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can you believe March is almost

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gone? It's done. And we're done.

2:15

It is. Already a quarter of

2:17

the way through the year. The

2:19

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2:22

of flying, we were just talking

2:24

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2:26

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2:28

getting to be time, Henry. Indeed

2:30

it is. It's Henry's one of

2:33

Henry's favorite time of year and

2:35

it's a game of Russian roulette

2:37

where he's gonna end up. Will

2:39

he lay to the airport he's

2:42

supposed to? Will he make it

2:44

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2:46

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2:51

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US is Henry May. Well guys

2:55

we got a good show tonight

2:57

it's been a couple weeks since

2:59

our last program where we talked

3:02

about shooting Big Flut and we

3:04

talked about Justin Smea and that

3:06

scenario. We're going to revisit that

3:08

again soon. What a great conversation

3:11

we had around that and if

3:13

you guys get a chance to

3:15

check back it's the last episode

3:17

we had. Not a subject we

3:20

tackled before. but we're probably going

3:22

to do it again at some

3:24

point in the near future. But

3:26

that was the past. Today's the

3:28

present. We got my good friend

3:31

Chuck Larson joining us. Chuck is

3:33

somebody I've rubbed elbows with at

3:35

many... conferences and conventions. He's just

3:37

an all-around good dude. I have

3:40

a lot of fun with Chuck.

3:42

He's also, you know, he usually

3:44

ends up going to dinner with

3:46

us, so he's always there for

3:49

those Fiasco's. And let us tell

3:51

you, we can eat. Yeah, but

3:53

has he ever paid for all

3:55

your dinners? No, thank God. Not

3:57

yet, not yet. We would not

4:00

want to do that to him,

4:02

because it's a big bill. It

4:04

screws up the rotation. Thanks for

4:06

taking the time we know you're

4:09

traveling. Thanks for taking the time

4:11

and coming on with us tonight

4:13

She did a little cameo on

4:15

there. Right. Yeah, and we're gonna,

4:18

right? Yep, Matt, yeah, we're gonna

4:20

talk about that, Chuck, because actually,

4:22

you know, you're, the one thing

4:24

I love about the Small Town

4:26

Monsters programs is that they put

4:29

on a lot of researchers that

4:31

folks aren't too familiar with. And

4:33

I found your segment on the

4:35

episode really interesting because I didn't

4:38

know how you got into this

4:40

and I didn't know you had

4:42

a sighting of something until I

4:44

watched that episode. So tell us

4:47

a little bit about how you

4:49

got involved with this and then

4:51

we can go into your sighting.

4:53

All right, well, I've got involved

4:55

in it. Well, I've always been

4:58

interested in Bigfoot, but when you

5:00

live an hour from Manhattan. you

5:02

know you get a lot more

5:04

lot of distraction you know they

5:07

come up especially in my 20s

5:09

you know I just you know

5:11

Bigfoot was like the last thing

5:13

on my mind but it was

5:16

like in the 70s when you

5:18

know you had the in search

5:20

of you had you know Steve

5:22

you know a six million dollar

5:24

man with Bigfoot you know under

5:27

a giant plane Bigfoot obviously you

5:29

know, Star Wars with Chubaka, you

5:31

know, there was always been a

5:33

cool, you know, just kind of

5:36

anomaly, just, you know, just be

5:38

interested in, and then we had,

5:40

like I mentioned in the Small

5:42

Town Monsters, there was actually an

5:45

incident in my county in the

5:47

late 70s, mid to late 70s,

5:49

when there was a tall hairy

5:51

beast that it decided to destroy

5:53

some families, rabbit pens, and that

5:56

kind of hit home, because that's

5:58

right around the time when the

6:00

Pattersonerson gimmon film was... was getting

6:02

a little bit of um you

6:05

know get a little bit of

6:07

pressure off he was 10 years

6:09

after the fact but you know

6:11

you always saw it on like

6:14

these different scientific shows and it

6:16

was kind of you know you

6:18

always thought okay that's less close

6:20

and I'll worry about it and

6:22

then this article pops up and

6:25

it's you know 20 minutes from

6:27

my house I'm like oh you

6:29

know so I have always been

6:31

interested in Bigfoot and I kind

6:34

of went away from it for

6:36

a while and then you know

6:38

just recently by five, six years

6:40

ago, seven years ago, I started

6:43

getting back into it. And now

6:45

my citing was, you know, like

6:47

I said, I can't confirm what

6:49

I saw. So like I said,

6:51

if it's just, I could just

6:54

use some, you know, deductive reasoning

6:56

and just, you know, like, well,

6:58

you know, it's not that, it's

7:00

not that. So I guess it's

7:03

this. I tried taking a picture,

7:05

but, you know, it kind of

7:07

ducked down for it could take

7:09

a picture, but basically I was

7:12

in, Northwest New Jersey, it's called

7:14

Wall Pack Inn. It's one of

7:16

my favorite restaurants. And basically it's

7:18

this beautiful rustic restaurant with like

7:20

a lot of windows, it overlooks

7:23

a pasture, and then the mountain

7:25

behind it, or as you say,

7:27

hill, because there's not really mountains

7:29

in New Jersey. The hill behind

7:32

it, the ridge is the Appalachian

7:34

Trail, or you know, leads to

7:36

the Appalachian Trail. So this one

7:38

night I was there with my

7:41

aunt, and it was in June.

7:43

I remember it was like the

7:45

first or second week in June

7:47

in June. It was hot, you

7:49

know, it was humid, hot and

7:52

humid. And I'm walking in. And

7:54

I'm basically going to repeat what

7:56

I said on the small town

7:58

monitors, but I'm walking into this

8:01

restaurant, I dropped my hand off

8:03

so she can get a table,

8:05

I parked the car because, you

8:07

know, the parking lot's like 15

8:10

football fields long, you know, so

8:12

it's massive. So, you know, I'm

8:14

walking back, I'm smoking at the

8:16

time, smoking cigarettes. And I see

8:18

these two couples, like older couples,

8:21

looking at each other, like, and

8:23

I'm thinking like, like, maybe the

8:25

fighting you made. Maybe someone's walked

8:27

out of the cat, you know,

8:30

something happened, so I'm kind of

8:32

curious. And I'm sitting there and

8:34

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8:36

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8:39

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it was humid, but there was

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no wind. There was nothing. There

9:43

was no like you. There's no

9:45

reason why this tree should be

9:48

getting, you know, falling down. And

9:50

it was weird because the tree.

9:52

The hill across the way from

9:54

the restaurant is like a 45

9:57

degree angle. if

10:00

it's going to fall down, gravity

10:02

should fall down the hill. You

10:04

know what I mean? This tree

10:06

fell sideways. You know, it was

10:08

kind of like, you know, to

10:10

the side. And I'm like, that's

10:12

kind of weird. And then you

10:14

hear like these heavy footballs going

10:16

up the hill. And I'm like,

10:18

well, I'm thinking, I'm like, well,

10:20

if those were rocks getting disturbed

10:22

by this tree, when they'd be

10:24

rolling down the hill with, you

10:26

know, with gravity. And it was

10:28

kind of weird. And

10:31

like I said, I was just

10:33

basically getting back into Bigfoot. Like,

10:35

I really didn't do much. You

10:38

know, I was watching, like, finding

10:40

Bigfoot and on TV and, you

10:42

know, I wasn't really doing any

10:44

research. I was just kind of

10:47

enjoying myself being a fanboy. So

10:49

why? We're at dinner and I'm

10:51

looking over, you know, out in

10:54

this beautiful pasture. And I see,

10:56

and, you know, this pasture's got,

10:58

like, like, tall grass. I'm

11:02

looking at it and it was

11:04

like an orange-brownish-looking, you know, it

11:06

was just, I don't know, what,

11:09

it looked like a guy in

11:11

a gilly suit. But I'm like,

11:13

why is there someone in a

11:15

gilly suit in June, you know

11:17

what I mean? It was something

11:19

season in the fall. So I'm

11:21

looking at it and I'm going

11:24

to reach for my phone so

11:26

I can take a picture and

11:28

as I'm, I should look down

11:30

to grab my phone and I

11:32

look back up. and it didn't,

11:34

you know, it didn't look like

11:36

a deer, it didn't have a

11:39

snout, it didn't look like a

11:41

black bear, because the black bears

11:43

are jet black in Jersey, as

11:45

I'm sure in Pennsylvania, you know,

11:47

there's no, there was no black,

11:49

nothing black about this. There wasn't

11:51

greenish pan, like gilly suit art,

11:53

it was like an orangeish, brownish,

11:56

you know, color. And I'm like,

11:58

you know, why would a hunter

12:00

be dressed like that and then

12:02

be crawling through this chicken fested

12:04

snake infested field? You know, I

12:06

mean, you know, 90 degree weather,

12:08

you know, I mean, with 90

12:11

degree, 90% humidity, that's just awful

12:13

terrible. Those are terrible. Yeah, that's

12:15

not going to be a comfortable,

12:17

a comfortable endeavor. No, so, but,

12:19

so, then I remember the tree

12:21

being, you know, the tree falling

12:23

down in the front, I'm like,

12:26

Oh, maybe this is, you know,

12:28

for the few things that I

12:30

did watch on TV and I

12:32

did the little research that I

12:34

did, I'm like, I don't mean,

12:36

that might be, you know, might

12:38

be, you know, Bigfoot. But like

12:41

I said, I can't confirm or

12:43

deny, but like I said, that's

12:45

the closest thing I've had to

12:47

a Class A sighting. So, but...

12:49

With all this happening, you know,

12:51

initially, did it come to your

12:53

mind that... You know, crap, I'm

12:56

experiencing a Bigfoot. Or did you

12:58

really have to think on it?

13:00

Like was your first thought Bigfoot?

13:02

Or was it like, man, this

13:04

is weird? It was weird. Like

13:06

I said, I was just getting

13:08

back into Bigfoot. So I could

13:10

have, you know, I was hoping

13:13

it was Bigfoot, you know, I

13:15

mean, like I said, because you're

13:17

always, you know, you know, but

13:19

my first thing was like, why

13:21

would there be someone, you know,

13:23

in a gilly suit? summer, you

13:25

know, and basically I have this

13:28

high crappy weather, you know what

13:30

I mean? That was my first

13:32

thing. And then where the heck

13:34

did he go after, after he,

13:36

you know, decided to like, you

13:38

know, why would you crawl through

13:40

these, you know, just walk out

13:43

and walk to go to the

13:45

parking lot, you know, I mean,

13:47

so, you know, like I said,

13:49

it was kind of close to

13:51

me. You know, I was starting

13:53

to do some investing with him.

13:55

So like it was on my

13:58

mind, but put that again, but

14:00

I'm like, you know, I'm still

14:02

like, yeah, well, I'm an hour

14:04

from Manhattan, you know. Yeah, this

14:06

can't be, this can't be happening,

14:08

so. So I have a question

14:10

for you Chuck. Do you assume

14:12

that the elderly couple that you

14:15

saw that was having this discussion,

14:17

was witnessing the same thing and

14:19

maybe saw more than what you

14:21

saw? Yeah, well, yeah, the two

14:23

couples, yeah, because I think they

14:25

were, I think they might have

14:27

heard something or they might have,

14:30

you know, something must have happened

14:32

because they were looking at each

14:34

other. with like the dump added

14:36

looks like someone said something rude

14:38

you know what I mean but

14:40

then they kept on looking across

14:42

the street to the to the

14:45

woods you know to this hell

14:47

right you know I mean that

14:49

was really heavily wooded so like

14:51

you said out there to grunt

14:53

out there like something you know

14:55

definitely was was off with you

14:57

know with all four of them

15:00

heard something you know what I

15:02

mean all right I came here

15:04

so I was, yeah, but like

15:06

I said, I didn't, that was

15:08

the last thing on my mind.

15:10

I'm thinking that every day or

15:12

day, they had a couple on

15:15

forward and they said something that's

15:17

better, you know? Yeah, I'm kind

15:19

of wondering what they saw or

15:21

heard that was a little bit

15:23

more encompassing to what you witnessed.

15:25

I'm assuming it must have maybe

15:27

like a guttural growl or must

15:29

have been something that would have

15:32

shot them, you know what I

15:34

mean? Like, you know, I don't

15:36

think it would have been a

15:38

wood knock because, you know, you

15:40

hear, you know, you're, you know,

15:42

trees, you know, you know, branches

15:44

hitting each other all the time.

15:47

I mean, I think it might

15:49

have been maybe like a gun

15:51

roll, you know, just grunt or

15:53

something that would, you know, kind

15:55

of, because they, they look like,

15:57

it might have been. No, I

15:59

think you make a good point

16:02

on that. You know, I think

16:04

a wood-knocked, anybody else besides us,

16:06

would just be a... Right. You

16:08

wouldn't really put a lot of

16:10

thought into it. But it had

16:12

to have been something that caught

16:14

their attention. Did you go up

16:17

to them at all? Did you

16:19

like, man, I don't want to

16:21

weird these people out. I, you

16:23

know, like I said, I was

16:25

a little more into, you know,

16:27

into Bigfoot and had a little

16:29

more knowledge of investigations. I might

16:32

have gone up and started questioning

16:34

them. That's the small town boy

16:36

in me there Chuck, you know,

16:38

I'll go up and talk to

16:40

anybody. I will too, but it's

16:42

like, but then also because then

16:44

you gotta be worried about getting

16:46

maste or like, you know, no,

16:49

that's true. Yeah. So, but like

16:51

I said, if I was a

16:53

little more knowledgeable and a little

16:55

more like, you know, if I

16:57

had maybe a year or two

16:59

in, you know, of investigations in

17:01

in in me, then yeah, I

17:04

probably would have been questioned them.

17:06

Like I was just like fresh.

17:08

I was like maybe two months

17:10

into it, you know what I

17:12

mean? So, like, right? Yeah, I

17:14

didn't know what the hell was

17:16

either, so. Baker's got a great

17:19

list of convo starters if you

17:21

need them for, uh... Hi, I

17:23

don't got any more. Bring him,

17:25

bring him to the office. He'll

17:27

bring you all his lines to

17:29

get some time. Hey, hey, hey,

17:31

honey, did you see that hairy

17:34

thing? I saw you guys looking

17:36

across the, looking at me from

17:38

across the thing. And we just

17:40

went down the toilet. We're gonna

17:42

have to call him the Rizz

17:44

here. You know, no one's got

17:46

charisma like James Baker. He's got

17:48

him. He's got him. He's got

17:51

him. So you were, you know,

17:53

you said you had these, these

17:55

stories happening in the, like around

17:57

the Paters and Gimlin time. And

17:59

you know what's interesting about that

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18:55

a lot of reports still coming

18:57

through chickens, rabbits, small livestock that

18:59

are even Gwen, you know, our

19:01

good friend Gwen has been on

19:03

the program. Something's always harassing her

19:05

chickens. You know, do you think

19:08

there's merit in trying to find

19:10

some way to capture some, I

19:12

mean, it would be gory if

19:14

it is, and I'm not saying

19:16

we use sacrificial chickens, you know,

19:18

but is there merit like a

19:20

camera trap around some of these?

19:23

some of these dens or areas

19:25

or I don't want to call

19:27

them corrals but you know I

19:29

think so I mean especially in

19:31

areas that are more populated like

19:33

you know like New Jersey where

19:35

you know there's not that much

19:38

space for a big food sash

19:40

wash or a family of them

19:42

to sustain you know a living

19:44

you know like sustained food you

19:46

know I mean it's you know

19:48

obviously if there's hundreds and thousands

19:50

of acres millions of acres and

19:53

yeah you probably yeah you probably

19:55

want to it but if there's

19:57

a bunch of farms you know

19:59

that are like lining where the

20:01

Appalachian Trail is or where you

20:03

know these protected lands are I

20:05

think that would definitely definitely be

20:08

a but then but then you

20:10

get the people saying well well

20:12

they don't you know they don't

20:14

go close to cameras or they

20:16

know where a camera is and

20:18

they stay away from you know

20:20

what we don't know that's always

20:22

people's opinion. I mean how we've

20:25

talked about that many times right

20:27

you even with all the presentations

20:29

you and I have emceed and

20:31

stood by you know we talk

20:33

about that a lot and I

20:35

think even as researchers we use

20:37

that but you know at the

20:40

end of the day Roger Patterson

20:42

and Bob Gimmon may have got

20:44

one on film you know. But

20:46

you know when you go into

20:48

that a little bit more and

20:50

Vance and I have talked about

20:52

this an awful lot with the

20:55

Sierra sounds wasn't because they weren't

20:57

using digital equipment. It was analog

20:59

equipment so it's not you know

21:01

the noise is different noise. You

21:03

know we don't know it's just

21:05

all things that we. You know,

21:07

I guess we could call it

21:10

supposition at that point assumptions, right?

21:12

But I think it's a good

21:14

place to start and Vance and

21:16

I have kind of thought about

21:18

Incorporating that into some of the

21:20

research we do I know Brett

21:22

and I have talked about it

21:25

up there Chuck in the as

21:27

we start You know our research

21:29

area which spans across the entire

21:31

northern part of the state into

21:33

your neck of the woods I

21:35

think it'd be worth trying. If

21:37

we get enough of us out

21:39

there with some analog equipment, but

21:42

we're going to be going to

21:44

change a lot of tape. If

21:46

you can get tape, can you

21:48

get tape anymore? That's kind of

21:50

hard to find, but you know,

21:52

like Sean just said, we've had

21:54

these conversations where it seems though

21:57

that non-digital seems to be far

21:59

more successful than the You know,

22:01

our analog seems to be far

22:03

more successful in capture. any kind

22:05

of evidence over digital. And I'm

22:07

gonna kind of stay with that

22:09

because it seems to be the

22:12

case. Well it could be the

22:14

way that it processes too because

22:16

analog has a larger waveform where

22:18

digital cuts it off. the top

22:20

and the bottom to make the

22:22

wave, which can adjust how you

22:24

hear things. Those like MP3s aren't

22:27

the best, if you really want

22:29

a solid listen of what actually

22:31

went on, a record player actually

22:33

does better than a CD player.

22:35

Right. You know, that's a good

22:37

point. Yeah, no, that's a good

22:39

point. No, and I

22:42

give you that Go ahead

22:44

Vance. I'm sorry. I'm just

22:46

trying to know I was

22:48

just gonna say I'll give

22:50

James that You know depending

22:52

on the technology of data

22:54

recording It seems to me

22:56

that some of the older

22:58

Technology seems to be more

23:00

significant in capturing than newer

23:02

technology Well, you lose quality

23:05

for data space. If you

23:07

can, you know, so in

23:09

other words, you can get

23:11

more songs on something, but

23:13

you lose quality unless you're

23:15

like talking about a DVD,

23:17

like a VHS tape compared

23:19

to a Blu-ray. There's a

23:21

lot more work into that,

23:23

you know, to get them

23:26

into the different conversion rates.

23:28

But if you honestly heard,

23:30

let's say, well, we'll take

23:32

Pirates of the Caribbean. If

23:34

you, if you heard the

23:36

song, on a blue ray

23:38

before it was enhanced, it

23:40

actually would sound better on

23:42

a VHS tape because of

23:44

the way the system works.

23:46

Okay. Food for thought. Sorry,

23:49

I used to work a

23:51

radio check. No, no. That's

23:53

why I take your opinion

23:55

as gold. Liquid gold. We

23:57

got extra money if you

23:59

took tests. How big the

24:01

area was where he saw

24:03

this thing? Okay, yeah, are

24:05

you still there with us?

24:07

I'm here. What question did

24:09

you have for Chuck? Well,

24:12

I don't know if I

24:14

caught what you hear this

24:16

was and how big the

24:18

area was where he saw

24:20

this thing. Okay, yeah, it

24:22

was, it's got me like

24:24

five, six years ago now,

24:26

so it's probably right up.

24:31

Was it right after COVID? No,

24:33

it was probably right before COVID,

24:35

right before COVID, because everyone wasn't,

24:37

we weren't all masked up and

24:39

we were actually able to go

24:42

out and have a good time.

24:44

And it was, where it was

24:46

is, it's right next to New

24:48

Jersey, we have High Point State

24:50

Park, we have Stoke State Forest,

24:52

and that goes into the Delaware

24:55

Water Gap national recreation area. there's

24:57

probably about 90,000 square, trying to

24:59

think acres. And so it's, you

25:01

know, not a massive area, but,

25:03

you know, for New Jersey, it's

25:05

probably one of the largest, you

25:08

know, protected areas we have. So,

25:10

and, you know, it borders right

25:12

up on the Delaware River, like

25:14

you said, it does have the

25:16

Appalachian shell running through it. But

25:18

yeah, so it was by around,

25:21

it was inside of this area,

25:23

or right next to this area

25:25

that's probably about. you know, in

25:27

total by 90,000 square acres. I

25:29

think, you know, New Jersey kind

25:31

of gets the same rap that

25:34

Pennsylvania and New York does. They

25:36

only think about the big cities.

25:38

They don't think about the rule

25:40

and the wooded areas that encompass,

25:42

you know, you know, great part

25:44

of Pennsylvania, but a decent part

25:47

of New Jersey and an upstate

25:49

New York, you know, and that's

25:51

why I think there's such a

25:53

rich pool of sightings in those.

25:55

areas and some that we we

25:57

don't get. I also wonder Chuck

26:00

and you've been doing this research

26:02

now for a little while and

26:04

going out and being part of

26:06

different groups. How many reports from

26:08

New Jersey, New York are out

26:10

there that nobody's talked about yet?

26:13

What's your thoughts on that? Do

26:15

you think there's a lot more

26:17

out there that people haven't reported?

26:19

Yeah, I definitely do, especially up

26:21

where I'm in in Sussex County,

26:23

which is a lot of the

26:26

adult order gap recreation area.

26:28

is there's a lot of, and I

26:30

said this in the, in the, in

26:32

the, you know, in Alex's show, but

26:35

I said, we're very conservative up there

26:37

and politically, yes, but people just, they

26:39

keep to themselves, you know, I mean,

26:41

like they don't want people showing up

26:44

at the doorstep, you know, if something

26:46

happens in their, you know, on their

26:48

property, they're not telling

26:50

everyone, they're gonna keep to

26:52

themselves. I mean, I've heard

26:54

stories, numerous stories of pig

26:57

farmersers. and different farmers that

26:59

have had something culinary, you

27:01

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27:39

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27:41

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27:43

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27:46

all right, you know what I mean?

27:48

And so it's like that. And you

27:50

know, so I think there's a lot

27:52

more sightings that people

27:55

just haven't mentioned. And

27:57

you know, go ahead.

27:59

No, Chuck, I was just

28:01

going to say I heard what

28:03

a week and a half ago

28:06

that there were wildfires in the

28:08

pine bearings. Yep. And I'm wondering

28:10

what that may have stirred up.

28:12

Yeah, well, Tommy, a pine barn.

28:15

That's a whole other monster down

28:17

there. That's, you know, there's big

28:19

foot ties down there that's actually,

28:21

that's Jersey Devils territory down there.

28:24

But yeah, there's. that

28:26

it's you know whatever whatever's down there

28:28

it probably pushed it into you know

28:31

I'm sure that you'll you'll probably hear

28:33

some more sightings pop up you know

28:35

and like you know a couple months

28:37

maybe a year from now people are

28:40

more comfortable with it that they'll you

28:42

know yeah I was in my backyard

28:44

that's all this thing running in this

28:47

line you know it's getting pushed out

28:49

of where it's you know where it

28:51

lives but I'm sure you know with

28:53

all the wildfires going on in out

28:56

west to last year last year and

28:58

you know recently, you're going to be

29:00

hearing a lot more of that too.

29:02

Right, well, you know, I wondered, I

29:05

wondered why we haven't heard as much,

29:07

and I thought... we would be a

29:09

buzz with it and either folks are

29:11

you know really dealing with their own

29:14

traumas and you know Bigfoot's not the

29:16

thing you're thinking of you know because

29:18

a lot of people lost a lot

29:21

of homes and we lost out of

29:23

acreage but you know and I think

29:25

inevitably we will start getting some reports

29:27

of some of the stranger things that

29:30

may have occurred during that time and

29:32

even maybe up in the pine bearings

29:34

too Chuck but one of the things

29:36

I want to appreciate that you said

29:39

And you made it pretty clear what

29:41

you meant was when we talk about

29:43

conservative areas of the state we talk

29:45

about Just exactly what you said those

29:48

hunters outdoorsmen That it's not a political

29:50

affiliation by what we mean. It's a

29:52

lifestyle affiliation No, like the folks that

29:54

really keep to themselves and they don't

29:57

want that way of life intruded upon

29:59

and it's very prevalent in these areas

30:01

still you know maybe almost like a

30:04

more of a midwestern mentality chuck i

30:06

would say with the way they protect

30:08

the hunting and the fishing and I

30:10

think that's very important for people to

30:13

understand why some of these areas where

30:15

we have a lot of reports that

30:17

just don't get reported. Yep. People don't

30:19

want to be known as they don't

30:22

want to be known as the crazy

30:24

neighbors or they don't be known as

30:26

this and I mean they just, you

30:28

know, that's not. Yeah, I'll get it.

30:31

Because you know, you're kicked out of

30:33

the hunting club. Exactly. They don't want

30:35

people, and they don't want people in

30:38

their hunting, you know, fishing in their

30:40

streams. I mean, they found a nice

30:42

honeyhole. I don't want to bring people

30:44

to there. Nope, no, absolutely. Go ahead,

30:47

Vance, you're going to say something I

30:49

stepped on. No, I really wasn't. I

30:51

was just in total agreement with. what

30:53

he was saying that yeah i don't

30:56

think uh... you're you're not included anymore

30:58

we go ahead and take that minute

31:00

our break uh... give everybody a chance

31:02

to stretch their legs smoking if you

31:05

got them and folks you were listening

31:07

to saswatch experience shon forker vans and

31:09

has been henry may with our guest

31:12

tonight chuck lorsen we'll be back right

31:14

after this stay tuned stay tuned Hey,

31:25

this occurred to me today.

31:27

ID, ID, which I

31:29

had to show to you,

31:32

this is a strange

31:34

abbreviation when you think about

31:36

it. I is short for

31:39

I. And then D

31:41

is short for dentification. They

31:49

could have split that on

31:51

it so bad, you know?

31:54

Ah yes, well, you know,

31:56

the proper pronoun for identification

31:58

is miss. Miss. identification. I

32:01

did not need to explain

32:03

that to you. I know

32:06

you're all smart enough to

32:08

have figured that one out.

32:10

Well, happy last day of

32:13

March to you all. I

32:15

hope you're having a wonderful

32:17

springtime and surviving severe storms,

32:20

which seems to be quite

32:22

often this time of year.

32:25

But speaking of misidentification, during

32:27

a recent National Weather Service

32:29

investigation into damage caused by

32:32

severe weather, something unusual was

32:34

spotted beyond a fallen tree.

32:36

The appearance of what many

32:39

referred to as Bigfoot. The

32:41

sighting occurred in Fayette County

32:44

Pennsylvania, an area nestled with

32:46

hills and higher terrain of

32:48

the Allegheny Mountains north of

32:51

West Virginia. The figure appeared

32:53

to be human-sized, if not

32:55

larger, as it walked through

32:58

the wooded landscape. But according

33:00

to the National Weather Service

33:02

meteorologist, there is no need

33:05

to worry as to what

33:07

was spotted was likely something

33:10

purposely staged to add a

33:12

bit of fun to people's

33:14

lives. Locals said it's rather

33:17

common for residents to create

33:19

figures out of iron or

33:21

similar materials, either for decoration

33:24

or to spark the curiosity

33:26

from passer-byes. Now while the

33:29

recent sightings may not have

33:31

been an actual living creature,

33:33

there had been historical reports

33:36

of similar-sized entities. in the

33:38

region. According to the Pennsylvania

33:40

Bigfoot Society, back in 1977,

33:43

a family driving along a

33:45

dark stretch of road spotted

33:48

a six-foot tall figure covered

33:50

in shaggy reddish brown hair

33:52

when they shine their headlights

33:55

on it. The creature reportedly

33:57

disappeared over a 40-foot embankment

33:59

never to be seen again.

34:02

And in 2004, in nearby

34:04

Green County, two friends reported

34:07

seeing a seven-foot tall creature

34:09

making cat-like noises during their

34:11

bike ride. And in 2013,

34:14

a man reported seeing an

34:16

eight-foot tall creature with caveman-like

34:18

features in the far distance.

34:21

According to the BFO, Pennsylvania

34:23

is often a hot spot

34:25

for sightings and ranks in

34:28

the top 10 of states

34:30

with the most reports. The

34:33

earliest reports of Sasquatch sightings

34:35

date back to at least

34:37

the 1800s, according to the

34:40

state of Washington. Many of

34:42

these early cases lacked photos

34:44

or video. Wait, there was

34:47

no video back in the

34:49

1800s? Oh, come on, that's

34:52

just as fascinating as a

34:54

Bigfoot itself. So they were

34:56

often dismissed as misunderstandings or

34:59

gags. Advancements in technology have

35:01

led to numerous modern sightings

35:03

captured on video or in

35:06

photos fueling ongoing debate about

35:08

the existence of these creatures.

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37:35

as your car seat always says

37:38

to your ass and Keep your

37:40

toes in the mind. Thanks, Vance,

37:42

even though the camera has moved.

37:44

Oh, Sean. I don't know what

37:46

the hell it was doing. I

37:49

was waiting for it to come

37:51

back live. Anyhow, welcome back folks.

37:53

Ask what you experienced Sean Forker,

37:55

Vince, Nesbitt, Chuck Larson, Henry May,

37:57

James Baker is being cock blocked

38:00

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38:02

going to be with us. The

38:04

train hit him. He got hit

38:06

by a train. Anyhow. Vance, thank

38:09

you for the big football this

38:11

week. Appreciate that. Not only is

38:13

Vance available for rent he is

38:15

full of dad jokes, so reach

38:17

out to Vance Nesbitt for your

38:20

all your event narration needs but

38:22

before we went to break we

38:24

were talking with Chuck about his

38:26

Bigfoot sighting he had in Jersey

38:28

about six years ago and we

38:31

were just getting into some of

38:33

the other things that he's been

38:35

involved with. So Chuck, some, you

38:37

joined the CARC. Oh, you can

38:40

talk about that. You founded it.

38:42

So talk about that a little

38:44

bit. How did that come about

38:46

it? One of the founders. Well,

38:48

the person that I want to

38:51

mention before, I was in that

38:53

group with a guy with Brendan

38:55

Brown, Sean Wagner. just got to

38:57

a point where we're like, yeah,

39:00

we need to separate and we

39:02

decided to start our own group.

39:04

And I live in New Jersey,

39:06

Shaw lives in Pennsylvania and Brenda

39:08

lives in the Catskills, so that's

39:11

the Catskill Appellation Research Collective was

39:13

born. And then the first move

39:15

we made was getting Mike Lucci,

39:17

who's who I do the Bigfoot

39:19

Journal with, he's the host of

39:22

the Bigfoot Journal, but he's the

39:24

host of the Bigfoot Journal. He's

39:26

a great investigator, so we got

39:28

him on board and then obviously

39:31

through Sean, we had, you know,

39:33

Gwen, you, Gwen is a part

39:35

of the Catholic Research Collective, and

39:37

it's, you know, now it's just

39:39

basically, Gwen's basically running it, she's,

39:42

you know, she's, you know, she's,

39:44

you know, she's, you know, she's,

39:46

you know, she's, you know, she's,

39:48

you know, she's, you know, she's,

39:50

you know, not be part of

39:53

it anymore, which is like, you

39:55

know, you know, You know, it's

39:57

like the town with the town

39:59

of Plano investigating and doing their

40:02

stuff. Yeah, so it's yeah, so

40:04

I am one of the founders

40:06

of that group and yeah, we

40:08

started out small and you know,

40:10

we've been growing and, you know,

40:13

it's like the town with the

40:15

town of Mike and, you know,

40:17

with the town of Plano investigating

40:19

and doing their stuff. You know,

40:21

it's, we've grown and we've had

40:24

some pretty good, evidence we you

40:26

know we we did a investigation

40:28

out in Allegheny we actually were

40:30

gonna do it in the New

40:33

York side in Allegheny State Park

40:35

but we ended up in that

40:37

Allegheny National Forest in Pennsylvania and

40:39

we got these the sugar run

40:41

house which is Brendan who's you

40:44

know one of the founders he

40:46

was awesome with video editing and

40:48

he was awesome with just I

40:50

don't know if ever saw that

40:53

our show this week in Bigfoot.

40:55

You know, he did all the

40:57

video, I think, for that, and

40:59

he's just amazing. So we put

41:01

this, we have like his 12

41:04

minute little docu movie or docu,

41:06

docu thing, and we're called the

41:08

Sugar Run House, and we sent

41:10

them out to David Ellis, out

41:12

in the Olympic Project, and he

41:15

put them through the spectrograph, or

41:17

the other thing he's got, and

41:19

he came back, he's like, listen,

41:21

yeah, we don't know what this

41:24

is. Oh, and there's two of

41:26

of them. Yeah, we got two

41:28

different houses. Yeah, we got two

41:30

different houses. and you know, thanks

41:32

to you, Chuck, that you, you

41:35

know, we were supposed to be

41:37

in New York State, like you

41:39

said, which they started to go

41:41

to Pennsylvania, so it worked out.

41:43

Well, it's really interesting, Chuck, because

41:46

that whole area has a lot

41:48

of rich history. Yes, it does.

41:50

And, you know, thanks to you,

41:52

Chuck, you know, went to Ellis

41:55

to send that information to, because,

41:57

man, I'm telling you that guy...

41:59

He is spot on. He is

42:01

so spot on to identify what

42:03

is already a known creature and

42:06

what is throwing the arms up

42:08

the air to say, I don't

42:10

know what that is. Yeah, I

42:12

don't have it, yeah. And it

42:14

was actually, he made like a,

42:17

you know, he made an official

42:19

statement, we had like a letter

42:21

from it, it was, it was

42:23

really cool. It was really nice

42:26

for him to take the time,

42:28

you know, because I'm sure he's

42:30

getting a little. houses of people

42:32

like what is this what I

42:34

mean so you know the fact

42:37

that he helped this out was

42:39

uh was pretty cold and uh

42:41

no yeah we were initially we

42:43

were initially like we were investigations

42:46

and productions and now like I

42:48

said we're hopefully this spring I

42:50

lost like 70 pounds so we're

42:52

gonna be a little a little

42:54

bit more more spry in the

42:57

woods I used to the red

42:59

going in the woods because I

43:01

was just like a disaster. It

43:03

was like a fricking the train

43:05

wreck in the woods, but now

43:08

I think it'll be a little

43:10

more spry and not have to

43:12

stop every 15 seconds to a

43:14

breeze. So I'm hoping to get

43:17

out and do some more of

43:19

boots on the ground investigation. And

43:21

you know, go into New Jersey

43:23

and Pennsylvania where and obviously, you

43:25

know, if we have the opportunity

43:28

to go to Allegani, yeah, we're

43:30

going to Salt Fork and do

43:32

that, you know, go to some

43:34

of the hot spots. But I

43:36

told some of the hot spots,

43:39

but I told some of the

43:41

like, but I told some of

43:43

the like, but I told some

43:45

of the like, like, like, like,

43:48

like, like, like, like, like, like,

43:50

like, like, like, like, you know,

43:52

and then see what we can

43:54

find here, because Mike lives in

43:56

Westchester County, which... and you know,

43:59

just north of the Bronx. And,

44:01

you know, so I'm like, let's,

44:03

let's own this area and try

44:05

to, you know, prove that, that

44:08

lives here. Or it doesn't live here,

44:10

but I'm, I'm assuming it a vacation

44:12

to New Jersey. Oh, I get it.

44:14

Yeah, I hope we have a, yeah,

44:16

go ahead. That's Matt, nice philosophy, you

44:18

know, that's why we've put so much

44:20

emphasis on where we're at. is it's

44:22

not a heavily trafficked area right not

44:25

a whole lot of history that people

44:27

know about but it's an area we

44:29

feel like we can work we can

44:31

get too quickly if we need to

44:33

and you know build something from it

44:35

so I respect the thought that you

44:37

have their own area and when you

44:39

don't broadcast it out everybody you know

44:42

it makes it a little easier too

44:44

you can you can kind of keep

44:46

it a little bit more pure and

44:48

That's really important too. I think we

44:50

just ran into the situation with a

44:52

investigation. Matt and I were going to

44:54

really get involved in Chuck and we

44:57

started making plans to get out there,

44:59

contacted the witness, go to go out

45:01

with the witness, and then the next

45:03

thing you know the whole area is

45:05

posted all over the internet from another

45:07

research group and that you know now

45:09

all of a sudden I'm not interested

45:11

in going. No, you can't,

45:13

you know, and it's like, you know,

45:16

we went up to Whitehall a couple

45:18

years ago and, you know, like, oh,

45:20

you want to go investigate him? Like,

45:22

you know, you're going to investigate

45:24

up there during a festival or

45:26

after or right after or right

45:28

before a vessel. There's going to be

45:31

so many people in the woods

45:33

there, you know, you know,

45:35

you just get such an

45:37

influx of people from from

45:39

the city and just moved

45:41

down below that... You know,

45:43

it's not even worth it

45:46

to do investigating after Memorial

45:48

Day. I mean, you have

45:50

to wait until the fall.

45:53

Yeah, you have to wait.

45:55

You know, you have to

45:58

wait for you. show up

46:00

in that area. I don't think you're

46:02

gonna get a whole lot of activity,

46:04

especially during the conference, but yeah, I

46:06

just don't know that that's gonna happen.

46:08

It's neat to go to those areas

46:11

so you can kind of connect with

46:13

them. You get those areas into your

46:15

mental frame and your mental picture. But

46:17

to go out there and really think

46:19

you're going to get any kind of...

46:21

Evidence or have any kind of encounter

46:23

is just very slim to none maybe

46:25

years ago before the Salt the East

46:28

Ohio Bigfoot Conference became so big like

46:30

it was just a couple hundred you

46:32

know maybe a hundred people that would

46:34

attend it maybe now I mean if

46:36

you've been to OBC and you know

46:38

all of us have been to at

46:40

least one here and if you're a

46:42

listener you've probably been if you've not

46:44

it is literally like a Comic-Con for

46:47

Bigfoot at this point it's huge Yeah,

46:49

when I told you when I was,

46:51

you know, in my 20s, I kind

46:53

of got, you know, you're there, and

46:55

you're, you know, and I saw you,

46:57

because I, I, I kicked myself. I

46:59

always say, I'm sorry. Go ahead. Go

47:01

ahead. I always say it's our West

47:03

Romania. It is. Absolutely. But, yeah, when

47:06

I told you when I was, you

47:08

know, in my 20s, I kind of

47:10

got away from the whole. Bigfoot thing

47:12

and I'm kicking myself because when I

47:14

was like 25 or 26 I was

47:16

working at a private school and I

47:18

was able to have like a few

47:20

weeks off in the summertime because the

47:22

school closed down and a buddy of

47:25

mine drove across country you know he

47:27

was up and it's just you know

47:29

I'll try to make this short sweep

47:31

but he basically he wanted to get

47:33

on TV as a reporter so he

47:35

made 28 tapes of him doing news

47:37

reports so he basically drove to like

47:39

Denver and all these different cities out

47:41

west. and we stopped off, you know,

47:44

we'd be like, we'd pull to a

47:46

town, we'd see a TV station, he'd

47:48

pop in for like 15 minutes, he

47:50

got an interview, we got an interview,

47:52

we got an interview, not. We moved

47:54

on. I remember we went over the,

47:56

we went over the, we camped the

47:58

Big Sur, we took the PCA job

48:01

to Eureka, and we took that right

48:03

because this family lived in Mount Shasta,

48:05

and we drove right through Willow Creek.

48:07

We probably drove right over like what

48:09

a Bluff Creek was, and I'm like,

48:11

man, I should have stopped just at

48:13

least, you know, taking the picture with

48:15

the Bigfoot or something, you know what

48:17

I mean? and it's like you know

48:20

but that area that you know just

48:22

to bring it full circle that area

48:24

is probably you probably can't go there

48:26

ever angle big footing because it's just

48:28

there's so many enthusiasts that are there

48:30

year-round because the weather's nice all year-round

48:32

you know you got to wait till

48:34

it dies down a little bit again

48:36

Chuck when the Bigfoot mania tends to

48:39

start rolling back and It becomes a

48:41

little bit more for the researchers again

48:43

not the publicity and the I guess

48:45

the fanfare around it which is okay

48:47

I mean it keeps things like us

48:49

in business like I don't begrudge anybody

48:51

having fun with it I really don't

48:53

because it brings attention to the subject

48:55

which is important but if you're doing

48:58

it from a research perspective makes a

49:00

big difference and for your intentions. Yeah,

49:02

I think it's good. It's even been

49:04

growing even more now in pop culture.

49:06

I mean, look, you got Mountain Dew

49:08

commercials with these. Yeah, he's playing kickball,

49:10

you know, I mean, obviously Jack Links,

49:12

you know, you know, back in the

49:14

70s, the Bigfoot, the, the, the, the,

49:17

the, the, the, the, the, the, the,

49:19

the, the, the, the, the, the, the,

49:21

the, the, monster truck, we can do

49:23

it. So we do it. are more

49:25

open to the fact that there could

49:27

be something out there. They know, they

49:29

just don't pass it off as, you

49:31

know, we're all nuts. You know, right?

49:34

Couple of my friends think I'm a

49:36

flat earthier because they're, you know, because

49:38

I believe Bigfoot. So I might remember

49:40

my family members think I'm, you know,

49:42

wacky. You know, people I can really

49:44

talk to about. with my family to

49:46

Bigfoot is my 11 year old nephew

49:48

or 10 year old nephew. I mean,

49:50

it's about it, yeah, everywhere else think

49:53

I'm nuts. But then, yet again, but

49:55

then no one wants to come into

49:57

the woods and go looking for Bigfoot

49:59

though. So, Chuck, I have taken a

50:01

lot of people that would dismiss it

50:03

and make a joke out of it

50:05

and turn them into people that will

50:07

at least entertain the possibility. you know,

50:09

it's having them sit down and well

50:12

you and I have emceed together at

50:14

the Central Pennsylvania Big, you know, Bigfoot

50:16

encrypted festival coming up again this August

50:18

cheap plug, but you know, you do

50:20

it, you doing, you, you emcee again?

50:22

Again, yep. You know, if you need

50:24

help, brother, let me know. I'll be

50:26

there. You know, I always need help.

50:28

It's, I, it's hot in that building,

50:31

but they're, they're, they're putting air conditioning

50:33

in that. a whole new system in

50:35

there and everything. It'll be, I think

50:37

it's gonna be, yeah. Guys, it's a

50:39

great event, but it is hotter than

50:41

hell in there. It is often, it

50:43

is, I mean, but it's great because

50:45

one of the things we don't get

50:47

is, in fact, all the times we've

50:50

been there, Chuck, we've not had one

50:52

heckler. No. We've had, go ahead. They

50:54

spend them, they spend them, they spend

50:56

them, I go in a minute, they,

50:58

they spend them, they spend them, they

51:00

spend them, they spend, they spend, they

51:02

spend, they spend, they spend, they spend,

51:04

they spend, and they spend, they spend,

51:07

they spend, they spend, and they spend,

51:09

and they spend, and they spend, and

51:11

they spend, and they spend, and they

51:13

spend, and they spend, and they spend,

51:15

and they spend, and they spend, and

51:17

they spend, and they spend, and they

51:19

spend, and they spend, and they spend,

51:21

and they spend, you know, but it's

51:23

the area too, because I think there's

51:26

a lot of people in the area

51:28

that probably had something happen to them,

51:30

or you know what I mean? And

51:32

they're, uh, it's building. Well, that's right

51:34

by the Susquehanna, and you know, the

51:36

North or South, it has the, um,

51:38

the Albuquerque. South down in the Columbia

51:40

PA. Yeah, I go to that now

51:42

pretty religiously. But to your point, you

51:45

know, that's another area of Pennsylvania that

51:47

didn't historically have a lot of sightings.

51:49

And it's an area I spent a

51:51

lot of time researching and investigating. You

51:53

know, I just do little presentations in

51:55

towns like Catawissa. I had one in

51:57

October that had a decent turnout where

51:59

folks are people that you wouldn't think

52:01

would be interested in the subject or

52:04

people that would You know, people that

52:06

you would think would probably be more

52:08

along the lines of hecklers that really

52:10

have a lot of questions. And they

52:12

don't come to you until after the

52:14

event when you're packing up. That's when

52:16

they go to your side and ask

52:18

you, say, hey, do you mind if

52:20

I tell you the story or, and

52:23

that's what's cool about what we do.

52:25

Because if you're bold enough to stand

52:27

up in the room and tell everybody,

52:29

somebody comes to find you. You'll see

52:31

like their hairs there standing up on

52:33

their arms or their eyes start to

52:35

water and you know, you're like, you

52:37

can't fake that, you know what I

52:39

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the cats that finding Bigfoots, you know,

53:07

or one of the people like experts,

53:09

you know, and someone's coming up, you

53:11

know, I'm not that person. I'm just

53:13

the guy that was either I'm seeing

53:15

or just had a big for shirt

53:18

on and they want to talk to

53:20

talk to talk to talk to you

53:22

about it, you about it, you know,

53:24

you know, you know, you know, you

53:26

know. Yeah, because they tell they want

53:28

to get it off their chest. Right.

53:30

You know what I mean? And they

53:32

want to know that that's too crazy.

53:34

Right. You get that air credibility about

53:37

you when you talk to folks, you

53:39

know, in a comfort that they build

53:41

a rapport that's built, you know, one

53:43

of the people that I credit a

53:45

lot to helping get the... Word out

53:47

about this in our area is Craig

53:49

Long the magistrate and Catawissa, you know,

53:51

Columbia County and when you have somebody

53:53

who's a judge You know a magistrate

53:56

judge that is willing to put his

53:58

stamp on this and talk about it

54:00

entertain it That's pretty special You know

54:02

it's and and I think the work

54:04

that we do you know you're doing

54:06

investigate you guys have investigated that area

54:08

out in that part of Pennsylvania you've

54:10

got Gwen out there you know you've

54:12

hit some of these really popular spots

54:15

you know the A&F is just a

54:17

stones throw for where I had my

54:19

encounter so like You know, you're getting

54:21

the boots on the ground in the

54:23

right areas and if there's a place

54:25

you could go that you haven't gone

54:27

to research yet What's on your research

54:29

list of the place you have to

54:32

go? Chuck, where's your have to go

54:34

place? I'd like to get up to

54:36

I'd like to get up to the

54:38

Olympic Peninsula I'd like to get down

54:40

to like kind of like where Lyle

54:42

is down to like the Texarkana area

54:45

and then maybe down into where our

54:47

RPG is down in Florida down there.

54:50

Mm-hmm. And it's Watchwatches too where they

54:52

are too in Western North Carolina? You

54:54

know what's going on to me from

54:57

those areas Chuck? What's that? Snakes. Yeah

54:59

we know Sean like snakes. Yeah we

55:01

got station Jersey too in Pennsylvania though.

55:03

Yeah the area that Matt and I

55:06

do our research in... Chuck has the

55:08

highest concentrations of rattlesnakes and boom so

55:10

well luckily the luckily they have rattle

55:13

though right operate you watch out for

55:15

yeah I got a story for you

55:17

about a copperhead someday that will in

55:20

person yeah I know the story and

55:22

it's fun Vance Henry you guys got

55:24

questions for him My only question is,

55:27

and I don't think it's even so

55:29

much a question, is the welcoming of

55:31

your intelligence and your knowledge into this

55:33

whole community, looking at it in the

55:36

same perspective that we all look at

55:38

it as. So, you know, thumbs up

55:40

to you. I think that's fantastic that

55:43

you're looking at all of this in

55:45

the same perspective. Is this a real

55:47

entity or is this a hoax entity?

55:50

And that's how I see that you're

55:52

looking at this at. And I greatly

55:54

appreciate it. Absolutely. You got to go

55:57

in being humble. You know what I

55:59

mean? and you gotta listen to everyone's

56:01

experiences, you gotta listen to both sides,

56:03

you know, every side of the, you

56:06

know, it's a blushing blood, is it

56:08

alien, is it, you know, I mean,

56:10

you know, because we really don't know,

56:13

you know, and technically, you know, obviously

56:15

there's no experts in this field, there's

56:17

experts in how to research and there's

56:20

experts, you know, different thing, but there's

56:22

no real experts in the actual... Yeah,

56:24

there's three sides to every story. There's

56:27

their's their behalf. There's the others behalf

56:29

and then there's the truth and I

56:31

appreciate the fact that you said that

56:33

I greatly appreciate that. Yeah, and you

56:36

just feel the main thing is about

56:38

integrity and being humble. I mean, it's

56:40

an honor to be on the show.

56:43

It was an honor for Alex to

56:45

ask me to be part of the

56:47

small town monsters thing and it's like,

56:50

you know, I'm not going to go

56:52

out and try to grab, you know,

56:54

get more than 15 seconds of time.

56:57

You know, I mean, it's like, listen,

56:59

I appreciate the fact that you guys

57:01

have me on. I appreciate Linda, you

57:03

know, Linda, you used to have me

57:06

on. And I appreciate, you know, it's

57:08

like, you know, but I'm not going

57:10

to go out striving and like, oh,

57:13

I need, but I'm not going to

57:15

go out striving and like, you know,

57:17

I'm like, I'm not going to be

57:20

an being an being a, you know,

57:22

I'm going to, I'm going to be

57:24

an, I'm going to be an, I'm

57:27

going to be an, I'm going to

57:29

be an, I'm going to be an,

57:31

I'm going to be an, I'm going

57:33

to be an, I'm going to be

57:36

an, I'm going to be an, I'm

57:38

going to be an, I'm going to

57:40

be an, I'm going to be an,

57:43

I'm going to be an, I Just

57:45

listen to everyone and don't try to

57:47

be like don't try to make your

57:50

point you know heard louder than someone

57:52

else's point. You know what I mean?

57:54

You just listen and yeah. enjoy it

57:57

and make mental notes and use some

57:59

of the stuff that you can use

58:01

and if you know you find someone

58:03

something is really off the wall then

58:06

yeah but then just don't use it

58:08

as part of your research you know

58:10

right but you know you got all

58:13

these people that are out there and

58:15

they're doing things right and they're doing

58:17

things wrong so take the stuff that

58:20

you think might work and help with

58:22

your you know with your investigations well

58:24

Chuck I have to embrace that entire

58:27

opinion totally to myself and I assume

58:29

the others of the Sasquatch experience

58:31

but for me personally

58:34

I totally embrace that

58:36

opinion altogether. Absolutely.

58:39

I like being wrong. I love being

58:41

wrong because it's an opportunity

58:43

to learn and learning is

58:46

important and you know like

58:48

you said Chuck we go

58:50

back to this time and

58:52

there are no experts. on

58:54

this topic there's experts in

58:56

certain applications of things in

58:58

the field but there's no

59:01

expert on a field of

59:03

something that just we still

59:05

can't exist and Chuck we

59:07

didn't ask you what your

59:09

thoughts on it do you think

59:11

what what do you think this

59:14

is what do you think Bigfoot

59:16

is I always did this way what

59:18

do I hope it is I hope it's

59:20

flesh and blood because if it's

59:22

an alien probably hang up my

59:25

boots I'm not going to go

59:27

out looking for something that yeah

59:29

I see I saw fire in

59:31

the sky I see different alien

59:34

movies I know what aliens do to

59:36

you guys you know to do

59:38

to people I really don't need

59:40

an eight-foot carry thing with long

59:43

fingers you know starting to do

59:45

probing stuff so I'm open it's

59:47

it's flesh and blood I'm trying

59:49

to I'm jumping down a rabbit

59:52

hole with You know, Esau and

59:54

with, you know, the book of

59:56

Enoch and just, you know, the

59:58

shy and tired. the Bible and you

1:00:01

know so you know maybe it's

1:00:03

you know I don't want to

1:00:05

say they're demons but maybe maybe

1:00:07

they're angels you know I mean

1:00:09

or maybe they're just something else

1:00:11

I mean well you really don't

1:00:14

Well, it might not be someone's

1:00:16

cup of tea. There might be

1:00:18

something we can pull from that

1:00:20

information that we can pull from

1:00:22

that that can be added to

1:00:24

the repertoire of what we use

1:00:26

or how we explain it or

1:00:29

bring other people closer to it.

1:00:31

And I think- Well, listen to

1:00:33

you using fancy French words, repertoire.

1:00:35

I got to fix this. Mike,

1:00:37

it keeps hitting me in the

1:00:39

face. I mentioned, I was on

1:00:41

another podcast, and I mentioned, you

1:00:43

know, people like, well, it was

1:00:46

big put on the know-on, know-it-it-it-it-it-it-it-it-it-it-it-it-it-it-it-it-it-it-it-it-it-it-it-it-it-it-it-it-it-it-it-it-it-it-it-it-it-it-it-it-it-it-it-it-it-it-it-it-it-it-it-it-it-it

1:00:48

But if you live, you know,

1:00:50

if you watch, if you read

1:00:52

and you've got Nimrod in the

1:00:54

Babylon and Babylon, now he's doing

1:00:56

all his cross breeding, maybe he

1:00:58

wasn't, you know, because Nimrod was,

1:01:01

what? Yeah, and that's true. This

1:01:03

is true. Yeah, he was this

1:01:05

great-great-son or something like that, so

1:01:07

we wouldn't, no. No. I stand

1:01:09

with you on that whole concept,

1:01:11

yep, yep, I do. We don't

1:01:13

know. It's good to investigate nonetheless.

1:01:16

Henry, did you have anything you

1:01:18

wanted to chime in? Yes. What's

1:01:20

that? And what I want to

1:01:22

say is, what I want to

1:01:24

say is, is that what gets

1:01:26

me is, now most Bigfooters don't

1:01:28

call themselves experts, but when they

1:01:31

go. I don't want

1:01:33

to show that's not a big

1:01:35

thing called big I. They're not

1:01:37

expert. They're not any more big

1:01:40

experts than you are. Right. So

1:01:42

why call them that? Well, I

1:01:45

think it gets people attracted to

1:01:47

the subject that if you're not

1:01:49

in. I agree. Because a lot

1:01:52

of people take flack for that

1:01:54

when you go and get promoted.

1:01:56

Like, oh, this is the Bigfoot

1:01:59

expert. Well, no, we're not experts,

1:02:01

but people that promote it. Don't

1:02:04

say that too often. A promotional

1:02:06

tactic. Yeah. Yeah, I'll make that

1:02:08

statement right now. There is no

1:02:11

such thing as a Bigfoot expert.

1:02:13

That does not exist. Yeah, now

1:02:16

I've been, you know, there's people

1:02:18

that have had more experiences than

1:02:20

others. So, you know, their experiences

1:02:23

might, you know, it doesn't make

1:02:25

them more knowledgeable of what happens.

1:02:27

You know, I mean, so. But

1:02:30

we do the show we do

1:02:32

a Bigfoot journal. Actually, Mike does

1:02:35

a wonderful job with it. We

1:02:37

scour, you know, he scourrs, I

1:02:39

scour some of the time when

1:02:42

I have, but I'm not worth

1:02:44

it, two jobs. But, but it's,

1:02:46

you know, he scours, you know,

1:02:49

and we tie things into, you

1:02:51

know, what, you know, with Bigfoot.

1:02:54

I mean, we're actually, we're thinking

1:02:56

about, we, the NFL drafts coming

1:02:58

up, you know, you know, 40

1:03:01

in like 5.97 seconds, you know

1:03:03

what I mean? Like I can't

1:03:06

even drive that fast. You know,

1:03:08

so we're gonna tie in, you

1:03:10

know, different things in going on

1:03:13

in the world. You kind of

1:03:15

try it, tie it in to

1:03:17

Bigfoot, you know, with technology and

1:03:20

all the stuff. So it's, you

1:03:22

know, I just want, you know,

1:03:25

this little quick plug there to

1:03:27

me too, but I want to

1:03:29

give Mike his props about this

1:03:32

show and, you know. Mike's a

1:03:34

good dude. We got to get

1:03:37

Mike on the program. I've been

1:03:39

in the field with Mike. I

1:03:41

love Mike. He's a good dude.

1:03:44

He is a student, definitely a

1:03:46

student of the game, like much

1:03:48

like Henry May. He's probably this

1:03:51

generation's version of Henry May. Are

1:03:53

there any events or conferences that

1:03:56

you're going to be attending in

1:03:58

the 2025? year. Yes.

1:04:00

Well, obviously a couple weeks were going.

1:04:02

I'm so agri- I went to be

1:04:04

good to go to the Ohio. I

1:04:07

want to go to the Penn Ohio

1:04:09

this past weekend and just with my

1:04:11

work schedule I couldn't get out there

1:04:13

but I was agri. I went there

1:04:15

I was there last year and you

1:04:17

know I know Bill and I know

1:04:20

I know Bill well and he's great

1:04:22

and then Gwen was speaking and I'm

1:04:24

just pissed that I wasn't able to

1:04:26

hear her speak but so yeah it'll

1:04:28

be OBC in May. And then I

1:04:30

think in June, yeah, I'm gonna be

1:04:33

there. And Michael be there until we'll

1:04:35

be there. So we're all gonna be

1:04:37

there. I think in June we have,

1:04:39

there's the, what's the, the Forest County

1:04:41

one in PA? Marianville, yep. Marianville, yeah,

1:04:43

I wanna get out to that one

1:04:46

this year because that's a, that's a

1:04:48

big, you know, that's a big one.

1:04:50

Last year I was in, I was

1:04:52

at, I went to the one in

1:04:54

Marian North Carolina in May. So it

1:04:56

was tough to get out in June

1:04:59

because I was and I actually went

1:05:01

to one in the encounter quest last

1:05:03

year in North Carolina so it was

1:05:05

by the time June came around I

1:05:07

was like I got my lawns like

1:05:09

three speed high I got the moment

1:05:12

right there's so many. Yeah and then

1:05:14

July I'm trying I think there's one

1:05:16

in farming down New Jersey that actually

1:05:18

there's gonna be like a Lyle's gonna

1:05:20

be at it and I think Myra

1:05:22

Mayor is gonna be there's gonna be

1:05:25

there's gonna be like a I

1:05:28

am open for anything in August. I'll

1:05:30

probably do so August is like when

1:05:33

Central P.A. Right. First week, yep. And

1:05:35

then September, I think I want to

1:05:37

get back up to Whitehall and then

1:05:39

October, we have the Park City one

1:05:42

in Kentucky. That Toby, the guy, one

1:05:44

of the one of the guys that

1:05:46

does the big picture with me, he's

1:05:49

helping out, he's being, you know, he's

1:05:51

helping the organizers with that one. So

1:05:53

I think I want to take a

1:05:55

trip down to Kentucky. Maybe

1:05:58

you can go back in November

1:06:00

to Kentucky. I want to get

1:06:02

down to cryptic and everything. Yeah,

1:06:04

so hopefully that's what my, that's

1:06:06

what I told the chalkboard and

1:06:08

my, my whiteboard and, you know,

1:06:10

hopefully you'll be able to cross,

1:06:12

you know, stone them off, half

1:06:15

them off. Well, I think we'll

1:06:17

all be able to give each

1:06:19

other a big pro hug at

1:06:21

OBC this year. I'm looking forward

1:06:23

to it because I'm there, I

1:06:25

think five of us are going

1:06:27

to be there, right, Sean. Yeah,

1:06:29

as far as I know the

1:06:32

entire crew of the satisfaction. So

1:06:34

you consider our table and you

1:06:36

will have a microphone for you

1:06:38

and I'm sure we'll do a

1:06:40

couple of live events and that'll

1:06:42

be fun. Definitely get, definitely get

1:06:44

Mike and Toby on, you know,

1:06:47

get them on that because like

1:06:49

I said, they're, they're so knowledgeable.

1:06:51

Toby, he's just turned 18 and

1:06:53

the amount of experiences this guy's

1:06:55

had, you know, being only 18

1:06:57

is, it's incredible. And then, well,

1:06:59

that's awesome. Yeah, that's awesome. Yeah,

1:07:01

but yeah, we hope to be

1:07:04

exciting here. I'll have to hire

1:07:06

someone to mow my lawn. There

1:07:08

you go. There you go. Chuck,

1:07:10

I'm looking forward to meeting you

1:07:12

at OBC. And I'll be there

1:07:14

and the rest of the five

1:07:16

of the Fast Watch experience crew.

1:07:18

We're going to be there too,

1:07:21

so that'll be fun. Absolutely, it's

1:07:23

exciting man. They're very cool. Chuck,

1:07:25

thanks so much for stopping by

1:07:27

with us tonight. Folks, Chuck, out,

1:07:29

Chuck Show. Where can they find

1:07:31

your show and when can they

1:07:33

listen? All right, so it's a

1:07:35

pre-recorded show. Actually, the last show

1:07:38

we did was live, but it's

1:07:40

usually on Friday nights at 715.

1:07:42

It's called the Big Foot Journal

1:07:44

and it's on the Untold Radio

1:07:46

Network. Like I said, Mike does

1:07:48

an awesome job just scouring internet.

1:07:50

We try to make it like

1:07:52

a news, a news show. You

1:07:55

know, we'll do like, we'll do.

1:07:57

the different, you know, recent, you

1:07:59

know, recent, you know, recent, like,

1:08:01

it's just, I can't, sorry, I'm

1:08:03

drawing a blanket, but it's just

1:08:05

a making show watch, it's 715,

1:08:07

Friday nights, every other Friday, we

1:08:09

do it twice, twice a month.

1:08:12

And then our group, you know,

1:08:14

the Cat's Coapulation Research Collective, you

1:08:16

can find us on the Facebook

1:08:18

page, and then also we're on

1:08:20

YouTube, Gwen does a great job

1:08:22

with their show, from behind Paul

1:08:24

Trees trees. And I think she's

1:08:27

actually partnered with agents of the

1:08:29

unknown, Bill. I think he's part

1:08:31

of the channel now. So yeah.

1:08:33

And then if you see me

1:08:35

at one of these events, please,

1:08:37

you know, come up and say,

1:08:39

hey, how you doing? I'll give

1:08:41

you a business card to you.

1:08:44

I was very friendly. He doesn't

1:08:46

bite. I don't. I don't. I

1:08:48

think you're the big hug. Right.

1:08:50

He's a big hugger. Henry. Take

1:08:52

us out with those dulcet tones,

1:08:54

my friend. You

1:08:57

all be good or

1:09:00

be good at it.

1:09:02

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1:09:04

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