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1:25

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1:27

the main event, there was

1:29

this other speaker. And honestly,

1:31

when I heard what she

1:34

had to say, I really wanted to

1:36

bring her on the show. Her name

1:38

is Sarah Nelson. Sarah

1:49

is a flight attendant,

1:51

the head of the

1:53

flight attendant's union. And

1:55

the first thing that

1:57

caught my attention was

1:59

that she treated this

2:01

rally. sort of like a

2:03

training session. So, Montana,

2:05

turn to the people around

2:08

you, commit to call or

2:10

text each other, say,

2:12

hey, there's a Tesla picket.

2:15

Let's meet up there.

2:17

Then, Sarah did something else.

2:19

You don't need certification

2:21

or union. For

2:40

a union boss, these are fighting

2:42

words. And I don't know about

2:44

you, but I'm not sure I

2:46

expected a flight attendant to sound

2:48

almost radical. But then I got

2:50

Sarah on the line. When I'm

2:53

standing there at those rallies, I

2:55

am saying, come join our union.

2:57

What I mean by that is

2:59

one big damn union where the

3:01

working class understands what side we're

3:03

on. Sarah

3:09

knows that the group of workers

3:12

she represents is small, but she

3:14

thinks their cause is big. The

3:16

reason that our pensions were terminated,

3:19

the reason that our pay was

3:21

attacked, the reason that the eight-hour

3:24

day that we negotiated in 1946

3:26

went away in the United Airlines

3:28

Bankruptcy in 2003, is because this

3:31

has already happened in other industries.

3:33

And so if we're not out...

3:36

you know, spending at least 5%

3:38

of our time supporting other workers,

3:40

we are going to go down

3:43

the drain with everyone else. If

3:45

you're a regular listener, you know

3:47

that a couple months back, I

3:50

laid out my own case for

3:52

a strike, sort of like the

3:54

one Sarah's describing. The thing is,

3:56

I just don't hear other union

3:59

bosses using this. language so freely,

4:01

it almost seems like they're scared.

4:03

So I wanted to know what

4:05

made Sarah different. I have so

4:08

much to say about this. So

4:10

it's concerning that labor is not

4:12

the first thing out of everyone's

4:14

mouths. I mean, this is, if

4:17

you look at any resistance to

4:19

a fascist movement, it is a

4:21

labor movement that organizes it. And

4:23

is that happening now? We're just

4:25

not big enough and we're not

4:28

acting urgently enough. Today

4:32

on the show, we're going

4:34

to talk about Sarah Nelson's

4:36

wild idea. The case for

4:39

a general strike. I'm Mary

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how Sarah Nelson got to be Sarah

6:33

Nelson. She first got a job as

6:35

a flight attendant back in 1996. I

6:37

became a flight attendant because my friend

6:40

called me from Miami Beach and first

6:42

of all talked about being on the

6:44

beach while I was freezing in St.

6:46

Louis working for jobs. And then she

6:49

described the flight attendant contract and she

6:51

did not put it in those terms.

6:53

She didn't talk about the union, she

6:55

didn't say it was a contract, but

6:58

she talked about the pay, she talked

7:00

about the health care that was actually

7:02

negotiated for women because it was women

7:04

at the table negotiating it. So she

7:07

was like, this is a good job.

7:09

Yeah, and she's like, and there's flexibility

7:11

and there's also a pension. And you

7:13

can take the pension at age 50.

7:16

And I was like, whoa, our moms

7:18

are age 50 and they're super energetic

7:20

and they're still like, you know, I

7:22

could have a whole of their life,

7:25

I could go do this. And I

7:27

learned later that it was that union

7:29

contract that had been negotiated since 1946,

7:31

that's what really attracted me to the

7:34

job. And I got involved in the

7:36

union because the company screwed up. They

7:38

failed to pay me my first paycheck

7:40

and it was a flying partner who

7:43

wrote me a check to get me

7:45

through and directed me to the union.

7:47

And then you were hooked? I was

7:49

hooked. I was hooked. I was also

7:52

hooked on the first day when these

7:54

two 35-year flight attendants, they had an

7:56

argument in the office with the supervisor

7:58

about how they were going to work

8:01

the trip. They won. They knew their

8:03

contract well. They were also very sure

8:05

of themselves. And then one of them

8:07

realized maybe that was a lot for

8:10

somebody on their first day. So she

8:12

pulled me aside, meaning to comfort me.

8:14

And she had this really raspy voice

8:16

because we had just gotten smoking out

8:19

of our workplace. I mean, our little

8:21

union beat big tobacco. But she had

8:23

done her entire career taking in that

8:25

secondhand smoke. And she said, listen, management

8:28

thinks of us as their wives or

8:30

their mistresses. And in either place, they

8:32

hold us in contempt. And I'm like,

8:34

whoa. She was giving it to you,

8:37

huh? Yeah, I'm like, I don't know

8:39

about this. But then the next thing

8:41

she said really resonated with me. She

8:43

said, your only place of worth is

8:46

with your fellow flying partners. And if

8:48

we stick together, there's nothing we can't

8:50

accomplish. Wow. You became a national figure

8:52

in January 2019. At the time, the

8:55

federal government was shut down after President

8:57

Trump refused to sign a congressional spending

8:59

bill. Lots of people were at work,

9:01

lots of federal workers. and it impacted

9:04

air travel. TSA agents, air traffic controllers

9:06

were working without pay. And eventually you

9:08

made a direct appeal for a general

9:10

strike back in 2019. Absolutely. And so

9:13

as the government shutdown was going on,

9:15

we had transportation security officers who were

9:17

sleeping in their cars, not because they

9:19

didn't have a home to go home

9:22

to, but they were not getting a

9:24

paycheck and they didn't even have enough

9:26

money to put a tank of gas

9:28

in their car. And what I realized

9:31

in that moment when that government shutdown

9:33

had gone on for twice as long

9:35

as any other government shutdown in history,

9:37

all of them are bad. because it

9:40

stops everything from working. There's people who

9:42

are forced to come to work without

9:44

pay. It's ridiculous. Where do we do

9:46

that anywhere else? And in safety, the

9:49

first thing we learn is remove all

9:51

distractions. Well, what could be more distracting

9:53

for an air traffic controller who has

9:55

to retire at age 56. It's such

9:58

a stressful job. And then they don't

10:00

know if they're going to be able

10:02

to make the mortgage payment. Like that

10:04

became very clear. distract and demoralize. and

10:07

all of those things were at play

10:09

in this moment. Well, and eventually 10

10:11

air traffic controllers didn't show up to

10:13

work, and just these 10 people calling

10:16

out led LaGuardia Airport to shut down.

10:18

That's right, but we had also already

10:20

said... that we were preparing to strike

10:22

and that the entire labor movement should

10:25

talk about a general strike. So we

10:27

were defining this as worker power. We

10:29

were taking it away from politics, putting

10:31

it in the hands of workers. And

10:34

then when only 10 air traffic controllers

10:36

said that they could no longer safely

10:38

do their jobs, we said Mitch McConnell,

10:40

can you hear us now? And we

10:43

had already defined what this meant. And

10:45

the reason... that the government opened that

10:47

day when it couldn't, by the way,

10:49

with the same solution that they had

10:52

not been able to vote on for

10:54

35 days, all of a sudden they

10:56

approved it within a couple of hours,

10:58

is because workers were taking control and

11:01

if workers got a taste of our

11:03

power, we were gonna upend everything and

11:05

set the agenda for our country and

11:07

finally put it in our hands and

11:10

out of the hands of Wall Street

11:12

and the capitalists. So that is why

11:14

that shutdown ended. I think things are

11:16

so much more complicated. Now, like everyone

11:19

knows that the Trump administration has been

11:21

trying to fire a ton of federal

11:23

workers. My listeners might not have clocked

11:25

the fact that the Trump administration is

11:28

trying to cancel the collective bargaining agreements

11:30

with federal employees. And it started with

11:32

the TSA, and then it spread a

11:34

couple of weeks later with the administration

11:37

threatening collective bargaining rights of almost every

11:39

federal employee saying it's a national security

11:41

threat. And when you don't have those

11:43

rights, It seems like it just drains

11:46

the life force of a union. And

11:48

federal workers already cannot strike, because if

11:50

they strike, they can be fired. They

11:53

could also never be rehired by the

11:55

federal government. Like there's a lot of

11:57

risk to striking. Well, not to mention

11:59

the fact that you have to look

12:02

at what the boss is trying to

12:04

do. And what the boss is trying

12:06

to do is to get people. block

12:08

off the job. Yeah, exactly. It just

12:11

seems like this finger trap for workers,

12:13

right, where it's like the natural response

12:15

would be we will strike because there's

12:17

an existential threat to our contract and

12:20

our union. However, not only can we

12:22

not strike, but also the boss wants

12:24

me to leave and not be able

12:26

to be rehired. We failed in 1981

12:29

to stand with the air traffic controllers

12:31

and what that meant was a 40-year

12:33

decline of union membership. It meant attacking

12:35

a union's power, the right to strike.

12:38

We should just remind people about what

12:40

happened in 1981. Like, you know, the

12:42

air traffic controllers struck and Roderagan fired

12:44

11,000 of them. fired them, said you

12:47

can never work in the federal government

12:49

again. That was lifted later by Clinton,

12:51

but people had aged out of the

12:53

job for the most part. And others

12:56

went to jail. This was serious. And

12:58

it sent a message to all of

13:00

corporate America that the strike is a

13:02

dirty word. It's open season on unions.

13:05

And we all felt the effects of

13:07

that by failing to understand that that

13:09

was our moment to stand with the

13:11

air traffic controllers. You know, other unions

13:14

said, well, they endorsed Reagan, so screw

13:16

them. Not understanding that this was going

13:18

to screw us for the next 40,

13:20

50 years and put us frankly in

13:23

the position that we're in today. And

13:25

so now when you look at what

13:27

Trump is doing to cancel the TSA

13:29

contract, I mean, they did that. hoping

13:32

that people wouldn't care because in general

13:34

people don't like going through TSA, but

13:36

the rest of the labor movement should

13:38

understand. This is the biggest attack in

13:41

history until he did it for another

13:43

700,000 federal workers in different agencies saying

13:45

that they don't have the right to

13:47

collective bargaining because they're security sensitive, but

13:50

exempting CBP, border patrol. Yeah, exactly. They

13:52

don't have anything to do with security,

13:54

but somebody in the education department does,

13:56

right? I mean, it's the most. absurd

13:59

ridiculous argument. But what's more important here

14:01

is that they're doing it. They're saying

14:03

to the rest. of corporate America rip

14:05

up union contracts. This is the biggest

14:08

attack in history on the labor movement.

14:10

What we should already be doing is

14:12

we should already be striking. There should

14:14

already be a consciousness. And we're not

14:17

there, OK? So we're going to have

14:19

to build to that, and we have

14:21

to talk about it. And we can't

14:23

be afraid to say it. You know,

14:26

I have been in union circles where

14:28

people have said, don't say the S

14:30

word, the S word. You say something

14:32

like that when you're like referring to

14:35

something as a swear word or a

14:37

bad word. Say strike, strike, strike, strike,

14:39

strike, strike, strike, strike, it feels good.

14:41

Feel the power for workers, my God.

14:44

But it also is scary. Workers are

14:46

feeling really vulnerable right now. Like I

14:48

took a flight to New Orleans and

14:50

I asked my TSA. started crying right

14:53

in front of me, and then she

14:55

started talking about her son, the flight

14:57

attendant, and clearly they're all in this

14:59

fragile moment. And so it's like you're

15:02

really moving workers from that to something

15:04

different, when really they would be taking

15:06

a risk by striking. Sometimes there's nothing

15:08

left to do but fight. And Mother

15:11

Jones, Mary Harris. This is my namesake.

15:13

Not really. My parents did not know,

15:15

but yes, Mother Jones was named Mary

15:17

Harris. She's one of the most famous

15:20

labor organizers of all time. And in

15:22

1914, after the Ludlow Massacre, this is

15:24

striking minors who were in a tent

15:26

city striking against the Colbertans, just trying

15:29

to enforce the law. I mean, they

15:31

were taking advantage of immigrants. There were

15:33

28 different languages spoken in this tent

15:35

city. The coal barons had hired people

15:38

so that they couldn't speak to each

15:40

other. They were wholly focused on union

15:42

busting. You had to, you know, live

15:44

in the company house, see the company

15:47

doctor. The company had total control over

15:49

you. And they're striking. And then the

15:51

Colorado National Guard is called out. There's

15:53

fire into the tent city. Set them

15:56

a fire. They killed 28 women and

15:58

children and other minors. You're not making

16:00

this sound appealing to me. Sarah. But

16:02

Mother Jones came there and she said,

16:05

sure you last, because any time you're

16:07

up against bayonuts and you hold the

16:09

Constitution, the bayonuts win every time. But

16:11

you will fight and win, fight and

16:14

lose, but you must fight. Non-violently, just

16:16

putting our hands in our pockets stops

16:18

everything. And if people wake up to

16:20

that power, there are moments here that

16:23

are going to come where if we're

16:25

talking about this and we're helping people

16:27

understand that they can do something about

16:29

it, if you take a look at

16:32

what happened in South Korea when martial

16:34

law was declared and the unions led

16:36

a general strike there and everyone got

16:38

in the street, they stopped all of

16:41

that and they got rid of that

16:43

dictator. And it took a couple of

16:45

tries. Yes, that's why Mother Jones said

16:47

you will fight and lose, fight and

16:50

win, but you must fight. Every single

16:52

time you fight, you exercise that muscle

16:54

and you learn something from the fight.

16:56

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was struck as I read how

18:53

your members are connected to all

18:55

kinds of things that are happening

18:57

at the federal level right now.

18:59

Like, I'm wondering if you can

19:01

tell one of those stories to

19:03

my listeners. Like, for instance, my

19:05

listeners will be familiar with the

19:07

fact that the Trump administration is

19:09

deporting people. And one thing I

19:11

didn't realize until I was preparing

19:13

for this interview is how people

19:15

being taken out of the country

19:17

are on chartered planes. And there's

19:19

a budget airline of Ello. which

19:22

announced it had signed a contract

19:24

with the Department of Homeland Security.

19:26

Little hitch here, their flight attendants

19:28

are represented by you. So how

19:30

do you use a moment like

19:32

that to kind of build union

19:34

power right now? First of all,

19:36

all workers, okay, so I can

19:38

talk about the people that I

19:40

directly represent, but this this applies

19:42

anywhere. The building trades are waking

19:44

up to the evils of this

19:46

mass deportation policy because their member

19:48

Kilmar has been deported to El

19:50

Salvador. Mistakenly, the Supreme Court has

19:52

said he needs to come back

19:54

and the Trump administration is denying

19:56

that. This is Kilmar, Abrego Garcia.

19:58

Yes, the building trades that have

20:00

been traditionally sort of conservative and

20:02

also think that they can have

20:04

access and just sort of ride

20:06

out times that maybe you're not

20:08

as good for them, but they

20:10

can they can make the best

20:12

of it. See that everything is

20:14

under attack. That's not going to

20:16

work this time. And they're, they're

20:18

starting to speak in more militant

20:20

terms. Yeah, I was struck by

20:22

the fact that a joint statement

20:24

came out linking Kilmar Obrago Garcia,

20:26

who was working in the building

20:28

trades with graduate students who had

20:30

been deported. And it was two

20:32

or three unions, I think, releasing

20:34

a new thing. This is important.

20:36

It's linking people across class. It's

20:38

linking people across circumstances and across

20:40

unions. You know. Union members, they

20:42

can't improve their own conditions without

20:45

standing with the other people that

20:47

they work with. So there's an

20:49

automatic connection right there. In 2019,

20:51

we had a member who we

20:53

became aware had been detained by

20:55

CBP, sent to an ICE, it

20:57

was a private prison that she

20:59

was sent to for six weeks,

21:01

and all of the sudden... all

21:03

of our members who had been

21:05

sort of thinking that the immigration

21:07

policy was something that they wanted

21:09

or needed or were following Trump

21:11

suddenly saw the detainment of this

21:13

AFA member in themselves and they

21:15

could relate to it and it

21:17

broke through and we were able

21:19

to get her out. So are

21:21

you looking for those moments now?

21:23

Yeah, absolutely. I mean, we have

21:25

to have people be connected to

21:27

what's going on. And that's why

21:29

you're seeing, you know, people who

21:31

seem to come from central casting

21:33

of a Trump rally standing up

21:35

and yelling at their members of

21:37

Congress and saying, what the hell

21:39

are you doing? And why are

21:41

you not fighting for me? You're

21:43

attacking me. I fought for this

21:45

country, damn it. And your flight

21:47

attendants who are on these deportation

21:49

flights. I imagine they're seeing. Well,

21:51

we're not saying that yet. So

21:53

those flights haven't started yet for

21:55

a villo. This has happened. at

21:57

other non-union carrier, we are saying

21:59

to Avelo, you're going to hurt

22:01

the airline, which is going to

22:03

hurt our members' jobs too, by

22:05

the way, and you're going to

22:07

hurt the country. You are going

22:10

to be known as the deportation

22:12

airline. And that's what we're saying

22:14

to them right now. But we

22:16

are going to do a lot

22:18

more organizing around this. There's 67%

22:20

of the flight attendants that Avelo

22:22

who have said they will not

22:24

work this flight. They do not

22:26

want to work these flights. When

22:29

I think about the problem of

22:31

a general strike right now, what

22:33

I think about is the ask

22:35

unions would make or even the

22:37

general public because if you're involving

22:39

lots of different people, people who

22:41

are not organized in a union,

22:43

the ask at the end of

22:45

the day is an open question

22:47

and that seems to me to

22:49

pose a problem for someone like

22:51

you. Like there's no shut down

22:53

to end in this moment in

22:55

this moment in this moment. So

22:58

what's your ask? Yeah, so in

23:00

2019, it was very clear that

23:02

it was one demand, open the

23:04

government, right? But more and more

23:06

people are getting affected by this.

23:08

And I mean, I think that

23:10

the demands are pretty darn clear

23:12

here, right? Reinstate all collective bargaining

23:14

agreements, reinstate people to their jobs,

23:16

stop with the illegal deportation and

23:18

denial of due process, and also

23:20

We're in this place because people

23:22

don't have homes. So let's let's

23:24

enact the economic bill of rights

23:27

that FDR put forward 80 years

23:29

ago It's really simple a job

23:31

with a living wage a decent

23:33

home health care Protection against any

23:35

disability or unemployment or old age

23:37

and an education I mean those

23:39

are the demands and it's really

23:41

really simple and this is what

23:43

people want Simple, but it sounds

23:45

like turning the American government inside

23:47

out. Well, yeah, but I mean,

23:49

I think that we're already winning

23:51

on getting Elon Musk. out of

23:53

government. The takedown Tesla actions are

23:56

having an impact. He is saying,

23:58

I'm going to step away and

24:00

focus on my companies. Now, Doge

24:02

is still running. They've still got

24:04

people in these different agencies. They're

24:06

still working the project 2025 plan.

24:08

But that's a win for working

24:10

people who went out and fought.

24:12

That's a win for the protesters.

24:14

People are getting their first taste

24:16

of those wins. And we also

24:18

have members of Congress who are

24:20

suddenly saying, you know what, these

24:22

big rallies that are happening. People

24:25

in my district are waking up

24:27

to what we're voting for and

24:29

I don't think I can vote

24:31

to get rid of Medicaid anymore

24:33

There's all kinds of problems here

24:35

and we can build upon that

24:37

to help to continue to define

24:39

the problem Which brings more and

24:41

more people out gets more and

24:43

more people mad and you start

24:45

building towards those demands and the

24:47

demands are built really clearly when

24:49

you're defining all the problems that

24:51

exist How will you know we're

24:54

ready to hit the streets? Oh

24:56

So we run our strikes as

24:58

chaos strikes. Okay, what is a

25:00

chaos strike? It's an acronym, create

25:02

havoc around our system, and it

25:04

was developed in response to Carl

25:06

Icon firing all of the TWA

25:08

strikers in the late 80s. And

25:10

we knew that we had to

25:12

have another strategy with our strikes.

25:14

We couldn't just do a traditional

25:16

strike. They knew how to break

25:18

a flight attendant strike. They could

25:20

replace people. And so... We created

25:23

chaos strikes because in the Railway

25:25

Labor Act, we actually have the

25:27

ability to do intermittent strikes. And

25:29

so what we added to it

25:31

was an element of surprise. And

25:33

we said, we're not going to

25:35

tell you when or where we're

25:37

going to strike. We could strike

25:39

anywhere at any time. And at

25:41

Alaska Airlines, we ended up only

25:43

striking seven flights. And we brought

25:45

the airline to their knees. And

25:47

a contract that gave most of

25:49

the flight attendants a 60% raise.

25:52

So you're not going to tell

25:54

me when you'll know. I'm not.

25:56

It's a secret plan. And listen,

25:58

we're talking about this already, but

26:00

the element of surprise. The whole

26:02

idea here is that working people

26:04

are taking control and setting the

26:06

agenda. And so we're not going

26:08

to say when or where or

26:10

what that exact moment is going

26:12

to be, but we're planning for

26:14

it and talking about it and

26:16

we're going to we're going to

26:18

strike at the right time. May

26:21

1st is coming up, International Workers

26:23

Day. Yeah, I mean, listen. There

26:25

has to be a consciousness and

26:27

there has to be a clear

26:29

demand. And those demands are going

26:31

to be defined very clearly by

26:33

what's happening with this administration, but

26:35

also by working people and unions

26:37

talking about that. I was at

26:39

a secret meeting yesterday about this,

26:41

talking about what those demands need

26:43

to be. In other countries, like

26:45

I said, it has been labor

26:47

that has been the central force

26:50

pushing this forward. If you look

26:52

around and you look at history

26:54

and you look at what has

26:56

happened around the world, it has

26:58

to come from the labor movement.

27:00

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27:02

time. Thanks for coming on the

27:04

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27:06

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27:16

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27:18

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