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first order and a free gift. Jeff

1:05

Patterson is the host of Rinkwide

1:07

Vancouver, our Canucks reporter. He took

1:09

in the proceedings at Rogers Arena

1:12

this morning, which is where he

1:14

joins us from. Jeff, did

1:16

the ground tremble beneath your feet at

1:18

all listening to this? It was crazy

1:20

for us. Was it crazy for you? Yeah.

1:23

I mean, it was seismic in there without

1:25

a doubt, but it's funny because I walked out

1:27

of the room, same room on Friday with

1:29

Rick talking to the players and I thought to

1:32

myself, nothing terribly explosive coming from that. Apparently

1:34

they were the warmup act. We just needed

1:36

a long weekend here and turned out to

1:38

be worth the wait. Yeah. Look, I give

1:40

Jim Breutherford credit. I mean, I thought the

1:42

opening remarks were strong. taking some

1:44

account for a season that went sideways,

1:47

got into some explanations for some of the

1:49

reasons dug in a little deeper. Certainly

1:51

then we had heard from Jim Rutherford aside

1:53

from the quotes to Gary Mason in

1:55

that Globe and Mail article in late January,

1:58

but addressing really the

2:00

reason that this season got away from

2:02

the Vancouver Canucks. And so it went

2:04

from there. It started with a bang

2:06

and there were several more to follow.

2:08

So yes, we've got a lot to

2:10

chew on here in the coming days.

2:13

weeks ahead for the Vancouver Canucks. Was the

2:15

biggest bang the bit about Hughes and

2:17

wanting to play with his brothers and maybe

2:19

even needing to have to bring them

2:21

here, Jeff? I

2:23

suppose. I mean,

2:26

that was the finishing act for

2:28

the 35 or 40 minutes, but the

2:30

fact that they're not going to exercise the option

2:32

on rick talk it guys if this thing goes

2:34

sideways this is a hockey club that's going to

2:37

be without a head coach here by the end

2:39

of the week i don't think they want this

2:41

to drag on uh... they talked rick talk it

2:43

up but had lots of praise for him but

2:45

rick talk it uh... now has some say in

2:47

this matter if they were going to exercise the

2:49

option we knew that it was either going to

2:51

be here in vancouver or he would have to

2:53

sit out from coaching but they've taken away that

2:55

security net i suppose the highwire act now and

2:58

we'll see like you know they've identified

3:00

that this is the guy that they want

3:02

to be back as their head coach

3:04

but if it's as simple as talking to

3:06

give them a dollar figure and they

3:08

don't want to mean it rather for to

3:10

address that as well talking about the

3:12

escalating salaries of coaches and the comfortability of

3:14

the organization to to get to that

3:16

sort of number so this issue is far

3:18

from resolved but you know in the

3:20

grand scheme as you said an offseason course

3:22

here you want to know internally

3:24

who your head coach is but as you

3:26

start to sell your pitch to free agents obviously

3:28

they want to know I mean they would

3:30

have a head coach in place then but I'm

3:32

not sure that I thought that they would

3:34

have to conduct a search for a new head

3:37

coach here sooner rather than later so really

3:39

fascinating to see where this goes and as we've

3:41

been led to believe One

3:43

way or the other, it doesn't sound like

3:45

it's going to take a lot of time

3:47

to reach a resolution. So I do think

3:49

by the end of this week that we

3:51

very well may have a better indication of

3:53

the coaching plans for this hockey club next

3:55

season. Alvin had said something different. Alvin was

3:57

ready to leverage that option here. We heard

3:59

that very recently from him. So does that

4:01

sound like Jim Rutherford has pulled rank there

4:03

and said, no, we're not doing that? That's

4:05

not our style. Is it

4:07

the president of hockey ops or is

4:09

it above him like again if talking has

4:11

thrown them a big number? They

4:14

may be blocking at that, and it

4:16

may be as simple as dollars and cents

4:18

here. So where the disconnect is from

4:20

the organization, I'm not sure, but you're right.

4:23

We had always been led to believe,

4:25

and we had only heard from Alvin. We

4:27

haven't heard from Jim Rutherford in a

4:29

setting like this for a while. So yeah,

4:31

something has changed. And again, we'll see

4:33

if ultimately it's the coach that changes. Guys,

4:35

as we've discussed, exercising the option is

4:37

not really an option. Um,

4:39

for myriad reasons. Number one would

4:41

talk it agreed to do that. Number

4:44

two, you'd have a coach on the

4:46

final year of his contract and rather

4:48

for it addressed that as well,

4:50

which is why what they said originally

4:52

was very odd, but what they said

4:54

is that was tossing toys from the

4:56

print. Like they were upset that

4:58

nothing was done. And so they flexed

5:00

that knowing full well, it was a

5:02

bluff and it wasn't, uh, there was

5:04

no chance that was, that was

5:06

going to happen. Uh, okay. Uh, Jeff.

5:09

Take on the Hughes matter and what

5:11

Rutherford had to say about Hughes and

5:13

keeping him happy and making sure

5:15

there's enough cap space and even having

5:17

to perhaps acquire his brothers. Yeah,

5:19

I mean, I think fans have to be

5:21

pleased, at the very least, to hear the president

5:24

say that, yes, he agreed with the question

5:26

that they've got to do everything in their power

5:28

to keep Quinn happy. They recognize that this

5:30

is a special talent. This is a guy that

5:32

had an exceptional season They've

5:34

got to figure out a way to out

5:36

of harness his super powers because How

5:38

does a defenseman get to 76 points and

5:40

you don't have a forward over 50?

5:42

And that's not a knock on Quinn in

5:44

any way, but they've got to figure

5:46

out when he's on the ice How do

5:48

they turbo charge those shifts and ultimately

5:50

when he's not on the ice? How do

5:52

they tread water a little bit better?

5:54

That's in the short term, but big picture

5:56

here Yeah, I mean it sounded like

5:58

Jim Rutherford was prepared to move heaven and

6:00

earth to make sure that they can

6:02

get Quinn under control contract, but he also

6:04

acknowledged that there are extenuating circumstances here.

6:06

The old Brian Burke line, when they got

6:08

Scott Niedermeyer and Anaheim, he was the

6:10

only general manager that had his brother. And

6:13

that certainly worked into the negotiations

6:15

then. The Niedermeyers played together

6:17

and won together. Will the Hughes

6:19

brothers do that? We know that these

6:21

guys are tight. And it

6:24

wouldn't surprise me if Quinn popped up

6:26

in Jersey here to support his brothers

6:28

and watch them through the playoffs. I

6:31

think it's reassuring to hear from president

6:33

that the organization does recognize and value

6:35

and you would assume they would but

6:37

again I just think it's important to

6:39

hear those words coming from the mouth

6:42

of the president of hockey ops now

6:44

it's a question of how do you

6:46

chart that course and bringing the

6:48

brothers here not so sure that that

6:50

is a plan that actually is ever

6:52

going to play out but yeah we'll

6:54

see if the connex here from

6:56

the league on that one because we know

6:58

Jim Benning got his hand slapped the draft

7:01

the year that he talked about Steven Stamco's

7:03

so the league doesn't take kind of that

7:05

kind of stuff and I'm not sure that

7:07

the devils would either but Jim tried to

7:09

stop himself in his tracks but by then

7:11

I think the cat was was out of

7:13

the bag and we're sorry for our part

7:15

in that Jim Benning. It

7:17

was too bad not Stamco's. Oh

7:20

right okay yes he was the

7:22

one didn't say and Stamco's. The

7:25

other inflammatory thing was about, you

7:27

know, the people above him making

7:29

decisions on a ticket prices and

7:32

be the practice facility. He wanted

7:34

to make sure that it was

7:36

known that both of those things

7:38

were not happening because of anything

7:40

that they were doing, uh, actively

7:43

in hockey ops. Uh, you know,

7:45

we talked about the ramifications with

7:47

the league, with the tamper thing.

7:50

Zoramifications above Jim Rutherford with his answers

7:52

to both of those questions on the

7:54

practice facility and our rising ticket prices

7:56

Well, and he had jokes too when

7:58

he talked about he may not be

8:00

on the job He may not be

8:02

on the earth by the time that

8:04

this practice facility is ultimately built, but

8:06

I think that in itself was news

8:08

that yeah they've exhausted these ideas of

8:10

partnering certainly it sounded like they had

8:13

gone well down the road with UBC

8:15

and for whatever reason that no longer

8:17

sounds like an option so identifying a

8:19

couple of parcels of land we get

8:21

lands expensive we also know that the

8:23

ownership group here could afford it's a

8:25

question of how much they want to

8:27

spend but you know a brand new

8:29

build It takes a while

8:31

in this day and age to get

8:33

a house built, let alone a specific

8:35

facility like a training facility with a

8:37

sheet of ice. So, you know, I

8:39

think we're still like, this is going

8:41

to be a topic of conversation for,

8:43

for years before any sort of shovel

8:45

in the ground, let alone a ribbon

8:47

cutting and, and can actually skating in

8:49

this new facility. So, you know, that's

8:51

where ownership doesn't. get a pass like

8:53

ownership wasn't present here today but you

8:55

know there's enough to go around when

8:57

a season gets off the rails the

8:59

way that this one has and then

9:01

yes they jack the prices you can

9:03

understand the frustration we've all heard it

9:05

uh anecdotally we certainly have seen it

9:07

in social and your mother word wasn't

9:09

backing down and he's not wrong when

9:11

he talked about i mean i thought

9:14

it was good that he laid out

9:16

sort of the economics and yes the

9:18

national hockey league works at american dollars

9:20

but all of the revenue uh is

9:22

in canadian and so There are added

9:24

costs, certainly, to operate a pro franchise

9:26

on this side of the border. All

9:28

of that said, you

9:30

know, there is money. And we know that

9:32

this is an ownership group that's been willing to spend on

9:34

the cap in the past. The cap's going up. The

9:37

suggestion was that that

9:39

spend should continue. So

9:42

ultimately, you know, we'll see where it

9:44

goes there. But yeah, look, I feel for

9:46

the fans. What was it,

9:48

17 home wins in 41 games? Not

9:51

nearly good enough. You know, in terms of

9:53

the entertainment package, people want to

9:55

leave the building feeling good about the team that they

9:57

support, and they didn't get a chance to do

9:59

that nearly enough. And ultimately, one of

10:01

the main reasons that the connexer on the

10:03

outside looking in as 16 other teams vie

10:06

for the Stanley Cup. Center

10:08

is the top priority of

10:10

the organization, and they're going

10:12

to need better than the

10:14

available free agents. Rutherford

10:16

said your reaction to him basically

10:18

laying out plants to make a monster

10:20

trade for a sentiment this summer.

10:23

Well, he stopped short of pulling Donald

10:25

Trump in the Rose Garden there

10:27

on tariffs where he had like that

10:29

chart that he brought out and

10:31

held up for all to see. I

10:33

was like, yeah,

10:35

I mean, again, getting

10:37

caught basically. putting his cards on the

10:39

table there, letting the world know that

10:41

it's going to have to happen through

10:43

trade. Are they going to be active

10:45

in free agency? They've got money to

10:47

spend, but he recognizes that in order

10:49

to get the kind of player that

10:51

they're looking for, it's going to

10:53

come into trade. And he also acknowledges that that's

10:55

going to come at a hefty price. I

10:59

guess I was a little surprised that

11:01

they went that far down the road

11:03

in terms of revealing their plan and

11:06

their path forward here. Now he didn't

11:08

name names, probably a good thing. But

11:10

at the same time, now

11:13

I think we all recognize that first

11:15

round picks are going to have to be

11:17

in play. The

11:19

fact that Tom Olander

11:21

is, and that was my

11:23

question, early in the press conference

11:25

and I thought a startling answer there too

11:27

that Willander had planned to go back to

11:29

school like does he now become a trade

11:31

ship? I woke up this morning thinking we

11:34

are gonna get a little more clarity from

11:36

the Canucks on the Willander situation and some

11:38

confidence that this was just posturing a negotiation

11:40

and ultimately it may be but if the

11:42

Canucks have been told by the Willander camp

11:44

that he's planning to go back for a

11:46

third year you know does he now just

11:48

become an asset to

11:50

the Vancouver Canucks that they can use

11:52

in a deal to address some of the

11:54

needs and allow another team to figure

11:56

out, ultimately, what it's going to take to

11:59

get them under contract, because Patrick Alvin

12:01

basically said, we've put all this money on

12:03

the table. It doesn't seem to be

12:05

swang him in any way. And it also

12:07

sounded like maybe they were even a

12:09

little surprised that he has gone back to

12:11

Sweden now and is going to be

12:13

skating with the Swedish national team, whether he

12:15

makes that team for the world, we

12:17

shall see. But yes. The Vancouver

12:19

Canucks, as of this morning, have

12:22

put the rest of the league on notice

12:24

that they are open for business on the

12:26

trade front and that they are willing to

12:28

part with some significant assets to improve the

12:30

roster here. What does

12:32

that even mean? You have

12:34

to give to guests.

12:36

Wheelander alone does not do

12:38

it. Like, what are

12:40

we talking about? Because the willingness to

12:42

trade Pederson was also discussed. But

12:45

at that point, you're just, you're just

12:47

kind of swapping out first line centers. You'd

12:49

need more on, he said they needed

12:51

three forwards. And I think he meant in

12:53

addition to Elias Pederson, you trade Elias

12:55

Pederson, don't you need four? So like, how

12:57

do you possibly get a package

12:59

that gets you a decent second line

13:01

center? Yeah,

13:04

this is exactly the challenge that

13:06

they are facing and if anybody

13:08

thought it was gonna be easy

13:10

To rework this roster, you know,

13:12

they did some of their handiwork

13:14

in season I agree with them

13:16

goal tennings in a reasonable spot

13:18

as long as that your Demko

13:20

is healthy And Kevin Lankinen obviously

13:22

was terrific ad for them, but

13:24

You know then the defense core

13:26

that they have Reshaped in season,

13:28

but yes, they need help up

13:30

front and so to your question

13:32

Blake You know, first -rounder is

13:34

a starting point. We've talked

13:36

about this as much as they don't want

13:38

to probably entertain it, given what they

13:41

saw from the 25 games that he played

13:43

for them. I would think most teams

13:45

would start their conversation in terms of warm

13:47

bodies with DPD. You

13:49

know, what does that get

13:51

them in terms of a first -rounder

13:53

and a legit now national hockey

13:55

league? Barely a prospect. I

13:58

mean, I think the plan is

14:00

that he's going to be here unless

14:02

he's somewhere else. So, you know,

14:04

is that enough? Does a first rounder

14:06

and DP allow them to attack

14:08

the center race position? Do

14:10

they have to sweeten that package

14:12

even more? Their

14:14

hands are tied, though, if they. truly believe that

14:16

they're going to get better here. They're

14:19

going to have to be ready to pony

14:21

up with a significant package of assets. And I

14:23

do think that the conversation probably starts with

14:25

that first rounder and a player like DP. Well,

14:27

I, I wonder if we land or in

14:29

the first round pick gets you Horvath. We, we

14:31

have talks. There are going to be very

14:33

few teams out there peddling first or second line

14:35

centers. You basically have to find a team

14:37

in transition. We don't know what's going on with

14:40

Lou Lamarello, whether he'll be back, but if

14:42

the Islanders are looking. to

14:44

retool, I wonder if Wheelan or

14:46

Inferst gets you most of

14:48

the way to Horvath. Well,

14:50

let me stop you there, Matt. First

14:52

of all, that

14:54

would require this ownership group and

14:56

management to swallow its pride in

14:58

a big way. Now,

15:01

Bo Horvath may not have control,

15:03

but I can't imagine that he'd

15:05

have any interest in stepping back

15:07

into a group that essentially made

15:09

a decision and looked elsewhere, so

15:12

you throw the name out there

15:14

fine. But I think there's an awful

15:16

lot of chatter around that before

15:18

something like that would actually come to

15:20

fruition. No question. Horovet has

15:22

a no trade. They have to swallow

15:24

their pride. I also think Bo wants

15:26

to be a part of the playoffs

15:28

going forward. And I also think Bo

15:31

might look at it like unresolved, unfinished

15:33

business here in Vancouver. But let's go

15:35

bigger game hunting. He

15:37

talked about maybe having to bring

15:39

the Hughes brothers here Ask you

15:41

the Surrey Mitsubishi poll question. Would

15:43

you trade sun moon and stars

15:45

for Jack Hughes? Jack Hughes with

15:47

a bad shoulder or you know

15:49

injured this year, but Does this

15:51

become yeah, does this become having

15:53

to Move everything you can to

15:55

see if you can unite the

15:57

the Hughes brothers or at least

15:59

Shaq I don't think he

16:01

accomplished much if you just get Jack There's

16:04

three of them if the goal sometime down

16:06

the road is for all of them to

16:08

play together But even before we look at

16:10

it from Canucks perspective like the New Jersey

16:12

Devils drafted this guy first overall all he

16:14

has done is score for them These players

16:16

don't grow on trees like I just don't

16:18

see the Devils having any interest at this

16:21

point in parting with Jack Q So I

16:23

sort of feel like it's wasted energy to

16:25

even consider that but We have seen players

16:27

that we didn't think were available get moved,

16:29

so stranger things certainly have happened. But

16:32

I mean, just the math, it seems

16:34

so much more logical in my head to

16:36

think that Quinn would wind up there

16:38

probably in free agency, but maybe through a

16:40

trade if he indicates that he's not

16:42

going to re -sign with the Banker or

16:44

Ginox. They've already got two. It's easier to

16:46

complete the collection by adding one as

16:48

opposed to trying to pry two of them

16:50

and bring them out west. So I

16:52

just see nothing right now from the devil's

16:54

perspective uh... that would

16:56

make me think they'd be interested in in

16:58

even entertaining they are small i don't

17:00

use their small up front with he's here

17:02

in brad there was a time where

17:04

they felt like maybe brad has to go

17:07

because we're awfully small up front with

17:09

hughes and he sure if they lose in

17:11

the first round here who knows uh...

17:13

but yes it is uh... far fetched uh...

17:15

but of but of course uh... it's

17:17

gonna have to be far fetched uh... you

17:19

know if you're trying to land of Virtually

17:22

every trade for a first or

17:24

second line center has some degree of

17:27

farfetchedness. As we talked about, you're

17:29

gonna have to overtly give the devils

17:31

the win on trade day. You

17:33

know, you're gonna hope they don't win

17:35

the trade overall, but on trade

17:37

day, if you're gonna make that trade,

17:39

you're gonna have to give them

17:41

the win. You're gonna have to overpay.

17:44

And that would be a hell

17:46

of a deal for the Vancouver Canucks

17:48

to... to pull off, but the

17:50

gravitas of, again, the tone in which

17:52

he talked about protecting Queen Hughes

17:54

was there as he talked about Jeff.

17:56

They protect the king under all

17:59

circumstances was sort of the vibe we

18:01

got there. Well and I

18:03

was glad because again we went 35 minutes

18:05

or something and Quinn's name barely even,

18:07

I'm not even sure I think there was

18:09

one passing reference to Quinn Hughes but

18:11

I was thinking like so much of what

18:13

they have to do here from this

18:15

point forward is with an eye to getting

18:17

Quinn under contract and so again I

18:19

liked what I heard just the fact that

18:22

they verbalized all of that and But

18:25

I mean, look guys, the thrust of

18:27

today was Elias Patterson, right? The tone

18:29

there. So yeah, let's discuss the tone

18:31

there because that was... I think we

18:33

all leave those still with more questions

18:35

and answers. Like, yeah, it's great that

18:38

he's next door in the weight room

18:40

already training, but he should have been

18:42

there all season and for whatever reason.

18:44

And this idea that we're still talking

18:46

about, you know, practice habits and commitment

18:48

and getting through to him. And like,

18:50

there's just so many unresolved issues around

18:53

this player. You know, they tried

18:55

to go to bat form, tried to

18:57

believe in him, but stopped short of saying

18:59

that, you know, they wouldn't consider trading

19:01

him either. So, you know, I

19:03

sent some frustration there on the part

19:05

of these guys. They recognize what... Pedersen

19:07

is, you know, the height of his

19:09

powers can mean to this group, and

19:12

yet we just didn't see it for

19:14

so long. So the trickle down there

19:16

is who's going to be coaching if

19:18

it's Rick Tocket. What is

19:20

that relationship? I know what Tocket said on

19:22

Friday, but does he truly believe in this

19:24

player? Does he believe that he can get this player

19:26

back to the levels that he's been in the past?

19:29

And if it's a new head coach, You

19:31

know, that's a brand new dynamic then

19:33

of a new guy having to come

19:35

in. And I'm sure he has watched

19:37

Elias Pederson, but he would have to

19:40

forge a relationship there with that player

19:42

if the player is in fact back.

19:44

So just a fascinating, I

19:46

mean, it was already going to be an

19:48

interesting offseason. And I think it kind of

19:50

went up a few notches today with some

19:52

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19:54

that player. It sure did,

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