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I'm Brian. And I'm Gabby. And

1:00

this is our four transit connect

1:02

that we've been living in.

1:04

and we thought it was

1:07

finally time to give you

1:09

a toy. What were they doing?

1:11

We drove by and

1:13

the gentleman was slapping

1:16

the girl. Who was

1:18

slapping her? Yes, and

1:20

then we stopped. They ran

1:22

up and down the sidewalk.

1:25

He proceeded to hit

1:27

her, hopped in the

1:29

car, and they drove off.

1:49

Hey everybody, welcome back to an

1:51

all-new episode of serialously with me

1:53

Annie Elise. Now as you can

1:56

see this isn't releasing on our

1:58

regular podcast release schedule. are

2:00

releasing this as a bonus episode

2:02

because after I watched the Gabby

2:04

potato documentary on Netflix, I found

2:06

myself kind of just like seething

2:08

with rage not only at the

2:10

dirty laundries and what vile, disgusting

2:12

human trash they are, but because

2:14

Netflix didn't include a really big

2:16

key detail that I think is

2:18

so important to this entire case

2:20

and really sets up and illustrates

2:22

the timeline of events and what

2:24

the catalyst was in all of

2:26

this. So... I knew, I need

2:28

to get my mic ready, I

2:30

need to turn it on, I

2:32

need to jump on here, talk

2:34

with my true crime besties, and

2:36

break it down for you, because

2:38

you guys like to know all

2:40

of the details. The Deep Dives,

2:42

the, you know, bits and pieces,

2:44

and I just can't believe that

2:46

Netflix didn't include that, and I

2:48

just can't believe that Netflix didn't

2:50

include this, and I told her,

2:52

she's like... What do you mean?

2:54

Why wouldn't they have included that?

2:56

That is insane to me. I

2:58

was like, I know. So, here

3:00

I am. Gabby's case, Gabby Petito's

3:02

case, shook the world when she

3:04

first went missing back in 2021.

3:06

And then it had everybody an

3:08

even more uproar when it was

3:10

revealed that her fiancé, Brian Laundry,

3:12

was the one responsible for her

3:14

murder. But now, as I said,

3:16

Netflix's American murder, Gabby Petito, it

3:18

came out and it does give

3:21

you a much deeper look into

3:23

what was really going on behind

3:25

the scenes beyond this Instagram-worthy road

3:27

trip of photos of van life

3:29

and all these things. seeing uncut

3:31

footage, we're seeing new pictures, we're

3:33

having hearing new testimony, and it

3:35

really is a good documentary and

3:37

gives you a better understanding and

3:39

a full understanding of the case.

3:41

As I mentioned, it dives into

3:43

never seen footage, text messages, interviews,

3:45

and it really also, to me,

3:47

and I'm sure many of you

3:49

who watched it, it reveals something

3:51

that is absolutely heartbreaking that we

3:53

didn't even know before. And that

3:55

was that Gab was trying to

3:57

leave Brian. She knew that things

3:59

weren't right. And she was scared

4:01

about how he might react and

4:03

she was looking for a way

4:05

out. But something that they didn't

4:07

talk about was how Bryan went

4:09

home to Florida after that Moab

4:11

incident, after the Utah incident, the

4:13

infamous body cam footage. He not

4:15

only went to the hotel or

4:17

the shelter place and stayed, but

4:19

then he went back to Florida.

4:21

And when he went back to

4:23

Florida, that is when Gabby started

4:25

pulling away. As I go through

4:27

this, I'm going to kind of

4:29

build out my timeline because to

4:31

me it seems very crystal clear

4:33

what happened and why this happened

4:35

and what was the catalyst, but

4:37

they didn't really go into details

4:39

about that and I think that

4:41

that is very crucial in this.

4:43

Now what this Dockey series also

4:45

showed us, like so many issues

4:47

when there is domestic disputes and

4:49

dangerous situations, the most dangerous time

4:51

for a victim is when they

4:53

are trying to leave. And in

4:55

Gabby's case, that fear was of

4:57

course tragically justified. So we're going

4:59

to go through all of the

5:01

new things that we learned through

5:03

this docu series and some of

5:05

the stuff that I have learned

5:07

years ago when we were researching

5:09

this case that they didn't really

5:11

touch on that again, make the

5:13

puzzle not only fit, but it

5:15

makes me more angry. It really

5:17

does because I think that there

5:19

could have been opportunity to intervene

5:21

multiple times. So we'll talk about

5:23

that. So let's start with more

5:25

of like the emotional abuse and

5:27

the control that we didn't really

5:29

see coming. Before this Stockey series,

5:31

a lot of people only saw

5:33

the Happy Road Trip version of

5:35

Gabby and Brian. The Instagram posts,

5:37

the YouTube blogs, and everything really

5:39

did look picture perfect. Piggyback rides,

5:41

beautiful scenerys, them cooking together, them

5:43

doing little things. I mean. We

5:45

all know what you see on

5:47

social media isn't the true picture,

5:49

right? But American murder Gabby Petito,

5:51

it kind of flips the script.

5:53

It showed us what was really

5:55

happening behind the camera with all

5:57

of the unedited footage. And through

5:59

text messages, interviews, and that footage...

6:01

from Gabby's computer, a very different

6:03

Brian laundry starts to come into

6:05

focus. One who was very controlling,

6:07

a very emotionally manipulative, and somebody

6:09

who was constantly gas lighting Gabby.

6:12

And here's what the documentary reveals

6:14

about their dynamic. Brian constantly belittled

6:16

Gabby. He'd make her feel like

6:18

she was overreacting or that she

6:20

was being crazy whenever she expressed

6:22

concerns, just constantly gas lighting her.

6:24

He also isolated her. She had

6:26

fewer and fewer people to talk

6:28

to because Brian was controlling their

6:30

environment, their finances, how they would

6:32

spend their time on the road,

6:34

what destinations they would go to,

6:36

everything. Even when she was preparing

6:38

for this road, working at Taco

6:40

Bell, he started to lose control

6:42

over her and over him trying

6:44

to isolate her. And so he

6:46

started to make that a problem.

6:48

Like why you hanging out with

6:50

all these deadbeats at Taco Bell,

6:52

late night hours, this or that

6:54

trying to shame her for what

6:56

she was trying to do, which

6:58

was trying to do, which was

7:00

trying to do, which was earn

7:02

money to hello bankroll his loser

7:04

ass on this van life trip.

7:06

And he still didn't like that

7:08

she wasn't in his grasp, but

7:10

wasn't under his control. He also

7:12

controlled their social media. Gabby loved

7:14

creating the content. But Brian always

7:16

had a say in how they

7:18

as a couple in their situation

7:20

was going to be portrayed. He

7:22

wanted to keep up appearances. He

7:24

wanted to look like the good

7:26

guy, the supportive guy. But we

7:28

see that he really wasn't that.

7:30

And he also had a history

7:32

of getting physical. Now we saw

7:34

the body cam footage from Moab

7:36

Utah and... It's infamous footage. I

7:38

will play a couple clips here

7:40

for you, but we saw that

7:42

footage where when we're called after

7:44

somebody actually saw Brian hitting Gabby

7:46

in the street. Hi, can you

7:48

hear me, sir? Yeah, I can

7:50

hear you. Hi, I'm calling, I'm

7:52

right on the corner of Main

7:54

Street by Moonflower and we're driving

7:56

by and I'd like to report

7:58

a domestic dispute. Florida with a

8:00

white van, Florida license plate, white

8:02

land, gentleman on 56 beard beard.

8:04

We just drove off. They're going

8:06

down Main Street. They made a

8:08

right onto Main Street for a

8:10

moonflower. What were they doing? What

8:12

were they doing? We drove by

8:14

and the gentleman was slapping the

8:16

girl. Who's slapping her? Yes, and

8:18

then we stopped. They ran up

8:20

and down the sidewalk. He proceeded

8:22

to hit her, hopped in the

8:24

car, and they drove off. Okay,

8:26

you said it's a white van?

8:28

But in the Dockey series, we

8:30

see even more evidence about how

8:32

this wasn't just a one-time thing.

8:34

And this kind of manipulation is

8:36

classic in abusive relationships, okay? The

8:38

abuser makes the victim question themselves.

8:40

They isolate them from any support

8:42

systems they have, and then they

8:44

slowly just... break them down until

8:46

they feel like they can't leave

8:48

until they feel like they have

8:50

nobody else and that it's their

8:52

fault and then they're only going

8:54

to be accepted by this person.

8:56

Now I want to touch on

8:58

Moab really quickly. The infamous Moab

9:00

police body cam incident occurred on

9:03

August 12th 2021. This was the

9:05

day that they had received that

9:07

phone call of somebody witnessing Brian

9:09

slapping Gabby in the street and

9:11

then the police officers spotted their

9:13

van pulled them over because they

9:15

like went on to a median

9:17

or hit a curb and it

9:19

looked as though you know he

9:21

was driving erratically. Now in this

9:23

body cam footage Gabby is distraught

9:25

just visibly distressed she's crying she's

9:27

apologizing repeatedly all while Brian appears

9:29

calm collected he's even joking with

9:31

the officers calling her crazy to

9:33

them and this is all despite

9:35

a witness report saying that Brian

9:37

had been hitting Gabby. Other time

9:39

we've just been fighting this morning,

9:41

some personal ideas. I'm sorry that

9:43

I'm so mean because sometimes I

9:45

have OCD and sometimes I just

9:47

get really frustrated. And the flies

9:49

here are like pretty intense, so

9:51

the flies have definitely been getting

9:53

to her. And then my feet

9:55

are dirty and everything, so I

9:57

think that our little squabbles started

9:59

because you're... coffee shop and

10:01

when he got back to the bin

10:03

there was some dirty stuff to ban.

10:05

We didn't even invite him one morning

10:08

and he wouldn't let me in the

10:10

car. Why wouldn't you let you in

10:12

the car? Because you know, because of

10:14

your OCD. So we needed to come

10:16

down. We weren't physical before the point

10:19

where I said, all right, let's just

10:21

take a breath or anything, like walk

10:23

away for a minute. I'll lock the

10:25

van up, and I'll go for walk

10:28

this way, and you can go walk

10:30

that way, that way, that way, and

10:32

the block. You don't drink or anything.

10:34

I started hitting him. The witness says

10:36

I never saw him hit her, I

10:39

saw him shove her, but I couldn't

10:41

tell you if it was an aggression

10:43

against her or a defense against her.

10:45

Unless the guy is screaming that he

10:47

needs to go to jail and did

10:50

something to this girl. It sounds like

10:52

she's the primary aggressor. You've got three

10:54

scratches in your neck, you've got one

10:56

on your left side of your head,

10:58

you've got one in your face here,

11:01

and you've got four full of a

11:03

bleeding. I'm not complaining about it. Is

11:05

it bruised or tender or tender or

11:07

tender or anything like that? So she's

11:10

apologizing. She's saying how she suffers from

11:12

anxiety. So she's apologizing. She's saying how

11:14

she suffers from anxiety, stress, how sometimes

11:16

she gets mad at him. And it's

11:18

really, really upsetting to watch because the

11:21

officers ultimately categorized Gabby as the aggressor

11:23

and all of this. And I get

11:25

that she was the one saying that

11:27

she was the aggressor. So I understand

11:29

loosely. I'll say that loosely, how they

11:32

could come to that conclusion. But what

11:34

they chose to do in that moment

11:36

was separate the couple for the night.

11:38

Take no further action, just separate them.

11:40

Gabby can sleep in the van. Brian's

11:43

gonna go to this hotel slash shelter

11:45

situation. But this incident has been heavily

11:47

scrutinized because this was a missed opportunity

11:49

for intervention. If they labeled her as

11:51

the aggressor and the problem in this.

11:54

At the very least, they should have

11:56

arrested her, and they should have taken

11:58

her into custody. which I wish that

12:00

they would have done, because had they

12:03

done that, she would have called her

12:05

mom. And it would have given her

12:07

mom the opportunity to come and get

12:09

her, to intervene, to get to the

12:11

bottom of this situation at that point,

12:14

too. I would imagine her mom would

12:16

have learned about that 911 call, which

12:18

when they had first notified them, or

12:20

when she first saw the body camera,

12:22

they hadn't even known that somebody had

12:25

called 911 reporting that Brian was slapping

12:27

was slapping her. And that's why I

12:29

say this was all loosely how they

12:31

named her as the aggressor, or not

12:33

loosely that they named her as that,

12:36

but like, had they arrested her, that's

12:38

what the most they could have done.

12:40

Because in this docu-series now, photos of

12:42

the marks on her face come out.

12:45

And you can tell, this is a

12:47

photo she took herself, a selfie. She's

12:49

wearing the exact same outfit that she

12:51

was wearing in that body cam footage.

12:53

This was taken on the same day.

12:56

Clearly, on the aggressor. My question is,

12:58

did the police not see these marks?

13:00

Did they not see how bad they

13:02

were? I know they saw a little

13:04

one, but in this photo, she's marked

13:07

up. Like, so were these markings from

13:09

earlier on in the day? Was this

13:11

then from just the slapping incident? We

13:13

don't have a time stamp of when

13:15

this photo was, but obviously before they

13:18

were separated, but how could they not

13:20

see that? and determine that she was

13:22

not the primary aggressor. But even if

13:24

let's say the marks had faded by

13:27

the time they were pulled over, it

13:29

shows what the dynamic truly was. And

13:31

it just makes me so mad because

13:33

again, even though she was admitting to

13:35

being the primary aggressor, which she wasn't,

13:38

by the way, like she was just

13:40

a scared young girl who had been

13:42

gaslit so much that she thought that

13:44

she was the problem in all of

13:46

this, which she wasn't. But anyway, I

13:49

get it. She was taking responsibility responsibility.

13:51

And so they said, you know. We're

13:53

going to put him in the shelter.

13:55

They should have arrested her. They should

13:57

have done something more to intervene if

14:00

they truly thought... that Brian was the

14:02

victim here. Now, I want to talk

14:04

about what happened after this Moab incident

14:06

and something that they didn't really touch

14:08

on much in the docu series, because

14:11

shortly after this body cam footage and

14:13

after they were separated, five days after

14:15

to be exact, Brian flew back to

14:17

Florida. And this is all according to

14:20

the family attorney, Stephen Bertolino. Brian flew

14:22

from Salt Lake City to Tampa, Florida

14:24

on August 17th, 2021. The reason he

14:26

flew back was to obtain some items

14:28

and close out a storage unit because

14:31

he wanted to not waste money on

14:33

this storage unit. He wanted to save

14:35

money because he and Gabby were contemplating

14:37

extending their road trip together. So he

14:39

flew back five days after the Moab

14:42

incident. Now during this time Gabby remained

14:44

in Utah. She stayed at a hotel,

14:46

the Fairfield Inn and Sweets, and this

14:48

is near Salt Lake City Airport. It

14:50

was later confirmed by hotel staff as

14:53

well that she stayed there. Now while

14:55

she was there, without Brian, for those

14:57

days, she continued communication with her friends

14:59

and her family. Also confiding in them,

15:02

because it seems like now that she

15:04

had a little bit of distance from

15:06

Brian, she was starting to realize that

15:08

something here just was not right. Additionally,

15:10

on August 19th, while he's still in

15:13

Florida, she posted a video on their

15:15

YouTube channel Nomadic Static. This video really

15:17

documented their travels, but again, only from

15:19

the rose-colored lens of everything. Just... their

15:21

perfect trip together. And her posting this

15:24

really did suggest to me at least

15:26

that she was continuing to focus on

15:28

their social media presence. She really wanted

15:30

to focus on content creation while he

15:32

was away and like dive into that

15:35

because as we know, and as we

15:37

learned from this documentary, she was the

15:39

only one who had any capability of

15:41

editing. He was he couldn't help in

15:44

anything. He couldn't help fund it. He

15:46

couldn't help edit. He couldn't help give

15:48

good vibes. He couldn't help be nice.

15:50

Like he was just a freaking loser

15:52

through and through and through and through

15:55

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16:28

now on her own here in Utah

16:30

for a few days. editing, pouring herself

16:32

into the content creation, talking with friends

16:34

and family, and starting to realize, like,

16:37

this is kind of nice with him

16:39

being away. I'm starting to like... realize

16:41

this isn't how I should be treated.

16:43

And one of the most chilling details

16:45

in this documentary is an interview that

16:48

was done with Gabby's ex-boyfriend Jackson, because

16:50

he says that just days before she

16:52

was murdered, Gabby told him that she

16:54

wanted to leave Brian, but that she

16:56

didn't know how he was going to

16:59

react, that she was scared. So this

17:01

again showed that now that there was

17:03

a little distance, she was thinking about

17:05

things differently, a little more clearly you

17:07

could argue. And this interaction that she

17:10

had with her ex Jackson was on

17:12

August 22nd. Just one day before Brian

17:14

returned. And it makes me really sad

17:16

and it makes me really mad because

17:19

had he, she had just a couple

17:21

more days before he came back, maybe

17:23

she would have gathered a little bit

17:25

more strength. Maybe. she would have been

17:27

able to have more open conversations and

17:30

vulnerable conversations with Jackson, with her friends,

17:32

with her parents, to where someone would

17:34

have known what was really happening. Because

17:36

at this point, nobody really knew how

17:38

bad things were. But like I said,

17:41

during this period, she was still talking

17:43

to people. She was reaching out to

17:45

people, and in my opinion, probably trying

17:47

to process what was happening in her

17:49

relationship. trying to figure it out. But

17:52

it's clear now that being away from

17:54

Brian, even for that short period of

17:56

time, it gave her some clarity. She

17:58

wanted out. But then he came back.

18:00

And when he did come back, that

18:03

changed everything. Because he returned to Salt

18:05

Lake City on August 23rd, and he

18:07

rejoined Gabby in this van life trip.

18:09

So Gabby checked out of that hotel

18:12

the very next day on August 24th,

18:14

right when Brian returned, and then they

18:16

continued their cross-country journey journey together. And

18:18

the documentary makes it painfully obvious that

18:20

Gabby felt trapped. That's my takeaway from

18:23

this. And this is something that domestic

18:25

experts talk about all the time. When

18:27

somebody is in a toxic relationship and

18:29

when they start thinking about leaving, statistically,

18:31

that is when it becomes the most

18:34

dangerous. That is when the abuser feels

18:36

like they're losing control. And that is

18:38

when they begin to lash out even

18:40

more so. So like I said, if

18:42

she had just had a couple more

18:45

days on her own before he came

18:47

back, maybe things would be different. Now

18:49

let's talk about that unedited footage from

18:51

Gabby's computer because it definitely tells a

18:54

very different story. One of the most

18:56

heartbreaking pieces of this documentary is that

18:58

raw unedited footage from Gabby's computer because

19:00

while her social media painted a very

19:02

happy, bright sunshine, happy picture, these private

19:05

videos show a totally different reality. Gabby

19:07

was deeply anxious. She was constantly apologizing.

19:09

There's footage of her crying, trying to

19:11

talk through what's happening, and blaming herself

19:13

for the fights that she's having with

19:16

Brian. Now, Brian's controlling behavior was way

19:18

more obvious because there's these clips where

19:20

he didn't even realize that the camera

19:22

was still rolling, and he snaps at

19:24

her, he dismisses her feelings, and he

19:27

just makes her feel small. She also

19:29

was starting to recognize how toxic the

19:31

relationship was and in one journal entry

19:33

that was shared she wrote, I feel

19:36

like I'm walking on eggshells. One moment

19:38

everything is a and the next, he's

19:40

so angry and I don't know why.

19:42

She was afraid. And the more that

19:44

you watch, the more that you see

19:47

it. She was scared to leave, but

19:49

she also knew that she couldn't stay.

19:51

And you start to see too where

19:53

she's getting a little bit braver to

19:55

where she snaps at him, like in

19:58

one scene. They're recording something and she

20:00

says to him something and I'm just

20:02

paraphrasing here of like well if you

20:04

knew how to edit this would be

20:06

a lot easier kind of realizing like

20:09

I'm carrying the brunt work of all

20:11

this this is all falling on my

20:13

shoulders not only did I work to

20:15

save all this money and convert our

20:17

van for us and help fund this

20:20

but now I'm the one starting this

20:22

YouTube series starting this content and you

20:24

can't even help with editing it you

20:26

also can't set things up you can't

20:29

even put on a happy face just

20:31

realizing that like This loser brings nothing

20:33

to the table. He's a little twirpy,

20:35

douchebag. And, but she still, he had

20:37

beat her down so much emotionally and

20:40

mentally that she felt like she couldn't

20:42

leave. She felt like he was, he

20:44

did love her and that this was

20:46

meant to be. So while when this

20:48

case first happened, we knew that he

20:51

was shady and that there was something

20:53

weird going on between them, we all

20:55

saw the polished version of their life.

20:57

But this stocky series, it forced us

20:59

to look at the truth. Social media

21:02

is a highlight reel, masking real danger

21:04

underneath it. And that's exactly what was

21:06

happening with Gabby and Brian. Now I

21:08

talked earlier about this a little bit,

21:11

but one of the most important things

21:13

the documentary highlights is that the most

21:15

dangerous time for a victim of this

21:17

type of domestic issue is when they

21:19

try to leave. And that is exactly

21:22

what happened to Gabby because she had

21:24

reached out to people, she was thinking

21:26

about leaving, and that is when Brian

21:28

became even more unpredictable. And experts in

21:30

this series kind of break it down

21:33

like this. Abusers thrive on control. When

21:35

they feel like they're losing it, they

21:37

start to panic. And this is going

21:39

to become really key because I'm going

21:41

to share with you what I believe

21:44

was the catalyst of what made Brian

21:46

snap. So this panic that they have

21:48

can oftentimes turn into violence. And this

21:50

is why so many of these cases

21:53

turn deadly at the moment that the

21:55

victim tries to leave, because they just

21:57

snap. It's terrifying, but it's true. Gabby

21:59

was in the most vulnerable position she

22:01

possibly could have been in. And the

22:04

system failed her. So let's talk about

22:06

the boiling point, or what I believe

22:08

to be the boiling point. So on

22:10

August 27th, four days after Brian returned

22:12

from Florida, Gabby and Brian were seen

22:15

at two locations in Jackson, Wyoming. And

22:17

this is what I believe was the

22:19

tipping point of everything, because at this

22:21

point, remember, she already had confided in

22:23

her ex-boyfriend Jackson once that things weren't

22:26

quite right, that she was feeling a

22:28

certain type of way. She had a

22:30

few days away from Brian, she was

22:32

like, oh, okay, like this isn't right,

22:34

I'm editing. And then he comes back,

22:37

then he comes back. a few days

22:39

later, they go to Jackson, Wyoming. And

22:41

while they're there, she sends a Snapchat

22:43

to her ex-boyfriend Jackson saying, oh, this

22:46

reminds me of you, I'm in Jackson

22:48

too, like, you know, whatever that would

22:50

have, whatever the context of that snap

22:52

was. Then. We see the Mary Piglets

22:54

Tex-Mex restaurant. Because witnesses reported that around

22:57

11 p.m. the couple was here dining.

22:59

During their visit, Brian was observed arguing

23:01

with restaurant staff. Gabby appeared visibly upset.

23:03

We also saw text messages that she

23:05

was sending Brian from the bathroom. She

23:08

was apologizing for his behavior. It was

23:10

just, things were brewing. It's my opinion

23:12

that he saw that she was in

23:14

communication with her ex-boyfriend Jackson or had

23:16

sent that snap and that this is

23:19

what made him start to spiral. Because

23:21

shortly after leaving the restaurant at approximately

23:23

2.11 p.m. Surveillance footage then pictures them

23:25

entering that Whole Foods. But when it

23:28

shows them pull up in the parking

23:30

lot you can visibly see Brian get

23:32

out of the van and slam the

23:34

door, already angry, already fuming. Then they

23:36

spend about 15 minutes inside before returning

23:39

to the van. So as we know,

23:41

these sightings on August 27th are among

23:43

the last... known instances of Gabby being

23:45

seen alive in public. And it's also

23:47

her last known contact with her family.

23:50

Now, it's my belief, so let me

23:52

backtrack a little bit. Again, this is

23:54

all my belief based on what we've

23:56

learned and different time stamps we've heard

23:58

of. It's my belief, whether it was

24:01

before or right after the Tex-Mex restaurant,

24:03

that Brian saw that she had sent

24:05

that snap. to her ex, realizing he's

24:07

losing control of her. She probably already

24:10

at that point too was beginning to

24:12

pull away because remember she had had

24:14

those few days to herself, she already

24:16

was starting to pull away. And it's

24:18

my belief that she was strangled and

24:21

killed inside the van shortly after Whole

24:23

Foods. And then I think he drove

24:25

with her to the campsite. Now the

24:27

reason why I think that is because

24:29

all of that went down on the

24:32

27th, but she also sent that infamous

24:34

text message to her mom on the

24:36

27th. If you remember, That day she

24:38

sent a very odd text to her

24:40

mom Nicole and it read can you

24:43

help Stan? I just keep getting his

24:45

voicemails and his missed calls and Stan

24:47

was a reference to her grandfather But

24:49

Gabby never referred to him by his

24:51

first name. She would call him grandpa

24:54

or whatever So this text made her

24:56

mom very suspicious suspicious that Brian would

24:58

have been the one to maybe send

25:00

this message from her phone because he

25:03

would have been the only one calling

25:05

him Stan. Now we don't know exactly

25:07

what time she sent that text message,

25:09

but it or that I should say

25:11

that that text message came from her

25:14

phone. But unless it was very very

25:16

late at night or even the middle

25:18

of the night, I would imagine that

25:20

it would have been earlier in the

25:22

day and that Brian wouldn't have risked

25:25

attention or risked getting caught by texting

25:27

her mom in the middle of the

25:29

night. I think that if he was

25:31

gonna send that text it was probably...

25:33

earlier in the day. He wouldn't want

25:36

to be like, I don't want her

25:38

to question why I'm sending a text

25:40

at 2 AM or why Gabby is

25:42

sending a text at 2 AM. So

25:45

I think it happened earlier on in

25:47

the day. So that would have meant

25:49

that the estimated time of death would

25:51

have been between when she left Whole

25:53

Foods on the 27th and when that

25:56

text message was sent on the 27th,

25:58

which in my opinion was probably... more

26:00

likely before 12 a.m. So that's a

26:02

small window of time right? Call it

26:04

2.30 p.m. to 12 a.m. and again

26:06

I think that something happened in

26:09

that van on the way to the

26:11

campsite. Maybe even right when they arrived

26:13

at the campsite. but I think that

26:15

the catalyst was seeing something on her

26:17

phone. And then I think he obviously

26:19

had access to her phone. We know

26:21

he did whether it was pass code

26:23

protected or whatnot because he sent the

26:25

stand text later on that day. And

26:27

the FBI also determined of course that

26:29

Gabby was killed between August 27th and

26:31

August 28th. I personally believe it was

26:33

the 27th. Then as we know Gabby's

26:35

body was discovered on September 19th at

26:37

the Spread Creek dispersed camping area in

26:39

Wyoming's Teton National Forest, and the autopsy

26:41

had concluded that she died of manual

26:44

strangulation, also that she had been deceased

26:46

for about three to four weeks before

26:48

being found. So I think one of

26:50

the big pictures here, first and foremost,

26:53

the big learning coming out of this

26:55

docu series, was the true dynamic and

26:57

just how controlling Brian was and

27:00

what a loser he truly was

27:02

and I don't mean that jokingly

27:04

like honestly like just a deadbeat

27:07

loser and it shows us more of

27:09

like what was going on behind the

27:11

lens but I think with Gabby's

27:13

ex-boyfriend Jackson also

27:15

speaking We get an insight into

27:18

Gabby's mind those final days that

27:20

she was realizing things weren't right.

27:22

She was trying to detach. She

27:25

was confiding so much so. And

27:27

I could say, I've been in

27:29

unfortunately similar relationships where there

27:32

is definitely a shift in

27:34

power and somebody who's very controlling.

27:36

And I will say when you

27:38

do start to feel brave in

27:41

those relationships and feeling prepared to

27:43

leave and prepared to walk away.

27:45

You get, I don't want to say careless

27:48

or reckless, but you get

27:50

more empowered, more emboldened because

27:52

you are in your mind

27:54

feeling like you're already

27:56

going to leave so there's not

27:59

a riskness. necessarily of them finding out

28:01

and being mad. And I'm doing a

28:03

really bad job explaining this. So let

28:05

me just kind of slow down and

28:07

go back. But while he was in

28:09

Florida and she was in the hotel

28:11

alone for those few days, she reached

28:13

out to Jackson, gave him expressing some

28:15

concern. She also had talked with family

28:17

and friends, not about concern, but just

28:19

she was starting to like be detached

28:21

and get more confident in herself. Then

28:23

when Brian's back in town, she still.

28:25

has the bravery and the courage to

28:27

send a snap to her ex-boyfriend, something

28:29

that I would imagine she didn't have

28:31

before because he didn't even hear from

28:33

Gabby for the first time until Brian

28:35

was out of town. So now she's

28:37

feeling braver and she sends him that

28:39

text saying, I'm in Jackson thinking of

28:41

you, like, because Jackson's your name, this

28:43

and that, or like it reminds me

28:45

of you, but it reminds me of

28:47

you. And sends that while she's literally...

28:49

either next to Brian or at least

28:51

in close proximity to Brian. So I

28:53

think that is a detail that you

28:55

could argue is very indicative of the

28:57

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28:59

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29:01

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I believe that that was the catalyst.

29:34

I think he had access to her

29:36

phone, which I think we can prove

29:38

he did, because whether it was pass

29:40

code protected or not, he sent a

29:42

text message from it later. So it's

29:44

not a far stretch to believe that

29:46

he was going through her phone, that

29:48

he was looking through her messages, that

29:50

he wanted all control over her service.

29:52

Certainly not. Even if she was outside

29:54

filming something with the drone, grabbing her

29:56

phone to look and then seeing that.

29:58

And I think that's when it all

30:00

kind of clicked for him. Shit. Stemming

30:02

off this Moab incident. Stemming off of

30:04

being a part when I was at

30:06

the storage unit. Now she's reaching out

30:08

to her ex. Like, maybe he even

30:10

went back and saw the text threat

30:12

after seeing the snap history. And that's

30:14

where it all kind of came to

30:16

a boiling point. I don't think it

30:18

was some. I think he probably did

30:20

stop in the moment and he went

30:22

to hit her again. He put his

30:24

hands on her and he strangled her

30:26

because he was panicked and pissed off

30:28

that she was going to leave him.

30:30

Even if she hadn't said that she

30:32

was going to leave him, he probably

30:34

knew. And keep in mind, that whole

30:36

span of events was only two weeks.

30:38

The body cam footage to when Gabby

30:40

was killed was a two-week period, which...

30:42

Five of those days, Brian wasn't even

30:44

in town for. He was in Florida.

30:46

Actually, six of those days. So if

30:48

you're talking, it was 15 days total

30:50

between the two incidents. Six of those

30:52

days out. There was only nine days

30:54

that they were together, book ending, between

30:56

Moab and when Gabby was killed. Five

30:58

days after the body cam footage until

31:00

he left and then four days once

31:02

he returned and he returned and he

31:04

killed her. It's just... Had there been

31:06

a little more time, like I said,

31:08

and it's always easy to look back

31:10

in hindsight, right? But had he been

31:12

in Florida with that storage unit a

31:14

little longer, maybe things would be different.

31:16

And this... Documentary isn't just about revisiting

31:18

a true crime case, it's about learning

31:20

from it because Gabby's story isn't just

31:22

tragic, but it's a wake-up call. There

31:24

are so many people in relationships like

31:26

this, and many people don't make it

31:28

out. The signs of coercive control, emotional

31:30

abuse, the isolation, they were all there,

31:32

but they were very easy to miss.

31:34

Especially when Brian and Gabby's life just

31:37

looked so perfect from the outside. So

31:39

what do you take away? What are

31:41

the big things? We always talk about...

31:43

generating awareness on this channel learn from

31:45

it, how we can identify red flag.

31:47

So what do we learn? Pay attention

31:49

to the warning signs. If someone in

31:51

your life is suddenly isolated, anxious, or

31:53

constantly apologizing for their partner's behavior, you

31:55

should check in on them. And I'm

31:57

going to give a personal example here.

31:59

Not that something that I noticed with

32:01

a friend of mine or a family

32:03

member, but something that happened to me.

32:05

I was in a relationship when I

32:07

was... How old was I? Let's call

32:09

it 24 years old, maybe. 24 or

32:11

25. And it was with someone who

32:13

I had a history with, who I

32:15

had been with years earlier, and we

32:17

were trying to give it another shot.

32:19

He was much older than me. And

32:21

he wanted total control over me. And

32:23

I at first romantic total control over

32:25

me. And I at first romanticized it.

32:27

I was like, he just loves me

32:29

so much. He just, his whole world,

32:31

like he just wants to be with

32:33

me all the time because we're so

32:35

in love and this and that. Over

32:37

time it got to the point where

32:39

he wouldn't even let me work literally

32:41

He would not let me go to

32:43

work and then when I started working

32:45

remotely He and I bring my laptop

32:47

to his house and I would be

32:49

like okay I just need to like

32:51

have a couple hours I have a

32:53

little bit of work to do because

32:55

I was doing more consulting stuff at

32:57

that time He would get mad. He

32:59

wouldn't even let me work on my

33:01

laptop and in the rare moment that

33:03

he would he would be sitting over

33:05

me like watching me to where I

33:07

almost felt, it got so bad to

33:09

where I felt guilty even trying to

33:11

work when I was near him, I

33:13

felt like I couldn't. He, anytime like

33:15

if my phone would go off and

33:17

I got a text message and I

33:19

grabbed it, not like I was saying

33:21

they're scrolling, but like if I went

33:23

to respond, he'd be like, you're always

33:25

on your phone, why you always on

33:27

your phone, like who are you talking

33:29

to, what's going on, to where I

33:31

would start silencing my phone and like

33:33

keep it. It was my fault that

33:35

I shouldn't be talking on my phone.

33:37

It almost made me feel like... And

33:39

again, I'm sorry, I'm not... I didn't

33:41

prepare how I wanted to say this,

33:43

so I'm not explaining it very... thoroughly

33:45

or clearly but it's like it brings

33:47

me right back there it he made

33:49

me feel like I genuinely was doing

33:51

something wrong to where I thought that

33:54

I was being shady I thought that

33:56

I had to hide things because I

33:58

was like oh my god he's gonna

34:00

get mad at me what he's gonna

34:02

get what is he gonna get mad

34:04

at me for next I can't work

34:06

I can't do this And I slowly

34:08

started to realize how he was isolating

34:10

me from everybody. He didn't want me

34:12

working. He didn't want me talking to

34:14

people. He wouldn't allow me to talk

34:16

on my phone. Anytime we went somewhere,

34:18

he always insisted that he was the

34:20

one who would drive us, which I

34:22

thought was like polite at first. But

34:24

then I started to realize as time

34:26

went on, it wasn't. It was so

34:28

that I couldn't leave. And it got

34:30

to be really, I don't want to

34:32

say scary, but very uncomfortable. this is

34:34

very TMI, but so much so that

34:36

like he would demand when we would

34:38

be intimate and I felt like I

34:40

had no other option but to do

34:42

that and like because I was scared

34:44

of how he was going to react

34:46

and this was more emotional and mental

34:48

it didn't get physical with him ever.

34:50

Unfortunately I have a track record of

34:52

that too which is why I talk

34:54

about true crime I've learned a lot

34:56

guys but um It gets really scary.

34:58

And so sometimes, like for me, luckily,

35:00

I was able to identify what was

35:02

happening and I realized after it took

35:04

me a while, but I realized something

35:06

wasn't right and I ended up just

35:08

like leaving one. Like he said something

35:10

to me one day. I remember I

35:12

went to his house and he had

35:14

a bad day and I had just

35:16

arrived and it was like two in

35:18

the afternoon, okay? And he had had

35:20

a really bad day and he was

35:22

proposing asking. I don't even know how

35:24

you would want to want to say

35:26

it. insinuating that we needed to be

35:28

intimate right at that moment. I was

35:30

like, bro, chill. I just got here

35:32

like, and no, like, I'm not just

35:34

here to be on demand for you.

35:36

Like, it was very uncomfortable. And he

35:38

like gasped me. He's like, I'm having

35:40

a really bad day and you don't

35:42

want to do what will make me

35:44

feel better. You don't want to do

35:46

what will make me feel better. You

35:48

don't want to comfort me. You don't

35:50

want to do that. Like, what the

35:52

fact like, like, and made it, when

35:54

I started smoking, started smoking, started smoking,

35:56

smoking, smoking, smoking, smoking, smoking, smoking, making

35:58

me, making me, making me, making me,

36:00

making me, making me, making me, making

36:02

me, making me, making me, making me,

36:04

like, like, like, like, it was, it

36:06

was, it was, like, like, it was,

36:08

like, it was, like, it was, it

36:11

was, like, like, it was, like, you're

36:13

right, I'm being selfish, this and that.

36:15

But to where I was like, what

36:17

is happening here? Like, he's making me

36:19

the bad guy in this situation, like,

36:21

because I don't want to have sex

36:23

with him right now, because I just

36:25

walked in the door and it's 2

36:27

p.m. and like, he's telling me the

36:29

reason I need to be having sex

36:31

with him isn't because I want to,

36:33

it's because I want to, it's because

36:35

I need to make him feel like,

36:37

And so while he was outside on

36:39

the patio in the back of the

36:41

house smoking, I just left. I just

36:43

got my keys and I left. He

36:45

started blowing up my phone. Where the

36:47

fuck are you? What are you doing?

36:49

And I was just like, first of

36:51

all, nobody has ever made me feel

36:53

as cheap as you just did right

36:55

now and as controlled. And I'm done.

36:57

And that was literally the last time

36:59

I ever saw him. And it was

37:01

the best decision I ever made because

37:03

that relationship was so toxic for a

37:05

multitude of a multitude of reasons. just

37:07

beyond. So, sorry, my whole point in

37:09

explaining that is that sometimes you can

37:11

identify these things within yourself or your

37:13

own relationship, which is great, but sometimes

37:15

you can't until it's too late. So

37:17

if you ever notice that one of

37:19

your friends or family members is starting

37:21

to pull away or withdrawal or that

37:23

they're always trying to make excuses for

37:25

their partner's behavior, just check in on

37:27

them. Also believe victims when they speak

37:29

up. did confide in people, but nobody

37:31

really fully grasped how much danger she

37:33

was in. And that's not to their

37:35

fault at all. She wasn't fully disclosing

37:37

the severity of it. But even if

37:39

people give you a little bit of

37:41

information, err on the side of caution,

37:43

in my opinion, and think that the

37:45

situation is much bigger than what they're

37:47

probably sharing. Just like how what is

37:49

the truth of people say? What is

37:51

it? It's like some sort of expression

37:53

where if like if guys tell you

37:55

they've slept with five girls multiply it

37:57

by 10 If girls tell you they

37:59

only spent $20 at the mall multiply

38:01

it by 10 like things like that

38:03

like inflate it if they are giving

38:05

you a little bit it's safe to

38:07

assume they're just trying to be just

38:09

discretionary and conservative with what they're sharing,

38:11

maybe even getting a pulse check on

38:13

it. So I would say air on

38:15

the side of caution and assume that

38:17

things are bigger than what they're saying.

38:19

Also, I think it's very important to

38:21

know that leaving is the most dangerous

38:23

time. If someone is trying to leave

38:25

an abusive relationship, they or you need

38:27

support. and you need a safety plan

38:30

in place. This statistic is something like

38:32

it takes you seven or eight times

38:34

to successfully leave. And we also know

38:36

that statistically leaving is the most dangerous

38:38

time to do so. So all in

38:40

all, the Netflix series, American Murder, Gabby

38:42

Petito, it is a tough watch, but

38:44

it is necessary. It goes beyond just

38:46

telling us what happened, but it really

38:48

forces us to see the very deep-rooted

38:50

layers of abuse, control, and manipulation that

38:52

ultimately led to Gabby's death. Her story

38:54

should have ended differently. She should have

38:56

made it home. She should have had

38:58

the chance to live the life that

39:00

she dreamed of. But now, the best

39:02

that we can hope to do is

39:04

make sure that her story helps others,

39:06

helps other people recognize the warning signs

39:08

before it's too late. So if you

39:10

or someone you know is in a

39:12

toxic or an abusive relationship, Please, please

39:14

reach out for help. Resources are available

39:16

and there are people who will listen

39:18

because Gabby's story deserves to be more

39:20

than just another true crime case. It

39:22

should be a lesson and it should

39:24

be something that helps prevent this from

39:26

happening to anybody else. And I could

39:28

go on and on and on to

39:30

about my thoughts about the dirty laundries,

39:32

the despicable human beings they are and

39:34

what they did to Gabby's family when

39:36

Brian returned home and how freaking vile

39:38

they are. but I would probably punch

39:40

the camera if I continue talking about

39:42

it because it makes me so angry.

39:44

It makes me just, I have a

39:46

visceral reaction of just rage when I

39:48

think about them. And I recently did

39:50

talk on my podcast about all of

39:52

the conspiracies about if Brian's still alive,

39:54

if his family helped him because I

39:56

know a lot of people are now

39:58

dredging that back up. So. It's only

40:00

available on the podcast, not YouTube, but

40:02

you can find it on Apple or

40:04

on Patreon. It's not, or on Patreon,

40:06

it's not on Spotify, only Apple or

40:08

Patreon, but we talk a lot about

40:10

that. But they are just the most

40:12

despicable human beings ever, and I hope

40:14

that they never walk into a single

40:16

public place for the rest of their

40:18

lives without eyes just burning into their

40:20

souls, because they are evil. The fact

40:22

that they could do that to another

40:24

mother and another family and withhold that

40:26

information. It is the cruelest thing on

40:28

the planet in my opinion. So anyway,

40:30

I know that this one was a

40:32

little bit unpolished. It kind of brings

40:34

us back to our roots of how

40:36

we started this channel. So if you've

40:38

been here since the beginning, you understand.

40:40

This is kind of a throwback to

40:42

those days, but I just wanted to

40:44

jump on here. I wanted to share

40:47

a lot about this and just kind

40:49

of give you my take on everything

40:51

and again. The purpose of sharing her

40:53

story and talking about it is to

40:55

raise awareness. That's all we can do

40:57

at this point, but it is such

40:59

a valuable tool and it is such

41:01

a good learning lesson for us. So

41:03

I really appreciate you tuning in despite

41:05

I'm sure already being familiar with the

41:07

story and watching so I'm sure already

41:09

being familiar with the story and watching

41:11

so much content out there. All right

41:13

guys, thank you so much for tuning

41:15

into another episode of serialously with me

41:17

Annie. I appreciate you guys being here.

41:19

I would greatly appreciate it. And make

41:21

sure that you are following because I

41:23

actually have another bonus episode that is

41:25

going to be dropping either later this

41:27

week or early next. And it's one

41:29

more where I covered a case recently

41:31

and I was like, we're not done.

41:33

I got to drag this guy's ass.

41:35

I got to show who the real

41:37

person is, what the real person under

41:39

the mask that they're putting out there

41:41

in the public is. So that's coming

41:43

very soon. All right, guys, thanks again.

41:45

And until the next one. Please, please,

41:47

please, please, please, stay safe. Be nice,

41:49

don't kill anyone, and do not join

41:51

any quotes. All right, bye. you.