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Previously on snafu.
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The FBI arrested twenty persons in
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Camden, New Jersey, early today and charge
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them.
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With trying to steal draft records from the federal
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building there.
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What we wanted was to persuade
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the jury that the war was wrong
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and that it had to be stopped, and
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that our action was an attempt
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to find a jury who would
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set us free and end the war.
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Why should these lives be cut down
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for ten rubber and oil?
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And the judge says to the four
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person, do you have any other verdicts
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on any of the other defendants that
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are different on any of these counts?
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And the foreman said, no, your honor.
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And Senator Dole, the Republican chairman
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to accuse the Democrats of trying to make
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the FBI look like an American gestapo.
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I'm the defin chairman of the City of Illinois Black
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campin party.
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Free Hampton.
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We said, we work with.
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Anybody from police, with anybody that
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has revolutions.
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On their nine.
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In the late nineteen sixties, a lot of people
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had revolution on their minds, So
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when Fred Hampton spoke, they listened.
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He really was a great organizer
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and can relate to people quite well and
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had that charism where people were followed.
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That's Omar Barbour who joined
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the Black Panther Party in nineteen sixty
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seven.
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And you have to have integrity and people have to feel
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you have integrity. And you can fill
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that with Fred that he had integrity
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because understand that racism
1:44
is an excuse you of capitalism,
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and we know that racism is just is a bad
1:49
product capitalism.
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Hampton opposed to the War in Vietnam as
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another byproduct of capitalism. He
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empathized with the people of Vietnam. In
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his view, they're suffering at the hands of the
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US military was inextricably
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linked to the oppression that Americans
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of color faced at home.
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In response to that oppression.
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And the poverty around them, Hampton
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and the Black Panthers offered simple, effective
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solutions, free breakfast
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programs for kids, free healthcare
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clinics, the kinds of things the US
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government wasn't providing. Yes,
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people say, people,
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if you are fight of.
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You a fight, it'll feel.
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Hampton mobilized real working Americans,
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particularly people of color, which made
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him a threat to the wealthy white establishment.
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Hampton knew he was on Jay Edgar Hoover's
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radar.
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We know they have half, we.
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Know they're looking for us, we know they have had us.
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And then he simmits
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fourth nineteen sixty nine data. We all
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wrote out wield and testaments.
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Police arrived at Fred Hampton's West Side
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apartment the four forty five this morning.
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They had a search war and authorizing them to look
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for illegal weapons.
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That morning, America woke up to the
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news that Hampton had been killed, ostensibly
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in a shootout with police.
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Stints Attorney's office says that Hampton and another
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man were killed in the fifteen minute gun battle
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which followed.
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The official story was the police were
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investigating a tip about an illegal weapons
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stash at Hampton's home. When the
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cops arrived, the story went the panthers
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unleashed a hail of gunfire on the police,
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setting off a shootout that killed Hampton. But
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that story did not hold up to scrutiny.
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Looking at the crime scene, it was immediately
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apparent that there hadn't been a shootout
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at all. At least one hundred shots
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had been fired, but the bullet holes clearly
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showed that ninety nine of them had come
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from police guns. Outside.
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Hampton didn't pick up a gun. He
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hadn't even gotten out of bed. The
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police had murdered him in cold
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blood.
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When we found out that of all the shots that
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were fired in the apartment, only one was fired
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out and everything is fire in then it
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became much more clearer than there was a shooting.
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And now the shootout never.
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Said a word.
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You never got.
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About the bed.
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Akua and Jerry was Fred Hampton's girlfriend
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at the time of the shooting. She was eight months
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pregnant. In this interview, she's holding
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their new infant son.
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The person was in the room. They kept
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going out, stop shooting, stop shooting.
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We have a pregnant woman or pregnant sister in
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here.
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Piggs kept on shooting.
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Heard Pigs say he's barely
4:31
alive, he'll barely make it. As
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soon they were talking about shevving fled. Then
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they started shooting Pig. They started shooting
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up, shooting again. I
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heard the screen. They
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stopped shooting. Pig said
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he was good and dead.
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Now the
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whole thing was fabricated and was
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disproved, And that really got to
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understand that there was definitely much more involved
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than just them coming to Servi a Warren or
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whatever. The justification was.
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In nineteen seventy one, the Illinois States
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Attorney who ordered the raid was charged
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with obstructing justice. In the Hampton case,
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the illusion that Hampton died in a gunfight
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with police evaporated, leaving
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the public to wonder who wanted
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him dead and why they thought
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they could murder him with impunity.
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The answers took years to come out, but when
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they finally did, America
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would learn the truth behind Hampton's murder
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and the truth about Jaedgar Hoover's
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secret FBI. I'm
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Ed Helms and This is Snaffo, a
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show about history's greatest screw
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ups. On season two, medburg
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the story of a daring heist that exposed
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Jaedgar Hoover's epic FBI
5:54
snaffo. The
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Citizens Commission to Investigate the FBI
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had pulled off an incredibly risky
6:01
heist. They'd leaked the stolen documents
6:03
to the press and successfully evaded
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j Edgar Hoover's dragnet. As
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you might recall, buried within those documents
6:12
was a single word, a code name
6:15
co intel pro. To
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the burglars. At the time, it meant
6:19
nothing, just some bureau jargon. Soon
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an even splashier scandal, Watergate
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was dominating the headlines the media.
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Burglary could have become a historical footnote,
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but it.
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Wasn't over yet.
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I had gone to the Senate Judiciary Committee
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to pick up a very mundane
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item, and people
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were using the photo copy of the machine,
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and I had to wait to get
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a copy of this report.
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Carl Stern was a young reporter covering
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the Justice Department for NBC. One
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day in nineteen seventy two, he was in a
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government office, just waiting for a copy
7:15
machine when an offhand comment piqued
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his interest.
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While I was waiting, my friend said,
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here, ever seen these papers?
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And he had a couple of dozen
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pages that had been provided
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courtesy of the Citizens Commission
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to Investigate the FBI. While
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you're wasting time here, why don't you take
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a look. And flipping through
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the pages, I noticed one It
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said Cohen telpro new
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Left.
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The FBI file contained an article from
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Baron's magazine criticizing left
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wing student activism at Columbia.
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The file also contained a memo to agents
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of the media FBI office instructing
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them to anonymously mail this article
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to local college administrators.
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It was you know, a little handwriting below
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the notice to the field office
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that said Tom or for the
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agent in charge there, Tom Lewis, Tom,
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can you handle swarththor Haverford
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and Villanova. I mean, they had
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this thing really quite
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explicitly described.
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That's what caught my eye.
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The implication was clear the FBI
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was covertly trying to sway colleges
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into cracking down on anti war students.
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Co Intel pro New Left appeared
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to be the name of this operation. But
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what the hell kind of operation was
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this?
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Mailed anonymously? Do
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FBI agents mail andi
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leftwik literature anonymously? Is
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that what FBI agents do?
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And that's what bothered me.
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Carl asked his usual government sources.
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A series of Justice Department
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and FBI employees.
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When I raised the you
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know, we can't talk.
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About that, which is FED
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speak for keep your nose out
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of this, Carl.
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Well, nothing is going to get a reporter's interest
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more quickly than SAGA can't talk about
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it.
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So Carl turned to FOYA, the
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Good Old Freedom of Information Act, although
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at this time it was actually the Good New
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Freedom of Information Act. It had
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only passed a few years earlier in nineteen sixty
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eight, Of course, the FBI denied
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his initial request, citing national security
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concerns, but Carl was a
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dog with a co intel pro bone,
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so he sued the government. Now,
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a judge would read a batch of documents explaining
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co intel pro and rule on
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whether or not they could be released to Carl,
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but he.
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Didn't want to read all those pages, so.
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He gave it to his clerk, one of his clerks, to
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read over the weekend. The clerk
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lived in one of these housing to
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elements over in Virginia. It
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was summertime, quite hot. He went to the swimming
10:14
pool to take a tip and took
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a handful of the documents with him
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to read at the pool.
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Northern Virginia, where even the pool side
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reading is highly classified.
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Okay, well, unfortunately,
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after his swimming went back to his apartment, the
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doorbell rang and it was some sweet
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young thing holding the documents,
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saying, sir, you left me. He's under your
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chair, your lounge. So
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here were these highly important
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documents which were in court litigating
10:47
the sea, and they were under his chair
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at the swimming pool.
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There's probably an alternate universe in which
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the aforementioned sweet young thing
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was a Soviet spy who picked up
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these documents, leaked them all and brought down the
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US government.
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But instead that sweet
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young thing who found
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retrieved these documents save the
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Republic as she became
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the Clerk's wife.
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Yep, it was.
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The first meet cute in the history of the
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Freedom of Information Act. A victory
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for love and soon maybe
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a victory for Carl. But
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just as Carl started digging for its deepest,
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darkest secrets, the
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Bureau suffered the greatest loss
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of its sixty four year history. I'll
11:38
let Walter Cronkite break the news to you.
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Good evening. Jay Edgar Hoover has
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died at the age of seventy seven. For
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almost every living American generation,
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Hoover, the director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation,
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stood as a symbol of incorruptible
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law enforcement and untouchable
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who liked to boast that his men could not be
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bought.
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In May second, nineteen seventy two, j Edgar
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Hoover died suddenly at his home in Washington,
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DC. The official cause of death
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cardiovascular disease.
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We like to think that maybe we hastened that a
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little bit.
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Okay, so Bonnie Rains and the other burglars
12:14
might not have been too upset, but
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mainstream America was in mourning. President
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Nixon ordered flags flown at half staff.
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Hoover's body lay in state at the Capitol Rotunda,
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the first unelected civil servant given
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that honor. After thousands
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of people streamed through the Capitol to pay their
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respects, the only director the
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FBI had ever known was laid
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to rest at Congressional Cemetery.
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It is eulogy for Hoover. President
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Nixon didn't just praise the late FBI director.
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He also lashed out at the FBI's haters.
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The FBI will carry
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on in the future true
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to its finest traditions in the past, because,
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regardless of what the snipers and detractors
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would have us believe, the fact
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is a director
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Hoover built the bureau
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totally on principle.
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Hoover died a hero to mainstream America,
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having blackmailed, imprisoned, buried,
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or otherwise outlasted generations
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of enemies and detractors.
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I'll be honest, I wish Hoover had lived
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just a little bit longer, because
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the following year, the judge in Carl
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Stearn's Secret Document case ruled
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in his favor and ordered the
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release of a few crucial documents
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explaining that mysterious phrase co
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intel pro.
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What I got was four pages
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of paper.
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Okay, so not a lot of pages, but turns
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out a lot of revelations
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even then.
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The first of the four pages
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reference eighth co
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and tailpro programs dealing
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with things as the
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Black Extreamist Socialist Workers
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Party, disruption of white
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hate crubs, they got New Left, of course,
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so on and on.
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It had been more than two and a half years since
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the Burglars first uncovered that word co
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intel pro. Now finally
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the world would know what it meant.
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This was the umbrella term for no fewer
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than eight FBI programs,
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all using patently unconstitutional
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counterintelligence tactics against
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American citizens, and,
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according to Carl sources, all
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happening without the knowledge of
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any Attorneys general. It
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was an explosive story. On
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December sixth, nineteen seventy three, a
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dapper and confident young Carl Stern
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appeared on the NBC Nightly News and
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introduced America to the dark
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sides of j Edgar Hoover and
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the FBI.
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The documents proved for the first time with the
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FBI undertook a program to
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harris and destroy new Left political
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organizations whose views the federal
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police agency disagreed with. Wrote
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FBI Director Hoover, the purpose
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of the program would be to expose and
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disrupt the new Left. We must
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frustrate every effort of these groups and
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individuals to consolidate their forces
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or to recruit new or youthful adherents.
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Carl's referencing memos from nineteen
15:25
sixty eight here, But to be clear, Cointel
15:28
pro began all the way back in nineteen
15:30
fifty six. The FBI
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had kept it a secret for the better part of two
15:35
decades, but now Carl
15:37
was reading the bureau's secrets out loud
15:40
on national television.
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One former agent who participated in the
15:44
program has described how burglaries,
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forged blackmail letters, and threats
15:48
of violence were used to try to stop
15:51
anti war marches. Many of the
15:53
techniques were clearly illegal, but justified
15:56
in the interest of national security. Today,
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the Justice Departments said no Attorney
16:01
General authorized or knew
16:03
of the program.
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Almost immediately the calls for congressional
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hearings began, but in classic
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Congress fashion, Congress dragged
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its feet. It took several more
16:14
shocking revelations, including the news
16:16
that Hoover had illegally spied on members
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of Congress, for the legislative
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branch to officially establish a committee
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to start looking into all this shit. Leading
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that committee was Senator Frank Church,
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Democrat of Idaho.
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He once said to me and others that
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he would be the last Democrat ever elected to
16:37
the Senate from Idaho, and in fact,
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that's exactly what happened.
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That's Locke Johnson.
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He was special assistant to Frank Church during
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what came to be known as the Church Committee hearings.
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Locke and his team of investigators conducted
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an exhaustive review of intelligence
16:52
practices at the FBI, CIA,
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NSSAY, and a bunch of other spooky
16:57
acronyms. By the way, for more
16:59
on that, I hope you'll check out our bonus interview
17:01
with Locke. Anyway,
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it took more than a year before the committee
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was ready to make its findings public.
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We were slow
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rolled and stonewalled,
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and we used a couple of Washington expressions.
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We had to fight them tooth and nail.
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Despite the slow rolling and stonewalling,
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Church's team eventually pried mountains
17:24
of co intel pro documents away
17:26
from the FBI, they conducted interviews
17:29
with agents and with victims of the
17:31
bureau's misbehavior. On
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November eighteenth, nineteen seventy five, Frank
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Church sat in a crowded, high columned
17:38
chamber in the Russell Senate Office building
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and called to order a momentous
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hearing.
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There has never been a full public accounting
17:49
of FBI domestic intelligence operations.
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Therefore this committee has undertaken such
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an investigation.
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It was packed with people. Very ornate
18:00
took place and in the front of the
18:02
people there are five hundred people or so, citizens
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and tourists in many cases, and
18:07
no doubt some KGB people, and they're trying
18:09
to learn about American intelligence. In
18:12
the front row television cameras and reporters
18:15
senators all the eleven senators, and behind
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the senators were we staffer is sitting to
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help them if they needed help.
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You can actually see a young Lock Johnson just
18:24
behind Frank Church in the old C span
18:27
footage of the hearings.
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The proceedings began with a thank you.
18:31
Frank Church voiced his appreciation
18:33
for the anonymous burglars whose courageous
18:36
actions had precipitated these hearings.
18:39
From there, the focus turned to two government
18:41
lawyers, Fritz Schwartz and
18:44
Curtis Smothers. They were there
18:46
to lay out the facts of Hoover's secret FBI.
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Here's Schwartz now turning
18:51
to Cohen Tailpro coen.
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Telpro is a abbreviation
18:56
of the words counter intelligence program.
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Telpro is the name
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for the effort by the Bureau to
19:05
destroy people and to destroy organizations,
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or, as they used the words disrupt, to neutralize.
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All the horrible operations by
19:16
the intelligence agency is, particularly the FBI
19:19
against American citizens, had
19:21
their origins in this false belief
19:24
that communism was going to destroy
19:26
US.
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Counterintelligence activities are by definition
19:32
conducted to counter the activities
19:34
of foreign intelligence agents, but
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for years the FBI had operated under
19:39
the assumption that anyone speaking out against
19:41
the government could be a foreign agent,
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or at least could be investigated
19:46
as if they were.
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Here's Curtis Smothers.
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Part of the problem as they attempted to translate
19:51
the tactics used first against the Communist
19:53
Party against virtually every
19:56
perceived enemy. As the Bureau looked
19:58
across the landscape and decided whose be
20:00
neutralized, discredited, or destroyed,
20:03
take.
20:03
For example, the Socialist Workers Party. They
20:06
had been the target of what the FBI called quote
20:08
black bag jobs, acute
20:10
euphemism for when the FBI just straight
20:13
up committed burglary. Between
20:16
nineteen sixty and sixty six, FBI
20:19
agents broke into the party's New York City
20:21
offices no fewer than ninety
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two times. You know what they
20:25
say, If at first you don't succeed in finding
20:28
evidence of Soviet espionage, try try
20:30
again ninety one more times.
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More than four hundred black bag
20:37
jobs would eventually come to light. Many
20:40
of them involved photographing private homes
20:42
and offices and or leaving behind
20:44
listening devices to gather information on
20:46
their targets. This kind
20:49
of thing is legal if you have a warrant, but
20:51
the FBI never bothered with that pesky
20:53
formality, which meant none of what they
20:56
learned from these break ins would be admissible
20:58
in court. Hoover and his men were
21:00
well aware of this. They didn't intend
21:02
to build criminal cases against co intel
21:05
pros targets. Rather, the
21:07
goal of these operations was simply
21:09
to gather information that could be used
21:11
against.
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Them, all information on activities
21:14
in connection with demonstrations aimed at
21:16
social reform, whatever that
21:18
may be.
21:20
Basically, if your politics didn't meet with
21:22
the FBI's approval, the bureau
21:24
felt entitled to gather information on every
21:27
aspect of your life.
21:28
Information which extended to
21:31
their personal lives and died down to when
21:33
including sex activities.
21:36
Hoover kept these black bag jobs under
21:38
wraps with an almost unbelievably
21:40
simplistic bureaucratic trick. Any
21:42
files related to the break ins went into
21:44
a specially designated file called I
21:47
swear I'm not making this up, the do
21:49
not file file. Presumably
21:52
Hoover kept that file locked in his this
21:54
is not a filing cabinet filing cabinet
21:57
and whatever he needed to threaten, embarrass,
21:59
or just confuse his targets, he
22:02
knew exactly where to look that do not
22:04
file file.
22:06
Bureau agents were told to
22:08
attack the new Left by disinformation
22:11
and misinformation, and I.
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Will give you.
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Schwartz recounted a story from the first inauguration
22:15
of Richard Nixon. He told the committee
22:17
how a protest group called the National Mobilization
22:20
to End the War in Vietnam had
22:22
cooperated with police and their efforts to keep
22:24
demonstrations calm and organized, but
22:27
the FBI didn't want an orderly protest,
22:29
they wanted chaos, so they resorted
22:32
to counterintelligence tactics.
22:33
Now what did the FBI do. They
22:36
found out what Citizen Band
22:39
was being used for walkie talkies, and
22:41
they used that Citizen Band to supply the
22:44
marshals with misinformation and
22:46
pretending to be a unit of the National Mobilization
22:49
to end the war in Vietnam, countermanded
22:51
the orders issued by
22:54
the movement.
22:57
The bureau had targeted a lot of people
23:00
that went way beyond even spying.
23:03
These documents made it clear that the FBI
23:05
was attacking these individuals, attempting
23:08
to destroy their reputations.
23:14
As it turned out, investigating actual criminals
23:16
took a back seat to petty, vindictive
23:18
harassment, like trying to get people
23:20
fired. They'd even contacted
23:23
a bank in Wisconsin and urged them
23:25
not to give a home loan to a cub
23:27
Scout leader with Communist sympathies.
23:29
And I'll never forget going to visit
23:32
Anatole Rappaport. He
23:34
wrote some of the pioneer work in
23:37
game theory, so he was one of
23:39
America's finest intellectuals.
23:42
Rapaport was a Russian immigrant US
23:45
Air Force veteran and professor at the
23:47
University of Michigan. He'd
23:49
been at the forefront of the teaching movement, inviting
23:51
students to drop what they were doing and join
23:53
open discussions of what was going on in Vietnam.
23:57
Jego Hoover went after him like you wouldn't
24:00
leave, through anonymous letter, writing
24:02
in particular, why well,
24:04
First of all, Rappaport had been born in Russia.
24:07
Ooh, scary. So
24:09
the FBI began to send out these anonymous
24:12
letters claiming that Rappaport
24:15
was a communist, that he was in
24:17
control of Moscow and KGB.
24:19
The letters went to legislators in the
24:21
state of Michigan, went to university
24:24
administrators, and to the
24:26
great shame of all of them involved,
24:29
they believed these stories and finally
24:31
hounded Rappaport out of the
24:33
University of Michigan.
24:36
By the time Locke learned that Rapaport
24:38
had been a target of co intel pro, Rapaport
24:41
was living in Canada, and.
24:43
He sat down and leafed through these documents.
24:45
As I sat there, and he
24:48
would shake his head and he
24:50
just couldn't believe that his
24:52
own government, the
24:54
Federal Bureau of Investigation, had
24:57
been the one behind all of these attacks against
24:59
him. And at the end of going a
25:02
couple of hours through these documents, he began
25:04
to weep so very sad spectacle.
25:07
And that's just, you know, one of probably
25:11
two thousand ors so cases like
25:13
throughout the country.
25:17
This was one of co intel Pro's favorite
25:19
tactics, the poison pen letter,
25:22
usually sent anonymously or forged
25:25
to employers, colleagues, or even
25:27
loved ones. At the hearings,
25:29
Curtis Smothers was visibly uncomfortable
25:31
as he read aloud from a particularly
25:34
disgusting example, an anonymous
25:36
letter sent by the FBI to
25:38
the husband of a white woman who
25:40
was involved with a black activist group.
25:43
Look, man, I guess your old lady doesn't
25:46
get enough at home. Oh,
25:48
she wouldn't be shucking and jibing with
25:50
all black men in action, you
25:52
did, Like, all she wants to integrate
25:55
is the bedroom.
25:56
Remember, the FBI was overwhelmingly
25:59
white at this time. It was almost
26:01
certainly a white male FBI
26:03
agent who wrote these lines.
26:05
And us black sisters ain't gonna take no second
26:07
best for all men. It's
26:10
signed a soul system.
26:14
The FBI used this same tactic
26:16
against white actress Jean Seberg,
26:19
who was known for supporting groups like the NAACP
26:22
and the Black Panthers. When
26:24
Sieberg became pregnant in nineteen seventy,
26:26
the Los Angeles office of the FBI saw
26:29
an opportunity to neutralize her. With
26:31
Hoover's approval, agents furnished
26:34
fake letters to a gossip columnist
26:36
who reported in the La Times that an anonymous
26:38
actress matching Sieberg's description
26:41
had cheated on her husband with a Black
26:43
Panther and was carrying his child.
26:47
Overwhelmed with stress from these public
26:49
smears, Seeberg went into premature
26:51
labor, and the baby did not survive.
26:55
Sieberg never recovered, though
26:57
she lived long enough to see the FBI's
26:59
role in the affair come to light. She
27:02
died by suicide in nineteen seventy
27:04
nine,
27:08
and then came the bureau's most infamous poison
27:11
pen letter of all. It would emerge
27:13
as part of the FBI's sweeping and relentless
27:16
effort to disrupt the civil rights
27:18
movement. Co Intel profiles
27:20
on doctor Martin Luther King Junior revealed
27:23
that Hoover had become paranoid to the
27:25
point of delusion.
27:26
By January of sixty two. Mister
27:28
Hoover has already typed doctor
27:31
King as no good. Hoover
27:35
is particularly disturbed
27:37
after in
27:39
nineteen sixty three it became clear
27:41
that the
27:44
concept of nonviolence
27:47
was gaining adherents. Quoting
27:50
from a memorandum, the
27:52
plan here is to completely
27:55
discredit doctor King by quote, taking
27:58
him off his pedestal, and
28:00
to reduce him completely in influence.
28:05
In the wake of the nineteen sixty three March on Washington
28:07
for Jobs and Freedom, where King delivered
28:10
his famous I Have a Dream speech, Hoover
28:12
had his men conduct an exhaustive investigation
28:15
and to ties between King and Soviet
28:18
intelligence. The connection between
28:20
them, his agents reported back was quote
28:22
infinitesimal.
28:24
This was not accepted by
28:27
the director of the FBI. He
28:29
found that thinking wrong, unacceptable
28:33
and said that it must be changed, And
28:36
it was changed.
28:38
Think about that for a second. When
28:40
his own well oiled investigative machine
28:42
presented Hoover with facts that didn't line
28:45
up with his assumptions, he ordered
28:47
his agents to ignore those facts,
28:50
and he launched an effort to destroy King
28:52
anyway.
28:53
The lower level people in the FBI apologized
28:55
for having misunderstood matters, and on
28:58
they go with this effort
29:00
to discredit and start they do
29:03
the bugs on
29:05
doctor King.
29:09
Eventually, an illegal bug picked up
29:12
evidence that King was having an affair. As
29:14
he prepared to travel to Norway to accept
29:16
the Nobel Peace Prize, the FBI
29:19
sent him the ultimate poison pen
29:21
letter.
29:23
The Bureau went so far as to mail anonymous
29:26
letters to doctor King and his wife, which
29:30
were mailed shortly before he was awarded
29:32
the Nobel Peace Prize,
29:35
and finishes with this suggestion,
29:39
King, there is only one thing left for you to
29:41
do. You know what it is. You have
29:43
just thirty four days in which to do it. This
29:46
exact number has been selected for a specific
29:48
reason. It has definite practical significance.
29:51
It was thirty four days before the award.
29:53
You were done.
29:55
That was taken by doctor King to mean a
29:57
suggestion for suicide. Was it not understand,
30:00
Senator who wrote the letter? Well,
30:03
that's a matter of dispute. It was found
30:05
in the files of mister Sullivan.
30:08
Schwartz was referring to FBI Director Bill
30:11
Sullivan. Sullivan's name was all over
30:13
the co Intel pro documents. He'd
30:15
helped Hoover design the first co Intel pro
30:17
operations back in nineteen fifty six.
30:20
He claims that it's a
30:22
plant in his files and that someone else
30:24
in the Bureau in.
30:25
Fact wrote the document.
30:27
The document which was found is a draft
30:29
of the letter, which was the anonymous letter which
30:32
was actually sent.
30:32
Is there right to dispute that the letter did in fact come
30:35
from the FBI.
30:36
We've heard no dispute of that.
30:53
As the Church Committee hearings went on, it became
30:56
clear that the FBI had strayed light
30:58
years away from its mandate. The
31:00
Bureau was supposed to enforce America's
31:02
laws and prevent criminal activity, but
31:05
even when the targets were actual criminals,
31:07
co intel pro didn't appear at all
31:10
interested in enforcing the law.
31:12
We had one FBI informant
31:14
who had infiltrated the Klan.
31:17
Shortly before he was set to testify. This
31:19
informant, Gary Thomas Rowe, told
31:21
the Church Committee staff he didn't want his face
31:24
on camera. He had been a mole
31:26
in the Birmingham, Alabama KKK and
31:28
if anyone recognized them, his life might
31:30
be in danger.
31:32
So we had him wear a mask
31:35
with eye holes and a mouth
31:38
hole so he could.
31:38
Speak locks under selling it.
31:40
Roe basically testified before Congress with
31:43
what looked kind of like a diaper
31:45
on his head. Just google Gary
31:47
Rowe Church Committee you'll see what I mean.
31:50
He told us that the FBI had told
31:52
him, Look, what we want you to do is go down
31:54
there and have affairs with
31:57
clan members wives. And so
31:59
the word gets well this is going
32:01
on and the Klan members' families
32:03
will be dissolved and disrupted.
32:07
Okay, now that's a weird government
32:09
assignment. But Roe was also
32:11
gathering some very valuable intel. He
32:14
discovered that the Birmingham chapter of the Klan
32:16
was planning to assault the Freedom Writers
32:18
as they came through town. He even
32:20
learned that the local police were going to
32:22
assist them by looking the other way.
32:25
So Roe did what an informant is supposed
32:28
to do. He informed his handlers
32:30
that a violent crime was about to happen.
32:33
Did you inform the FBI about
32:35
planned violence prior to that incident?
32:38
Sir I gave the FBI information
32:40
pertanning to the Freedom Writers, so approximately
32:42
three weeks before the girth.
32:45
But the FBI did nothing.
32:47
On Mother's Day nineteen sixty one, the
32:49
Freedom Writers reached Birmingham and
32:52
were brutally assaulted by the KKK.
32:55
They were big more badly Yes, there were a
32:58
thousand men at least almost day
33:00
of the morning of the Freedom Writers, just roaming up and down
33:02
right in front of city Hall. We had baseball
33:05
bets, we had clubs, we had chains, we
33:07
had pistol sticking in our belts. It
33:09
was just unbelievable.
33:12
Later Rowe asked his handler why
33:14
the g men hadn't stepped in.
33:17
He said, we our investigating agency,
33:19
not an enforcement agency. All we do is gather
33:21
information, That was my answer.
33:26
Tens of thousands of quote subversives
33:28
surveiled over the course of decades, hundreds
33:31
of illegal break ins, thousands of informants
33:34
and wiretaps. You think
33:36
that casting a net this wide the FBI
33:38
would have prevented some crime or another,
33:41
even if it was by accident. Hadn't
33:43
the GMN caught at least one actual
33:45
bad guy in all of this? Apparently
33:49
not. Just as blanket
33:51
surveillance had failed to catch the media burglars,
33:54
a decade and a half of co intel pro operations
33:57
also failed to catch a single
34:00
Communist agent or any other
34:02
criminal, Hoover's
34:04
FBI had gotten people fired, broken
34:06
up marriages, destabilized law
34:08
abiding political groups, and sown
34:10
a general sense of paranoia throughout
34:12
the American left. But years
34:14
later, when historian and FBI
34:17
expert Athan Theoharis conducted
34:19
an exhaustive analysis of everything
34:21
that had come to light, he reached a
34:24
devastating conclusion quote,
34:26
I can think of no crime that
34:28
was stopped by information gained during
34:31
co intel pro. Co
34:34
Intel pro hadn't saved a single
34:36
American life. In fact, as the
34:38
Church Committee was about to learn, the
34:40
opposite was true, the FBI
34:43
had American blood on its hands.
34:51
In nineteen sixty eight, j Edgar Hoover wrote
34:53
a memo. In it he urged his g men
34:55
to quote prevent the rise of
34:57
a messiah who could unify and
34:59
elect the militant black nationalist
35:02
movement. That movement and
35:04
its leaders became co intel pros
35:07
chief targets, and.
35:08
Black Panthers, by the way, were the arch
35:11
victims among all the
35:14
array of other victims from
35:16
Anatole Rappertport to doctor King
35:18
to klueclickt Plan,
35:20
you name it. The Black Panthers
35:22
and other black kind of extremist
35:25
groups but non violent and
35:28
were the major targets
35:30
that Hoover wanted to destroy it.
35:33
He declares the Black Panther Party the
35:35
greatest threat to the internal security of the
35:37
United States in nineteen sixty eight.
35:39
That's Donna Merch, a scholar of the Black
35:41
Panther Party.
35:43
And does it it precisely the moment that
35:45
the party is turning away from
35:47
its use of police
35:49
patrols and explicit
35:52
arm self defense imagery.
35:55
These police patrols were organized groups
35:57
of Black Panthers who patrolled their neighborhood
35:59
are in accordance with the Second Amendment
36:02
as a deterrent against police violence.
36:05
They saw this as an essential way to defend
36:07
their communities against ongoing, unchecked
36:10
and widely accepted abuse from
36:12
police. But Donna says
36:14
the Panthers were turning away from their focus
36:17
on guns in favor of social programs
36:19
just as the FBI stepped up its efforts
36:22
against the Panthers. She told
36:24
us the FBI's interest in the Panthers was never
36:26
really about the threat of violence, but
36:28
about their ideas.
36:30
And so I think there was a real sense of fright about
36:33
the strength of their ideas and the
36:35
depth of support that they had within the black community,
36:38
but also among Mother Country radicals,
36:41
among white college students, also
36:43
white artists and writers. Because
36:45
the Panthers were an intellectual movement.
36:49
It was just awakening,
36:51
if you will, as what it was to be a
36:53
young black Afnan American.
36:55
This is Omar Barber again, whom you heard from
36:58
at the top of this episode on
37:00
a party.
37:00
One of the things we had to do was to read and not
37:02
only the autobioer Malcolm X, but James Baldwins
37:06
of various books as
37:08
well as France Banon.
37:10
I reatch you out earth.
37:12
If this is different from the image you have in your mind
37:15
when you hear Black Panthers, that's
37:17
probably because the FBI was so successful
37:20
in smearing them. The Panthers
37:22
were committed socialists. Fred
37:24
Hampton's socialist principles compelled
37:26
him to feed the poor, educate
37:29
kids, and reach out across
37:31
racial lines. In
37:33
sixty eight, Hampton formed the Rainbow
37:36
Coalition, a collection of groups that were
37:38
not natural allies. In fact,
37:40
some of them had actively fought against each other.
37:43
They ranged from street charities to street
37:45
gangs, and from Chinese and Puerto
37:47
Rican revolutionaries to the Young
37:49
Patriots Organization, a group of
37:51
poor white Appalachians who'd moved
37:54
to Chicago to find work. Through
37:56
the Rainbow Coalition, Fred demonstrated
37:58
that these disparate movements had
38:01
a lot in common.
38:03
But then he would articulate what
38:05
that stand up living was, that children's
38:08
educations, the ability to
38:10
feed themselves, and he would say, look, that's
38:12
the same problem we have down in Bronsville
38:15
in Chicago. He wasn't coming
38:17
to those Appellachian whites and saying,
38:19
you know, your guys should come with us, because we
38:22
the better ones. And now he was saying, you know, if
38:25
you really look at your condition and
38:27
you understand it is because of capitalism.
38:32
The Black Panther newspaper, which
38:34
they distributed in cities all over the country,
38:36
was a visible reminder of their presence and
38:39
their political agenda. So were
38:41
the Panthers food distribution programs.
38:44
Both became targets of the FBI.
38:46
They sprayed scatole,
38:49
which is a foul smelling basically
38:52
chemical agent on the newspaper.
38:54
We used to get the paper shipped in from
38:57
Oakland and to Kenney Airport. We go pick up
38:59
the papers. They would be destroyed what and
39:02
we would get a call from not to the workers say, man,
39:04
you guys been to go to papers. In fact, some of the workers used
39:06
to hide out papers for us to we come get them, and
39:08
stuff like.
39:09
That the breakfast programs had to constantly
39:11
be moved, that they were really
39:14
trying to destroy the breakfast programs
39:16
because they meaning the FBI
39:18
and local on state law enforcement,
39:21
they saw those as such a danger
39:23
because of the ways that they would influence parents
39:26
and children and families.
39:28
Omar and a fellow Panthers knew they were being
39:31
targeted by the government, but it was never
39:33
really clear exactly who was behind
39:35
it.
39:36
The core strategy is to criminalize
39:38
and kill the leadership of the party
39:40
and the rank and file. At the very
39:42
least a third of the party was
39:44
agen provocateurs and informers.
39:48
Omar says, it's now clear that many of
39:50
the people around him were working to undermine
39:53
the Black Panther Party.
39:54
We had members who were doing stick
39:56
ups, robbing people, and
39:59
doing other things, and we call them agent
40:01
provocate tools.
40:02
These provocateurs would commit flagrant
40:04
crimes like robberies and muggings, and
40:07
they would make sure that their actions implicated
40:09
the Panther organization, giving law enforcement
40:11
an excuse to move in.
40:13
And subsequently we learned to find a lot
40:15
of those people where in fact, not only
40:17
agent provocate tools, but undercover officers,
40:21
and.
40:21
You're inserting people into organizations to
40:24
increase that level of anger and to increase
40:27
that level of violence,
40:29
and often inserting violence because
40:31
that was a way to have people arrested and then locked
40:34
away in prison.
40:36
The FBI strategy worked. The
40:38
bureau successfully created deep
40:40
rifts within the party, using
40:43
forged letters and agent provocateurs
40:45
to encourage violence and foster grievances.
40:48
The same was true for the Black Panthers' relationships
40:51
to other black organizations.
40:53
A special agent in San Diego wrote
40:55
a classified
40:58
letter back to Jagger, who were saying, we've
41:00
managed to convince one black
41:03
group in San Diego that
41:06
the real enemies are another black group,
41:08
and we've got them into an argument, and
41:11
there have been some shootings and some killings
41:13
between these two groups. And we prevented
41:16
them from concentrating on civil rights by
41:18
getting them involved in gang warfare against
41:20
each other. And that was
41:23
a co Intel pro goal.
41:27
In nineteen sixty eight, co Intel Pro successfully
41:29
framed a Panther named Geronimo Pratt,
41:32
who was arrested and convicted of murdering
41:34
a woman in Los Angeles. He
41:36
spent twenty seven years in prison before
41:39
it was finally proven that Pratt had
41:41
been in Oakland, four hundred miles
41:43
away.
41:44
At the time of the crime.
41:46
The FBI had known Pratt was innocent
41:48
the entire time, but
41:50
they allowed him to spend nearly three decades
41:53
in prison. And
41:56
then there was the case of Fred Hampton.
41:58
The Black Panthers, and many of had long been
42:00
convinced that Jay Edgar Hoover had assassinated
42:03
Hampton. Now that Hoover was dead
42:05
and his secrets were out, the nation finally
42:08
learned the full story. In
42:11
nineteen sixty seven, a young black man named
42:13
William O'Neil stole a car in Chicago,
42:16
drove it to Indiana, and abandoned
42:18
it. Since he'd crossed state lines,
42:21
his crime was a federal one, so the
42:23
FBI investigated.
42:24
Eventually, an agent caught.
42:26
Up with O'Neil.
42:27
He told him that even though he was caught
42:29
red handed, there was no need
42:31
to worry. They could work something
42:34
out. He then asked O'Neill
42:36
to infiltrate the Illinois Black Panther
42:38
party. O'Neill
42:41
excelled as an informant. He ingratiated
42:43
himself with the Panthers and became head of security
42:45
to their charismatic young leader, Fred
42:48
Hampton. In late
42:50
nineteen sixty nine, O'Neill provided
42:52
the FBI with the address of the house where
42:54
Hampton was staying. He told
42:56
them there were guns there, and
42:58
he drew a map of the house, even marking
43:01
the location of Fred Hampton's bed.
43:05
On the night of December third, nineteen sixty nine,
43:07
O'Neil slipped a sedative into a glass of kool
43:09
aid and gave it to Chairman Fred
43:12
and then departed. A
43:14
few hours later, the police arrived and shot
43:16
their way into the apartment using the
43:18
map. They went straight to the bedroom and killed
43:20
Fred Hampton in cold blood as he lay
43:23
drugged and knocked out in his bed.
43:31
O'Neil was not the last informant and
43:33
Hampton was not the last Panther to die.
43:36
Not only was it the organizations
43:39
that were targeted Cointelpro, but the
43:41
greater Black community. There was
43:44
a criminalation of a people, a
43:46
race of people, not just the organization
43:48
that may be and represented those people. That's
43:50
the angle that we still have to look at. There
43:53
were a lot of panthers that were killed in very
43:55
unusual circumstances that a
43:57
lot of pants in that won in jail. If
43:59
the committee's invest atic guy
44:01
had not uncovered those files,
44:04
I think we would have seen more desks.
44:07
As part of his research before the hearings,
44:09
Locke Johnson traveled to Boston to interview
44:11
former FBI Assistant Director Bill Sullivan,
44:14
one of the chief architects of co Intel
44:16
pro Now. He
44:18
was sitting directly across from Locke in
44:21
a private room at Logan Airport.
44:23
And I asked him, how could you have
44:25
done these things? How
44:27
could you have tried to destroy anatole,
44:29
rappaport and doctor
44:32
King and the hundreds
44:34
upon hundreds of other people in
44:37
the civil rights movement and in
44:39
the anti war protest movement. How
44:41
could you have done that to these people
44:44
who weren't breaking any laws, that
44:46
they were expressing their views. And
44:49
he said, that's what
44:51
Hoover wanted me to do. And
44:54
I had a mortgage on my house and
44:57
I had three kids in college.
45:00
I reminded me of Hannah
45:02
Urant's banality of evil.
45:05
Help people do the most awful things
45:07
for the most mundane reasons.
45:10
It was really quite shocking. You
45:25
know the old cliche about you could hear a
45:27
pin drop, That's exactly what it was.
45:29
In the Russell.
45:30
Auditorium after hearing the facts
45:32
of Cotel pro laid out before the Church
45:34
Committee. Michigan Senator Philip
45:36
Hart spoke up.
45:37
I've been told for years by,
45:41
among others, some of my own family
45:43
that this is exactly what the Bureau was
45:45
doing all the time, And in
45:48
my great wisdom in
45:50
high office, I assured them
45:52
they were on pot.
45:55
This just wasn't true, couldn't
45:58
happen. They wouldn't do it.
46:00
Heart was nearing the end of his third and final term
46:02
in the Senate. His health was declining.
46:05
In fact, according to Locke, Heart had to
46:07
miss some of the hearings for medical reasons,
46:09
but he had heard enough.
46:11
What you've described is a series of
46:13
illegal actions intended
46:16
squarely to deny First Amendment
46:18
rights to some Americans. The trick,
46:21
now, as I say
46:23
it, Miss Chairman, is for this committee
46:26
to be able to figure out how to persuade
46:29
the people of this country that indeed it did
46:31
go on, and how
46:34
shall we ensure that it never happened again.
46:37
And it was kind of a turning point in which
46:40
even the three conservative
46:42
Republicans sort of had an epiphany
46:45
that the FBI had really gone way too
46:47
far. They had no accountability,
46:50
and the anchor of democracy is
46:52
accountability.
46:53
As he filled the questions from the Church committee,
46:56
visibly sweaty and red as a phone
46:58
tapping Tomato. FBI
47:00
Deputy Associate Director James Adams
47:02
acknowledged that the Bureau had strayed
47:05
from its mission. He encouraged
47:07
Congress to give them some quote guidelines,
47:10
at which point Frank Church reminded him that
47:12
he already had some you know, laws.
47:16
You shouldn't have ever had to have
47:18
had guidelines to tell you that
47:20
the federal government's chief
47:22
law enforcement agency ought not to disobey
47:25
the law. And really,
47:27
you don't need explicit guidelines
47:29
to.
47:30
Tell you that, or you shouldn't have.
47:32
Wouldn't you agree?
47:33
I would say that, looking
47:35
at it today, we
47:38
should have looked at it that way yesterday.
47:42
Hindsight's twenty twenty Congress
47:45
wasn't going to accept that old chestnut
47:48
and leave it at that. In
47:52
the wake of the Church hearings, it passed a new
47:54
law limiting future FBI directors
47:56
to a term of ten years.
47:58
Finally, seventy five, we
48:01
began to do something in the United
48:03
States of America about secret power,
48:06
the most dangerous power of all, and
48:09
we tried to tame secret power by
48:12
creating a House and sidate Intelligence Committee.
48:15
It sounds crazy now, but the
48:17
Church Committee really was the first time
48:20
that Congress ever held the FBI
48:22
to account. In
48:24
the wake of these revelations, both Houses
48:27
of Congress eventually voted to keep permanent
48:29
standing committees to review what intelligence
48:32
agencies were doing, which they still do
48:34
today. The
48:39
media burglars watched the hearings unfold,
48:42
unable to discuss them with each other or take
48:44
any credit for the crucial role they'd played.
48:47
It was very exciting when the Church Committee
48:49
decided to take us on.
48:51
This is fabulous.
48:53
I wasn't sure it was going to rise to that level,
48:55
but I thought it was amazing. And
48:58
you know, we had raised the coniousness in
49:00
the whole country about the FBI.
49:03
I had sort of a feeling
49:05
of, well, finally, you know, not
49:09
that I expected a whole lot out of it, but
49:11
at least it was, you know, the
49:14
Congress is acknowledging the
49:16
you know, the anti democratic stuff that had
49:18
been going on.
49:20
Our hope was that there
49:22
would be serious oversight of
49:25
the FBI and the CIA.
49:26
Long overdue in this so called democracy.
49:30
If you look at the history of Jaegar Hoover, it was the
49:32
most damaging act against
49:35
him in that long history. In
49:37
my view, there were more heroes and burglars
49:39
because it brought to light the fact
49:42
that cointelpro and the counter intelligence
49:44
program of the FBI existed.
49:50
Next on SNAFU, the fallout
49:53
from the Church Committee revelations,
49:56
What are.
49:57
We going to do about this? Easy as We're going to get?
49:59
The time of Goodbye, the
50:02
final chapters of our burglar stories.
50:05
I Changed, Sinning and
50:08
Sorry, My Underground Life.
50:11
And a Return to the Scene of the Crime.
50:16
Snapoo is a production of iHeartRadio,
50:19
Film, Nation Entertainment, and Pacific Electric
50:21
Picture Company in association with Gilded
50:23
Audio. This season of Snapfoo
50:25
is based on the book The Burglary The Discovery
50:28
of Jay Edgar Hoover's Secret FBI, written
50:30
by Betty Metzger.
50:32
It's executive produced by.
50:33
Me Ed Helms, Milan Papelka,
50:36
Mike Walbo, Whitney Donaldson, Andy Chug,
50:38
Dylan Fagan, and Betty Metzger. Our
50:41
lead producers are Sarah Joyner and Alyssa
50:43
Martino. Producer is Stephen Wood.
50:46
This episode was written by Albert Chen, Sarah
50:48
Joyner, and Stephen Wood, with additional writing and
50:50
story editing from Alissa Martino and Ed
50:52
Helms. Tory Smith is our associate
50:55
producer. Nevin Calla poly is our
50:57
production assistant. Facts checking
50:59
by char ARLs Richter. Our creative executive
51:02
is Brett Harris. Sensitivity consult
51:04
from Oloa Kemi Ala de Sui, editing,
51:06
sound design and original music by Ben Chugg,
51:09
Engineering and technical direction by Nick Dooley.
51:12
Additional editing from Kelsey Albright, Olivia
51:14
Canny and Jimma Castelli. Foley theme
51:17
music by Dan Rosatto. Special
51:19
thanks to Alison Cohen, Daniel Welsh and
51:21
Ben Riizak. Additional thanks to director
51:24
Joanna Hamilton for letting us use some of the
51:26
original interviews from her incredible
51:28
documentary nineteen seventy one. Finally,
51:31
our deepest gratitude to the courageous
51:34
Citizens Commission to Investigate the FBI,
51:36
Bill Davidon, Ralph Daniel, Judy
51:39
fine Gold, Keith Forsyth, Bonnie
51:41
Rains, John Rains, Sarah Schumer
51:44
and Bob Williamson.
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