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Smart! Smart! Smart! Smart! I slept like

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a log. Yeah. Well, you were missed

2:39

last night. Lemon bun cake and rice

2:41

crispies really put me down. Oh, I

2:43

love that. We went back to the

2:46

bun cake, huh? Yeah. Who's what that?

2:48

Was that yours, honey? No, that was

2:50

a gift that somebody else brought in.

2:52

Yeah, you were missed. Well, I missed

2:54

it. Yeah, I'm sorry. I didn't come.

2:57

I had a dinner with the boys.

2:59

Yeah. By boys, I mean, my sons.

3:01

Yeah, we had a nice, just my

3:03

boys and me, which was really nice.

3:05

That's nice, isn't that nice? Did you

3:08

watch a movie? No, we watched a

3:10

little Sunday Night Football, which was fun.

3:12

All the snow. And then we did,

3:14

sorry. So then we did do, we

3:16

do movie night at night before bed.

3:19

The littles like to watch a little

3:21

movie. They call it movie night. Usually

3:23

ends up being, put a movie on

3:25

in my room on the bed, and

3:27

then it turns into fight. So last

3:30

night, Daddy hasn't hadn't seen... Star Wars

3:32

and he kept saying, what are you

3:34

talking about? This is the real movie.

3:36

We're like, I know, from moment one,

3:38

he's like, what's he doing? What's this

3:41

guy doing? Are there in a desk?

3:43

He literally at one point goes, this

3:45

is a great human, totally human pure

3:47

moment. He goes, that's a desert. And

3:49

we go, yeah, and he goes, there's

3:52

no see there. He goes, you know,

3:54

he goes, no, he goes, I'm thirsty.

3:56

I'm thirsty. It was so funny, it

3:58

was so funny, just right in that

4:00

moment to say that. So, wait, but

4:03

back to football, yesterday I was watching

4:05

football too, and I don't understand why

4:07

they, the guy, when they know they

4:09

have a camera on them, they just

4:11

hold one nostril and they blow it

4:14

out the other way. And it's so,

4:16

they're always on camera, just blowing their

4:18

nose out. It's like, just get a

4:20

clean ex. Oh, you're right. But why

4:22

do they all spit in baseball too?

4:25

I get the chewing tobacco and stuff,

4:27

but you know, only half the guys

4:29

are chewing tobacco now. It's just this,

4:31

but it's like, it's this weird like,

4:33

I'm a male, check it out, I

4:36

can spit. People on the street too,

4:38

that just like spit when they're like

4:40

kind of uncomfortable or they know eyes

4:42

are on them. It's like, yeah, I'm

4:44

a dude. People on a fucking golf

4:47

course to it. Guys, it's like, you're

4:49

not, you're not a real man guy,

4:51

you're not. you're playing golf. I was

4:53

in Germany with Scotty on a vacation

4:55

and I spit in public he didn't

4:58

talk to me the rest of the

5:00

day. Yeah. Like what's the matter with

5:02

you? Yeah we got a huge fight.

5:04

Now you've got an escape valve you

5:06

know what I mean if you think

5:09

about it. But like why would you

5:11

know you can you can swallow saliva

5:13

like it's built for that. Yeah but

5:15

if you have like if you have

5:17

to get it out what do you

5:20

do? But exactly but what what saliva

5:22

is saliva is so... Bad that you've

5:24

got to get it out put it

5:26

on the ground. Here's here's an interesting

5:28

tobacco I get it. Here's the air

5:31

is that knowing JB as well as

5:33

I do and that Sean and you

5:35

and I know almost as well as

5:37

anybody he could go either way with

5:39

that he could see somebody work up

5:42

like have some spit and swallow it

5:44

and go Gross why don't you just

5:46

get rid of it? Why would you?

5:48

Am I right about that? Yes, I

5:51

could argue both sides You think if

5:53

I was a lawyer I would of

5:55

course would I be a defense attorney

5:57

or a prosecutor? You would have been

5:59

a defense attorney or a prosecutor? You

6:02

would have been a defense attorney or

6:04

a prosecutor? You would have been both

6:06

You would have come in your honor.

6:08

I'm representing go blah blah blah blah

6:10

blah and you're about you go intake

6:13

you're about to make it important he'll

6:15

go having said that and you're like

6:17

oh you're going to argue the other

6:19

side yeah yeah we're going to get

6:21

through our guest right now but Jay

6:24

Jason told I'm never heard that story

6:26

unless you told and I don't remember

6:28

and we don't have to tell it

6:30

right now but Jason was doing a

6:32

play and he bought The cast. Oh

6:35

my god, that story. I was trying

6:37

to remember what story I told you

6:39

last night. God, it was so funny.

6:41

I've said that on this before. Really?

6:43

I don't remember. Anyway, some horrible example

6:46

of what a fucking monster I was

6:48

in my early 20s. Did we talk

6:50

about last time the thing that we're

6:52

not going to talk about yet? We

6:54

did, right? I don't know, I'm just

6:57

going along. The stuff that we're looking

6:59

into doing with, did we... Oh, I

7:01

don't know, you guys are in control.

7:03

We didn't actually talk about it, did

7:05

we? No, we're, that we're, we've decided

7:08

to... That we're planning on doing something,

7:10

we're really excited, we don't want to

7:12

say yet, but we are excited about

7:14

something, as gross as that sounds. Very

7:16

gross. Right for a while we sort

7:19

of and kind of like when we

7:21

were thinking about going on tour we're

7:23

like hey should we do that blah

7:25

blah blah so then we're like should

7:27

we do something And then we've sort

7:30

of zeroed in on something that we

7:32

are gonna do within the smartless world

7:34

that we're really excited about. We can't

7:36

really say it yet and sorry we're

7:38

not sort of teasing it on purpose

7:41

to not make you guess, but it

7:43

is something that we are excited about

7:45

and when it finally comes to fruition.

7:47

So kind of bear with us, but

7:49

it's something pretty cool and it feels

7:52

really organic to what we do. Right.

7:54

But first we're gonna say hello. Yes.

7:56

We're huge fans of our guest today,

7:58

not just as prolific work, but the

8:00

man behind the empire is a dear

8:03

friend to all of us. A self-proclaimed

8:05

weird kid, his favorite holiday was Halloween,

8:07

after graduating from Vassar. His career started

8:09

as a realist thing in Manhattan before

8:11

working his way up at a major

8:14

movie studio today He's a three-time Academy

8:16

Award nominated a great two-time prime time

8:18

time time award winning and a three-time

8:20

Peabody Award winning his company for which

8:22

he is CEO and founders considered the

8:25

driving force one of the last genres

8:27

to get people into the theaters He's

8:29

our brilliant friend Jason We're doing it.

8:31

We're finally doing it. This is a,

8:33

this is a very, very important day

8:36

for me. This is, everybody just take

8:38

it easy right now. Well, no, it's

8:40

not probably the listeners who are as

8:42

excited as I am. Because, you know,

8:44

what I'd like to share, you know,

8:47

with all your fans. And by the

8:49

way, I have, I guess, like all

8:51

your guestmen listening, like... The way not

8:53

to sell your product is literally the

8:55

last five minutes is exactly you You

8:58

basically said we're doing something someday. We're

9:00

gonna tell you about it. I mean,

9:02

I've never I mean we're stupid It

9:04

was it was it was humble which

9:06

is why which is why I'm which

9:09

is why I'm which is why I'm

9:11

very happy to be here to kind

9:13

of help you with your chocolate bars.

9:15

You know what you're like selling one

9:17

of your movies. It's like like like

9:20

buying a billboard and just having it

9:22

just be blonde We might make a

9:24

scary movie, it might come out someday,

9:26

and I'm not telling you what it's

9:28

called. By the way, effective. Yeah, but

9:31

for my sister, who may not know

9:33

you, but knows the name of your

9:35

company, Blumhouse, Blumhouse makes all the hit

9:37

horror films you've ever seen, and it's

9:39

all because of you. Every horror film

9:42

out there is basically, every hit horror

9:44

film is basically a blum house. You're

9:46

saying horror, horror, right? Horror, horror, scary.

9:48

I just got to get something off

9:50

my mind first though, before I start

9:53

talking about horror. I just, because you

9:55

guys are being really, you know, polite,

9:57

which I appreciate it, but I think

9:59

it's important for all your gazillions of

10:01

listeners to know that I know all

10:04

of you individually. Yes. I've known Jason

10:06

the longest, but you know, we have

10:08

relationships, and I just, I think it's

10:10

important for everyone to know that individually

10:12

over the last, since, how long is

10:15

Marla's with two or three years? Five

10:17

years? Four and a half. Four and

10:19

a half years. I've probably over the

10:21

last four years sent a total of

10:23

15 emails, five to each of you,

10:26

every three or four months, timed separately,

10:28

banking. to be I am separately begging.

10:30

Now the harsh, the harshest response is

10:32

Jason just doesn't reply. I love to

10:34

promote the new movie on Smartless ghosting

10:37

me. No, not like that. I don't

10:39

think so. I changed my email address.

10:41

Which one? Not only emails and text,

10:43

you also have done individual lunches, dinners,

10:45

and collective dinners. And a collective dinner.

10:48

Yes, yes, yes. Lunches, collective dinners, and

10:50

everyone in my family and everyone in

10:52

my company knows, this has been the

10:54

golden chalice. So for me, I just

10:56

need to moment to let this wash

10:59

over me. This is a pinnacle. Forget

11:01

those dumb awards. This is a mountain.

11:03

I've been trying to climb for four

11:05

and a half years. The Ted Sarandos,

11:07

if you remember, when he went on

11:10

ice. said, you gotta put, they're gonna

11:12

put me on now. It's been two

11:14

years instead. I love that, I love

11:16

that, Blum said, forget the, the dumb

11:18

awards. He didn't say forget the money,

11:21

because you never forget the money, but

11:23

here's the one thing. Blum, let me

11:25

say this, let me say this. Don't

11:27

forget the money. Two, never forget the

11:29

money. Two things. One is this. You've

11:32

known Jason the longest, but we met

11:34

longer ago than any of us. Oh

11:36

no, that's true. In the mid-90s, we

11:38

had a dinner in which you spent

11:40

90% of it on the phone outside

11:43

in the East Village with your former

11:45

boss. Yes. Being berated. Being berated. The

11:47

other thing is, I noticed, you're wearing

11:49

your jacket, and one of the reasons

11:51

is because you've been sleeping outside. I

11:54

am still since the moment you showed

11:56

me your sleeping situation, Blum. I am

11:58

obsessed with it. And people use obsessed

12:00

with it. And people use obsessed, but

12:02

I'm literally obsessed. Why is through it?

12:05

I am through it. Walk us through

12:07

it. Please, if you can. My grandmother

12:09

lived in Northern California in Petaluma where

12:11

we still, we still, actually, I still

12:13

have, I still have that little, this

12:16

little house and it was, you know.

12:18

I don't know if it was before

12:20

air conditioning, but she didn't have air

12:22

conditioning and they had these things. I

12:24

guess in the 30s and 40s really

12:27

is one. It started called sleeping decks

12:29

and you would just kind of put

12:31

a mattress and sleep outside in the

12:33

summer to stay cool. And when I

12:35

went to go visit my grandmother, and

12:38

sleep outside in the summer to stay

12:40

cool. And when I went to go

12:42

visit my grandmother, I used to go

12:44

visit my grandmother, I used to go

12:46

visit my house and rusticangan. There's no

12:49

heat and my wife and I sleep

12:51

there every night and it feels great.

12:53

And now people don't realize California It

12:55

actually really does get really really cold.

12:57

Well it gets cool at night. Yeah

13:00

48 46 is about the coldest that

13:02

it gets I sleep with with with

13:04

a hat see my hat I sleep

13:06

with the hat on and I sleep

13:08

with I have you know sweats and

13:11

sweat pants I said, I said, how

13:13

do you sleep out here? And you

13:15

don't need a sound machine because right

13:17

next to the sleeping deck is a

13:19

creek. A little creek. There's a little

13:22

creek. So here's a little creek. There's

13:24

a little creek. There's water. And it's

13:26

right in the middle of Santa Monica.

13:28

And I said to them, I go,

13:30

and we were in there and I

13:33

was just blown away. And I go,

13:35

especially as a Canadian, I was really

13:37

impressed. And I was really impressed. Greatly,

13:39

yeah, I mean it doubles down because

13:41

what happens as soon as you wake

13:44

up from that freezing night? Then I

13:46

walk down, it's a balcony with an

13:48

outdoor stairway and I do a jump

13:50

in my cold plunge very quickly which

13:52

is very trendy and pathetic, but I

13:55

do it. And then I take a,

13:57

it's at what, 37 degrees? It's at

13:59

37, but I don't, I used to

14:01

stay in for a minute every morning.

14:04

Yeah. Vivi Nivo stays in for a

14:06

minute or something and I used to

14:08

say in for a minute every morning

14:10

and then I started getting sick like

14:12

every two weeks I was getting a

14:15

different sickness and I'm convinced it was

14:17

because I was doing that so now

14:19

I just go in for like five

14:21

seconds wakes me up And then I

14:23

jump into a warm shower and I'm

14:26

on my one to school. Now couldn't

14:28

all of this be solved by just

14:30

opening the windows in your main bedroom?

14:32

Yeah, just open the windows. Doesn't, not

14:34

the same at all. Not the same.

14:37

Oh, not at all. Not at all.

14:39

Because every, not at all. Because every,

14:41

all, not at all. Because every, all,

14:43

not at all. Because every, all, not

14:45

at all. Because every, all, because. Because

14:48

every, all, all, because, because, all, because

14:50

every so, because every, all, because every

14:52

so, all, because every so, all, all,

14:54

because every so, all, because every so,

14:56

all, every so, all, because every so,

14:59

all, every so, all, all, because every

15:01

so, every so, every so, all, all,

15:03

all, every so, all, every so, every,

15:05

all, every, all, every, every, all, every,

15:07

all, every, all, all, all, all, Right,

15:10

sorry, a five guys, every time they

15:12

open a new five guys, you'd sleep

15:14

outside. Way more dope. Yeah, I got

15:16

so excited, I was, I'd starve myself.

15:18

Now, Jason, the eccentricities don't, don't stop

15:21

there. Let's talk to, let's, let's. to

15:23

Tracy about the traffic situation and the

15:25

parking situation in Los Angeles and how

15:27

you've managed to circumvent that problem. Right,

15:29

but before that, and yes, I want

15:32

to hear that, I just want to

15:34

tell Tracy like, you know, insidious, paranormal

15:36

activity, the purge, get out, it goes

15:38

on and on, I just want to

15:40

let. Get people. These are films that

15:43

Jason has produced is what you're trying

15:45

to say. That's right. That's right. Yeah.

15:47

It's responsible for all of these. Split,

15:49

Halloween, you left on a couple of

15:51

big Five Nights and Fridays, Megan. That's

15:54

right. So a couple of big ones.

15:56

The gift. Most importantly, the gift. But

15:58

I say all that because you can

16:00

accomplish all this because to Jason's question,

16:02

you have a van. I'm obsessed with

16:05

efficiency. I'm obsessed with efficiency. I'm obsessed

16:07

with it. Yes. And one of the

16:09

one of the things I was very

16:11

fixated on is I've always kind of

16:13

struggled with life in LA and whether

16:16

you know, whether you know, I always

16:18

I'm always I was very hot and

16:20

cold in LA, but one of the

16:22

things I really don't like is driving

16:24

and traffic and valet parking and parking

16:27

and all of that stuff. I really

16:29

much prefer public transportation. There was a

16:31

while when I lived downtown that I

16:33

took the subway in L.A. I would

16:35

take an Uber, this is an L.A.

16:38

You would, this is an L.A. You

16:40

take an, well, went right downtown, so

16:42

you take an Uber to the stop

16:44

in Santa Monica and then take the

16:46

train and then I could walk to

16:49

my house. Wow. That's a very L.A.

16:51

Way to take the subway. And I'm

16:53

in my second generation of them, but

16:55

when I... I always said if I

16:57

made a hit movie, I was going

17:00

to do this for myself. And the

17:02

first hit I had was paranormal activity,

17:04

and I went right out. I bought

17:06

myself to used Chevy Astro for 10,000

17:08

bucks. Now, at that time, this is

17:11

about 12 years ago, there were very

17:13

few minivans with a flat bottom. Go

17:15

ahead, Axel, I understand. Yeah. So this

17:17

was completely flat. And so we took

17:19

a minivan and I took it to

17:22

a guy who did car stereos and

17:24

gave him, I think, 20 grand or

17:26

I think the whole thing was 30,000

17:28

bucks. And he built an office in

17:30

the back. So I had a computer,

17:33

I had a keyboard, I had a

17:35

printer. That's crazy. And a screen went

17:37

up and down, all the windows closed.

17:39

So I would. Make it impossible for

17:41

myself to backseat drive. So I would

17:44

never say like I wish you take

17:46

I would never think about I wish

17:48

you were going this route or this

17:50

route of the traffic here the traffic

17:52

there because if you're in your thing

17:55

and you're working it doesn't matter if

17:57

it takes 20 minutes if it takes

17:59

30 minutes if it takes 30 minutes

18:01

You're it's like a waymo. Exactly. So

18:03

your rolling calls you're watching cuts your

18:06

your receiving faxing my email I'm printing

18:08

out my boarding pass you know you

18:10

could print out your little speech. And

18:12

there's no parking. What you did was

18:14

you painted on the side of this

18:17

van. What? Oh, I did. I painted.

18:19

It was a, and it said, it

18:21

said electric, it was an electric van,

18:23

but it said electric. Oh, commercial residential

18:25

electrician, yeah. So it looked like an

18:28

electrician. Blum power or something like that.

18:30

It looked like a commercial little handyman.

18:32

It looked like a handyman. Yeah, one

18:34

cone and you're good. You know who

18:36

used to do that. You know he

18:39

used to do that a lot and

18:41

was really effective for granted was the

18:43

stazzy, the secret police in his Germany

18:45

and they would drive around and it

18:47

would look like a bread truck and

18:50

they would nab people off the street

18:52

and stuff him in the back and

18:54

then take him to the stazzy headquarters

18:56

to torture him. So this is... The

18:58

second part is a movie, we don't

19:01

do that for me. I actually bought

19:03

speakers out of the back of some

19:05

guy's van at a gas station. I

19:07

tell you, that could have been the

19:09

guy who redid, who redid, he redid,

19:12

he redid, he redid, he redid, he

19:14

redid, he redid, he redid, he redid,

19:16

he had, he had, he had, he

19:18

had, he had, he had, he had,

19:20

he had, he had, he had, he

19:23

had, he had, he had, he had,

19:25

he had, he had, he had, he

19:27

had, he had, he had, he had,

19:29

he had, he had, No, otherwise it

19:31

wouldn't have been interesting. And they weren't

19:34

real, right? They were fake, they were

19:36

empty, right? Yeah, they were empty, totally.

19:38

Now, Jason, you say your struggles with

19:40

LA, that implies you came from somewhere

19:42

where Where is that place? Well, I

19:45

was born in LA. I lived here

19:47

till I was five, and then I

19:49

grew up in New York. I grew

19:51

up until 8th grade. I went to

19:53

public school in Dobbs Ferry in Westchester,

19:56

and then I went to boarding school

19:58

in Connecticut, which was very traumatic. And

20:00

then I went to Vassar and Poughkeepsie.

20:02

And then I lived in New York

20:04

for my first 10 years of... Motion

20:07

picture shenanigans. I lived in New York

20:09

from in the 90s. I graduated in

20:11

1991 So I was there from 91

20:13

to 2000 and then I moved to

20:15

LA in 2000 and I've always thought

20:18

about moving back But I never really

20:20

but you didn't but when you moved

20:22

first until and you alluded to the

20:24

fact you lived downtown for a while

20:26

you lived in a hotel You you

20:29

never wanted to commit. I lived at

20:31

the writs. Yeah, it was great. I

20:33

love still own the apartment if anyone

20:35

wants to buy cannot sell that thing

20:37

for the life What about the traffic

20:40

about Laker games and stuff though Like

20:42

when they were building crypto and or

20:44

staples or whatever. Oh, Laker Games was

20:46

amazing because I had a meat, I

20:48

had gray parking, I guess park at

20:51

my house. Like if you could, well

20:53

I didn't, really, I'm not really go

20:55

to the Lakers, but you can go,

20:57

I could go to Staples to see

20:59

shows. Yeah, but you couldn't get in

21:02

and out. Yeah, I loved it. It

21:04

was great. It was rare. I know

21:06

what you mean, like if I was

21:08

coming back and there was a Lakers

21:10

game. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it wasn't. Yeah,

21:13

it wasn't. It wasn't. It wasn't that

21:15

bad. Now do you not miss like

21:17

the idea? It just sounds so ideal.

21:19

First of all, I've seen the Vassar

21:21

campus, and it's incredibly beautiful. I can

21:24

only imagine the boarding school in Connecticut

21:26

was also gorgeous. Like when you moved

21:28

out here to Los Angeles, did you

21:30

not miss? Because we're recording this in

21:32

the wintertime here in LA. Back East,

21:35

do you not miss all of that?

21:37

Yes, that's what I'm saying. I struggle

21:39

with living in LA. I miss it

21:41

terribly. We're in Connecticut for the summer.

21:43

I made a deal with my wife.

21:46

My wife kind of prefers LA, but

21:48

we made a deal that when school

21:50

holidays we go to the East Coast.

21:52

So for all summer I get to

21:54

be on the East Coast, which I

21:57

love. But where you live in LA

21:59

is like, feels like the East Coast.

22:01

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to the show You know what because

25:03

you're a real estate agent. That's so

25:05

funny by the way I didn't

25:07

know that. Uh-huh. Wait what? He was

25:09

a real I was a licensed real

25:12

estate agent when? In New York.

25:14

I did it for Cromen real estate.

25:16

1992, 1993. Yeah, Cromer. It was an

25:18

amazing job. In New York City. In

25:21

New York City. That was after

25:23

I sold cable TV. First, I sold

25:25

cable TV door-to-door commission only and made

25:27

29 bucks a sale. That's it.

25:29

You only made money if you sold

25:32

someone cable. For Time Warner? In Chicago.

25:34

No, prime cable of Chicago. Yeah.

25:36

Prime cable of Chicago. Yeah. I loved

25:38

commission-only jobs. And that's why, and the

25:41

movies are the same thing. I don't

25:43

get paid on our movies. I

25:45

only get paid if the movies work.

25:48

And that started. when I was really

25:50

young, you know, doing shoveling driveways,

25:52

and actually shoveling driveways is a good

25:54

example of it, is if I had

25:57

to work for a landscaper and

25:59

you get like, you know, five bucks

26:01

an hour, or you could go shovel

26:03

driveways and say, well, do your whole

26:06

driveway give me ten bucks or

26:08

fifteen bucks, and I always, I hated

26:10

getting paid for the exact work that

26:12

I did. Right, right. So when

26:14

everyone else was a waiter was a

26:17

waiter, I sold cable because I'm like,

26:19

I can make more money if

26:21

just pay me for the sales. And

26:23

the same thing with the real estate,

26:26

when everyone else was a real estate

26:28

agent, because you only got paid

26:30

if you rented people apartments. And I

26:32

always loved sales. That's cool. That's wild.

26:35

I still love sales. Because you

26:37

have the person, you have that, you're

26:39

such an amazing personality that I wondered

26:41

if you, how did that kind

26:43

of. age you and what when you

26:46

crossed over to producing because you're such

26:48

you're so personable everybody loves yeah

26:50

thank you thank you the best I

26:52

always say that think the best training

26:55

I ever got for being a producer

26:57

was was real estate because you

26:59

get it's the same as being an

27:01

actor you get rejected all the time

27:04

so most people don't rent the

27:06

apartment right most most movies you don't

27:08

get most movies you don't get made

27:10

so it got you very It

27:12

gets you very used to being rejected

27:15

and just keep, you just got to

27:17

keep trying. They're very similar to acting,

27:19

you got to keep trying and

27:22

keep trying. It is sales. Then it

27:24

works, it's sales. Every part of this

27:26

business is sales unless you, unless

27:28

you just save a studio job and

27:31

you're on the buying side. But even

27:33

them, they're selling, they're selling, they're,

27:35

they want directors, they don't necessarily want

27:37

to do. They want actors to do

27:40

things. don't necessarily want to act in

27:42

right they want their boss to

27:44

make a movie the boss doesn't necessarily

27:46

want to make yeah so it's on

27:49

it's everyone's selling everyone's selling to

27:51

a certain degree and your company is

27:53

so big now you're doing both sales

27:55

and you're buying and selling at

27:57

the same time right yeah we do

28:00

buy it all the time trying to

28:02

sort of sell you a pitch on

28:04

something and you've got to make

28:06

a decision and do you like toggling

28:09

back and forth between that I do.

28:11

I do. I like toggling back

28:13

and forth. Fine. Would you get a

28:15

bumper sticker that says I'd like to

28:18

toggle? I'd rather be toggling. I

28:20

actually paint that on my van. I

28:22

like to be toggled. I'm like Jason.

28:24

I like to do both sides. I

28:27

like to do both sides. Toggling

28:29

electric. Toggling electric. The long loss switch.

28:31

Let me ask you this. Okay, I

28:33

want to get into this. What

28:35

is the current. comedy. I remember about

28:38

a year and a half ago or

28:40

something we had lunch and I

28:42

said, can we do make a comedy?

28:44

You said, there's no money in it.

28:47

And I said, really, I mean, you,

28:49

in effect, you said that. The

28:51

state of movies. There's no money for

28:53

me in it. There's no money for

28:56

you in it. Right. Yeah. I

28:58

don't know. I got it. I read

29:00

that. But what is what is the

29:03

state of theatrical films. on this

29:05

planet right now from your perspective. Can

29:07

people still make them? Can they make

29:09

money? Do people want to go and

29:12

see them? Okay, let's just clear

29:14

the record. On the comedy, my response

29:16

was not, I can't make money in

29:18

it, although that is true. But

29:20

the reason that we don't do comedy

29:23

is because you, I don't, I think

29:25

horror really works. You don't need

29:27

a, you don't need massive, massive stars

29:29

for theatrical. Sure. Horror. Yeah, because it's

29:32

about the idea. TV, comedy, different things.

29:34

But for comedy, for a comedy

29:36

to work, comedy is just very hard

29:38

to work in movie theaters. There's so

29:41

much great comedy. All of you

29:43

guys have been part of. a lot

29:45

of it on television. Horror doesn't really

29:47

work on TV. There's a lot

29:49

of great comedy on TV, so to

29:52

make, and for comedy to work theatrically,

29:54

I still think it's very hard anyway,

29:56

and you need a huge star,

29:58

so that it becomes expensive. And there

30:01

was a time, as you know. I

30:03

don't like making expensive movies. As

30:05

we know, there was a time, especially

30:07

in the early odds, where there were

30:10

a ton of big comedy films,

30:12

driven by big stars, but as we

30:14

know, especially if we go back and

30:16

look at a lot of a lot

30:19

of a lot of them. I've

30:21

always maintained it's hard to make a

30:23

good comedy film because of the nature

30:25

of making film does not lend

30:27

itself to that element of surprise, etc.

30:30

In television, you have to make it

30:32

quickly, you have to keep moving,

30:34

and so it works for comedy in

30:37

that way. Making movies can be often

30:39

tedious and quite boring. A. But, so

30:41

it's funny that the comedy works

30:43

on TV and horror does not and

30:46

vice versa. But what about the state

30:48

of theatrical movies, of film? Well,

30:50

this is constantly on my mind and

30:52

I actually texted Aaron this morning, you

30:55

know, who runs all the AMC

30:57

theaters because they had their biggest, their

30:59

biggest weekend ever. And I keep trying,

31:01

I've been asking everyone. I trust on

31:04

that, like is this like an

31:06

anomaly or do you think? Yeah, but

31:08

look at what, but look at what

31:10

worked. It's, it's wicked, which was

31:12

an IP already established for 20 years.

31:15

Yeah. Gladiator 2, which was a massive

31:17

movie, Moana, which was an institution

31:19

in and of itself. Two sequels. Well,

31:21

that's different. If you're saying, or people

31:24

don't want original movies, like they say

31:26

that they want them, but actually

31:28

speak louder than words. That's right. Familiarity.

31:30

The reason they're all sequels and remakes

31:33

that that's what they want. That's

31:35

what that's what the audience is. The

31:37

audience is showing up to that consistently

31:39

consistently and even more so now

31:41

if you look at horror this year

31:44

one horror movie in 12 months Really

31:46

hit original there were a six

31:48

or seven sequels that work, but one

31:50

original horror I don't think would you

31:53

have to go long legs Yeah, I

31:55

don't think I think I think

31:57

you'd have to go back ten years

31:59

for for To see to see where

32:02

only one original horror movie worked.

32:04

I mean, it's uh, have there been

32:06

any outliers in terms of films that

32:08

horror and or otherwise that have

32:10

done well in the last let's say

32:13

since the pandemic, since 2020, in the

32:15

last four and a half years. Anything?

32:18

Well, yeah, we've, our high, five

32:20

nights at Freddy's was last year's, our

32:22

highest grossing movie of all time. Wow.

32:24

And that was a, so that,

32:26

that was the original. No, it's based

32:29

on a game. Based on an IP,

32:31

yeah. Based on a game. Based

32:33

on a game. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

32:35

But that did 300, that did 300

32:38

million. You know quiet place was this

32:40

year those were those were all

32:42

post pandemic it horror franchises are Latin

32:44

like I said in city we had

32:47

our insidious five last year was

32:49

the highest grossing insidious movie of all

32:51

five of them and that was and

32:53

it was the most insidious most

32:55

of the five far the most I'm

32:58

sure I'm sure you've seen all five

33:00

of the farther with the most instead

33:02

of most. So hey so Jason

33:04

without getting too much into the weeds

33:07

for folks like Tracy can you speak

33:09

what do you think the current

33:11

appetite is in the business for these

33:13

sort of these trick deals where instead

33:16

of an act of getting paid

33:18

a bunch of money up front like

33:20

when you're talking about this scenario with

33:22

comedies where by having a big star

33:25

in there it becomes sort of

33:27

cost prohibitive But I think some actors,

33:29

Cameron Diaz is one of the famous

33:31

ones that did it for teacher.

33:33

Bad teacher. Bad teacher. Where she basically

33:36

didn't take a lot of money up

33:38

front, but then had this definition

33:40

for the back end of a profit

33:42

participant where if the film did really

33:45

well, she got paid a lot of

33:47

money and she did. Because I

33:49

know your model, without getting into stuff

33:52

you may or may not want to

33:54

talk about, you are, you seem

33:56

to be open to this type of

33:58

structure in the interest of trying to

34:01

get as many at bats as

34:03

possible in the hopes of finding a

34:05

great movie. Well, no, it's more than

34:07

that. Like that's our main tenant of

34:10

our entire business, is no one

34:12

gets paid up front, including us, just

34:14

like my... real estate and just like

34:16

my just like my cable TV

34:18

like no one gets paid or you

34:21

get paid minimum scale and if the

34:23

movie works okay you get paid

34:25

okay and if the movie works really

34:27

well you should get paid more than

34:30

you've ever made before that's all right

34:32

whole I wrote business The toggle

34:34

business is also an if-come business, by

34:36

the way. It's a fantastic give-come business.

34:39

Yes. But I remember you saying

34:41

that. I remember you blum talking about

34:43

who I won't name, but an actor

34:45

that you, who was in one

34:47

of your films in the last five,

34:50

ten years, who's a well-known actor, who

34:52

you said, they made more money doing

34:54

this, they took nothing up front,

34:56

they made more money doing this than

34:59

they'd made on anything else. They'd ever

35:01

done. Yeah. and take a gamble.

35:03

And you didn't mind doing that, right?

35:05

You didn't mind writing those checks to

35:08

that actor. The greatest thing I

35:10

can ever do is if I write

35:12

the biggest check to anyone's ever made

35:14

on my way. It's like it's like

35:17

it's like complaining about paying a

35:19

lot of taxes. Like if you're paying

35:21

a lot of taxes, things are going

35:23

well. Yeah. So then why do

35:25

you think that's not more universally embraced?

35:28

Well, it is. So I wrote an

35:30

article in the New York Times.

35:32

It was an op ed. I was

35:35

very proud of it. I was very

35:37

proud of it. I was very proud

35:39

of it. I was very proud

35:41

of it. And or I'll read it

35:44

to you. For New York Times. And

35:46

it was all about the fact

35:48

that I believe in my in my

35:50

if there's one There are no rules

35:53

to making movies and TV shows

35:55

in my mind except one which is

35:57

if if people have equity in what

35:59

they're making as opposed to being paid

36:02

up front what they're making is

36:04

better. It just is. And that his

36:06

view has been very out of fashion

36:08

until the streaming correction, which happened

36:10

about 18 months ago. But to put

36:13

it in very broad terms, starting in

36:15

about 2010, there was an enormous

36:17

amount of money. Wall Street gave not

36:19

just Netflix, but all the streamers, money

36:22

not based on their profit. but based

36:24

on subscriber numbers. And the way

36:26

to get subscriber numbers was to spend

36:28

more and more and more and more.

36:31

And so the industry as a

36:33

whole spent more money than it was

36:35

making because it wasn't using profit as

36:37

a metric. You with me? Yeah.

36:39

18 months ago, when Netflix stock dropped,

36:42

it's now back to beyond what it

36:44

was before, which is going to tie

36:46

into what I'm saying. But 18

36:48

months ago, Wall Street decided, that's dumb.

36:51

Streaming companies and media companies need to

36:53

be like every other company, which

36:55

means they need to take in more

36:57

money than they spend. So we're no

37:00

longer going to reward you for

37:02

streaming numbers or anything else or what

37:04

you might eventually make in streaming. We're

37:07

going to reward you for what

37:09

actually makes money. So that all the

37:11

people who make content had to take

37:13

a much closer look at their budgets,

37:16

and the budgets are now all

37:18

coming down a lot. And the quickest,

37:20

most effective way to bring a budget

37:22

down is to pay the people

37:24

who make the most money, which are

37:27

the actors, the writers, the directors, the

37:29

producers, people who make the most

37:31

money, much less, unless the thing that

37:33

they make makes money. And that's what's,

37:36

and that's, that's, that's now. But the

37:38

trick with streaming is that the

37:40

ability to calculate what, what a profit

37:42

is, becomes vague, yes. But it's, that's,

37:45

that's such. gobblee-gook. It's the easiest

37:47

thing in the world to create. You

37:49

just, they have the data of everything.

37:51

You just have to decide. A

37:53

penny a minute, a penny an hour.

37:56

What it doesn't, it's so, that is.

37:58

Whatever, everybody, everybody universally decides on. It's

38:00

way easier to make up a

38:02

profit definition. Yes. Here's the other thing

38:05

that's interesting about it. Go ahead. No,

38:07

I don't know. I think this

38:09

is a great area. This is the

38:11

other thing. And I think that, you

38:14

know, it's pretty cynical in the

38:16

sense that the streamers. Like you said,

38:18

we're giving, you know, exorbitant amounts of

38:20

cash to try to do that, to

38:23

grow their business and to get

38:25

subs. Well, it turns out that they

38:27

figured out within that time, and this

38:29

is probably five years ago, they

38:31

realized when they started to offer things,

38:34

they started to offer ad. customers. Add

38:36

supported customers. They realized that their

38:38

ad supported customer was worth more to

38:40

them than a subscriber. That they would

38:43

get more return on. And so eventually

38:45

what the consumer doesn't understand that

38:47

eventually we are going to be going

38:50

back to the old formula from before.

38:52

Yeah. So we're just coming to

38:54

the tail end of this huge fucking

38:56

cycle that was. virtually meaningless. And now

38:59

we're back to ad supported viewing

39:01

is gonna be the thing that they

39:03

are going after, etc. Am I right?

39:05

Streaming is just basically, it's basically an

39:08

electrified VCR. That's all it did.

39:10

You can watch anything whenever you want,

39:12

but otherwise it's gonna be like it

39:14

was before. I don't know if

39:16

I totally agree with that, but a,

39:19

but a, but a, it's, it's, it's,

39:21

it's, it's changed. It's changed a

39:23

lot and it's changed not very much.

39:25

I do agree with, I do agree

39:28

with most. Yeah, because all the people

39:30

that work at the streamers worked

39:32

at the networks. Well, that's true. Almost

39:34

all the same people. Well, that culture,

39:37

that culture is shifted and all

39:39

that stuff that they said that that

39:41

separated them and made them different at

39:43

all the streamers now Does not

39:45

separate them or make them different and

39:48

it's very very difficult. Well, but hang

39:50

on. I mean, we're talking about something

39:52

that for the most part is

39:54

subscriber supported. The the ad. viewer is

39:57

a small fraction of that and they

39:59

want it to be bigger. Not

40:01

as a part of the general population

40:03

because people still watch a lot of

40:06

network TV but as for streaming

40:08

ad supported streaming is a smaller piece

40:10

than subscription. Yeah and it's still hard

40:12

to argue with you know having 250

40:15

million people spending 15 dollars a

40:17

month is a pretty yummy business if

40:19

you can retain those people month after

40:22

month after month after month and

40:24

it really is it's a retention business

40:26

there it's not an ad selling business

40:28

it's well you know it's it'll

40:30

be it'll be both you'll have and

40:33

and by the way movies are are

40:35

different than in a different category than

40:37

when you guys are talking about

40:39

studios different but there will be a

40:42

bunch of people a bunch of subscribers

40:44

paying a premium for no ads

40:46

and then there'll be a bunch of

40:48

people watching watching programming with ads for

40:51

either less or no money. Yeah.

40:53

Jamie, I don't disagree with you. What

40:55

I'm saying is that that is what

40:57

they have decided that they want to

41:00

move towards because it is more

41:02

profitable. And I guarantee you, all of

41:04

them are going to do, going to

41:06

tend towards the thing that is

41:08

more profitable. It's what they want. If

41:11

it was more profitable, then why wouldn't

41:13

linear television be in better health?

41:15

Well, there are, because there are things

41:17

that are showing up to be that

41:20

are proving that, which, which are things

41:22

like Toobee and all these sort

41:24

of fast channels type things these are

41:26

proving to be really effective ways that

41:29

people are watching stuff who don't

41:31

want to have to pay the subscriber

41:33

Monthly fee and who are willing to

41:35

to watch ads And that kind

41:37

of stuff that stuff is growing it's

41:40

all about what's available Do I have

41:42

TV? That's a long callback. That is

41:44

like a three-year callback. Your callback.

41:46

Jason Blum. I want to talk about

41:49

your stuff because I'm a fan. And

41:51

so first of all, I want

41:53

it to start. Your guest? He's got

41:55

17 million questions for you. I do,

41:58

I do. Parental activity is one

42:00

of my favorite movies. I watched it

42:02

a year ago with my nieces. Yep,

42:05

quote it. Well, just, I could

42:07

talk about it all day long. And

42:09

then start. Okay. You keep saying you're

42:11

like a rapper who goes I'm gonna

42:14

rock the microphone wait till I

42:16

get on the money You're like, okay,

42:18

you've got the microphone do it. When

42:20

I get on the microphone, I'm

42:22

really gonna then fucking do it That's

42:25

how I fell about this mystery product

42:27

Yeah, yeah, I know that's true.

42:29

Fair enough. Fair enough Oh, by the

42:31

way, I'm a hypocr in my core

42:34

Wasn't it true that the studio wanted

42:36

you to remake it or they

42:38

didn't like it or whatever and how

42:40

did you convince them that they had

42:43

gold and all that kind of

42:45

stuff? Tell me of my activity. Yeah.

42:47

I'll do that. Isn't that the one

42:49

that kind of launched it? But

42:51

yeah yeah that was what launched the

42:54

launch the company but uh. I had

42:56

a guy, this very sweet fellow who

42:58

I'm still friends with, and a

43:00

very good producer, a guy named Stephen

43:03

Schneider, and he was a horror expert.

43:05

I had a deal at Paramount,

43:07

and he had a deal with us,

43:09

and we had a deal with them.

43:12

And Paramount, you know, whatever, was

43:14

ignoring me. And this guy Stephen showed

43:16

me this movie. Show me paranormal activity

43:18

and I saw it like you know

43:21

on a DVD at my house

43:23

what and it'd been it'd been you

43:25

know at a couple festivals and whatever

43:27

and You were living in New

43:29

York at the time. I was no

43:32

it was living on Sunset Plaza in

43:34

my in my bachelor pad on

43:36

Sunset Plaza before I moved downtown and

43:39

And and exactly and I had passed

43:41

on Blair witch project like I can't

43:43

believe that and now you're remaking

43:45

it. Yes. We're trying. We're trying. We're

43:48

trying. We're trying. We're trying. But yeah

43:50

I passed on it and I

43:52

was never like my boss just was

43:54

like you idiot for a year you

43:57

know a year I had to

43:59

listen to that but when I saw

44:01

paranormal I had this like Oh my

44:03

God, what if this is Blair Witch?

44:06

And I didn't say like this

44:08

movie is going to be, I didn't

44:10

think the movie is going to be

44:12

anything and what it turned out

44:14

to be, but I definitely thought there

44:17

was something to it and I thought

44:19

it was worth screening in front

44:21

of an audience. That's what I learned

44:23

from Blair Witch, is if you see

44:26

anything somewhat that might be good thrown

44:28

in front of an audience. Yes,

44:30

because you love testing. I love testing.

44:32

Yeah. So, um, so anyway, I, I,

44:35

I, the smile on his face

44:37

when you said, no, but you, it's

44:39

true, I've heard you talk about that,

44:41

like, my dream. Yeah, I, I

44:43

don't like friends and family testing. I

44:46

like, testing. I like, testing. I don't

44:48

like friends and family testing. I like,

44:50

testing. You know, testing, you know,

44:52

real objective. back ever, yeah. Yeah, yeah,

44:55

yeah. So anyway, I have an, I

44:57

have an, you know, this, this

44:59

itch I want to scratch on this

45:01

movie and I met the director and

45:04

he had basically sold it to

45:06

a, he sold it for a hundred

45:08

grand directed DVD to IFC, by the

45:10

way, who never forget, guy named Jonathan

45:13

Searing was there at the time,

45:15

he never forgave me for this. because

45:17

I said it's a deal done. He

45:20

said, no, it's not done, but

45:22

I think I'm going to just sell

45:24

it for a hundred grand. I said,

45:26

I think the movie should be

45:28

in theaters. I told him the book,

45:31

which story? I said, give me a

45:33

cut of whatever you make after you

45:35

make $500,000. So I'm not going

45:37

to cost you anything unless I make

45:40

five times the money you've already made.

45:42

Then I want a piece, but

45:44

until then, nothing, and let me come

45:46

on partner, and partner, see if I

45:49

can't it's not done. do the

45:51

movie with the audience like I want

45:53

to do. It's very clear if you

45:55

see the movie with an audience. It's

45:58

going to be a crazy hit.

46:00

It's very clear. But I'm the, you

46:02

know, schmuck producer. I call everyone and

46:04

say, you got to watch this

46:06

movie with an audience. They say, well,

46:09

we've already seen it. We had got

46:11

the DVD here. It's sitting on

46:13

my assistance desk and the movie. Exactly.

46:15

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disease. prevent any disease. All right, back

49:30

to the show. So three years

49:32

into this, I All right, back

49:34

to the show. Paramount won't

49:37

three years into this, you

49:39

know, and I get, it won't

49:41

return my calls, crazy that the

49:44

and wound up with drives me crazy that

49:46

the movie wound up with them

49:48

because they hated the movie forever.

49:50

But I get Dreamworks. guy, Adam Goodman. and I

49:52

know you know know Adam. You remember

49:54

know right? Adam. Yeah, course. right? guy. guy

49:56

a couple a movies with movies. Yeah Adam

49:58

and Ashley Brox and there were at Dreamworks and they

50:01

had really into the movie I give

50:03

them credit for that and they said

50:05

well but we're gonna remake the movie

50:07

you know we'll put famous people in

50:09

the movie movies have found footage movies

50:11

so I don't know how it could

50:13

work with famous people but right I

50:16

say this is my my my my

50:18

flash of brilliance of which I've had

50:20

you know two in my career but

50:22

this was one of them and And

50:24

I said, I said, I will, first

50:26

of all, you got to pay me

50:28

150 grand because I need more than

50:30

100 for Oran, so I got to

50:33

get him an extra 50 grand. Second,

50:35

you got to put the original movie

50:37

on the DVD. When we remake the

50:39

new movie, you got to put the

50:41

original movie on that DVD because I

50:43

wanted out there somewhere. Oh, wow. Third,

50:45

you have to test the original parental

50:47

activity. You have to test screen the.

50:50

film in Burbank with 300 people and

50:52

you, Adam, and it was Stacey Snyder,

50:54

his boss, and Stacey Snyder, you guys

50:56

have to be there and not because

50:58

I want to release the movie, because

51:00

if I said that, they would have

51:02

said, you're an idiot. I said, because

51:04

when we remake the movie, I want

51:07

to invite the writers who are going

51:09

to write the remake and I want

51:11

all you executives to be there with

51:13

the writers so we can decide which

51:15

parts we're going to redo and which

51:17

parts we're going to leave. I love

51:19

that. I love that. And then I

51:21

said to the director, Orin, who I

51:24

give the Orin so much credit for

51:26

sticking with me all this time, you

51:28

know, three years into this. He had

51:30

a 150 grand three years ago. He's

51:32

still, he's sleeping in my guest house

51:34

for half the time. He was in

51:36

San Diego, but he used to sleep

51:38

in my guest house all the time

51:41

for all these dumb meetings we would

51:43

have where people would say the movies

51:45

doesn't work. And I said to Orin,

51:47

Orin, Orin, I will bet you know,

51:49

you, you, you know, you know, you

51:51

know, you know, you know, you know,

51:53

you know, you know, you know, you

51:55

know, you know, you know, you know,

51:58

you know, you know, you know, you

52:00

know, you know, you know, you know,

52:02

you know, you know, you know, you

52:04

know, you know, you know, you know,

52:06

you know, you know, you know, you

52:08

know, you know, Watch this movie with

52:10

a recruited audience, which I was impossible

52:12

to do. If you watch this movie

52:15

with a recruited audience, they're never going

52:17

to talk about the remake again. Just

52:19

trust me. And by the way, worst

52:21

case scenario, if they do, you're going

52:23

to get a buck 50 instead of

52:25

a hundred, so it's no loose. And

52:27

I still remember, Orrin, Stephen, and I

52:29

went to the screening and was in

52:32

Burbank and Stacey was there. And fucking

52:34

people went insane. And three people left

52:36

the theater because they were too scared.

52:38

And the movie ends in everyone goes

52:40

nuts. And Stacey, I will never forget

52:42

Stacey Snyder is at the bottom of

52:44

this. And she's literally, the writers were

52:46

there for the remake. They disappear. And

52:49

Stacey has the three of us pitching

52:51

us the 30-second TV spots of how

52:53

she's going to sell the movie. Wow.

52:55

The theatrical release as is. As this,

52:57

the remotes on the table and they,

52:59

and then Stephen gets, Spielberg gets, Spielberg

53:01

gets the results of the test, he

53:03

sees it like two days later, he

53:06

loves it. And Dreamworks is releasing our

53:08

movie. And then, in another thing, I'll,

53:10

I'm not, I won't go into it

53:12

now, but Dreamworks then and Paramount split

53:14

up and Dreamworks went to Disney. and

53:16

Disney Dreamworks could not have their first

53:18

release be paranormal activity. Right, right, right.

53:20

So we were saddled with Paramount and

53:23

another year of shenanigans, which is how

53:25

it wound up with them. No way,

53:27

another year from that moment. It was

53:29

a year. They said they weren't gonna

53:31

release it. We have, they blackmailed us,

53:33

they blackmailed us into releasing them. I've

53:35

never really been this straightforward about it,

53:37

but I will, I will be now.

53:40

We had, based off that test screening.

53:42

we were able to sell 5 million

53:44

bucks of international sales. So based off

53:46

the fact that it was going to

53:48

get a domestic release by a studio,

53:50

we had 5 million dollars in sales.

53:52

All the France and Germany, we sold

53:54

territory by territory, right? You're already in

53:57

profit. We had, oh my God, in

53:59

profit, by the movie cost 15 grand.

54:01

So, so, so, so, so, so, we

54:03

had 18 months to get the release,

54:05

which by the way, no problem. Stacey

54:07

and Stephen Spielberg loved the movie. Dreamworks

54:09

is releasing the movie. Boom. Disney were

54:11

a paramount. Paramount's like, we're not releasing

54:14

the movie. Wow. And it went on

54:16

and they, why were they opposed to

54:18

release? it. They thought it was a

54:20

piece of shit like everybody else. And

54:22

the only, the only, the only, um,

54:24

Savior was that when Disney and, um,

54:26

Dreamworks broke up Adam Goodman and Ashley,

54:28

Ashley Brooks moved from Dreamworks to Paramount.

54:31

So internally. They were doing what I

54:33

was doing on the outside. So on

54:35

the outside I was, and internally they

54:37

were saying, guys, you got to, but

54:39

everyone was saying to them, you guys

54:41

are insane, don't do this movie. And

54:43

basically what happened, in retrospect, history is

54:45

rewritten like they did this strategic smart

54:48

release. No. Adam and Ashley got them

54:50

to agree to pay a million bucks.

54:52

and P&A to do this tiny release

54:54

of the movie and we contributed like

54:56

I think five or six hundred they

54:58

came to us and say we'll only

55:00

put in a million if you take

55:02

500 of the five million you have

55:05

from international which we know you're gonna

55:07

lose in four months and you put

55:09

500 up and we'll put 500 up

55:11

and we'll put it in in 13

55:13

theaters demanded which was only that was

55:15

that the whole marketing thing was just

55:17

like how can we spend as little

55:19

money as possible to get this movie

55:22

out there I mean isn't it amazing

55:24

that exactly I've never really really told

55:26

that that part of the story it's

55:28

amazing but but but but it's isn't

55:30

it amazing that you have this thing

55:32

and what it takes to get people

55:34

to believe in it and you just

55:36

didn't stop and isn't it fascinating that

55:39

you can see it but the people

55:41

in charge can never see it Why

55:43

is that? Well, no, it's, you know,

55:45

those stories though, I mean, you guys

55:47

know these stories too. It's, it, I

55:49

have a little, like, it's always annoying

55:51

the story. There's so many stories of

55:53

I believed in it and no one,

55:56

nobody did it. Right, sure. The, the,

55:58

the, the, the. It favors the producer

56:00

so much because executives, their job is

56:02

to look at 400 things and pick

56:04

10. So they have to not believe

56:06

in 390 things. So it's not really

56:08

fair. Producer's job is to pick 20

56:10

things, believe in all of them, and

56:13

10 go, you know, whatever it is.

56:15

So I always think those stories are

56:17

kind of. Dopie and including this story

56:19

like oh, it's fascinating though. It's no

56:21

I don't but it's fascinating except that

56:23

it's not like I give myself credit

56:25

for that one thing of of You

56:27

know putting that language in the test

56:30

screening, but anyone any of you or

56:32

anyone if you saw the movie with

56:34

an audience Before it came out you

56:36

would know it was a hit that's

56:38

just I couldn't get anyone into the

56:40

theater Right, right. But there's no, there

56:42

was no genius of knowing that. But

56:44

you did, and it still took all

56:47

of that work to get it, you

56:49

know. Well, I had no clout. I

56:51

had no clout. You know, it's like

56:53

this little, you know, this guy with

56:55

no, like I had no track record.

56:57

I'd produced six independent movies. They were

56:59

all terrible. One was okay, and five

57:01

were horrible. So it was like, why

57:03

am I gonna waste my night and

57:06

be away from my kids by this

57:08

schmuck pretty, whenever one of my team

57:10

has seen the movie and they think

57:12

it's not good. Which by the way,

57:14

which I get too. Yeah. How under

57:16

the hood do you like to get

57:18

creatively as far as like script notes

57:20

and edit notes and all that's. I

57:23

hate being on set. I like running

57:25

my production company. Right. I give usually

57:27

a couple of notes on a script,

57:29

a few notes on a cut, depending

57:31

on the cut. Sometimes, sometimes, I give

57:33

more notes on the finished movie than

57:35

the script, but Cooper Samison, who you

57:37

know well, he's the, he's the, he's

57:40

the, he's the, we've been together 10

57:42

years and he, he really runs the

57:44

movie, he, no, he does run the

57:46

movie company and he is very, he

57:48

and his team. are extremely involved. What

57:50

would you say is your fastball then?

57:52

Like identifying a filmmaker, a concept, a

57:54

script, where do you think your greatest

57:57

talent lies? If it's not getting in

57:59

there under the hood, day-to-day, quality control,

58:01

etc., etc. Well, I'm a great picker.

58:03

I'm a good picker. I'm a very

58:05

good picker. I am a good picker.

58:07

So that is quality control. And I'm

58:09

a good seller. And I'm not talking

58:11

about, it's easy to raise money for

58:14

the movies now. I'm good at Talking

58:16

people into working for me, you know

58:18

working for us, you know, I'm good

58:20

at it But I have a it's

58:22

a good. It's an easy thing for

58:24

me It's an easy thing to sell

58:26

because I believe it I really believe

58:28

in our model and I believe in

58:31

the company and I believe the model

58:33

led leads to better works in shows

58:35

Yeah, and the only thing that I

58:37

was going to say is there's there's

58:39

really no other companies that just do

58:41

one thing and that's been a huge

58:43

advantage to us and now, you know,

58:45

the second the The second, the only

58:48

other company that really does just do

58:50

one thing like we do at scale

58:52

is James Wan's atomic monster and now

58:54

atomic monster in Blumhouse, you know, we

58:56

put the companies together 16 months ago.

58:58

And it's a huge advantage to not

59:00

do horror as like a side hustle.

59:02

You know, which that's what the studios

59:05

do obviously, but also. Most production companies

59:07

most other production companies they do all

59:09

the thing and we do the occasional

59:11

horror movie and that's all we do

59:13

I see every horror movie that's of

59:15

course you're good at because that is

59:17

what you do you're a specialty you

59:19

understand and now you have you're doing

59:22

it with James one talk a little

59:24

bit about your Your relationship with James

59:26

one and how that came to be

59:28

well we I'm interested in growing the

59:30

company and I really felt like this

59:32

kind of this is actually kind of

59:34

It kind of ties together a lot

59:36

of the stuff that we've been talking

59:39

about. It's that is that I don't

59:41

believe you can make Let's just talk

59:43

about movies and not TV for a

59:45

second I don't believe you can make

59:47

movies You can you can make more

59:49

movies That are good by just hiring

59:51

more people right and remember we only

59:53

get paid if our movies are good

59:56

or if they work if they don't

59:58

work. We don't work. We don't get

1:00:00

paid so for four or five movies

1:00:02

a year. We have to keep the

1:00:04

quality the same. If the quality goes

1:00:06

down it's a disaster. So the only

1:00:08

way for us to grow is to

1:00:10

go from four or five to six

1:00:13

or seven and it was my view

1:00:15

that the only way to get to

1:00:17

six or seven was to bring in

1:00:19

a partner, not just to hire four

1:00:21

more executives, but to bring in a

1:00:23

partner who was a, you know, visionary

1:00:25

who was doing this on his own.

1:00:27

And if you take Blumhouse, an atomic

1:00:30

monster, and if you, if those two

1:00:32

companies just continue to do what we

1:00:34

have, what the companies have done on

1:00:36

their own the last 10 years, you

1:00:38

know, it's, it's like 60% of theatrically

1:00:40

released horror movies. have been done by

1:00:42

those two companies. Yeah, talking about James

1:00:44

one, he, some of the things that

1:00:47

he was done. So James one, first

1:00:49

of all, he's a massive director, separate

1:00:51

business, Aquaman, Fast and Furious, right, but

1:00:53

he birthed insidious with us, which is

1:00:55

how I met him, but he's, he's

1:00:57

the atomic monster is best known as

1:00:59

the production company behind the conjuring universe.

1:01:01

So all the conjuring movies, Annabel. So

1:01:04

anyway, so we're, we're, we're, we're, it's

1:01:06

a map, yeah, the none, the none

1:01:08

too, you know, no one ever talks,

1:01:10

but none too was the second highest

1:01:12

grossing horror movie of all time last

1:01:14

year. The 200, 270 million dollars. Wow.

1:01:16

No one talks about it in Hollywood.

1:01:18

Yeah. So anyway, so we're, we're, we're,

1:01:21

20, next year, 25 is our first

1:01:23

year where our release date. slate will

1:01:25

be, we're up to our eight movies.

1:01:27

We have Wolfman, we have two original

1:01:29

movies, we have a Chris landed movie

1:01:31

called Drop, and then we have Megan,

1:01:33

then we have Blackphone, then we have

1:01:35

Five Nights or Fridays Two, and then

1:01:38

we have, and then we, and then

1:01:40

these guys have a mortal combat movie

1:01:42

and a conjuring five movie. So next

1:01:44

year is our big year. What percentage

1:01:46

of box office does horror makeup now

1:01:48

in domestically? It's like a billion dollars

1:01:50

a year. about a little right about

1:01:52

10% good lord. So do you so

1:01:55

every every award show where we're lauding

1:01:57

all these other people they should do

1:01:59

the first five minutes should just be

1:02:01

a standing O for you and one

1:02:03

just to say thank you for keeping

1:02:05

us all at work and now let's

1:02:07

get to the Oscars. Yeah, for sure.

1:02:09

Five minutes standing, oh Blum. Right, and

1:02:12

they are starting a long time ago.

1:02:14

They've got really cinematic and less sort

1:02:16

of like, you know, the rap they

1:02:18

used to get was slasher and exploitative

1:02:20

and whatnot. They're like. beautifully made films

1:02:22

now. Yeah, there's less T&A, I will

1:02:24

say that. Sorry, not to knock it,

1:02:26

not to knock it. Now, do you

1:02:29

know, I heard, maybe, I'm gonna sort

1:02:31

of talk to you about this on

1:02:33

the show, but do you know I

1:02:35

heard that kids don't want T&A in

1:02:37

movies now because there's so much of

1:02:39

it on the internet that they're not,

1:02:41

and they don't want T&A in movies

1:02:43

anymore. No progress. Yeah, and they don't

1:02:46

want their driver's license license, either, because

1:02:48

there's license either, because there's Uber, because

1:02:50

there's Uber, because there's Uber, because there's

1:02:52

Uber, because there's Uber, because there's Uber,

1:02:54

because there's Uber, because there's Uber, because

1:02:56

there's Uber, because there's Uber, because there's

1:02:58

Uber, because there's Uber, because there's Uber,

1:03:00

because there's Uber, because there's Uber, because

1:03:03

there's Uber, because there's Uber, because there's

1:03:05

Uber, because there's Uber, because there's Uber,

1:03:07

The Jason Blum, I'm a big fan

1:03:09

of Get Out and you know, we

1:03:11

don't have time to go through it

1:03:13

because we're going to let you go.

1:03:15

But I didn't know there was... My

1:03:17

God, you're already over time. Jesus, Jesus,

1:03:20

is very helling. This might be the

1:03:22

quickest we've ever gotten to it and

1:03:24

feel like we're just starting. Yeah, we

1:03:26

really are. I got so much more

1:03:28

to go into. God, I thought you

1:03:30

were going to be a disappointing guest.

1:03:32

I know. In four years. Bateman kept

1:03:34

saying, I'm not going to respond to

1:03:37

this guy. Don't respond to him. Can

1:03:39

they give him? No, I can imagine

1:03:41

before the show. Did Blum email? Before

1:03:43

the show. Did Blum email? Before the

1:03:45

show. Did Blum email? Before the show

1:03:47

and had a question. Do. No, there

1:03:49

was a different ending to get out.

1:03:51

There was. That was a note I

1:03:54

had. That was a note. Oh, wait.

1:03:56

That was an end of the day

1:03:58

to get out where Daniel died. And

1:04:00

or did it? Oh, one up in

1:04:02

jail, one up in jail. Something terrible.

1:04:04

Did they write it? Did they shoot

1:04:06

it? Yeah, we shot it. It was

1:04:08

at the test screening. And we tested

1:04:11

it. to change the end. I said,

1:04:13

Daniel is too good. Everyone is in

1:04:15

love with him. The movie's amazing. And

1:04:17

you cannot end him with him in

1:04:19

jail. Like, it's just, it's horrible. And

1:04:21

did you say, yeah, but that was

1:04:23

your idea? Yes, but that was your

1:04:25

note. No, you sent me that note

1:04:28

from the back of your van. You

1:04:30

said you were on Koyanga. You idiot,

1:04:32

you idiot. No, he was a man.

1:04:34

No, I pitched him some horrible idea

1:04:36

of what it should be to keep

1:04:38

alive. So in the original, she, she,

1:04:40

I forget the name of the character,

1:04:42

the girl in it, the lead girl.

1:04:45

Allison Williams. Allison, she, she, I haven't

1:04:47

seen a long time, but she, she,

1:04:49

she ends up getting him in jail.

1:04:51

Is that what I think in, I

1:04:53

think now I'm forgetting, but I think

1:04:55

the end, he's in jail, he's in,

1:04:57

he's in, he's in, he's in, like,

1:04:59

like, And Jordan, you know, a month

1:05:02

later he had a new idea for

1:05:04

the end, he re-shot it. And it's

1:05:06

like he is amazing. Amazing. Amazing. Amazing.

1:05:08

Amazing. So how me your favorite horror

1:05:10

film? Oh, just a softball right here

1:05:12

at the end. Yeah, just so we

1:05:14

can alienate everybody he works with. Other

1:05:16

than the person he names. Any funny

1:05:19

stories of you going up on a

1:05:21

line on stage? I like Hitchcock movies,

1:05:23

those are my favorite, you know, in

1:05:25

terms of, like, those, those are my,

1:05:27

those are my inspiration movies. Yeah. Okay,

1:05:29

so listen, you gotta get out of

1:05:31

here, we gotta get out of here.

1:05:33

What movies, what Blum House movies are

1:05:36

we gonna go to, are people gonna

1:05:38

come and see in 2025? Tell us

1:05:40

right now, he just did. Well, I

1:05:42

did, Wolfman is, Wolfman, Wolfman, Wolfman is

1:05:44

January, it's great, it's great, it's, it's,

1:05:46

it's, it's, Yeah, and he's great. Wolfman

1:05:48

is January. Okay. Wolfman is January. This

1:05:50

original movie by Chris Landon, who did

1:05:53

Happy Death Day. Michael Landon's son. Called

1:05:55

Drop with Megan Fahi, which is great.

1:05:57

Drop. And then we have Megan, too.

1:05:59

Megan, too? Summer release. Then we have

1:06:01

Blackphone, too. Blackphone, too. That's got Derek's

1:06:03

and with the great Ethan Hall back

1:06:05

is the grabber I thought I thought

1:06:07

they caught him Yeah Then we have

1:06:09

five nights at Freddy's too now clearly

1:06:12

you guys miss the first one, but

1:06:14

you've got 12 months to see the

1:06:16

first one You've got 12 months to

1:06:18

see the first and then see the

1:06:20

second you know it's gonna be a

1:06:22

Christmas release If you're during the math

1:06:24

summer release and our friend our friends

1:06:26

at Atomic atomic monster have the next

1:06:29

conjuring movie have mortal combat So it's

1:06:31

a full slate of great movies. It's

1:06:33

a monster year. You should consider doing,

1:06:35

you should consider during the year after

1:06:37

for Five Nights of Freddy, do it

1:06:39

as a Christmas movie, 12 Nights of

1:06:41

Freddy, tie it into Christmas. Yeah, it's

1:06:43

a great idea. That's a free one.

1:06:46

You're welcome. It's a free one. This

1:06:48

is a free one from us to

1:06:50

you. I urge you, we urge you

1:06:52

to go and see him and you're

1:06:54

an unbelievable guest. Well, you're an unbelievable,

1:06:56

unbelievable guy. It took me four years,

1:06:58

but there was a lot of pressure.

1:07:00

I had to make it work. You

1:07:03

delivered. Thank you, guys. Thank you for

1:07:05

having me. I appreciate it. Say hi

1:07:07

to Lauren, please. Okay, well, I will.

1:07:09

Lots of love to all of you.

1:07:11

Love you. And congrats, by the way.

1:07:13

Your new daughter. Thank you, my little

1:07:15

daughter. Bye The man

1:07:18

has a gift for Gab, you know,

1:07:20

we could expand this to four hosts

1:07:22

very easily coming here. But aside from,

1:07:24

totally, aside from buying a movie from

1:07:26

him, I would buy a house from

1:07:28

him. I know. I'd let him shovel

1:07:31

my driveway. I'd let him fix my

1:07:33

wiring. I'd let him fix my wiring.

1:07:35

I'd let him fix my wiring. I'd

1:07:37

like it with the electric van. No,

1:07:39

a very, very good person. And so

1:07:41

he's his wife. I don't know a

1:07:44

good guy. Yeah, I mean and a

1:07:46

perfect example of how to succeed You

1:07:48

know like when you when you're kind

1:07:50

of starting out in this business if

1:07:52

there's any young producers aren't there. It's

1:07:54

a perfect person to kind of you

1:07:57

know Look for inspiration of how he

1:07:59

did it. I know but it's like

1:08:01

how would you what but how would

1:08:03

you say like? You know he does

1:08:05

have I was trying to break down

1:08:07

like what what's the recipe to become

1:08:10

Jason Bluff his personality but I mean

1:08:12

that but not to be a little

1:08:14

his ability in the business yeah and

1:08:16

that people skills is an enormous part

1:08:18

of this industry no matter what lane

1:08:20

you're in. That's true and I will

1:08:23

say this and I will say he

1:08:25

has the the I was thinking about

1:08:27

it too throughout the thing like what

1:08:29

is that makes him so successful other

1:08:31

than he's got he says that he's

1:08:33

a good picker he's got tremendous people

1:08:36

skills he understands but he's really smart

1:08:38

yeah and so you have to be

1:08:40

a lot of things and he's a

1:08:42

lot of things so like it's a

1:08:44

good place to start is being really

1:08:46

smart yeah you know JB nothing? Oh,

1:08:49

no, I was looking at a text.

1:08:51

And I thought, are we going to

1:08:53

know why you're not him? And attentive.

1:08:55

Now we know why you're not him.

1:08:57

Because he would never do that. No,

1:08:59

no, not at all. Rob Armier, stop

1:09:02

fucking texting me while we're doing the

1:09:04

wrap-up. God damn it. Rob. We have

1:09:06

pickups, we have to get to. So

1:09:08

let's get to a buy. Sean, you

1:09:10

have anything on the list? I don't

1:09:12

have anything on the list that fits.

1:09:15

Really? How about, you know, let's try

1:09:17

a new thing. I'm gonna give you

1:09:19

a word here that I'd like for

1:09:21

you to work into a buy, okay?

1:09:23

And it's, it's, the word is buy

1:09:25

for Kate. Okay, well, would you like

1:09:28

to go first? We did that one

1:09:30

last week, right? Okay, how about, how

1:09:32

about a, how about a buyback? A

1:09:34

buyback would be if you wanted to

1:09:36

purchase something back. from somebody. Oh, well

1:09:38

I would never want to do that

1:09:41

to one of his films. I would

1:09:43

never want to go into his film

1:09:45

after seeing something so spectacular and ask

1:09:47

for a... You would never need to.

1:09:49

I would never need to go into

1:09:51

a space. I feel like this is

1:09:54

going to be really lazy. I feel

1:09:56

like this is really lazy. I would

1:09:58

never ask for a knee day.

1:10:00

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1:10:02

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1:10:06

no, all even saw it coming.

1:10:08

Instead of get out, it could be

1:10:10

called bye. What's that,

1:10:12

what's that, Michael? Instead of get out,

1:10:14

it could be called bye. Bye, there

1:10:16

you go. Oh, yes, it didn't clear.

1:10:18

It was already taken. But yeah, the

1:10:20

original title for get out was bye.

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