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Welcome back to

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an all-new episode

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of Serialously. Hey

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everybody, welcome back to an all new

1:03

episode of serialously with me Annie Elise.

1:05

Happy Thursday that feels like a Monday.

1:07

I swear I feel like this week

1:09

has been dragging. I don't know if

1:12

it's just me. I don't know if

1:14

it's just me. I don't know. I've

1:16

had a busy week and so you

1:18

would think that with a busy week

1:20

it would feel like the week

1:23

is over sooner. But for me,

1:25

I just kind of feel like

1:27

it's still the beginning of the

1:29

week if that makes sense. But

1:31

anyway, I'm here. you're having a

1:33

better week than I am and

1:35

getting ready for the weekend. Today,

1:37

let's see, today in headline highlights,

1:39

we have got so much to

1:41

go over. We've got updates in

1:43

the Ruby Frankie case because Jody

1:45

is actually challenging her conviction now.

1:48

There's talk that she wants to

1:50

change her plea entirely, which like, get

1:52

a grip lady. Are you for real

1:54

right now? Like, be so for real.

1:56

So we got to talk about that.

1:58

Lori Val. Lori Val. back in

2:00

the news lorry lorry lorry and let

2:03

me just tell you this woman is

2:05

honestly like the true definition of bad

2:07

shit crazy in my opinion she's representing

2:09

herself now in the trial that she's

2:11

on trial in Arizona for the murder

2:14

of her ex-husband Charles or former husband

2:16

Charles I should say and I don't

2:18

even know what we're going to expect

2:20

from this trial. I just hope that

2:22

Charles and his family, a friend of

2:25

mine was in the courtroom and there

2:27

weren't cameras in the courtroom for that

2:29

piece of it, but she was in

2:31

the courtroom and she was texting me

2:33

telling me how Lori was challenging all

2:36

of these things, challenging on the basis

2:38

of bias, and like, just I don't

2:40

even know what we're going to expect

2:42

from this trial. I just hope that

2:45

Charles and his family gets justice at

2:47

the end of it, because this woman

2:49

is putting everybody through the wringer. It's

2:51

time to just lay down. It's time

2:53

to lay down Lori. So I'm going

2:56

to break out down everything going on

2:58

there. There's also some new cases that

3:00

are honestly just disgusting and horrifying. One

3:02

has to do with a child who

3:04

got into his mom's apple juice or

3:07

apple juice that she left exposed and

3:09

there was a meth inside of it.

3:11

Another one has to do with a

3:13

father who woke up in the middle

3:15

of the night and the mother was

3:18

stabbing their four children. I mean, truly

3:20

evil people, which, speaking of evil, okay,

3:22

remember the step mom who held her

3:24

stepson captive for 20 years allegedly? I'm

3:27

saying a allegedly because obviously she hasn't

3:29

been convicted of it and she like

3:31

was neurotic and looked crazy and like

3:33

20 years of just pure hell. Well

3:35

she's been let out on bail. She

3:38

made bail and he's kind of asking

3:40

now like why is she even allowed

3:42

out on bail? Like could it isn't

3:44

that a flight risk? Could she possibly

3:46

be a danger to herself or other

3:49

people? New photos have also been released

3:51

from the inside of that house which

3:53

I'll just be honest they look really

3:55

really bad but you also do have

3:57

to take into consideration that the house

4:00

was set fire so a lot of

4:02

it I think is fire damage as

4:04

well but that doesn't excuse. some of

4:06

the other contents of what's going on

4:09

in this house. So we just have

4:11

a lot to talk about. I'm gonna

4:13

keep this intro short and sweet though,

4:15

because I know sometimes I can ramble

4:17

and some of you like it, some

4:20

of you don't. Actually, I'm sorry. ADHD

4:22

going off right now. I do have

4:24

one more announcement. I am going back

4:26

on tour. I believe it's going to

4:28

be starting off in July. And I'm

4:31

really excited about this because we are

4:33

making this a much larger scale tour.

4:35

So we are hitting, I think, what,

4:37

23 cities in total. And we're still

4:39

finalizing a lot of them. But here,

4:42

let me actually just read off to

4:44

you some of the cities that are

4:46

in the mix right now of discussion.

4:48

And you can let me know like,

4:51

yeah, go to that city or like,

4:53

no, Annie, you don't have anybody who

4:55

listensons. Carolina. So we got Boston, New

4:57

York, Philly, Washington, D.C. Charlotte, Nashville, Raleigh,

4:59

Atlanta, Orlando, Tampa, Dallas, Houston, Austin, San

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Francisco, Portland, Seattle, Seattle, Seattle, San Francisco,

5:04

Seattle, San Diego, San Diego, San Diego,

5:06

Phoenix, the UK, my UK, Peeps. I

5:08

don't see Canada on here, but we

5:10

did talk about doing Canada too. So

5:13

it's not finalized, dates aren't 100. to

5:15

happen and we are planning it for

5:17

I believe probably June or July so

5:19

stay tuned for that but let me

5:21

know in the comments what city and

5:24

maybe I'll even maybe I can put

5:26

I don't know how I can put

5:28

a pull up with that many options

5:30

but I am curious to see like

5:32

where the bulk of you guys are

5:35

I feel like I know for my

5:37

analytics but Helles wanna know where you

5:39

guys are at? Where are you guys

5:41

listening in from? Where are you sneaking

5:44

in and listening from? Okay, now I'm

5:46

really gonna shut up for reals. Now

5:48

let's start with the father in Sydney

5:50

Australia who woke up in the middle

5:52

of the night to find his wife

5:55

stabbing their children. And this just kind

5:57

of takes night terrors to an entirely

5:59

new level, but he woke up and

6:01

he found his 47-year-old wife stabbing their

6:03

three children as they were. which I

6:06

don't even know how you respond in

6:08

a moment like that. would imagine you

6:10

just go irate you freeze I honestly

6:12

don't even know now this father he

6:14

was thinking very quickly on his feet

6:17

because he jumped into action at first

6:19

the detectives say that what woke him

6:21

up was that he heard his children

6:23

screaming which imagine that horror in and

6:26

of itself right but then when he

6:28

went to investigate that's when he saw

6:30

his wife stabbing them so he like

6:32

I said he jumped into action he

6:34

grabbed the knife away from her and

6:37

then he called 911 now as I

6:39

said all three kids were asleep in

6:41

their bedrooms this attack and they are

6:43

10 years old, 13 years old, and

6:45

16 years old. They all unfortunately suffered

6:48

stab wounds and the 10 year old

6:50

boy had two stab wounds while the

6:52

13 year old girl had three stab

6:54

wounds and the 16 year old girl

6:56

had one stab wound along with top

6:59

side not superficial cuts but nothing that

7:01

was like too deeply penetrated. But as

7:03

if this wasn't so disturbing and heartbreaking

7:05

already, get this. The 16 year old

7:08

girl is a pair of Can you

7:10

even wrap your mind around that? First

7:12

of all, what kind of mother, father,

7:14

whomever would do something like that to

7:16

somebody who literally cannot even defend themselves

7:19

in any sort of way? But your

7:21

own child, who's sitting there defenseless, who

7:23

then... Imagine that fear in her mind

7:25

when she sees her mother coming at

7:27

her and I know she was asleep

7:30

but then obviously she woke up at

7:32

some point and the father even heard

7:34

the screaming but it's like she wakes

7:36

up and she can't defend herself and

7:38

she just is kind of you know

7:41

laying there as a victim waiting having

7:43

her mother inflict this on her. horrible

7:45

every way you look at it. Now

7:47

thankfully paramedics were treating all of these

7:50

kids at the scene and then they

7:52

were immediately taken to the hospital where

7:54

doctors were able to successfully get them

7:56

into stable condition. Now when the authorities

7:58

got to the home at around 5.15

8:01

a.m. they realized that the mother had

8:03

also turned the knife on herself. and

8:05

stabbed herself multiple times. So the whole

8:07

thing looked like it was some sort

8:09

of attempted murder suicide type of situation,

8:12

which is really interesting because any time

8:14

we have seen cases in which familicide,

8:16

especially when it's the mother's doing, and

8:18

family annihilation, Very rarely is a weapon

8:20

like a knife used. And I say

8:23

that because, and I don't remember, I'd

8:25

have to look it up, I don't

8:27

remember the exact statistics, but I do

8:29

know that women, whether they are going

8:31

to take their own lives or they

8:34

plan to take their children's lives and

8:36

then their own, they statistically do not

8:38

do it in an overly violent way.

8:40

Usually they will either use means of

8:43

suffocation. the bath, you know, drowning, sometimes

8:45

a gunshot, or pills, poisoning, things like

8:47

that, where it's almost like, I think

8:49

this is not the right expression, but

8:51

it's the only way I noted how

8:54

to describe it, but more of like

8:56

the silent killer, right, where it's not

8:58

as gory, it's not as violent. So

9:00

now, hearing that this is being investigated

9:02

as a possible murder suicide situation, and

9:05

that she was using a knife on

9:07

not only her children, but herself, that

9:09

definitely takes this to a different level

9:11

in my opinion in my opinion of

9:13

what what kind of situation this is

9:16

and what was really going on in

9:18

her mind. I don't know, obviously I

9:20

don't know her reasons, I don't know

9:22

the motive, we are gonna talk about

9:25

some of it in a moment here,

9:27

but it's just the reason I say

9:29

all of this is because it's something

9:31

that we don't often see. It's something

9:33

that we don't often see. It's usually

9:36

one of those other more silent, even

9:38

hands-on, yes, with especially with suffocation and

9:40

drowning, but not as gruesome. in stable

9:42

condition. As of right now she has

9:44

been charged with three counts of grievous

9:47

bodily harm to a person with the

9:49

intent to murder. Now like I said

9:51

we are still unclear of the exact

9:53

motive but what a lot of people

9:55

are of course wondering is how the

9:58

heck did this even happen? It was

10:00

a complete shock. to the entire community

10:02

and the police also had said that

10:04

this was the very first time that

10:07

they've ever responded to this address. They've

10:09

never gone to this home for any

10:11

sort of domestic situation, complaints, CPS investigation,

10:13

nothing. The neighbors also described them as

10:15

quote generally really nice people. The detective

10:18

on this case has also spoken out

10:20

and said they wish they knew that

10:22

this family was going through something so

10:24

that possibly they could have intervened before

10:26

all of this came to ahead and

10:28

before all of this happened. have said

10:30

that yes the family usually did keep

10:32

to themselves they were pretty quiet but

10:34

they also said how they would come

10:36

over for Christmas and celebrate the holiday

10:38

they would bring cookies chocolates for the

10:40

kids and be warm and welcoming just

10:42

nice neighborly stuff so it seems as

10:44

though as of right now what from

10:46

what we know it seems like this

10:48

happened out of nowhere just baffling

10:51

and very very sad. Now the

10:53

only detail that the police have

10:55

released about this attack is that

10:57

before the stabbing the mother was

10:59

allegedly acting erratically and that is

11:01

their direct word erratically. I'm not

11:04

throwing that out there. So We don't

11:06

know if that was maybe some sort

11:08

of mental or psychotic break, if there

11:10

was something else that she was maybe

11:12

suffering from, with underlying issues. I don't

11:14

know. They didn't really elaborate on what

11:16

that means. The police also ended up

11:19

finding the weapon inside the house, which

11:21

was a bloody kitchen knife. The woman

11:23

has been refused bail, but she is

11:25

set to appear in court this week.

11:27

So the police are taking this case

11:29

as a potential attempted murder, and we

11:32

will see where it goes and what

11:34

we learn. know what's going on inside

11:36

somebody else's house even your neighbors right

11:38

they can be warm loving inviting happy

11:40

and you never really know what somebody

11:42

is struggling with what is going on

11:44

inside that house what might be happening

11:46

behind those walls that is you know

11:48

like this woman who helped her steps

11:50

on captive allegedly for 20 years it's

11:52

like and I don't know if that's

11:54

where I get the intrusive thoughts I

11:56

think I talked about this last week

11:58

or maybe the week before but I

12:00

don't know if it's normal or not

12:03

but it is something that I think

12:05

about all the time no matter where

12:07

I am if I'm driving down the

12:09

road or in an unknown like on

12:12

vacation or even on a flight something

12:14

that always enters my mind is How

12:16

many people in these houses that I'm

12:18

passing right now are being held against

12:21

their will? How many people on this

12:23

plane have killed somebody? How many people

12:25

on this plane are here with somebody

12:27

who is sexually abusing them? And I

12:29

don't think that's healthy at all. Like

12:32

don't get me wrong for even a

12:34

split second guys. I know it's not

12:36

healthy. I unfortunately think it's probably more

12:38

common than I realize, which I really

12:41

hope not, because I hope people aren't

12:43

having those thoughts like me all the

12:45

time. But I did see somebody tell

12:47

me recently when I mentioned this, they're

12:50

like, Annie, that's a form of OCD,

12:52

you got intrusive thoughts, like you can

12:54

definitely get on, I think they had

12:56

said you can get on medication or

12:58

like seek help to correct that, which

13:01

I don't know if it's necessarily to

13:03

the level where it's like. it's you

13:05

know affecting my day to day but

13:07

it's I only bring it up because

13:10

I mean it's like it's something that

13:12

always is in the back of my

13:14

mind and it kind of goes back

13:16

to this case too again you never

13:19

know what's going on behind closed doors

13:21

in somebody's house and It's a really

13:23

scary thing to think about. Now let's

13:25

talk about this other case with this

13:27

five-year-old boy who drank this apple juice

13:30

that was apparently laced with meth because

13:32

this is like a worst fear come

13:34

true. Not that I think my son

13:36

is ever going to get into like

13:39

laced meth apple juice. I'm not you

13:41

know smoking meth or have things laying

13:43

around but like it is like a

13:45

new fear unlocked because it just shows

13:48

that I don't know. I don't know.

13:50

Whatever. I'm going to shut up and

13:52

stop talking. So this case happened in

13:54

Florida. And like I said, it was

13:57

a five-year-old little boy and he unfortunately

13:59

died after this happened. He drank this

14:01

apple juice that had methamphetamine in it.

14:03

The mother in all of this was

14:05

arrested last week and she's now facing

14:08

a manslaughter charge. But let's rewind a

14:10

little bit. So the mother is 37-year-old

14:12

Heather op sinks and she lived in

14:14

Riviera-era beach or a- a city in

14:17

Florida. She lived actually in the Sands

14:19

Hotel, which is kind of like a

14:21

hotel motel type of area, and that's

14:23

where she lived with her five-year-old son.

14:26

But apparently one day, Heather just left

14:28

a bottle of juice open in the

14:30

fridge and this bottle had methamphetamine in

14:32

it. Which I don't know if this

14:34

was intentional, and I'm not very well

14:37

versed in the drug world guys, I'll

14:39

be honest, but from what I do

14:41

know and from cases I've covered, I've

14:43

never really heard of drug users leasing

14:46

their own juice or food with drugs.

14:48

I feel like usually they're just like

14:50

smoking it from the pipe or the

14:52

foil or however whatever drug it is,

14:55

you know, using it however is the

14:57

most potent. So I don't know if

14:59

this is like something that people do

15:01

or if maybe this was intentional and

15:03

she laced juice of all things with

15:06

the intention of her trial taking it.

15:08

There was, which case was it? Gosh,

15:10

what was it? Was it Victoria Martins

15:12

in New Mexico? I think that it

15:15

was. And it was a little girl

15:17

and her mother was giving her meth.

15:19

And so, and I don't know, again,

15:21

I'm just gonna be honest guys and

15:24

take this for what it is. I'm

15:26

not very well versed in drugs from

15:28

what my understanding is. When you give

15:30

somebody meth, they are like super hyperactive

15:32

and awake all hours and, you know,

15:35

very high energy, which. I don't know

15:37

why you would want to give a

15:39

child that, if I'm going to be

15:41

honest. If anything, I feel like you're

15:44

trying to get the kids to calm

15:46

down and go to sleep at a

15:48

decent hour. But I do, now something

15:50

is coming back to me. I think

15:53

that when I covered that case of

15:55

Victoria Martins, and I believe that's the

15:57

one it was, I'm pretty confident, I'm

15:59

like 98% certain, I feel like I

16:01

remember hearing that... Is it that for

16:04

children it has the adverse effects? I

16:06

don't know if that's entirely right, but

16:08

almost that it is more of something

16:10

that calms them down, which I could

16:13

be wrong. But my point in all

16:15

of this, and I apologize for the

16:17

rant, is do people just put meth

16:19

in their juice and put it in

16:22

the fridge? Or does it seem like

16:24

this was something more deliberate? done. So

16:26

after this open juice bottle was left

16:28

in the fridge, the five-year-old was left

16:30

with a babysitter while Heather was allegedly

16:33

outside of this hotel room washing a

16:35

cooler. So the child went in the

16:37

fridge looking for something to eat or

16:39

drink and then drank this apple juice.

16:42

But he knew that something was wrong

16:44

because he immediately spit this juice out

16:46

and complained it to the babysitter saying

16:48

that it tasted weird. But all of

16:51

a sudden the five-year-old then started shivering,

16:53

sweating, sweating, and shaking. Then his head

16:55

hung down and his body went stiff.

16:57

The babysitter also noticed that he was

16:59

very very cold and that there were

17:02

rashes forming all over his skin. He

17:04

then, and this is very graphic guys,

17:06

so I apologize, but he then started

17:08

throwing up black stuff and having seizure-like

17:11

symptoms. Then Heather, the mom who was

17:13

outside washing this cooler, once she noticed

17:15

what was going on and came back

17:17

inside, she waited an entire hour for

17:20

whatever reason before calling 911. She waited

17:22

a full freaking hour after witnessing her...

17:24

son, shivering, slumped over, throwing up black

17:26

stuff, looking like he's having a seizure,

17:29

and did not call 911 for an

17:31

entire hour. So the authorities finally got

17:33

the phone call at around half past

17:35

five, and in this call, she said

17:37

that he was no longer breathing. After

17:40

the paramedics arrived, they tried to treat

17:42

him, they tried to do everything that

17:44

they could, he was taken to a

17:46

hospital, but he unfortunately was declared dead.

17:49

He did not make it. Then after

17:51

he died, Heather was tested for drug

17:53

use and she tested positive twice for

17:55

meth. The little boy also tested positive

17:58

for meth. And this is just so...

18:00

reckless and senseless obviously on this like

18:02

I'm just gonna call her a deadbeat

18:04

mother's behalf like why are you why

18:06

are you using drugs in the first

18:09

place but even if you are struggling

18:11

with drug use why are you leaving

18:13

things in open containers where your child

18:15

your five-year-old child could get into it

18:18

in my opinion he never even stood

18:20

a chance I mean literally he just

18:22

went to the refrigerator trying to get

18:24

a drink he knew that it tasted

18:27

He spit it out, yet he still

18:29

ended up ODing on meth. It is

18:31

just so despicable and incredibly sad. Then

18:33

once the police went and investigated this

18:35

actual hotel room where they were living,

18:38

it didn't stop. because there they found

18:40

six meth pipes among many other drugs.

18:42

And despite all of this, Heather heavily

18:44

denied using any kind of drugs except

18:47

mushrooms, as if, you know, that somehow

18:49

is any better. So as of right

18:51

now, Heather is being held in Palm

18:53

Beach County Jail and her bond was

18:56

set at $100,000. She might have the

18:58

possibility of being released on bond, as

19:00

long as she doesn't have any contact

19:02

with any of the witnesses in this

19:04

case, but given their circumstances. be able

19:07

to make bail we'll see she also

19:09

apparently has a daughter so as if

19:11

this wasn't horrifying enough right so she

19:13

was a mother of two and she

19:16

is supposed to be due back in

19:18

court on April 22nd so we will

19:20

see what happens here now let's talk

19:22

about another mother of the year or

19:25

mother of hell, I guess you could

19:27

call it. And we're going to revisit

19:29

that case that we talked about briefly

19:31

with the mother who held her stepson

19:33

captive for 20 years, allegedly. And I

19:36

don't know if you guys remember this,

19:38

but a couple of episodes ago we

19:40

did cover this story, and he was

19:42

held hostage in the bedroom for 20

19:45

years by his stepmother. allegedly. And now

19:47

there have been some new updates. But

19:49

as a quick little recap, the stepmother's

19:51

name is Kim Sullivan, and she was

19:54

originally arrested on March 12th after there

19:56

was about a month-long investigation into alleged

19:58

abuse of her stepson. She allegedly had

20:00

held him hostage in the second floor

20:02

bedroom for over 20 years, and the

20:05

abuse allegedly started from when he was

20:07

just 11 years old until now when

20:09

he was rescued at 32 years old.

20:11

He also, just to level said how

20:14

bad this abuse was, 32 years old,

20:16

I believe he's five nine in height

20:18

and he only weighed 60 something pounds,

20:20

68 pounds I believe to be exact.

20:23

She only gave him a couple glass.

20:25

of water a day, two sandwiches a

20:27

day. He even had to urinate, not

20:29

using the toilet, but like through straws

20:32

that he linked together and then put

20:34

out of the window to then be,

20:36

you know, leak into the yard. Just

20:38

so cruel and so. So this had

20:40

gone on for years and years and

20:43

years. She had yanked him out of

20:45

school in the fourth grade and then

20:47

started homeschooling him, and that's when all

20:49

of this began. And it was pure

20:52

hell. He hated it. So much so

20:54

that he finally decided to set fire

20:56

to his own bedroom as a means

20:58

to be rescued and escaped, even telling

21:01

the police later that he would have

21:03

rather died than continue with what was

21:05

going on inside that house. So he

21:07

ended up using a piece of paper,

21:09

some hand sanitizer and a lighter to...

21:12

spark this fire. And I guess that

21:14

makes sense because anything with alcohol in

21:16

it usually tends to spark the fire.

21:18

So I would imagine that the hand

21:21

sanitizer was the, what do you call

21:23

it? Not the deterrent, what would you

21:25

call it? I can't figure it out.

21:27

But you know what I'm talking about,

21:30

like what would help spark this fire?

21:32

So, or spread it. I don't really

21:34

know, but he wanted to just be

21:36

free. So this is what he did.

21:38

The fire spread all throughout the house

21:41

and then it ultimately forced his step

21:43

mom Kim to call 911. And here

21:45

is that 911 call for you guys,

21:47

just so that you can hear it

21:50

one last time. It's very short. My

21:52

son, he was a stepson in his

21:54

room and I don't know we did

21:56

something with the TV. I was cleaning.

21:59

When the authorities arrived, Kim was just

22:01

standing right out front of the house,

22:03

holding her dog in her arms, not

22:05

her stepson, and just standing there, being

22:07

more concerned about herself and the dog.

22:10

The police, of course, went inside and

22:12

that's when they rescued her son. Now

22:14

Kim, who was 57 years old, faces

22:16

multiple charges, including kidnapping, assault, and you

22:19

name it. So far, she has pleaded

22:21

not guilty to bail of $300,000. So

22:23

now she's apparently just walking free until

22:25

her court date. She has been ordered

22:28

to wear an ankle monitor, but she's

22:30

not under house arrest and nothing like

22:32

that. They're just monitoring her movements. Now

22:34

in a question and sentiment that I

22:36

fully completely agree with and understand, the

22:39

assistant state attorney said that he met

22:41

with the son. He met with the

22:43

victim. And the man's first question to

22:45

him was, quote, why is she out

22:48

walking around when I was locked up

22:50

in a room for 20 years? Which

22:52

Fair question, fair question. Why she was

22:54

even allowed bail and given bail? Like

22:57

I don't understand because maybe she's not

22:59

a danger to society. Maybe you can

23:01

argue that. Maybe you can argue that

23:03

she's not a flight risk since she

23:05

has the ankle monitor. But also with

23:08

how much evidence I believe they have

23:10

gathered against her. I think it's pretty

23:12

clear that the charges will stick that

23:14

she will be convicted of this even

23:17

though she's saying that it was all

23:19

the biological father is doing that she

23:21

just went along with it which spoiler

23:23

alert the biological father died a year

23:26

ago so why wouldn't you set your

23:28

son free after that then but I

23:30

think any time you grant somebody bail

23:32

like this I don't know it just

23:34

rubs me the wrong way and look

23:37

I'm not a lawyer I don't make

23:39

the rules but if there's ever any

23:41

indication that somebody has abused a child

23:43

or that they have inflicted some element

23:46

of torture or cruel and unusual punishment,

23:48

I think bail should be off the

23:50

table. I think you air on the

23:52

side of caution and protect those victims.

23:55

And I don't know, that's just my

23:57

opinion. And maybe you guys are going

23:59

to disagree and come from me in

24:01

the comments and be like, Annie, like,

24:04

you're a psychopath, what are you even

24:06

talking about? But that's just my opinion.

24:08

Like, she allegedly abused this kid who's

24:10

now an adult for 20 years, holding

24:12

him captive in a bedroom. That's worse

24:15

than solitary confinement. It's the same thing.

24:17

It's literally like the exact same thing

24:19

almost. So I don't know. I just,

24:21

it really makes me mad. And where

24:24

is the justice in that? I mean,

24:26

I know she will go to court

24:28

one day. There probably will be justice.

24:30

I would imagine she will be convicted,

24:33

but where's the justice for this kid

24:35

now? Even though he's an adult, I

24:37

call him a kid because he's been

24:39

held allegedly since he was a kid.

24:41

Like, she's allowed to walk free and

24:44

he was locked in that room for

24:46

20 years. How does that at all

24:48

work? I don't know. But like I

24:50

said, Kim, along with her lawyers, are

24:53

completely denying all these allegations. And she's

24:55

saying that it's shocking, it never happened,

24:57

I never did this, it was all

24:59

my former husband, his biological father, but...

25:02

you know, okay, like get real. Now,

25:04

of course, one of the big questions

25:06

in all of this is people are

25:08

wondering how this could have gone on

25:10

for as long as it did without

25:13

anybody noticing. Family members have said that

25:15

they did used to worry about him,

25:17

but his father and his stepmom just

25:19

really isolated themselves from the rest of

25:22

the family. They stopped going to family

25:24

events, birthday parties, holidays, so they didn't

25:26

really think twice about it, which I

25:28

can only imagine for him. He probably

25:31

felt so forgotten, so alone, right? Going

25:33

years without seeing any of your extended

25:35

family and nobody coming in to check

25:37

on you or worry about you or

25:39

wondering if they've even tried to check

25:42

on you or worry about you or

25:44

worry about you. I would imagine that

25:46

you would just feel left and just

25:48

defeated, deflated. However, on March 26th, which

25:51

was when Kim had her first court

25:53

hearing, the victim's biological family was seated

25:55

in the courthouse and they have started

25:57

speaking out on this situation. apparently this

26:00

man's half-sister. And she said that she

26:02

had been searching for her brother for

26:04

14 years, that it wasn't until the

26:06

news came out about him escaping this

26:08

house of horrors, that she finally learned

26:11

the truth about her brother, what was

26:13

going on. And now his biological mother

26:15

also has spoken out, and she has

26:17

been so incredibly shocked to learn what

26:20

happened to her son. Tracy said that

26:22

she gave up. of her son when

26:24

he was just an infant and that

26:26

that's when he began living with his

26:29

father and his stepmother. Tracy said though

26:31

that she never stopped looking for him,

26:33

that she always wanted to be a

26:35

part of his life, but she was

26:37

never able to find him. Tracy and

26:40

Heather had no idea just how bad

26:42

his living situation had become and to

26:44

their knowledge she was just living with

26:46

his parents. But here's a snippet from

26:49

an interview with the two of them

26:51

and I want you to take a

26:53

listen. was thinking that I was giving

26:55

my son a better chance at a

26:58

full life. If I had known, I

27:00

have no words. There was a

27:03

park that I was told Craig

27:05

would actually take him for walks.

27:07

I would park there and be

27:09

there for hours just trying to

27:11

see if I seen him. Never

27:13

seen him. When he turned 18

27:15

did you try more? Absolutely. High

27:17

school yearbooks. I know I started

27:19

there. Nothing. in Watbury, nothing, in

27:22

Wolckett. I didn't have any reason

27:24

to worry because as far as

27:26

I knew, he was with his

27:28

parents, living his life. What were

27:30

they doing? Were they waiting for

27:32

him to actually die? What were

27:34

they going to do then? I'm

27:36

going to be there for my

27:39

brother. I stared daggers through his

27:41

skull. So as of right now,

27:43

we are waiting for the stepmother

27:45

Kim to get back in the

27:47

courtroom and see what happens with

27:49

these charges. But like I said,

27:51

she's not currently behind bars. Now

27:53

the community is of course. definitely

27:56

coming together and rallying for this

27:58

man. They are all on his

28:00

side and I am hoping that

28:02

he is able to get justice,

28:04

that he will have a healthy

28:06

road to recovery, that he can

28:08

start to heal from all of

28:10

this and it will definitely be

28:12

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28:15

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or situations. All right, so just when

29:01

I thought we've had enough of Lori

29:03

Vallow after that bizarre dateline interview with

29:05

Keith Morrison. She's back, which I guess

29:07

we kind of knew she was going

29:10

to be back because we knew she

29:12

was going to be facing these charges

29:14

in Arizona, but she is back. The

29:16

infamous, doomsday mom, Lori Valo. But just

29:19

to give you a little background, if

29:21

you don't know who Lori is, she's

29:23

a woman who is a psychopath, okay?

29:25

In my opinion, she was married five

29:27

times, which fine, who cares, who cares,

29:30

she has three kids, she was a

29:32

former beauty pageant contestant, and then she

29:34

became this like radicalized, like radicalized, thinking

29:36

that the second coming was coming, that

29:39

she was reading all these books, thinking

29:41

that she was one of the 144,000

29:43

who were going to help bring us

29:45

into the new world, however you would

29:48

describe it, I apologize, it's not my

29:50

exact for it in terms of knowing

29:52

what all the spiritual terminology. and she

29:54

got like swept up and wrapped up

29:57

with this loser creep Chad Daybell which

29:59

honestly Google him and you'll understand why

30:01

I'm describing him that way just look

30:03

at his stupid sorry face But he

30:05

was also very much of this he

30:08

wrote books He always talked about how

30:10

he was the pro like not a

30:12

profit But kind of like that where

30:14

he had all these conversations with God

30:17

He told Lori how they had met

30:19

in previous lives how they were now

30:21

set out on this mission to bring

30:23

or be the 144 thousand that ushered

30:26

people into this whole new world all

30:28

of these things and coincidentally of course

30:30

everybody was the enemy who wasn't Chad

30:32

or Lori? their kids were the enemies,

30:35

her husband Charles was the enemy, his

30:37

wife Tammy was the enemy, everybody else,

30:39

but they were, you know, the exalted

30:41

beings. And it's just awful because in

30:43

all of this they ended up deeming

30:46

her two children as what they called

30:48

zombies and I don't know if I'm

30:50

getting a little mixed up on the

30:52

terminology. Did they also call them? I

30:55

know they called demons, demons and zombies.

30:57

I was going to say suppressed being,

30:59

but I think that's more Scientology. But

31:01

I think that's because that's apparently what

31:04

you do, right? You think your kid's

31:06

a zombie and you murder them, like

31:08

a true psychosociopath. She was also convicted

31:10

of conspiring to murder Tammy Daybell, Chad's

31:13

wife, because Tammy died, coincidentally, the two

31:15

of them, Lori and Chad, got married,

31:17

two weeks later, but, spoiler alert, they

31:19

bought wedding rings on Amazon, even before

31:21

Tammy died. Like, these morons, I mean,

31:24

I'm glad they left a digital trail,

31:26

and it took a long time to

31:28

get justice, but it finally came. She

31:30

was sentenced to life in prison. She

31:33

was sentenced to life in prison. Chad

31:35

was sentenced to the death penalty, thank

31:37

God, get him off the face of

31:39

the earth and it's just been nightmare

31:42

after nightmare. But now she's back in

31:44

the courtroom because she also is being

31:46

charged with conspiring to kill her fourth

31:48

husband, the husband before Chad, Charles Valo.

31:51

Now I know that was a lot.

31:53

I just threw a lot at you.

31:55

So let me rewind a little bit

31:57

to understand exactly how we got here.

31:59

So by the time... that Lori married

32:02

husband number four Charles back in 2006

32:04

she had kids from her past marriages.

32:06

One of them was Tiley Ryan and

32:08

then one of them was Jay-J who

32:11

actually was adopted through their family and

32:13

I'm not going to get into all

32:15

the inner workings, so I think you

32:17

guys already know everything. So in 2013,

32:20

after she had been married to Charles

32:22

for, gosh, what is that, for five,

32:24

six, seven years, that's when she met

32:26

Chad Daybell. And like I said, he

32:29

was also Mormon. He had these radical

32:31

beliefs. They focused on reincarnation, the apocalypse,

32:33

the end of the world, all of

32:35

these things. And they just immediately fell

32:37

for each other. Clicked and were in

32:40

love. But then, of course, things started

32:42

spiraling. Lori got very, very into all

32:44

of this doomsday stuff. And in that,

32:46

her marriage to Charles was starting to

32:49

fall apart. He was the evil one.

32:51

She called him by saying that his

32:53

body had been taken over by a

32:55

new spirit, Ned Stark, or Ned something.

32:58

Ned Stark, no, that's game of Thrones.

33:00

But like, had renamed him saying, it's

33:02

not even Charles in your body anymore,

33:04

it's now this new evil spirit. And

33:07

so her chas. and her brother Alex

33:09

Cox who I believe was more like

33:11

her henchmen in a weird way like

33:13

idolized glory and it was honestly kind

33:15

of gives game of throne vibes if

33:18

I'm gonna be real if you know

33:20

you know but they basically conspired saying

33:22

Charles needs to you know be killed.

33:24

He can't, we need his life insurance

33:27

policy, we need, he's evil, all of

33:29

these things. Charles was very scared. He

33:31

was seen calling the police on body

33:33

camp footage where he said like I'm

33:36

worried that my wife is going to

33:38

try and kill me. Here's all the

33:40

concerning things that she has said to

33:42

me. All of this is documented. All

33:45

of it is on record. And this

33:47

is a clip I want to play

33:49

for you where he's speaking about her

33:51

while they were still married before the

33:53

divorce was even filed. great, Susan, Nick

33:56

Schneider, and taking over Charles' body and

33:58

Charles. I was a good kill. I'm

34:00

going to kill you. We murdered today

34:02

in the morning. I can do it

34:05

or I could not place to work

34:07

my house. She gets snow-free so blasting.

34:09

She does. So who's Nick Schneider? So

34:11

then fast forward and one day in

34:14

July Charles went over to pick up

34:16

his son Jay Jay from Lori's rental

34:18

home because they were estranged at this

34:20

point they had been living apart she

34:23

had been in Hawaii for weeks all

34:25

of these things and her brother Alex

34:27

was at this house. Then a fight

34:29

broke out between Charles and Alex allegedly.

34:31

but it ended in Alex shooting and

34:34

killing Charles. Now Alex claimed that he

34:36

shot Charles in self-defense and also that

34:38

he didn't feel bad for shooting him

34:40

because remember Charles was quote, a zombie,

34:43

possessed, he was attacking, he was abusive,

34:45

all of these things, but he claimed

34:47

self-defense. Now one of the most telling

34:49

parts about all this, and again if

34:52

you want the full deep dive guys

34:54

go away back, I'm just trying to

34:56

give Cliff Note version. But one of

34:58

the weirdest things about this is on

35:00

the day that Charles was killed, Lori

35:03

is being notified and she is seen

35:05

on interrogation and body cam footage and

35:07

she's very casual talking about how she

35:09

was going to have a pool party

35:12

talking about how, oh I hope the

35:14

neighbors don't think we're causing a fuss,

35:16

like nothing that you would expect from

35:18

a now widow or a grieving wife,

35:21

former wife spouse and just take a

35:23

listen to this little snippet. Yeah,

35:26

and then I was kind of

35:28

turned around and We were all

35:30

right there in that room except

35:32

for the kids had been outside

35:35

by that time and I hurt

35:37

the gun shop Mm-hmm So you

35:39

heard the shot? Mm-hmm. Do did

35:41

you actually see? See the shot

35:43

or did you just hear it?

35:45

I had gone around To the

35:47

kitchen to get away from him

35:49

and so back around so I

35:51

don't know if you went in

35:54

the house I didn't so I'm

35:56

like a little bit of a

35:58

disadvantage. Yeah, so I didn't see

36:00

when I didn't see the shot

36:02

I heard and then I came

36:04

back around and I saw that

36:06

he was on the ground and

36:08

was freaking out and so I

36:10

was just freaking out I just

36:13

went into momma and like I've

36:15

got to go to get to

36:17

school and I get to the

36:19

kids I just got to get

36:21

to the kids and so I

36:23

just went outside and to see

36:25

if they were in there okay

36:27

I didn't want them coming back

36:29

in the house when all that

36:32

was going on and and and

36:34

um Got to do in the

36:36

car and he was trying to

36:38

come in and Tyler was like

36:40

looking at me with like the

36:42

crazy eyes like what just happened

36:44

and I told her to get

36:46

in the car and we're going

36:49

to do to school. So now

36:51

that Charles was out of the

36:53

picture that's when she moved to

36:55

Idaho with Chad with her two

36:57

children and then we know what

36:59

hellish activities came from that right?

37:01

So now we know that she

37:03

has already been convicted of the

37:05

murder of her two children and

37:08

for every all the horrible things

37:10

that they did there chat as

37:12

well. But now she's also being

37:14

charged with the death of her

37:16

husband Charles because yes he was

37:18

shot by Lori's brother Alex but

37:20

she's being charged with conspiracy to

37:22

commit that murder. She's also being

37:24

charged with attempted murder of a

37:27

man named Brandon Boudreau who was

37:29

the ex husband of Lori's niece.

37:31

her niece is also involved in

37:33

this whole weird cult situation. So

37:35

the conspiracy to commit murder charges

37:37

and the attempted murder charges are

37:39

being tried separately. And Lori, who

37:41

has denied all these past charges,

37:43

is also pleading not guilty to

37:46

these ones. But the craziest part

37:48

about all of this is she's

37:50

representing herself in court. And she,

37:52

I don't want to say she's

37:54

done a good job because it

37:56

hasn't really even kicked off in

37:58

a big way, but she's definitely

38:00

a lot smarter than I think

38:02

I was giving her credit for.

38:05

and what she's saying. I don't

38:07

think she's gonna convince anyone on

38:09

the jury. I truly don't, but

38:11

I gotta give it to her.

38:13

She's actually like kind of holding

38:15

her own in terms, it's comical,

38:17

and she's definitely messing up a

38:19

lot, but. She is kind of

38:21

holding her own more than I

38:24

probably would ever be able to.

38:26

She also has been studying case

38:28

law a lot during her time

38:30

in prison, which has really helped

38:32

prepare her for this. She said

38:34

that she was having trouble communicating

38:36

with her legal team while she

38:38

was in prison, so because of

38:40

that, I guess she thought that

38:43

it was, you know, time for

38:45

her to take it upon herself

38:47

and just represent herself, which I

38:49

don't know. But this is what

38:51

she said to the judge about

38:53

her communication troubles. Take a listen.

38:55

witnesses that are on my list.

38:57

Okay. I understand the time

38:59

constraints. We're doing the best that we

39:02

can. So jury selection happened earlier this

39:04

week. Cameras were not allowed in the

39:06

courtroom for that, but cameras will be

39:08

in the courtroom to my knowledge for

39:10

the rest of the trial. So we

39:12

will definitely see what happens if you

39:14

guys want me to be on this

39:16

and give you guys trial updates. I

39:19

certainly will. We did it for her

39:21

first trial, but I didn't really have

39:23

plans to do with this go around,

39:25

but if you want me to, I

39:27

definitely can recap it for you. But

39:29

let me know. And in the meantime,

39:31

while we're waiting for everything to kind

39:33

of kick off and get another conviction

39:35

for this lunatic, you can always go

39:38

back and watch that date line that

39:40

she did with Keith because... you'll kind

39:42

of just see she's it's kind of

39:44

how she's representing herself it's very it's

39:46

mirrored very similarly she's aggressive she's making

39:48

some sort of baseless claims she's just

39:50

very hyper strong of course denying all

39:52

the accusations acting as though she knows

39:55

best and that everybody else doesn't even

39:57

know what she has seen and bare

39:59

witness to when she spoke with Jesus

40:01

all the things so you can go

40:03

take a listen. Now let's talk about

40:05

another cult mom who is on my

40:07

shit list and that's Ruby Frankie and

40:09

we're not only going to be talking

40:12

about her today but also her counterpart

40:14

Jody Hilda Brandt, disgusting Jody Hilda Brandt.

40:16

And I'm sure it's no surprise to

40:18

you that we're still talking about the

40:20

infamous Ruby Frankie who's the family vlogger

40:22

turned actual devil. But what's interesting to

40:24

see is that her children are actually

40:26

speaking out with the media. In the

40:28

past couple of months Ruby's oldest son

40:31

and her daughter have appeared on good

40:33

morning and They've been advocating for themselves

40:35

on social media as well. And what

40:37

are they advocating for? Well, it's the

40:39

downsides of family vlogging. Sherry and Chad

40:41

Frankie have said that families vlogging their

40:43

little kids is not only unethical but

40:45

also dangerous and they said that they

40:48

definitely will not follow in Jody's footsteps.

40:50

Sherry has also talked about how it

40:52

basically makes your family a full-time job,

40:54

always making the kids pose for the

40:56

camera or broadcasting their private lives for

40:58

views and just really exploiting them. It

41:00

also forces your kids into this lifestyle

41:02

which they don't really even have a

41:04

say in. Sherry also said, quote, there

41:07

is no such thing as a moral

41:09

or ethical family vlogger, which I think

41:11

is really powerful, but take a listen

41:13

to this. I mean, Ruby clearly would,

41:15

you know, smack us, flick our lips.

41:17

whatever. I think Jody brought out the

41:19

worst in her and that's how it

41:21

got to you know where it's ended

41:24

up. I do think that family vlogging

41:26

and like family content is unethical. Now

41:28

Chad has also appeared on Good Morning

41:30

America and while he says that he

41:32

definitely does see a family in his

41:34

future, he definitely will not ever do

41:36

family vlogging. He says that he has

41:38

learned from his mom's mistakes and that

41:40

he doesn't ever want any other kids

41:43

to go through the same thing that

41:45

he and his siblings went through. And

41:47

here's a clip from his interview. Take

41:49

a listen. I eventually want to have

41:51

a family, and I've learned from my

41:53

mom's mistakes. We're shutting off social media.

41:55

We're shutting off the cameras. I'm not

41:57

going to be using any kid as

42:00

an employee. At what point did it

42:02

all change? I think once companies started

42:04

coming to us offering big money for

42:06

scripts. Be excited to tell them where

42:08

your name came from, even if you

42:10

have to fake it. Fake being happy.

42:12

Okay? I don't know if I can

42:14

right now. It was a chaotic, chaotic

42:16

experience. So lots of yelling, lots of

42:19

snapping, lots of snapping. Lots of snapping,

42:21

lots of snapping, lots of snapping, lots

42:23

of snapping, lots of snapping. Lots of

42:25

snapping, lots of snapping, lots of snapping,

42:27

and lots of snapping. timeouts in the

42:29

corner. Now you can hear the heartbreak

42:31

in his voice and it's very very

42:33

sad that it took all of this

42:36

to finally come to a boiling point

42:38

for change to actually happen and for

42:40

people to recognize what was not only

42:42

going on with this family but the

42:44

dangers of family vlogging as a whole.

42:46

I don't know if you saw the

42:48

Hulu's documentary that was titled The Devil

42:50

in my Family, the Fall of Ruby

42:53

Frankie, but it showed a ton of

42:55

the footage behind the scenes, what was

42:57

going on in that house. of my

42:59

mother, a daughter's Quest for Freedom. She

43:01

released that in January where she gave

43:03

more of a personal firsthand account of

43:05

what she witnessed, what those days were

43:07

like with Ruby and Jody, and what

43:09

really transpired over the years. But it's

43:12

sad that it took all of this

43:14

to really... bring light to what I

43:16

believe is a much larger issue and

43:18

that is family vlogging. However, on the

43:20

brighter side of things because all of

43:22

this has been exposed, the Frankie family

43:24

is one of the main reasons that

43:26

a new logist got signed in Utah.

43:29

It got signed on March 25th and

43:31

it's meant to protect child influencers or

43:33

victims of family vlogging. And basically this

43:35

law gives adults the right to erase

43:37

any content from the media once they

43:39

turn 18. So anything that is posted

43:41

by their parents or anyone in their

43:43

family. for that matter. Once the kid

43:45

turns 18 it's their right to scrub

43:48

it off the internet. The law also

43:50

forces the parents to set money aside

43:52

for the kids who they are posting

43:54

online. So while it's not a perfect

43:56

law because I think in a perfect

43:58

world we would say they can't even

44:00

post their children online to begin with.

44:02

at least there are now protections being

44:05

put in place that were never there

44:07

before because before people could just video

44:09

their child all day every day getting

44:11

money monetizing off of it getting brand

44:13

deals and never giving a cent of

44:15

that to their child, and never even

44:17

allowing their child to have a say

44:19

in what is being posted online, what

44:21

private moments are being shared, any of

44:24

it. So now at least there are

44:26

certain protections, although not the best, that

44:28

are being put into place, such as

44:30

being able to scrub their stuff from

44:32

the internet once they turn 18, making

44:34

sure that there is money set aside

44:36

for them from whatever they were a

44:38

part of, and I don't know, it's

44:41

something, right? It's a step in the

44:43

right direction. know how I feel about

44:45

him right? He also testified though in

44:47

support of this law. And look, although

44:49

I have my personal opinions about Kevin,

44:51

which if you don't know what those

44:53

are, I did do like a deep

44:55

dive just into Kevin recently where I

44:57

kind of drag his ass a little

45:00

bit because he's trying to say he

45:02

didn't know how bad it was, that

45:04

Ruby is the evil one and all

45:06

of this and he just wants to

45:08

protect his children, which to me I'm

45:10

kind of like, no, I call bullshit

45:12

on that because you were there when

45:14

a lot of this was going down.

45:17

Maybe not to the extreme level in

45:19

which your son was finally rescued from,

45:21

but... you certainly were inflicting this kind

45:23

of punishment and behavior and lifestyle when

45:25

you were with Ruby. And you documented

45:27

it. You put it on camera and

45:29

put it on the internet too. So

45:31

in my opinion, like, you don't get

45:33

a pass. You do not get to

45:36

skate by this. So, but regardless, my

45:38

point in saying that is regardless, whatever

45:40

my opinions are about him, I do

45:42

hope that the Frankie children find a

45:44

way to come out of this in

45:46

a healthy way, healthy and healed, and

45:48

that they're able to move on with

45:50

their futures, but... I just can't imagine,

45:53

you know, how you even begin to

45:55

heal from that. Now as I said,

45:57

regarding this case, there is also a

45:59

brand new update regarding Jody Hilda Brandt

46:01

in all of this, and this vile,

46:03

disgusting human being Jody Hilda Brandt, as

46:05

if this woman wasn't on my shit

46:07

list or my nerves enough. She's now...

46:10

challenging her conviction. So if you don't

46:12

remember Jody pleaded guilty to four counts

46:14

of aggravated child abuse. She was sentenced

46:16

to four consecutive prison sentences of one

46:18

to 15 years, which I kind of

46:20

take issue with anyway because that means

46:22

on the lighter side she may only

46:24

serve four years in prison yet on

46:26

the high side it could be 60

46:29

years but it's like that's a pretty

46:31

big swing right same for Ruby as

46:33

well but anyway now she's saying she

46:35

quote didn't know her rights when she

46:37

entered that guilty plea you know what

46:39

Look, Chick, take it as a win.

46:41

You on the low side could only

46:43

be serving four years. Now you're going

46:46

to have the audacity to claim you

46:48

didn't know your rights and you're challenging

46:50

the plea. Be so for real right

46:52

now. I mean, give me a break.

46:54

She's even calling the plea agreement that

46:56

she willingly entered into, unlawful. Unlawful. Which...

46:58

Hi, Jody, do you know what else

47:00

is unlawful? Abusing children. Holding them captive,

47:02

restraining them, ruining families. That's unlawful. Not

47:05

you actually paying the price for what

47:07

you did. I mean... come on. But

47:09

Jody is saying she didn't understand the

47:11

full nature of the guilty plea and

47:13

that her lawyer wasn't completely honest with

47:15

her about everything during the hearings, during

47:17

the plea, during all of that. And

47:19

this is a statement from a prosecutor

47:22

in the case. Take a listen. We

47:24

weren't expecting this from Jody, but I

47:26

can't say that we're super surprised either.

47:28

I'm super confident that the entry of

47:30

her plea will hold up and and

47:32

that she won't be able to show

47:34

that she... knowingly and voluntarily didn't entry.

47:36

Now look, I'm sure that Jody will

47:38

never stop trying to manipulate the situation

47:41

in some way, right? I've even heard

47:43

and been told from people very close

47:45

to this whole case and people in

47:47

this case, that she's still running for

47:49

connections, her cult, from prison. So I

47:51

don't think she's ever going to stop

47:53

trying to manipulate things and spin the

47:55

narrative. That's just the kind of woman

47:58

that she is. However, we'll see if

48:00

this... holds any water right we'll see

48:02

what happens. Ruby is still currently serving

48:04

out her four consecutive prison sentences as

48:06

well which again could be anywhere from

48:08

four to 60 years in total I

48:10

hope 60 but we haven't really heard

48:12

any new developments with her yet I'm

48:14

sure we probably will I hope not

48:17

but I'd imagine we will and I

48:19

guess we'll just go from there. Lastly

48:21

there appears to have been a Nicole

48:23

Kessinger spotting over the weekend I know

48:25

I know I know guys I was

48:27

kind of just as floored as you

48:29

were because we haven't seen Nicole Kessinger

48:31

in the wild since 2018 when everything

48:34

first went down with Chris Watts. And

48:36

for those of you who have no

48:38

idea who Nicole is, let me just

48:40

give you a little bit of a

48:42

rundown. Nicole Kessinger was Chris Watts Mistress

48:44

and Chris Watts is the horrific family

48:46

annihilator. I'm sure you've heard of him,

48:48

but we probably a year ago, maybe

48:51

a little less than that, did a

48:53

full on deep dive into Nicole Kessinger

48:55

because it's my... personal belief and I

48:57

know a lot of you agree with

48:59

me some of you don't that's okay

49:01

but it's my personal belief that Nicole

49:03

knew way more than she let on

49:05

because when we analyzed her I believe

49:07

it was a four-hour interrogation we looked

49:10

through her cell phone records where she

49:12

pinged all of these things there was

49:14

a lot of evidence in my opinion

49:16

that tied her directly to either maybe

49:18

not being involved in the planning and

49:20

execution of this but certainly knowing what

49:22

was going on or helping with trying

49:24

to cover it up. And what was

49:27

so weird is when she went in

49:29

for questioning, she immediately brought her dad

49:31

in the room with her who has

49:33

a lot of connections with law enforcement.

49:35

And it just felt really weird, right?

49:37

And again, things with her phone pings

49:39

where she said that she wasn't at

49:41

Chris's house yet in all of her

49:43

history for the entire time they were

49:46

having the affair. phone only pinged at

49:48

the tower near his house whenever she

49:50

had admitted to spending the night or

49:52

being there and then sure enough we

49:54

see a phone ping from the morning

49:56

of the murders she also didn't clock

49:58

into work until three p.m. that day.

50:00

She only stayed for I think it

50:03

was under an hour and she just

50:05

called when she got to work she

50:07

called her spiritual guru then she left

50:09

I mean a lot of weird stuff

50:11

which I actually will link in the

50:13

show notes of this episode the full

50:15

deep dive I did on Nicole and

50:18

maybe we should do another one soon

50:20

let me know in the comments if

50:22

you want another one but I will

50:25

link that old one but anyways Apparently,

50:27

she was spotted over the weekend in

50:29

Montana. Now, it's a very quick video.

50:31

It's really hard to catch, but she's

50:34

at a funeral of a family friend,

50:36

allegedly. So she's walking down the, what

50:38

would you call, I guess, the procession

50:41

almost looking like she's exiting. And I

50:43

don't know if it was a fixed

50:45

camera that was maybe live streaming the

50:47

service or if somebody in the, you

50:49

know, viewing the funeral on the service.

50:51

recorded her for some reason,

50:53

but you see her walking out and

50:55

it hasn't been confirmed that it's

50:58

her. But of course the sleuths online

51:00

are the they are going wild and

51:02

when you pull a side by side

51:04

at first I didn't know because the

51:06

person in this video is a

51:08

little bit heavier than Nicole was

51:10

but then again it also has

51:12

been what seven years. So she's

51:14

a little bit heavier. She has the

51:16

same kind of hair, but when I like,

51:19

of course, did my detective work, which, you

51:21

know, his internet detective at best, but I

51:23

did screenshots of many pictures of her in

51:25

the past with screenshots of this side by

51:27

side to where I was literally doing like

51:29

the mirror imaging where you layer pictures on

51:31

top of each other because I wanted to

51:33

step so psychotic, I know. But I wanted

51:35

to see if the attributes were the same. And

51:38

her hair lines looks the same. The exact

51:40

location in which her hair is parted, which

51:42

isn't on the side, isn't on the middle,

51:44

but it's somewhere in between. She also kind

51:46

of has like this little tiny cow lick

51:49

looking thing, the eyebrow arch. I believe this was

51:51

Nicole. Now, what's interesting, and I've heard this

51:53

theory, but I've never put much weight into

51:55

it, and I want to be clear. I'm

51:57

not putting a lot of weight into it

51:59

now. either. But what I did see

52:01

is a lot of people commenting on

52:04

these viral videos of her now of

52:06

this particular video, but that has been

52:08

shared, you know, everywhere, and saying that

52:10

they believe that she is the mother

52:12

to Chris's child. Now, again, that is

52:14

super sensationalistic or whatever what I'm looking

52:16

for, you know, I'm talking about Salacious,

52:19

but people say she was pregnant then

52:21

that's why she went into a lot

52:23

of people say witness protection just flew

52:25

off the radar we never heard from

52:27

her because she was pregnant with his

52:29

child. I don't know if that's true

52:31

I don't that would mean that she

52:34

would have now what a six-year-old I

52:36

would imagine six-year-old I would imagine six

52:38

or seven I don't know if that's

52:40

true I don't that would mean that

52:42

she would have now what a six-year-old

52:44

I would imagine because of the Unfortunately,

52:47

hey, I'm a woman too, it comes

52:49

with age, it just happens sometimes. But

52:51

they were commenting about how they do

52:53

believe that she, father, mother, father, god,

52:55

mother, and Chris's child. Again, I don't

52:57

know if that's true, maybe it is,

52:59

but we know that we have not

53:02

seen any sight of her, not a

53:04

sighting, not a picture, not a video,

53:06

in seven years. as you know, and

53:08

can imagine, the internet went wild. Now

53:10

for those of you listening to the

53:12

audio version of this, I will link

53:15

the video on my Instagram, so you

53:17

can watch it for yourself. My Instagram

53:19

handle is at underscore Annie Elise, but

53:21

I don't know. We'll see. Again, let

53:23

me know if you want a new

53:25

fresh deep dive into Nicole, not necessarily

53:27

everything that that monster Chris Watts did,

53:30

but Nicole herself, because there's a lot

53:32

of weird stuff. deep dive for you

53:34

too. All right guys that's it for

53:36

this week's headline highlights. Sorry I know

53:38

I was kind of all over the

53:40

place a little bit there for a

53:43

minute but hopefully you know I was

53:45

able to convey the gist of it.

53:47

I will be back with you on

53:49

Monday with an all new deep dive

53:51

into a case it is a doozy.

53:53

It's one that I thought I knew

53:55

all the details about and then when

53:58

I really got into it I realized

54:00

I didn't. So we have that on

54:02

Monday. We of course have our deep

54:04

dives throughout the week over on our

54:06

YouTube channel, Tend to Life. And if

54:08

you ever feel like you need more

54:11

content and you're running out of things

54:13

to listen to, we have a whole

54:15

library right now on Apple podcast and

54:17

on Patreon, where you can listen to

54:19

about 80 extra deep dive episodes that

54:21

are exclusively there for Apple subscribers or

54:23

for Patreon members. And we've talked about

54:26

some breaking cases that are going on

54:28

in the news right now. to push

54:30

his wife off the cliff. He's the

54:32

anesthesiologist and not only did he try

54:34

to take a selfie with her and

54:36

then push her off the cliff, but

54:39

then he took a rock and hit

54:41

her allegedly 10 times in the head

54:43

with it. He also tried to inject

54:45

her with two different syringes, then he

54:47

fled on foot. She luckily survived, but

54:49

I break down that whole case because

54:51

apparently back in December he started accusing

54:54

her of having an affair, then he

54:56

started monitoring her text messages, her phone

54:58

calls, like all sorts of stuff. So

55:00

that I released last Friday. We also

55:02

have a bunch of other cases with

55:04

like scam artists, best friends who plotted

55:06

murders of their best friends, some of

55:09

the other breaking cases that are out

55:11

there. So you can go take a

55:13

listen and you can see all of

55:15

those titles and what's available on Patreon

55:17

again or even on the Apple podcast

55:19

app. All right, other than that I'm

55:22

gonna sign off I am about to

55:24

go record another deep dive episode for

55:26

you that I will be airing very

55:28

soon and until the next one guys.

55:30

Be nice, don't kill people, don't join

55:32

a cult, and like stay away from

55:34

connections with Jody Hilda Brand for real.

55:37

All right guys, take care, I will

55:39

talk with you soon. Bye.