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1:37

David Olson here, you listen

1:40

to Tom and Zeus here

1:42

on the shout it out

1:44

loud cast. Oh boy,

1:49

here

1:52

we

1:56

go.

2:02

Stop shouting! He's not

2:04

what you're calling it,

2:06

he's not what you

2:08

recall, he answered. Oh

2:10

no, he had done

2:12

the kiss times. That's

2:15

a positive thing, okay?

2:17

All right, but I

2:19

grabbed me an ice

2:21

cold bell and got

2:23

him. Why? Why do

2:25

that to the fan?

2:27

Stop. Yes,

2:35

settle down. Yellow, any

2:38

whats up there, kiss

2:41

army. Tom and

2:43

Zeus in another

2:45

episode of Shout

2:47

In Out Loudcast,

2:49

episode 318. Kiss on

2:52

Spotify. Whooo! Yeah,

2:54

the world of streaming

2:56

in Kiss. I

2:58

don't think I've ever

3:01

used kiss on

3:03

Spotify. Ever so great

3:06

topic today. Yeah, well

3:08

I do so go

3:11

Zeus wants to use

3:13

fucking kiss on America

3:16

online Kiss on

3:18

Netscape Netscape Kiss

3:20

on my space

3:23

coming up next My

3:25

space it's my space

3:28

it's really fun. It's

3:30

a lot of fun

3:32

people Is Jim

3:35

around? What is he

3:37

saying? That name stayed

3:39

with me. What the fuck?

3:41

Oh God. All right, we

3:44

got to move on. We

3:46

got to move on. All

3:48

right, Tom, what did we

3:51

do last week? So we

3:53

talked about kiss in their

3:56

hair metal years,

3:58

quote unquote. Yeah, and

4:00

of course we do a poll as always,

4:02

so the poll was, which of these is

4:04

your favorite song from that era?

4:07

Now this is the Twitter poll.

4:09

Zeus does the Instagram polls. His

4:11

was a slightly different, different, hot

4:13

in the shade songs. But the

4:16

Twitter poll was, tears are fallen,

4:18

let's put the X and Sex,

4:20

turn on the night, and rise to

4:22

it. Tears are falling, destroyed this

4:24

poll, I'm surprised. I do not understand

4:26

the fucking love for that song.

4:29

I do not understand. 50% of

4:31

the votes. Turn on the night.

4:34

Very surprisingly good got 32% rise

4:36

to a got 12. Let's

4:38

put the X and sex

4:40

only seven. And that's only

4:42

got one vote me. I think let's

4:45

put the X and sex as

4:47

super underrate. It's probably your fault.

4:49

Oh, I love that fucking stuff.

4:52

Doing the Jedi Mind. Actually, I'm

4:54

not going to lie. I like

4:56

you. That's somebody knocking, so I

4:58

opened up the door. I like

5:01

you make me rock hard. I

5:03

think it's got a fucking great

5:05

bridge in the chorus. I think

5:07

it's great stupid. And I thought what

5:09

are you looking at my

5:11

underpants. I'm going to

5:13

mail you some surprises and then

5:16

you'll figure it out that it

5:18

was me, I was your secret

5:20

admirer of all. Secretly cruel like

5:22

Gene said. All right, let's look

5:24

at some whole comments. Twisted

5:26

Kister says rise to it for

5:29

me though it's probably more regular

5:31

hard rock than hair in relation

5:33

to the other. I don't know

5:35

about that. Who wants to be

5:37

lonely is my top kiss song

5:39

from this era. Okay. Dave G

5:41

decisions decisions I have to say all

5:43

four get my vote vote I wish

5:45

polls had the option of all the

5:47

above well the polls have the options

5:49

that we provide so maybe someday we'll

5:51

do it all the above The metal

5:53

oasis podcast that's our buddy Adam

5:56

Stevenson that's his podcast those voting

5:58

for tears of fun have never

6:00

listened to turn on the night, the

6:02

great point. And then John Gross says,

6:04

tears are falling. MD says, Kiffen,

6:06

Kiss definitely had a hair

6:09

metal phase, and coincidentally, that phase

6:11

is tied to a specific lineup

6:13

of the band. The entire Kulikkah

6:15

era, before you had Vinny Vincent

6:17

and lick it up, Mark, St.

6:19

John and Animalize, and then after

6:21

you had Eric singing and revenge,

6:23

Kulikar era was perfect for hair

6:26

metal, both music and image. Brett

6:28

Roscoe says I can't pick between

6:30

Tears are falling and turn on

6:32

the night very different songs, but

6:34

equally 10 out of 10 Paul

6:36

wrote some absolute gems He certainly

6:38

did and let's take a look at

6:40

the episode itself here Coach Green says

6:42

I have a playlist of not make-up

6:44

kiss in my truck I go to

6:46

a way more often than any other

6:49

kiss music dare I say it's my

6:51

favorite era of the band a lot

6:53

of people say that and I don't

6:55

know if it's Just because the makeup

6:57

stuff has been beaten into the ground

6:59

or because the 80 stuff is that

7:01

is that good. I don't know

7:03

perfectly stated The 80 stuff is

7:06

just underplayed. Yeah, and they're

7:08

mostly deep cuts that right

7:10

never heard The kiss has beaten

7:12

their shit into the ground

7:14

Between the set lists and all

7:16

the compilations that you can't

7:19

do those songs are everywhere

7:21

Okay, here comes the debt debt debt

7:23

debt Well, I don't know if

7:25

that's just in the 80s music

7:27

or hair metal phase ball, but

7:29

maybe it's in some of the

7:31

earlier stuff too, but all right.

7:33

Thanks to that input Paul

7:35

Scott with three T's says

7:37

imagine if kiss only existed

7:39

from creatures of the night to

7:42

hot in the shade Then imagine

7:44

they released a double album best

7:46

of from those albums. What other

7:48

80s rock band would have a

7:50

best of that strong and deep?

7:53

Brendan Crabb said, so the band had

7:55

a Prague freight phase with the elder, a

7:57

hair metal phase, mid to late 80s, and

7:59

a grudge. phase with carnival. If

8:01

the reunion had fallen apart,

8:03

could there have been a

8:05

new metal phase with guest

8:08

wrappers and off-stage DJ, Gene

8:10

spiking his hair and Paul

8:12

wearing Adidas gear? Yes! Yes,

8:14

that would have happened. The

8:16

Elder is Prague? Yeah. That's definitely

8:19

considered Pragueie. Yeah.

8:21

Oh yeah, what part? The whole album.

8:24

That's like a total like

8:26

Rush 2112 experimental weird shit.

8:28

That's Praggy, oh for sure.

8:30

Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. Well,

8:33

okay. But he's right. Gene definitely

8:35

would have done that. Let's go

8:37

all the way back to our

8:40

100th episode with Bruce Kewlick when

8:42

he played paralyzed and a little

8:44

breakdown with the rap. Remember that

8:47

Zeus and you were laughing about

8:49

that? That's what they would have

8:51

done. When a lot of my friends

8:53

are Jewish, I lived with a Jewish

8:55

girl for 10 years. At

9:00

least that's relevant. Very

9:02

topical, Ace, thanks. Beach Boys and

9:05

The Goat says, of course they were

9:07

hair metal, but as you pretty much

9:09

said, they invented the genre, so no

9:11

shame in that. As far as the

9:13

legacy, I think it did hurt them.

9:16

I was a huge kiss fan in

9:18

the 80s, and a lot of people

9:20

I went to school with considered

9:23

them their older brothers band.

9:25

Yeah? Yes, one two. Right,

9:27

Ace, we're good. Thank you.

9:29

Thanks to Ace, we're all

9:31

set with Twitter. God.

9:33

Crazy brought Rachel.

9:35

Oh, Christ. On the book of

9:38

face. All right. Bobby Kenner.

9:40

Fun discussion, boys.

9:42

The era of 80s rock

9:44

music in general has

9:47

always been a big part of

9:49

my life, and I enjoyed Kiss's

9:51

time in it. Still Do. Loving

9:53

the opening rants you couldn't be

9:55

more on target. It makes you

9:57

wonder how much better would have

9:59

been. to be an adult collective

10:01

kid's merch in the late 70s.

10:04

They got it back then. As

10:06

far as Jericho's, Paul interview goes,

10:09

I enjoy it. If it makes

10:11

me want you to hear you

10:13

guys talk to Paul even more,

10:16

like Chris, you would ask him

10:18

hard hitting questions. It wouldn't be

10:20

Paul's blow fest the whole time.

10:23

Keep kissing ass fellas. Thank

10:25

you, Bobby. Thank you. Good, great

10:27

episode Tom and Zeus. Zeus

10:29

take on haughty kiss fans

10:31

who are offended by any criticism

10:34

directed at their band was

10:36

spot on. I'm gonna, before

10:38

I read the rest of

10:40

your comment, it's not, it's

10:42

not like you can't criticize

10:44

my band. It's I know

10:46

better than you. No, you didn't,

10:48

you know, going on our... Loudcaster's group

10:50

page when people make comments and

10:53

then fucking correcting them in a

10:55

condescending manner like you know better

10:57

and they're not up to your

10:59

stuff and they need to work

11:01

on shit like shut the fuck

11:03

up dude you're not the people

11:05

that jump in on loudcasters to

11:07

try to quote unquote educate people

11:09

because they don't really know what

11:11

they're talking about your opinion isn't

11:13

really valid because I know more

11:15

than you so let me educate

11:17

you and why you're wrong. Oh

11:19

fuck yourself. And

11:21

just give like cold

11:24

blank just answer

11:26

just like fuck off

11:28

go fucking play with

11:30

your toys. Anyway. Sadly,

11:33

some of these fans have podcasts too.

11:35

I no longer subscribe to the podcast

11:37

or post on their sites. That's the

11:39

smart way. Even if the slightest hit

11:42

criticism is met with haughty tantrum-like rants.

11:44

You are absolutely correct. These are not

11:46

real fans. Real fans can be objective

11:48

and critical. As Tom so aptly put

11:50

it, it's a real fans love for

11:52

kiss that allows them to be critical.

11:55

Keep up the great work guys. Thank

11:57

you. And you know, we're not telling

11:59

you, you can't... listen to other people.

12:01

You can't. But know what you're getting.

12:03

And that's all we have to say.

12:06

Just some of this shit is... I'm

12:08

telling you, Tom and I have a

12:10

hard time navigating in this fucking kiss

12:13

world. There's a lot of fucking annoying

12:15

shit that makes us want to just

12:17

fucking be like, you know what, we're

12:19

done. And it ain't our lardcasters that's

12:22

what no no and we talked about

12:24

this a little bit like what to

12:26

prepare for when kiss retires we're about

12:29

15 months into the end of kiss

12:31

and it's kind of exactly what we

12:33

thought it was gonna be yeah and

12:35

it's literally half of them are blowing

12:38

each other over the stupidest things half

12:40

of them can't be fucking critical of

12:42

anything because they want fucking access to

12:45

pop house and all everything else other

12:47

people are fucking patting themselves on themselves

12:49

on themselves on themselves well I

12:52

was part of that review, you know,

12:54

yeah, not to say anything, but like,

12:56

you know, I was on that conference

12:59

call when they decided to do things.

13:01

Yeah. Fuck up, dude, would you? It

13:03

just sounds so, it's fucking pathetic. It's

13:06

pompous, it's pompous, it's all it is.

13:08

That's the word. Fucking, haughty piss fans.

13:10

All right, let's go over to loud.

13:12

Casters. Daniel Haller Houston. I will admit

13:15

it, if Kiss heading on full hair

13:17

metal and hadn't had Bruce as a

13:19

big-time guitar player, I may not have

13:22

paid attention to them. It was super

13:24

popular at the time and seemed less

13:26

goofy than it actually was. It didn't

13:29

age well, sure, but it's what they

13:31

needed to do at the time to

13:33

make sure this 14-year-old guitar nerd's guilty

13:36

didn't move on. Yeah, well said, Daniel

13:38

Hall of Houston. Absolutely. Joseph Collins adds

13:40

no other band could do what they

13:42

did over that period. I agree with

13:45

you. They stayed relevant. My throne says

13:47

kiss not only fit with their hair

13:49

metal in many ways, they were saved

13:52

by their metal. Where would their career

13:54

have gone if hair metal didn't get

13:56

big? I saw them three times in

13:59

that era with open and ax, black

14:01

and blue, helix and winger. All great

14:03

shows. All right, thank you. Charles, don't

14:05

call me Mark Eaton. I came into

14:08

kiss phantom in the asylum era. My

14:10

lifelong pal, yo Sean! Hey, what's up,

14:12

Sean? I hope you're listening. Played the

14:15

cassettes and attracts if everything his older

14:17

brother had. Early Kiss, animalized, animalized kiss,

14:19

and then when he showed me VHS

14:22

of animalized, live on sensor. I was

14:24

all in. Hey, that's what got me

14:26

hooked back in. Finally, Crazy Nights made

14:29

me official Kiss cassette owner. So of

14:31

course, this is my era of Kiss.

14:33

Everything before and after, I was a

14:35

fan. Kiss was the soundtrack to some

14:38

of the best days and nights in

14:40

my life. You guys take me down

14:42

that nostalgic road every Saturday. We, we,

14:45

he says Gene's voice, La Ferns. No,

14:47

we can always depend on Thomas' who's

14:49

to give us kiss content we want.

14:52

And that's why we're here. Much appreciated,

14:54

Charles. You've been a great listener for

14:56

a long time. Thank you, brother. Yeah,

14:58

awesome. Thank you. Frank Anselone says, another

15:01

great episode made even better by the

15:03

appearance of Angry Tom. You guys post

15:05

an interesting what-if scenario. That would have

15:08

made all the difference of Kistart in

15:10

83. You wouldn't have had the makeup

15:12

error to compare anything else to. So

15:15

I think they would have been treated

15:17

differently. People would have been treated differently.

15:19

Yeah, I'm not saying they'd be as

15:21

big as kiss with the makeup, but

15:24

they may have been as big as

15:26

any other band in that hair metal

15:28

arrow. You never know. Yep. Yep. Uh,

15:31

Sneed Rock. While I became a kiss

15:33

fan during the Animalize and love the

15:35

non-make-up albums, I feel kiss was grandfathered

15:38

into the hair metal era. If kiss

15:40

started in the hair metal, they wouldn't

15:42

have lasted. When he's disagreeing what I

15:45

said. When kiss was in their hair

15:47

metal era, they seemed old compared to

15:49

newer bands. Yep, we mentioned that. Yep,

15:51

they were. At the time. But you

15:54

couldn't deny the 80's hair metal built

15:56

its widespread appeal on the foundation of

15:58

what kiss build in the 70s. As

16:01

a side note, in terms of the

16:03

Jericho interview, I think you gave him

16:05

a lot of credit. When I heard

16:08

it sounded like soft questions and Chris

16:10

was quick to accept Paul's old and

16:12

tired cliche answers. Him and Paul are

16:14

friends? I can tell you that. Okay?

16:17

Now... He asked him stuff point blank,

16:19

we haven't had anybody ask him. What's

16:21

he going to say? No Paul, that's

16:24

a bullshit answer. I mean, you're still

16:26

limited. Even us, if we had Paul

16:28

on, we would try to sneak in

16:31

some questions that he doesn't get asked.

16:33

But you're not going to fucking blow

16:35

the whole interview with pushing back so

16:38

hard on the first question that you

16:40

posed to him that's uncomfortable. It doesn't

16:42

work that way. So I'm not going

16:44

to even, I thought that comparatively speaking,

16:47

I thought Chris's interview was the best

16:49

we've heard in a while. No doubt.

16:51

And we're not just saying that because

16:54

Chris is our buddy either. It was

16:56

legitimately, especially because it was so quick

16:58

after that Richard Marx debacle. Yeah, exactly.

17:01

Yeah. John Whiteman ads. My older brother's

17:03

love kiss, so that's what I heard

17:05

in the first six or seven years,

17:07

but they checked out after dynasty, kind

17:10

of like us. I missed a few

17:12

years, they got back to the kiss

17:14

around crazy nights and became obsessed. 80's

17:17

hairband kiss was my band, and I

17:19

barely listened to the old stuff. I

17:21

remember buying all the magazines hoping for

17:24

any shred of kiss news. My bedroom

17:26

was all recovered with 80's kiss posters,

17:28

sorry, post-daws. Pictures

17:31

from hit Parade and Metal

17:33

Edge. Even a few Jerry

17:35

Miller's handsome face hanging out

17:37

with KISS. Horseface jackass, whatever

17:39

that is. Horse tooth jackass.

17:41

The Kulikar error is still

17:43

my favorite by far and

17:45

I think 8693 is the

17:47

second golden age of KISS.

17:49

Great comment man. Like that.

17:51

Ray Gallus will end with

17:53

him here. I love every

17:55

time KISS tries something new

17:57

experiment. I grew up in

17:59

70s kiss, but the 80s

18:01

and by far my favorite

18:03

area of the band. Jericho

18:05

is right. Elder destroyer, asylum,

18:07

hot in the shade, even

18:09

the dread crazy nights and

18:11

the fantastic carnival souls all

18:13

was something different, evolving for

18:15

the band. No other band

18:17

could do this. That's an

18:19

excellent point. All right, let's

18:21

move over to YouTube. I

18:23

played Pokemon Go. Oh here

18:25

we go. I know I

18:27

know I know this comment.

18:29

I was in the fourth

18:31

grade when the games and

18:33

cards took off in the

18:35

US. I don't even know

18:37

if I say it correctly.

18:39

Pokemon or Pokemon? It's supposed

18:41

to be, it's supposed to

18:43

be Pokemon. Pokemon? Yeah. Sounds

18:45

like fucking history in the

18:47

world. Takamada. Let's face it.

18:49

You can't takamata anything. Pokemon

18:51

Go came out while I

18:53

was in college Was fun

18:55

to go with roommates and

18:57

friends on campus when it

19:00

came out remember people doing

19:02

that Tom and people going

19:04

into people's backyards and be

19:06

like getting fucking shot for

19:08

trespassing and shit Yeah Big

19:10

crazy I periodically play it

19:12

still plus you can transfer

19:14

ones you catch and Pokemon

19:16

go and other Pokemon games

19:18

on switch My five-year-old number

19:20

two my five-year-old love coloring

19:22

They love having me color

19:24

with them So I picked

19:26

up one of those adult

19:28

color in books to color

19:30

as you all gather on

19:32

the table of color in

19:34

the evening Really a lot

19:36

of fun. I am making

19:38

memories Yes, and that is

19:40

exactly not what I was

19:42

talking about You're buying them

19:44

so that you can enjoy

19:46

something with your children and

19:48

how old are they? the

19:50

proper age for coloring If

19:52

you were alone at your

19:54

kitchen table with a coloring

19:56

book, you'd have a problem.

19:58

But you're doing it with

20:00

your kids. So it's absolutely

20:02

not the same point I

20:04

was making. I'm glad you're

20:06

enjoying it with your kids.

20:08

Keep doing it. That's great.

20:10

And I'm not being haughty

20:12

when I talk like that

20:14

either. Trust me. Disneyland is

20:16

for children. Is Disneyland a

20:18

country. That is the country

20:20

of Jordan. That's the country

20:22

of Jordan. Troats. Pete Gibbons,

20:24

7453. Here, metal is so

20:26

popular for one reason. Girls.

20:28

It was harmless pop with

20:30

long-haired, good-looking singers. Look at

20:32

any constant video from that

20:35

or Bon Jovey. Crew. The

20:37

crowd is almost all girls.

20:39

Those videos ruled MTV. Metal

20:41

bands like Metallica. Like Maiden,

20:43

Precise Metallic had zero radio

20:45

play or MTV coverage and

20:47

Maiden still sold out four

20:49

nights in LA Forum in

20:51

1984. And Kiss was a

20:53

hairband, asylum is almost the

20:55

blueprint for 80s neon MTV

20:57

hairbands. One thing I'm going

20:59

to add to that. Yeah,

21:01

1984. Not many hairbands in

21:03

1984. Were they doing that

21:05

in 1987? 88? That's my

21:07

question. I'll end this one

21:09

last note. I even know

21:11

if I should read it,

21:13

but I'm gonna... Broke on

21:15

records. Uh-oh. Do you think

21:17

Paul has his deformed ear

21:19

on the gay side? Oh,

21:21

jeez. What the fuck? I

21:23

can't. I can't. Anyway, over

21:25

to you, buddy. All right,

21:27

let's get a couple things

21:29

here with Instagram and some

21:31

emails on Instagram. We get

21:33

Dave Rockstar. Great episode guys,

21:35

I agree. Not really a

21:37

hair metal band, but definitely

21:39

we're still part of the

21:41

era. went through the phase

21:43

like many other artists. PS,

21:45

the discussion about the coloring

21:47

books had me in stitches.

21:49

Oh good, I'm glad we

21:51

can make you laugh, Dave,

21:53

that's what we I like

21:55

to do here. Let's get

21:57

a couple emails here. Tons

21:59

of great emails, we're gonna

22:01

try to fly through these

22:03

here. We got one from

22:05

our buddy, Trent Valley. Per

22:07

usual, you guys absolutely fucking

22:10

nailed it. Nobody in their

22:12

right mind would argue that

22:14

kiss is a hair metal

22:16

band, but their hair metal

22:18

band's to shame. A great

22:20

example is my favorite band,

22:22

Motley Crew. They had an

22:24

iconic 81 to 89 run,

22:26

but Kiss from 84 to

22:28

89 in their hair phase

22:30

had arguably just as good

22:32

a run if not better

22:34

than Motley. I don't think

22:36

there's any denying that Paul

22:38

Stanley is a more iconic,

22:40

legendary, and better songwriter than

22:42

Nikki Six. Thanks for diving

22:44

into a very tumultuous era

22:46

in Kistery, but an air

22:48

that none of us would

22:50

wish to be erased. Great

22:52

point, Trent, Trent, love that.

22:54

Our buddy Jim Riley, excuse

22:57

me, shouted out Loudcast Hall

22:59

of Famer, Jim Riley. Kiss

23:01

was considered too old in

23:03

the hair metal era, yep.

23:05

More like hair lying metal,

23:07

if you can remember their

23:09

hair. Since 2020, I have

23:11

bought more Shouted out Loudcast

23:13

merch than Kiss's merch. So

23:15

come on and love me.

23:17

That's why we love Jim.

23:19

Love that. Daniel

23:22

Davis says in less than a month

23:24

I will be a 52 year old

23:26

kiss tart. Logic says I discovered kiss

23:28

in the late 70s and 80s, wrong.

23:30

I discovered kiss on a fall evening

23:32

in 1987. I was 14 years old

23:34

riding in the back seat of my

23:36

friend's caprice classic cruising on a Friday

23:38

night. How 80s was that? Rockarole Night

23:40

came plastic on the TSX 15 speakers

23:42

mounted two inches behind my head. I

23:44

remember these speakers because I bought them

23:46

for him for his first car. I

23:48

said who was that and I was

23:50

told it was kiss. Well my next

23:52

BMG and Columbia House tape catalog came

23:55

in the mail a short time after

23:57

this and holy shit the feature was

23:59

the new kiss album. crazy nights in

24:01

combination with a live. I could not

24:03

get my order into the mailbox fast

24:05

enough when I read that my new

24:07

favorite song was on the alive tape.

24:09

I listened to crazy nights maybe three

24:11

times until in the next 10 years.

24:13

I was one of these psychos that

24:15

had to have every album by a

24:17

band. So I started getting what I

24:19

could with the little paper root money

24:21

that I had. One trip to Musicland

24:23

I came across the new greatest hits

24:26

album and from that point I was

24:28

on a steady diet of Smashes. I

24:30

was in my late 20s before I

24:32

really listened to any other KISS album

24:34

titled Not Smashes Thrashes and Hits, Destroy

24:36

or Revenge. But once I finally gave

24:38

a whole catalog a chance for better

24:40

or worse, I went full on Kist

24:42

Out and I've never looked back. The

24:44

hair metal episode is one that was

24:46

special for me because although I didn't

24:48

truly discover the greatness of the band

24:50

this time period was the floor I

24:52

got off on the elevator, kind of.

24:54

QT and Z keep in the band

24:56

alive and thank you for all you

24:59

do to keep KISS more interesting than

25:01

they care to do in the past

25:03

20 years. Oh Daniel, that's awesome buddy.

25:05

Thank you so much. Our good friend

25:07

Brad backpack bad take Rustovan from the

25:09

Slam Fest podcast check him out great

25:11

topic and discussion. I don't believe kiss

25:13

on a hair metal phase at their

25:15

core. I fear they are a I

25:17

feel They are a hair metal band

25:19

that has had multiple other phases throughout

25:21

their career. As you mentioned they had

25:23

a disco pop and grunge phase but

25:25

they also had a brief progressive and

25:27

a couple of heavy metal phases. I

25:30

agree with Tom 100% kiss was absolutely

25:32

a hair metal band in the 70s

25:34

before that was even a defined genre.

25:36

Hair metal is pop influence hooks melodic

25:38

uppy rock anthems and a theatrical image

25:40

that is and has always been what

25:42

kiss is about. During both eras. The

25:44

majority of KISS's discography fits into this

25:46

category as well, including most of the

25:48

material from the 70s. Some people try

25:50

to categorize them as a heavy metal

25:52

band that dabbled in these other phases.

25:54

They are not a heavy metal band.

25:56

These are the same people that say

25:58

KISS got back to their roots without

26:01

them such as creatures. revenge, which are

26:03

both heavy metal albums. But what roots

26:05

are they talking about? Kiss wasn't putting

26:07

out heavy metal during the early to

26:09

mid-70s. They were putting out melodic, in

26:11

themic rock. Now how Kiss compared to

26:13

other metal metal bands that came out

26:15

in the 80s? I agree, they were

26:17

in the discussion and competed. But they

26:19

were not on the same level as

26:21

Motley, Rat, Bon Jobi, Def Leopard, or

26:23

Poison from a sales or ticket sales

26:25

standpoint. Keep it up with the fresh

26:27

topics and discussions topics and discussions, guys.

26:29

And we're going to wrap up email

26:31

here with our buddy, longtime friend and

26:34

supporter Adam Nierenberg. As I was listening

26:36

to the episode, I was thinking back

26:38

to when I was in high school

26:40

as hair metal was ascending. As I

26:42

heard these bands releasing power ballads, I

26:44

knew that I still love you, set

26:46

the template for all the songs that

26:48

came after it. Absolutely correct that Kiss's

26:50

hair metal face started with asylum as

26:52

far as the look was concerned. Musically,

26:54

I agree that that was always there.

26:56

Unfortunately. Other bands that got lumped in,

26:58

like the scorpions, this was their start

27:00

of their big run in America. The

27:02

F. Leopard started as part of the

27:05

new wave of British Heavy Metal. They

27:07

couldn't logistically return to the hard rock

27:09

from on through the night or high

27:11

and dry. Even Alice Cooper had a

27:13

hair metal phase with poison. Yeah, we

27:15

know. Just my perspective, having remembered how

27:17

it happened and hoping this doesn't come

27:19

off as haughty. Best, Adam, great email.

27:21

My friend, you're never haughty. So don't

27:23

worry back to wrap it back to

27:25

wrap it up. All

27:27

right, Tom, we're gonna

27:30

go back to YouTube.

27:32

Okay. And this is

27:34

from Michelle Lockhart 73.

27:37

Ooh, email fans and

27:39

listeners. Tom and Zeus,

27:41

keeping it creamy and

27:44

moist for me. Yeah.

27:46

Did you see the

27:48

Van Halen leaks? Yes.

27:51

Probably Kurt Gooch selling

27:53

hard drives again. I

27:56

don't know. Thank you for

27:59

telling us and giving us

28:01

that. Very descriptive visual. So

28:03

for that, Michelle Lockhart, you,

28:06

my friend, are actual comment

28:08

of the week. Good answer.

28:11

Good answer. I thought, what

28:13

you think? I'm gonna be

28:16

watching you. creamy and moist?

28:18

Damn! So if it was

28:20

a, if it was Jan

28:23

Terry that wrote into us

28:25

and said that, would you

28:28

be okay with it? No,

28:30

no, I'm visualizing some absolutely

28:33

smoking hot, Michelle, in my

28:35

mind, you are as smoking

28:37

hot as you can be.

28:40

Yeah, so maybe it's fucking

28:42

Lisa Spox after her. Lisa

28:45

Spark, she gets creamy and

28:47

moist from walking up a

28:50

flight of stairs, so that's

28:52

not her fault. That's just

28:54

her hot ass. And we're

28:57

not talking about looking well.

28:59

It's just hot ass syndrome.

29:02

Poor thing sweats gravy. Oh,

29:04

her ass. Swamp ass and

29:07

shit. Don't ruin the image.

29:09

Oh, stop. Stop. It smells

29:11

like hot garbage ass. Anyway,

29:14

but I like the point

29:16

that she makes. Yeah, we're

29:19

not getting involved in this

29:21

sort of Kurt Gooch is

29:24

going out. No, fuck no.

29:26

And more kiss haughty fans,

29:28

fucking writing manifestos about what

29:31

Kurt and Gooch did to

29:33

him. Like good, fucking lord,

29:36

the amount of time you

29:38

people put into this shit.

29:41

Holy embarrassment! Fuckin' Batman! Show

29:43

me on the... Show me

29:45

on the He-Man doll! hurt

29:48

Gooch, hurt you. It was

29:50

behind the corner of Castle

29:53

Grace Call. Good Lord. God,

29:55

you can't leave that in.

29:58

You can't. Okay, just check

30:00

it in. Oh, God. Thanks,

30:03

Jim. Anyway, Tom, we got

30:05

to think other people now.

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32:36

So Gene's been having some fun

32:38

posting some things on there There

32:40

was a lot of excitement

32:42

about We kind of talked about

32:44

this last week. It was actually

32:46

a question of the week about

32:49

Paul's son and Gene's son You

32:51

know would you want them to

32:53

take over and be you know

32:55

the new kiss 2.0? Well, they

32:57

apparently have seemingly quote-unquote

32:59

Recorded enough music to

33:02

make an album together Paul his

33:04

son Evan and Gene's son Nick.

33:06

So, you know, that's kind of

33:09

exciting. You know, who knows what

33:11

that means, but I know Gene

33:13

was very proud of that as

33:16

he should be. So that was

33:18

kind of exciting. And then he's

33:21

just, he's been kind of having

33:23

a little bit of fun and

33:26

posting some teasers about

33:28

his tour that's going to

33:30

be coming up. Talking

33:32

about Spotify, but it's

33:34

kind of really not

33:37

related to the episode

33:39

is they released I don't

33:41

know who signed off on this

33:43

But there was a special

33:46

version of I was made

33:48

for loving you some

33:50

new disco version that came

33:52

out and it is just an

33:54

abomination like you've ever heard

33:57

of in your life I

33:59

mean Yes, we know that it's

34:01

disco. This is the I was made

34:04

for loving you disco lines remix

34:06

It's called look I love kiss.

34:08

I love disco. I love pop.

34:10

This is an abomination. There's no

34:12

need for this There are of

34:14

course conspiracy theories came

34:16

out like oh, is this a

34:18

teaser for some kind of dynasty

34:20

special box set release? Why why

34:23

did this come from who's responsible

34:25

for this? I don't know but

34:27

it sucks Paul's posting

34:29

his sour pus face

34:32

on his bike doing

34:34

just you know being

34:36

grumpy and the pus. Other

34:39

than that you know Ace's

34:41

Torren Zeus not

34:43

really much right? Yeah

34:45

I'm still out there

34:47

trying to make a nipple.

34:50

Yeah he needs one. That's

34:52

about really it. We also, you

34:54

know, everyone's here in the hype

34:57

about the new things that are

34:59

coming down. Nothing to speculate,

35:01

just wait till they come

35:03

down. Let's do 15 episodes

35:06

about what might be coming.

35:08

What's gonna be in the box

35:10

at disc one? Tune in tonight.

35:12

Next week we're gonna guess what's

35:14

gonna be in box at disc

35:17

too. It's coming to my attention.

35:19

That he who should not be

35:21

named, I knew, I knew this

35:23

was coming, I knew this was

35:26

coming. That he who should

35:28

not be named is trying

35:30

to steal and abscond

35:33

with our, it's stolen

35:35

valor. Yeah. Our proclamation

35:37

that we are the

35:39

number one right to kiss

35:42

podcast. Not

35:44

everybody's favorite podcast.

35:47

No. No. We are the number

35:49

one ranked his podcast. And

35:51

it's simple. We don't throw it out

35:53

all the time. We put it out

35:56

there because it's something we're proud of.

35:58

And we've earned it with. you the

36:00

listeners and there's actually a measuring

36:02

for this stuff and it's called

36:05

chartable now chartable is gone but

36:07

you can look on your Apple

36:09

phone anytime you go on your

36:11

Apple phone if you go into

36:14

music and you go into like

36:16

as though you're searching you don't

36:18

have the ranks and you can

36:20

see top podcast and that's for

36:23

all of music and all podcasts

36:25

music is separating three categories interviews

36:27

interviews and history. Our podcast is

36:29

commentary. We comment. But overall, all

36:32

three of those are generalized and

36:34

put into music category. Every time

36:36

we put an episode out, we

36:38

rank in the top 200 music

36:41

in the country. Overall music. I

36:43

haven't seen one podcast in a

36:45

long time fit that category. The

36:47

only one that comes close and

36:50

does it once in a while.

36:52

is three sides and they earn

36:54

it because they'll usually have a

36:56

big guest or drop some big

36:59

news or whatever. Congrats. The rest

37:01

have never made it in there.

37:03

Okay. That's how we know. And

37:05

then also, you can also look

37:08

when you go to Applephone, Music,

37:10

Search, Top Episodes in Music. Ours

37:12

in the top 100 every time.

37:14

Every week we drop an episode,

37:17

it makes it to the top

37:19

100 music episodes of the week.

37:21

And no other podcast in the

37:23

Kiss community does that. None. We're

37:26

the only ones. Hence, we get

37:28

to proudly proclaim we are the

37:30

number one Kiss podcast. Now, some

37:32

fucking shithead that's a friend of

37:35

us thinks it's funny to say,

37:37

oh, he is on. a number

37:39

one kiss podcast. The day that

37:41

fucking podcast makes the top 100

37:44

anything will be the day I

37:46

retire in music because I give

37:48

up on what people want to

37:50

fucking here. So no, they are

37:53

not. They're not even close. And

37:55

all my footy pajama friends will

37:57

repeat that moniker and Tom is

37:59

more like puts that side is

38:02

puts that shit aside and doesn't

38:04

deal with it and deals with

38:06

it well me I'm like fuck

38:08

you I'll confront you I'll tell

38:11

you stop saying lies and bullshit

38:13

you're not even close it ain't

38:15

funny anymore it's stupid and so

38:17

don't fucking steal our moniker if

38:20

you want to say you're the

38:22

funniest you're the this you're the

38:24

this okay But don't see you're

38:26

the number one rank kiss podcast

38:29

of the number one podcast out

38:31

there. You're not. You're not even

38:33

fucking close to being the number

38:35

one kiss podcast. Not even fucking

38:38

close. So I got that off

38:40

my chest. And I'll now turn

38:42

it over to you, buddy. Yeah.

38:44

So one of the reasons why

38:47

Zeus and I kind of handle

38:49

certain things differently or whatever, you

38:51

know, it's a reason why we've

38:53

been together for six years or

38:56

whatever here. So I look at

38:58

it from another angle. Let's use

39:00

this example. Let's see, let's say

39:02

you've got like, there's a band

39:05

that claims that they're the number

39:07

one rock band in the United

39:09

States. Okay? Metallica. And let me

39:11

be clear, we're not comparing ourselves

39:14

to Metallica. Let's say Metallica is

39:16

with a number one rock band

39:18

in the United States. All the

39:20

charts show Metallica is number one.

39:22

And Tora-tora comes out and goes...

39:25

You guys just heard the new

39:27

album from the number one rock

39:29

band in the world. Metallica is

39:31

going to be like, what's a

39:34

matter with you? Why would you

39:36

say that when you know no

39:38

one believes it? That's how I

39:40

deal with this. Now I say

39:43

the opposite. There are no idiots

39:45

out there believe that. Now I

39:47

respect and I do agree with

39:49

how Zeus feels too. But to

39:52

me, it highlights the fact. that

39:54

you're not number one because you

39:56

go for now if now let

39:58

me let me also just add

40:01

this and i don't know if

40:03

you say this zoos if you

40:05

think that saying that is goofing

40:07

all on us. It's not. It's

40:10

not. And it's goofing on you.

40:12

So if you want to poop-poo

40:14

it, and if it doesn't matter

40:16

to you that you're not number

40:19

one or two or three or

40:21

four hundred or nine hundred, then

40:23

I don't know what you're doing

40:25

it for, and if you're doing

40:28

it to have fun, great. We're

40:30

doing it for more than that.

40:32

Which is why we're number one,

40:34

and which is why we've published

40:37

a book. So enjoy. Make. and

40:39

have some fun with that, because

40:41

that's how we run our show.

40:43

Yeah, Tom, you, um, you, you,

40:46

I think you give them too

40:48

much credit. I look at it

40:50

more or less, like, there are

40:52

idiots out there are going to

40:55

believe him. And don't, and you

40:57

just said, there are idiots, they're

40:59

idiots. Good. Yeah, and then you

41:01

have footy pajama buddies. Don't fucking,

41:04

sorry, using our, our fucking tagline.

41:06

Stop using our shit. It's bad

41:08

enough you used to fucking steal

41:10

all our fucking episode stuff and

41:13

everything else, but now that you

41:15

know That nonsense and and I'll

41:17

tell you it's fucking our idiot

41:19

friend. That's doing it more so

41:22

Okay, but you know, we'll we'll

41:24

respond look look at we put

41:26

a good amount of work into

41:28

making this look easy For you

41:31

guys, right? That's not easy. You

41:33

don't you don't see what we're

41:35

doing in the background But when

41:37

Tom and I come on it's

41:40

very fucking easy because we ever

41:42

We know each other for fucking

41:44

30 years and we have chemistry

41:46

and we can just fucking talk

41:49

But you know doing our hard

41:51

work and getting from where we

41:53

were Behind everybody because everybody had

41:55

it three to five to ten

41:58

years ahead of us Yep to

42:00

getting where we are now that

42:02

quickly ahead and way ahead took

42:04

hard work. And so we're proud

42:07

of it. And I'm not going

42:09

to let somebody stolen valve. stolen

42:11

it. It is. It's stolen valor.

42:13

And I'll be completely honest with

42:16

you and then we can just

42:18

kind of wrap this up. Yeah.

42:20

I don't understand the mindset mentality

42:22

or motivation in saying it. Like

42:25

because if again I want to

42:27

I want to make this clear.

42:29

I told you what it is

42:31

because if everybody says it then

42:34

it has no meaning anymore. Oh

42:36

yeah everybody says that they're the

42:38

number one. Oh so it means

42:40

nothing then. Okay. But see that's

42:43

the problem if you're that if

42:45

you're that. For lack of a

42:47

better word, if you're that uninformed,

42:49

to not know that there are

42:52

metrics out there that measure these

42:54

things, just like we're about to

42:56

talk to with Spotify downloads, or

42:58

record sales, or album sales, or

43:01

TV rings, they're a metric. Do

43:03

you think we just decided to

43:05

put a banner on our website,

43:07

saying number one rank kiss podcast,

43:10

or that we say we just

43:12

wanted to frig and blow ourselves?

43:14

No, it's because we worked hard

43:16

enough to have the metrics reflected.

43:19

And we didn't start saying that

43:21

until we were. Until it was

43:23

true. Right. Exactly. And again, please

43:25

put this in perspective. Podcast is

43:28

what we're talking about. Correct. Show.

43:30

Precise still blows us fucking away

43:32

when it goes to YouTube and

43:34

everything else. And they have the

43:37

right to say that for their

43:39

type of show. Hey, we're the

43:41

number one kiss YouTube podcast show.

43:43

Okay. But on podcasting. That's what

43:46

we do, okay? And great, they've

43:48

been at it for fucking many

43:50

years and I'm happy for their

43:52

success. Congratulations. I want other people

43:55

to be having great shows and

43:57

doing well and things like that.

43:59

What I don't want is someone

44:01

to fucking start taking our shit

44:04

again and get into fucking hijacking

44:06

shit that we do. So I

44:08

got it off the chest and

44:10

I'm sure it'll fucking continue because...

44:13

They got nothing else to fucking

44:15

go on. Oh no, yeah, this

44:17

will blow up even more, which

44:19

is great. I love it. Keep

44:22

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44:24

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46:41

right, so we're doing Kiss Spotify,

46:43

Tom. Take it away. Yeah, so

46:46

we thought it'd be kind of

46:48

funny to kind of break down

46:50

some statistics and get into the

46:52

weeds here. Zeus and I are

46:55

kind of like stat geek sports

46:57

fans. We've done fantasy sports and

46:59

all that kind of shit. We

47:01

love kind of arguing about that.

47:04

So we thought we'd kind of

47:06

look at Kiss as a band

47:08

where they are on Spotify. They're

47:10

popular songs, their rankings, their rankings,

47:13

when you click on a band.

47:15

They have their top 10. uh...

47:17

ranked songs i know sometimes when

47:19

i'm at work with some of

47:22

my other music buddies will get

47:24

bored will play the spotify game

47:26

which is kind of funny uh...

47:28

if you're a kiss nerd like

47:31

us kisses list is pretty predictable

47:33

but uh... let's let's kind of

47:35

get a jumping off point day

47:37

so it's kind of like a

47:40

like a nerdy little stat-based where

47:42

does kiss fall kind of in

47:44

the world of Spotify with rankings

47:46

and their song listing for the

47:49

top 10. Do we agree with

47:51

it? Is it right? Is it

47:53

a surprise? Is this why KISS

47:55

has all these songs on this

47:58

set list? Because they'd be like,

48:00

whoa, well, these are the songs

48:02

people want to hear. Look at

48:04

Spotify, right? Yeah, yeah. Why don't

48:07

you start going down the list?

48:09

Tell us what number 10 is.

48:11

Okay. So it's funny because I

48:13

don't know. It's weird. But some

48:16

of them if you look at

48:18

the numbers aren't statistically in order.

48:20

So I don't know how often

48:22

they reorganize themselves, but I'm just

48:24

going to go by the numbers

48:27

one through ten. So number ten

48:29

is Beth. Okay? Beth has... Just

48:31

under 75 million streams. I'm just

48:33

curious. How does that work because

48:36

I'm not Spotify user? I have

48:38

so so a stream is it?

48:40

No, no, but I'm saying is

48:42

this Beth destroyer Beth? Yes. Yep.

48:45

Okay. Yep. Yep. Because when you

48:47

click on it, it'll show you

48:49

the actual song and what album

48:51

it's pulling that from. So it's

48:54

the Beth destroyer version. Yep. Who

48:56

the fuck is seeking Beth out

48:58

to hear it. 75 million times.

49:00

Yeah, exactly. Number nine, now this

49:03

is where the numbers get kind

49:05

of, the next three are kind

49:07

of like weirdly ordered, but they,

49:09

but again, let me ask you,

49:12

let me ask you, before you

49:14

move on. Yeah, wouldn't that mean

49:16

like, if someone goes, oh, just

49:18

play kiss and some compilation comes

49:21

up, which obviously has Beth that

49:23

gets a play for Beth? Oh,

49:25

yeah, of course. Yeah. So that's

49:27

probably why it's like the generic

49:30

ones because all the compilations have

49:32

these songs. It could be that,

49:34

but it's funny, you're right, it

49:36

could be that, but it's interesting,

49:39

there's one song that I'm going

49:41

to get to that it shows

49:43

the album. But you might be

49:45

right. And Spotify, getting into the

49:48

weeds of how they break down

49:50

their statistics isn't clear. Because like,

49:52

there's a million versions of Beth,

49:54

it's on a million compilations, there's

49:57

a million versions of Detroit, Rock

49:59

City, it's on a bunch of

50:01

compilations. So maybe the statistics, it

50:03

does like an aggregate of, okay,

50:06

Beth from Double Platinum, Beth from

50:08

Smashes Thrashes Thras, and Hits, although

50:10

that's an era- publishers and the

50:12

songwriters get a percentage and have

50:15

to be paid. So Beth on

50:17

alive too, Beth on fucking whatever,

50:19

the version, the Eric Carr version

50:21

on Smashes. stretches. It's still the

50:24

songwriters have to get a percentage.

50:26

The publishers of the songs have

50:28

to get a credit. So I'm

50:30

assuming that's how they determine. Okay,

50:33

that's a play for Beth. Right?

50:35

I'm thinking, I don't know. It's

50:37

got it. No, it's got to

50:39

be. That's got to be how

50:42

it works. Okay. So what are

50:44

we got next? So the next

50:46

one. And again, this is where

50:48

the numbers are kind of off

50:51

a little bit. But this is

50:53

number nine. And crazy. Crazy Nights

50:55

at just under 90 million plays.

50:57

Who's playing that song? Everybody in

51:00

England, because that's where it's loved.

51:02

Now again, when you look at

51:04

this, if you were to click

51:06

on this link and play the

51:09

song, it would play the version

51:11

from the album Crazy Nights. be

51:13

in the top 10. So this

51:15

is the frustrating thing about this

51:18

and this is what I said

51:20

when we first started the discussion.

51:22

This is why, and obviously this

51:24

is anecdotal, I don't have proof,

51:27

but this is why KISS plays

51:29

the songs that they play. They

51:31

look at the Spotify. I'm just

51:33

saying it out loud to you,

51:36

like you know KISS fans? We

51:38

have we have a communication with

51:40

thousands of KISS fans. When are

51:42

people being like, crazy nights? What

51:45

about that? I agree. I would

51:47

love to see like a die-hard

51:49

kiss nerd top 10. This is

51:51

the ultimate kiss starter kit right

51:54

here. It really is. Number eight,

51:56

and again the numbers are backwards

51:58

here, but this is this is

52:00

number eight. This is Love Gun

52:03

off of the Love Gun album.

52:05

Yeah, 83 million streams. Now again,

52:07

these numbers are lower. Okay, the

52:09

top six are in order. The

52:12

bottom are kind of skewered because

52:14

I don't know how often they

52:16

update. So love gun at number

52:18

eight with 83 million streams. So

52:21

to me, the surprising thing for

52:23

me as a Kiss fan is

52:25

that Love Gun has 10 million

52:27

more streams than Beth. Yeah, it

52:30

would. Because Love Gun is still

52:32

what I think fans that like

52:34

Hard Rock and Metal, when they

52:36

think of Kiss, they might only

52:39

like a few songs from Kiss,

52:41

Love Gun might come up. It's

52:43

not beaten into the ground for

52:45

them. Right to kiss fans it

52:48

is right? No one's like I'm

52:50

one's the last time you like

52:52

oh my god I want to

52:54

hear love gun today like right

52:57

non kiss hard rock fans probably

52:59

like oh yeah that's one of

53:01

my favorite songs about the band

53:03

kiss so I can see that

53:06

getting a lot of play and

53:08

it's on every compilation right the

53:10

next one number seven and again

53:12

just to keep saying that the

53:15

numbers are kind of messed up

53:17

here because I don't know how

53:19

often they update their data but

53:21

number seven is forever Streams I'm

53:24

surprised. I'm surprised that forever only

53:26

has an 80 million See I

53:28

look at that is saying that

53:30

is organic That's on that many

53:33

compilations that's people seeking that song

53:35

correct. I bet you a lot

53:37

of its chicks and it's a

53:39

lot of wedding songs hard rock

53:42

fans and weddings and stuff. Yep,

53:44

like that song but like that

53:46

makes sense that people seek that

53:48

song okay okay now we get

53:51

into the big boys number six

53:53

we have now again i'm gonna

53:55

i'll tell you what it's showing

53:57

for the album so we had

54:00

the number six is the debut

54:02

album strutter at 95 million streams

54:04

on every compilation that's still I

54:06

get to people like like the

54:09

song like the song I don't,

54:11

I think it's one of the

54:13

most overrated songs. It's okay, it's

54:15

not bad. But to me, I

54:18

still don't think... I still don't,

54:20

I'm kind of, we'll start, we'll

54:22

start, we'll talk about a couple

54:24

other bands too, kind of kisses,

54:27

kind of colleagues or comps here,

54:29

but what I look at, what

54:31

Strutter to me is still not,

54:33

it's not Beth, it's not crazy

54:36

nights, it's not for, like Strutter

54:38

is like, clearly it's on a

54:40

deep cut, but like the common

54:42

kiss fan, do they, are they

54:45

listening to Strutter? Like I'm surprised

54:47

it's this high, 95 million. Yeah,

54:49

I again, I think it's a

54:51

compilation thing. Okay. I think you

54:54

know, because you get that on

54:56

alive and alive is probably played

54:58

more than any probably kiss album

55:00

could be. So that gets a

55:03

lot of love. It's on the

55:05

first album. It's everywhere. So it's

55:07

just I know it's another one.

55:09

I get it. Some people like

55:12

the song or stuff. But I've

55:14

never heard anybody like. Oh, that's

55:16

the greatest kiss song. Like. doesn't

55:18

get that much love. I've always

55:21

been surprised how much because I

55:23

love Strutter. I've always been surprised

55:25

how much you don't love. It's

55:27

a Mid Temple good song. Okay.

55:30

Yeah. Okay. But I can I

55:32

can name like 50 other kiss

55:34

songs that I'd rather hear. And

55:36

so for me I look at

55:39

it again and I would say

55:41

I can see people kiss fans

55:43

saying love guns my favorite album

55:45

favorite song. I can see people

55:48

or females saying Beth is my

55:50

favorite kiss song or forever. Yeah,

55:52

I don't see anybody going, oh,

55:54

Strutter. That's my point. That's why

55:57

I can't believe it's got, but

55:59

that's why I can't believe it's

56:01

got 95 million streams. I'm thinking

56:03

like the songs that are on

56:06

this list are songs that are

56:08

people's favorites. Strutter would not be

56:10

there. No, nope. Next one, now

56:12

we get in, now we're breaking

56:15

into the, uh, the, the hundreds

56:17

here. Number five is lick it

56:19

up. With just under a hundred

56:21

and ten million streams hell yes,

56:24

it is the quintessential fucking mid-80s

56:26

kind of hair matter it's You

56:28

know when you hear lick it

56:30

up and family guy did it

56:33

perfectly the fucking asshole in the

56:35

fuck oh yeah, what he call

56:37

it there the the Hummer any

56:39

time he changed the radio station.

56:42

It was on a rock channel

56:44

Yep. Yeah, that fucking chorus. It

56:46

is, again, cliche-ish, you know, when

56:48

you always talk to me that

56:51

you listen to satellite radio and

56:53

you say, oh, here, metal station

56:55

or this station, they only play

56:57

like three songs from each artist,

57:00

lick it up is definitely one

57:02

of the songs that's played from

57:04

them. Like, you know, always, like

57:06

right? That's why I always, it's

57:09

on all the compilations. It's, it's,

57:11

it's definitely that. Yeah. Yep. Yep.

57:13

Next we go, now. I thought

57:15

these, what do I know, but

57:18

I thought this might have a

57:20

little bit more, but coming in

57:22

at just under 200 million streams,

57:24

this is about 196 million streams,

57:26

is heavens on fire. I would

57:29

say almost look it, lick it

57:31

up, a little same. It is

57:33

very, the definition of an era.

57:35

It's probably on everybody's favorite. The

57:38

videos, yeah, 80s. when you think

57:40

of kiss you think of heavens

57:42

on fire or or lick it

57:44

up like those are the back-to-back

57:47

big hits of the 80s in

57:49

that era for me i think

57:51

it might i mean i know

57:53

Jericho agrees i think this is

57:56

one of the greatest 80s songs

57:58

period in one of the greatest

58:00

80s choruses period not just kiss

58:02

i i i've always loved it

58:05

with it with it but i

58:07

do see what you're saying yeah

58:09

Absolutely, and that is definitely a

58:11

song where you don't have to

58:14

be a fan of kiss and

58:16

you hear. that you're like oh

58:18

that's that's great amazing yeah whereas

58:20

lick it up can get way

58:23

too repetitive of the chorus that

58:25

you might get it but heavens

58:27

on fire every hard rock fan

58:29

of that era loves it love

58:32

that yep all right so now

58:34

we're breaking into the 200s number

58:36

three at 276 million streams I

58:38

thought it would be more Detroit

58:41

rock city whoa that's not the

58:43

you know I guess I'll say

58:45

that's something wrong. All right, every

58:47

compilation, it's their best song of

58:50

all time. Yep. I have no

58:52

fatigue of it. I can see

58:54

it. Yeah. Yeah. And by the

58:56

way, you know, I was thinking

58:59

it again, I don't know this,

59:01

I'm sure somebody couldn't, we don't,

59:03

we're not Spotify insiders. You're right,

59:05

maybe clicking on Spotify. For the

59:08

top 10, it has the album

59:10

cover, and then the song. for

59:12

number three it has detroit rock

59:14

city and it has the cover

59:17

of double platinum clearly yeah hundreds

59:19

clearly two hundred and sixty six

59:21

million people aren't listening to detroit

59:23

rock city off a double platinum

59:26

well it's the shorter version right

59:28

but i think what you said

59:30

like our part cut out but

59:32

i think what you said might

59:35

be more to the point i

59:37

think any song it the so

59:39

maybe the song writing credit itself

59:41

is so two hundred and sixty

59:44

million people have clicked on Some

59:46

version of the song Detroit Rock

59:48

City, which was written by X,

59:50

Y, and Z. Well, what are

59:53

you going to have? Detroit Rock

59:55

City is 10, is number four,

59:57

and then at 17, is Detroit

59:59

Rock City from fucking off the

1:00:02

soundboard Poughkeepsie? No, you're right. No,

1:00:04

you're right. Right. Right. Are they

1:00:06

going to have? Oh, it'll be

1:00:08

interesting. But keep going because I

1:00:11

have a theory on this. Go

1:00:13

on. Go ahead. All right. So

1:00:15

come in at number two. And

1:00:17

I thought this would be way

1:00:20

more. Just under 540 million streams

1:00:22

is rock and roll all night.

1:00:24

What version do they have up

1:00:26

there? This has the picture of

1:00:29

the dress to kill album cover.

1:00:31

Okay, there's no way anybody's playing

1:00:33

the dress to kill version. It's

1:00:35

the it's the live version. Hence,

1:00:38

they just put the album cover

1:00:40

version. And so any form of

1:00:42

rock and roll all night has

1:00:44

been played 539 million times. Yep.

1:00:47

Yes. And the same thing when

1:00:49

it's the fucking off the soundboard,

1:00:51

and I hope somebody can correct

1:00:53

us if we're wrong, off a

1:00:56

fucking Tokyo off the soundboard rock

1:00:58

and roll all night, alive, alive,

1:01:00

alive, three's version, unplugged version, dressed

1:01:02

to kill's version. Are you telling

1:01:05

me they're gonna be different categories

1:01:07

for downloads? And one thing we

1:01:09

do know is that according for

1:01:11

Spotify, a stream is a song

1:01:14

that's played for at least 30

1:01:16

seconds consecutively. That counts as a

1:01:18

stream. You don't have to listen

1:01:20

to the entire song start to

1:01:23

finish. 30 seconds according to Spotify

1:01:25

counts as a stream. And I'm

1:01:27

assuming if it's the same artist

1:01:29

that it stays in their category.

1:01:32

Meaning, if you get, you play

1:01:34

Kiss's version of New York groove,

1:01:36

or you play, like if you

1:01:38

go to Russ Ballard and you

1:01:41

press that, it's not going to

1:01:43

give the credit to Kiss's version.

1:01:45

of New York groove, it's going

1:01:47

to go run balance. It'll be

1:01:50

a separate category of counting. Right.

1:01:52

But so Kiss's version of New

1:01:54

York groove, if it's off and

1:01:56

off the soundboard version, versus the

1:01:59

78 solo version, I think all

1:02:01

goes combined. Right, I think so,

1:02:03

yeah. So coming in at number

1:02:05

one here, no surprise, because this

1:02:08

was just breaking news not too

1:02:10

long ago. I was made for

1:02:12

loving you, coming in at... just

1:02:14

under 1.2 billion. with a B

1:02:17

streams yeah that's fucking insane yeah

1:02:19

that is in stain there's not

1:02:21

many artists that have a billion

1:02:23

streams of any song not a

1:02:26

band like kiss all anything billion

1:02:28

streaming is pop or hip-hop or

1:02:30

like Taylor Swift kind of bullshit

1:02:32

you don't have a lot of

1:02:35

rock artists like that mm-hmm now

1:02:37

one thing I want to talk

1:02:39

about him a minute Zeus is

1:02:41

each band on each band's headpage

1:02:44

home page and Spotify It tells

1:02:46

you how many monthly listeners the

1:02:48

band has. So right now, right

1:02:50

now, KISS has 15 million monthly

1:02:53

listeners. Just about 15,500,000 monthly listeners,

1:02:55

okay? So if you look at

1:02:57

some of their contemporaries, and you

1:02:59

kind of want to see where

1:03:02

KISS falls, because I want to,

1:03:04

I'm kind of trying to compare

1:03:06

a little bit of data there.

1:03:08

So Zeppelin has about 5 million

1:03:11

more. Monthly listeners. Okay? Mm-hmm. Stairway

1:03:13

to Heaven has less streams than

1:03:15

I was made for loving you.

1:03:17

I was made for loving you

1:03:20

has been played more on Spotify

1:03:22

than stairway to heaven. Think of

1:03:24

that. I believe it because in

1:03:26

Europe it is the fucking every

1:03:29

disco tech is going to play

1:03:31

I was made for loving you.

1:03:33

Yep. Think of that. That's insane.

1:03:35

Now a band like Metallica. Metallica

1:03:38

has 27, just under 28 million

1:03:40

monthly listeners. Okay? And they have

1:03:42

two songs that have broken the

1:03:44

billion barrier. Enter Sandman and nothing

1:03:47

else matters. Okay? So that's kind

1:03:49

of interesting. What do you think?

1:03:51

What would be another contemporary for

1:03:53

like KISS? Like another band like

1:03:56

that. Well, I'll give you an

1:03:58

example of a band that's lasted

1:04:00

many, many, many years, but never

1:04:02

had a here metal phase. Okay.

1:04:05

Judas priest. Okay. For the... They

1:04:07

had a hair metal face. They

1:04:09

had a little bit of a

1:04:11

hair metal face. Yeah, it's kind

1:04:14

of a joke. Yeah. Four point

1:04:16

one million listeners. Right. Think of

1:04:18

it. That's crazy. That's crazy. Biggest

1:04:20

song breaking the law. Three hundred

1:04:23

and seven million downloads. Yeah. Wow.

1:04:25

That's a lot. It's crazy. It's

1:04:27

a fucking billion. The only thing

1:04:29

I can think of is. People

1:04:32

who are fans of Judas Priest

1:04:34

don't know how to use Spotify.

1:04:36

They're still listening to cassettes Like

1:04:38

I don't know. Let's go to

1:04:41

another band that I'm going to

1:04:43

him because yeah, how about Iron

1:04:45

Maiden, right? Okay. So these are

1:04:47

bands that don't have like the

1:04:50

trooper is their number one. That's

1:04:52

500 millions right. You have eight

1:04:54

million monthly listeners. These guys never

1:04:56

had a commercial hit. like I

1:04:59

was made for loving you. That's

1:05:01

the fucking difference. Right. It's crazy.

1:05:03

Now look at a band, now

1:05:05

look at a band like Rush.

1:05:08

I know you don't like them,

1:05:10

but they've been around for 50

1:05:12

years that they have a huge

1:05:14

phone. They don't even have four

1:05:17

million monthly listeners. But Tom Sawyer

1:05:19

has 350 million listeners, because even

1:05:21

just rock fans like Tom Sawyer,

1:05:23

right? Deafleppard, eight million listeners, five

1:05:26

hundred and twenty for... pour some

1:05:28

520 million for pour some sugar

1:05:30

on me. Okay, so let me

1:05:32

ask you this. Do you think

1:05:35

that's shocking that kiss has almost

1:05:37

double the monthly listeners of deaf

1:05:39

leopard? Because I do. I think

1:05:41

that's shocking that kiss has almost

1:05:44

double deaf leopard. Yeah, yeah, I

1:05:46

mean, I'm surprised. I feel like

1:05:48

deaf leopard has such a broader

1:05:50

appeal, especially amongst women, that they

1:05:53

don't, that that kiss doubles that,

1:05:55

to me, that's kind of funny.

1:05:57

Go for it. Nirvana. More or

1:05:59

less. than kiss? Yeah. Less. I'm

1:06:02

gonna say weightless. How much,

1:06:04

how much is kiss again?

1:06:06

About 15 and change, 15

1:06:08

and change, I think? They

1:06:10

have double. 32 million.

1:06:13

30? For Nirvana? 32

1:06:15

million listeners. That is,

1:06:17

smells like teen spirit.

1:06:20

Smells like teen spirit

1:06:22

has two billion and a

1:06:25

half almost. Come as you

1:06:27

are as one billion five.

1:06:29

Come as you are like the

1:06:32

band has like three albums, and

1:06:34

they have 30 million monthly listeners

1:06:36

Let's go to Pearl Jam. See how

1:06:38

they're doing Pearl Jam's got to be

1:06:40

around 14. Yeah, see that to me

1:06:42

that doesn't that doesn't jive That

1:06:44

doesn't 2686 even flow. So

1:06:47

you're telling me that not only

1:06:49

does Nirvana double Pearl Jam, but

1:06:51

that kiss has more than Pearl

1:06:53

Jam Yeah, that's crazy. That doesn't

1:06:55

make any sense to me Let's

1:06:58

go to one more Bon Jovi.

1:07:00

Go ahead. Bon Jovi, how many

1:07:02

million do they have? More or

1:07:04

less than kiss? More,

1:07:06

definitely more. 30 million. 30.9.

1:07:09

Can you imagine? Rare over

1:07:11

a billion. You give love, a

1:07:13

bad name, over a billion. It's

1:07:15

my life, over a billion. Can

1:07:17

you imagine? Nirvana and Bon

1:07:20

Jovi have the same. Two bands

1:07:22

that fought to the death in

1:07:24

the late 80s, early 90s have

1:07:27

the same. It's incredible.

1:07:29

But you know, it also depends

1:07:31

on the audience too,

1:07:33

for instance. I'll do

1:07:35

something that's funny. I'll

1:07:37

go to Elvis. Elvis has

1:07:40

21 million. Right. How many

1:07:42

of his listeners are over

1:07:44

in real life now are

1:07:46

over 60? Right. Half? Right. And

1:07:48

he still has 21 million.

1:07:50

Yeah? His only billion sellers can't

1:07:53

help falling in love. Dude,

1:07:55

how the fuck is burning love? His

1:07:57

number is number two. It's awesome.

1:07:59

Oh, because it's great. Why? Because

1:08:01

he's a hunka hunka burn in love?

1:08:04

He's a hunka burn in love. So

1:08:06

yeah, it's it's it's it's crazy to

1:08:08

like just one last one just for

1:08:11

shits and giggles Frank Sinatra has more

1:08:13

monthly listeners than kiss. How many? 16

1:08:15

just under 17 million 16.6 Which is

1:08:18

shocking to me. The reason I the

1:08:20

reason I find this he's been dead

1:08:22

for like what he is 30 years

1:08:25

not not not even that the reason

1:08:27

I find this interesting and I know

1:08:29

that we're getting into the stats and

1:08:32

the weeds and we preface us by

1:08:34

saying this is going to be kind

1:08:36

of inside baseball shit that's fascinating to

1:08:39

me because when I think of Frank

1:08:41

Sinatra I don't think of people who

1:08:43

are digital tech people listening to Elvis

1:08:46

listening to Frank Sinatra the fact that

1:08:48

Sinatra has more than deaf leopard more

1:08:50

than kiss that's crazy to me if

1:08:53

you go greatest Most popular musicians entertainers

1:08:55

of fucking all time Frank Sinatra is

1:08:57

probably top five No, but that's no

1:09:00

no don't misunderstand me. I'm saying I'm

1:09:02

saying I love Frank Sinatra. I always

1:09:04

have but I'm saying the the core

1:09:07

listener I don't But he's transcended. Okay,

1:09:09

but he's also transcended age where he's

1:09:11

such a classic even younger people. Right.

1:09:14

No, I know. Frank Sinatra is incandencing

1:09:16

with Elvis. They're just a transcend generation

1:09:18

so everyone learns about it a little.

1:09:21

It's like, oh, I'll listen to a

1:09:23

Frank Sinatra song. Oh, I like that.

1:09:25

You know, whatever. So I guess I

1:09:28

guess just to wrap it up one

1:09:30

thing I'll say here and then you

1:09:32

can have a final word here for

1:09:35

for for me. I think this is

1:09:37

kind of. A pleasant surprise to see

1:09:39

Kiss's numbers. The fact that they have

1:09:42

15 million monthly lists, like that's impressive,

1:09:44

especially when you look at some of

1:09:46

their contemporaries, some of their similarities, that

1:09:49

they blow them out of the water,

1:09:51

shocking leaving, I think. And that's why

1:09:53

I wanted to raise your glasses. Because

1:09:56

it's the fucking music. No one's listening

1:09:58

on Spotify, they hear to watch Gene

1:10:00

blow up. fucking fire right or drip

1:10:03

blood that's right right it's the music

1:10:05

you got to like the fucking music

1:10:07

always you're not fucking downloading this shit

1:10:10

or have monthly listeners so this is

1:10:12

the fucking thing that they don't and

1:10:14

and they always you know gene and

1:10:17

shit piss me off because they never

1:10:19

fucking stick up for themselves they leave

1:10:21

it for the fans to stick up

1:10:24

for this for the music that you

1:10:26

think should be in the top 10?

1:10:28

I know I'm putting you on the

1:10:31

spot. No, no, I was thinking the

1:10:33

exact same thing. Like what would you

1:10:35

expect to be in the top 10?

1:10:38

What would I expect to be in

1:10:40

the top 10? What would I expect

1:10:42

to be in the top 10? I

1:10:45

figured that it is such a tired

1:10:47

song. I thought shout it out loud

1:10:49

would be in there. Me too. Another

1:10:52

one that first of all, we already

1:10:54

said it. I'm surprised Strutter is as

1:10:56

high as high as it is as

1:10:59

it is. Because that just does not

1:11:01

seem to me like the like a

1:11:03

common kiss fan or a common fan

1:11:06

song to go to. What's a bigger

1:11:08

song in your opinion? Strutter or Dr.

1:11:10

Love? Well, I think honestly, I think

1:11:13

those that's a great comparison because I

1:11:15

think there are two of those songs

1:11:17

that are on that one A list

1:11:20

or on that one B list of

1:11:22

songs. I would probably say calling Dr

1:11:24

Love. So would I. I actually think

1:11:27

it's it's it's a. It's the top

1:11:29

10 because it's so synonymous with Gene.

1:11:31

And I think the fact that... Call

1:11:34

me! The fact that God of Thunder

1:11:36

is not in the top 10 shows

1:11:38

me that these aren't really die-hard kiss

1:11:41

fans listen to these songs. That's another

1:11:43

one. That's... Yeah. But with all the

1:11:45

compilations, I'm shocked that's not there. Right.

1:11:48

Right. Right. Right and maybe one other

1:11:50

one I would maybe throw like just

1:11:52

because of the video and the popularity

1:11:55

of that era maybe I know we

1:11:57

talked about whether or not you like

1:11:59

it or not but I'm surprised maybe

1:12:02

tears of fall and didn't crawl into

1:12:04

the top to anything. Thank God it's

1:12:06

not it's just so. so overdone and

1:12:09

stuff of that oh my god it's

1:12:11

not I know you know what I

1:12:13

think of Strutter tears are falling mid-tempo

1:12:16

good song just like over done right

1:12:18

come on I yeah so I would

1:12:20

probably say doctor love and what we

1:12:23

just talked about maybe god of thunder

1:12:25

would be the songs that I'm surprised

1:12:27

black diamond too Yeah,

1:12:30

so that falls into the story category

1:12:32

for me. It's on 50 million every

1:12:34

album has that true That's true. Every

1:12:37

live album. Yeah, so that's the other

1:12:39

one that I'm shocked. It's kind of

1:12:41

not in their top end You know

1:12:44

what I wish Spotify had and I'm

1:12:46

sure that there's some way to find

1:12:48

this out maybe through a third-party app?

1:12:51

Because there's a bunch of third-party apps

1:12:53

out there to crunch numbers Maybe even

1:12:55

the future will look at this I

1:12:58

wanted to look at the 10 least

1:13:00

streamed kiss songs. That's what I wanted

1:13:02

to see. If somebody else they

1:13:04

can find that, please share that. Because

1:13:07

that would make me laugh my ass

1:13:09

off to see some song that

1:13:11

has like 14 streams. See, the problem

1:13:13

with that is because people sometimes want

1:13:16

to hear an album so that gets

1:13:18

played and they're like, oh God, I

1:13:20

don't want to hear that again. But,

1:13:23

you know, for me, a lot of

1:13:25

the songs are popular that I fucking

1:13:27

hate. but one that i don't like

1:13:30

and i know fans don't like and

1:13:32

that's like a song like boomerang

1:13:34

i guarantee yes top 10 were least

1:13:36

played songs it's gotta be well plus

1:13:39

it's the last song on an

1:13:41

album and sometimes people don't take that

1:13:43

song not good not good not good

1:13:45

not good not good not good not

1:13:48

good not good Well, wait a minute,

1:13:50

hold on, hold on, before we've... Now

1:13:52

we're going to keep going on a

1:13:55

rabbit, because now let's take a look

1:13:57

at how many monthly listeners Ace has.

1:14:00

I bet she has more

1:14:02

than anybody else in Kiss

1:14:04

though. Okay, let's see, Ace

1:14:07

has 396,000 monthly listeners. All

1:14:09

right, that's fine? Not even

1:14:11

half a million. Okay, that's

1:14:13

okay. How about Paul Stanley?

1:14:16

How many does he have?

1:14:18

Yeah, but Paul doesn't have

1:14:20

a solo career the way

1:14:22

Ace does. He has fucking

1:14:24

live to win and tonight

1:14:27

you belong to me? A

1:14:29

hundred and two thousand. Yeah.

1:14:31

But Ace has had a

1:14:33

solo career for 40 years.

1:14:36

What are you talking? I'm

1:14:38

doing the best I can.

1:14:40

All right. How about our

1:14:42

good friend and my favorite

1:14:45

member, Peter Chris? Uh-oh. 17,000

1:14:47

listeners. Nobody's listened to out

1:14:49

of control. His number one

1:14:51

song? Because you mad it

1:14:53

to me. See? There you

1:14:56

go. Okay. I can't stop

1:14:58

the rain is number two.

1:15:00

Okay. What about Gene? All

1:15:02

right, Gene has 32. Really?

1:15:05

Mm-hmm. Wow. He's got his

1:15:07

double Peter? Almost? Wow. His

1:15:09

number one song? Radioactive? Yep.

1:15:11

And then his number one

1:15:13

from his asshole song is

1:15:16

Firestarter. Four hundred twenty thousand

1:15:18

downloads. Oh God, that's horrendous.

1:15:20

That version. That's bad. How

1:15:22

about our good friend Bruce

1:15:25

Kulek? I love Bruce's soul

1:15:27

material. Bruce Kulek. I don't

1:15:29

know if I can find,

1:15:31

wait a minute, hold on

1:15:34

a second. This is, Bruce

1:15:36

has 7,000-647, he's got a

1:15:38

wide variety of shit. He's

1:15:40

on like a million different

1:15:42

albums, like compilation albums and

1:15:45

stuff. Yep. Yep. So he's

1:15:47

got that. Let's go to

1:15:49

our, let's go to Vinny.

1:15:51

Vincent. Oh, jeez. The Vinny

1:15:54

Vincent invasion? I don't know

1:15:56

if it comes up as,

1:15:58

oh Vinny Vinson invasion, not

1:16:00

Vinny Vinson. Vinny Vinson invasion,

1:16:02

34,000. That's it? That's better

1:16:05

than, fucking, that's better than,

1:16:07

fucking, that's better than, the

1:16:09

other members. Oh, you know

1:16:11

why though, too? He's kind

1:16:14

of new to streaming. Wasn't

1:16:16

he fucking around with some

1:16:18

of his licensing? He wasn't

1:16:20

even on Spotify for a

1:16:23

while? I don't know, but

1:16:25

that time of years, the

1:16:27

number one. That's a lot.

1:16:29

Holy shit. Wow. That's probably

1:16:31

me and you playing it

1:16:34

each a million times. Yeah.

1:16:36

What about heavy patent? Oh,

1:16:38

that's a good song. God,

1:16:40

Almighty. See, you can go

1:16:43

down this rabbit hole playing

1:16:45

the Spotify game. I love

1:16:47

it. Yeah, no, I'm with

1:16:49

you. How about our good

1:16:51

friend, Eric Carr? Oh God.

1:16:54

Four thousand, five hundred and

1:16:56

twenty-two. Oh, what's the number

1:16:58

one track? It should be.

1:17:00

I was going to say,

1:17:03

what's it? It's eyes of

1:17:05

love. Okay, that's a good

1:17:07

song. All right, that makes

1:17:09

sense. Yeah, okay. Eric Singer,

1:17:11

as an artist, has 10,000.

1:17:14

Really? Yeah. Wow, okay. He's

1:17:16

been on a couple like

1:17:18

compilation albums and stuff. Okay,

1:17:20

what about Mini Kiss? Are

1:17:23

they on Spotify? Nice,

1:17:27

good stuff. And yeah, we could

1:17:29

do this all day. Who had

1:17:31

what? What's Gene's most popular song?

1:17:33

Downloading stuff. Maybe we'll come back

1:17:35

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1:17:38

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Raise your glasses. What do you

1:19:25

think would be a song from

1:19:27

their deep catalog that should have

1:19:30

or would have been a great

1:19:32

concert staple if given the opportunity?

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Make-up and non-make-up era, not just

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a great deep-cut, but something that

1:19:38

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if the band had stuck with

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it. My guess is the obvious

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turn on the night, and for

1:19:47

makeup I would... something like All

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American Man. Nice fun easy question

1:19:52

there since we're talking about songs,

1:19:54

Zeus. All right, so the problem

1:19:56

is the obvious one would be

1:19:59

Mr. Speed, but it's so cliched

1:20:01

that I feel like you guys

1:20:03

like roll your eyes. What would

1:20:05

be another one? I would go

1:20:08

with either got love for sale

1:20:10

for Tom because Gene could perform

1:20:12

that? Yep. I would go to

1:20:14

go to him. I would probably

1:20:16

go to something off of like

1:20:19

unmasked if they did like is

1:20:21

that you or something like that?

1:20:23

Just a deep cut to throw

1:20:25

it out and I'm not even

1:20:28

a big fan of the song.

1:20:30

Obviously for me it would be

1:20:32

Mr. Speed but I think to

1:20:34

get fans to go nuts like

1:20:37

oh my god they fucking play

1:20:39

this. Got love for sale would

1:20:41

probably be the most likely one.

1:20:43

If not... Mr. Speed off of

1:20:46

non-make-up era? I would probably say,

1:20:48

see, it's not even a deep

1:20:50

cut, but if they throw out,

1:20:52

turn on the night, which they

1:20:54

probably haven't played in fucking God

1:20:57

knows, even if they did play

1:20:59

it. If ever, right. Yeah, turn

1:21:01

on the night would be the

1:21:03

one for me, or if they

1:21:06

did like silver spoon out of

1:21:08

nowhere. I would love to hear.

1:21:10

You know, things like a million

1:21:12

to one, obviously, off of, off

1:21:15

of, um, lick it up, something

1:21:17

like that, or not for the

1:21:19

innocent by gene. Those would be

1:21:21

it. Yeah, for me, I was

1:21:24

just gonna go to look it

1:21:26

up. They did play it before.

1:21:28

They had Eric singing it, but

1:21:30

I want them playing it with

1:21:32

Gene singing. I would go with

1:21:35

Young and Wasted for something non-makeup.

1:21:37

They played it before, and it's

1:21:39

fucking great. Deep cut thing for

1:21:41

me for makeup would probably be

1:21:44

something off a love gun like

1:21:46

like Zeus Pig got love for

1:21:48

set out a dream. But I

1:21:50

would probably maybe go with something.

1:21:53

I mean it's not a deep

1:21:55

cut but I just love the

1:21:57

song and we did get to

1:21:59

hear them play it on the

1:22:02

cruise and that would be love

1:22:04

them leave them just because of

1:22:06

the memories we have of that

1:22:08

video of them performing I think

1:22:11

that would be a great one

1:22:13

that the crowd could kind of

1:22:15

get jammed up on that and

1:22:17

really get excited and stuff. You

1:22:19

know, Scott, great question. We always

1:22:22

appreciate your support. It's nice to

1:22:24

dream about what KISS could have

1:22:26

and should have done, but great

1:22:28

question, Scott, really appreciate it, buddy.

1:22:31

Tom, where can people find us?

1:22:33

Always start with our website, like

1:22:35

we mentioned before, Shouted Out Loudcast.com,

1:22:37

that you can find all of

1:22:40

our episodes there, Shouted Out Loudcast,

1:22:42

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1:22:44

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1:22:51

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1:22:53

threads, links to our patron, which

1:22:55

we've talked about, of course, and

1:22:57

there's tons of other fun stuff

1:23:00

you can check out on our

1:23:02

website, including on the landing page,

1:23:04

a link to buy our book,

1:23:06

Raise Your Glasses, which you should

1:23:09

have by now, but maybe you've

1:23:11

got a friend out there that

1:23:13

you want to introduce to kiss,

1:23:15

pick it up for them. You

1:23:18

can get that right there or

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1:23:53

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1:23:56

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1:23:58

but check it out because you'll

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go to our Profile not the

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1:24:05

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1:24:07

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1:24:38

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1:25:14

to us there. We always like

1:25:16

to end on famous last words.

1:25:18

Tom do you have any? Yes,

1:25:21

I do. I hear the echo

1:25:23

of a promise I made. When

1:25:25

you're strong, you can stand on

1:25:27

your own. But those words grow

1:25:30

distant as I look at your

1:25:32

face. No. I don't want to

1:25:34

go it alone. Whoo! Here's a

1:25:36

little song for everybody out there!

1:25:38

Please give us your nerdy little

1:25:41

stat data if you can. We

1:25:43

want to hear more from you

1:25:45

about this topic. But you guys

1:25:47

are the best. Thank you so

1:25:50

much. Zeus is always my friend.

1:25:52

Thank you. Peace out Girl Scout.

1:25:54

Hit the music! What

1:25:56

I'd like now I'd

1:25:59

like all you for

1:26:01

all you fat, worldwide

1:26:03

kiss-hards to keep the noise

1:26:05

keep the noise

1:26:08

down while I

1:26:10

show your ladies

1:26:12

what a real

1:26:14

sexy man looks

1:26:16

like. like. Listen, all you people

1:26:19

out you people

1:26:21

out there sitting

1:26:23

on rented furniture, settle

1:26:26

down. down!

1:26:28

Cut the

1:26:30

music! music! Anybody seeing

1:26:33

Ritchie? You know why

1:26:35

Ritchie get Bobby Lupo?