0:05

Guys, let's just scooch in here

0:07

real quick. Let's just wedge our

0:09

way in here right before we're

0:12

gonna start a new But I

0:14

just want to scooch right in

0:16

here, right before we start and

0:18

just kind of look at a

0:21

little little little appetizer a little

0:23

auto appetizer Just get a little

0:25

scooch in just kind of like

0:28

a quick little one. Let's just

0:30

make it a to some today. Okay.

0:32

Here we go. Sean,

0:45

where'd you get that sweet

0:47

smartless hat? Isn't that

0:49

cool? From the from the

0:52

merch store, it's SiriusXM. So

0:54

you go to SiriusXM, you

0:56

can just buy like Smartless,

0:58

like T-shirts hats, hats, hats,

1:00

and like, what if I

1:02

wanted like leg warmers? Do

1:04

they have those? Why? Yes, yes, yes, yes,

1:07

you could do all that. You know, um...

1:09

Do we get any... Does anyone, does anyone,

1:11

like we talk to us? I did get

1:13

it. Why did they send us one of

1:15

those hats? They're particularly proud of it. I

1:17

don't know, because they're like new, I guess,

1:19

in the store. They're pretty sweet. Amanda stole

1:21

mine immediately. Yeah, that's really cool. Who came

1:24

up with those? Sean, you had a hand

1:26

in that particular hat, right? No, I

1:28

didn't. I haven't. No, not at all.

1:30

Will's got notes. Hold on, hold on,

1:32

hold on. This is like a baseball

1:35

hat. Well, yeah, but it's got a

1:37

real curve on the bill. Yeah. It

1:39

is a trucker hat, which I like,

1:42

but it's got a real curve on

1:44

the bill. Yeah. It is a trucker

1:46

hat, which I like, but it's got

1:48

a real soft top too. Yeah. But you

1:51

can find the high top trucker hats

1:53

on the site there. It's at the

1:55

CSXM. I don't know the link. Does

1:57

anybody know the link? I don't know.

1:59

We'll put it in the chat Yeah,

2:01

everyone's getting the chat, right? People are

2:03

jumping to this. Oh yeah, people are

2:05

jumping on the chat, right? Oh, hang

2:07

on, let's just take a look. The

2:09

chat is blowing up. Wait Jay, did

2:11

you make it to Maple's game? I

2:14

did, I saw the first quarter and

2:16

she was, I was telling Will. Fast

2:18

call, right? Yeah, she's got incredible ball

2:20

skills, which is what I think Sean's,

2:22

or Will's handle, maybe both your handles.

2:24

Ball skill coming up through high school.

2:26

Ball skill haze. Here he comes. I

2:28

love not even commenting and just watching

2:30

you through. sort of deadly draw on

2:32

that one out. And I think that's

2:34

what you want. One of you. That's

2:36

how I felt all day to day

2:38

doing our doing our sketches today. Yeah,

2:40

we were working on something today and

2:43

chatting about something today that's to come

2:45

that we keep talking about. Not sure

2:47

we got anything usable today. I think

2:49

we did. Please, of course, of course

2:51

we did. And it's all in the

2:53

vein of this fun thing that we

2:55

keep talking about that we're. that we're

2:57

really excited about. When are we going

2:59

to talk more about that? In a

3:01

few weeks. Pretty soon. One is the

3:03

audience ready to hear. In a matter

3:05

of weeks, we're going to be able

3:07

to talk about what it really is.

3:10

And I think it's exciting. I'm very

3:12

excited to share. I'm excited too. Super

3:14

excited. I think it's something that they

3:16

might like. That's what else I'm excited

3:18

about. What is that, your nukes, your

3:20

next guest? Yes. This is what I

3:22

like. I like a, I like a,

3:24

I like a segue more than anything.

3:26

A smooth segge. Well, have you figured

3:28

it out yet? Because I was talking

3:30

to Will, giving him clues today. I

3:32

was trying to think, you were like,

3:34

oh, it's so neat. I'll figure it

3:37

out, I'm brighter than him. Well, I'll,

3:39

so I'll read it, you'll guess it

3:41

by the end of this intro. As

3:43

a child, he often contemplated who he'd

3:45

rather fly as Superman or Peter Pan.

3:47

His career started with a role in

3:49

General Hospital, which primed him for the

3:51

pilot of eight is enough. John Stamos.

3:53

As he patiently awaited May 25, 1977,

3:55

when the world would come to know

3:57

him as one of the most famous

3:59

heroes in cinematic history, that... Luke Skywalker

4:01

and he is Mark Hamill. Whoa! Whoa!

4:03

Whoa! Whoa! Mr. Hamill! Now Sean, how

4:06

would you even, well, at least you're

4:08

sitting. Look, I'm shaking, look, I'm shaking

4:10

a little bit. How'd you get a

4:12

little bit? How'd you get through the

4:14

day? Sorry, we're gonna give you in

4:16

a second, Mr. Hamill. This guy Sean

4:18

Hayes lives and breathes and breathes Star

4:20

Wars. Who could it be? It's not

4:22

the mayor of Tatawine, but it's close.

4:24

It's close. So wait, just before we

4:26

start, my first of all, thank you

4:28

for being on here. This is huge

4:30

for me and... Thank you. All of

4:33

us. Millions of other people. Oh my

4:35

God. Yes. There's a national treasure for

4:37

Christ's here. You are, and I can't

4:39

believe you. But before we start, I

4:41

just want to read to you what

4:43

you wrote. on your Instagram about Stephen

4:45

King, you wrote, it took every ounce

4:47

of discipline I possess to avoid freaking

4:49

out and exposing myself as the weak

4:51

need, slavish fan boy, I truly am.

4:53

And of course, I feel the same

4:55

way about you as you wrote about

4:57

Stephen King, because I've been waiting 50

4:59

years to talk to you. Oh my

5:02

God, this is crazy. It's crazy that

5:04

I'm talking to. It's not quite 50

5:06

years, it's 47. I mean, let's be

5:08

honest, because the movie came out in

5:10

77. I saw a new Hope four

5:12

times in a row. I know I

5:14

give Sean a lot of shit for

5:16

being a Star Wars. I saw the

5:18

first one four times in the theaters

5:20

when I was a kid. Wow, so

5:22

you were all like 12, 13, I

5:24

was seven. We were both seven. Sean

5:26

and I were both look much older

5:29

than I do than I do, but,

5:31

but, but, so well. Now, Will, did

5:33

you pay four times for it or

5:35

did you just? Yeah, I went four

5:37

times. I went, yes, of course. You

5:39

left the theater and re-entered four times.

5:41

Could it, nobody could believe it was

5:43

a phenomenon that nobody could believe it,

5:45

it changed everything. And we were like.

5:47

We talk about it all the time

5:49

on this show when we talk about

5:51

it. We do. And I give Sean

5:53

a lot of shit just for being

5:55

a nerd mark. But that's not the

5:58

only reason he's a nerd. He's a

6:00

nerd. of other reasons. Mark, how was

6:02

it to continue being a part of

6:04

that going forward, on and on? Did

6:06

you think it would go on this long?

6:08

Oh, of course not. No, no, not at

6:10

all. Although when we were doing it, I

6:12

remember the first couple of days we

6:14

shot in North Africa, I went over

6:16

with Guinness and the Droyds. And I

6:18

hadn't met carrier Harrison yet. And I

6:20

said to George, why is this episode

6:22

four? Why aren't you starting with episode

6:25

one? He goes, well, episode one, it's

6:27

a lot of exposition and it's more

6:29

political. This trilogy is much more commercial.

6:31

So he knew. Did he already have

6:33

plans that he would go back and

6:35

do those first three? Or did he

6:37

just kind of jettison that from the

6:39

very beginning and just like, ah, yeah,

6:41

we're just going to not even do

6:43

those stories? Well, the way I

6:45

understood it was that. He originally planned

6:48

four trilogies of 12, but when we

6:50

were shooting, I asked him about

6:52

the first trilogy and he said, he

6:54

explained, well, this is more commercial,

6:56

there's a lot of exposition and it's

6:59

political and it's about taxation and

7:01

blah, blah, blah, so I wanted it.

7:03

He wanted you to feel like you

7:05

walked into a serial chapter play

7:07

and you'd miss the first few episodes.

7:10

That's why they had the crawl

7:12

to bring you up to speed. But

7:14

I mean, as actors, you might. us

7:16

appreciate this. When I auditioned, we

7:18

just had a, it was an

7:20

open cattle call. Brian DePama was

7:22

casting Stephen King's Carry, the horror

7:25

movie set in high school, and

7:27

George was casting Star Wars. And

7:29

it was a cattle call. Like

7:31

I say, you sat down, they

7:33

said, tell us a little about

7:35

yourself, and you talked for five

7:37

minutes. And they said, thank you.

7:39

They didn't talk about the project

7:42

at all. But here's the interesting

7:44

part. We're sending you the page.

7:46

It was like a 10-page scene

7:48

with Harrison as Han Solo in the

7:50

cockpit of the Millennium Falcon. No rookie,

7:52

just the two of us. But there

7:54

was no context. I mean, I'm reading

7:56

this thing going, wait a second. Is

7:58

this like a parody? or a send-up

8:00

of Flash Gordon is it like Mel

8:03

Brooks or whatever so I when I

8:05

went to the audition I went to

8:07

Harrison because he had done American graffiti

8:09

he'd known George and I said Harrison

8:11

is this like are we is this

8:14

like a send-up I mean is it

8:16

he said hey kid let's just get

8:18

it done you know he was absolutely

8:20

know how I could listen to you

8:22

imitate him all day. So was he,

8:25

did he have to audition at all

8:27

or was he, he was already set

8:29

in that part coming off of American

8:31

graffiti? Well, no, he'd already in American

8:33

graffiti. When I did the screen test,

8:36

I don't know whether he was set

8:38

or not, but he did do a

8:40

screen test with Kerry, so I guess

8:42

George was fairly sure, and there were

8:44

two sets of three. Marcia Lucas, George's

8:47

wife said, when he was packing to

8:49

go to London, he hadn't decided between

8:51

the two. I mean, there was no

8:53

mix and match. It was me, Harrison,

8:55

and Kerry, or Will Seltzer, Terry, Nunn,

8:58

and I forget now, who's Han Solo,

9:00

and she took credit. She said, I'm

9:02

the one that suggests he go with

9:04

you guys. That's great. That's amazing. Here's

9:06

what's so interesting is, and I went

9:09

to George at the same audition said

9:11

the same thing I said to Harrison,

9:13

is this like a parody or are

9:15

we serious? He went, well, let's just

9:17

do it and we'll talk about it

9:20

later. Translation, let's just do it and

9:22

we'll never talk about it later. Sure,

9:24

shut up and hit your mark. Exactly,

9:26

George is not like, he's not an

9:28

actor's director, he comes alive in the

9:30

editing room. He doesn't want to hear

9:33

about backstory or motivation or whatever. Now,

9:35

Ervin Kirshner was the opposite. He was

9:37

very much into that. He did Empire.

9:39

But like I say, the moment, my

9:41

agent said, okay, you got it and

9:44

they're sending the script over, I will

9:46

never forget reading that script for the

9:48

first time because it just blew my

9:50

mind. I mean, even without John Williams'

9:52

music or the special effects, yes. It

9:55

was all on the page, you guys.

9:57

You really got the sense of... Isn't

9:59

that amazing? Yes, it was... What about

10:01

you realizing what part you had just

10:03

gotten to? Well, that's it. I have

10:06

to tell you, Jason, when I... It

10:08

was weeks, maybe a month later. And

10:10

when I tested, I figured, oh, Harrison's

10:12

the leading man. I'm like the annoying

10:14

sidekick, right? Because I'm badgering him and

10:17

all this stuff. And I have to

10:19

do this for you. I mean, my

10:21

daughter's through this a million times. There

10:23

was a line in the screen test

10:25

that, thankfully, was not in the finished

10:28

product. We're going towards the Death Star

10:30

and Hososo said, basically, look, I've done

10:32

my part. When we get to an

10:34

inhabital asteroid, I'm trumping you and the

10:36

droids off. And here's my actual line.

10:39

But we can't turn back. Fear is

10:41

their greatest defense. I doubt if the

10:43

actual security there's any greater than it

10:45

was on aquilire solace, and what there

10:47

is is most likely directed towards a

10:50

large-scale assault. Now try and make that

10:52

sound like it's a spontaneous thought just

10:54

coming off the top of your head.

10:56

I mean, it's just, and I mean,

10:58

you could diagram the sentence. Well, whenever

11:01

Scotty and I run out to the

11:03

store, we say this line, we say,

11:05

but I was going in a Tashi

11:07

station to pick up some power converters,

11:09

which here it is, here it is.

11:12

I was going to Tashi Station to

11:14

pick up some power converters. There is.

11:16

You know, and people don't believe me,

11:18

but I was trying to be as

11:20

whiny baby as I could, so I

11:23

had somewhere to go. Yeah, I know,

11:25

for sure. Yeah, you had to be

11:27

this kid who did it. Yes. Yeah,

11:29

yeah, yeah. And you got to be

11:31

as annoying and whiny as possible, but

11:34

you know, I still get... garbage over

11:36

that over the years. I just I

11:38

just want I just I didn't even

11:40

tell you this and I just watched

11:42

a new hope again recently with the

11:45

little kids. Oh yeah with my kids

11:47

and and it just it holds up

11:49

in the most. How old is it?

11:51

How old is it? What is it?

11:53

You shot it in 76 and it

11:56

came out in 77. So what is

11:58

that? You shot it in 74. You

12:00

shot it in 76. It's 48. Yeah,

12:02

I was 24. Almost 49. So you

12:04

go, so you shoot that thing in

12:07

1976 in London and in North Africa.

12:09

Right. Right. And I remember, by the

12:11

way, I remember. My friend, this guy,

12:13

I worked with Peter Cohn, who was

12:15

a first assistant director on lots of

12:18

big movies, but one of his first

12:20

jobs, he was a PA, right? On

12:22

a New Hope? Peter was? Yes, and

12:24

the thing was, he was not going

12:26

to be able to go to, they

12:29

weren't taking him to North Africa, but

12:31

when they discovered he spoke French. he

12:33

was in and he was like 19

12:35

and we became fast friends and he's

12:37

still one of my closest friends today.

12:40

Wow. He's a great guy and I

12:42

worked with him on a couple movies.

12:44

He was the first AD on Blades

12:46

of Glory. He was also first AD

12:48

on Withnail and I which is my

12:51

favorite film of all time. Yeah, it's

12:53

great. So, but I remember him telling

12:55

me and maybe Mark, you can talk,

12:57

speak to this, telling me about like.

12:59

For instance, R2D2 was just like this,

13:02

because it was 1976, it was just

13:04

like this bucket, like this metallic, and

13:06

then it would fall over, they'd kick

13:08

it. Yes, exactly. It's a marvel of

13:10

editing because... Sean, why are you crying?

13:13

Sean, I'm on the verge, on the

13:15

verge. No, but tell us. Well no

13:17

it was like you say I mean

13:19

George called it the most expensive low-budget

13:21

movie ever made yeah and what he

13:24

meant by that was every single penny

13:26

has to be up on the screen

13:28

the only people they actually had to

13:30

pay decent salaries to would be Alec

13:32

Guinness and Peter Cushing all of us

13:35

were unknown so I think I got

13:37

a thousand a week I remember complaining

13:39

my age was well I make eight

13:41

thousand to ten thousand on television a

13:43

week and she said, hey, get a

13:46

grip. It's a movie, it's George Lucas,

13:48

it's Alec Guinness. I went, oh yeah.

13:50

And as you know, I mean, money.

13:52

secondary we do this because we love

13:54

it yes and if you can get

13:57

a nice salary good for you but

13:59

and so but wait what about Robert

14:01

England for my sister Tracy Robert England

14:03

was Freddie Kruger and he told you

14:05

to audition for Star Wars is that

14:08

true well in his book he said

14:10

you know basically if it weren't for

14:12

me mark wouldn't be Luke's car worker

14:14

and to be fair I mean I

14:16

love Robert yeah but when he said

14:19

that to me he had just come

14:21

back from an audition you know how

14:23

it is once you've auditioned you feel

14:25

free to tell your friends so if

14:27

you been out for this thing. Have

14:30

you been out for this George Lucas

14:32

thing? I said no. And I went

14:34

to the phone. I called my agent

14:36

and I said and I told her

14:38

about it and she said, I'm all

14:41

over. You've got an appointment next Wednesday.

14:43

So I hate to. burst Robert's bubble.

14:45

It makes for a better story. Sure,

14:47

sure. It's a good sound bite, but

14:49

you know, we've put it to rest

14:52

now and fucking. Yeah, yeah. I'm just

14:54

going to load. I don't know the

14:56

guy. Oh, it's great. Were you, were

14:58

you, what was, what was your work

15:00

schedule like before Star Wars? Were you,

15:03

you, you were in the pilot of

15:05

eight is enough. That's what I want

15:07

to know. And then you got replaced.

15:09

But they changed a lot of the

15:11

people in the pilot. They changed the

15:13

father. They changed three siblings, including me.

15:16

Big Fan Patton. I was just doing,

15:18

you know, I did TV, after the

15:20

soap, I did TV movies, I don't

15:22

know how many of 30 or something,

15:24

between 70 and 76 and lots and

15:27

lots of, you know. FBI and you

15:29

were you were you're a working actor

15:31

this this wasn't a huge shock to

15:33

you to the system when this thing

15:35

took off I mean I guess how

15:38

can you be prepared for that that

15:40

kind of exposure but it wasn't you

15:42

weren't you weren't right off a truck

15:44

no no no yeah and and the

15:46

way I felt about it I thought

15:49

I didn't see any ads for it

15:51

on television like I'd watched Saturday Night

15:53

Live and usually they you know placed

15:55

a movie commercials there I didn't see

15:57

it and and on the day it

16:00

opened, the driver picked me up to

16:02

go dub the 35 millimeter prints, because

16:04

it only opened in like 16 theaters

16:06

in 70 millimeter. And I said, can

16:08

you drive by Gromit's Chinese? I want

16:11

to see what it looks like up

16:13

on the Marquis. Oh, here's a fun

16:15

fact. There was such disagreement on how

16:17

to promote it at Fox that it

16:19

opened with no poster. Wow, they just

16:22

stable the lobby cards up because they

16:24

couldn't is this like that one faction

16:26

was promoting it like a An entertainment

16:28

journey beyond your imagination far beyond the

16:30

other one was like pushing the more

16:33

committed aspects, you know, rascals and outer

16:35

space, but they couldn't agree. So anyway,

16:37

I said, can you drive by gromas?

16:39

And now what I thought was This

16:41

thing's going to take a couple of

16:44

weeks to get going because the hardcore

16:46

sci-fi fantasy horror fans are all going

16:48

to see it on day one but

16:50

it'll take word of mouth for it

16:52

to spread and say hey you know

16:55

what it's pretty funny too and it's

16:57

you know it's all these things. But

16:59

so anyway, we drove by and I

17:01

couldn't believe my eyes. There were lines

17:03

around the block the first day, so

17:06

I couldn't figure it out. Yeah, what

17:08

was the promotion that got that that

17:10

amount of interest going? I was too

17:12

young to really notice it. But how

17:14

do you think they they accrued that

17:17

much interest in it without the posters

17:19

and stuff? Well, they did a poster,

17:21

but I think Hildebran was the artist

17:23

and they depicted Luke as like Luke

17:25

as like six to and ripped with

17:28

anything like me. And I didn't even

17:30

audition, but yeah. You know, but you

17:32

know what's funny though, what a great

17:34

example once again of how fucking lucky

17:36

the suits got. Oh, yeah. And, and,

17:39

and they kind of got in their

17:41

own way and couldn't agree on a

17:43

poster and who were so quick to

17:45

rush to, to take credit for shit

17:47

and blah, blah, blah, blah. And I

17:50

know the merits of it. And it

17:52

was the merits of the, of the,

17:54

of the, you know, the, the, the,

17:56

the, the, the, the, the, the, the,

17:58

the, the, the, the, the, the, the,

18:01

this thing and how quickly do you

18:03

think Mark those same people who decided

18:05

that they couldn't figure out to put

18:07

a fucking poster or whatever how quickly

18:09

do you think they took credit at

18:12

dinner that night or that next week

18:14

or at a lunch with other yeah

18:16

isn't that the way is not the

18:18

way because they really didn't see any

18:20

potential and they were you know we

18:23

didn't of course of course they didn't

18:25

really prepared to dump it but you

18:27

know George had made a graffiti at

18:29

Universal and the head of Universal wanted

18:31

to dump it on the second half

18:34

of a double bill and it was

18:36

only Francis Ford Copla that went to

18:38

him and said look you've got to

18:40

give this a chance because They were

18:42

mad because they spent so much money

18:45

to get the rights to all the

18:47

music, all the vintage rock and roll.

18:49

But to think that American graffiti could

18:51

have been just thrown away and they

18:53

never learned. Yeah. We'll be right back.

18:56

And now back to the show. Hey,

18:59

what did John Williams done before?

19:01

He did Jaws before this? Oh my

19:03

god. Yes, so much. No, but before

19:06

Jaws or this? He did Lost in

19:08

Space. He did. He was billed

19:10

as Johnny Williams and he did a

19:12

lot of universal television shows. I mean,

19:15

you're so like... He did a Gilegan's

19:17

Island. Aside from George, I think

19:19

he's probably more responsible for the success

19:21

of that film than any other single

19:24

person because when I remember... Gary Kursler,

19:26

producer, picked me up to go to

19:28

another dubbing session. He said, oh,

19:30

I just got the score from, you

19:33

know, I was over in London with

19:35

a little, when he put it on,

19:37

you guys, I'm telling you, I

19:39

felt tears streaming down my face. I

19:42

just could, exactly. I also want to

19:44

finish the story about me reading it

19:46

for the first time. Remember, I

19:48

got it without reading a script. I

19:51

just had read that one. Sorry, keep

19:53

going, yeah. Well, here's the thing. When

19:55

I opened the first page, it said

19:58

the... Ventures of Luke Star Killer

20:00

as taken from the Journal of the

20:02

Wills, saga number one, the Star Wars.

20:04

And I'm thinking, wait a minute, wasn't

20:07

it? I, Luke, no, I guess

20:09

Harrison was Luke, because I figured he

20:11

was a traditional leading man. He was

20:13

35 or whatever, and he was Harrison

20:16

Ford. Come on. So I started

20:18

to read this thing and I, you

20:20

know, in the very beginning, I realized,

20:23

oh my God, this is seen through

20:25

the eyes of this teenage farm

20:27

boy. I mean, that was unusual in

20:29

and of itself. You'd think it probably

20:32

be through the eyes of Han Solo,

20:34

but I mean, that's the journey that...

20:36

Give us a little bit of

20:38

Harrison's reaction when he read the script.

20:41

I didn't say, oh, I'm going to

20:43

go do an impression of Harrison Ford.

20:45

I was on Seth Myers and

20:47

I was just relaying a story that

20:50

happened to us when we were on

20:52

the death star. We were midday and

20:54

I said, wait a second, this

20:56

scene takes place after we were in

20:59

the trash compactor, which we hadn't filmed

21:01

yet. Or maybe we had, because I

21:03

said, shouldn't I have like some schmoots

21:06

and messy hair and polystyrene in

21:08

my, in my hair? And he goes,

21:10

hey kid, it ain't that kind of

21:12

movie. If anybody's looking at your hair,

21:15

we're all in big trouble. And

21:17

I went, boy, is he right? You

21:19

really make a great director if you

21:21

weren't so lazy. Because he knows his

21:24

part and he knows everybody and

21:26

he'll give you suggestions. They're all gold.

21:28

I just idolized him. I mean, when

21:30

he walked in the door the first

21:33

time, because I went back after

21:35

the stuff in Africa, Harrison came first

21:37

and he comes on the. downstage, you

21:39

know, in his Han Solo gear. And

21:42

I just, I'd already liked him in

21:44

the conversation and. and American graffiti

21:46

anyway. But I mean, I just was,

21:48

the relationship was real because I idolized

21:51

him, I looked at him as a

21:53

mentor, an older brother, and all

21:55

that. You're so fucking cool with the

21:57

vest and shit. And when I read

22:00

it, I thought, oh my God, why

22:02

don't I ever get the part

22:04

of the womanizing gambler and scoundrel, you

22:06

know, I'm just like, oh, I'm going

22:09

to touch his station. I did a

22:11

thing for Vanity Fairwoods and they said

22:13

you can do any, you know,

22:15

any sort of character from a film,

22:18

blah blah, and I went as Harrison

22:20

Ford from Star Wars. Oh well, well,

22:22

because I was like, yeah, he

22:24

was like, he was a cowboy, you

22:27

know what I mean? Like, speaking of

22:29

that, you must know Mark that these

22:31

guys know, Scotty, my husband is

22:33

as big a couple. I've been sitting

22:36

here for like an hour. I've been,

22:38

we've got Scottie and the Kyleerine. More

22:40

royalties for George Lucas, very good.

22:42

Scottie's got like a couple. Scott, he's

22:45

got like a couple. Scott, he's been

22:47

waiting. He's been waiting. I've been sitting

22:50

here for like an hour. You know,

22:52

my mom told me, she said

22:54

when you were born, I couldn't decide

22:56

on a name. It was between Mark

22:59

and Scott. And they said, if you

23:01

don't decide right now, we're just

23:03

going to put baby handle on the

23:05

birth certificate. So she literally flipped a

23:08

coin. And of course, when she tells

23:10

you that at age seven, you

23:12

go, oh, Scott's so much a cooler

23:14

name. God, you always want we don't

23:17

have, right? I'm a big fan, but

23:19

Scott, he's like a mega, mega fan.

23:21

All right, and he's got a

23:23

couple questions. It's next. I think my

23:26

question really is at what point when

23:28

Everything was done, the film was done,

23:30

it was completed, and it was

23:32

about to come out and all of

23:35

that. I know the typical question is,

23:37

did you know it was going to

23:39

be a hit? Of course, nobody

23:41

knows it's going to be a hit.

23:44

Anything's going to be a hit. It's

23:46

just, it's not up to us. But

23:48

when did you have that visceral sort

23:51

of reaction like we all had,

23:53

or did you ever have it like

23:55

audiences had where you realized, oh, this

23:57

is something bigger than all of us,

24:00

to promote it. And we did

24:02

Vancouver, I don't think it had opened,

24:04

and then it opened, and when we

24:06

came into Chicago, I looked outside the

24:09

plane, I saw massive crowds, and

24:11

I said, hey, you guys, there's somebody

24:13

famous on this plane. We were looking

24:15

around to see if like, well, there

24:18

was a big sports star, whatever.

24:20

And then as we got closer, Gary

24:22

look that girl has buns on she's

24:24

got the princess label Harrison that guy's

24:27

got the vests and everything somebody had

24:29

made a luke tunic out of

24:31

the pillow because there were people dressed

24:33

like us and we all looked at

24:36

these so like whoa that's above and

24:38

beyond I mean it's going to

24:40

be a successful movie but when you

24:42

see people then yeah especially 50 years

24:45

later right I mean just like a

24:47

grown man go ahead next question

24:49

Scotty Listen, I'm here to give Sean

24:51

a break from the harassment is now

24:54

for me. Listen, I have to tell

24:56

you, it's a double-edged sword because what

24:58

will happen is, and this has

25:00

been happening for 20, 30 years, The

25:03

kids that were little when they came

25:05

out are now parents of their own

25:07

and you'll be in an airport

25:09

or something. And you know, a five

25:12

or six year old, they think we

25:14

made Star Wars two weeks ago. I

25:17

mean, there's nothing to really date

25:19

it in terms of models of cars

25:21

or clothing or whatever. So they have

25:23

no concept of time. And so, you

25:26

know, the parents will gesture to

25:28

a 55 year old me and go,

25:30

hey kids, look who it is. It's

25:32

Luke Skywalker and they look at this.

25:35

Look at me in horror. Like, God,

25:37

what happens is he really let

25:39

himself know. Great makeup artists in the

25:41

movie. Yeah, exactly. So, so wait, so

25:44

Scotty, do you have another question before

25:46

you take off? Oh, Jesus, Christ.

25:48

No, I didn't realize I'd be by

25:50

people. No, you can hang out. I

25:53

didn't know if you wanted to. No,

25:55

no. No, I would love to.

25:57

Hang on, hang on, hang on, hang

25:59

on, hang on, one second. Let me

26:02

just say, Scotty, Scotty, I don't think

26:04

that Sean meant that. I think that

26:06

what he meant to say, like

26:08

he didn't know if you had more,

26:11

Sean, I got this, and then Sean,

26:13

look at Scotty and tell him what

26:15

you meant to say. What I

26:17

meant to say was, I got this,

26:20

and then Sean, look at Scotty, and

26:22

tell him what you meant to say,

26:24

and tell him what he meant

26:26

to say, Scott, how are you, how

26:29

are you, how are you, how are

26:31

you, how are you, how are you,

26:33

how are you, how are you,

26:35

how are you, how are you, how

26:38

are you, how are, how are you,

26:40

how, how are, how, how, how, how,

26:42

how, how, how, how, how, how, how,

26:45

how, how, how, how, how, how,

26:47

how, how, how, how No, no, look

26:49

at Sean and you tell him how

26:51

you're feeling. I'm feeling wonderful and thank

26:54

you for the opportunity. This is

26:56

great. It was a pleasure to be

26:58

here and I, uh, I'm glad that

27:00

Mark could be here for the two

27:03

of the biggest Star Wars fans

27:05

in the world, that Mark, you could

27:07

see them work out. In couples therapy.

27:09

We owe everything to the fans. If

27:12

it weren't for them, we wouldn't be

27:14

anywhere. Right, right, right. desire question.

27:16

Yeah, something. What about the, what about

27:18

Norway with the Empire Strikes back in

27:21

the snow? Remember we were talking about

27:23

that? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Wasn't

27:25

there, I could have this wrong, but

27:27

wasn't there a thing where you guys

27:30

were, you know, where you were in

27:32

Norway, it was just absolutely. treacherous

27:34

with all the snow. And I think

27:36

you guys were scheduled to go shoot

27:39

somewhere or whatever it was, but it

27:41

was so bad, then you just

27:43

went out the back door and did

27:46

stuff. Exactly. Here's what happened. They, they,

27:48

they had, you know, our luck was

27:50

terrible. We had rainstorms in Tunisia that

27:53

cost us, we had to shut

27:55

down. Then we go to Norway, it

27:57

was like the coldest winter and I

27:59

don't know, eleveny billion years, whatever it

28:02

was. And they had found a

28:04

glacier. which was about an hour and

28:06

a half from where we were staying,

28:08

and we were meant to go on

28:11

snow buggies, because it photographed on

28:13

camera, it photographed blue. And I remember

28:15

now, this is the days before a

28:17

lot of CGI, everything was practical in

28:20

those days. So the day arrives for

28:22

us to go to this blue

28:24

glacier, and they said, it's impossible. Maybe

28:26

we go there, it'll be whited out

28:29

from the blizzard. So like you say,

28:31

it was Han Solo rescuing Luke

28:33

in the snow after getting hit by

28:35

the wampa. And if you turn the

28:38

camera around, there's people on the balcony,

28:40

sipping cocoa, watching us. Wow. We're

28:42

about 100 yards from the back of

28:44

the hotel. That's crazy. This is where

28:47

you cut the belly open on the

28:49

thing. Yeah. You got inside? Yeah.

28:51

No way! Wow. That is crazy. They

28:53

were all enjoying it. But it's funny

28:56

now because, you know, you know, in

28:58

those days. There wasn't so much security.

29:00

In other words, when I read

29:02

Star Wars, I just blew my mind

29:05

and I said, oh my God, I've

29:07

got to get my friend Jonathan to

29:09

read this. So my best friend

29:11

Jonathan worked down at the LA Art

29:14

Museum and I passed it to him

29:16

and he read it. He said, yeah,

29:18

I don't know how they're going

29:20

to do this or what it is

29:23

really. Can I give it to merit?

29:25

I said, yeah, sure. So we passed

29:27

it all around. All my friends read

29:30

it. It was before everything was

29:32

coated with your name on it. Right,

29:34

right. Where you have to protect it

29:36

with your life. But it was just

29:39

a different time. And like I

29:41

say, I had a blast. I mean,

29:43

one thing that hit me, I said,

29:45

you know what I love about this,

29:48

is you can take from it

29:50

what you want. In other words, it's

29:52

effortlessly feminist. The princess is anything but

29:54

a shrinking violent. She takes over her

29:57

own rescue. Ms. Hahn and Luke look

29:59

like a couple of chumps. You

30:01

call as a rescue? Give me that

30:03

gun. And she's standing up to Vader,

30:06

nose to nose, and you know, really

30:08

giving him. Right. And so what

30:10

I'm saying is that is just accepted

30:13

and it's ahead of its time. How

30:15

long was a shoot? Do you remember

30:17

that? Yeah, it was like, I

30:19

think it was scheduled for 10 weeks

30:22

and we went 12. But that was,

30:24

I mean, that was Star Wars on

30:26

Empire. It was crazy because it

30:28

was scheduled for three months, four months.

30:31

Everybody wrapped and went home. And I

30:33

was still the only human being on

30:35

the call sheet. There was a puppet,

30:38

a robot, various snakes and lizards

30:40

and one human being. Because they built

30:42

Dagaba on a sound stage at Elstreet.

30:44

You know, we, I mean, it's amazing

30:47

that we could get away with

30:49

that because I was reading the script.

30:51

I said, how are they going to

30:53

do Yoda? Is it going to be,

30:56

is it going to be, you

30:58

know, stop frame animation or whatever? I

31:00

didn't know it's going to be a

31:02

puppet. But I'm telling you, Frank Oz

31:05

is such an artist, when he puts

31:07

that thing on, you're just there.

31:09

You know, it was so real to

31:11

me. mold of his face, you know,

31:14

with a piece of blue tape where

31:16

his eyes are supposed to be.

31:18

And so every time you see me

31:20

in a single talking to him, he's

31:23

not there. But I can. I can

31:25

be a Jedi. I'm saying to

31:27

this phone rubber again. Again, Frank, I

31:29

mean, he's, I saw you, we're the

31:32

best of friends. What is it all

31:34

these years later? He's just one

31:36

of my favorite people in the business

31:38

and so talented. Oh, it's so amazing.

31:41

Scotty, before you go, now I'm saying

31:43

before you go, before you go, do

31:45

you want to do your, um,

31:47

yoda impression for Mark? Oh, yes, let's

31:50

hear. Oh, okay. No, I'm kidding. I'm

31:52

sure it's never been done. Oh, there

31:54

you go. There you go. That's

31:56

great. That's great. That's great. That was

31:59

great. Thank you guys. Thank you so

32:01

much. Thanks, Scotty. I'll see you. Thank

32:03

you, Scotty. That happens all the

32:05

time. I was on CNN and Jim

32:08

Acosta did an Yoda impression. Oh, yeah.

32:10

Yeah. Because it's like, unlike anything else,

32:12

everybody on the planet has seen it

32:15

and knows what it is. Think

32:17

about that. Yeah, it's strange. And I

32:19

have to tell you, when I read

32:21

it, I thought, you know, this is,

32:24

I am so there, I mean,

32:26

even if I had not got the

32:28

part, I would be dying to see

32:30

this movie. That's how I felt about

32:33

it. Do you remember, you know,

32:35

I love that story that you talk

32:37

about on Empire where you wouldn't ever

32:40

eat? You know, if the camera were

32:42

to turn around and they'd see

32:44

people sipping cocoa on the deck. Do

32:46

you look at certain scenes from over

32:49

the years from over all the movies

32:51

and go like, well, I've done this

32:53

before, but you go like, I

32:55

remember I was really sick that day.

32:58

Like you watch a take and you

33:00

go, oh, yeah, that was the day

33:02

I ate the bad fish. Well,

33:04

that was the first scene we shot

33:07

or the last scene we shot. Yeah.

33:09

They called me and I said, oh

33:11

yeah, if you can send me

33:13

a copy, I'd like to see it.

33:16

When my kids heard about it, they

33:18

said, are you kidding? You're not going

33:20

to go see it in the theater?

33:23

I said, why do you guys

33:25

want to see it? You've seen it

33:27

a bazillion times on video. They said,

33:29

but never on a big screen. Yeah.

33:32

Wow. Wow. Yeah. So I did.

33:34

I saw Empire and Jedi once in

33:36

the theater. But I haven't seen them

33:38

again since. You see them and then

33:41

you just move on. You've seen

33:43

Star Wars, Empire, and Jedi only once

33:45

in the movie theaters and never again?

33:47

No. Yeah, I don't watch them on

33:50

video to tell you the truth

33:52

and there's a certain disconnect because the

33:54

fans have seen them not only far

33:56

more recently but many many many many

33:59

more times than I have. So they'll

34:01

ask me questions where I go

34:03

wait a second. Because this is a

34:05

great, do we go to the planet?

34:08

They go, well, it's not in a

34:10

movie, it's in Splinter the Minds,

34:12

I, it's a novel, Harry Dean Fox.

34:14

So they, they play the games, they

34:17

read the books, and they know way

34:19

more about it. I know I've

34:21

disappointed people. I took a Star Wars

34:23

quiz once and flunked it. Nathan says,

34:26

it was multiple choice. What kind of

34:28

memorials? What kind of memorials. 97 because

34:30

it was the 20th anniversary of

34:32

the when it first came out but

34:35

I mean the questions like what was

34:37

Han's solo smuggling a jewelry B unit

34:39

C it was spices and Who

34:41

knows the, I mean the minutiae that

34:44

these people have is really astonishing. And

34:46

I hate to disappoint people if I

34:48

go to these. Didn't they have

34:50

spice on doing too? What's it doing?

34:53

What's what the spices in space? Well

34:55

people like. I said, there's a real

34:57

hot commodity in space. You know,

34:59

get some tarragon up in space. You're

35:02

living up the highest of cotton. Yeah,

35:04

go ahead. What is the craziest fan

35:07

interaction you've had? Well, God. Like you

35:09

have like, besides today with Scotty

35:11

today with Scotty with Scotty. Well, number

35:13

one, don't sign body parts. Oh, boy.

35:16

No good can come from that. Okay.

35:18

Noted? For the most part, you

35:20

know what it's like. I mean... Yeah,

35:22

yeah, yeah. When it all happened and

35:25

went crazy, we were sort of in

35:27

the center of the storm, so

35:29

it seemed like everybody was going... nuts

35:31

around us. We weren't going nuts. Right,

35:34

right, right. But it was a different

35:36

time. I mean, you'd have people just

35:38

proposition you like, really? Yeah, come

35:40

on back. Yeah. And we will be

35:43

right back. And back to the show.

35:45

Somebody asked me recently, they said, if

35:47

you had a time machine and

35:49

you could go back to any time.

35:52

to live, what were to be, and

35:54

I said, late 70s California. Because it

35:56

feels like it was like a

35:58

kind of unregulated, just kind of a

36:01

constant sunset, a good time party, no

36:03

rules, kind of easy, crazy. Yeah, it

36:05

was great man. Well, you were nine,

36:08

but Mark you as somebody who

36:10

was like at the pinnacle of the

36:12

film industry in that time, it must

36:14

have been a lot of fun. Yeah,

36:17

it was but you always try

36:19

and say I haven't changed everybody else

36:21

is going bonkers But you know you

36:23

want to hang on to then plus

36:26

you I immediately tried to throw

36:28

myself into things. I wanted to do

36:30

character parts. I wasn't getting them. You

36:32

know, these guys, you do one thing

36:35

well, they want you to do

36:37

the same thing over and over again.

36:39

So I went to New York and

36:41

I was able to do character parts.

36:44

It wasn't until I discovered animation. I

36:46

thought, oh, where's this been all

36:48

my life? Because they cast with their

36:50

ears, not their eyes. You're able to

36:53

play all these parts, you'd never get

36:55

on camera. what I'm you know

36:57

I'm five nine at best but wait

36:59

a minute this is this is this

37:02

is mark this is you as the

37:04

Joker which is fucking crazy it's

37:06

incredible because now there's a teeny little

37:08

bit of me and you too bats

37:11

why aren't you laughing away that's from

37:13

Arkham Asylum and you know I had

37:15

done the role for however long

37:17

the first iteration came in there's so

37:20

many good Jokers after me, Kevin Michael

37:22

Richardson and Jeff Bennet. No, you're one

37:24

of the most iconic ones now.

37:26

It's incredible. But what I'm saying is

37:29

when we got to the video games,

37:31

because I mean, I get mail in

37:34

the original incarnation saying, why doesn't

37:36

the Joker kill more people? And you

37:38

have to say, it's a children's cartoon.

37:40

There's this standards and practices. There was

37:43

a list of things that you

37:45

could not do, you could not punch

37:47

someone directly in the face. You couldn't.

37:49

throw someone through a playclass window. No

37:52

nudity, no liquor, no drugs, etc. Somebody

37:54

made a drawing, Bruce Tim made

37:56

a drawing a Batman flying through a

37:58

glass window with a gin bottle and

38:01

a hypodermic needle and a girl, you

38:03

know, bare chest and he broke

38:05

all the rules in one. But by

38:07

the time we got to the video

38:10

games, which is, I don't know, I'm

38:12

bad on time these days, but

38:14

10, 20 years later. Because Kevin Conroy

38:16

was always my Batman. Okay, that's what

38:19

I was going to ask you, who

38:21

your Batman was. Yeah, Kevin Conroy. When

38:23

Kevin passed, I said, this is

38:25

a time for me not to do

38:28

it anymore because, you know, I got

38:30

to the point where my agent would

38:32

call and they say, they want

38:34

you for a joke, or I'd say,

38:37

is Kevin doing it? If they said

38:39

yes, I'd say, then I'm in. I

38:41

wouldn't even have to read it.

38:43

But what I couldn't get used to

38:46

with the video games with the video

38:48

games, the video games, because they were

38:50

the video games, because they were

38:52

the video games, because they were for

38:55

video games, because they were for video

38:57

games, because they were for video games,

38:59

because they were for video games, because

39:02

they were for video games, because

39:04

they were for video games, because they

39:06

were for video games, because they were

39:08

for, because they were for, for, for,

39:11

for, for, for, for, for, for,

39:13

for, for, for And people did die.

39:15

I mean, there was, I'm looking at

39:17

going, can we say this? Much more

39:20

sophisticated than the early stuff. Yeah,

39:22

for sure. But I want to ask

39:24

you a question, Sean, because one of

39:26

the things I miss about living in

39:29

New York, because we had an apartment

39:31

there for 19 years, is seeing

39:33

theater, and I would have loved to

39:35

have seen you play Oscar Levant, because

39:38

I could see it. I could see

39:40

your face morphing into that character.

39:42

Oh, so long Oscar was such a

39:44

good, oh, dude. And when I was

39:47

a kid, I mean, on in the

39:49

summertime, I could stay up past

39:51

my bedtime and watch Twilight. zone and

39:53

Dick Van Dyck and all. the shows

39:56

I loved and I saw I used

39:58

to watch Jack Parr and Steve

40:00

Allen and Oscar Levant fascinated me as

40:03

a kid because he was effortlessly witty

40:05

but he had all these ticks and

40:07

nervous ticks and the smoking and all

40:10

of it and I thought oh

40:12

well you know Well, I thought you

40:14

did. Well, I'm gonna do it again

40:16

in London and next summer, but just

40:19

for a limited time if you

40:21

find yourself out that way. I'll keep

40:23

that in mind. Sean, what a mind

40:25

blow if you go and you're doing

40:28

a play that you wanted Tony

40:30

for, which again, sorry, just a quick,

40:32

yeah, you wanted Tony for, and then

40:34

you get to go and you do

40:37

it on the west end of London,

40:39

and you've just invited. Mark Hamill,

40:41

I know, that is crazy. No, it's

40:43

true, Mark, this is big for him.

40:46

This is big for anybody, but it's

40:48

big. I had a rule with

40:50

a stage man or I said, don't

40:52

tell me who's out front, because what

40:55

happened was, I came in and everyone

40:57

said, you know what's in the

40:59

audience? Jackie Gleason. Yeah, I thought, oh

41:01

no, because Herrigan and Hart had been

41:04

pitched. to Gleason and Kearney in the

41:06

60s. And it didn't happen for

41:08

whatever reason. But you know, he's really

41:10

familiar with that era and that music

41:13

and all of it. So I mean,

41:15

it was something I wish I had

41:17

not known because you want to

41:19

be totally there. You don't want to

41:22

be thinking, oh, what did Jackie think

41:24

of that? Right, right, right. For sure,

41:26

for sure. And sometimes, you know,

41:28

you can't, you can't help it because

41:31

other cast members would be like, come

41:33

off they'd hand me a note and

41:35

I'd see you know who was

41:37

there but yeah that must have been

41:40

my probably easier for you to do

41:42

Levant than doing someone as recognizable as

41:44

Jerry Lewis and you just killed oh

41:47

thanks you know what you know

41:49

what he was let me put it

41:51

this way my review was it was

41:53

Oscar Levant just as I remembered him

41:56

oh god that's what my dad

41:58

wrote okay so anyway so I can't

42:00

believe you Did you did Will and

42:02

Jason Meath on arrested development? Is that

42:05

where you guys? Yes, we did.

42:07

Yeah, we did. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

42:09

By the way, I'm still mad they

42:11

cancel that. Everything I like, it's canceled.

42:14

Yeah, yeah. And I hold grudges for,

42:16

I'm still mad, they canceled square

42:18

pegs and that was 1982. Oh, boy

42:20

was that good. Colucci's department. Mark, I

42:23

got a question. for you, when you

42:25

said you were, you had done

42:27

the pilot, you got fired from eight

42:30

is enough, is that what happened? Or

42:32

they, you got replaced. No, they just,

42:34

they redid it with, like I

42:36

say, a different father. Right. Well, we

42:39

call that fired. Yeah. Oh, okay. Yeah,

42:41

sure. I was sure. But what year,

42:43

like, how soon after that did

42:45

Star Wars happen? Well, I think, yeah,

42:48

it was probably six months later or

42:50

something. So what's crazy about it is,

42:52

the reason I bring it up, and

42:55

I've talked about this before, is

42:57

six months before I got the pilot

42:59

for the rest of development that changed

43:01

my life. I got let go from

43:04

a show, they replaced my character,

43:06

actually they just wrote them out. And

43:08

at the time, I was like, oh,

43:10

I was a series regular on a

43:13

sitcom, I was gonna make money

43:15

and all this kind of shit, and

43:17

I got so bad. And six months

43:19

later, I didn't know that the universe

43:22

had made space for me to have

43:24

to do the thing that would

43:26

change my life. And so it's very,

43:28

so now I didn't become a global

43:31

superstar in the way you did, but

43:33

no, but still, but still, like,

43:35

like, like, like, like, was the thing,

43:37

like, was the thing, like, was the

43:40

thing that really propelled, propelled, propelled, propelled

43:42

me, propelled me, you know the

43:44

career. I had a similar thing happen.

43:46

I got a part on the Texas

43:49

wheelers with Jack Elam. You know that

43:51

cock-eye character from Westerns? Yeah. Now

43:53

when he did support your local sheriff,

43:55

support your local gunfire, then he got

43:58

to show his comedy chops. And this

44:00

pilot was an irreverent, it was like

44:02

the anti-Waltons. We all, Gary Busey

44:04

was the the the titular head of

44:07

the family because Jack. comes back in

44:09

the pilot having been in jail for

44:11

stealing a car or whatever. But

44:13

my character, Dubie, Dubie Wheeler, was, what

44:16

I loved about it was He was

44:18

hilarious, but he was so serious about

44:20

himself. He took himself very seriously.

44:22

Thought he was a womanizer even though

44:25

he was a virgin. All these things.

44:27

It was really for its time in

44:29

1974. I remember New York Times said,

44:32

possibly the finest you call it

44:34

comedy since Tobacco Road. And I said,

44:36

oh man, not only is this a

44:38

breakout part, but it's a comedy part,

44:41

because most part I was playing

44:43

real straightforward high school students and that

44:45

kind of stuff. So I was really

44:47

jazzed and it came out and we

44:50

made 13 episode. It got canceled

44:52

after four episodes and I was devastated

44:54

because I said I'm not going to

44:57

get another good part like this. I

44:59

just don't see it happening. I

45:01

was really really depressed but the upshot

45:03

is if that had run then I

45:06

wouldn't have been able to do Star

45:08

Wars. Exactly. That was my point. Imagine

45:10

all the scratch marks on Vader's

45:12

cape. No, it actually would have been

45:15

Will Seltzer. Oh yeah. And Terry Nunn

45:17

from, she was in a band. Oh,

45:19

I can't remember. Yeah, Terry Nunn.

45:21

She was in, not Joy Division, I

45:24

don't know, you Google it, but I

45:26

mean, it was. Like I say, it

45:28

was cast as a set, there

45:30

was no mixing and match. Right, yeah,

45:33

right. You came as a package. Berlin,

45:35

she's the singer from Berlin. That's it,

45:37

Berlin, yeah, you know, Mark, I have,

45:40

as I always say with my

45:42

guest that I bring on, that I

45:44

have 7,000 questions, but I wanted to,

45:46

you know, we got to let you

45:49

go because it's been an hour

45:51

and we promised we don't only have

45:53

you for an hour here. So, you

45:55

know. All the stuff I

45:57

wanted to ask you about just like,

46:00

you know, coming back. back to the

46:02

Force Awakens and what was that with

46:04

JJ Abrams, but anyway we'll talk about

46:06

that at dinner sometime hopefully. But I

46:09

watched the fall of the House of

46:11

Usher, I thought you were incredible, you

46:13

have the life of Chuck coming out

46:15

on Netflix, which looks so good, you

46:18

have the long walk, that Stephen King

46:20

movie, that comes out in 2025, which

46:22

is fucking, that looks incredible. And you've

46:24

been getting all these accolades for the

46:27

wild robot, the whole. I'm in the

46:29

new Spongebob square pants. Have you seen

46:31

Wild Robot? I mean, it's funny if

46:33

we should bring it up now that

46:36

we're wrapping it up. I have. I've

46:38

seen it. It's so great. I heard

46:40

it's fantastic. I read the book. This

46:42

book by Peter Brown. There's a reason

46:45

it was a number one bestseller in

46:47

the New York Times and won all

46:49

these awards. It is so perfect that

46:51

I thought, please don't mess this up.

46:54

If they can capture even 20% of

46:56

the charm of this book, we're on

46:58

a winner. The cast is beyond greater.

47:00

I was reading the book to the

47:03

kids. Yeah, it's amazing. But it's so

47:05

effortless and it's so meaningful in this

47:07

time about tolerance and joining together for

47:09

the greater good. Yeah, that's where they

47:11

lost me. Yeah, to be honest, if

47:14

I'm being real, that's where they seem

47:16

very timely, you know, given what we're

47:18

going through. It's a huge hit and

47:20

it's like getting recognized, which is great.

47:23

It's massive. It's very, yeah, I'm so

47:25

lucky. Mark, I just say just say

47:27

just say just for me. you just

47:29

you're such a delight and I'm so

47:32

excited that you're such a delight because

47:34

myself like so many people my age

47:36

you're such a part of just who

47:38

we are and who we wanted to

47:41

be and the fact that you have

47:43

maintained such a such a kindness and

47:45

a warmth and a decency in your

47:47

in your person is just is such

47:50

a relief and thank you for thank

47:52

you saying that but I have to

47:54

tell you these people when they come

47:56

up to you you know and and

47:59

talk about it they put it in

48:01

personal terms you know that helped me

48:03

get through my mother's my father's divorce

48:05

or you know whatever it is I

48:08

never get tired of it it's like

48:10

oh no let's not talk about that

48:12

again I want to hear what they

48:14

have to say you know I think

48:17

at this point since I'm sort of

48:19

Soft focus on the details, you know,

48:21

because I haven't seen that much and

48:23

really Luke had a light presence in

48:26

the sequels He did a silent cameo

48:28

in the first one and a cameo

48:30

in the last one. So I only

48:32

had that middle part But what I'm

48:34

saying is that it's it's something that

48:37

I don't take for granted and I

48:39

think how lucky I am because people

48:41

say, oh, aren't you sorry that you're

48:43

remembered for nothing but? Luke when in

48:46

fact, I never expected to be remembered

48:48

for anything. I just wanted a child.

48:50

What an absurd thing if anybody actually

48:52

says that, what an absolutely absurd thing.

48:55

It's the most famous film in the

48:57

history of entertainment. And like you said,

48:59

it's that connection and I was going

49:01

to echo what Jason said for a

49:04

kid who grew up in Toronto and

49:06

saw it the first time at the

49:08

pleasant theater on Mount Pleasant in Toronto

49:10

in the city. For me to be

49:13

here all these years later. that are

49:15

talking to you, the impact that what

49:17

you did. Yeah, and then on top

49:19

of it, you're a great dude is

49:22

really something. And I appreciate Sean mentioning

49:24

Follow the House of Usher because I'm

49:26

used to doing really bizarre and atypical

49:28

roles in animation. This is the first

49:31

time Mike Flanagan asked me to do

49:33

a character that would have been routine

49:35

in animation on camera. Yeah, because I

49:37

thought, here's this guy. who is the

49:40

soulless evil sociopath. Naturally they thought of

49:42

me. I'm so grateful to Mike Flanagan.

49:44

But we watched it, I just love

49:46

that. You knocked it out of the

49:48

park. I loved you in that part.

49:51

It was so unexpected and absolutely thrilling

49:53

to watch. And it was really one

49:55

of those things. where when I read

49:57

it, I thought, how am I going

50:00

to do this? I usually have a

50:02

slight concept of what is required of

50:04

your character to make the whole thing

50:06

work. And it was a huge ensemble.

50:09

Mike does these wonderful, you know, haunting

50:11

a fill house, haunted, blind man, or

50:13

midnight mass. So I was a huge

50:15

fan of his. And I thought, even

50:18

though I don't know how to do

50:20

this, if he thinks. I can do

50:22

it, then by gosh, I'm gonna do

50:24

it. But it was really scary because

50:27

when I was flying in Vancouver, I

50:29

still had no idea. And little by

50:31

little, his wardrobe helped me pick out

50:33

his wardrobe. As I said to the

50:36

hair people, this guy wants to get

50:38

out of bed in the morning, just

50:40

draw his, with one swipe of the

50:42

hair, so, cut it short enough so

50:45

it just lays down. It doesn't stick

50:47

up, just lies sound. Then they found

50:49

the glasses, they found the hat and

50:51

the hat and the last thing that

50:54

came, and the last thing that came,

50:56

which was really interesting that came, which

50:58

was really interesting thing that came, which

51:00

was really interesting, which was really interesting,

51:02

which was really interesting, because we didn't,

51:05

because we didn't, because we didn't, But

51:07

we were doing a scene in the

51:09

Roderick and Madeline Usher's office. And I

51:11

said, how do I convey that this

51:14

guy is completely dead inside? And I

51:16

just started talking like this. Well, I

51:18

called him. He didn't call us back.

51:20

I got a guy looking out for

51:23

him. I didn't discuss it at a

51:25

time. And I didn't say, I'm going

51:27

to go in and do this voice.

51:29

I just end the moment. Should I

51:32

do it? And I did. And after

51:34

we did a couple of setups, later

51:36

in the day, Mike walked past me

51:38

and just said, love the voice. Yes.

51:41

And I said, oh, I'm home. So

51:43

great, you became a completely different person.

51:45

Yes. Yes. And that's so rare. You

51:47

know how exciting it is that someone

51:50

thinks outside the box of what you're

51:52

known for. And I'm really lucky. And

51:54

then again, he cast me in a

51:56

small part in. the life of Chuck,

51:59

which again, he said, I'm going to

52:01

send you the script based on a

52:03

Stephen King novella. And there's a part

52:05

for you in it and blah, blah,

52:08

blah. So I'm expecting, okay, you got

52:10

Stephen King, you've got Mike Flanagan. This

52:12

is going to be the horror epic

52:14

of all time. I'm telling you guys,

52:17

it is the sweet. poignant, warm story

52:19

of a boy named Chuck at four

52:21

different stages of his life. He grows

52:23

up to be Tom Hiddleston. But it's

52:25

so atypical of both of them. And

52:28

I said to them, when we made

52:30

it, I said to Trevor Macy, the

52:32

producer, I said, I don't know how

52:34

we're going to promote this because it's

52:37

indescribable. I mean, you have to see

52:39

it to get it. It's amazing. And

52:41

you know, I saw it at his

52:43

house once, just in a little room.

52:46

But when I saw it at the

52:48

Toronto Film Festival and with an audience,

52:50

it was a revelation. Because it wasn't

52:52

in competition, but it was voted favorite

52:55

film because the audience becomes such a

52:57

part of it that things that you

52:59

didn't expect to get reactions got. reactions,

53:01

they laughed, they applauded, people were in

53:04

tears. I mean, it's really special. I'm

53:06

only... What's that one called? It's called

53:08

The Life of Chuck, and it's told

53:10

backwards. Act 3, Act 2, Act 1.

53:13

And I'm only in Act 1 at

53:15

the end of the picture. But Tom

53:17

is great. boy that plays him at

53:19

age 12 Benjamin paycheck. Remember that name,

53:22

because this kid, he can sing, he

53:24

dances, he played, he was the, the,

53:26

the Ron Howard part in the revival

53:28

of Music Man on Broadway. Jackman. And

53:31

I'm telling you, I mean, I just,

53:33

I wish you were my real grandson,

53:35

he's just phenomenal. Well, I love that.

53:37

I can't wait to see it. Yeah,

53:39

that and that comes out in May.

53:42

And then and the long walk I

53:44

can't wait because that's a crazy concept.

53:46

By the way, I read that I'm

53:48

thinking, ugh, this because I always read

53:51

the books before they even see the

53:53

script. It's excruciating. It's so horrible. Yeah,

53:55

a hundred teenage boys are forced to

53:57

participate like in an annual thing where

54:00

they have to walk at a constant

54:02

pace or they get killed right or

54:04

something like that. Yeah, there's people ready

54:06

to shoot him in the head. I

54:09

mean, I'm telling you. I mean, I'll

54:11

watch it maybe, but I can't do

54:13

something like this. And again, my son

54:15

read and said, are you nuts? This

54:18

is fantastic. You got to do it.

54:20

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But just the

54:22

violence, the gun violence alone, now luckily,

54:24

it's now they do it CGI where

54:27

you don't have to do squibs and

54:29

everybody goes. Right, right, right, right. It's

54:31

cleaned up after each take because the

54:33

bug goes flying. But I mean, it

54:36

is really gross. Right. Right. Right. Right.

54:38

Right. Right. Right. I love it, well,

54:40

you got a lot of good stuff

54:42

coming up. And by the way, if

54:45

you have any Star Wars memorabilia, you

54:47

want to get rid of, please send

54:49

it over. Yeah. And when specifically are

54:51

you going to do Oscar in London?

54:54

July through September at Barbicane Theatre. Like

54:56

three months. Like, yeah, well, well, no,

54:58

seven weeks. Seven weeks. The end of

55:00

July to like, yeah. Sounds like fun.

55:02

Summer in England. Yeah, yeah. Mark, it's

55:05

been an honor and privilege to talk

55:07

to you. I echo what these guys

55:09

say. I just can't even believe I'm

55:11

talking to you. This is crazy. When

55:14

I listen to you guys who with

55:16

Steve Martin and Martin short, I said,

55:18

well, after this, I've got to be

55:20

a letdown. Nobody can top those two.

55:23

It was one of the best episodes.

55:25

You've been such a joy. You hit

55:27

the peaks, sir. Such a joy. Thank

55:29

you for joining us Mark. Thank you

55:32

for having me. Yeah, thrill. If you

55:34

ever get hungry, call me a haven't

55:36

me. Goodbye. Thanks, Mark. What a kind

55:38

man you are. Bye, buddy. Bye. Bye.

55:41

Bye. Bye. Hi. Hey. Hey. Hey. Hey.

55:43

Hey. Hey. Hey. Hey. Hey. Hey. Hey.

55:45

Hey. Hey. Hey. I mean. My lord.

55:47

Isn't that crazy. I'm done. You said

55:50

Mark Helen now, I mean I guess

55:52

you can make you really through the

55:54

cast, of course Harrison would be amazing.

55:56

Yeah, Kerry would be hard to book,

55:59

I'm sure. She would like that. She

56:01

would like that. And you want to

56:03

say cut that now or no, she

56:05

would love it. She would love that.

56:08

She would love that. But I wouldn't,

56:10

you know. I didn't even get to

56:12

ask him about, you know, the fact

56:14

that actors, we kind of measure our

56:16

lives in like milestone of jobs, right?

56:19

We all talk, I was talking about,

56:21

like, I was doing this at that

56:23

time and this time. And for him,

56:25

Star Wars never, there's no end to

56:28

that milestone. Like, he reprised Luke's on

56:30

Mandalorian with John February, you know, and

56:32

like, he is so open and willing

56:34

to. Share to not shy away from

56:37

it and to embrace it, which I

56:39

think is really important Yeah, and he's

56:41

he loves the legacy of it. He's

56:43

not Frustrated that that was then Yeah,

56:46

I like that I like that about

56:48

him. He's not you know, sometimes they

56:50

played down like yeah, yeah, I did

56:52

you're like no no, it's a great

56:55

on it. Yeah, he was the star

56:57

of is the star of the biggest

56:59

film most famous film in the history

57:01

of our business totally It's just a

57:04

just a remarkable thing and thank God

57:06

he's proud of it. I know, incredible.

57:08

Which is your favorite film of all

57:10

the films, Shawnee? Well, the Empire Strikes

57:13

Back is pretty special. Yeah. Yeah, I

57:15

mean, I live for all of them,

57:17

but like, what was the thing about

57:19

Empire Strikes? It was just, I don't

57:22

know, it was a little more sophisticated,

57:24

it was a little more sophisticated, it

57:26

was a little more, there was a

57:28

lot of people felt like that was...

57:30

Well, a new hope is the first

57:33

one, so it's like the first time

57:35

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