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It's podcast time for

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show and tell. It's

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Malamonte. Welcome. Hello, everyone.

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How are you? Yeah,

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good. Good, good, good. I'm

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answering for everyone. It

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is Malamonte. Thanks for listening. Hope

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you're great. Hey, I

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want to play. I want to start off

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with something. Oh, no. No, we've nearly forgotten

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your facts. You've got to start with a

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fact every time. And I realized last episode,

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we didn't. I know. Well, this is a

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real quickie. Hmm. Beetlejuice,

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the movie. Yeah. One of my

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all time favourites. Great movie. Do

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you know, despite playing the title role

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of Beetlejuice himself, Michael Keaton only had

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17 minutes of screen time in that

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whole movie. Really? Amazing.

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That is so amazing. I

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love Michael Keaton. I reckon I've

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only seen Beetlejuice maybe once. I don't

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even know if I've seen it all

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the way through. That is a sit

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down and watch with the kids. Speaking

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of that, I have been begging

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my daughter for years to sit down and

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watch Empire Records with me. Oh, my God.

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My favorite movie or when I was growing

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up, my favorite movie. I'm orange.

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I got orange. I

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love it so much. Well,

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I kept assuring her. It

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hasn't dated. It'll be so good. It has

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dated a little bit. I

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mean, it's still great, but there's bits

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where I'm like, oh, I remember that

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dialogue being so much better and watching

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it now. I'm like, oh, is it

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a bit cringey? Oh my God. It's,

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that's why you're almost better off not

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going back and rewatching them. Rex Morris

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Day. And I still remember Liv Taiwis'

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undies. Manning. Oh, Rex Manning. I still

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remember. Liv Tyler's undies like the day

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she had when he got her down.

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I remember thinking when she's better

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on these but that showed her character

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she was just a bit of a dork

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true true so that's so cute well

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okay interesting Beetlejuice fact there you go.

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Absolutely no way to segue to the next

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thing which is about friendship I wanted to

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this came up in my Instagram feed the

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other day and I was like oh

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that's really interesting because it's so true

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so. Amy Polar was

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sitting down and doing a podcast with

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Catherine Hahn. So Catherine is a comedian.

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She was in Parks and Recreation, a

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bucket load of other stuff as well.

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But they were talking about friendships and

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the importance of female friendships. So I

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wanted to play you this. How do

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female friendships important to you? What do

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they do for you? I think that

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the real female friends that I have,

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the deep ones are fewer than I

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thought I would have. Like the ones

2:42

that are really You know

2:44

have your back through anything

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and there's a difference like

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these it's so important to

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have women in your

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life that aren't family to

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grow old with

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in a way that it's

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like you said feels very honest

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but and also hilarious but also

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doesn't feel like we have to

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keep up any anything together like keep

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up any sort of like Front it

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just feels like And also very

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affirming like to walk into these next

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chapters together just feels like it's not

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as terrifying. Yes. I

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love that. I also thought of you during

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it because I know your sister's your

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main person. So when she said you need

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people outside of your family, are you like,

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I don't know about that. I

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feel like my sister is absolutely my

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very best friend out of everybody in

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the world. She's so beautiful. Yeah.

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I think the thing is, I've always got like

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seven things I'm thinking and I don't know which

3:43

point to get to first. I

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feel like I think beautiful friendships

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will always, like you have each

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other's back, you want the best

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for each other, but I trust

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her in a way that I could

3:56

never trust a friend. I have

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a feeling like she always,

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always wants the best for me. She

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will give me hard advice, even if

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it's going to hurt my feelings and

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I know that there's no other factor

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there. It's all love, right? Yeah. I

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do remember saying that to Stace once

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and she said to me because I

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was saying how I feel guilty that

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I haven't given my daughter that experience

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because it's been so important to me.

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But she said to me, but that's like

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Katie and Monty and I are like that.

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That's what it's like. It's just you

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don't know the difference. Yes.

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You know what I mean? Like the sister, you're

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seeing it through that lens, but when you don't

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have a sister. Yes. Or you're

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not super close to your sister or

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whatever. You find that in

4:44

friendship. Yeah, right. And I

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thought that's probably so true. Like I've never

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let myself completely be open to that. Yes,

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just because you've always had your sister

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there. So Stacey and I, well, I did

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have sisters though. Stacey didn't have sisters. She

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only had brothers. But my

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older sister and I were never

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close and our relationship has formed

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because of the bond over our

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boys. But Stacey was

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always and is always like I

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know there's nothing in the world

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I couldn't do that I could

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do where she would turn her

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back on me. Like I feel

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like even if I fucked her

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husband she'd go well that was

5:22

a shit thing to do and

5:24

she'd still be there. Like I

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feel how you think

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about your sister about her hands

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down and the same the hard

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advice the tough advice like you're

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being a dickhead pull your head

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in or like there's never an

5:39

ounce of jealousy between us no

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pure celebration for each other yes

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also like you and Stacy are

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very different very different which makes

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it even the connection even better.

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Because there is no, not that they would be

5:53

like if she wanted to get into radio or

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whatever. I don't think there'd be competition, but it

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would be maybe a little bit more complicated. Yeah,

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you're probably right. Yeah, we've always

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had different, yeah, I guess interests

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and stuff. I mean, we created

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a business together, but we had

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extremely separate roles. But we never

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shit each other either, which is

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quite amazing. It's like, I

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can't remember the last time where I'm like, you're

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fucking annoying. Like. It's

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quiet. It is a really

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rare relationship, I think. And

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I think maybe one of those

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things is because it was formed

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in childhood. Yeah. You

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know all that shit about each other. You know

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how to operate with each other. She knows when

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to pull back and give you space. You

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know when to do the same for her.

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It's like... Yeah, totally. It's like sisters, really.

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Totally. And that's what we've always said. It's

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like we are like... You know, I've always

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been her sister that she's never had and

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she's always been like a sister to me.

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I think a lot of people do have

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beautiful friendships like that. I also feel like

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there's a lot of females that don't. And

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I always feel sad for people who don't

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have that close friend or they'll be like,

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oh, this is, you know, especially when we

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were a bit younger, this is my best

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friend. And then you realize they met six

7:11

months ago, you know, it's like just to

7:13

have those really deep long friendships. And I

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don't have friendships from like. Primary

7:18

school like I'm still friendly with some like

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if I saw them, it would be lovely,

7:22

but I don't keep in touch. I know

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my oldest friend. We were friends from our

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parents when we were like six years old.

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I'm still really good friends with her. Um,

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but yeah, Stacy and I were 16

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when we became buddies and it was

7:36

like that crucial age where we were

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navigating, you know, boys and having sex

7:40

for the first time and yeah. you

7:43

know, all of that kind of stuff. And

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Stace was always my moral compass. Like

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I feel like compass. I feel like

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without her, I don't know where I

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would have gone, to be honest.

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And I feel the same way about my

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sister, but the beauty with Stace as well.

7:59

Stacey appreciation. But

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she does have a very strong moral

8:05

compass, but it doesn't feel like it's

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in a judgy way. And she would

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give you her opinion and tell you

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what she think. thinks is best, but

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she'll support you if you go the

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other way as well. Totally. But usually

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you'll find her opinion is right too.

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That's what I've always noticed. What you

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think and say is usually right. She's

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very wise. Yes. So it

8:25

was always like she was the mature

8:28

one and I would try and corrupt

8:30

her a bit. But I was like,

8:32

never has she had a cigarette or

8:35

anything like that. She's like, no, I'll

8:37

never do that. And even, you know,

8:39

when kids are smoking and stuff, you

8:41

experiment, no chance. Just like, no. So

8:44

unapologetically, her. So I think that I

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got confidence from her as well, which

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I think is important in female friendships

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as well. But I also agree with

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as you get older, you have less

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friendships that are that close as well.

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So many less because well, like there's

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less time because if you get into

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a relationship or have kids or whatever

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your time is limited so limited there's

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I think there's something in. Like

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I prefer it being less now

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like I can count on one hand

9:14

the friends I have that I would

9:16

call in a time of need and

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that I could say. the worst things

9:21

about myself to and I can be

9:23

completely vulnerable with. I would say you

9:26

are one of them. We have

9:28

had hard conversations before and we are

9:30

similar in many ways, but we're very

9:32

different in other ways. But there's, I

9:35

think the freedom in good friendships comes

9:37

when you feel like you can say

9:39

something to another person and they're not

9:42

going to judge you for it or

9:44

they're going to understand that you

9:46

can be vulnerable. So I can say

9:48

to you, I feel I don't know,

9:51

like I feel intimidated by this or

9:53

I feel whatever. Yes. And

9:56

I feel like, well, there'll be understanding there and you're

9:58

not to use it against

10:00

me. No, or not even that, almost

10:02

not having to explain yourself so much.

10:04

Like I have beautiful friendships, but if

10:07

I was to call up and be

10:09

like, I'm so fucked at the moment,

10:11

blah, blah, blah, it would be a

10:13

concern of a different level because they

10:16

don't know the intricacies. Yeah. And. Yeah

10:18

the little bits like if i called

10:20

stacey she would know i'm okay i'm

10:22

just having a rough rough day and

10:24

she won't be. Overly like

10:27

dramatic about it or i won't have

10:29

to explain every detail so then i

10:31

know that doesn't make a huge amount

10:33

of sense but i'm just thinking because

10:35

i share so much with her there's

10:37

an ease. She can read you. She

10:39

can read me. Where a lot of

10:41

my other friends, I would have to

10:43

explain it all and go, don't worry,

10:45

I'm okay, but I'm really

10:47

having a really fucking bad time. And then

10:49

I would feel like they would maybe go

10:51

to another friend and go, oh my God,

10:53

is Monti okay? Have you heard what's going

10:55

on? Where Stacey wouldn't need to do that.

10:58

She could just handle it all herself because

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she knows the ins and outs of everything.

11:02

Yeah, she's very... the word

11:05

pragmatic? I think that's what

11:07

it is. She's like, she can just,

11:09

this is the situation and she just

11:11

deals with what is in front of

11:13

her. It's not. I think you need

11:15

one of those in a friendship. Otherwise

11:17

it's drama. Like Sam's very much like

11:20

that. Like, you know, when you and

11:22

I were having our little heated thing

11:24

the other week, I was talking to

11:26

Sam about it and he was basically

11:28

like, pull your head in. You know,

11:30

like could make me see your side

11:32

better than I could see it in

11:34

my state. Yes and say that's what

11:36

you need somebody just pulling you down

11:38

going no it's very reasonable what they're

11:41

saying or just yet somebody bringing you

11:43

back down and stripping through the emotion

11:45

so you can just see the facts

11:47

that's what you need in a good

11:49

friend. And that's also someone who really

11:51

loves you yeah who can do that

11:53

because like we talked about with we

11:55

always talk about celebrities right and how

11:57

they surrounded by yes people. That's what

11:59

they're missing. They don't have that person.

12:02

I know because all of their friends

12:04

are on the books. It's really sad.

12:07

You think, oh, look at the life

12:09

that they live, but they really can't

12:11

know who their good mates are unless

12:14

they were good friends before they became

12:16

famous. You get why they're closed off

12:18

and just unsure because it's like, how

12:21

would you know, especially if you're getting

12:23

paid? And none of

12:25

them are going to go, well, I'm going to risk my pay

12:27

job to tell you you're being a fucking idiot. Like

12:30

none of them do that. It's

12:33

only happened one other time, I think,

12:36

but we had words with each other

12:38

recently, right? Which to me is like

12:40

important. I think it's important to do

12:42

that every now and then. Well, we've

12:44

also worked together for over 10 years.

12:46

Yeah. Yeah. Like there's going

12:48

to be stuff. Of course. But

12:50

you know, I've realized. I

12:54

don't know if this will make sense to anybody else.

12:57

This stage of my life,

12:59

I feel very out of

13:01

control, right? In so

13:03

many ways, like the way I'm thinking, like

13:06

I just feel out of control with everything. So

13:10

I'm finding that I'm

13:12

becoming controlling or overly,

13:15

I hate when people say, oh, you're

13:17

so OCD, because I don't mean it

13:19

in a trivial way, but like even

13:21

when I'm working, Like I

13:23

have another job other than this and

13:25

I'm find myself. Like going

13:28

over and over and trying to

13:30

perfect things that I know rationally

13:32

no one else can see. Yeah,

13:34

but I'm becoming like. I

13:36

don't even know what the word is

13:38

other than to say compulsive about it

13:40

and controlling because I feel like I

13:42

have no control. Yes, in these other

13:44

spaces. That's what I'm holding

13:47

on to. Yes. to the detriment

13:49

of everyone else. Yeah, but also

13:51

to yourself as well. That's like

13:53

exhausting, but I feel that

13:55

too. It is. And again, we do go

13:57

on about it a bit, but that's definitely

13:59

your hormones going fucking nuts too. But I

14:02

also think we get as we get older,

14:04

more set in our like that would have

14:06

been bubbling when you were younger and it

14:08

just gets more and more set as we

14:10

get older. You know like but it's it's

14:12

also really frustrating when you're aware of stuff

14:15

like that like if you weren't aware of

14:17

just be alive. I hate

14:19

that I'm aware of my mental health

14:21

and me and stuff like that like

14:23

recently. I can hear

14:25

myself being such a downer that even

14:28

around Sam now. There's a form of

14:30

acting going on because I'm like I

14:32

can't keep doing this this is not

14:34

fair on him. This is

14:36

not fair on the people around me

14:38

for me to be to be glass

14:40

half empty. I did the same. I

14:43

feel out of control almost like of

14:45

my mood of like where I'm at

14:47

in my life like my kids. Like

14:49

I know a lot of it is

14:51

the stage that we're at like we

14:53

are midlife now. So it's

14:55

like a form of a crisis that

14:57

has to be and every woman I

14:59

speak to who is my age is

15:02

hands down going through the same thing.

15:04

Well, I'll admit something too that's terrible.

15:06

I hate myself for saying it because

15:08

there's nobody I love more in in

15:10

my life than my family, right? Yeah,

15:12

you know, I just always want to

15:15

be on my own. Yes, that's how

15:17

I feel. Yeah, I just because I'm

15:19

aware of I'm a punish all the

15:21

time. Yeah. And also, I'm like, sometimes

15:23

I'll be like, I feel okay today,

15:26

but I feel okay because I've been

15:28

alone. Yes. And then as soon as

15:30

something happens, I'm like, And

15:32

I try like don't overreact

15:35

don't overreact. But

15:37

I just can't help it. There it

15:39

goes. I can hear myself. Oh, fuck

15:41

you screaming again during the scream. You

15:43

can hear yourself stop, stop, stop. Yeah,

15:47

it's awful. It is awful feeling out

15:49

of control. And I also feel like

15:51

when I am in and out of

15:54

control way, my old eating habits rear

15:56

their head as well. Yes, that's what

15:58

really bothers me where I'm like, it's

16:00

such a control thing having eating issues

16:02

and I'm like, fuck, I'm 43 and

16:04

these are cropping up again. So I'm

16:06

getting straight onto it. Like I've got

16:08

a dietitian who works with this stuff,

16:11

but I'm like, it's one of those

16:13

things in my life that when it's

16:15

not good, I try and control, which

16:17

was what I used to do years

16:19

ago. I'm like, no, not this. Don't

16:21

start this now. Like, come

16:24

on. I do feel ever,

16:26

I feel like that's something that whether people

16:28

again are vulnerable enough to say it

16:30

or not. I do feel like, and

16:32

I think it's men and women, because I'm

16:35

sure men go through their own, it

16:37

might not be the hormonal ups and

16:39

downs, but they go through their own form

16:41

of a midlife crisis or whatever. I

16:44

think that is just a coping

16:46

mechanism, the controlling around, and

16:49

we've all got our thing. And maybe

16:51

when it's that you're a worker holic,

16:53

that seems more socially acceptable Yes. And

16:56

controlling eating that people look at and

16:58

go, oh, that's, oh, no,

17:00

that's not good that she's doing that.

17:02

But also when you're running yourself into

17:05

the ground because you're hiding it behind

17:07

work. Yeah. That's fucking just as bad

17:09

and just as toxic as well. Yeah.

17:13

Isn't it fucking wild

17:16

our brains? Like, I

17:18

just feel like everyone's works like this,

17:20

but I don't think they do, Mel.

17:24

Majority of people is near like you

17:26

guys are fucking insane. I

17:28

don't reckon. I reckon it's just some

17:30

people. Maybe some people don't talk about

17:33

it or some people don't zero in

17:35

on it the way that we might

17:37

like the awareness of hang on. This

17:39

is why I'm doing that, which I

17:41

also think is quite an emotionally mature

17:44

thing to do. Like it's quite immature.

17:47

I think it's insightful that you can

17:49

recognize it. I think so. Yeah. Is

17:52

when people can't recognize it. I think

17:54

that's when you got a problem. At

17:56

least we know it. But I think

17:58

being more oblivious sometimes would be beautiful.

18:00

Yeah, I know. Like it's just beautiful

18:02

for you. It's beautiful for you to

18:04

live in your world and you're not

18:06

so nice for everyone else though, is

18:09

it? But anyway, yeah, so

18:11

we are still very much in

18:13

the thick of clearly perimenopause and

18:15

getting our moods and emotions and

18:17

everything under control, but it could

18:19

be like a 10 year thing.

18:23

That's terrifying and also just the

18:25

thought of how much can you

18:28

no matter how much hormones and

18:30

stuff you have I feel like

18:32

This is it's it's a time

18:34

where it can't really be that

18:36

controlled because it is so up

18:38

and down Yeah, so it's like

18:40

okay. Well, maybe today my progesterone's

18:42

really low, but tomorrow might be

18:44

back up So maybe tomorrow when

18:46

I take my progesterone. Oh, no,

18:48

it's gonna be too much And

18:50

then I'm going to feel weird from that. Yes,

18:52

totally. But how beautiful is

18:55

it when you feel great? Like,

18:58

oh, good. Let's just go good. There's

19:00

no like real great feelings at the

19:02

moment. But when I feel good and

19:04

the sun's out, it's like euphoria. I'm

19:07

like, oh, my God, I'm not exhausted. I

19:09

think today, especially, I was up for an

19:11

hour and a half at two o 'clock

19:13

with Odie. So I'm so hooked. And when

19:15

I'm so exhausted, my glass is definitely more

19:17

half empty. When i wake up

19:20

and i'm like oh my god i feel

19:22

good i can get up i can go

19:24

to pilates i'm still journaling like a demon

19:26

loving the journaling i think i've got to

19:28

try it mate you've got to and it's

19:31

a hard habit to get into but once

19:33

you get into it it is so great

19:35

so every i shouldn't say every day not

19:37

every day but it's i do a three

19:40

page. Journal where it's just streams of

19:42

consciousness. I've told you this and I'm nearly at the

19:44

end of this journal and I thought of you might

19:46

what am I gonna do with this journal when it's

19:48

done. I'm just gonna have to put it straight in

19:50

the bin. This

19:53

is really telling of what a shit

19:55

person I am. Oh shut up. No,

19:57

no, no. If I knew Mark was

20:00

doing that which he would never. Oh

20:02

you couldn't now. I think

20:04

I could. Sam

20:06

has one by his bed too. I

20:09

would do it and you

20:11

know that's where mine is

20:14

too but that is a

20:16

level of trust that is

20:18

extraordinary because I know who

20:20

I am I would find

20:23

it unbelievably hard not to

20:25

look in that. Where

20:28

I'm the opposite if he said

20:30

read some I would be like

20:32

absolutely not because when you do

20:34

this it is literally streams of

20:36

consciousness. Who do I live with

20:38

the most? So it's like

20:40

I know I would be in there

20:42

because it's very challenging for him to

20:45

have a chronically ill partner. Of

20:47

course, yeah. Sometimes

20:49

don't realize how much it affects his life

20:51

because I'm in my head of me surviving

20:54

where I'm like well he is to an

20:56

extent too but he's got literally no control

20:58

over the situation not that I do but

21:00

it's not him. So he

21:03

resents the situation so much so I'm

21:05

like the whole thing would be about

21:07

that. Like, it would be so much

21:09

about me how he probably mentioned me

21:11

three times and I'm thinking the whole

21:13

books about me. I completely get like

21:15

you being able to not look at

21:17

that is amazing. Like, I'm

21:20

just like, oh, I'd read it.

21:24

What's wrong? Nothing. Yes, because

21:26

you couldn't tell. You couldn't say to

21:28

him. No, you couldn't. It's

21:30

like that. I told you the other

21:32

day, I've been watching this

21:35

show couples therapy. Yes.

21:37

Fuck, it's so good, right? But

21:40

I do watch it and

21:42

I think I believe that

21:44

therapy is good for everybody.

21:47

But I do think allowing

21:49

yourself to be so honest,

21:51

like some of those people,

21:53

some of the people, the

21:55

honesty, I'm like, I

21:57

don't know if being that honest all

21:59

the time is a good thing. Yeah.

22:01

Like one of the women was saying,

22:04

She's just not sexually attracted to her husband anymore

22:07

because he put on weight. How

22:09

do you say that? Yes, some

22:11

things are inside thoughts. And

22:14

I'm like, how do you then have

22:16

that session and you've said these things

22:19

to each other and then leave and

22:21

carry on as normal? I don't know

22:23

if I could do that. But

22:26

then I also admire that because I'm

22:28

like, well, that's how you move through

22:30

things. Of course. You know, and of

22:32

course it would be super hurtful. But

22:35

it's also like, well, if our marriage

22:37

is feeling over, what is, then

22:39

when you've got kind of nothing to lose, maybe that's

22:42

when you say it. Yeah. Yeah. Did

22:44

he end up saying, I'm going to lose

22:46

weight? Like what did he say? No, he

22:48

just looked fucking defeated the poor bastard. He

22:50

just looked ashamed. And I think he'd had

22:52

weight issues in the past. It was just

22:54

like. Something like that.

22:57

I don't know if you need to

23:00

be honest about I know. That seems

23:02

cruel to me. Yeah. Or

23:05

say that to your friend. Say it

23:07

to your friend and then maybe say

23:09

to him, hey, you know, go for

23:12

a walk. Like, I don't know. Shit.

23:14

Waits a very hard thing to bring

23:16

up to, especially roles reversed. Like imagine

23:19

Mark was like, you're

23:22

putting on a bit. Yeah, like

23:24

and this is the thing he

23:26

would never because he's not he's

23:29

but even forget the like being

23:31

nice part of it. He's just

23:33

not that person like he just

23:35

doesn't understand. Like

23:38

the van it he has no vanity

23:40

or anything. That's right. Yeah, he doesn't

23:42

see it. He's like I walk around

23:44

the house 90 % of the time

23:46

looking like a fucking pig. And

23:49

it hits like but you don't look

23:51

any different to me. Yeah, when you

23:54

start and then I get angry because

23:56

I'm like, that's a lie. Yes.

23:58

Yeah. But it's not a lie. And

24:00

I'm like, well, maybe he just doesn't

24:02

like, you know, you love someone you

24:04

see beyond that. Yes. Yeah. But

24:07

you can, but I guess like Sam never looks

24:09

that different to me, but they don't have as

24:11

much to work with as us. is a thing.

24:13

Yeah. A woman can, like

24:15

when we record, I would never get on

24:17

without makeup or anything because it's like, it

24:20

makes me feel better about myself. Yes. But.

24:23

I do look different, obviously. It just takes

24:25

my mascara off. Yeah, the mascara is the

24:27

big difference. That's the main thing. But I

24:29

don't reckon Sam would notice half the time

24:31

either. But then I say that. But then

24:34

sometimes when I dress like an absolute, like

24:36

just clearly just wrapped on whatever's there, it'll

24:38

be like, oh, you put on your good

24:40

clothes for me. So it's like sometimes he

24:42

does notice. Yeah, of course. But

24:44

it's just the, and then it's, and then that rolls

24:47

into, oh, is it just that

24:49

they don't even see me anymore? Yes. They're

24:52

just not. looking at me. So I guess,

24:54

you know, always glass half empty, isn't it? All

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