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Hey what's up hello everyone, welcome back to another

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episode of Simply Podlogical. You know it's

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nothing new, you know us all too well.

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A Simply Analogical Podcast. You know we've got a bad

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reputation.

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Bad reputation. Never go

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out of style. No.

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We saw Taylor Swift.

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We have a lot of bad blood. I've

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got a lot of good blood after the show. Yes.

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Replenish my blood. Welcome back everyone

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and uh welcome back to us because we are

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now home but we went on a

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little trip to New Jersey to

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do a couple things. We first went to the lab where

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Holo Tacos made and then we went to the

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Taylor Swift concert in New Jersey which was

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her first night playing in New Jersey.

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Yeah so she's been touring for a while now but

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yeah she's playing three nights in the

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MetLife Stadium in Jersey. Yeah

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and we went with a few members of the Holo Taco team

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who are Swifties. Big old Swifties.

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And Ben also is a member of the Holo Taco team

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who is a Swifty.

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They're bigger Swifties

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than me. Really? I feel like you're a really

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big Swifty. Like you know everything because i if

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i have a question about a song or an album i'm like

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what is this is this part of this? You know the answer.

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No i mean well okay i like

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her music. This is actually a good place to

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start the the con that my

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overall impression

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of the experience of going to a Taylor

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we'd never gone to a Taylor Swift concert before. I

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haven't been to a concert since the

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Backstreet Boys when i was 14 like something

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like that. I mean to to a big concert

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like that i've been to like other smaller

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Well i've never been to a concert that big.

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I've been to big music festivals in Toronto,

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Montreal i'm not counting music festivals

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in that i meant like a like a giant

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concert yeah biggest concert i've probably ever

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been to before this was maybe Radiohead

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was a was a big show back in the day

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um but but this this

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was a open air this is a stadium

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without a roof it's like a

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football field the Jets play

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it's where a football team plays okay and

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it There was probably

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around 70,000 people there because

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the building fits like 70 but they don't sit people

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Completely behind this there were people seated

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so I kind of behind the stage with

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obstructed views That's like how much they packed

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this place and way more people wanted

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tickets than could get them So we feel very

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fortunate that we were able

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To get in at all

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We sat on the floor which

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is like insane right we were on the floor like 10

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rows back from the stage Yeah, like

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so we realized we were very lucky.

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We got very good seats a lot of people would

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Please

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don't murder me only thing I didn't love

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about that section if we're glass half

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full for for for for a second

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Well, you're doing empty. It sounds like a

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glass half empty My glass

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wasn't completely full Our section

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was directly in front of the the

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celebrity VIP tent Which

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I think a lot of people think I'm like that's cool You

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get to stare at celebrities, but it kind

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of meant that during the openers like I'm

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a big Phoebe Bridgers fan So she's singing

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a few songs right before Taylor Swift comes on There's

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just rows of mostly teenage

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girls in front of us just staring back

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at us Well, not at us, but they're not looking

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at us Through us and over

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us and I'm like they should be looking at me No,

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no, it was super awkward to like try to watch

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the openers I thought and it just feels like

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there's a wall of people in front of you looking in

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your direction It was just

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and the seats are all very close together Like

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yeah, and that's and that's not only bump into someone

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if you were trying to get out of that I just found it kind of distracting

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and also just thinking in my head like there's

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a tent of celebrities in the back It's super

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strange that people are just staring at them like zoo

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animals. I mean, I know this is normal

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and I wouldn't like Judge,

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you know if I had a friend who was like who's that? Like

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I get it I know it's the very

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default normal human reaction,

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but I guess given our experience I

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have like an added level of discussion discomfort,

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like secondhand discomfort about it for the

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people in that thing. Ben You're feeling the anxiety for

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the people there? Cristine Yeah. Now let me make it clear I am not

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as famous as Camilla and Shawn

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Mendes or like whoever was in the tent like

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I saw the pictures later that that's who was in the tent

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but like I wasn't actually yeah, so

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like

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Ben Yes, Ben, I don't know. Ben Well, you're

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saying that like it's factual. I don't think they were there.

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Cristine I saw pictures. Ben Of them making

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out? Cristine No, just that they were there.

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Ben Was Bo Burnham there? Cristine No, that was

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like a long time ago. Ben You know what the one of the girls

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in front of me screamed at one point? Did you hear this?

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She goes, Olivia Benson. Cristine

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Yeah, because Mariska, I don't know

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how to pronounce her last name from

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Law and Order as you was there. Ben It's Law

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and Order. Okay, that's not even the actress's name. Cristine I know. This is

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her character's name. Ben It's a character she plays on TV. Cristine But like this

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just, what do you expect? Ben Is this girl young

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enough? So this girl have seen

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Law and Order? Cristine I think they just know about

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it because Taylor Swift named one of her cats

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after that, correct? Ben Oh. Cristine

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Yeah. I knew that fact. Ben You know something? I don't know. Ben You

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know the cat facts. I know everything else. Cristine Yeah, it's just, and

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I mean, hey, people screamed

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at me at VidCon, you know, and like,

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were looking for me. So I get it.

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I'm not saying it's- Ben

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I was mostly just thrown off by like, I get

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it yelling for Shawn Mendes or like Justin

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Bieber. Cristine But not Olivia Benson. Ben The fact that you're screaming

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for the fictional S-Lawn

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Order SVU character was the

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strangest thing I thought.

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Cristine Yeah, they did it in like unison. There was like group

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people. I also feel really secondhand,

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like awkward that so many people were trying to

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film the booth, but I feel like they accidentally

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got us, like, because we were standing. And

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they're like somewhere, somewhere on the internet,

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someone has clips of me and Ben just being like,

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oh my god. Cristine Like, well, we don't know

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where to look. Like we're trying to look at the stage, but then

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like filming our director. So

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that's somewhere. Ben Yeah, that's fine. Cristine

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Yeah. Ben It was kind of nice to not be like, it

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was nice. I actually had the opposite reaction.

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I'm like, oh, I'm not really worried about people

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recognizing you because they're looking for Shawn

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Mendes. Cristine Right. So like it was

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kind of like a good foil yeah at the

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end of the show some people came up to you and said

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hi and took pictures but it felt like in the

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moment we didn't really have to think

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about that

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yeah and there was a bit of an age difference

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because I feel like people who are aware of

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me have aged with me a little bit even

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if they were younger when they started watching me

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but the girls in front of us like there's no way because they

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would have been like six

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they were too young for that but there

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were a ton of there's a ton of people

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who grew up with Taylor Swift at the show yeah

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as well right like there are a ton of people there it

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had real like

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dance recital energy I just

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want to be like I'm saying this without judgment like

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this isn't a pejorative thing like

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I guess what I was trying to say the very beginning

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is like I'm a fan of her music I like her I'm interested

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I thought it was a good show impressive yada

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yada yada but like there

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were people there where it was obviously

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like this was like a religious experience

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where like they're singing at the top of their

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lungs going all out having a great time

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and like and like good for them I just that's

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not me it's nothing makes me that

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happy there's

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gonna be swifty's in the audience this is

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the POV of Ben a 34 year

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old man who is 35 how old are you? and

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like you were wearing merch but you weren't decked

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out in glitter sequin jackets like

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most of the crowd so yeah from your POV it's

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a different experience because when you go to concerts you just

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go there to like listen to the music right

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yeah

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and I'm good I had a great time and

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I'll tell you like which parts of the show I liked and my

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highlights and you could do that too I'm just

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it was

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my overall impression was almost like you

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know those like mega pastor churches

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you ever seen clips clips where like there's a

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bunch of people in a room like they're speaking in tongues

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they're throwing money at a pastor so he can buy another

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private jet you

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know that those sort of vibes you

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know mega churches in the states okay

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where they like seeing like I felt like we're in a

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mega church okay where everyone's

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like having like a life-changing

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experience and I'm there like I

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just kind of like crackers and you

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know I could that Jesus guy sounds okay

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But you like Taylor Swift.

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I like Taylor Swift but like there

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I'm a fan. Yeah but you're

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not a fan of that type of experience isn't

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typically what you would seek out. Most

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of I'm a fan most of the people there are fanatical.

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And that's fine I'm this is not I'm not saying this

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as a negative thing. I'm so

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happy for those people like people were clearly having

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the time of their life there including people who were with.

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Yeah so like it was great it

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was just yeah I was like

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you know not having the same experiences.

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I think I personally have

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a problem where when I

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go into several. Let me explain

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let me over explain wait I have

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a problem where if I go into a large

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social arena where it's like a lot of

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social gathering or social actions

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or change in decorum or whatever it is I

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fixate on analyzing that. So

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it's like any time we go to like a sports

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event yeah but anytime we go to a

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hockey game or a sports event I'm just like staring

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like looking at how people behave

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the actions what the ref does

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what kind of emotional

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reaction a decision evokes

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and it's the same observation I found myself

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doing with this concert. I mean it's also like insane

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like you look up from the floor and there's like seats

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like fucking forever to the top

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of the sky like it is wonderful

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to look at and be like oh my god this is so many

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people but I was also kind of

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just doing you know observational

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analysis of my environment. It's like when

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we went to the hockey game and all you were talking about after

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is like the fans were emotional.

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Like people were crying

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or fighting when like someone didn't win and screaming.

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Like that doesn't happen until there's swift concert

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or not that I saw it no one was like angry screaming

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at each other it was way more happy as opposed

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to like sports where there's always screaming and getting mad

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because

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someone loses. It was good vibes good

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vibes. Yeah it was good vibes but I

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just was mostly like in awe of the

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whole people and the interactions. Yeah

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all right. Do we want to

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get into like the show itself? Yeah,

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the music. The show. Let's talk about

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the music. I have too many observations about

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like the set, the costumes,

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that kind of stuff. But maybe we start with the music

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because that's like

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the point. Yeah, well I guess I

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will say that a lot of people ... the

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night we went was the 26th, the

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Friday show, the first of her three shows

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in New York. And I think a lot of people, when

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you mentioned that we had gone to that one, were like, wow,

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you got a really good show.

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Yes. So I guess we should explain that. Like for

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this tour ... Why was it a good show? Exactly.

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So like the set list for this tour, she's been touring for

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a couple months now and is touring for a couple

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more, I think. Just in the States. Yes.

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There's probably going to be an international tour.

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So we'll go again. Okay. In Ottawa.

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She's coming to Ottawa? I don't think she's coming to Ottawa.

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But so the set list has stayed pretty consistent.

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But every night there's like two surprise

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songs

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where like she's trying to change it all

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the time. I like that. So like you're uniquely that

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night probably getting a song. That's fun. That

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is fun. And she has a huge catalog to pick from.

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So we got two really

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good surprise songs that people really wanted. How

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do you define good though? Like why are

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those good? Oh, it's ... The songs were what, Maroon

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and ... And Getaway Car. Yeah.

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So I mean it's subjective, right? But

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there's definitely fan favorites that

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people are really crossing their fingers.

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They get on their show. Because they like bigger singles

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or something like that. No, often they're deep ... Well,

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Maroon's a pretty big song that just a lot of people

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like off the newest album. Getaway Car

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is

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like not a deep cut, but just people

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have picked their favorites like through her catalog

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and hope those are the ones they get. I don't

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know. There's no ... Okay. But those are known

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to be more fan favorites, those two. Sure.

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But I mean I think a lot of people just be happy with anything.

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Anyone will feel special because they feel like, oh

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it was only for me on this night. So it doesn't really matter what

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song it is. We got good ones though. Like

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I looked at the ones the next night, the Saturday

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night. Oh really? We got

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better. What were they? I can't even remember, but I remember

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thinking we got the better songs. Yeah,

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all the comments on Snapchat to me replies

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when I was posting stories were just like, oh

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my god, you won tonight. You got the

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best concert because there was also...

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We also got the music video premiere, the

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Ice Spice, the Karma remix. And

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then she came out live, which I don't think anyone knew. Yeah,

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I mean, I think a lot of people suspected it could

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happen. There's probably like a Taylor Swift detective's

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where they were preaching. I think on the Saturday night too,

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by the way. I think Ice Spice is probably going to play

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all three of these New York shows, certain Jersey shows.

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But

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yeah, so like we got some special things.

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Karma is my boyfriend. I like

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that song. Zylar the Cat. It sounds

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like that. Repeatedly through... was it that

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song? I don't think it was that song. I

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don't know. I can't remember. A couple times, Christine leans

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over to us and the rest of the group and goes like, it

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sounds like she's saying Zylar. And we're all

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like, what the fuck are you talking about?

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There was like some lyrics I can't

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remember now where I'm like, I swear to God, it sounds

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like she's saying Zylar Cat, Dela

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Cat. Was it delicate? I can't, maybe.

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Is it too soon to Zylar the Cat? Because

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I know that it's Zylar the Cat. I don't think

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so. No, there's a reason why my

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brain was doing that. Never mind. We had

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been talking about Zylar. Yeah, it's

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kind of like a meme that no one understands

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because it's fine. You're just thinking

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about Zylar. Yeah.

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I was thinking about Zylar too. I wish we could have brought

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him. Too little, he would not enjoy it. Too

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many people?

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He likes people. Menchie would have not

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liked it. Too loud. Oh, no. And

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people. He likes people. Not that many people.

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Not 70,000 people. Not 70,000 people. No

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cat likes 70,000 people. For me,

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without question, best part

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of the concert was the Evermore

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section. And that was earlier on. That was early

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in the show.

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That was where she was wearing like a brownish burgundy

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dress with kind of gold sparkles.

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And then I came up with like Halloween vibes,

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glowing orange balls. But

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I just thought that like I'm looking this

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mostly

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from a musical perspective. The

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song she chose from that album, which is one of

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my

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one of my favorite albums of hers,

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I thought was really good and translated really well

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to that setting. It was also like

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I guess I'll just be obvious with my bias that like

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when she's singing like 22 and

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we're never getting back together like that's

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not really what I'm interested in the

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more like sort of bubblegum high-energy

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pop I really liked the evermore section

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a lot.

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I didn't love the folklore section as much

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just because I felt like this was a three

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and a half hour concert. Which is long,

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right? Which I think is maybe a little bit too long

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for a show like this. But maybe people feel

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like they get their money's worth. And I totally

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respect that and like that's clearly part I

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would I have to think that's part of her motivation.

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Well, first of all, she's just trying to she hasn't toured

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in a long time

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she's released a lot of music

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so she is just trying to

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And it is just giving people like an overview of her entire

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career. So it's hard to do a short show

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and I respect her wanting to give people a long

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good show.

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But it did sort of like in the in

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the folklore section, which is an album I like

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we both kind of sat down for

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a while. Whereas for the rest of the

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time everyone's just standing the whole time, right? And

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it did feel like by that point in the show you're ready

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to for it to sort of build to a climax

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And it felt it kind of lulled

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a bit to me I thought in the folklore section.

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Like one or two too many songs. I think so.

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That's a pretty long section But evermore

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I thought was great.

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Yeah, that was my favorite part.

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I liked the section where she was wearing

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black and red and the

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imagery was snakes. Like there was a snake

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on her body suit and there was snake

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imagery in the background And they had

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like hissing sound effects that kind

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of came in between sounds and transitions.

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Yeah I just thought it was so funny.

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So yeah, this would this is the reputation

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section, right? Yeah,

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so what what did they play it was ready for it? Delicate

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Zylar the cat. Yeah

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Don't blame me and look

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what you made We do. Delicate

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was really good. That was a fun section. That's a

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little more badass, right? Yeah,

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I think that's why I prefer

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that type of music. Like if I'm going to be at a pop

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concert, I guess I'd prefer music that's

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like a little bit badass pop if that

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definition makes sense. Like I like that

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it was a little more evil

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with the imagery and just the attitude to

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it. A little slightly more hip-hop

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but not actually. But there was like more verses

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in it that were a little more like had more beats

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to it. A

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little edgier, yeah. Yeah, so I was like

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okay this is cool and I really like the costume

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and the colors and how everything

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kind of lit up in red looked so good.

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Do you care about like I

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guess we don't go to concerts like this much but like the whole

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like theatrical component of it

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and the choreography

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and the dancing and the like

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I know this is totally unrealistic but like

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I would much prefer Taylor

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Swift sitting down at a guitar in front of a piano.

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I don't...

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Well she did that too. And yeah she did

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but like for me like I've such

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an obvious preference for that over like the big

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theatrical look at all my dancers, look

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at this, look at that. I

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think it depends. I'm sure she probably

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has played smaller venues where she can

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do that more relaxed but. I don't

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think she can she's too many fans. Oh maybe not.

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She can't do that at this point. No okay.

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Right? Because no no but I think you're kind of getting

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my point like

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I would love to see Taylor Swift in a coffee shop

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with like 100 people in it. That's never gonna

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happen. But 70,000 people

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were fighting over tickets to this show right?

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So it's just like impossible to imagine.

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And when you're doing a performance to 70,000 people and it's a

17:37

lot of upbeat

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songs you want to make sure you get the crowd who's

17:41

really far away energized and

17:43

they can see what you're doing. And even though you're

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doing huge movements in one

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tiny spot in the stage, there's

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cameras filming you and blowing

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you up 22 times on the big screen

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and still that's far away for some

17:57

people who are far away. So from.

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someone or being someone who did dance

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recitals when I was young,

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I remember it being burned into your brain

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to do the like huge smiles and facial expressions

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and almost like we didn't lip-sync that

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wasn't part of it but it's almost like if there was

18:13

like a pop or something in the song you

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would like do that with your mouth or your

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eyes like open your eyes bigger and smile and

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with hand movements being very big and deliberate

18:22

spreading of the fingers when you're doing like

18:24

hip-hop dance this wasn't necessarily the same for

18:26

like ballet or jazz or whatever but

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like a lot of dance was that expressive

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so people can see you from the stage

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and this was I did not do dance

18:35

recitals where there was like cameras filming

18:38

us and projecting us so it was like much smaller

18:40

scale but I just remember that so

18:42

when I was watching the dancers and

18:44

her a

18:45

lot of it was like so familiar to me

18:47

the way they were doing facial expressions like really

18:50

big and all their movements had to be exaggerated

18:53

probably much like theater is right

18:55

and I think it's kind of

18:57

different for us because we were lucky enough to be

18:59

sitting so close to the stage that like

19:01

you can really see it like we

19:03

were close enough that it's like oh that is Taylor

19:05

Swift just standing there right just no like dancers

19:08

right it's not like she was like a speck on a stage

19:10

but I hear you right like there are a few parts

19:12

where like the dancers are pretty close to our side

19:15

and like

19:16

they're just making crazy faces and it's

19:18

like up close that looks really weird

19:20

but it's for the people like a hundred feet

19:22

back that way you know

19:23

yeah and it's just for the theater

19:26

of it all it's like to make people in the audience

19:28

feel like something big is happening

19:30

so I think it's just part of the

19:32

theater but yeah it is for someone who's never

19:34

really observed that like you've never been to dance

19:37

recitals probably or like participating it it's

19:39

got to be a little weird but I was just like yeah that's

19:41

just what they do

19:42

I used to get my my haircut at

19:44

a barber that was below a dance studio

19:46

and you just heard you just heard the stomp

19:48

you heard kickball changes all day long yeah

19:51

well I don't know what I was hearing sounded

19:53

like a stampede so

19:56

yeah that the whole theatrical component of it was

19:58

a little weird because if you feels this

20:01

isn't a criticism of her or

20:03

the show, but it's kind of like how

20:06

do you have an authentic human

20:09

interaction when you're in like

20:11

a fishbowl of 70,000 people? You

20:14

know, because as much as like

20:16

first of all just I think a lot of people having that experience

20:19

and being in her position that's got to sort of break your brain.

20:22

Like I don't even know how you

20:23

receive that information like from

20:26

a sensory perspective of just being on a

20:28

stage surrounded by that many people screaming at you,

20:30

that's got to be a complete mind fuck I

20:32

would think anyway.

20:35

So like I wonder like does that just start

20:37

feeling

20:39

normal? Like clearly she wanted to express

20:41

it like there would be breaks in between songs where she'd say

20:43

things that are like nice and like you guys I

20:46

like appreciate all the love and support which

20:49

did sort of feel

20:52

they felt a little contrived like oh these are

20:54

just lines she says in between songs

20:56

to make people feel appreciated. Do you know

20:58

if it's the same between other concerts? I haven't really been watching the concerts but

21:01

it did feel a little like kind of strangely

21:03

artificial like

21:05

like is she just saying this on every stop she goes

21:07

which is which is fine right because yeah like

21:10

it would start to feel normal. I feel

21:11

like it's expected like my understanding

21:14

of concerts is like at every concert the

21:16

singer is going to be like yeah New Jersey

21:18

I love it here. Or like whatever insert

21:21

you know something about that crowd.

21:23

Yeah like it's like normal

21:25

behavior. Yeah but it was like oh Jersey

21:28

like you guys are making me like

21:31

you're clapping for me and it's like you're

21:33

not surprised you know people are here for

21:35

you that's what was a little weird

21:37

like there was a bit of this like oh I can't believe

21:40

you love me and it's like

21:41

the biggest pop star in the world. Yeah

21:46

it's something I think about too like

21:49

you know in my much smaller scale of faith

21:51

but like I also worry

21:55

and like wonder like I don't want to have a false

21:57

sense of like modesty where I'm like

21:59

saying like

21:59

Oh my god, you guys love me? I didn't realize

22:02

or like something that like, you know, I don't

22:04

want to do that. Yeah Um, so

22:06

yeah, I I've I imagine it's something

22:08

she thinks about and consider like how

22:11

do you sincerely communicate appreciation?

22:14

And yeah, but it's just a hard thing right especially

22:16

if it's normalized

22:18

I noticed with phoebe bridgers

22:20

her I mean, she's a totally different artist

22:22

with a different style of singing She

22:25

doesn't do big pop right like it's more

22:28

Mellow it's more depressing. Yeah

22:31

So maybe her her general demeanor

22:33

is different than someone like taylor swift But

22:35

like when she was singing even with the on

22:38

the duet with taylor

22:39

or earlier another highlight of the show or

22:41

earlier on her own Her demeanor

22:44

was different than taylor which I just found interesting

22:46

because both of them are Pretty big stars

22:49

playing to 70 000 people

22:50

who are screaming at them orders of magnitude Okay,

22:53

but like they're still in the same position

22:55

with the same thing in front of them Yeah,

22:58

and I thought their demeanors were different

23:00

in terms of like how they interact with

23:02

the crowd And the mannerisms. I think taylor's

23:04

was just like really good at the more

23:08

Everything felt like a performance with

23:10

her in a way down to like

23:12

the hand gestures of people

23:14

Some things felt kind of strategic. It's almost like

23:16

the

23:17

Uh, she'll like make eye contact with

23:19

a section to make them feel as if like

23:22

she's seeing them Or the camera.

23:24

Yeah, or the camera it all feels pretty orchestrated

23:27

and it probably is But

23:30

but I think it comes from a good place of like I want

23:32

like there's so many people here I'm trying to make sure

23:34

everyone feels like there's some sort of connection

23:37

going on I just think she's kind of in this impossible

23:40

position of like how do you really

23:42

feel that connection?

23:44

Because I just think as an artist that would be really tough

23:47

I don't know. I think her I think her

23:49

her goal is just to make as many people

23:52

as possible As much money

23:54

as possible. I want more planes Her

23:57

goal is to make as many people as possible

23:59

will feel appreciated and like they

24:02

enjoyed the show. So it is strategic

24:04

to do this kind of like, I'm going to isolate

24:06

this section, do a special thing

24:09

with my hand.

24:09

BRIAN Okay, but that's a totally good objective

24:11

then. She's trying to make sure it's just a good show

24:13

for people, right? CATHY Yeah, yeah, she's

24:16

a she's a good performer. BRIAN Yeah, she's

24:18

yeah, she's she's the biggest pop star

24:20

in the world. She must be, right? CATHY I don't

24:22

know how to measure that. BRIAN I mean, I'm sure... CATHY

24:24

Is there a social blade for pop stars? BRIAN

24:27

I mean, there are charts. CATHY Yeah. BRIAN

24:29

I think by a lot of like hard

24:31

if you're asking for statistics, Christine.

24:33

CATHY Yeah, where is the stats? BRIAN I think by a lot of

24:35

stats, she she would be. CATHY How do

24:37

you measure it by like number of tickets sold

24:39

or how quickly they sell out kind of thing? BRIAN Yeah,

24:41

like total gate, biggest selling,

24:43

tour of all time, things like that you

24:46

could measure or just like charts, music

24:48

charting,

24:49

how many weeks at number one.

24:52

The only other person right now touring

24:55

is Beyonce, who I think is even in the same conversation.

24:57

CATHY That's in Europe. BRIAN She's in Europe, but I think she's

24:59

coming.

25:01

I think she has North American dates later, I would

25:03

assume. But

25:05

yeah, there's like we're talking about

25:07

a handful of people

25:09

who have ever lived who are at like this level

25:12

of fame, I want to say.

25:14

And a lot of those people just get totally...

25:17

I don't know why I'm dwelling on this aspect of it. I

25:19

just find it so... I can't

25:21

imagine how you can go through that without it

25:23

sort of breaking you in a weird way. CATHY

25:26

And I'm sure it does or has.

25:28

And yeah, it's just always important

25:30

for the average person in life to remember

25:33

that when you're thinking about your idol

25:35

or people that like they go through a lot

25:37

of shit just trying to do

25:40

what they want to do. And I don't think Taylor

25:42

like ever decided, I'm gonna get 80 million

25:44

people to follow me, you know? Like I don't think

25:47

that's how it happens. I think it just happened.

25:49

And then now she has to deal with that. Not that

25:51

she's not grateful,

25:53

but that it's... it's challenging. It's

25:56

just always gonna be people criticizing or whatever

25:58

her relationships or...

25:59

Whatever it is. She does get a lot of criticism.

26:02

I feel like like I'm not really a Swifty,

26:04

but I

26:06

am so cognizant of trying

26:08

to be careful to not participate in

26:10

the culture of like

26:12

Taking someone down or evaluating

26:14

someone's relationship or whatever it is that like

26:16

isn't what they put on display Yes,

26:19

I'll just say that Okay.

26:22

All right. No comment on the new boyfriend

26:24

I'm a responsible observer Is how

26:26

I see it. Okay. Mm-hmm

26:28

you know, I think that you can observe and enjoy and

26:31

love what someone puts out for you, but

26:33

then like Respond responsibly,

26:35

you know

26:36

when something comes to you or you see it in the news

26:38

or someone's like oh my god retweet this Yeah,

26:42

yeah, it's a little unhealthy how Yeah,

26:47

anyway, let's focus on the fun stuff

26:49

the Phoebe Bridgers collab that was another highlight

26:51

for me that was good Phoebe Bridgers is great.

26:53

Yeah, I wish there was more of her But I was

26:56

very distracted while she was playing because the

26:58

people in front of us kept talking about the B.I.P. Yeah,

27:02

I would gladly see a Phoebe Bridgers

27:05

show the next time she's touring on her own. I think

27:07

she's touring with

27:08

Boy genius. She has a little group with she

27:11

did say that two friends of hers, right? So if they

27:13

do Canadian dates, I would definitely go.

27:15

Yeah, I feel like I like her

27:17

music vibe She's

27:20

the right level of depressing in music

27:22

I think I love depressing music me

27:24

too But I feel like there's you have to strike a

27:26

bit of a balance because I think if

27:28

it's too sad and self-pitying

27:31

It's like annoying. It's just kind of feel

27:33

self-indulgent to me. So there's like

27:36

For me, that's like mitzki.

27:37

No offense to mitzki fans, but like it's

27:40

all like oh my god I hate

27:42

myself like I don't want to listen to that.

27:44

I mean we listen to that shit You know,

27:46

there's a point is there was a point in my life where I would have listened

27:49

to stuff like that these days I'm looking for a bit

27:51

like, you know, it's weird. I'm like, I'm a pretty

27:53

happy person

27:54

I kind of like where I am in life. Really? I like

27:56

the life I have with you. We

27:59

have our issues things are stressful but

28:01

like I'm generally happy but I

28:03

still find myself ... wanting

28:05

depressing music finding depressing music

28:08

much more moving and in even like I

28:11

find a lot of I like a lot of music that is

28:14

feels a little like regretful or

28:17

that is singing about

28:20

singing about like something

28:22

in the rearview mirror a decision that

28:25

you didn't make somehow

28:27

your life went in a different direction

28:29

some of my favorite Taylor Swift songs are like

28:32

that some of the evermore songs too right it's like going

28:35

back to my like songs about your hometown

28:37

so it's more or things of your childhood

28:40

someone who used to mean a lot to you whether that was a

28:42

friend or a partner or a family member

28:44

you don't have anymore like

28:46

I find that hugely moving and

28:48

affecting in a way that

28:50

I find myself

28:52

Gravitating towards music like that as opposed

28:54

to like the big pop song. So I think that's why I just like

28:57

Yeah, which often just is like somewhat

29:00

sad music or in a way or at least like

29:02

kind of nostalgic maybe

29:03

Nostalgic is a good word which

29:05

kind of makes sense. I imagine that when you're 16,

29:08

you don't really

29:10

Care or like there's it doesn't mean as

29:12

much to you when there's like nostalgic songs

29:14

about like long-term relationships Because

29:17

you're like you're not there yet. But when you're 27

29:19

or something those songs like maybe

29:22

Really hit you differently. So yeah,

29:24

it makes sense. You know, it's one thing I like about

29:27

the evermore and folklore

29:29

albums I kind of consider

29:31

Sister albums, I guess let's say both

29:34

pandemic albums

29:36

Uh, I felt like there's

29:38

a bit of a maturity in her songwriting How

29:42

do I put this A

29:44

lot of her older records that i'm not a huge

29:46

fan of

29:48

I think do really appeal to a very sort

29:50

of young

29:51

22 audience mindset of like

29:53

relationships and stuff like

29:55

that boy was mean to me We're

29:58

not getting back together almost

30:00

like in a sort of like young adult

30:03

fiction writing kind

30:05

of way. What I thought was really interesting

30:07

about her newer folky sort

30:09

of albums is even though she has

30:11

some songs like that,

30:13

they feel kind of reflexive to me.

30:15

Like there's an acknowledgement when

30:18

remember in the folklore section she talks about she

30:20

intro'd like they're here these are these songs I

30:23

wrote about this fictional love triangle between

30:25

three young people.

30:28

Like it feels like there's a

30:30

something very reflexive or self-aware.

30:33

Like was it really about her? Is that what you're talking about?

30:35

No it's more it's more that like she acknowledges she's

30:37

like writing songs about someone she isn't when

30:40

she's doing that like young people love

30:43

story thing and then the songs

30:45

that aren't about that I think actually do have

30:47

a lot more maturity and recognition that like

30:49

relationships fall apart

30:51

not just because the boy was mean to me but

30:54

because maybe of my issues

30:56

too

30:57

and things are way more complicated and messy

31:00

and there's

31:00

a lot of... So it just makes sense. Yeah like I

31:03

just grew up with different writing. Exactly and but

31:05

that's what I that's another thing I think I really

31:07

like about her albums and just how she's matured as

31:09

a songwriter.

31:11

I thought when she said she was bringing out a

31:13

special friend a guy to sing with

31:15

her that she was going to bring out Bon Iver,

31:18

Justin Vernon right? Oh okay. I was like

31:20

what? And then I would have screamed.

31:24

Oh yeah. But I mean like everyone's gonna get mad

31:26

at me because they're gonna be like Jack Antonoff is amazing

31:28

and I'm sure he is but I thought she

31:31

I thought she was talking about the

31:32

Bonnie Vare song. Why did you think that? Just

31:34

the way she said it and it was like going into slow mode. She said he

31:36

was from New Jersey. Okay well I didn't

31:39

pick up on that part but like the rest of it. She's from

31:41

Eau Claire. I was like who I guess

31:43

I didn't realize that he had also been on

31:45

her album in that way.

31:47

Have you ever seen Bonnie Vare Live? No

31:49

not live. No. No. Why

31:52

don't we do that? I know. Next time we want

31:54

to go to a show let's go see

31:56

someone you really want to see. Sure. Would

31:59

that be Bonnie Vare? Yeah. Is there anyone

32:01

you want to see more? Like Dua Lipa? Oh

32:03

my god, that's you, man. No, I'd rather

32:06

see Bon Iver. Anyways, I thought...

32:08

Although he can't dance like this. You're right, yes. I

32:11

thought that's what she was saying because I just

32:13

didn't have the knowledge of like knowing that there

32:15

was another guy with a guitar

32:17

who would have come out. I was like, who else could it be? It's obviously

32:19

Bon Iver. And then I was like, oh, oops. I

32:22

don't know enough. All I really heard her say is

32:24

like, this guy's from Jersey and I'm just thinking like

32:26

musical artists from New Jersey. She started talking about

32:28

how they were great friends and like

32:31

he was an amazing songwriter and

32:33

stuff. And I was like, it's Bonnie Mouse.

32:36

They're going to sing exile.

32:37

Yeah, but a lot of artists say like, oh, we're such

32:39

a good friends and then just brings on someone they met one

32:41

time. I know. And you're right. It's

32:44

my bad for thinking that. Like, but I had like five

32:46

seconds where I was like, what?

32:47

I thought Bruce Spring Street was going to walk

32:49

out or some shit like that. That would have been kind of amazing

32:52

though, right? Yeah. Or...

32:54

Cool for all the boomers. Some

32:56

other boomer. Some other bads from New Jersey. Yeah.

33:00

Thunder Road. Let's go. Yeah,

33:02

no, that was Jack Antonoff when he came out. They

33:04

did Getaway Car. It's another reputation

33:07

track. I'm pretty sure people will.

33:09

He co-writes the songs with her, right?

33:11

They've done a lot of songwriting together, especially

33:13

recently. She's done a lot of co-writing with

33:17

the guy from the national. His name's escaping

33:19

me right now. And

33:21

did a little bit with Bon Iver on Folklore

33:23

and Evermore as well. Which,

33:25

you know what? I actually don't like the duets

33:27

they have on those albums, but I love the

33:30

influence they very obviously had

33:32

on those albums. Yeah. Especially the national

33:34

guy.

33:36

I think he's a great songwriter and producer, but I

33:38

just really... I

33:40

don't know. I don't love his

33:43

performance of songs. With

33:45

Taylor or... Just in general.

33:47

I'm not a big national fan. Okay. That's

33:51

okay. I don't know as much about that one. Just Bon

33:53

Iver. It's almost got a sort of spoken word

33:55

thing. I guess that's something people are into. It's

33:58

almost like Leonard Cohen-ish.

34:00

Suzanne eats

34:02

the apples all the way from China

34:05

if you got bad blood yeah

34:07

something like that she'll feed

34:09

you tea and oranges tea? that

34:12

come all the way from China Suzanne

34:17

sweet caroline you have no idea what i'm talking

34:19

about sweet caroline so

34:22

if money very money very is touring Europe right now you

34:24

would go to a Justin Vernon show I'm

34:26

sure they've come to Ottawa they'd come again I've

34:29

seen him in Ottawa yeah so this was many

34:31

years ago I don't think they're coming back I

34:33

don't think he's coming back I think we might have to go to

34:35

Wisconsin we can get some cheese

34:37

okay cheese

34:39

and music sounds good that's what life's all

34:41

about they didn't have any cheese bladders

34:44

I had the tailors no they did not they

34:46

didn't have any catering at all nope it's

34:49

just a floor of screaming can

34:51

we talk about the the noise oh

34:53

yeah because you are an acoustic person you

34:56

have an appreciation for music and acoustics

34:59

a nice way of saying I'm a loud person no

35:01

I mean like you have you

35:03

listened to music and you took jazz

35:05

classes and you whatever whatever why don't you

35:08

say why you are an acoustic person

35:10

whatever that might be

35:11

I don't know if I'm an acoustic person but I have

35:13

an opinion on the sound quality of the show which

35:15

was not very good but that's what you

35:17

expect

35:18

she's playing in a football stadium

35:21

without a roof

35:22

like a lot of music is played

35:25

in venues these days that were not designed

35:27

for music right whereas if you go to like

35:29

an orchestra where a symphony

35:31

sometimes plays right the shape of the rooms those

35:34

rooms are often designed in a way the

35:36

shape the the materials used

35:38

is often a big part of it like what sort of

35:40

happens at corners with reflections of

35:42

noises

35:43

like sound treatment is a

35:45

like the bass traps bass traps

35:48

yeah we have fishing nets in the corners I

35:50

always do this the bass traps we

35:52

have in the corner of this room so we have a very

35:55

unsophisticated version on here yeah we

35:57

have bass traps in the corners we have

35:59

a big We have a ceiling.

36:01

We do have a ceiling. That's a bit of an issue. Well,

36:04

you don't want to completely dead in a room either,

36:06

right? Because that makes it also sound very strange.

36:09

I saw a video of a...

36:10

I think U2...

36:12

I don't know if they were building it or they're just for the first

36:14

people to perform it, but they just built this venue

36:17

in Las Vegas.

36:19

That's like this dome

36:21

that was created specifically

36:23

to have good sound. And

36:25

so they're gonna be playing there. So like

36:28

something would sound a hundred times better in

36:30

that

36:31

than it sounded in Taylor Swift with

36:34

speakers blaring out into an open

36:36

field. Caught it.

36:37

So yeah, like as

36:39

much as it was a good time, and I'm sure they did the best they

36:41

can and they probably put like a hundred million dollars

36:44

into figuring out this tour and how to make it

36:46

sound good, there are definitely sections

36:48

where it just felt like sound was

36:50

sort of blaring at you and you're not

36:52

hearing

36:53

much subtlety to the music, let's say.

36:56

Yeah, we did wear earphones.

36:59

Earplugs. Earplugs. I

37:02

was listening to other music colors there. No, that's not what I meant.

37:05

Earplugs that are designed for

37:07

going to a concert. Like it lets

37:10

in some music, but it blocks

37:12

out like reverb or the

37:15

sounds of crowds out of like constant decibel.

37:17

Like there's

37:18

some technology. I think it

37:20

takes out the super high frequencies,

37:23

I want to say. I thought they really worked

37:26

because when I took them out once, like I could,

37:29

once I took them out, like I'd hear the crowd and

37:31

it was like way too loud because it was just a

37:33

lot of crowd up and behind us and all

37:35

around

37:35

us. So I found the same thing. I put them

37:37

in after a couple songs, not because

37:40

she was too loud. It was the crowd. But at the

37:42

peak screaming moments, you

37:44

feel this weird thing happening in your ears where

37:47

it's like

37:48

there's almost like a shit, like something like

37:50

shaking. Like your body realizes

37:53

like I'm not supposed to be experiencing

37:55

something this loud. Yeah, there's something,

37:57

I don't know, maybe people get off on that feeling

37:59

because it's...

37:59

sort of

38:01

like a sort of peak experience, but that

38:03

was the moment I'm like oh yeah I don't want to actually

38:06

damage my hearing over this. So

38:08

yeah we had uh they're called loops.

38:11

I'd never used them before because I'm not sure if this is like

38:13

a real review or anything

38:14

but I thought they good did a good job.

38:16

We bought the ones that are specifically made for like

38:18

hey I still want to hear the concert.

38:21

I just want to take out like the I

38:23

just want to dampen it down a little bit from

38:26

a decibel perspective and take out like the high frequencies

38:28

I think is what it does.

38:29

I saw a few people around wearing earplugs.

38:32

All the security. Well yeah that's all the

38:34

event staff. But they had like construction

38:36

level earplugs and you can tell like the

38:39

big ones. Yeah they don't want to hear anything. Like I want

38:41

to hear it. Your ears are just stuffed with orange

38:43

foam. But yeah it can be very damaging

38:45

to your ears and one thing I remember back

38:48

from being a kid when I went to concerts even

38:50

like smaller ones

38:51

was my ears would ring for days

38:54

and I think it

38:55

it's what triggered some

38:57

migraines for me and I am someone who

38:59

get migraines so uh wearing

39:02

those earplugs I think honestly

39:04

helped because I didn't have that at all after

39:07

and there was no way like no one didn't

39:09

have ringing ears if they weren't wearing earplugs and they were

39:11

like right in

39:12

the middle. Oh no I was super glad we did

39:14

that still enjoyed the show

39:16

uh and you're right like I wasn't

39:18

hearing

39:19

ringing in my ears. We'd be still we'd

39:21

be hearing ringing in our ears now. Yeah. If that we didn't.

39:24

This is what you got to do when you're a boomer you know

39:26

you need the earplugs you got to make take

39:28

care of your ears out there people. I just

39:30

wonder how

39:30

many people are going to be like deaf when they're like 70

39:34

because they went to too many Taylor Swift concerts.

39:37

I'm sure there'll be better hearing aids

39:40

you know by the time 20 year olds are 70

39:43

like surgeries to fix it or open

39:46

your ear canal or whatever. But

39:48

like I especially needed to do it because of the ear cleaning.

39:51

Oh that's right. My super hearing. That you explained on the

39:53

last podcast. I know. Why did you do that?

39:55

You could have just left the wax in it. It would have

39:57

acted like a filter. I had natural

39:59

ear flu. Oh my god That's

40:03

funny

40:04

My ears still feel clean though. That's I bought

40:06

a kid at home. So now I can do it.

40:08

I can do it all the time Do you want me to do it for you? No

40:11

my ears like I could do your ears. You sure?

40:13

They're good Yeah, I'm gonna take a look in there. No

40:15

do not can I look no anyways,

40:20

I got merch Yeah,

40:22

yeah, we went to the merch store after

40:25

the concert. It was way too busy before Yeah,

40:28

like if it looked like you wouldn't have seen the concert

40:30

if you see we realized we weren't gonna get

40:32

out of there before a

40:33

Lot of people so we stuck around took

40:36

a few pictures and went to the merch

40:38

booth I just

40:38

had a very small simply an illogical meetup

40:44

Well, man like the show okay the show

40:46

was three and a half hours she started at eight right

40:48

so it's like 11 30 ish

40:50

when she ends with karma and

40:53

Yeah, there's just 70,000 people

40:55

trying to leave a parking lot at the same time So

40:57

it's like let's just we were probably

41:00

the last people out because we just sort of let

41:02

the big rush get out of there But

41:04

like our lot is pretty empty. I

41:06

was pretty empty when we finally got there. It wasn't

41:08

until after midnight after midnight

41:12

Yeah, we got home like what one 130 the hotel

41:15

I mean, yeah Yeah, kind of a

41:17

lot. Can I talk about the sets

41:20

which I thought was so fun Oh, we're back to concert

41:22

review five people will care about But

41:24

I think it was so cool that there was little

41:27

sections of the stage That moved

41:29

up and down and I know this is nothing

41:31

new but like It's

41:34

not new I just like I really enjoyed

41:37

watching the mechanics of it and not

41:39

only did they like have robots basically

41:42

planning at what time? This particular

41:44

part of the stage would raise a lot lower or

41:46

like, you know They programmed

41:48

it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so they programmed it in some

41:51

software

41:52

A robot beneath the stage

41:55

Like this mechanical things activated by

41:57

software whatever you want to call that

41:59

seems good Yeah,

42:01

it does right? That's why like there's got

42:03

to be like safety supervisors and all this shit

42:06

on this stuff

42:06

At one point it lifted a platform for like

42:08

her and her Guitarists and

42:10

I noticed they gave her like a super wide one

42:13

the guitars like a bit of a skinnier tower Oh,

42:15

no, it's like oh, yeah, they really

42:17

don't want her to fall off. Yeah Yeah,

42:20

so the combination of that with stage

42:22

pieces and props also coming

42:25

out on stage

42:26

Paired with projection or

42:28

playing through the screen I don't know if it was

42:31

a projector or not if it was actually just like

42:33

LED through the screen but like you have

42:35

to coordinate the movement of physical

42:38

objects on the stage with the

42:40

Animations

42:43

or videography playing on the screen

42:45

so that they actually integrate really cool

42:48

Because like if the stage raised up

42:50

all of a sudden there's like a bunch of candles on

42:53

the screen That is the stage that

42:55

just moved up out of the main stage

42:57

You're right that and the background and

42:59

every time she came out of the big Background,

43:03

yeah, they would like open like a little door

43:05

for her There would still be things

43:07

around her

43:08

and behind her and beyond her that was

43:11

like reflecting properly Whatever they

43:13

wanted they programmed it to show and I just

43:15

thought so much of that was so Meticulous

43:19

that like, you know, there's like 87 people

43:21

working on literally just

43:23

when I said that when I said a hundred I

43:25

wouldn't

43:25

I'm pretty sure like it's probably a hundred

43:27

million dollars they spent on this tour. Yeah,

43:30

I would not surprise me at all

43:32

Now I'm sure they're if they're selling out

43:34

to seventy thousand tickets a night for

43:36

weeks

43:37

They'll make their money. But like yeah, you're right there.

43:39

This was an incredibly

43:41

Elaborate expensive complicated, you

43:44

know, they were not cheap tickets and

43:46

I don't just mean like being on the floor But

43:48

like I'll keep seeing tiktoks of people saying

43:50

they paid like $500 for

43:52

like this seat and they show their seat and it's

43:54

like Like

43:57

yeah, yeah, there's been a lot of criticism

43:59

about that I don't know if that's just about her

44:01

as much as it is like Ticketmaster or whatever

44:04

Yeah, I mean we don't have to get into the whole Ticketmaster thing

44:07

I think we talked about before but yeah, it is kind of sad

44:09

to know like uh

44:12

We probably spent like I think those tickets were like 800 or

44:14

something that we had

44:15

something like that

44:17

and i'm sure people were reselling tickets

44:19

like that for like

44:21

Five to ten times that much. It's

44:23

kind of I hate that that's always

44:25

gonna happen. So you can't really control

44:28

that There's somewhat it's not gonna

44:30

do a whole like ticketing scalping debate

44:32

I think there are some ways you could prevent that

44:34

but I think it's

44:35

like if you tie it to their identity And

44:37

like you can't resell them but then people will get upset.

44:39

What if they like legitimately can't go? Yeah, but

44:41

there's ways of just preventing they're not allowed

44:43

to sell it for more than x over

44:45

the ticket value Like there's things sell it wherever

44:47

you want on whatever market Yeah, you could sell it on the street

44:49

corner if you want to but i'm saying right

44:52

now the biggest issue is that Ticketmaster and StubHub Are

44:54

owned owned by the same company. There's a monopoly

44:56

you gotta get it Yeah,

44:57

yeah, I didn't mean to open that box Yes,

45:00

I yeah, I do think people just

45:03

generally the spirit of like what i'll see

45:05

in reviews is like people were just Annoyed

45:08

that it was overwhelmingly so expensive

45:10

but I was uh When

45:12

I was looking around Um

45:15

in hockey

45:16

I'm gonna give you an analogy here in

45:19

some cities like toronto It's really

45:21

expensive to go see hockey games So often

45:23

like you're watching a game on tv And

45:25

the seats are just full of guys in

45:28

suits who don't even look like they care

45:30

about what's happening It's just like this is the

45:32

business thing to do somewhere important to

45:34

be that

45:35

You know, this was like this. It's a status thing almost

45:38

In like the booths But not even

45:40

the booth just in like the lower bowl like the

45:42

better seats lower in the stadium And

45:45

you saw this at taylor swift. No, no i'm saying this

45:47

is what you see at some like sporting

45:49

events sometimes For

45:51

taylor swift even though those tickets were hugely

45:54

expensive, especially for resale

45:57

I wasn't seeing people there

45:59

who were just

45:59

like oh this is like the

46:02

the rich thing to see right now you

46:04

know what i mean the people there who clearly

46:06

were obviously famous C- in hockey i feel

46:08

like i'm totally making this up this is

46:11

just one of my fine things but i'm totally

46:13

making this up i feel like in hockey in the same

46:15

way that like rich business people

46:17

take people to like golf it's

46:19

just like something that men in suits

46:22

do and it's

46:24

like come to the hockey game with me and we'll discuss that

46:26

deal

46:26

you wouldn't do that at the tailor's show? like why would you ever do that

46:29

you can't hear anyone like you can't talk

46:31

it just doesn't make any sense i'm trying to close

46:33

an acquisition no between like

46:35

an oil company and like those

46:38

types

46:38

of people are not interested

46:41

in going to a tailor's of con and if they were

46:43

if they were using it as a bargaining chip and some kind of deal

46:45

they would give the tickets to their

46:47

their colleagues daughters yeah maybe

46:50

okay sure i think yeah

46:52

you do point out actually that's a good observation but

46:54

i guess i'm just saying as much as like i hate

46:57

the whole

46:58

sort of debacle around getting the tickets

47:00

and a lot of people couldn't get tickets at least

47:03

the people there from what we could see were overwhelmingly

47:06

like people who wanted bigger fans than

47:08

us we were probably the biggest posers there

47:15

99 of the people there knew like

47:17

the worst every single song

47:20

like she would give like one hint about what

47:22

the next song was and everyone knows like

47:24

they know the one two three

47:26

let's go bitch all

47:28

those all those little inside

47:30

jokes and things but this was the floor too

47:33

so like you would expect that the people

47:35

gunning for the floor when ordering tickets

47:38

that are the most expensive are going to be those

47:40

like diehard fans who want to be

47:41

the blisters yeah but sometimes diehard fans i guess

47:44

my point about the hockey thing is sometimes diehard fans

47:46

are priced out of better seats

47:48

and then the better seats end up with people who just

47:50

have money not necessarily good fans

47:53

and what i'm saying is that wasn't the case here yes

47:57

except we weren't diet

48:02

projecting Basically, that sounds like

48:04

what you do in there. Um, no,

48:06

we we had a good time and it was great

48:08

to go with some of the team And I think

48:10

they

48:10

had a good true swifty's So,

48:13

uh, yeah, I think it was good

48:16

Um, I have a question since you know more

48:18

about her I found it interesting in

48:20

the beginning of the concert how she was explaining

48:23

That a lot of her albums she

48:26

hadn't played before um on

48:28

tour because it had been like three years of

48:30

covet, right so she was like instead

48:33

of uh going on tour and what

48:35

she loves to do or that's what she said she She

48:38

just made a bunch of albums. And so now that she's

48:41

back on tour, she has so much to sing And

48:43

she called this the heiress tour because

48:45

it's basically

48:46

An era of this album than this album

48:49

than this album. And that's like the theme that's what's all

48:51

over her merch That's just the way she's packaging

48:53

it including albums from like before pandemic

48:55

Yeah, like taylor's version too like when

48:58

she made her version of her old music She's

49:00

yeah, she's rerecording her old catalog so

49:02

she can own the the masters, but she She

49:05

thematized this tour Basically

49:08

being about the fact that she has so many

49:10

albums and she called it the heiress tour

49:12

To be like this is a tour of all the eras we've

49:14

done What's going to be her next album

49:17

because she this is like a huge This is like

49:19

a bookend almost is what it sounds

49:21

like thematically

49:22

It's like what's the next one going to be like called rebirth

49:25

or something like that's the only thing I can think of reboot

49:28

That is an interesting question because

49:31

I think a lot of people saw midnight's

49:34

her most recent album as sort of

49:38

If if folklore and evermore were

49:41

sort of like her really doing

49:43

a different thing from like a songwriting Perspective

49:46

going a little more folky

49:48

Acoustic rather than the big pop

49:51

ballads.

49:52

I think a lot of people see midnight's as sort of

49:55

a synthesis of everything like

49:57

it's it's got the better maybe More

50:00

elevated songwriting, but it also pulls elements

50:02

from the more poppy synth elements

50:05

of her older music as well

50:08

So it's it's it's easy to see Midnights

50:10

as sort of a culmination of

50:13

a lot of what has come before So

50:15

it wouldn't shock me if she

50:17

just did another album that sounded pretty

50:20

similar to her most recent one

50:22

But then what's she gonna call that tour? That's

50:24

what I'm saying She did the air store which is like

50:26

look at all of my types of music and

50:29

now it's like what's the next tour called? It has

50:31

to be like the rebirth tour

50:33

Yeah, maybe she just goes in a completely different

50:36

artistic direction. I don't no

50:38

one knows the answer to this, right? And I think

50:40

it's just

50:41

She's probably just thinking about what's in front of her face

50:44

right now, right? She hasn't toured in a long time. You're

50:46

right like

50:47

It's like

50:50

You'd expect a band that's in like the twilight

50:52

of their career to do a tour. That's like He

50:55

is a retrospective of all our music right and

50:57

my point is it's different for someone to do it

50:59

when they're still

51:00

She's our age, right? She's what? I

51:04

don't know. It just born 1989 Think about

51:07

this because like when I think of like

51:09

our anniversary collections with holotaco,

51:12

no, let's make this about us No, but

51:14

like I I find it interesting

51:16

how she packaged the tour Yeah, because

51:18

it's like here's a list of everything we've done.

51:21

Do you want to do an era's collection? Well

51:23

the remix collection which we did a few years

51:25

back was kind of like here's all of our formulas

51:28

mixed together in a summary of the types of

51:30

formulas, but now just mix them

51:32

together. So it just makes me think of

51:34

like strategies of

51:36

how to do like the next thing when you've

51:38

done a here's all of our mixes of whatever

51:41

it just made me find that interesting

51:43

and a parallel and it made me think about what is

51:45

she gonna label or or Thematize

51:49

her next tour around after she comes out with

51:52

X many

51:52

albums Yeah, I don't know.

51:55

I I could again I could see it being very

51:57

much like she's arrived at a place where I

51:59

could see her sort of existing for a

52:01

while now with her most recent sound,

52:03

but it wouldn't shock me if like the next record was

52:05

like

52:06

very country music just because she

52:08

felt like sort of playing in that sandbox.

52:11

I think we'll turn to roots. And she has totally

52:13

the liberty of...

52:15

She has a fan base that will allow her

52:17

to be experimental at this point. I think that's

52:20

pretty obvious.

52:21

So I think people just want her to do what she finds

52:24

gratifying as an artist in

52:27

like a selfish sort of way. Yeah,

52:30

so maybe we'll hear some wild things

52:32

that we've never heard before. Maybe she'll do opera.

52:35

Or she's just like, I just want to do an opera album. Hopefully

52:37

not. That'd be pretty weird. But

52:41

she's not the... I shouldn't say this.

52:44

She's a great songwriter. You

52:46

know what? It's amazing about her. Like

52:48

I don't think it's like she's a

52:50

like the most gifted guitarist

52:53

and like her... there's other pop stars that are I

52:55

think clearly better singers than her. So

52:58

like

53:00

with her it's like sort of the whole package. I

53:02

think the songwriting is the best thing going

53:04

for her which explains her popularity. I

53:06

think she does a lot of storytelling. This is

53:08

more a little bit more of an outsider view from

53:11

what I observe in media and how

53:13

people talk about her. She tells a lot

53:15

of stories through and not only

53:18

in her songs, but around her songs so

53:20

that people get pulled in.

53:21

You're right. People really embrace what sort

53:24

of exists outside the text. But

53:26

I think even if you get rid of all that noise, she

53:28

is just an excellent songwriter.

53:31

And I think at the end of the day, that's especially

53:34

for pop music. That matters

53:36

more about like you don't

53:38

need to have the vocal chops of Ariana

53:40

Grande or you know

53:42

be able to play the guitar like... I

53:45

don't know. Someone else.

53:50

Right? Yeah, but like yeah at the end of the

53:52

day, it's their songwriting. So

53:55

yeah, I don't know where she'll going.

53:57

Just as long as the songwriting is still what

53:59

is.

54:01

sort of leading her

54:02

artistic direction i think she's in a good

54:05

spot

54:06

Cristine cool yeah i'm interested to see what

54:08

she does next but i feel like she has time

54:11

so we're gonna see bonnie vera on tour though if

54:14

they're coming to canada what if they're

54:16

coming to new jersey in

54:19

the metlife do you do they do concerts that

54:21

big no or no what if they go

54:23

to martha's vineyard in the fall what's martha's

54:26

vineyard martha stewart opens up her backyard

54:28

and for concerts she does no

54:31

i used i used to think that's

54:33

what martha's vineyard was

54:35

is it like a wine shop it's a place

54:37

in rote island where a lot of rich people live

54:40

oh but i used to think it was like oh it's

54:43

martha stewart's

54:44

little uh village

54:46

compound why is it called martha's vineyard i don't know

54:49

it's confusing is it in it's where

54:51

is it and it's not near nyagra is it nyagra

54:54

is where they have all like the wineries and the vineyards

54:56

oh no it's it's uh

54:58

like uh your boss

55:01

the coast near boston i

55:03

think just ignore this segment

55:05

like what are these canadians saying so

55:08

you want to see uh bonnie vera and martha stewart's

55:10

backyard i don't know what you're saying and

55:12

i don't believe anything you're saying what did you not understand about

55:14

that that's probably not real like but

55:16

would you want to do it if she was if martha

55:19

invited me martha stewart's calling you up hey

55:22

bonnie vera's playing in the backyard 22 a million you

55:25

want to come i also got some coming people

55:27

i also have some stock tips for you i

55:30

got some i got some insider

55:33

information okay well

55:35

snoop dog's gonna be there

55:36

i want to know who else went to the taylor

55:38

swift concert so if you guys

55:40

want to share your own stories comment

55:42

down below or if otherwise you're just a huge

55:44

swifty and you have things to say about

55:46

things to say yeah about our you

55:49

know our experience your experience

55:52

whatever it is i want to hear

55:53

it yes all

55:56

right everyone hope you had a fantastic

55:59

taco Thanks so much for watching.

56:01

We'll see you all later. Bye!