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whoa, hi, hey, what are you doing?

1:31

Are you busy right now? Because

1:33

I'd love to do a podcast.

1:35

Oh, are you free? Let's call

1:37

Will really quick. I think it'll

1:39

be better with three. Will? Hello.

1:41

You've reached the messaging of Will.

1:43

Oh, damn it. Gosh, we missed

1:45

them. Feel free to start

1:47

an all-new smartless. I've

2:05

been thinking about going, not changing, it's

2:08

not really changing my name, but I'm

2:10

thinking about just going with just will,

2:12

like share. The words just will, just

2:15

and will. Just will. Yeah, but just

2:17

will would be clearer. It's too close

2:19

to just Jack from that show. I'm

2:21

not familiar. Me neither there. I don't

2:24

know what this show but so so

2:26

nobody and nobody's got nobody picked will

2:28

yet just the will like you know

2:30

you know how like Brazilian soccer players

2:33

just go with like Pepe or whatever

2:35

on the back of there. So I

2:37

just want to do that. You know

2:40

what took me? Yeah, Sean, you don't

2:42

know what the hell he said. No,

2:44

I don't. But you know, it took

2:46

me forever to realize. Remember that? Oh,

2:49

hang on. Can I have a crack

2:51

at this? Because the list is long.

2:53

That the world might not be flat.

2:55

No. That the world might not be

2:58

flat. No. That will, will period, I

3:00

period. William. When you say you didn't

3:02

realize, how is that possible? Well, nothing's

3:05

gonna beat Beatles, right? No, that was

3:07

a big shock to know. Lots of

3:09

people are on my side, guys. Lots

3:11

of people are on my side. I

3:14

think Will, Will A.M. beats Beatles. Will,

3:16

I like that the hair is still

3:18

growing. You've got a real Carol Brady

3:21

kick out on the back. I love

3:23

it. Are you going to, what are

3:25

we going to do with it? Have

3:27

you, have you settled on what the

3:30

looks going to be for the big

3:32

film? No, I mean, I think you're

3:34

kind of looking at it. Am I

3:36

looking at it? Are you going to

3:39

put gel in it? Well, it's going

3:41

to be all over the place and

3:43

it's going to be, you know. Yeah.

3:46

This is going to be what it

3:48

is, man. You know, I'm kind of

3:50

free-willing. You're free-willing. Free-willing. Free-willing. Did you

3:52

guys know anything about me? You're talking

3:55

to will simply just... Well, yeah, he's

3:57

really easy going and free wheeling, free

3:59

free. You know, Scotty and I said

4:01

to Jay, we missed you last week.

4:04

Well, I know, I know, how was

4:06

it? It's fine. It was really small.

4:08

There was, yeah, good last. It was

4:11

plenty of oxygen for everyone with you

4:13

not there. Wow. This guy. Like our

4:15

audience will agree. No, we did. Now

4:17

you were still in town or you

4:20

had just left Sunday. I left, Sunday

4:22

night. Yeah. Yeah. And now you're in

4:24

New York and you're there for the

4:26

hall, for the long hall. You're not

4:29

going to come back. I'm going to

4:31

come back in a couple weeks for

4:33

a weekend. Yeah. Grab your toiletries. Grab

4:36

a few misplaced. Some sundries. And then,

4:38

yeah, no, no, go back and see

4:40

the kids and then they're going to

4:42

come out here. It's going to be

4:45

great. So you got the whisper booth

4:47

all set up, don't you? Yeah, got

4:49

it all set up. You're leaving, you're

4:52

leaving, you're leaving soon. You're leaving, you're

4:54

leaving soon. I'm leaving in three weeks,

4:56

I think. Yeah, I gotta start doing

4:58

some homework, God damn it. I've really

5:01

been putting it off. I'm like that

5:03

though, I just kick it all down

5:05

the road and then I cram. Yeah,

5:07

well, I'm just like rereading and rereading

5:10

the scripts and like, I gotta figure

5:12

out my look. You know, I'm playing

5:14

this St. Louis Weatherman and I think

5:17

you got it. I think you got

5:19

it too. Yeah. No, hey, don't be

5:21

your default. No, I've got a, I

5:23

don't think it's like outside today. Like

5:26

it's going to be a mustache and

5:28

maybe parting the hair, but I need

5:30

some glasses, but I don't want to

5:32

get too anchorman with it, you know?

5:35

Sure. Yeah, yeah, you don't want it

5:37

to be a cartoonic caricature. You know,

5:39

the other thing, J. B, if you

5:42

do happen to. Guys, that's my ride.

5:44

If you do happen to, by the

5:46

way, our guest is in Times Square.

5:48

I'm so excited for this. Just be

5:51

selling pretzels live. Jamie, I will say

5:53

this and we can get your guest,

5:55

but if you do go the parted,

5:58

I'm excited if you go parted because

6:00

it'll mean. you're finally put like a

6:02

comb or a brush in your hair?

6:04

That's exciting for everybody. I might actually

6:07

blow dry it too. It looks so

6:09

terrible. It's going to be gigantic. It's

6:11

going to be like that. We don't

6:13

want to tell you Willie that I

6:16

said to Jay on Sunday, we got

6:18

a turntable Scotty knife for Christmas, you

6:20

know? Two turntables and a microphone. Did

6:23

you? Did I tell you? I got

6:25

a stack of wax here that I'm

6:27

just looking to put on somewhere. No,

6:29

seriously, it's so fun. We put it

6:32

on at night and we just listened

6:34

to like soundtracks or whatever. Like I

6:36

haven't listened to vinyl since I was

6:38

a... Can you imagine Sean and Scotty

6:41

putting on a record? there just like

6:43

they don't care. They're not saying they're

6:45

going like, this is the part. Remember

6:48

when Elliot gets on his bike? And

6:50

he puts him in the basket. Do

6:52

a dance for that. Totally. And he's

6:54

in the closet and he puts his

6:57

finger out and he says, he won't

6:59

go home. Do you remember that? All

7:01

right, today, today, we've got a guest.

7:04

It was just starting to get a

7:06

little momentum in show business. We're excited

7:08

to have her here at the beginning.

7:10

So far, she's off to a good

7:13

start though with the singing stuff. She's

7:15

sold over 90 million records. She's got

7:17

50 billion streams and she's got a

7:19

couple of Grammys. What are you talking

7:22

about? Yeah, with the acting, latest films

7:24

just gone past 700 mil. She happens

7:26

to be the seventh most followed person

7:29

on Instagram with 700 or sorry 376

7:31

million followers and she's got a cosmetic

7:33

line and fragrance line that's earned just

7:35

over a billion. Wait a minute. Well,

7:38

so she got a little bit of

7:40

wind at her back now, she stopped

7:42

him. Bye for a little advice and

7:44

encouragement from us geniuses before she officially

7:47

gets out there, gives it a go.

7:49

Please give incredible hello to the incredible

7:51

Ariana Grande. Come on out! Very silly.

7:54

Hi guys! Hi Ariana! Oh my gosh,

7:56

this is exciting. I'm so happy to

7:58

be here with you guys. I know.

8:00

Happy you said yes. Wait, where are

8:03

you Ariana? New York? Big get, Jamie,

8:05

what did you do? What's the largest

8:07

of you? Very expensive guest right here,

8:10

guys. So use your time. Stop, I

8:12

love you all so much and I

8:14

love the show so much. I haven't

8:16

been so happy to be here. You're

8:19

very nice to say that. Even for

8:21

a podcast, you look gorgeous. I mean,

8:23

even just for showing up. Yeah, we

8:25

didn't have this. Yeah, look at us.

8:28

Oh nice. How are you? How is

8:30

everyone? How are you guys? Everyone is

8:32

good. We're all right. We're really good.

8:35

How are you is more to the

8:37

point? My gosh, you got so much

8:39

going on. How are you? Yeah. I'm

8:41

good. I'm currently in London and I

8:44

just got here so I'm just, yeah,

8:46

adjusting to the time. Yeah, the jet

8:48

lag is no good. No, it's like,

8:50

it's fine. You know, you get to

8:53

a point where you're just kind of

8:55

like... Whatever. Whatever needs to be. We'll

8:57

be. I feel like it's worse coming

9:00

back, right? It's worse coming back to

9:02

the state. No, no, from LA to

9:04

London or anywhere in Europe is the

9:06

worst on the planet, I think. And

9:09

then coming back is really fun because

9:11

you're in a morning person for a

9:13

while. Yeah, right. Right. Right. Right. But

9:15

let's start there. So like you're okay

9:18

with the amount of... Things you take

9:20

on and the way you fill your

9:22

day, I mean, or I mean, I

9:25

guess I should put that in the

9:27

form of a question. Are you okay

9:29

with it? How much how much time

9:31

do you sort of allocate to just

9:34

hanging out? I mean, I feel really

9:36

grateful for the balance that I have

9:38

found. I mean, this whole wicked journey

9:41

has been quite different for me. And

9:43

it's been obviously full steam ahead, but

9:45

it's been so beautiful and so fun.

9:47

I really feel like maybe when I

9:50

was younger and it was like sort

9:52

of during my first few years as

9:54

a pop star, I really struggled with

9:56

boundaries and not being able to say

9:59

no when I needed to because if

10:01

I was like running on empty. But

10:03

I really do feel like I've been

10:06

able to find a. balance and also

10:08

like a team who's really protective and

10:10

amazing. And I love it. I really

10:12

feel like I've thoroughly been able to

10:15

enjoy this wicked insanity. I feel so

10:17

present and grateful and that's been so

10:19

beautiful. Well, Sean, you had a tough

10:21

time with Banners when you first were

10:24

introduced to, right, to Oreos. Like you.

10:26

I still do. I have to count

10:28

them locked away. There's a lock on

10:31

the door. There's a lock on the

10:33

door. So dumb. So dumb. So dumb.

10:35

Oh, there's lots of dumb. Oh, wait

10:37

a again. Where do we get? What

10:40

if this was your press junket for

10:42

this sequel to Wicked? right now. You

10:44

started now. I love it. I've it.

10:47

Where does it end? Where does one

10:49

end? You'd be like, why is it

10:51

so low rent? Why? We love, by

10:53

the way, we love Wicca, we love

10:56

the Great North Platte. He's a friend,

10:58

a long time friend. Love Mark, and

11:00

all the people involved with it. And

11:02

you guys did an amazing job. Credible.

11:05

Cheers, real cheers in my eyes. And

11:07

you've already shot the second one, right?

11:09

Really? Yeah. And it comes out maybe

11:12

like this time next year? I have

11:14

seen it. Yes, the same time next

11:16

year is on November 22nd, but next

11:18

year. I have seen it and it's

11:21

not good. Ariana, you're barely even in

11:23

it. All your stuff can be shot.

11:25

I don't want you to worry about

11:27

it. Okay, we got it. Thank you

11:30

for having my back. So then you're

11:32

set to start that junk it like

11:34

in a few months. I mean, I

11:37

suppose so. I think maybe there will

11:39

be a little bit of space in

11:41

the summer. let it breathe for a

11:43

second, but it's very exciting. I mean,

11:46

the response has just been so. insanely

11:48

not what you expect or ever would

11:50

I know could you imagine if it

11:53

was just a big turd and you

11:55

got the second one already ready to

11:57

go and you just knew you had

11:59

like God forbid but you never know

12:02

you never know I've done that you

12:04

never know I've done that I'm sure

12:06

we all have right I've done that

12:08

I'm sure we all have all right

12:11

we've got to talk about something that

12:13

just didn't work wait so Ariana the

12:15

last time I saw you was hair

12:18

spray live yes and we would share

12:20

a So the last time we saw

12:22

each other, and in that series, try

12:24

not to slur your way through your

12:27

words, was where? Hair spray live on

12:29

NBC. Hair spray live. Okay. Yes. And

12:31

we were, you were sharing a single

12:33

trailer or we were in a double

12:36

banger? No, the hair makeup. Hair makeup.

12:38

Oh, gotcha. Okay. So you did, I

12:40

didn't even know you used to do

12:43

her hair and makeup. So talk a

12:45

little bit about that. Weird talk show

12:47

in the UK like 10 years ago.

12:49

Do you remember that to get up

12:52

the same day? Wait, no. Yeah. What

12:54

wait, what weird talk show to me?

12:56

It was chattyman? Yes. Yeah, with the

12:58

drink, with the drink cart? And like

13:01

I, oh my god, it's right. It's

13:03

back. Boy, I really leave an impression.

13:05

It's not you. It was the boundaries,

13:08

remember? Maybe was it? Was it? Was

13:10

it bad? I'm missing a couple of

13:12

years. I'm super serious from that time.

13:14

I'm literally missing a few years You

13:17

were well, so let me remind you

13:19

it was disgraceful your behavior No, no,

13:21

no, no, no, you were great. No,

13:24

no, you were great. Okay, but what

13:26

I wanted to so but we met

13:28

at the time and you were how

13:30

old were you when you first like

13:33

released your first? record. You're as a

13:35

pop star. I think I was 19

13:37

when my like first single off my

13:39

first album came out or 20. I

13:42

was either 19 or 20. And had

13:44

you been making music, had you been

13:46

making music since you were a kid?

13:49

And then that was the first- She

13:51

was in the Musical 13 on Broadway.

13:53

Yeah, I was, yeah, I was a

13:55

total theater nerd. I did Broadway first

13:58

when I was 14, and then I

14:00

was acting for a little bit, but

14:02

I was always simultaneously writing songs and

14:04

doing music. I just never expected it

14:07

to kind of take over the way

14:09

that it sort of did in like,

14:11

you know, a beautiful way. So you

14:14

were a theater, you were a theater

14:16

nerd and then you were like, oh,

14:18

wait a second, the world wants me

14:20

to be a pop star and you

14:23

just kind of went that way for

14:25

a while? Yes, I mean, where I

14:27

was, I am, a theater nerd through

14:30

and through. And you know, this very

14:32

insane journey with music kind of took

14:34

over my life for a very long

14:36

time. And it was. extraordinary, but very

14:39

challenging, and very not what I expected

14:41

it to be in certain ways, but

14:43

so beautiful and gratifying in others. And

14:45

yeah, it was just crazy because when

14:48

I was younger, especially after doing 13

14:50

on Broadway, I was kind of like...

14:52

How cool! I get to be part

14:55

of the theater community. I can't wait

14:57

to be like, you know, the understudy

14:59

for the thoroughly modern Milli revival and

15:01

maybe be in the ensemble on the

15:04

days when I'm not being the swing.

15:06

And then I'll do music on the

15:08

side and hopefully someone will listen to

15:10

it and that can be like a

15:13

little side thing and hopefully someone will

15:15

be into it. These are all things

15:17

you're on Sean, yeah, is there all

15:20

on Sean's vision board that you just

15:22

named everything that's on his vision board?

15:24

musical theater, was there a, what was

15:26

it like the first time you saw

15:29

Wicked on Broadway? Was that? I mean,

15:31

it was life changing. It was literally

15:33

life before and after seeing Wicked, my

15:36

life in two chapters. Did you see

15:38

it with at Dena Menzel and Chenoweth?

15:40

I did. I was very spoiled. I

15:42

can't believe I got to, I saw

15:45

what the original Broadway cast. When was

15:47

that? And I was ten. 10 years

15:49

ago. Yeah. 20 years ago. 21. 21

15:51

years ago. Wow. Crazy. Yeah, it was

15:54

crazy. I mean, it changed my life.

15:56

I was so obsessed. And it's gonna

15:58

be so surreal, like, yeah, seeing that.

16:01

And then now you're in it, like,

16:03

Linda, it's wild. So then can I

16:05

ask then, did you hear that they

16:07

were making a movie of Wicked and

16:10

you threw your hat in the ring?

16:12

Yes, I that's putting it very lightly

16:14

I was stalking Mark Platt like I

16:16

actually was like in the bushes outside

16:19

his house No, but um I wasn't

16:21

but maybe I was but No, I

16:23

was on tour. I was on the

16:26

sweetener tour and I had heard murmurs

16:28

of, okay, this thing is gearing up

16:30

to happen. And I told my team,

16:32

I was like, hey, we're gonna have

16:35

to have a plan. I don't know

16:37

what to do. But if God forbid,

16:39

if God forbid, I'm still on the

16:42

road when this thing starts happening, we

16:44

are gonna have to like. You know

16:46

refund some tickets pay everyone working on

16:48

the tour to just like you know

16:51

Here's what you know, whatever go away.

16:53

I have to figure this out I

16:55

have to I have to give my

16:57

everything to this and I just have

17:00

to start training I have to make

17:02

sure I'm in Class is to train

17:04

my voice every day and with an

17:07

acting coach every day just to get

17:09

back into it and also Glinda requires

17:11

a whole new skill set that I

17:13

didn't have a connection to anymore because

17:16

I was on the road for 10

17:18

years And I was just like, I

17:20

have to make this my full-time gig.

17:22

I have to do everything in my

17:25

power just to get a chance to

17:27

earn it. I want to make sure

17:29

that when my audition... if I get

17:32

an audition, they'll, that I'm fucking ready.

17:34

Right, did they make you audition? To

17:36

like, yeah, I mean, of course it's

17:38

wicked. Of course it's wicked. Would you

17:41

have to do like a self tape

17:43

or did you go with that person?

17:45

No, you go, you go in. I

17:47

mean, it was such a, it was

17:50

a thorough experience as it should be.

17:52

I mean, I think, you know, there's

17:54

just so much that is required of

17:57

Glenda that is so different from what

17:59

I usually. I'm five foot six. I'm

18:01

from New York. And this is my

18:03

first. Well, five six. Do I present

18:06

five? I wish. Oh my God. No.

18:08

What's amazing? You're five

18:10

six presenting. Five six

18:12

presenting. No. What's amazing though

18:14

about what you just said about

18:17

having to audition and show up

18:19

and show your I was just blown.

18:21

Everybody knows you can sing and

18:23

sing really well. Thank you. But

18:25

to be able to legit sing

18:28

like that. We both go, we

18:30

both see Eric Vicho. Eric taught

18:32

me how to sing and he

18:34

coaches you and he's wonderful. Greatest

18:36

focal coach ever. In the world,

18:38

yeah. Yes, and to watch you

18:40

like, I was talking to Jason

18:42

and Will about the athleticism of

18:44

your voice and Cynthia's voice and

18:46

like what that requires, I'm watching

18:49

you on screen like breathing with

18:51

you like as you, and then the

18:53

legit like diaphragm, like the power you

18:55

have is so. incredible and

18:57

you can't teach it. You know?

18:59

Thank you. That is. Yeah, you

19:02

just think it's something. Sean, is

19:04

it, Arianna, is there a, when

19:06

you're dancing and singing at the

19:08

same time, do you constantly have

19:10

to monitor not running out of

19:12

breath because you're dancing? Like you

19:14

need the breath for singing, but

19:16

you also need to, you're like,

19:19

you're exercising with dancing, too. Is

19:21

that a challenge? Well, yeah, I

19:23

thought I, it's just kind

19:25

of something that you build

19:27

up to. So there's a

19:30

lot of physical training. There's

19:32

like, you know, whatever you

19:34

can do, cardiopolades every morning,

19:36

then before the rehearsals, hopefully

19:38

it feels like a little easier.

19:40

Like the more you do ahead

19:43

of it, the more it's easier,

19:45

the more it's easier to, you

19:47

know, you know, singing on the

19:49

treadmill to get used for it.

19:51

I wonder if, and I'm asking, I

19:53

guess, being on tour and singing

19:56

and performing in front of big,

19:58

huge audiences must have been... and

20:00

all those years turns out was maybe

20:02

great preparation, was it? Yeah, it's funny

20:04

because I feel like it's like. Yes,

20:06

but also I feel like working with

20:08

Jason Robert Brown at the age of

20:10

13 was my preparation for that. I

20:12

was like, oh my goodness, the only

20:14

reason I can keep up with this

20:16

tour, where I'm singing all of these

20:18

songs live for two and a half

20:20

hours every night or however long it

20:22

is, or whatever it is, or whatever

20:24

it is, at that, you know, it's

20:26

very demanding and then traveling on a

20:28

dry bus or in a dry plane,

20:30

whatever it is, and the only reason

20:32

I... can keep up with that I

20:34

credit to being on Broadway. So it

20:37

goes back and forth, kind of. It's

20:39

like just this stamina that I am

20:41

so... grateful that I got to build

20:43

at a young age because you know

20:45

Jason gave me the hard like I

20:47

couldn't I love Jason Robert Brown because

20:49

he is like can you do that

20:51

it's like I don't know and he's

20:53

like you got it and it's just

20:55

like okay great I figure it out

20:57

yeah it's like a second longer of

20:59

a note than you think you can

21:01

hold or a higher note one note

21:03

higher than you think you can sing

21:05

and he's like perfect you take that

21:07

harmony and I think that trained me

21:09

trained me to be able to be

21:11

able to do the singing that I

21:13

was doing, and then it went back

21:15

and forth, I suppose. And forgive the

21:17

term legit, because it's all legit. Even

21:19

pop singing is legit. No, I know

21:21

what I mean. You know what I

21:23

mean. So do you want to do

21:25

more of that? Because I'd never seen

21:28

you do that until wicked. I'd never

21:30

seen you sing legit like that. Well,

21:32

you know, it felt really wonderful to

21:34

kind of have a little surprise. And

21:36

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now back to the show. Backing up

25:18

a little bit, the start of your

25:20

career was... Great, so you do like

25:22

this this big musical on Broadway You

25:25

start doing some acting and that really

25:27

takes off as far as you know

25:29

Kid success goes like you're you're killing

25:31

it because you're on a big series

25:34

I think on Nickelodeon perhaps and all

25:36

the while you're thinking and dreaming and

25:38

trying for some singing as well, and

25:41

that's really the passion and your team

25:43

is probably I'm assuming kind of supportive

25:45

yes but not really sure well should

25:48

we throw the baby out with the

25:50

bathwater can we do both like what

25:52

was the thing in singing what was

25:55

the big success that gave you comfort

25:57

and your team comfort that you could

25:59

kind of transition away from acting a

26:02

little bit more and really pursue this

26:04

musical career? Well, I think it just

26:06

kind of, I followed it in a

26:09

way. Yeah. Because you know, I was,

26:11

the whole time I was, cat on

26:13

Nickelodeon, I was also writing like pop

26:16

R&B music on the side. I would

26:18

go from set to the studio and

26:20

I would be like making these songs

26:23

that I was probably too young to

26:25

put out yet. And you know, it

26:27

was just a funny interesting thing. And

26:30

I remember there was a blurry time

26:32

when Nickelodeon kind of wanted the music

26:34

that I was writing to potentially be

26:37

for the show. So there was a

26:39

moment where I actually like put out

26:41

a song with a red hair and

26:44

it was very like kind of in

26:46

the cat Valentine mindset because I didn't

26:48

know if I was supposed to be

26:50

myself yet or not. And then someone

26:53

that I was very close to that

26:55

was very supportive and really really really

26:57

loving wonderful person in my life was

27:00

like... hey they're gonna love you as

27:02

you with brown hair singing R&B inspired

27:04

pop and you know just to fucking

27:07

wing it and put that out and

27:09

and I did and it it was

27:11

really cool I it was it was

27:14

cool to see the people not Know

27:16

the connection or discover that and then

27:18

realize the connection and it was just

27:21

it was just cool Yeah, it was

27:23

it was scary, but cool and I've

27:25

learned a lot along the way You

27:28

know, it's like it's great. Well, you've

27:30

done and again like you've You've done

27:32

this so much in this you know

27:35

in the music space and the acting

27:37

space and the combo with the musicals

27:39

and now as Jason said when he

27:42

introduced you're getting into other businesses and

27:44

in cosmetics I guess and a lot

27:46

of other things like you're taking on

27:49

a lot of Are those other things

27:51

giving you that same? Are you getting

27:53

that same sort of like hunger? for

27:56

success in those other areas? Are you

27:58

finding them rewarding, getting into business, and

28:00

doing stuff like that? Is that been

28:03

a fun experience? It's definitely been a

28:05

fun experience, and I definitely love creating

28:07

in all capacities and storytelling in any

28:10

capacity. I really do love my... fragrance

28:12

and my beauty brand and that stuff

28:14

is like it's really fun and I

28:16

think it's a totally different part of

28:19

my brain. My mom is a CEO

28:21

and she's very much a business person.

28:23

My dad is an artist so I

28:26

think I kind of sit exactly in

28:28

between the two of them and these

28:30

two parts of me are very hungry

28:33

in very different ways and I enjoy

28:35

it. I enjoy creating but I think

28:37

obviously my loves of my life are

28:40

acting in music. It's like not even

28:42

a comparison. I feel... grateful for like

28:44

every area in which I can be

28:47

a creative person who like makes stuff,

28:49

but It's not necessarily the same, but

28:51

it's something I love very much, you

28:54

know, you know, when you said earlier

28:56

about With the with the music you

28:58

weren't really sure if you were allowed

29:01

to be you and and this weird

29:03

Question but like with all of the

29:05

success that you are having and have

29:08

had in all of these different areas

29:10

all of those things can be really

29:12

affecting on on who you are Obviously

29:15

to the public, but really who you

29:17

are internally because they can kind of

29:19

pull you and push you Into areas

29:22

of yourself you would like to be

29:24

or areas that you really didn't think

29:26

that you were or at least the

29:29

perception of you so excuse me. How

29:31

are you managing? keeping a natural sort

29:33

of progression of who you are, who

29:35

you would like to be, as far

29:38

as letting these outside things identify who

29:40

you are. And does that make any

29:42

sense? No, it makes total sense. And

29:45

it's also something that I have to

29:47

be so protective of. Yeah. Because I

29:49

think like, as an artist, I... most

29:52

important thing is authenticity and kind of

29:54

making the records that I want to

29:56

make or making. And talking about the

29:59

things, singing about the things that mean

30:01

something to you, right? Yeah. Totally Totally,

30:03

but you know, I also I also

30:06

am like a cancer and a recovering

30:08

people pleaser and I like in the

30:10

past. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Hi. Hello people

30:13

pleaser I am I am I wish

30:15

there were a group. Oh my god

30:17

I'm eating Let's start just me and

30:20

yeah. Let's go. Please. People is something.

30:22

Okay. How did I phrase this? But

30:24

it's true, it's such a thing that

30:27

we have to fight to protect as

30:29

people who have a connection with our

30:31

listeners, our fans, and also remaining true

30:34

to ourselves and what's in our hearts.

30:36

And I feel like I've been... Doing

30:38

a really great job at that recently,

30:41

but it's just such a it's such

30:43

a hard line to To walk is

30:45

like no I'm gonna write the songs.

30:48

I want to write I have to

30:50

make the album that I want to

30:52

make and I have to Kind of

30:55

tune as much of the noise out

30:57

so that I can just be an

30:59

honest person which has a hard work

31:01

Especially when you come into it at

31:04

19. Sorry No, that's great. You know,

31:06

I was thinking too, like, uh, total,

31:08

by the way, exact same person, I'm

31:11

long winded. I'm like so long winded.

31:13

Sorry. No, same. No, that's what you're

31:15

for. No, yeah. And we're gonna cut

31:18

all of it out. So the, uh,

31:20

kidding. My whole, yeah. And we're gonna

31:22

cut all of it out. So the,

31:25

uh, I'm kidding. I'm kidding. So the,

31:27

uh, I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I'm getting

31:29

to you for, like to you for,

31:32

like, like to you for, like, like,

31:34

like, like, like, like, like, like, like,

31:36

like, like, like, like, like, like, like,

31:39

like, like, like, like, like, like, like,

31:41

like, like, like, like, like, like, like,

31:43

like, like, like, like, like, like, like,

31:46

like, like, like, like, like, like, 17,000

31:48

hours about that. Go ahead, Sean, then

31:50

do it. I could. No, Ariana, like

31:53

in the back of your head, get

31:55

like a great theater story ready, because

31:57

I love those things that go wrong.

32:00

Like, I have so many of them.

32:02

But, but, uh, I did it anyway.

32:04

get it ready. So I want to

32:07

talk about like getting do you have

32:09

a what is it like with the

32:11

how do you handle the ups and

32:14

downs of being I hate saying this

32:16

but relevant because for example like Taylor

32:18

Swift like. I don't remember anybody talking

32:20

about her five, six, seven, eight, nine

32:23

years ago. I mean, sure, she had

32:25

many, many fans, and she was very

32:27

famous and popular, but she wasn't like

32:30

she is now, and it goes up

32:32

and down and up and down for

32:34

everybody in this entire entertainment business. And

32:37

so for me, I've always been a

32:39

huge fan of yours. But Wicked really

32:41

like, oh my God, there's Ariana Grande

32:44

industries and everything. And it's not that

32:46

people didn't think that when you had

32:48

an album come out or a tour

32:51

come out, but the ups and downs

32:53

where you're when you're quiet. Yeah, there's

32:55

like how do you yeah, there's those

32:58

spikes. How do you handle or what

33:00

do you do during the low spikes?

33:02

I don't know. I mean, I try

33:05

to I think I'm a person who

33:07

like wasn't meant to be. famous, but

33:09

I love the art of making and

33:12

creating so much that I think like

33:14

my insatiable need to just kind of

33:16

make things and create and try to

33:19

push myself to grow in different directions

33:21

and you know learn new things and

33:23

see what I can yeah I just

33:26

I kind of try to focus on

33:28

that as much as possible and I

33:30

think it helps me survive otherwise I

33:33

really think if I paid more attention

33:35

that I would like not I would

33:37

go away I think it's just too

33:40

scary yeah well you're adding layers to

33:42

it too which is really cool like

33:44

you're adding layers to which is really

33:46

cool like She's just a pop story.

33:49

No, she's an actor. That's a scary

33:51

thought to even think like, oh, what

33:53

are they thinking right now? Like, the

33:56

healthiest thing for me is to disconnect

33:58

as much as humanly possible. Of course,

34:00

I have like the internet and I'm

34:03

on my phone, you know. I whatever

34:05

love Instagram, but you know, I'm a

34:07

person who tries to maintain a healthy

34:10

distance from it because I think it's

34:12

like the same thing I would tell

34:14

like a young person who's like, what

34:17

do you do when you hear like

34:19

no all the time? Those spikes feel

34:21

like, feel like big nose again. It

34:24

feels like I got, I didn't get

34:26

a callback for a shitty, shitty, bang,

34:28

and I'm eight years old or something.

34:31

Like it's the same thing. But as

34:33

you, but as you add, but as

34:35

you add those, as you add those

34:38

layers and you have those moments, what

34:40

are the things then now as you

34:42

kind of look forward and go like,

34:45

okay, I've done that, like, what are

34:47

the new, do you have new targets?

34:49

Oh my goodness, I... I... First of

34:52

all, all of you have to answer

34:54

this hard-ask question after I'm done. Everyone

34:56

has to answer. We're taking turns. This

34:59

is the first official meeting of people-pleasing

35:01

recovery. I'll bet it's somewhere around, like,

35:03

are you able to maintain happiness and

35:06

calm and peace and harmony each day

35:08

amidst so much... complicated, challenging, kind of

35:10

stuff. Yeah, I suppose it's like, yeah.

35:12

Yeah, I mean, amen to that. I

35:15

mean, how can we find that balance,

35:17

maintain that balance, but also like, is

35:19

the work that I'm taking on something

35:22

that can challenge me, that I can

35:24

grow from, that I haven't done before,

35:26

that I'm learning from, that I'm giving.

35:29

to the character in the same way

35:31

that it's maybe going to teach me

35:33

or feed me, I don't know. And

35:36

maybe success is the experience of creating

35:38

and not the result of. Right. Totally.

35:40

Maybe it's like... I don't think so.

35:43

Yeah. I mean, it's probably true with

35:45

anybody on the planet no matter what

35:47

industry or occupation they're in, if you

35:50

can maintain happiness each day, because it's

35:52

such a slippery thing, right? Yeah. We

35:54

have the benefit, I'm gonna say benefit,

35:57

of being a lot older than you

35:59

are. And I think that for me

36:01

in the last couple years has been

36:04

really eye opening in the sense that

36:06

I, first of all, I don't measure

36:08

my personal success is not a reflection

36:11

of what I do professionally. So how

36:13

I feel is not a reflection of

36:15

what I do. I've really been able

36:18

to separate those things up because if.

36:20

I try as hard as I can

36:22

to not be at the effect of

36:25

circumstances. If I'm only happy if it's

36:27

sunny out, then what the fuck happens

36:29

when it rains? Then I'm fucked. So

36:31

I gotta figure out a way to

36:34

be happy no matter what. And those

36:36

are sometimes just the smallest things. And

36:38

family, we all have kids, you know,

36:41

so it's like. my relationship with my

36:43

kids, my, you know, if my kids

36:45

are happy, then I'm happy, all that

36:48

kind of stuff, those are the things

36:50

that really come to the forefront and

36:52

become important by relationship with my friends.

36:55

Yeah, stuff you can control, but also

36:57

stuff that's really, that's for real important,

36:59

you know, my relationship with these guys

37:02

is very important, staying connected, talking about

37:04

what's going on, all that kind of

37:06

stuff, and everything else, when you kind

37:09

of right size all that other stuff,

37:11

it feels so... much better. I don't

37:13

know if you guys agree, but it

37:16

does for me. Sure. I fully agree.

37:18

Yeah, and Ariana, I know you didn't

37:20

ask for this, but you you've gotten

37:23

it because you are Seemingly such a

37:25

kind and easily likable lovable person not

37:27

to mention your your success, but the

37:30

the youth You know really looks up

37:32

to you and follows you and and

37:34

so how do you manage that sort

37:37

of? You know responsibility that that again

37:39

you didn't you didn't sign up for

37:41

but you've got it. Do you you

37:44

think about that like when you're writing

37:46

lyrics or when you're taking on you

37:48

know roles or is any of that

37:51

factor in? Um, no, I mean, yeah,

37:53

I mean, it's here's the thing I

37:55

probably not an effort because you're just

37:57

naturally sort of a decent person and

38:00

they're going to follow a good example.

38:02

I mean, that's very generous and kind.

38:04

I just feel like it's kind of

38:07

a really specific and strange thing to

38:09

become a... public person at like a

38:11

really young age and then to have

38:14

kind of all this normal growth that

38:16

happens in everyone's 20s and young teen

38:18

years and whatever it is in front

38:21

of an audience and in front of

38:23

people who you know don't have to

38:25

have every mistake that they've ever made

38:28

flashed in front of them and like

38:30

reminded every two seconds it's like it's

38:32

like a funky thing but you know

38:35

all we can actually do is grow

38:37

and like be human, become more and

38:39

more human, I think, in the face

38:42

of being dehumanize and objectified, we can

38:44

just become more and more human, I

38:46

guess. Well, that's interesting. Again, it sounds

38:49

like there's some kind of international incident

38:51

going on. Yeah, are you, are you,

38:53

they're going to find you, Ariana. But,

38:56

but, but, but, but, but, you bring

38:58

up a, that must be interesting in

39:00

a very unique situation in a very

39:03

unique situation in, in, in, in something

39:05

that's been talked about being that's been

39:07

talked about, Jay-B was a Jason was

39:10

a performer when he was young and

39:12

grew up grew up in that world

39:14

as well in a different way, but

39:16

singing and dancing his to if you

39:19

want to if you want to Jason

39:21

to die on the spot Tell me's

39:23

gonna sing and dance and he will

39:26

expire in front of you give a

39:28

toast well giving a toast But but

39:30

Arianna to grow to grow to go

39:33

through your 20s with that kind of

39:35

scrutiny Talk a little bit about that.

39:37

I can't imagine. I think about, you

39:40

guys, think about all the dumb shit

39:42

you did in your 20s, and then

39:44

imagine growing up in this world, the

39:47

digital era, where everything is, people got

39:49

an opinion on it, it gets broadcast,

39:51

I mean. Yeah, people got phones to

39:54

record you when you're not looking. Yeah,

39:56

must be really hard to get your

39:58

head around it and get your heart

40:01

around it and all of it. Yeah.

40:03

I mean, I'm a very sensitive person.

40:05

So I can't say it's something that

40:08

I have done particularly well with. Well,

40:10

it's okay. But it's also something that

40:12

I have had the help of, you

40:15

know, my loved ones and therapy and...

40:17

time and art and just like a

40:19

love for and also like a deep

40:22

sense of gratitude for what I am

40:24

so privileged to be able to do

40:26

like that has kind of gotten me

40:29

through it every time I kind

40:31

of experienced that like I

40:33

just kind of had to disconnect

40:35

I suppose for a little because

40:37

you know, again, back to the

40:39

cancer people pleasing, there was always

40:41

a part of me that wanted

40:44

to kind of explain or do

40:46

a big, you know, come talk

40:48

to the world and come talk

40:50

to everyone about what the truth

40:52

is and whatever it is and

40:54

I'm experiencing that whatever or explain

40:57

things and overshare, you know, for

40:59

the sake of being understood by

41:01

a humongous thing of strangers. And

41:03

it's just a strange thing to

41:05

feel at such a young age

41:07

and what... is the boundary there

41:09

and what's a healthy relationship to

41:12

it and how do you protect

41:14

yourself for the sake of being

41:16

able to continue. And just to

41:18

live. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. For what

41:20

it's worth from the outside, you

41:22

know, it seems like you've done

41:24

a fantastic job of that. Yeah.

41:26

Oh God, that's so nice. And

41:28

speaking of continuing, you know, like,

41:30

Sean does not agree. No, I

41:32

don't agree. So no, but speaking

41:34

of continuing like you what I

41:36

love about you amongst many things

41:39

is your ability to surprise people

41:41

with choices and things you do

41:43

so you have so you go from

41:45

Broadway then you go to a pop

41:47

via pop star and then you're an

41:49

actress and then you You know do

41:51

all of these things, but one of

41:54

the things that was so surprising was

41:56

I don't think anybody knew how unbelievably

41:58

hilarious you are like like You're Saturday

42:00

Night Live, we died laughing and

42:02

you're Jennifer Coolidge impression. Like all

42:05

of your impressions are so incredible.

42:07

How, where in the world, nobody

42:09

knew you could do that. And

42:11

so it's like, if we don't

42:14

know you can do that, imagine

42:16

the next 100 things you're gonna

42:18

do over the next, you know,

42:20

50 years or whatever. I'm so

42:23

excited. Can you give us a

42:25

little Jennifer Coolidge? Hey Jennifer, what's

42:27

up? Jennifer, why wouldn't you, why

42:29

won't you, why weren't you on

42:32

the White Lotus, the sequel, what,

42:34

the White Lotus Jennifer? They fucking

42:36

killed me off a god-dam boat.

42:38

Oh my, it's so good, right,

42:40

guys. I didn't want to, I

42:43

didn't want to die. But I

42:45

guess I'm dead. Oh my god,

42:47

that's creepy. It's just so good.

42:49

Come back. Oh good. I love

42:52

her too, shit. That's fucking sad.

42:54

Oh my god. Sean, that must

42:56

make you want to have talent,

42:58

right? I mean, just hearing her.

43:01

Yeah. All I want is hot.

43:03

Oh, I can't do this. Jesus

43:05

Christ. Ariana. So that reminds me

43:07

of the whole voice thing and

43:10

like, what. What is the weirdest

43:12

thing you do to prep your

43:14

voice when you're about to go

43:16

to a concert? Are you like

43:18

breathing a bunch of like steam?

43:21

Are you gargling milk? What goes

43:23

on? No. No. What goes on?

43:25

No. No. No. What goes on?

43:27

No. No? No. Okay, so different

43:30

things call for different kind of

43:32

routines and tools, I guess. This

43:34

is like, I feel like... So

43:36

I don't know, I feel like

43:39

a nerd, but you know, if

43:41

you need the extra, like, you

43:43

can have a little vocal box

43:45

where there's like all of the

43:48

lozenges and sprays and hydration things

43:50

and whatever. But that's mostly if

43:52

you're like fatigued or have a

43:54

cough or whatever it is. I

43:56

don't usually, and I don't know,

43:59

usually I can jump in, but

44:01

I think that's... thing that I

44:03

do that perplexes people so much

44:05

and it's just so funny because

44:08

like if you're a person who

44:10

uses their voice you know about

44:12

this is like if I have

44:14

a long day of press or

44:17

if I have to sing I'll

44:19

place it a little higher and

44:21

so I'll change my vocal placement

44:23

to kind of preserve but That

44:26

is just kind of something that's

44:28

healthy for the voice and whatever.

44:30

That's something I think. Because staying

44:32

higher gives less stress on it

44:34

than talking in a lower register?

44:37

Yeah, so it's just like basically

44:39

pitching your voice up a tiny

44:41

bit. Yeah, but it's just a

44:43

normal thing for vocalists but people

44:46

are like that's not her natural

44:48

voice and I'm like well it

44:50

is actually but it's just a

44:52

little higher because all of it

44:55

is natural and it's so funny

44:57

gets talked about it a zillion

44:59

times and people are still like

45:01

where's your real voice and I'm

45:04

like well they're all they all

45:06

are so it's just Do you

45:08

sing every day? No. I mean,

45:10

casually, yeah. Actually, yeah. I actually

45:12

know that I think about it.

45:15

I'm kind of insufferable to be

45:17

around because I do sing all

45:19

the time every day. And yeah,

45:21

the answer is yes, not no.

45:24

I do. I sing in the

45:26

shower all the time. Yeah. I

45:28

sing in the shower all the

45:30

time. What do you sing, Sean?

45:33

I sing the national anthem. Can

45:35

we get a little bit? We'll

45:37

be right back. Oats are great,

45:39

sure, but you know, that's how

45:42

we could. We'll be bursting in

45:44

it. Oh, right. You're welcome. So

45:46

speaking of. We've proved. Wow, wow,

45:48

wow. Nice. We'll be right back.

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48:22

of routines, walk us through a typical

48:24

day for you if nothing's on your

48:26

plate. You have a completely free day.

48:28

Are you one that sleeps in? Do

48:31

you like to read? Are you watching

48:33

dumb movies? What if you got nothing

48:35

on your plate? What's the day look

48:37

like? Oh, I love this. I love

48:39

to. Well, I love to wake up

48:41

early. I do. Like, if I need

48:44

it, I feel like my body will

48:46

tell me. And I get, like, one,

48:48

sleep in a month. Like, the whole

48:50

month is relying on this one day,

48:52

where my body just decides that it's

48:54

going to sleep, and then it sleeps.

48:57

You know what I mean? Like, a

48:59

really, a really scary slumber. Like, knock,

49:01

knock, is everyone. Yeah, I like to

49:03

get up and I like to do

49:05

my steps. I like to pace on

49:07

the treadmill with my little iPad and

49:09

I either like I'm playing a game,

49:12

a virtual game, or I'm texting my

49:14

team and like whatever. I'm very creative

49:16

when I'm on the treadmill. So I

49:18

have ideas and nice and I'll sound

49:20

like... crazy voice notes to Christian Breslauer,

49:22

the director that I work with on

49:25

all my music videos. I don't know,

49:27

I always have ideas on the plane.

49:29

I'll either be texting him or my

49:31

stylus me, me, me or my team

49:33

will be like, oh my God, we

49:35

forgot to talk about this, I wanted

49:37

to talk about this. It gets my

49:40

brain going, I love to get my

49:42

steps done early. And then I'll hang

49:44

out, I'll either like to try and

49:46

I like to. Cook on the treadmills?

49:48

No. What's your go-to dish? What do

49:50

you, what do you, what do you

49:53

cook best? Well, I'm vegan, so I

49:55

like to make, yeah, I love to,

49:57

I love to roast like mushrooms of

49:59

different variants and make like a vegan

50:01

pesto and make like, why you hate

50:03

mushrooms? I don't need mushrooms. I can't

50:05

eat mushrooms. Well, you're not invited. So

50:08

then you can have pasta as a

50:10

vegan, right? Yeah, yes. Yes. Yes. So

50:12

then you're doing the pesto with the

50:14

pasta. I'm back in. I'm Italian, so

50:16

we have to have that, you know.

50:18

You spend any time over there in

50:21

Italy? No, no, actually. I haven't been

50:23

since I was on tour and I

50:25

would love too in the, you know,

50:27

you know, more meaningful because I get

50:29

to have more time way. Because so

50:31

much is required of you every day

50:33

of your life in so many areas,

50:36

are you a germ freak? Are you

50:38

like, I can't get sick? I can't

50:40

get sick. I am a little bit

50:42

of a germ freak. I do maintain

50:44

the mask stuff. Oh, you do? I

50:46

love a mask. I have always been

50:49

a little bit of a germ person.

50:51

A not like... More with masks than

50:53

it is like obsessive compulsive purelling Yeah,

50:55

like just kind of I like to

50:57

stay or like when you go in

50:59

an elevator Do you take your sleeve

51:01

and press the button with your sleeve?

51:04

No It's like it's not that far,

51:06

but I also like would do that

51:08

now that you mentioned it I'm gonna

51:10

start doing it tomorrow. Wait, what about

51:12

bare feet on a hotel floor? That's

51:14

Jason's. I can do that. I can

51:17

do that. But also, I'm sicker than

51:19

you are. I said to Jason, we

51:21

were just on vacation and he was

51:23

like, of course, every time you sit

51:25

down to eat with Jason, he sits

51:27

down, he orders and then he gets

51:29

up and he leaves and he comes

51:32

back and he's holding his hands like

51:34

he's going to surgery like a surgeon

51:36

does? I watched him. And then he

51:38

says like, oh, did you sit there

51:40

or you got your hand? And I

51:42

go. Is everybody else here, and there

51:45

were like 20 of us to go,

51:47

is everybody else falling down on the

51:49

ground sick? Is everybody got it? Do

51:51

we all get in? You might, yeah,

51:53

you might, today you might. Yeah, that

51:55

is a scary. thing to me with

51:57

all of the travel and all of

52:00

the yeah it's a lot now speaking

52:02

of masks I bet you it really

52:04

enjoy the anonymity of walking around with

52:06

a mask and you can you can

52:08

get away with it now because masks

52:10

are so sort of ubiquitous right so

52:13

yeah so are you have you taken

52:15

like a big risk with a mask

52:17

lately like have you done like the

52:19

like gun to Disneyland with a mask

52:21

on yeah or a murder because you

52:23

could because you could walk into a

52:26

really huge public everybody down. Wait, do

52:28

you want to know my secret? I

52:30

do it all the fucking time. Really?

52:32

I literally walk around for hours and

52:34

hours and hours. Whenever I'm off, that

52:36

was my next part of my schedule

52:38

that I was going to tell you

52:41

on my off day. I meander and

52:43

I shop and I walk and I

52:45

go and I go to the movie

52:47

theater and I see movies and I

52:49

wear like a little hood and a

52:51

cap and I'm just like I have

52:54

to be able to like explore otherwise

52:56

I'll fall apart. I'll fall apart. I

52:58

really love it. I really love it.

53:00

Also like I really do enjoy meeting

53:02

people so like you know it's fine

53:04

and I love it like it's like

53:06

really nice I met the cutest the

53:09

cutest waiter the other day he was

53:11

so sweet and he had a little

53:13

tattoo a little sweetener tattoo it was

53:15

that like made my day no I

53:17

love meeting people but I so did

53:19

you pull the mask down and go

53:22

hi oh I didn't have a mask

53:24

on that oh oh but I but

53:26

no he was just like But I

53:28

do love... But do you give people

53:30

that treat like you're in a store

53:32

and like and that you're like they're

53:34

helping you? Like oh there's a person

53:37

cute and pull the mask down give

53:39

them a little treat like look who

53:41

it is and they're like oh my

53:43

god. Well first of all I don't

53:45

always have a mask on. I just

53:47

mean like if I'm like you know

53:50

meandering around Broadway. Yeah, yeah. It's the

53:52

best. I'm here now and and and

53:54

I was walking around and I went

53:56

got coffee and they asked me to

53:58

put a mask on. Yeah. Yeah, they

54:00

said, cover it. You're so silly. All

54:02

right, so then what's next on the

54:05

dream board for acting? Wait, I never

54:07

got to tell you my thing about

54:09

the masks. And I promised and I

54:11

said when I said this was the

54:13

butt was I've always loved masks. I

54:15

think they're so cute and like I

54:18

used to sell them as merch on

54:20

my tour with like a little moon

54:22

on them. No way. Because it was

54:24

like a cute thing that me and

54:26

my fans like always wore and it

54:28

was like a cute thing and it

54:30

was like a fashion thing. We like

54:33

it. That's cool. And then when the

54:35

pandemic happened all of my fans were

54:37

like we are prepared. We have plenty

54:39

of these. We have moon masks. Yes,

54:41

thank you. Sorry. Can you talk about

54:43

it yet? I would love to, I

54:46

would love to continue acting. That's my,

54:48

that is my, I feel so connected

54:50

to it. I really would love to

54:52

find the right thing that challenges me

54:54

in a new way. I love it

54:56

so much. I think it's, I love

54:58

it for different reasons. than music. I

55:01

mean, it's just so nice to kind

55:03

of take a break from playing yourself.

55:05

Like a caricaturized version of yourself that

55:07

isn't really yourself, but it kind of

55:09

is, because parts of it are in

55:11

the songs. So it's just a confusing

55:14

little thing. And I think what a

55:16

like cool thing it is to find

55:18

characters that you can kind of jump

55:20

into. Right, which are other parts of

55:22

yourself. Yeah. Yeah, I suppose. I mean

55:24

you can heal little parts of yourself

55:26

through them and with them and for

55:29

them that you didn't know needed to

55:31

be looked at because when you're, you

55:33

know, finding commonality. And comedy versus drama?

55:35

Do you lean one way or the

55:37

other, do you think? I love both,

55:39

I think. You know Glinda had a

55:42

the biggest gift of Glinda is that

55:44

there's a little bit of both You

55:46

know, yeah, especially with you know part

55:48

two there's you get to see more

55:50

of her and get to know more

55:52

of her And she goes through a

55:55

little bit more, but you know, it's

55:57

I the combination is really special. I

55:59

think I love rolls that have room

56:01

for all of it right and that's

56:03

what's I love so much about her

56:05

is that the comedy plays well because

56:07

it's just truth and underneath it is

56:10

a very real person with very real

56:12

insecurities and fears and things and it's

56:14

it just gets to live there so

56:16

I hopefully both and if I'm lucky

56:18

both in one you know yeah I

56:20

think it's Sean you've already used I

56:23

have always thought that you should try

56:25

comedy because you know really yeah give

56:27

it a shot buddy yeah you should

56:29

I'm going to really you know what

56:31

thank you for the push Thank you.

56:33

Do you love getting involved with the

56:35

music videos and the whole. Design of

56:38

them and the concept of them and

56:40

the shooting of it and all that

56:42

or or yeah, I love the yes

56:44

and one. Oh, thank you. Thank you.

56:46

I yeah, I really feel like I

56:48

found my like my life long music

56:51

video collaborator in Christian Brazil or who

56:53

I just started working with for the

56:55

eternal sunshine era. He did, yes, and

56:57

he did, we can't be friends, he

56:59

did the boys' money, he did all

57:01

of those things. And not that you

57:03

have any idea what those are, but

57:06

you know, I just plan on continuing

57:08

with him forever, you know, when there's

57:10

something to do, it will be with

57:12

him, I love him. And I love

57:14

it. It's so collaborative. We speak the

57:16

same language. We love all the same

57:19

references. We just kind of were destined

57:21

to meet. You know, when you meet

57:23

like a creative person and you're like,

57:25

where have you been my whole life?

57:27

And it's just kind of this cosmic

57:29

collision. But like so when you're in

57:31

the recording studio and let's say you're

57:34

not in the recording area, whatever that's

57:36

called, but you're back where the board

57:38

is with all the slidey things. Yeah,

57:40

or do you like being on a

57:42

sweet or do you like being on

57:44

a movie set and like talking about

57:47

lenses and or the acting stuff like

57:49

the light the shiny stuff do you

57:51

do you like both of those with

57:53

those workplaces even like yes I mean

57:55

well I have different relationships to them

57:57

both because I feel like with acting

57:59

I love to just kind of be

58:02

the character and go away and not

58:04

have like I don't want to know

58:06

what the playback looks like I don't

58:08

want to know or be aware of

58:10

what my face is doing or my

58:12

body is doing I just wanted to

58:15

happen and then hopefully it'll make sense

58:17

later which is a huge risk I

58:19

realize I'm saying that but also you

58:21

know I just don't want to be

58:23

aware of it because I just want

58:25

to be honest and then if I'm

58:27

judging what I look like or my

58:30

whatever I look like or my I'm

58:32

like it's my favorite thing in the

58:34

world so yes the slide thing is

58:36

of course it's my it's my number

58:38

one's favorite thing to do even more

58:40

so than singing is vocal production and

58:43

comping vocals and staffing and vocal arranging

58:45

I'm like a huge nerd in that

58:47

way so I so what about like

58:49

taking on a young performer and producing

58:51

that performer and making he or she

58:53

you know really love being able to

58:55

vocal produce. Literally like that is just

58:58

a dream. Like if someone calls me

59:00

and it's like I want you to

59:02

record me, I absolutely... Have done it,

59:04

we'll do it, love it, we'll take

59:06

that call any day. I got to,

59:08

actually, wait, I have a fun, sorry,

59:11

I got to vocal produce, some of

59:13

the, we kid soundtrack, I got to

59:15

vocal produce Cynthia, and some of my

59:17

stuff too, so that was really cool

59:19

and such a treat. And to anyone

59:21

who questions the live element of the

59:24

vocals in divine gravity, in that second

59:26

verse, when she's going up the stairs,

59:28

in divine gravity, if you solo that

59:30

vocal, you can hear little boots on

59:32

the stairs on the stairs on the

59:34

stairs. Oh wow, that's amazing. Yeah, it's

59:36

so cool that you guys sing it

59:39

live. It's crazy. Yeah, heaven on earth

59:41

is being able to sift through a

59:43

bunch. of Cynthia Arival vocal takes, you

59:45

know what I mean? Because it's not

59:47

about, it's not about finding the good

59:49

one, it's about finding which perfect amazing

59:52

one is the choice that you want.

59:54

Did you hear that thing that was

59:56

going around for a while that on

59:58

New Year's Eve, if you started watching

1:00:00

the movie at a certain time, by

1:00:02

midnight you would hit the, whoa! Yes,

1:00:04

I saw several videos of that. Yeah,

1:00:07

I read that will right on the

1:00:09

website. Yeah, I saw that too. Yeah,

1:00:11

I came up on your feet. That

1:00:13

was my next, I was about to,

1:00:15

and Sean cut me off and took

1:00:17

my fucking, remember what the, New Year's,

1:00:20

because I, and I was like, write

1:00:22

it, he was like, whoa! And I

1:00:24

was like, why'd you miss it? Why,

1:00:26

you missed out, you missed out, you

1:00:28

missed out. Wait, so Ariana, I know

1:00:30

why I'm remembering this, but one of

1:00:32

the cutest, greatest things you ever did,

1:00:35

this is 10 years ago, when we

1:00:37

were around 10 years ago, we were

1:00:39

doing hair spray live, we were sitting

1:00:41

there in the makeup trailer, and you

1:00:43

said to me, and you said just

1:00:45

a little off the top, just a

1:00:48

little off the top, just tees off

1:00:50

the top a little bit more. No,

1:00:52

you said, you turned to me and

1:00:54

you said, hey, there's just a few

1:00:56

of us going over to my house

1:00:58

going over to my house after my

1:01:00

house after my house after later on

1:01:03

tonight, later on tonight, we're gonna get.

1:01:05

totally wasted and sleep over wait and

1:01:07

then sleep over and in the morning

1:01:09

my mom's gonna make us pancakes and

1:01:11

I'd say that yes and that was

1:01:13

so sweet you invited me and I

1:01:16

turned you and I go Ariana he

1:01:18

said yeah I go I'm 45 years

1:01:20

old and it was so sweet though

1:01:22

it was so sweet though it was

1:01:24

so sweet you said I'm 45 years

1:01:26

old I'll see you for the pancakes

1:01:28

I can't believe that's how I would

1:01:31

have ever said anything ever and I

1:01:33

actually do remember that cast party that

1:01:35

was like so funny and I remember

1:01:37

like yeah you believe that was only

1:01:39

10 years ago it was a long

1:01:41

time ago and and I just wanted

1:01:44

to bring up that your boyfriend is

1:01:46

one a very good friend of mine

1:01:48

yes he loves you so much I

1:01:50

love him to Ethan Slater he's one

1:01:52

of the nicest people you'll ever meet

1:01:54

in your life he did good night

1:01:56

Oscar with me in Chicago Come on.

1:01:59

Yes, and then he was in Wicked.

1:02:01

Yeah, and now you guys are dating

1:02:03

and I love that because you guys

1:02:05

make a perfect couple. Thank you. He's

1:02:07

amazing and he loves you. What part

1:02:09

did you play? He was the P.A.

1:02:12

guy with the, you know, but Ariana

1:02:14

next time you're on or whenever I

1:02:16

want to hear a horrible theater story

1:02:18

gone wrong in 13 or some other

1:02:20

theater show because of my favorite stories.

1:02:22

I have a thousand of them. I

1:02:24

have some. We've got time for one.

1:02:27

We got two, and then we're going

1:02:29

to let you go. Yeah, no, that's

1:02:31

totally fine. I realize you all probably

1:02:33

have like a heart out of like

1:02:35

right now. No, no, no, you don't.

1:02:37

I want to hear you. I feel

1:02:40

like I'm having tea with the dames

1:02:42

and I'm in heaven. No, no, it's

1:02:44

yours. See with the dames. So I

1:02:46

was, so my best friend Aaron Simon

1:02:48

Gross, who I actually grew up in

1:02:50

Boca with and he and I auditioned

1:02:53

for 13 on the same day together

1:02:55

and we both. He has these spontaneous

1:02:57

nosebleeds that are just really fucking. Yeah,

1:02:59

but it's like, it's the kind from

1:03:01

like a scary movie. It's like not,

1:03:03

it's not good. Kaiser, oh wow. Yeah,

1:03:05

it's really, it's aggressive and it's not

1:03:08

the kind of thing that is like.

1:03:10

Yeah, you know when you see something

1:03:12

and it takes you out of body

1:03:14

for a second? Because you're like not

1:03:16

supposed to be happening at all. So

1:03:18

he's in the wings waiting for his

1:03:21

entrance and we used to have this

1:03:23

cute moment in the opening number where

1:03:25

I was on stage and I would

1:03:27

sing one of the lines into the

1:03:29

wings so we would like lock eyes

1:03:31

and have a cute little moment and

1:03:33

then go back to the choreography and

1:03:36

I one day, because it was right

1:03:38

before his entrance, so I'm like, okay,

1:03:40

13, and I like look over to

1:03:42

lock eyes with Aaron and do the

1:03:44

choreography his way, and then I turn

1:03:46

back, and I see him covered in

1:03:49

blood, just covered in blood. And I

1:03:51

was like, oh my God, and he

1:03:53

had to enter and get through his

1:03:55

entire first scene. Was he aware that

1:03:57

he was bleeding? Yeah. He was looking

1:03:59

at me, like he was, had no

1:04:01

idea, had no idea what to do,

1:04:04

and also his character, he was using

1:04:06

crutches in the role and he couldn't

1:04:08

wipe himself. Did the audience gasp? Yeah,

1:04:10

they were like, and then when they realized

1:04:12

it wasn't a part of the plot

1:04:15

at all, that this just like blood-covered

1:04:17

man was entering and then he was

1:04:19

singing, and he was singing, he was

1:04:22

like, there's the cool kids, and he's

1:04:24

like singing his first number. Spitting blood

1:04:26

onto Graham Phillips, who's playing the lead

1:04:29

role. It was just like the craziest

1:04:31

thing and it never ended one.

1:04:33

Did you try to help him out?

1:04:35

There was nothing to, how? Just keep

1:04:38

your distance, right? I had to

1:04:40

exit. One time I was at the

1:04:42

end of promises promises. Thank you. We

1:04:44

I would think we usually we know

1:04:46

we'll create space and but the We

1:04:48

were coming out me and Chris and

1:04:50

Chenow with were coming out for our

1:04:52

bows and we're coming out for our

1:04:54

bows and we would do the same

1:04:56

thing would be in the wings from

1:04:58

opposite sides of the stage and lock

1:05:00

eyes before we'd come out and meet

1:05:03

at the middle to come down stage

1:05:05

for our bow and one night I

1:05:07

thought the audience is clapping everybody's taking

1:05:09

everybody's taking everybody's of the wicked witch

1:05:11

of the West on the house. Yes.

1:05:13

And I was like, oh my God,

1:05:15

what? So I took my bow

1:05:17

by myself. People like, what happened

1:05:19

to Chris? Oh, the audience is

1:05:22

like, where's she did? She fainted.

1:05:24

No way. You know what the

1:05:26

thing is? This just reminded me.

1:05:28

This is true story on Sunday

1:05:30

I was shooting this thing in

1:05:33

California and we're at lunch and

1:05:35

there were a bunch of us

1:05:37

sitting around in her finger. And

1:05:39

Eli goes, you can't talk, and she goes,

1:05:41

uh-huh, and she goes, uh-huh, and she goes

1:05:43

back, and I go, you can't breathe, and

1:05:45

she goes, uh-uh, and I've never done it

1:05:47

before, and I put my arms around her,

1:05:49

and I put my arms around her, and

1:05:51

I had three times, and she barfed on

1:05:53

my hands, and she got it out. Oh

1:05:55

my God. I've never done it before, but

1:05:57

I was like, I think this is what.

1:06:00

to get it out of there. Well, I

1:06:02

guess we can't count on Eli. He just

1:06:04

is like, oh, and he just hit it.

1:06:06

Well, he, and then when I grab her,

1:06:08

he ran out to get the paramedic and

1:06:11

the paramedic came in and she was like,

1:06:13

I'm fine now. And I'm like, covered and

1:06:15

threw up. I'm like, she's fine. She was

1:06:17

choking. She was choking. She was choking. Well,

1:06:20

that's, oh my God. It was pretty wild.

1:06:22

I've never, I don't even know if I

1:06:24

don't even know if I was really know

1:06:26

if I was really doing it was really

1:06:28

doing it was really doing it was really

1:06:31

doing it was really doing it. It was

1:06:33

really doing it. It worked. It worked. It

1:06:35

worked. It worked. But I didn't know what

1:06:37

I was doing it. I thought like, oh

1:06:40

shit, I should learn. You need to learn

1:06:42

that and learn how CPR. Yeah, and I've

1:06:44

been asking people on the street here if

1:06:46

they want to do practice CPR. And all

1:06:49

these dudes are like, no, and whatever. Can

1:06:51

I get your number? I'll try later. I'll

1:06:53

be coming right. Scotty. But isn't that crazy?

1:06:55

That isn't a lot. Surprise didn't include that

1:06:57

in coffee chat at the top of the

1:07:00

episode. I forgot about it until we were

1:07:02

just talking about crazy things. And I was

1:07:04

like, oh yeah, this just happened three days

1:07:06

ago. So anyway, well on that note, Arianna,

1:07:09

we hope you don't choke. Thanks for being

1:07:11

on. Holy fuck. Thank you so much for

1:07:13

having me. I hope I don't ever have

1:07:15

to save your life, I guess is my

1:07:18

point. Oh my goodness. We'll see in six

1:07:20

months in six months in London. Yes. You

1:07:22

are the best. Thank you for saying yes

1:07:24

to this. Enjoy the rest of your day.

1:07:26

Continue to love you all. Thank you. And

1:07:29

love and love the Ethan too, please. I

1:07:31

will. Love you guys. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye.

1:07:33

Bye. Bye. That was Ariana Grande. The Ariana

1:07:35

Grande. A pure delight. She's great. Yeah. She's

1:07:38

so funny, man. You know, that's what I

1:07:40

said. Like people don't know she's how funny

1:07:42

she is. Yeah. She's like. I mean, they

1:07:44

do now because Glinda was really funny. I

1:07:47

can't wait for people to discover how funny

1:07:49

you are. If you take that interrupt class

1:07:51

and you get yourself an agent, I bet

1:07:53

you get a guest spot or two or

1:07:55

three. And then people are going to say,

1:07:58

hey. Well, at the very least, I think

1:08:00

you'll get an agent. Yeah. Yeah. love to

1:08:02

see her do tons more acting. I think

1:08:04

that's what's gonna happen. I think she's gonna

1:08:07

do a straight acting gig will be next.

1:08:09

Yep, for sure. Yep, yep. And she's gonna

1:08:11

kill it. And she's just starting, right? She's

1:08:13

30, 31, something like that. Kind of amazing.

1:08:16

All of that success already. Yeah.

1:08:18

But has a great head on her

1:08:20

shoulders clearly and seems well suited for

1:08:22

all that's a common. Yeah, and you

1:08:24

know what a music a great musical thing

1:08:27

is. Oh, hang on a second Sean. Sean.

1:08:29

Sean. Do you want to cut in with

1:08:31

something? Because you're ready to get on it

1:08:33

and to get on the. He's got a

1:08:36

great one. I just thought maybe like it.

1:08:38

You know, if there's, have you ever

1:08:40

heard the expression like smell the

1:08:42

roses or just fucking just exist

1:08:45

and not act out in the moment

1:08:47

to get stuff done as quickly as

1:08:49

possible? I thought that you were

1:08:51

going to buy. Yeah, shut the hell

1:08:53

well. No, I'm teaching you a lesson.

1:08:55

Sean. Thank you. What do you got?

1:08:58

I was gonna I was gonna say

1:09:00

what? Here it comes. A musical that

1:09:02

I'd really like to see her and

1:09:04

you know, our body. Yes. Sorry, I

1:09:07

meant to say. Bye. Bye.

1:09:09

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1:09:11

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1:09:15

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