0:01

Thank you, Babuji.

0:03

Yeah, I just

0:06

felt this urge

0:09

today as I

0:11

really, I said,

0:14

I really,

0:16

I said, I

0:19

need your help.

0:21

And I see

0:24

I need your

0:26

help. And I

0:29

see I'm

0:31

not This

0:33

sense of

0:36

my way

0:38

Yes, okay

0:41

slow down

0:45

Children

0:49

are happy.

0:52

Hello

0:54

Matinka

0:58

Ohi Just say in your

1:00

own words again for me,

1:02

please. Yeah, I see this sense

1:05

of like a one of

1:07

the words are like my

1:09

way and I keep trying

1:11

to offer it up and then

1:13

I keep discovering I've gone off

1:15

on my own way again.

1:18

Naturally. It's not natural,

1:20

but normally naturally because

1:22

we're so accustomed to

1:25

that. But so you're

1:27

saying that you you're

1:30

you're presenting yourself, I

1:32

want to not just

1:34

follow the old traffic,

1:37

you know, and to, to

1:39

what, speak of your... But

1:41

when you do, you say,

1:43

you find, as a

1:45

gesture, as an intention,

1:48

you say, I really

1:50

want to, I see

1:52

the whole tendencies and

1:55

the force of them,

1:57

and especially... more recent.

2:00

the such songs have

2:02

become much more spot

2:04

on. We are not

2:06

scattering seeds far. We're

2:09

looking, asking you, checking

2:11

in with you. So

2:13

if you're saying that

2:15

what you're finding, although

2:17

the gesture, the intention

2:19

is to really offer

2:22

things up, offer you

2:24

my way up, my

2:26

way up. beyond

2:28

the gesture and the intention

2:30

and the request, still a

2:32

kind of reflex being back

2:34

the whole thing? Okay. And

2:36

I could see somehow it

2:38

became clearer this week that

2:41

it's like the eye still

2:43

believes it has something to

2:45

get from its way. Yes,

2:47

yes, yes, yes. Yes. How

2:49

long is the cue standing

2:51

behind you on this one?

2:54

Thank you. Honesty we like.

2:56

Now we're not going to,

2:58

this is not blame and

3:01

shame, we're just looking. Okay,

3:03

so, could you repeat? Because

3:05

I think some people got

3:07

left out there. Yeah, it

3:10

was clear in the past

3:12

when there are times where

3:14

something becomes so clear and

3:16

when the prayer comes to

3:19

offer it, I find why

3:21

it's like the authority of

3:23

God has really taken it.

3:25

And it can't come so

3:28

strongly or if it comes

3:30

again, it's like, oh no,

3:32

this is already, this old

3:34

news. But with this thing,

3:37

I see, this week I

3:39

could see, ah, though something

3:41

in me wants to give

3:43

this up, no, it's like

3:46

the I still feels it

3:48

has something to receive from

3:50

its way, like it still

3:52

secretly knows best, or you

3:55

know? Yes, yes. And could

3:57

it also be a kind

3:59

of mechanism for protection of

4:01

a certain way? I'll do

4:04

it my way. but you're

4:06

now in an environmental climate

4:08

that's really very much exposing

4:10

not in a shameful way

4:13

but in an intelligent and

4:15

wise way to make clear

4:17

to you the things that

4:19

actually are not an attribute

4:22

of freedom but more kind

4:24

of stagnant stubborn energy that

4:26

we pick up we all

4:28

pick up I think you

4:31

we take this form to

4:33

come to the recognition of

4:35

those forces, and as long

4:37

as we have a stubborn

4:40

sense of personal identity and

4:42

a loyalty to that identity,

4:44

then those forces will not

4:46

be challenged. Is it important

4:49

that they're challenged? Is it

4:51

important? Yes, because unchecked, unrecognized,

4:53

they proliferate. They don't just

4:55

taste tail. They are laying

4:58

eggs. So, you know, we

5:00

see that, no? So, only

5:02

recently, because for so many

5:04

years we've been sitting all

5:07

over the world traveling and

5:09

having the wonderful opportunity to

5:11

speak with people who say,

5:13

well, I'm here for this,

5:16

what do you hear for?

5:18

I'm here to transcend the

5:20

grip, to escape from the

5:22

grip of the psychological identity.

5:25

I can clearly see that

5:27

you know. protecting

5:30

it is in a way

5:32

denying a greater freedom. And

5:34

in the field to greater

5:36

and lesser extent you find

5:38

people coming and saying, yes,

5:40

actually lay down arms about

5:42

this. And yet people say,

5:44

I choose to put it

5:46

down, but like a monkey

5:48

is back on the shoulder

5:50

again. So how to do

5:52

it? How to kill the

5:54

monkey? I say, don't need

5:56

to kill a monkey. The

6:01

very intention to kill

6:04

the monkey mind,

6:06

actually it grows

6:08

with conflict. So

6:10

we talked now about detachment.

6:14

Learning to look,

6:16

and this is how

6:18

the just B exercise

6:20

came. And who has

6:23

found it powerful? Yes.

6:25

Why? Because it's not

6:27

feeding. the monkey mind.

6:30

It's not feeding those

6:32

tendencies. Because when they

6:34

come, they actually come for

6:36

what? For food. What is

6:39

the food? Your attention. You're

6:41

still subscribing to them.

6:44

You being what? So I am not

6:46

so much speaking now about

6:49

lots of different touching

6:51

on lots of different.

6:53

For me, it's always

6:55

the subject is one. So

6:59

recently more in very

7:01

recent times we have

7:03

narrowed down that until

7:06

we really include the

7:08

exposing of the Vassanas

7:10

not for public

7:13

execution, but to

7:15

actually be willing to

7:17

see that they suppressed

7:19

your power. They inhibit

7:21

and also they have

7:23

a powerful tool and the

7:26

powerful tool mechanism. is

7:28

shame. We feel like I

7:30

don't want it, don't want

7:32

to be exposed because people

7:35

might see that I'm not

7:37

as wise as I may appear to

7:39

be or whatever. But this is

7:41

a, it's, I want to tell

7:43

you, we are not here about

7:45

name and blame and

7:47

shame thing, we're not

7:50

not interested. I'm so

7:52

interested we go beyond

7:54

the illusion of personhood.

7:57

But this going unlike other

7:59

going is not forward

8:01

going. It's receding

8:03

into a place

8:06

within you, which

8:08

is the God

8:10

place. Really, the

8:13

your place, our

8:15

true place, of

8:17

that which is

8:20

eternal and harmonious,

8:22

full of joy,

8:24

and without need.

8:30

while we are in the

8:32

state of multiplicity, do we

8:34

have need? Yes. And is

8:36

it normal, natural? Yes, for

8:39

that layer, it's natural. Don't

8:41

try to jump merely as

8:43

a person. We have to

8:45

in some way, if you're

8:47

going to jump, you have

8:49

to jump over a person.

8:52

But no need for jump.

8:54

Continue as we have started

8:56

to learn to allow. rather

8:58

than to be trying to

9:00

suppress tendencies which really don't

9:02

work. In the long run,

9:05

they may have some short-term

9:07

looking, but until they are

9:09

really transcended, they will still

9:11

just find a way of

9:13

living. They will shape shift.

9:15

Am I speaking on a

9:18

common subject for everybody you

9:20

can do? Thank you. Can

9:22

you kind of like turn

9:24

up the pain of my

9:26

way, you know, or or

9:28

make more obvious the pain

9:31

of my way? Yes, that

9:33

one step feels like your

9:35

prayers work Your prayers or

9:37

your intention your choice. This

9:39

is a power that we

9:41

have You have choice you

9:44

have choice You see now

9:46

you may say but I

9:48

don't know if I really

9:50

have choice because I've chosen

9:52

many things that don't come

9:54

true But maybe

9:56

there is behind that superficial

9:59

choice a deeper choice a

10:01

deeper internal choice to be

10:03

free. And so whatever you're

10:05

praying to, you're having sufficient

10:07

trust in that to say,

10:09

well, in the end, you

10:11

will be done. You're going

10:13

to see later that the

10:16

year and you are kind

10:18

of one, but for the

10:20

time being, the year is

10:22

very, very important. So I

10:24

was speaking in calling up,

10:26

we've been having a monks.

10:28

some of the people who

10:31

are having these talks, one

10:33

came the other day and

10:35

he's saying, yes, you know,

10:37

I see as this kind

10:39

of look a little bit

10:41

on the verge between constipation

10:43

and freedom, okay? So you

10:45

know when someone, this is

10:48

good sign in Sangha actually

10:50

because it means somehow we

10:52

are processing something, you know,

10:54

transcending something and he said,

10:56

I'm on fire. I'm

10:58

on fire. He said, but I don't

11:01

want water. I want petrol. You understand?

11:03

It must be that this fire has

11:05

some, there is a greatness about this

11:08

fire. Because although inside seem that everything

11:10

is crackling and spitting and everything, there

11:12

is a sense here of a release

11:14

from something, from the grip of this.

11:17

identity. It's happening and it's not so

11:19

linear. It can be feel like this

11:21

one day and it's struggling the next

11:24

day and then pooh. It's like not

11:26

there and still all these things are

11:28

perceivable. Deeper, receding deeper where beyond your

11:31

tools and beyond the techniques in the

11:33

place of just perceiving. And this is

11:35

very important. where there is only perceiving,

11:37

but not not... shopping, not

11:40

war, just observing,

11:42

and also being aware

11:44

that you are

11:47

aware of what are

11:49

seeing. More than

11:51

logging into the energy

11:53

of the things

11:56

that come up externally

11:58

and internally, like

12:00

things in the world,

12:03

or your feelings,

12:05

emotions, memory, the sense

12:07

of an identity

12:10

or past, all of

12:12

these things are

12:14

coming. And I want

12:16

to encourage that

12:19

it doesn't take all

12:21

forever, it's not

12:23

like that. Make a

12:26

start, and you

12:28

will see, as the

12:30

fruit of them

12:32

come, so

12:35

much space comes. Sometimes

12:38

you've heard me say, just

12:40

like your finger can cover

12:42

the sun, finger,

12:44

this size, can cover the

12:47

sun, because it's so near near.

12:50

In some ways, some tendencies

12:52

are blocking you, not

12:54

this way, because you're not

12:56

on that side of

12:58

the seeing, blocking you from

13:00

a very profound realisation,

13:02

not just seeing, a realisation

13:04

of who and what

13:06

you really are, rather than

13:08

what we take ourselves

13:10

to be. So

13:13

don't look at the measurements in

13:15

front of you, and take them too

13:17

seriously. They also are phenomenal. You

13:20

understand? Don't depend, Ah,

13:23

today, I feel a

13:25

victory to now. Leave

13:27

all of that. Be

13:29

in the place, the

13:31

soundless place of observing,

13:33

only as awareness itself.

13:35

Get used to looking

13:37

as and from formless

13:39

awareness. Do you

13:41

need imagination for this? Somebody

13:44

says, Yes. It's OK. Come, come.

13:48

Imagination in the beginning is

13:50

also not enough, but

13:53

at least the intention

13:55

is good. You'll go beyond

13:57

that. Even if I

13:59

imagine something, it doesn't make

14:01

it real. It may make it effective,

14:03

but it doesn't make it real or true. So

14:05

when I say recede, meaning pull

14:07

back from the association with

14:10

the farm and intention and

14:12

history and identity and all

14:14

the things that come together

14:17

to make you call these

14:19

things yourself. Why I call it

14:21

not yourself? Because none of

14:24

it is stable. All of it

14:26

is just like we look at

14:28

the sky. and you see shapes

14:30

are changing all the time. Beautiful

14:33

clouds, ugly clouds,

14:35

whatever, everything is

14:37

traffic, everything is tourist

14:39

passing. But the immensity, which

14:41

is really the basis of

14:44

the sky, is unchanging and

14:46

the clouds, no matter what

14:48

farm they take, or tornadoes

14:51

or whatever, nothing sticks

14:53

to the space in which they

14:55

appear. It's a good metaphor, you

14:57

know. for what we are. It's

15:00

always like that, but we're

15:02

not aware of it. So

15:04

being aware of it is

15:06

where the power gets switched

15:09

on, that all that you see

15:11

is the play of time

15:13

and change. Nothing is

15:15

stable there. You will not

15:17

see the eternal with physical

15:20

eyes, whether you are looking

15:22

from the eternal and I'm

15:24

going to show you how.

15:27

Because we can also look

15:30

with your eyes and what

15:32

you're seeing is phenomenal and

15:34

you, the one who is

15:36

looking, is also phenomenal. You

15:38

see? If you're looking

15:41

because the ego can

15:43

also look, you can

15:45

also observe, but its

15:47

range is very limited

15:49

because it looks with

15:51

self-interest, with personal self-interest.

15:55

And that's been going on for a

15:57

long time. But I said, receipt even...

16:00

beyond and behind, receive back

16:02

even from the personal identity.

16:04

Why I say that? Because

16:07

here you will admit that

16:09

even personal identity and its

16:12

world, we can give personal

16:14

identity another word that we

16:17

don't like so much, ego,

16:19

basically. And its world and

16:21

mechanism are also phenomenal. Should

16:24

I need explain what I

16:26

mean by phenomenal? I mean,

16:29

whatever it is that you

16:31

can perceive that comes through

16:34

the mind or the senses,

16:36

means it's just an appearance.

16:38

But the more what you

16:41

see, if you log in

16:43

to the energy field of

16:46

what you see, then it

16:48

will become part of your

16:51

energy field. But even the

16:53

energy field of this person

16:55

and the person. are also

16:58

seen from a deeper, as

17:00

I'm speaking you should be

17:03

seeing. I'm not asking you

17:05

for homework for later. What

17:08

I'm saying is verifiable now.

17:10

You will come into the

17:13

nowness, the current of now.

17:15

So I'm not giving, I'm

17:17

not passing concepts around. If

17:20

you're following, you're seeing and

17:22

you can verify as I

17:25

see. I'm

17:28

not even asking you believe

17:30

and trust, no, it's fresher

17:33

than believe, fresher than trust.

17:35

See, that the sense of,

17:38

if someone asks you, please

17:40

present a half, a paragraph

17:43

of 300 words of your

17:45

autobiography, tell me something about

17:48

you. Okay? What you put

17:50

down on paper or on

17:53

your computer about yourself, you

17:55

know? Is it? Is it?

18:00

Real? Real meaning if something

18:02

is real it has always

18:04

got to be real. And

18:07

what I want to say

18:09

is all these concepts we

18:11

have, they've all been personalized.

18:14

Subjective. So that's why we

18:16

have to go back what

18:18

you mean by real. Is

18:21

there anything which is real

18:23

for everybody? Why not? Because

18:26

everyone have their version of

18:28

what you think is true.

18:30

You say, well, this is

18:33

my truth and your truth.

18:35

So these are very, I

18:37

would say, localization and personalization

18:40

of what we call true.

18:42

What can be true? We

18:45

can all agree that, okay,

18:47

we are going to call

18:49

this, we are going to

18:52

take this to be so.

18:54

And then collectively we do

18:56

it. The person, nation to

18:59

nation, we have shared concepts

19:01

about many things. You see?

19:04

And we fight about them.

19:06

But for you, you must

19:08

come and see whatever I

19:11

see, whatever comes through the

19:13

senses or the mind. It

19:15

is situational, subjective, meaning that

19:18

I feel so much about

19:20

this today. I swear on

19:23

the scriptures about it, tomorrow

19:25

I feel differently. Can you

19:27

control? So there must be

19:30

something more pure than any

19:32

of these things. But where

19:34

are you going to go

19:37

for this purity, not out

19:39

there in the field of

19:42

the phenomena, recede into a

19:44

place where everything you see

19:46

you have to confirm, actually,

19:49

but it's only for the

19:51

moment. My feelings for the

19:53

moment. It's

19:56

true. I'm not you

19:58

see anything even even

20:00

Our ideas about God

20:02

differ from person to

20:04

person. And you know

20:07

what? The Supreme makes

20:09

it like that so

20:11

that you will not

20:13

be able to solve

20:15

it phenomenally. You must

20:17

go beyond or find

20:20

that which is beyond

20:22

the phenomenal, which is

20:24

beyond opinion, beyond subjective

20:26

perception. beyond

20:29

personhood, beyond world

20:31

view, beyond social conditioning,

20:33

religious condition and

20:35

political condition and

20:37

even species conditioning. Where

20:40

are you going

20:42

to go? Where

20:44

you can go? You

20:47

must recede back

20:49

to the place

20:51

of pure being. Where

20:53

is pure being?

20:56

Well first I'll tell

20:58

you, you can never

21:01

not be pure being.

21:03

But what we have

21:05

come to take as

21:07

ourselves is the conditioned

21:09

identity which you cannot

21:11

keep. One day all

21:13

that you see through

21:16

the senses and the

21:18

mind will become. Even

21:20

the instrument for tasting

21:22

and experiencing also this

21:24

is also phenomenal. But

21:27

what I call

21:29

yourself and I'm

21:32

hoping we are

21:34

here for this

21:36

to clarify to

21:38

verify Inside yourself

21:40

that which can

21:43

never go That

21:45

which alone is

21:47

eternal and perfect

21:49

beyond even the

21:51

earthly concept of

21:53

perfection whose

21:58

perfume is joy. and

22:01

peace. Who is without

22:04

lacking? Who is beyond

22:06

poor and rich? Beyond

22:08

the treasures of this

22:11

world? I have the

22:13

delight in my heart

22:15

to tell you it

22:18

is you. But now

22:20

it has to be

22:23

proven. On what basis?

22:25

Can it be proven?

22:27

If everybody in the

22:30

world say to you

22:32

it's true, you may

22:35

still not agree. You

22:37

have to find that

22:39

place that is unarguable.

22:42

Where can it be?

22:44

It must be beyond

22:47

the field of opinions,

22:49

beyond the field of

22:51

conditioning, because all this

22:54

you know. Everything you

22:56

call yourself, you can

22:59

change. Even your faith

23:01

can change. But that

23:03

which is aware of

23:06

faith must be beyond

23:08

faith. Something that is

23:11

so original, so pure,

23:13

that nothing can damage

23:15

it. And yet something

23:18

can hide it. But

23:20

from who? Out

23:34

of some yearning that is

23:36

growing inside you, you ask,

23:38

you know, please, can you

23:40

help me to burn this

23:42

thing that keeps coming up?

23:45

I'm sitting here and I'm

23:47

feeling so much composure, so

23:49

much peace, and like some

23:51

uncontrollable reflex, this thing comes

23:53

up again that tells me,

23:55

you know, no, you need

23:57

this then and that force

23:59

comes up on. the desire

24:01

come up and some arrogance

24:03

come up. How to get rid

24:05

of these? I say, I'll tell

24:07

you how. Just keep being aware

24:10

of them without believing

24:12

in them. Just see them

24:14

as sensations. You know

24:16

why? In a moment they will

24:19

also go. It's like all these

24:21

forces and these images, thoughts,

24:23

and feelings. It can appear

24:26

that they come on the

24:28

stage. to audition for your

24:31

attention. Okay? And look

24:33

free also. And because we

24:36

have been some obituated

24:38

to that play, something

24:40

like a reflex without

24:42

thinking, it's as though

24:45

you're flowing down the

24:47

road. But remember, that

24:49

flow is also phenomenal.

24:52

And I'm here to check in

24:54

with you and say, but... You're

24:56

saying, no, no, no, Phil, I'm

24:58

sweeping, I'm falling apart. I say,

25:01

but you're watching in this thing.

25:03

This is all this is on screen

25:05

report. Am I going too

25:07

fast? You tell me? Okay. All

25:09

that you're seeing is what I

25:12

call on screen, meaning that it's

25:14

just, it's in your head, in

25:16

the theater of consciousness. It's just

25:19

another sensation. And it's not just

25:21

thoughts, they have an energetic quality.

25:23

It's also flowing in your blood.

25:27

It's in the energy

25:29

internal field. It's all

25:31

there, but they are

25:33

still phenomenal to

25:36

this deep seeing this

25:38

knowing You cannot see

25:40

this source You understand?

25:43

Because if you could

25:45

see the source, then

25:47

you'd be more subtle

25:49

than the source Can

25:52

you can you see as

25:54

we speak? What is happening

25:56

to your idea of yourself?

26:00

Slow down. Because the reflex,

26:02

we are out on the

26:04

street, somebody asks you, what

26:06

is your name? My name

26:08

is George Brown. OK, where

26:10

do you live? I live

26:12

in Zamatino. I come from

26:14

this thing. We have all

26:17

these kind of rehearsals in

26:19

us. That you define and

26:21

convey. Naturally. I don't wonder

26:23

you go out somebody. Go

26:25

who are you? I'm the

26:27

Supreme. No, no, come on.

26:29

We're not talking like that.

26:32

I'm just saying for your

26:34

seeing. Naturally. It's not that

26:36

we are training how to

26:38

speak with the world or

26:40

something. You will find your

26:42

way because the inner being,

26:44

the God's self, is wise.

26:47

It's not naive and arrogant.

26:49

So it's not that you

26:51

have to learn how to

26:53

be. Learn how to be

26:55

is only because you are

26:57

not to be. It's just

26:59

another form about being. So

27:02

we are trying to, this

27:04

is my version today. Next

27:06

week we see you, it's

27:08

another update, another version. How

27:10

can this be you? You

27:12

see? Can I say it

27:14

is you? Oh, I'm going

27:17

to say something. It is

27:19

also you. It is you

27:21

in your play, in your

27:23

expression as changefulness. But something...

27:25

is aware or is being

27:27

made aware here of an

27:29

earlier, I'm using the word

27:31

earlier, but it's not in

27:34

time, you see. I mean

27:36

earlier only in term of

27:38

subtlety, that these things can

27:40

be seen, but you are

27:42

not aware that these can

27:44

be seen. Now you're being

27:46

aware, but yes, it's true.

27:49

There are some things that

27:51

appear inside your field of

27:53

consciousness and mind. that

27:55

are so subtle, there's

27:57

no names for that.

28:01

They have not been

28:03

catalogued. They have some

28:06

sensations that are so

28:08

They don't show up

28:10

in any textbook They're

28:13

not on any they're

28:15

not on any video

28:17

online They're not on

28:20

any not even in

28:22

the scriptures you hear

28:24

of them But they

28:27

show up subtly inside

28:29

Why in front of

28:31

who in front of

28:34

that? what do I

28:36

call that or this,

28:38

the field of pure

28:41

awareness? Nobody has told

28:43

us that this awareness

28:45

is the very root

28:48

of our existence and

28:50

that it is imperishable.

28:52

And a few years

28:55

ago, as a result

28:57

of this exploration, we...

28:59

but you were presented

29:02

with the invitation to

29:04

freedom, isn't it? Where

29:06

we could actually recede,

29:09

recede in your looking

29:11

to learn to look

29:13

without becoming so involved

29:16

as an exercise to

29:18

do it. And what

29:20

did you come to

29:23

find? Did you find

29:25

something tangible or intangible

29:27

ultimate discovery? You cannot

29:30

show? Is it? What

29:32

is your self-portrait here?

29:34

What did it look

29:37

like? Then you see

29:39

all your self-portraits were

29:41

just moments of phenomenal

29:44

states, mental states, imagined

29:46

states. What is the

29:48

ultimate truth of you?

29:51

What it looked like?

29:53

What gender is it?

29:55

What religion? what

30:00

race beyond all

30:03

these things? That

30:06

which I am

30:09

attempting to convey

30:11

in words, like

30:14

this, is not

30:17

just in words,

30:19

is the beingness

30:22

inside you is

30:25

we are in

30:28

a kind of...

30:30

seeming verbal discussion

30:33

to discover a

30:36

nonverbal place? Yes

30:38

or not? Does

30:41

it come and

30:44

go in itself?

30:46

That which is...

30:49

Is it in

30:52

front of... imagination

30:57

or even behind imagination?

30:59

Is it something that

31:01

imagination will take you

31:03

to? Is not even

31:05

imaginations and imaginings, even

31:07

in their subtlest manifestation,

31:09

also phenomenal? You show

31:11

your understanding what the

31:14

word phenomenal mean in

31:16

this usage here? Anything

31:18

that you can perceive

31:20

physically or non-physical? any

31:22

emotion, any thought, any

31:24

object, any belief. The

31:26

reality of a thing

31:28

or the meaning of

31:31

a thing is not

31:33

in the thing, but

31:35

in the mind of

31:37

the one perceiving it.

31:39

So that's why we

31:41

can have different opinions

31:43

about what this is.

31:45

So it's all so

31:48

beautiful for somebody that's

31:50

not beautiful. Are they

31:52

right? You feel these flowers are

31:54

beautiful. Oh look at how beautiful

31:56

they are. And for somebody, they

31:58

are horrible. Who is

32:00

more true about it? Is

32:03

the flowers going, no, I'm

32:05

beautiful now? So still, the

32:07

meaning, the reality of something,

32:09

the meaning of something, is

32:11

not necessarily in the thing.

32:13

We don't even know what

32:15

it is. We call it

32:18

flowers. It is just what

32:20

it is for now. But

32:22

for you, you say this

32:24

one, and this is also

32:26

the brilliance of God spread

32:28

out into different languages. So

32:31

we can see. that things

32:33

are not the words and

32:35

the things you say they

32:37

are, nor are you. As

32:39

we are, are we okay,

32:41

like this for now, we

32:43

are going on the right

32:46

way. So coming back to

32:48

your request or question, say

32:50

again, what's your question? Is

32:52

it how much alive it

32:54

is, they say? Word

33:01

for word, what

33:04

was your question?

33:07

It dies in

33:10

looking, Gucci. Yeah.

33:13

It was created

33:16

in thought. Parishes

33:19

in seeing. But

33:21

in the big

33:24

picture. momentaryness

33:32

dancing. Okay.

33:34

You. Thank

33:36

you. Come

33:38

on back.

33:40

And also,

33:42

may I

33:44

make. And

33:47

also, may

33:49

I make.

33:51

And also,

33:53

It's not

33:55

a, okay,

33:57

binder covered

33:59

that, I'm

34:01

not having

34:03

this attitude. Leave

34:06

it where it is. Whether

34:08

that thing stays hot or

34:10

loose temperature or blows away,

34:13

you're here. What has altered

34:15

in your reality that

34:17

a thing is no more present?

34:20

You are the weakness of

34:22

the sense of presence

34:24

and absence also. Who or

34:26

what can you be? Sometimes

34:33

questions are more

34:35

important than answers.

34:38

But not just

34:41

questions, questions and

34:43

contemplation.

34:45

There is some powerful fire

34:48

stirred up in here.

34:50

And I just need to

34:53

expose it completely in your

34:55

light. This is not here

34:57

to protect this. Now, this

35:00

fire, this fire, is it

35:02

to, is it to be

35:05

gotten rid of? Is it

35:07

a messenger? Is

35:09

it an agent of some

35:12

delivering something for you?

35:14

Is it has got nothing

35:16

to do with who you

35:19

truly are? What is the

35:21

status of this fire that

35:23

you speak? We all know

35:26

what we're speaking now, not

35:28

maybe in its... unique expression in

35:30

this moment in this but we

35:32

know the kind we know about

35:35

the fires and what happened okay

35:37

yeah it is something that has

35:39

had the power to hold me

35:42

in that identity yes for the

35:44

moment yeah power to hold it

35:46

let's work with this we can

35:49

do a little bit so this

35:51

there's a fire raging fire inside

35:53

it has the power to trap

35:55

your head your attention It's holding,

35:58

it's like it's about you. Okay?

36:02

Now you what? You are

36:04

what? In the light of

36:06

what we are sharing. It's

36:08

got the attention and something

36:10

is like something. Now I'm

36:13

not asking you to go

36:15

and separate or to calm

36:17

an energy down. I'm asking

36:19

you that whatever it is,

36:22

pleasant or unpleasant, okay? It

36:24

will still share the same

36:26

status. It's phenomenal. It's coming

36:28

right now. And something is

36:30

going, I don't like this.

36:33

Or I love it. Okay?

36:35

I don't know. Whoa. Whoa.

36:37

Suppose it's like this. Hmm?

36:39

Because we can see it

36:42

sometime. We are sitting down

36:44

nice. Somebody's. Whoa. What's it?

36:46

Possession? What? Okay. Something's happening.

36:48

And something is going on,

36:50

maybe some flaring up of

36:53

emotion or something is telling

36:55

you something, a voice or

36:57

a message inside or just

36:59

pure energy. Maybe it doesn't

37:01

go to descriptions, it's just

37:04

energy. What is it? Yeah,

37:06

I think it's actually there

37:08

is the space of the

37:10

space where... Whatever it is,

37:13

it really doesn't have anything

37:15

particular about it. But if

37:17

I give my attention to

37:19

it. No, it has something

37:21

particular. It's tailor-made for who

37:24

you consider yourself to be

37:26

at the moment or for

37:28

a while. Because if it

37:30

had nothing at all, then

37:33

it wouldn't register. It's like

37:35

whatever meaning I give to

37:37

it. What it carries. Okay,

37:39

you being what? Yes. Let's

37:41

slow down. whatever, can it

37:44

exist for, can it exist

37:46

for, there's nobody here, but

37:48

it exists, who is reporting?

37:50

So it's in relation to

37:52

the sense of yourself, because

37:55

you're sitting next to somebody,

37:57

they're not a talk trouble

37:59

by what you have done.

38:01

Private hurricane going on. Okay?

38:04

So it's come up. It's

38:06

a relationship of a self-image

38:08

or a sense of self

38:10

and a circumstantial force is

38:12

coming up and like this.

38:15

Is there anything else in

38:17

there? Slow down. Is there

38:19

anything? Is there any other

38:21

thing there? Like, I help

38:24

you, like the capacity is

38:26

there to see this dog

38:28

fight going on. And that

38:30

the... The stimulant energy, which

38:32

is the identity, identity, is

38:35

also witnessable or not? Yes.

38:37

Yeah, I mean, however close,

38:39

however intimate something is, it's

38:41

still a relationship to something.

38:43

So this thing is, oh,

38:46

and whoa, can you see

38:48

it? Yes, I can see

38:50

it, but it's, can this

38:52

one, who is seeing the

38:55

thing and who is receiving

38:57

advice, how to be with

38:59

it? Can it be seen

39:01

that it's in a space

39:03

that is completely untouched by

39:06

it? An intelligent presence? Yes.

39:08

We don't go there. We

39:10

don't come here, usually. No.

39:12

Usually, when the show is

39:15

on, the theater is full.

39:17

You see? That you're asked

39:19

to say, even this, because

39:21

the reflex is to turn,

39:23

you know, bring the water,

39:26

put the fire out. But

39:28

I'm saying, no, use the

39:30

fire. Yes, that's why I'm

39:32

standing up. Yeah. to really

39:35

do bring more. gasoline and

39:37

burn all of it, wherever

39:39

it is coming from. If

39:41

the seeing is clean, there's

39:43

no need for gasoline. Oh,

39:46

that sounds, that sounds, that

39:48

sounds bad, I mean, that

39:50

sounds good. Right down, okay.

39:52

If the seeing of it,

39:54

it doesn't, is it possible

39:57

to see your, it's called

39:59

weakness, no? If you see

40:01

something and you can report

40:03

the hours of weakness, you

40:06

go to court or somebody

40:08

driving down the road, they

40:10

smash the car into each

40:12

other and then one person

40:14

come out and punch the

40:17

other and you know, punch

40:19

the other driver and thing

40:21

like that. Then it all

40:23

goes to court and you

40:26

too, because you're a bystander,

40:28

they ask you, okay, listen

40:30

now. So we're bringing in

40:32

the first weakness, you have

40:34

the weakness, okay. So I

40:37

mean, so what did you

40:39

see? Well, I was there,

40:41

I was sitting on the

40:43

car, sitting on the car,

40:45

sitting on the car. The

40:48

green car was just moving

40:50

slowly, red car going really,

40:52

nice report, boom, the red

40:54

car driver came out, okay,

40:57

walked over to the green

40:59

truck, the man in the

41:01

green car, and just walked

41:03

up and punched him, in

41:05

the face, like that. And

41:08

it was an old man.

41:10

He was just going, and

41:12

he got punched in the

41:14

face. So, okay, and then

41:17

what? Ah, your honor, I

41:19

couldn't bear it, actually. So

41:21

what happened? So I went inside

41:23

and I grabbed the guy who

41:25

punched him and I kicked him

41:27

in the nuts, okay? All right,

41:30

okay, all right. So what happened?

41:32

This, sorry, sorry, I'm sorry, this

41:34

witness is corrupt. Now, he's part

41:36

a crime scene now, isn't it?

41:38

Did we have another witness? Who

41:40

was that? Who is out of

41:42

the crime scene, you see? So

41:44

in this thing I use as

41:46

an example as some energy come

41:48

we don't we don't know when

41:50

it will come it come up

41:52

It's of course it's personal something

41:54

whatever it may be and it's

41:56

it's churning and maybe you can't

41:58

even listen to it in such

42:00

a, you know, it's just, you're

42:02

so, you, this you, is

42:04

so involved that there's not

42:07

even any space to look

42:09

at it. We can only just

42:12

suffer. And maybe someone

42:14

come and say, but you're

42:16

seeing this, how were you

42:18

before this started? I was

42:21

sitting here reading my book,

42:23

I was fine. What happened to

42:25

the one, the calm one

42:27

who was reading the book?

42:30

or whatever, or replace, or

42:32

the same one transformed into

42:34

this term one state. I

42:36

said, it's not true. Don't

42:39

forget the witness, the

42:41

witness, the capacity to

42:43

witness. This is what nobody

42:45

is doing. Is it possible

42:47

that true being in

42:50

an environment like this,

42:52

you're learning more and more

42:54

to be detached and... And

42:56

it's bearing fruit. It's not

42:58

that I got to keep

43:00

believing. It's actually bearing

43:03

fruit. And what's the fruit?

43:05

Less personalness. Not

43:07

personal. And where's it

43:09

going? You're receding. When

43:11

I came in, I was coming, just

43:13

I said, all the shoes outside. And

43:15

I said, I want to come around

43:18

this way. I saw all these other

43:20

shoes. I saw some baby shoes, small

43:22

shoes. I said, good. My followers are

43:24

disappearing. Joke, okay? What, after

43:27

you come, you're all here,

43:29

but is here, and what

43:31

is, what's happening? What have

43:34

you got to show for

43:36

one year, two years, many,

43:38

whatever years? What has changed

43:41

for you? Bobagee, I

43:43

feel it's, it is the

43:45

quality of the Satsangs

43:47

and pointing to the Vasanac

43:50

energies, Vasanek energies,

43:52

that is actually...

43:55

there is that that space

43:57

that is not involved that

43:59

allows these things now too

44:01

too. Who wins in this

44:04

in this ratio now that

44:06

the personal sense that is

44:08

and the reacting one reacting

44:10

reacting reacting okay in this

44:12

moment who wins the the

44:15

frustrated angry one win dominates

44:17

the scene and the capacity

44:19

to to observe this to

44:21

let it happen not to

44:24

suppress because suppressing is also

44:26

activity is to let it

44:28

happen not to suppress because

44:30

suppressing is also activity is

44:33

But the real activity of

44:35

using the thing to, you

44:37

say, Babuji, say don't get

44:39

involved like this. In this

44:42

particular thing, just learn to

44:44

let it happen until you

44:46

can see that, wait a

44:48

second, there's a space here

44:51

that is completely untouched. Before,

44:53

during, and after, it remains

44:55

the same. Is there such

44:57

a thing possible? Is it

44:59

telling you you you should

45:02

not feel? Of course, feel?

45:04

Even within this, once you

45:06

see it, action, reaction, interactions

45:08

can just be helped. It's

45:11

just happening. But the character

45:13

of personhood has changed. It

45:15

has changed. And that's the

45:17

one thing that really needs

45:20

to change. The shift from

45:22

person to presence. Person is

45:24

the scene, the crime scene

45:26

and the criminal there. in

45:29

some way they involve the

45:31

victim or the oppressor, but

45:33

the weakness is what? Did

45:35

the weakness grow? Did the

45:37

weakness lose? What is the

45:40

shape of the witness? You

45:42

have to start to realize

45:44

yourself as this awareness itself

45:46

and nobody's doing. Because

45:50

we are all fed on

45:52

phenomenality, you have to be

45:54

somebody. You have to be

45:56

beautiful. You have to be

45:58

well known. You have to

46:00

have money. You have to

46:03

meet your goals. you have

46:05

to. So we're always constructing

46:07

an identity based on so

46:09

much concepts, constipatable concepts. Yet

46:11

you're pure being, you're unaware

46:13

of your purity. All awakened

46:16

beings are the living embodiment

46:18

of what I'm speaking. And

46:20

they would tell you, anybody,

46:22

fundamentally there's no difference what

46:24

you call you, you and

46:26

me. don't exist in the

46:29

way that you think. Your

46:31

pure consciousness. Does that mean

46:33

that we should all be

46:35

like clones? All answering, yes.

46:37

No, all this flavor can

46:39

be there. We have misread,

46:42

misread and misunderstood the world

46:44

because you see it from

46:46

the polluted perspective of personhood.

46:48

You think the world is

46:50

horrible and stuff. Our behavior

46:52

is horrible. Our behavior is

46:55

horrible. Our concepts are horrible.

46:57

It's gone off. When

47:00

you come back here, look from

47:02

here today, keep looking, which includes

47:04

the violence in the world, is

47:06

also mixed with the violence in

47:08

you also, and all the other

47:11

things is there. Learn to see

47:13

that. Does that mean you live

47:15

your life with your hands on

47:17

your pocket and everything is so

47:19

beautiful? No, it can be whatever

47:22

it is, but you have new

47:24

eyes. You'll be seeing with the

47:26

eyes of light, of truth of

47:28

God and love. All

47:31

our life is all

47:33

circumstances, situational reports, momentary.

47:35

You have to see

47:38

where my words are

47:40

not words. They become

47:42

spirit force. You become,

47:44

you unbecome this character,

47:46

which is also not

47:48

stable. And somehow a

47:51

shift comes into the

47:53

sea. You are not

47:55

going to create yourself.

47:57

I'm not telling you

47:59

about another version of

48:01

yourself. The self is

48:03

not a version of

48:06

anything. The purity of

48:08

a being. I have

48:10

nothing theoretical to share

48:12

with you. I have

48:14

no time for it.

48:16

We have the facility

48:19

of words and their

48:21

conceptual meaning, but above

48:23

all things I have

48:25

you as a spiritual

48:27

presence. Without

48:31

that spiritual presence, no

48:33

word nor scripture means

48:36

anything at all. So

48:38

in the end, the

48:41

food is only presented

48:43

in the form of

48:46

a mirror reflecting who

48:48

you truly are. How

48:51

deep can these go

48:54

of what value are

48:56

the things we're sharing?

49:00

Not asking you

49:02

to create look,

49:04

learn to really

49:06

look. Of the

49:08

most important thing

49:11

in life, Girdi.

49:13

Yes, not just

49:15

what you're looking

49:17

at, but where

49:19

you're looking from

49:21

and who you're

49:24

looking as. to

49:26

also transcend the

49:28

idea and the

49:30

identity of being

49:32

like growing proud

49:34

with your knowledge.

49:36

Because that's also

49:39

phenomenal, you don't

49:41

need it. Joy,

49:43

yes, joy is

49:45

a good ice

49:47

perfume. What is

49:49

happening as we

49:52

speak and as

49:54

we listen? Can

50:01

you feel

50:03

this tumor

50:05

of tightness

50:07

is not

50:09

moving? And

50:11

actually, that's

50:13

kind of

50:15

where you

50:17

are, is

50:19

it so?

50:21

Who has

50:23

imprisoned you?

50:30

from the place

50:33

where you're looking

50:35

where even the

50:38

act of seeing

50:40

is perceived. Even

50:43

the function of

50:46

perception is perceived

50:48

by what? Can

50:51

that itself be

50:54

perceived? Now. Don't

50:56

be taking notes.

50:59

Verifiable. Now. There

51:01

is someone share

51:04

with me that

51:07

there's some fear

51:09

and the fear

51:12

amounted to. There's

51:14

a fear that

51:17

to follow this

51:20

is to cease

51:22

to exist. I

51:29

felt it was a

51:32

very good point to

51:34

listen to here, because

51:36

it means that that

51:38

fear is alive inside.

51:40

Because it's like the

51:42

fear of the unknown.

51:44

And I want to

51:46

tell you, you are

51:48

the unknown. To the

51:50

mind. It's only unknown

51:53

because you station, we

51:55

station ourselves in the

51:57

domain of the domain.

52:00

to the mind, the mind

52:02

field, it's also an expression

52:05

of the true. Who

52:07

has the correct mind?

52:09

If it's mixed with

52:11

ego or personhood,

52:14

your vision is

52:16

faulty. Should you clean

52:18

your vision to see

52:20

the world in the right

52:23

way? Forget about it. Your

52:28

vision will be automatically, is

52:31

that right? When you see

52:33

from where you are seeing

52:36

that even vision itself

52:38

is phenomenal to you.

52:40

This food is for eating.

52:43

Your mind won't take away.

52:45

Your mind won't take away.

52:48

Your mind won't take away.

52:50

Your mind won't take

52:52

away. Your mind won't take

52:55

away. Your mind won't take

52:57

away. If

53:03

you're eating enjoying, do

53:05

you have to be

53:08

thinking how much calories

53:10

is in the food?

53:12

Whether there is, you know,

53:15

what salt you use,

53:17

what are you just

53:19

enjoying? You have to

53:21

ask the body if

53:23

it's enjoying? How are

53:26

you feeling empty or

53:28

full? Both,

53:32

both is good.

53:34

May I tell

53:36

you something

53:39

sees empty and

53:41

full? Yes. What

53:44

is its status?

53:47

No status.

53:50

Is this

53:53

disappointing and

53:56

depressing discovery?

54:00

We're not in

54:02

the world, we're

54:04

using thought to

54:07

discover that which

54:09

is the source

54:12

of thought. So

54:14

am I giving

54:17

you more thought?

54:19

Who are you

54:22

here? Who precisely

54:24

are you? Who

54:30

are you in the

54:32

light of our introspection

54:35

and our probing internally?

54:37

Who are you? Whatever

54:40

shape you may be

54:42

holding on to, is

54:44

it phenomenal or non-

54:47

phenomenal? Will it not

54:49

be phenomenal? Is your

54:52

reality provable only in

54:54

the realm of the

54:57

phenomenal? Can

55:03

any phenomenon judge

55:06

the reality of

55:09

another phenomenon? Is

55:11

this talk merely

55:14

intellectual? And I

55:16

need to hear

55:19

from you. Okay,

55:21

but okay. Unfinished?

55:36

Tell me, tell me,

55:38

give me you. You

55:40

know, you can determine,

55:42

only you can determine.

55:44

Slow down, slow down.

55:47

I ask, is it

55:49

finished? And you look,

55:51

something, look, but what

55:53

is the question? What

55:55

is my question? Is

55:57

it finished? Is it

56:00

optional? Your answer. May

56:02

I ask? Is it

56:04

in itself finished? Because

56:06

in itself that made

56:08

as all things they

56:11

subside. You know you

56:13

have these Vasanic energies

56:15

that come up and

56:17

then they cause a

56:19

lot of trouble and

56:22

then they... And then

56:24

it feels like it's

56:26

over. Is it over?

56:28

You see? Is it

56:30

gone? No, it's subside.

56:32

It's still there at

56:35

some level, but it's

56:37

not quaking. I'm asking

56:39

that because I saw

56:41

one short thing. I

56:43

very much enjoy travel

56:46

report, but a woman

56:48

was from in Italy.

56:50

It was a beautiful

56:52

title. It says, live

56:54

in the shadow of

56:57

Vesebio. Vesebio is the...

56:59

Volkene. Vesuvil. Vesuvil. Vesuvil.

57:01

Vesuvil. Vesuvil. Okay. On

57:03

the shadow of this

57:05

volcano. In? Napole. I

57:08

think the Neapolitans or...

57:10

What do you call

57:12

Neppolitans? The people from

57:14

there? Neapolitan. Because I

57:16

was thinking high screen,

57:18

but anyway. She was

57:21

saying, Neppolitan. They almost

57:23

like they live with

57:25

the energy of this

57:27

place. living on the

57:29

shadow of this. It's

57:32

already burst one time

57:34

and devastating. Now the

57:36

city, the most vibrant

57:38

place, I saw. We

57:40

went there because I

57:43

went with you now,

57:45

so we went to...

57:47

Yeah. We went to

57:49

travel there and... And

57:51

it says, living on

57:53

the shadow of this

57:56

bill. So it means

57:58

that this volcano, it's

58:00

alive. were presently quiet.

58:02

And life goes... Pizza!

58:04

Pizza! It's amazing. I

58:07

love the feeling there.

58:09

All this is just

58:11

so alive. In this

58:13

way, life is not

58:15

a very energy and

58:18

dynamic. It's maybe a

58:20

good place like that.

58:22

Is this this force?

58:24

Has it been healed

58:26

or is it just

58:28

subsided? Are we living

58:31

under the shadow of

58:33

Mount Eagle? On Vesebio,

58:35

say the word Vesib.

58:37

Vesubio. Vesubio. Okay. Plenty

58:39

of Italians to correct

58:42

me around this one.

58:44

And what does it

58:46

matter if it subsides

58:48

without being cured? Because

58:50

we're here to be

58:53

cured, no? Very little

58:55

comeback, okay. I'm

58:57

not a performer, okay?

58:59

This is a, this

59:02

is a interactive Satsang,

59:04

huh? To look, huh?

59:06

It doesn't really matter.

59:08

It, see. Whether it

59:10

subside and its subsidence

59:12

is permanent or just

59:14

temporary. Answer, come, it

59:17

doesn't matter. Why it

59:19

doesn't matter? Why it

59:21

doesn't matter? Interesting response

59:23

for me. You stay

59:25

with the witness. What's

59:27

so great about the

59:30

witness? You stay with

59:32

the witness. What's so

59:34

great about the witness?

59:36

Shots going off. Grenades

59:38

are going off in

59:40

the head and then

59:42

I was like, whoa,

59:45

no, like, whoa, no,

59:47

like, whoa, no, I

59:49

can't talk right now.

59:51

I need some time

59:53

by myself. well do

59:55

also. But now even.

59:58

If it's subside, or

1:00:00

some people I wish

1:00:02

would go away, please

1:00:04

take this away, please

1:00:06

take this away. Another

1:00:08

one kind of said,

1:00:10

no, put put petrol,

1:00:13

put petrol, whatever, these

1:00:15

things. And another response

1:00:17

come, it doesn't matter.

1:00:19

It doesn't matter if

1:00:21

it come or when

1:00:23

it subsides. Why? It

1:00:25

doesn't matter. Why it

1:00:28

doesn't matter. Why it

1:00:30

doesn't matter. Why and

1:00:32

when it doesn't matter?

1:00:34

Why it doesn't matter?

1:00:36

I think the answer

1:00:38

is coming from somewhere

1:00:41

with it. Okay, because...

1:00:43

Maybe it used to

1:00:45

matter. But from the

1:00:47

place you're speaking, that

1:00:49

somehow from the place

1:00:51

of the witness, there

1:00:53

isn't a victim. Yes,

1:00:56

there is a kind of

1:00:58

theatrical, there's a kind of

1:01:01

victim, it used to be

1:01:03

called me. Like, I don't

1:01:05

like that. When people say

1:01:07

this thing, I don't like

1:01:09

that, it's all, so somebody

1:01:12

says something, peanuts and, yeah,

1:01:14

who said peanuts, man? And

1:01:16

so that becomes a fireball,

1:01:18

and then somebody says, man,

1:01:20

but it's just peanuts, you

1:01:23

again, blah, blah, blah, blah,

1:01:25

blah. Okay, so, but then

1:01:27

at some point, something, he

1:01:29

says, actually. Maybe the same

1:01:31

person who had this penis

1:01:34

problem. Don't repeat, okay? Who

1:01:36

had this penis problem? Maybe

1:01:38

this one itself now at

1:01:40

another point is saying it

1:01:42

doesn't matter. Why are you

1:01:45

laughing so much? Okay. He's

1:01:47

saying it doesn't matter. Because

1:01:49

previously it would have mattered.

1:01:51

Why is it now it

1:01:54

doesn't matter? Or is it

1:01:56

just is it that it

1:01:58

doesn't matter? for now? It

1:02:00

is, there is, like you

1:02:02

can witness and then just

1:02:05

be with the floor when

1:02:07

the thing is there, you

1:02:09

can witness and take the

1:02:11

opportunity that is going to

1:02:13

be transcended. And may I

1:02:16

say that it's going to

1:02:18

subside, it's going to come

1:02:20

back, and eventually it's going

1:02:22

to be gone because this

1:02:24

is a rhythm of... of

1:02:28

life. It loses, it loses,

1:02:30

it loses its potency. Yeah.

1:02:32

Because it doesn't get fed

1:02:34

with what? Identity. With identity.

1:02:37

And whether you dismiss it

1:02:39

with force because you don't

1:02:41

want to feel it or

1:02:44

you fight it with force

1:02:46

because you don't want to

1:02:48

feel it. Yeah. You are

1:02:50

giving it energy. As much

1:02:53

as you can witness. is

1:02:55

coming and subsiding and coming.

1:02:57

It's going to leave at

1:02:59

some point. It's not important

1:03:02

how long it takes. What

1:03:04

happened if it doesn't work?

1:03:06

You can't, you can't seem

1:03:08

to come out of it.

1:03:11

In the storm, just somehow,

1:03:13

stay as a witness, stay

1:03:15

as a witness, stay as

1:03:17

a witness, work as long

1:03:20

as they say. You have

1:03:22

tried, you can report from

1:03:24

experience. What happened? Like it

1:03:27

just won't go away, just

1:03:29

going away. Is that the

1:03:31

response? It won't go away?

1:03:33

Tell me something, give me

1:03:36

some space. Yeah? It always

1:03:38

goes away, something. Yeah, it

1:03:40

always goes, everything eventually go

1:03:42

away. But my point is

1:03:45

that. Who

1:03:50

is going and coming for? She's saying

1:03:52

it's not that it's there or not,

1:03:54

but who is coming for and going

1:03:57

is very important It's the one that

1:03:59

is disturbed. Yes And

1:04:02

the very fact that there

1:04:04

is one who is disturbed

1:04:06

or is terrible is a

1:04:09

place to apply your own

1:04:11

sadana. Why? Because as long

1:04:13

as the force of person

1:04:16

who would perpetuate, you see,

1:04:18

the, not that it appear,

1:04:21

it can appear. This is

1:04:23

freedom, it appears, anything can

1:04:25

appear. And if we're going

1:04:28

as time also, but to

1:04:30

do the work. Which is

1:04:32

when it's there, what is

1:04:35

the work? Which is to,

1:04:37

you know, be aware, okay,

1:04:39

the body is... Can you,

1:04:42

can you witness this? Of

1:04:44

course you can. Of course

1:04:47

you can. Of course you

1:04:49

can. Even shaking, can you

1:04:51

witness this? Yeah. Is the

1:04:54

witness disturbed? No. Very, but

1:04:56

not. So it's a great

1:04:58

opportunity. Why

1:05:01

is it to get

1:05:03

away from feelings? No.

1:05:05

No, it's not to

1:05:07

get away from feelings.

1:05:09

Make use of them

1:05:11

because it's opportunity they

1:05:13

come to reveal, to

1:05:16

show something deeper, purer,

1:05:18

not even more stable,

1:05:20

beyond even stable or

1:05:22

unstable. The real. And

1:05:24

in my experience, it's

1:05:26

very helpful because it's...

1:05:28

It can be, I

1:05:30

don't know if it's

1:05:33

easier is the right

1:05:35

term, but it can

1:05:37

really help to really

1:05:39

go beyond this identification,

1:05:41

more than more sweet

1:05:43

feelings. Yeah, yeah. Which

1:05:45

also are very good

1:05:47

to... It's part of

1:05:50

the joys there also

1:05:52

for that. Yeah. A

1:05:54

sense of relief, why

1:05:56

not? It's all there.

1:05:58

But it's all still

1:06:00

phenomenal. Exactly. It's beautifully

1:06:02

phenomenal. And it's... We

1:06:04

are happy to... So

1:06:07

we don't, maybe we

1:06:09

don't question that also

1:06:11

the sense of, like

1:06:13

this identification with the

1:06:15

sense of relief. Because

1:06:17

it's fine. So it's,

1:06:19

it's, yeah. So what's

1:06:21

the, what's the highest

1:06:24

realization out of a

1:06:26

situation like this? What's

1:06:28

the greatest value then?

1:06:30

You may say, actually.

1:06:32

Something got tranquilized, it

1:06:34

became calm again. And

1:06:36

what's up? What's the

1:06:38

height of this thing?

1:06:41

She said the confirmation

1:06:43

that you never moved.

1:06:45

You being what never

1:06:47

moved. Is this value

1:06:49

you guys? Thank you.

1:06:51

It's got to be

1:06:53

of value, but only

1:06:55

if you value it's.

1:06:58

a new, a feature

1:07:00

in our existence? No,

1:07:02

it's always been here.

1:07:04

What we are searching

1:07:06

for is not to

1:07:08

turn every situation into

1:07:10

a beautiful experience, but

1:07:12

to find out who

1:07:15

the experience is, and

1:07:17

realize that the experience

1:07:19

is not even personal,

1:07:21

that even the personal

1:07:23

is also experienced, is

1:07:25

also part, and that

1:07:27

we don't have to...

1:07:29

sort out the manifestation,

1:07:32

you need to know

1:07:34

what you are, and

1:07:36

not a psychological or

1:07:38

a mental or conceptual

1:07:40

or what you may

1:07:42

call, you know, not

1:07:44

a philosophical discovery. It's

1:07:46

just the end of

1:07:49

suffering and the realization

1:07:51

of one's true nature

1:07:53

beyond conceptual satisfaction beyond

1:07:55

conceptual satisfaction. When?

1:08:01

Where

1:08:06

is

1:08:09

this

1:08:15

Where is it most found? In

1:08:17

what direction? Where? true

1:08:26

now?

1:08:31

Can it be untruth?

1:08:33

Even the word truth,

1:08:36

but it means truth

1:08:39

even, it's just a

1:08:41

symbol for this. The

1:08:44

self, God reality,

1:08:46

pure consciousness,

1:08:49

the eternal, the

1:08:51

ever gracious, the

1:08:54

imperishable, the supreme.

1:08:57

Is it that you become

1:08:59

equal? No,

1:09:03

it's beyond

1:09:05

equal, not

1:09:07

equal. One-ness,

1:09:10

meaning off.

1:09:12

Do we

1:09:15

need off?

1:09:17

Do we

1:09:19

need some

1:09:22

notebooks? Take

1:09:24

some notes?

1:09:26

Why not?

1:09:33

experience, a

1:09:35

direct experience. If

1:09:37

it's a mental understanding only, make

1:09:40

a note. only make a

1:09:42

note, the mind is doing it.

1:09:44

It's okay too, some people

1:09:46

need to, but do you need

1:09:48

to make notes? Is it recorded?

1:09:51

Yeah, we're recording. Others can

1:09:53

see, we have many friends

1:09:56

joining us from different parts

1:09:58

of the world. today's

1:10:00

Satsang, are they

1:10:02

less, are they

1:10:05

have, is their

1:10:07

advantage, are they

1:10:09

at a lessening

1:10:11

advantage? Because they

1:10:13

are online, then

1:10:16

you, no. Even

1:10:32

if you are far,

1:10:34

far, far away online,

1:10:36

your experiences, I'm here.

1:10:38

Your experience of yourself,

1:10:41

I'm here. You're always,

1:10:43

I am here. Go

1:10:45

to the moon. Where

1:10:47

are you, son? I'm

1:10:50

here. On the moon,

1:10:52

I'm here. You never

1:10:54

say, I'm there. You

1:10:56

may say, I want

1:10:59

to go there, but

1:11:01

I'm always here. This

1:11:03

here and the sense

1:11:05

I am. They are

1:11:08

one. It's not personal.

1:11:10

But the person is

1:11:12

its play and is

1:11:14

its joy also and

1:11:16

its wisdom dancing also.

1:11:19

But each one will

1:11:21

grow in understanding, experiential

1:11:23

understanding, grasping, growing, expanding

1:11:25

in what joy, limitlessness.

1:11:29

Is your farm

1:11:31

limitless? No. It's

1:11:34

a construct. Is

1:11:36

the self a

1:11:39

construct? There is

1:11:41

a field now.

1:11:44

There is a

1:11:47

presence of something.

1:11:49

Yes or not?

1:11:52

Yes. What is

1:11:54

it? Speak.

1:12:00

given to

1:12:02

that which

1:12:05

is everywhere.

1:12:07

The very

1:12:09

ground, the

1:12:12

heart of

1:12:14

being. What

1:12:16

language is

1:12:19

it? Consciousness

1:12:21

is its

1:12:23

language? Consciousness

1:12:25

is its

1:12:28

language? Hold

1:12:38

on to your self-definition,

1:12:41

hold on, hold on,

1:12:43

hold on, hold on,

1:12:46

to your problem. Actually,

1:12:48

all problems, there's a

1:12:51

search to solve them,

1:12:54

but also to dissolve

1:12:56

them. And it's dissolved

1:12:59

in real understanding, meaning

1:13:01

they lose their influence.

1:13:04

and their effect and

1:13:06

impact. Were we not

1:13:09

supposed to feel this?

1:13:11

We are supposed to

1:13:14

feel. We are permitted

1:13:17

to have all those

1:13:19

different flavors of experience

1:13:22

to make use of

1:13:24

them to transcend into

1:13:27

full realization of your

1:13:29

true nature. If

1:13:36

we are hoping that

1:13:39

in this realization of

1:13:41

the self, will I

1:13:43

have money? Will I

1:13:45

have a worldly success?

1:13:47

Maybe, maybe not. It's

1:13:49

not our future here.

1:13:51

You have worldly success

1:13:54

now? I don't know

1:13:56

what it means. Thank

1:14:07

you. I really want to

1:14:09

expose also that something that's

1:14:11

been with me for a

1:14:14

long time that I feel

1:14:16

like yeah strategize my way

1:14:18

out of it a lot

1:14:21

but it's more around this

1:14:23

like fear of survival and

1:14:25

yesterday I could see that

1:14:28

it flared up when I

1:14:30

was at the market because

1:14:32

something happened so I went

1:14:34

and sat a little bit.

1:14:37

And I remember when Pram

1:14:39

said and then start saying

1:14:41

about this, I thought, where

1:14:44

is that that also to

1:14:46

completely release from it? And

1:14:48

then it came, I felt

1:14:51

like, it feels like I'm

1:14:53

holding on to it because

1:14:55

I've never known life without

1:14:58

it, you know, like I've

1:15:00

never truly lived a life

1:15:02

without this like... fear

1:15:05

of maybe not being taken

1:15:07

care of like and it's

1:15:09

all I can see that

1:15:12

it's an ego construct it's

1:15:14

really becoming quite clear that

1:15:16

it's created this hyper independence

1:15:18

also within my being that

1:15:20

I can do it myself

1:15:22

or like I am like

1:15:24

when when something comes and

1:15:27

I get so triggered like

1:15:29

there's this feeling of like

1:15:31

I am absolutely be Like

1:15:33

really and I can see

1:15:35

that there's a non-reality of

1:15:37

it also because I'm surrounded

1:15:40

by so much abundance but

1:15:42

inside it's really it's robbing

1:15:44

my life and it has

1:15:46

done for a very long

1:15:48

time. Yes. And you know

1:15:50

I had these anxiety attacks

1:15:52

and I didn't realize that

1:15:55

I was having anxiety attacks

1:15:57

they would just come and

1:15:59

they were so like they

1:16:01

were... so strong but through

1:16:03

Satsang I learned to be

1:16:05

with them without the story

1:16:08

of them and it became

1:16:10

easier when yeah can I

1:16:12

use something here let's take

1:16:14

let's start with this little

1:16:16

thing now about big thing

1:16:18

but the anxiety attacks give

1:16:21

me something give me some

1:16:23

food to work with anxiety

1:16:25

attacks the attacks are happening

1:16:27

Just put some pictures, put

1:16:29

some meat on the bone

1:16:31

here, the attacks are actually

1:16:33

happening to what and who.

1:16:36

Just slow it down, don't

1:16:38

just assume, the same, just

1:16:40

look at your answers, the

1:16:42

attacks are happening, of course

1:16:44

internally, some energies are moving

1:16:46

about and so on, about

1:16:49

the thought that what might

1:16:51

happen? I'm

1:16:53

not entirely sure what the

1:16:55

anxiety attacks were about because

1:16:57

Like I said when I

1:16:59

when but what you're speaking

1:17:01

about them now Yeah, so

1:17:03

what anxiety attacks are now?

1:17:05

There's no anxiety attacks now,

1:17:08

but there is this underlying

1:17:10

fear here that's as always

1:17:12

here whether it's highly active

1:17:14

so does it come spontaneously

1:17:16

or you call it up

1:17:18

or some situation? The situation

1:17:20

that usually happens to make

1:17:22

it really alive is Always

1:17:24

got something to do with

1:17:26

financial stuff You know, or

1:17:28

like like what God's really

1:17:30

doing recently is like he's

1:17:32

Taking things away like Like

1:17:34

my rent goes up my

1:17:36

my car goes into the

1:17:38

garage my work dries up

1:17:40

and all the while it's

1:17:42

like But I can see

1:17:44

that it's necessary also because

1:17:46

there's such a stubbornness there

1:17:49

to I'm like good. I'm

1:17:51

good. I'm good I'm good

1:17:53

and like this satisfying you

1:17:55

had in Little Jamaica recently

1:17:57

where you were talking about

1:17:59

people not became because and

1:18:01

you said you're drowning and

1:18:03

I realize I'm also drowning

1:18:05

but I didn't realize I was

1:18:07

are you and your mind the same

1:18:09

thing just for just let the question

1:18:12

be asked take a moment we

1:18:14

don't know hurry are you your sense

1:18:16

of who you are and your mind the

1:18:18

same thing just take a moment

1:18:20

don't want just reflex answers

1:18:22

because I think I don't

1:18:24

want right answers you want

1:18:27

to true truly You

1:18:29

and your mind.

1:18:32

The same thing?

1:18:34

Okay, you and

1:18:37

your thoughts and

1:18:40

feelings. The

1:18:42

same thing? Okay,

1:18:45

so the

1:18:47

feelings and

1:18:49

thoughts, they

1:18:51

move relative

1:18:54

to you.

1:18:56

relative to the one

1:18:59

you call yourself. The thoughts

1:19:01

and feelings are the traffic

1:19:03

that come and go, isn't

1:19:06

it? The you is more

1:19:08

stable, okay? Okay. Is

1:19:10

the you constant?

1:19:12

You're constantly always

1:19:14

the you take yourself to

1:19:17

be? No, it's like

1:19:19

a mix between person

1:19:21

and presence. It feels

1:19:23

like not constant. And if

1:19:25

I said... Now, just right

1:19:28

now. Only right now.

1:19:30

I'm only right now.

1:19:32

Because there is a little

1:19:34

trouble about reporting about

1:19:37

something that was and

1:19:39

the will-beas. But the

1:19:42

now and the now,

1:19:45

because now, the juices

1:19:47

are most alive right

1:19:50

now. So what is your

1:19:52

seeing? Report of

1:19:54

now. So there's a lot of density

1:19:56

in my body right now, which I'm

1:19:58

able to observe. And

1:20:02

I can't give you a total

1:20:04

clear answer about that possession actually

1:20:07

because No, what was my question

1:20:09

you remember what the question was

1:20:11

as you and your mind same

1:20:14

thing Because we speak a lot

1:20:16

about the mind which I put

1:20:18

as the feelings and all the

1:20:20

information come through the senses how

1:20:23

I feel at the moment what

1:20:25

I don't like how I was

1:20:27

and what I would like things

1:20:30

to be, and I'm having this

1:20:32

problem. A lot of reports that

1:20:34

come from mine. The one who

1:20:36

is reporting about the mind, or

1:20:39

you talk about your mind and

1:20:41

your life and yourself, are the

1:20:43

same thing? One thing, same thing?

1:20:46

No, it's not the same thing.

1:20:48

Okay, okay, okay. Which

1:21:01

is the one the

1:21:04

point from which perceiving

1:21:06

of the others? Happen

1:21:09

The life The senses

1:21:11

and mind or the

1:21:14

sense of the person

1:21:17

Which one we couldn't

1:21:19

do? If you take

1:21:22

one out there the

1:21:24

rest don't matter which

1:21:27

one you can take

1:21:29

out? of myself, my

1:21:32

mind, and say my

1:21:34

life. Which one you

1:21:37

can take one out

1:21:39

and the rest don't

1:21:42

exist? If I take

1:21:44

out myself, the rest

1:21:47

don't exist. Right. So

1:21:49

the rest are depending

1:21:52

upon yourself. Yeah. And

1:21:54

yourself being what? Everybody's

1:22:00

question by the way. I don't

1:22:03

just want to give you like

1:22:05

a... No, I won't accept. Because

1:22:07

I really would like to be

1:22:09

free of this today actually before

1:22:11

I go. Isn't this person that

1:22:13

you're referring to as I really

1:22:16

want to is also part of

1:22:18

mind and mind also? Isn't that

1:22:20

what the mind is saying? I

1:22:22

really don't want to leave here

1:22:24

with this, you know, with my

1:22:26

mind. Isn't that also sort of

1:22:28

mind? So

1:22:31

you are what if you're

1:22:33

seeing that whatever the mind

1:22:35

is whatever the person is

1:22:38

saying you know yeah but

1:22:40

you know last week was

1:22:42

like this and you know

1:22:45

I keep having this these

1:22:47

things and stuff is that

1:22:49

other than mind? And every

1:22:52

time I try to just

1:22:54

sit and really just think

1:22:56

about it, it's just okay.

1:22:59

Is that other than mind?

1:23:01

I'm going to put identity

1:23:03

as being part of mind.

1:23:06

Can I, can we go

1:23:08

a little bit? I was

1:23:10

always like mind was always

1:23:13

like thoughts, but now it's

1:23:15

like, oh, okay, that's also

1:23:17

mind. Is not the thinker

1:23:20

of thought, also thought? Is

1:23:22

the thinker stable? So

1:23:26

would it hurt if

1:23:28

I include the thinker

1:23:31

of the thought that's

1:23:33

also thought from us?

1:23:36

How dare you? No,

1:23:38

here's the thinker also.

1:23:41

Thought meaning is something

1:23:43

phenomenal and observable. Is

1:23:46

the person also observable

1:23:48

or not? Only

1:23:54

there? Only one

1:23:56

person? So it's

1:23:58

a... Thank you.

1:24:00

Help me, please.

1:24:02

Okay? It is

1:24:04

observable, but what

1:24:06

is it observable?

1:24:08

Is that personal?

1:24:10

Madam. So you're

1:24:12

telling me that

1:24:15

the one that's

1:24:17

thinking the thought.

1:24:19

Okay. The one

1:24:21

that's thinking the

1:24:23

thought is also

1:24:25

a thought? Yes.

1:24:32

Think about it. On what

1:24:35

basis can it be said

1:24:37

that that is a thought?

1:24:40

On what basis? Credible basis

1:24:42

can that be said that

1:24:45

that is a thought? What?

1:24:47

It can be perceived. The

1:24:50

person can be perceived. The

1:24:52

person can be perceived. The

1:24:55

biography you're right, is it

1:24:57

you? Is

1:25:03

that person a constant,

1:25:05

nuisance, sorry, a constant,

1:25:08

this person is a

1:25:10

factor, this is the

1:25:12

identity, who you take

1:25:14

yourself to be, what

1:25:17

you were, all of

1:25:19

these are mind states

1:25:21

or mind constructs or

1:25:23

not? Oh, does it

1:25:25

matter that we talked?

1:25:28

Okay, observed by what?

1:25:30

Known by what? Yeah,

1:25:35

no answers must not

1:25:37

be theoretical answers must

1:25:39

be direct You cannot

1:25:41

be speaking on behalf

1:25:43

of that What my

1:25:45

question is okay that

1:25:48

which is observing mind

1:25:50

and its world? Cences

1:25:52

and their play is

1:25:54

that the mind you

1:25:56

say no? Okay. What

1:25:58

is it? And

1:26:01

I don't want the right

1:26:03

answers conceptually.

1:26:05

What is it that knows

1:26:07

this, that sees that,

1:26:09

but that's also mine?

1:26:11

Because this, even to

1:26:13

come to this point,

1:26:15

is not normal in our

1:26:18

world. We're talking, you see

1:26:20

my passport, I exist, you

1:26:22

know? I have a vote,

1:26:25

I voted last week. This

1:26:27

one, is it constant?

1:26:30

Is it a form of

1:26:32

mind or totally independent of

1:26:34

mind? Or is it kind

1:26:36

of like a mind split

1:26:38

where it's kind of, is

1:26:40

kind of mind and kind

1:26:42

of something else? Yes, I

1:26:44

would say that. I would

1:26:46

say everything is a part

1:26:48

of something greater. Everything. So

1:26:51

the mind, the ego. The

1:26:53

devil, the life is all

1:26:55

a part of something greater,

1:26:58

which includes all of it,

1:27:00

but itself is beyond all

1:27:02

its play. The clue is the

1:27:05

witness in the capacity

1:27:07

to observe. If the

1:27:10

person and its world,

1:27:12

its history, its biography

1:27:14

and autobiography are

1:27:16

observable phenomena, what

1:27:19

is observing this? Can that

1:27:21

be observed? and

1:27:24

if it can

1:27:27

be observed

1:27:30

by what?

1:27:32

This class

1:27:35

is an

1:27:38

experiential environment.

1:27:44

So you said

1:27:46

the thinker?

1:27:50

of the thoughts is also a thought

1:27:53

and if the thinker doesn't have

1:27:55

any thoughts the thinker could

1:27:57

still be there but not

1:27:59

cause much trouble like

1:28:01

the identity could still

1:28:04

be there. Tell me

1:28:07

I thought that you

1:28:09

that that is not

1:28:12

there that you're suffering

1:28:14

from. Just in its

1:28:17

absence. I won't tell

1:28:19

it. I don't you

1:28:22

don't know that doesn't

1:28:25

make any sense. Just

1:28:27

that? Maybe

1:28:32

in the world of

1:28:34

nonsense, it makes perfect

1:28:36

sense. My question still

1:28:38

is there. Do we

1:28:41

have to revert to

1:28:43

theory to address this

1:28:45

question of mine? That

1:28:47

if the mind, take

1:28:49

a little time to

1:28:51

get over the shock,

1:28:53

if it means, like

1:28:56

you mean, my person

1:28:58

is also a thought,

1:29:00

yes. Who's

1:29:02

thought? Well, find out.

1:29:05

Oh, it is your

1:29:07

sister's thought. You mean

1:29:09

my existence? Is my

1:29:11

sister's? No, no, no.

1:29:14

Well, you know, sorry,

1:29:16

it's not yours. Who's

1:29:18

is it? Who's thought?

1:29:20

Is it? Oh, it's

1:29:23

God. Ah. No, let's

1:29:25

leave him a lot,

1:29:27

picture. Who's thought, is

1:29:29

it? It's

1:29:33

me? Me being what? We

1:29:35

got the person up on

1:29:37

the screen now. Me being

1:29:40

what now? Because if there's

1:29:42

no thoughts really, it's just,

1:29:45

you're just perceiving without any

1:29:47

almost distortion. Yes, you being

1:29:50

what perceiving? Slow down, it's

1:29:52

okay. These are existential questions,

1:29:54

so I don't want to...

1:29:57

it's not someone that has

1:29:59

like a history you know

1:30:02

like it's not loaded yes

1:30:04

it doesn't feel loaded yes

1:30:07

so it just feels very

1:30:09

natural like it feels very

1:30:11

natural yeah who is who

1:30:14

is presenting this report it

1:30:16

or something on behalf of

1:30:19

it well it it it

1:30:21

feels like it It feels

1:30:23

like it to work. Because

1:30:26

it doesn't, oh yeah, it

1:30:28

feels like it, it doesn't,

1:30:31

I don't know. Isn't that

1:30:33

I don't know a kind

1:30:36

of a state also that

1:30:38

is moments of something that

1:30:40

I don't know? I'm sorry,

1:30:43

we just have to go

1:30:45

to this jungle a little

1:30:48

tiny bit, but today... Like

1:30:50

it doesn't have to report

1:30:52

to something else to be

1:30:55

itself. Right. You know? It's

1:30:57

just... Where is it? It's

1:31:00

just here. It's just here.

1:31:02

Where precisely? It's not like...

1:31:05

Where precisely is it? It

1:31:07

doesn't have a location. Ah,

1:31:09

sorry. I'm sorry to upset

1:31:12

you like this. But there

1:31:14

is a lot of, there's

1:31:17

a very beautiful vibration here

1:31:19

in my heart, but the

1:31:21

seeing is not that. The

1:31:24

seeing? The vibration. It's not

1:31:26

a vibration. It's... can observe

1:31:29

that there's no actual place.

1:31:31

Yeah. You can observe the

1:31:34

vibration from where? Look, I

1:31:36

can observe the flowers. I'm

1:31:38

here, flowers are there. You

1:31:41

can observe the vibration from

1:31:43

where? Well, you know, I'm

1:31:46

looking for that place. There's

1:31:48

no place. There's no place.

1:31:51

Right. Right. Like I can't

1:31:53

tell you odds back here.

1:31:55

Who's saying? Who's saying? There's

1:31:58

no... Who's can confirm that

1:32:00

there's no actual place? as

1:32:03

in a coordinates of a

1:32:05

place. Who is saying? Well,

1:32:07

I'm saying it. As what?

1:32:10

You are who? That's myself?

1:32:12

Which is your passion? No.

1:32:15

Thank you. Just like that.

1:32:17

Does it have a problem?

1:32:20

Does it have a problem?

1:32:22

It has no problems. It's

1:32:24

so beautiful here. It really

1:32:27

is. Can

1:32:30

something come out

1:32:32

of there? No,

1:32:34

that is not

1:32:37

it Nothing can

1:32:39

come out because

1:32:41

nothing ever came

1:32:43

before you know

1:32:46

or even after

1:32:48

yes, it's not

1:32:50

Nothing is added.

1:32:52

Nothing can be

1:32:55

taken away. It's

1:32:57

not like that.

1:32:59

Yes It's like

1:33:01

what it's You

1:33:04

know what, I

1:33:06

can't know I

1:33:08

don't really have

1:33:10

so many words,

1:33:12

but I'm going

1:33:15

to try okay

1:33:17

It feels so

1:33:19

pure that What

1:33:21

is seeing this?

1:33:24

It's seeing from

1:33:26

itself. Yes. Oh.

1:33:28

Mm-hmm. It knows

1:33:30

itself? Mm-hmm. Any

1:33:33

problems? No problems.

1:33:35

Okay. I only

1:33:37

want to talk

1:33:39

to it. When

1:33:42

it has a

1:33:44

problem? You tell

1:33:46

me? I'm so

1:33:48

happy to talk

1:33:50

to you. Very

1:33:53

good. It's nice

1:33:55

to talk to

1:33:57

you without having

1:33:59

a problem. Are

1:34:02

we going back

1:34:04

down this road?

1:34:06

The sense of

1:34:08

a problem is

1:34:11

not something that

1:34:13

yes, they can

1:34:15

be to play

1:34:17

like normal stuff,

1:34:20

you know. interrelationship

1:34:22

activity based in the field of

1:34:25

comings and goings and my back

1:34:27

is hurting and wow I need

1:34:29

to eat something all of this

1:34:31

can be there it's fine but

1:34:34

it's not the same place as

1:34:36

you were previously talking from when

1:34:38

seen in the light of this

1:34:41

somehow it seems a paradox that

1:34:43

this has no problem and what

1:34:45

knows this is it and it

1:34:47

has no problem But there is

1:34:50

in the field something to do

1:34:52

with the problem and the body

1:34:54

and that that that that that

1:34:56

that that that that can be

1:34:59

seen for now And if there

1:35:01

was one answer about what is

1:35:03

truly real? Where would it come

1:35:05

from from the field of the

1:35:08

diversity or from this space of

1:35:10

unicity? Where where where will we

1:35:12

a true response come from? Sorry,

1:35:29

somebody is a problem here.

1:35:31

You have a problem? Want

1:35:34

to share? You don't have,

1:35:36

you have a problem. Oh,

1:35:38

God. A survival. Come. Coming

1:35:41

through this thing, like, again,

1:35:43

and again, that I'm kind

1:35:45

of, something changed for me

1:35:48

when listening to the set

1:35:50

thanks. And I really, it's

1:35:52

fast for me. I really

1:35:55

cannot answer the questions so

1:35:57

fast. Oh good, this good.

1:36:00

There is the part which

1:36:03

I can observe which is

1:36:05

really sad about it and

1:36:07

frustrate or somehow because it's

1:36:09

new There is a fear

1:36:12

if it's going inside I

1:36:14

think Is there not a

1:36:16

space or place you can

1:36:19

call it like that? Which

1:36:21

you say I can't I

1:36:23

can't assimilate your your question

1:36:25

so quickly which I take

1:36:28

forever Is there not a

1:36:30

space, let's call it a

1:36:32

space where I know the

1:36:35

word is, where speed don't

1:36:37

matter? It doesn't have something

1:36:39

to sort out? It is,

1:36:41

but, and I can see

1:36:44

it, it's a character, it

1:36:46

doesn't trust it. Yes, the

1:36:48

character doesn't trust it. Yeah.

1:36:51

Okay. Okay. Which was the

1:36:53

first? Which was there from

1:36:55

you know before the character

1:36:57

or this this place? Which

1:37:00

was first the person or

1:37:02

the presence? You know, you

1:37:04

don't tell me by presence

1:37:07

the sense of being which

1:37:09

is greater which is first

1:37:11

which is it's always the

1:37:13

presence the presence so the

1:37:16

person is born from the

1:37:18

presence Yes, and the person

1:37:20

is born from the presence.

1:37:22

Yes, and the person doesn't

1:37:25

trust the presence I

1:37:28

think it's still... It has

1:37:30

a good cause, it has

1:37:33

reason to... We are in

1:37:35

court. Does the person have

1:37:37

the authentic reason to not

1:37:39

trust its parent? I am

1:37:42

getting started, it feels sometimes

1:37:44

that it's getting through the

1:37:46

head and not through the

1:37:48

heart. Yes, yes. What is

1:37:51

reporting this, the head or

1:37:53

the heart? Both. So

1:37:58

the heart is complaining. about

1:38:00

what the head is saying.

1:38:02

Now I have almost to

1:38:04

do again. No, I'm

1:38:07

really off of simplicity

1:38:09

and simplicity works for

1:38:11

me. The most simple,

1:38:13

what's the most simple

1:38:16

we can be and

1:38:18

still exist? What do

1:38:20

you need absolutely to

1:38:22

be? Let's try that one.

1:38:24

Without which I am not. What

1:38:27

is need? What is need? I

1:38:41

hope you're a little bit,

1:38:43

you can say oxygen

1:38:45

for the body, no

1:38:47

oxygen, no body, okay?

1:38:50

Does the beingness breathe?

1:38:53

Unusual question,

1:38:55

no? Does the beingness,

1:38:57

is it, is the

1:38:59

fair question? I mean,

1:39:01

you are, you have

1:39:03

the capacity to answer

1:39:05

this question to address

1:39:07

this question? Not

1:39:10

that fast. I need to live

1:39:12

with those things much more.

1:39:14

It feels like... In

1:39:16

the meantime, breathing is

1:39:18

happening. Everything is happening.

1:39:20

Okay, good. What are you

1:39:22

doing about the breathing? Nothing.

1:39:24

So whether you are attentive

1:39:26

to the breathing or not, it's

1:39:29

just going to happen. I see

1:39:31

it's there all the time. You see

1:39:33

it there all the time. So

1:39:35

if you can see the

1:39:38

breathing, which is more constant.

1:39:40

than the mind and the

1:39:42

person. I mean, I see that

1:39:44

I am here. You see that

1:39:47

you're here. It's

1:39:49

just here being what?

1:39:51

I saw. You're always

1:39:53

here yourself. Yes.

1:39:55

And yourself being

1:39:58

what? There's

1:40:03

no words for it presence.

1:40:05

There's no word for it.

1:40:07

Any problems there? Never. Never.

1:40:09

Oh, that's a new word,

1:40:12

never. Okay. But we have

1:40:14

to, yes, but, oh, you

1:40:16

have to, very important word,

1:40:18

but, yeah. If you, I

1:40:20

am more speaking from experience

1:40:23

than from the now right

1:40:25

now. Right. So you could

1:40:27

call, if you're not speaking