0:11

Now you're just a meme that everyone shares

0:13

on Game Day. Checking first is smart, so

0:16

check all state first for quote that could

0:18

save you hundreds. You're in good hands with

0:20

all state. Savings vary subject to terms, conditions,

0:22

and availability. All state fire and casualty insurance

0:24

company in Affilius, Northbrook, Illinois. Bruce

2:07

Richard. Hey, it's Conrad Thompson

2:09

and you're listening to something

2:11

to wrestle with John Layfield? John,

2:13

what's going on? I'm still here Conrad.

2:15

I have no idea why I'm not

2:17

good at this shit. I'm here taking

2:20

Bruce's place and I'm glad to be here.

2:22

You're fantastic at it. Everywhere I

2:24

go, people are talking to me about

2:26

how much they enjoy you and I

2:28

having a conversation here on Bruce's

2:30

show. But the other question I get

2:32

is, when's Bruce coming back? And when

2:34

that happens, what's going to

2:36

happen with you and JBL? I think

2:38

we can share with everybody here,

2:41

John, the guns, blue, honest truth.

2:43

We don't fucking know. But we know

2:45

that we're going to keep doing something

2:47

we're having a blast and we hope you

2:50

are too. And if you just can't

2:52

get enough JBL, have you heard

2:54

stories with Chrisco and Bradshaw? It's

2:57

available everywhere you enjoy

2:59

podcast. Go out of your way to

3:01

see it. It's on Apple. It's on YouTube.

3:03

stories with Frisco and Bradshaw,

3:05

but today our topic is all

3:08

things JBL. It's asked JBL anything,

3:10

but before we get into that, I

3:12

do want to ask you, I guess we

3:14

should share, we are recording this

3:16

in advance of Friday nights, back

3:18

down, we're also recording this

3:21

in advance of the big

3:23

elimination chamber paper view at

3:25

the Skydome. The Skydome is such

3:27

a big building, it's important, my

3:29

fandom, one of my favorite

3:31

Wrestle as a little kid. was Holkogan

3:34

and the ultimate warrior at the

3:36

Skydome. Of course, that was one of

3:38

the biggest Monday night rolls in history

3:40

at the Skydome before as well.

3:42

Do you have any interesting Skydome

3:44

moments yourself, John, that you can

3:47

share with us? The story that Bruce told

3:49

me, and I think Pat told me, maybe

3:51

Jerry told me also about Pat watching

3:53

that match that you're talking about, was

3:55

the ultimate warrior in Holkogan.

3:58

They looked around and Pat's crying. it

4:00

was the end of something great. You know, there's always

4:02

the passing of the torch. This was, you're gonna

4:04

try to go with somebody different with the old

4:06

warrior and you know, it's kind of like, you know,

4:08

Sam Martino at the backland didn't mean that

4:10

Sam Martino's leaving anywhere, he's still gonna be around,

4:12

Hogan was still gonna be around, but it was

4:14

just such a monumental moment in the

4:16

business history that Pat got really emotional. And it

4:19

tells you how much Pat loved the business and loved

4:21

that first part of the rustle of the rustlemania,

4:23

that. That rustlemania, that was so cool. It was

4:25

so cool. It was so cool. I

4:27

absolutely love that show and I love

4:29

the story of Pat being moved because

4:31

I know that he had put together

4:34

that match down in Tampa with Warrior

4:36

at Hogan and at that time people

4:38

thought it was the Warriors very

4:40

best match and I guess the other

4:42

part of that story is they found

4:45

him tucked away in a broom

4:47

closet after the show is overwhelmed

4:49

with emotion. I know what rationally

4:51

is and I know what it is and I

4:53

know what it isn't. But man, in 1990, to

4:55

be the guy to beat whole Hogan

4:57

at WrestleMania for the world title,

5:00

that's rarefied space right there, is

5:02

it not? Yeah, and I don't know who could

5:04

have took that spot. You know, who could have

5:06

took San Martino's spot? You know,

5:08

I thought the same thing about Roman

5:10

Reigns and Cody Rhodes did it. And

5:12

that's remarkable what Cody has done. Well,

5:15

you have a champion like that, like

5:17

a Hogan, he was everything. You built

5:19

Russell Mania around him. and to try to

5:21

change and go with somebody else, I just

5:23

don't know if anybody could have filled

5:25

that role. You know, the warrior was

5:28

extremely popular, you know, he wasn't

5:30

a good worker, and that was exposed

5:32

unfortunately in the next year. You

5:34

know, his promos were odd, but they worked.

5:36

The warrior worked. I mean, he was really over,

5:39

but it was such a risk when you do

5:41

something like that. And the person that gets

5:43

that, that's why a lot of times you

5:45

have a male man as a transition. You

5:47

know, you put it on somebody that will carry it,

5:49

you know, you go through history, you can see

5:51

these mailmen that carried it for, you know, two or

5:54

three months, and then you had somebody take it off

5:56

of them and carry the title. It's hard to

5:58

take it directly off the legend. himself.

6:00

Well, we're going to be talking about

6:02

the legend of John Sina. I'm sure

6:05

when we talk about the story

6:07

of 2025, John Sina found himself

6:09

as a member of this

6:12

elimination chamber match. We've teased a

6:14

little bit of talk about the

6:16

elimination chamber about just

6:18

how damn unforgiving that

6:20

structure is. How many injuries have

6:23

come out of that thing? But now we've

6:25

got a who's who roster coming

6:27

down to the skydome. The rock is

6:29

going to be there and the

6:31

internet wants to know where the

6:33

hell is this going. Did you see

6:36

the promo on Friday night on

6:38

USA on Smackdown where the

6:40

rock came back? What did you think

6:42

of it? And what do you expect

6:44

to see? What do you expect to

6:47

see? What do you hope to see? What

6:49

do you hope to see this weekend of

6:51

the sky? Oh yeah. I did see it.

6:53

And I thought it was excellent. First

6:55

of all, you know, I said it's

6:58

strange. Look, it was supposed to be,

7:00

I believe. That's episodic television.

7:02

I thought it was very good episodic

7:04

television, because it didn't give us

7:07

any answers. It gave us a ton of

7:09

questions. You know, it's Roland Rains calling

7:11

the wise man and not getting answer on

7:13

the phone all of a sudden, the show ends.

7:15

That's to me kind of what happened

7:17

with the Rock and Cody Roads, and it

7:19

left so many more questions than answers,

7:22

and I think that's really great

7:24

episodic television. We're also

7:26

going to see a match that

7:28

everybody's going to be talking about.

7:31

I'm sure Sammy Zane and Kevin

7:33

Owens in Toronto in an

7:35

unsanctioned match. You mentioned

7:37

Pat Patterson. Boy, if he was

7:39

here to see this event, is

7:41

there any match he would look

7:44

forward to more than that one?

7:46

They're going to go banana. Yeah,

7:48

you know, Pat, Pat loves Sammy

7:50

for very good reason.

7:52

Sammy's incredibly talented. What

7:55

a run they've had. I

7:57

mean, this is, this is

7:59

unbelievable. that they're still working against

8:01

each other and still drawing. This

8:03

gives you, this tells you how great

8:06

both of these guys are, because they've

8:08

had a million freaking matches together. I

8:10

mean, go through history and see all

8:12

of the people who've had incredible rivalries,

8:14

you know, Horton and Sina and, you

8:16

know, uh, riskos and the functions they

8:18

can wrestle, you know, sometimes great ones

8:21

can wrestle for a couple decades. That's

8:23

hard to believe. That's what they've done.

8:25

This is really a phenomenal run. I'm

8:27

sure they'll, as they always do, are

8:29

going to have a great match. It's

8:31

going to be such a star studded

8:34

affair. You know, and once in a

8:36

time, John, it was talked about, you

8:38

know, these February paper views, and I

8:40

know technically, I guess this was happening

8:42

in March, but the February paper

8:44

view, the paper view between Royal

8:46

Rumble and Wrestlemania was always considered

8:48

like almost a lame duck paper

8:50

view. I remember in the era

8:52

of like fast lane. It's like,

8:54

okay, you might see some matches,

8:57

but realistically, everybody's just

8:59

waiting for Wrestlemania. This being

9:01

a domeshel with the elimination

9:04

chamber with John Sina, C.M.

9:06

Hunt, Drew McIntire, Logan, Paul,

9:08

Damien, Priest, and Seth freaking

9:10

Rollins, all inside the elimination

9:12

chamber, plus one for the ladies,

9:15

plus Sammy Zane and Kevin Owens.

9:17

Oh, and the rock and Cody Rhodes are

9:19

going to be there. They've pulled out

9:21

all the stops for this. This feels like

9:23

the exact opposite of the way we

9:26

used to approach February paper views. This

9:28

is not a lame duck gun. This

9:30

has consequence. It does say it's massive

9:32

consequence and I love the way it's

9:34

done. You know, I've seen a lot

9:36

of criticism out there and people want

9:38

to criticize booking. Don't blame you.

9:40

I criticize coaching in the NFL and

9:42

the coaches in the NFL. No, a

9:44

game, I don't even understand. But I

9:46

love criticizing them because it's fun. and

9:48

I love being passionate about it just

9:50

like fans love being passionate about the

9:52

guys that they love in the business

9:54

that they love. This was incredibly well done and

9:57

there and the reason is Russell Mania used

9:59

to be set. around the Royal Rumble.

10:01

Then you had the three-month build-up to

10:03

it and it's basically just all just

10:05

kind of going to russlepania. Well now

10:08

it's not set. And since it's not

10:10

set, this stadium show, this big huge

10:12

show, this show in Toronto, is going

10:14

to be one of huge significance. And

10:17

then you will start seeing the road

10:19

to russlemania become very clear. It's not

10:21

how it was done in the past.

10:24

I think what they're doing right now

10:26

is much, much, much better. How big

10:28

of an advantage do you think it

10:30

is that Wrestlemania is going to be

10:33

later this year? Of course, historically we've

10:35

always seen Russellmania around late March for

10:37

very early April. But we've got a

10:40

few extra weeks there allegedly because Vegas

10:42

wanted a tourist attraction over Easter weekend.

10:44

Maybe that historically has not been gangbuster

10:46

business for Vegas. So hey, why not

10:49

bring in Russellmania? That makes total sense

10:51

to me. But creatively, it does give

10:53

you more time to tell those stories,

10:55

right? John, is that an advantage? Huge

10:58

advantage. And again, the criticism that was

11:00

out there, there was, I don't know

11:02

how much it is, you know, you

11:05

see it on your phone, it looks

11:07

like it's a whole bunch, it's two

11:09

or three, or I have no idea

11:11

how much it actually is, but the

11:14

criticism was they didn't have things set

11:16

for russlemania. Well, russlemania is a few

11:18

weeks back, so you don't want things

11:21

set, as it normally, as it normally

11:23

is done. you're burned out. You have

11:25

no match this match this weekend would

11:27

not matter at all if russlemania was

11:30

set. You'd have some good matches, people

11:32

would tune in. But now the consequences

11:34

matter. And now you've got these extra

11:36

weeks and filled up to it. So

11:39

the road to russlemania, it starts at

11:41

Royal Rumble, but it doesn't catch on

11:43

fire. I don't believe until Toronto. And

11:46

now you've since you've got a longer

11:48

runway, I think it makes a lot

11:50

more sense to have to have. much

11:52

later than what you normally do as

11:55

it's been done in the past several

11:57

decades. It's interesting to think too because

11:59

after this paper view we've got seven

12:02

weeks of raw seven weeks of smack

12:04

down. I mean, that's a lot. That

12:06

is a lot to go out of

12:08

a paper view. I think got other

12:11

PLAs now, paper view. It's going to

12:13

be interesting to think just storyline wise,

12:15

usually after the February paper view, we

12:17

all sort of exhale and say, okay,

12:20

now we know what Wrestlemani is. But

12:22

with seven weeks, it could change. A

12:24

lot of things could change and I

12:27

think a lot of things will. I

12:29

mean I think they're doing great, you

12:31

know I saw the clip one that

12:33

Hunter said put out about, hey these

12:36

guys think they know somebody in the

12:38

inner circle and they put out, they

12:40

know the news, they know what's going

12:42

to happen. And he said nobody does.

12:45

I think they're taking great pride in

12:47

swerving everybody. So I don't think even

12:49

if things look set come this weekend,

12:52

I don't think they'll be set. Because

12:54

I think Hunter those guys, I mean

12:56

hunters are, I gotta tell you, I'm

12:58

blown away. when I've dealt with Hunter,

13:01

how much he's like Vince, and I

13:03

mean in an incredibly positive way, as

13:05

far as his knowledge of the business,

13:08

as far as how he gras stuff.

13:10

He's surrounded by great people. I mean,

13:12

you got Michael Hayes up there, you

13:14

got Bruce Richard, you got Roaddog, you

13:17

got Ed Kowski, you've got all these

13:19

incredible riding team. But those guys themselves,

13:21

these are incredibly talented guys. And that's

13:23

why I think these storylines are so

13:26

well done. You got a question here

13:28

live from Jason Taylor, who knows a

13:30

thing or two about helping you with

13:33

your taxes in real life, by the

13:35

way, if you're listening, look for Jason

13:37

Taylor, but he says, is WWE hot-shotting

13:39

the promotion, or is there roster so

13:42

loaded, and the promotion is so high

13:44

that they have major cards every month?

13:46

You know, what's the fun of time,

13:49

John, we've heard that sure build on

13:51

D, help, pop, bill-watt territory? He just

13:53

hot-shoted the thing, and then what? I

13:55

don't know if that's what's happening right

13:58

now though because there's so much talent.

14:00

What's a you John? They are so

14:02

deep. It's unbelievable. that the talent they

14:04

have, because now, look, it's not, it's

14:07

not like you had like here in

14:09

our day. We had an incredibly talented

14:11

roster. I put that roster up against

14:14

any roster in history. But they don't,

14:16

they have double our roster, because they

14:18

have double our roster, because they have

14:20

double our roster, because they have double

14:23

our roster, because they have a women's

14:25

side also, and we had a women's

14:27

division, but it wasn't their job. Now

14:30

you have not only incredibly talented roster

14:32

of men's side you have double that

14:34

Because you also have this incredibly talented

14:36

women's side So it's hard to compare

14:39

Arabs here about what's hot shot and

14:41

what's not because you literally have twice

14:43

the amount of talent I saw the

14:45

first Netflix Show they did and I

14:48

thought man, how are you gonna? This

14:50

is like russelvania and then you start

14:52

seeing him back off just a little

14:55

bit and that's that's what you do

14:57

You know, you hotshot a couple things

14:59

that you have to do, then you

15:01

start just having your regular shows. A

15:04

lot of things look hotshotted, but I

15:06

think it's because the roster, I agree

15:08

with you, Conrad, it's so deep. And

15:11

legitimately, it's double the size of the

15:13

roster that we had in the late

15:15

90s. We are going to throw you

15:17

guys the keys to the show, just

15:20

like we did there with Jason Taylor.

15:22

It really is. Ask JBL anything. But

15:24

before we get started, I gotta ask

15:26

JBL, actually I don't have to ask

15:29

JBL, what's his favorite whole body deodorant?

15:31

It's Mando! By the way, you would

15:33

think that this was, hey, listen, go

15:36

back to me for a second. This

15:38

is real. I got Mando right here.

15:40

Mando is a great product. I'm a

15:42

big believer. You should be too. It's

15:45

safe to use anywhere on your body.

15:47

I put this on my pits. I

15:49

put this on my pits. Listen Mando's

15:52

body created by a doctor who saw

15:54

firsthand how normal B.O. is being misdiagnosed

15:56

and mistreated. It's being clinically proven to

15:58

block odor all day and control odor

16:01

for up to 70. two hours. You

16:03

just saw me holding up the spray

16:05

deodor, well it's aluminum free and I

16:07

deal for those hard to read places,

16:10

but the solace dig the odor, that's

16:12

the one my wife uses, this formulated

16:14

and powered by mandelic acid, to stop

16:17

odor before it starts. All their products

16:19

are making soda free and harebin free,

16:21

and they've got a lot of fresh

16:23

scents like bourbon leather or clover woods

16:26

or Mount Fuji, your pro sport, that's

16:28

the one I held up. It's been

16:30

clinically proven, Mando that is, to control

16:33

odor better than just to shower with

16:35

soap alone. And if you're ready to

16:37

try America's number one whole body deodorant,

16:39

well I got good news for you.

16:42

You can find Mando and Walmart, Target

16:44

and other retailers across the country, but

16:46

for the best deals and to support

16:48

our show, we want you to go

16:51

to shop mando.com. That's where you'll see

16:53

that Mando starter Pack is perfect for

16:55

new customers. It comes with that solid

16:58

stick deodor, the cream tube deodor, and

17:00

two free products of your choice, like

17:02

many body wash and deodorant wives and

17:04

free shipping. There's a special offer for

17:07

our listeners, new customers can get $5

17:09

off the starter pack with our exclusive

17:11

code. That's like 40% off your starter

17:13

pack when you use the code SDW

17:16

at shopmando.com. That's s-h-h-o-p-m-a-n-d-o.com. Please support our

17:18

show and tell them we since them

17:20

we since you. You'll smell pressure, you'll

17:23

stay dryer and boost your confidence from

17:25

head to toe with mando. So John,

17:27

we got a ton of questions. There's

17:29

no way to get to them all.

17:32

And I appreciate you quoting it. But

17:34

man, we got even more questions because

17:36

of that. Let's take through some of

17:39

them. Here's a question from Bryant. Bryant

17:41

wants to know at Extreme Rules 08.

17:43

You have a first blood match with

17:45

John Sena. A month prior, W.E. Change

17:48

to PG. and the mandate was passed,

17:50

there should be no blood on TV.

17:52

How do you and see to put

17:54

a match together for a first blood

17:57

match when there's not supposed to be

17:59

blood? We had

18:01

blood, did we? You did, but like,

18:03

it's like freshly removed from the PG

18:05

thing where we mandate no blood. I

18:07

mean, that feels like, all right, you're

18:10

getting a stern talking to from your

18:12

dad. Don't take the car out anymore

18:14

and you're grounded. After the night, here's

18:16

the keys, have a good time. What

18:18

is this? You know what? I never

18:20

heard there was a blood band. I

18:22

saw this question and you know I

18:24

was doing through your list of questions

18:26

kind of to get a pressure and

18:28

I didn't see this question. I didn't

18:30

know there was a blood band and

18:33

there may have been. Was there Conrad?

18:35

I'm asking you and I was there.

18:37

I'm asking you and I was there.

18:39

I mean yeah the blood was banned

18:41

and even if you remember gosh it

18:43

was probably 10 years ago. It was

18:45

that summer slam in New York where

18:47

Brock Lesnar opened up Randy Orton hard

18:49

way. Yeah. And that was really controversial

18:51

at the time, but I guess the

18:53

idea was there was a no-blading room.

18:56

I mean, allegedly we've even heard from

18:58

Batista through the years, and he got

19:00

fined for getting color. I know that

19:02

Rick Blair did at Russell Mani-8, so

19:04

there's been sort of hokey-pokey moments where,

19:06

hey, if it happens, just naturally, that's

19:08

one thing, but we're not going to

19:10

do a barbaric self-mutilation or whatever it's

19:12

been called. You don't remember hearing it?

19:14

No, and I was in a match

19:17

that I'd blooded it. So I know,

19:19

I, you know, it's a couple things.

19:21

First, that Batista match. You know, I

19:23

think Batista got fine. I think, I

19:25

think they've said a hundred grand or

19:27

something. I mean, it was a massive

19:29

amount. Yeah. It was a lot of

19:31

money. And I think Jericho got fine

19:33

ten grand. And the Kyoto Bay I

19:35

got fined also. But Jericho told me

19:37

the story. I'm sure he's told it

19:40

to a lot of people. Events set

19:42

them in there, you know, in front

19:44

of TV monitors at all these different

19:46

angles. All they had to do is

19:48

ask them, did you, did you, Jews,

19:50

that they would have said yes. And

19:52

they had the, you know, the camera

19:54

angles to show that, you know, what

19:56

happened. And, you know, Vince just kind

19:58

of looked at them. I don't know,

20:00

he was mad. And I guess Jericho,

20:03

I don't even know if Chris was

20:05

in on it or Chris was in

20:07

on it or else. I don't know,

20:09

I don't want to speak for Chris,

20:11

I don't want to say something that's

20:13

wrong. Because I heard Chris tell the

20:15

story and I heard him tell it

20:17

after it happened. And when Chris got

20:19

fined, it was because Vince said he

20:21

must have known or something like that,

20:23

I'm not being told to. and not

20:26

just not being allowed the juice period

20:28

across the company. That's a massive difference.

20:30

What they were in trouble for, my

20:32

understanding was that it wasn't clear and

20:34

that, you know, they kind of went

20:36

to ministry or so, which guys did

20:38

some back in the day, but not

20:40

that much. I would have never done

20:42

that on a pay review, I don't

20:44

think. Maybe Dave thought he had permission

20:46

from an agent or something. I don't

20:49

know. I don't know the whole situation

20:51

with Dave, it was Chris, but I

20:53

think the issue was that it wasn't

20:55

clear. Not that there was a blood

20:57

ban. There may have been a blood

20:59

ban, but I didn't know about it,

21:01

and I was the one juicing. I

21:03

love you for that. We got a

21:05

question here from Dirty Dog Darcy. Who

21:07

wants to know, what does it mean

21:09

20 years later for JBL to hold

21:12

the WWE title? I want to have

21:14

a business discussion with you and then

21:16

just a personal conversation. Business-wise I've seen

21:18

or I've heard from guys who when

21:20

they're fresh off of WWE programming. they're

21:22

asking prices more and they because they're

21:24

fresh off of TV they feel like

21:26

they're going to be a bigger draw

21:28

the individual promoters across the country or

21:30

even the globe at this point and

21:32

we've also heard guys like the Rock

21:35

and Roll Express say once they could

21:37

say they were WWE Hall of Fameers

21:39

it meant more to them financially in

21:41

the future has that been your experience

21:43

using the WWE World Championship piece of

21:45

your resume? Or was it really just

21:47

a personal thing that hey man? I

21:49

know that I know what wrestling is

21:51

and it's entertainment and it was my

21:53

job but it does make it feel

21:55

like I have a more complete career

21:58

because I was the world champion. Can

22:00

you speak to both sides, both business

22:02

and personal? Yeah, I'll speak to personal

22:04

side first. You know, my youngest memories

22:06

was telling my grandfather I wanted to

22:08

be a world champion wrestler. You know,

22:10

he used to watch the honor together

22:12

before then it was Bonn Eric. It

22:14

was only Fritz. And I always had

22:16

that goal in mind that I wanted

22:18

to be a world champion. I told

22:21

my grandfather I want to be a.

22:23

fortunate opportunity to do both. And I

22:25

think my career would have been lacking

22:27

a little bit. You know, I said

22:29

many times that if I had just

22:31

been an APA member because of my

22:33

love of Ron Simmons and our friendship,

22:35

I'd have been fine with that. But

22:37

because Ron was a little bit older

22:39

and he retired earlier than me, I

22:41

had the chance to be a singles

22:44

and get that run. And it really

22:46

completed my career. I always thought I

22:48

could do it. And if I had

22:50

gone through my entire career without having

22:52

done it. Because, you know, I held

22:54

titles in a lot of different territories,

22:56

never in WDB, not the main one.

22:58

You know, I never had, you know,

23:00

I've been in some main events, but

23:02

it's always a guest spot main event.

23:05

It wasn't because of the merit that

23:07

I deserved to be there. Anybody thought

23:09

I was really going to win a

23:11

championship or anything. When I got to

23:13

that main event, it was something that

23:15

I always had wanted to do that

23:17

I thought I could do. It really,

23:19

you know, my career I look back

23:21

on now and I'm really, I think

23:23

it helped finish it. I don't think

23:25

there's any doubt about it. I think

23:28

it would have had a whole in

23:30

my career if I didn't have that.

23:32

That's why I hate, you know, some

23:34

of these guys who've just as good

23:36

or better than me and they never

23:38

became a world champion and they and

23:40

they should have become world champions and

23:42

for whatever reason, the lot didn't go

23:44

to them. And so I was very

23:46

lucky in that respect from a business

23:48

point of view. I think it matters,

23:51

yeah. I don't know how much, you

23:53

know, I go to autograph sessions and

23:55

me and Ron are both sitting there,

23:57

you know, I'm sitting there by the

23:59

first recognize the black world heavyweight champion

24:01

for a major. motion and another world

24:03

champion with me. I think that helps,

24:05

but I don't know how much and

24:07

I don't know how to quantify that.

24:09

I do think it's interesting when you

24:11

talk about personally what it meant and

24:14

how many guys do have that hole

24:16

in their career because you've been pretty

24:18

honest in saying a lot of fans

24:20

draw parallel between the million dollar man

24:22

persona that Ted DiBi did fabulously a

24:24

generation before you and then you come

24:26

behind it maybe it's a little different

24:28

presentation but fans certainly make that comparison.

24:30

He's a guy when we talk about

24:32

great wrestlers who never became world champion

24:34

he'd be near the top of the

24:37

list right 100% you know it's one

24:39

of those things that Ted didn't need

24:41

the title you know he had his

24:43

billion dollar title and Ted didn't it

24:45

was such a great worker but you

24:47

know if I'm Ted I think I

24:49

would kind of feel like why did

24:51

I get just one run you know

24:53

and because I think Ted should have

24:55

I think Ted should have been the

24:57

the the WDB champion I think he

25:00

should have. I think Dustin Rhodes, especially

25:02

as Gold Dust, I thought Gold Dust

25:04

should have been champion. I thought he'd

25:06

have been a great chip. He was

25:08

a great worker who did everything and

25:10

had incredible heat. There's tons and tons

25:12

of guys. Sheldon Wiseman should have been

25:14

a world champion. There's so many guys

25:16

out there that now back in the

25:18

day, you look at guys, you look

25:20

at Gold Dusts. So he doesn't need

25:23

the title. You're right, he didn't. But

25:25

at some point, don't you give it

25:27

to him? Not just as a favor.

25:29

But because he did, it's meritocracy, because

25:31

he deserves it. Same with Ted and

25:33

same with a hot rod. A lot

25:35

of guys were like that. You know,

25:37

Gore's never had a bunch of titles

25:39

around because he had so much heat.

25:41

He didn't need it. That was like

25:43

the old mindset of guys that were

25:46

so over that you thought they didn't

25:48

need it, but then they get no

25:50

in their career and you kind of

25:52

like, why were those guys world champions?

25:54

And a lot of times, it's because

25:56

Ted De Biasse, because they were really

25:58

that were really that good. Here's one

26:00

from JP. He says if the character

26:02

change of JBL had not happened, what

26:04

other direction could you see your character

26:06

going? in 2004 I was doing so

26:09

much for the military. I think I

26:11

see my correct character being retired. They

26:13

had tried to do a couple things.

26:15

Every time it happened I was snaked.

26:17

I was snaked. I was supposed to

26:19

work with a couple different guys that

26:21

when they left the company or somebody

26:23

got injured or whatever happened. Then I

26:25

got injured and I got injured again.

26:27

I mean just had bad luck after

26:29

bad luck after bad luck. In 2004

26:32

I was doing so much for the

26:34

military. where I was going overseas and

26:36

I was kind of the liaison between

26:38

WWB and the armed forces that I

26:40

think that was kind of going to

26:42

be my role for the rest of

26:44

my career. I just got lucky and

26:46

they needed somebody to face Eddie Guerrero

26:48

and they needed somebody right away and

26:50

Vince called me and said hey we've

26:52

got this idea you've talked to me

26:55

about this character before here's my idea

26:57

you want to do this and of

26:59

course I wanted to try it. So

27:01

I don't know what Bradshaw would have

27:03

done by himself I don't think much.

27:05

Besides this J.R. Ewing inspired character that

27:07

you know, maybe drew inspiration for a

27:09

million dollar man. Did you ever have

27:11

another character idea? Yeah, I pitched more

27:13

kind of the Bradshaw type character to

27:16

Vince, just kind of a more is

27:18

it was a cowboy. But it just

27:20

every time I tried to do something

27:22

with it, you know, I went through

27:24

different haircuts. You know, a lot of

27:26

that was from Vince, some of those

27:28

from me to try to get a

27:30

different look and with short hair, I

27:32

went to clean shaving, I had a

27:34

lot of different things I tried, but

27:36

every time I did something I got

27:39

hurt, or my opponent got hurt, you

27:41

know, and I just had bad luck

27:43

with it. Yeah, I pitched a couple

27:45

things, but the main one was this

27:47

JBL type character that I pitched a

27:49

couple years before, and then Vince and

27:51

kind of turned it around his own

27:53

mind, it became his own character, and

27:55

became his own character, and then he

27:57

pitched it back to back to me.

27:59

Mike wants to know in your opinion

28:02

how vital was Spike Dudley to the

28:04

overall presentation of the Dudley boys I

28:06

think Spike easily gets overlooked and doesn't

28:08

get his just to the group. You

28:10

have any good spike? sports. Spike was,

28:12

you know, had rubber bones. It was,

28:14

it was, I've never seen guys take

28:16

bumps like that. That one that Undertaker

28:18

gave him that chokes them over the

28:20

top, wrote the floor, I had to

28:22

kill the normal person. And it's not

28:25

just going to spike his lighter, he's

28:27

just, for some reason he doesn't get

28:29

hurt. You know, he's on me and

28:31

Jerry's, uh, show as far as Brisco

28:33

and Bradshaw. Love Spike. He's a financial

28:35

consultant and doing great, doesn't really care

28:37

about wrestling, just doesn't really watch, you

28:39

know, it's kind of strange because he

28:41

loved it so much, but Spike was

28:43

just a guy who came along that

28:45

for some reason didn't get hurt and

28:48

the Dudley's, I think, were much better

28:50

with him. Jordan Oliver, a friend of

28:52

the show and a heck of an

28:54

independent wrestler, says, what makes a good

28:56

wrestling a good wrestling character? Successful

28:59

wrestling character, whether it's a good

29:01

guy or a bad guy, do

29:03

they have any commonality that you

29:05

think every wrestling character needs to

29:07

have? Connection, yeah, 100% it's all

29:09

about connection. I mean, look at

29:11

the undertaker character. You know, Mark

29:13

Callaway is a great big tough

29:15

guy. Mean Mark was a good

29:17

worker, but that character's silly. Here's

29:20

a guy who's dead, who's not

29:22

dead, he's gonna do all kinds

29:24

of supernatural stuff. Pitched that to

29:26

a creative team. That never works.

29:28

And we're going to bury him,

29:30

then he's going to be actually

29:32

be alive. You think people will

29:34

believe that? People did. Or they

29:36

believe that they cared. You know,

29:38

the difference between people that believe

29:41

that care and they care. That's

29:43

one of the greatest characters in

29:45

the history of the business, all

29:47

because of Mark Callaway. Any character

29:49

that can connect can draw. can

29:51

draw rating, can draw money. and

29:53

draw people in seats. Maybe you've

29:55

got to be able to connect.

29:57

The people make the mistake that

29:59

I got to get the right

30:02

character. That character doesn't matter. You

30:04

got a connect. We got a

30:06

question here from Kerry. That's a

30:08

great one. Would you have been

30:10

a good fit in W.W. prior

30:12

to the NWO era. Now that's

30:14

interesting because he writes here JBL.

30:16

We'll table that character for just

30:18

a minute. But Justin Hawk, branch,

30:20

y'all, man, I can totally see

30:23

that guy in WCPU. I think,

30:25

yeah, it was a southern character.

30:27

I think Dusty would have loved

30:29

it. I think the southern bookers

30:31

would have liked it. I think

30:33

they would have, you know, I

30:35

didn't know anybody. And so I'd

30:37

be going down there discretion with,

30:39

you know, without any benefactor. So

30:41

you never know, you know, you

30:44

don't know if you lost the

30:46

shovel or not. But I see

30:48

the roster, from Stone Gold and

30:50

Hillman and Dustin and Barry and

30:52

so many of those guys, I

30:54

would love to have been part

30:56

of that crew. You know, you

30:58

had Butch and Ron, you had

31:00

Steiners, you had Booker and Stevie,

31:02

you had so many guys that

31:05

I would have loved to have

31:07

been able to work with and

31:09

I worked with later in different

31:11

iterations. But yeah, I think, you

31:13

know, who knows what I've done

31:15

well, I think I've been very

31:17

happy there. Great

31:19

question here from Michael Pagnadi. He says, okay,

31:22

so Swaggle says this spot wasn't planned. Is

31:24

this true? And if so, explain what went

31:26

through your brain when you decided to do

31:28

this. Of course, we're talking about lunch and

31:30

trash can at Swaggle. This is an all-time

31:32

great moment. It makes me laugh every time

31:34

I see it. I know I'm a bad

31:37

person. But it says it wasn't a planned

31:39

spot. Did that just hit you in the

31:41

ring? Did someone get in your year ahead

31:43

of time? Talk me through this. It hit

31:45

me 100% in the ring. I'm at WrestleMania

31:47

and I'm seeing them out there just kind

31:49

of working the crowd stuff and feeling. these

31:51

beat the shit, I really beat me up.

31:54

Really, you know, it was an honor to

31:56

work with Pitt. You know, I love Dave.

31:58

I've told you how much I respect him.

32:00

One of the greatest workers of all the

32:02

time. Get Russell Mani with Finley, especially after,

32:04

well, seeing him in Europe for a couple

32:06

years. It was a huge honor. And then

32:09

I see a horn sparkle outside who was

32:11

working the crowd stuff, but I'm going to

32:13

kill that little faster. And so that's what

32:15

I'm thinking. I'm thinking. I'm going to get

32:17

it. I'm going to get it. I'm going

32:19

to get it. I'm going to get it.

32:21

I'm going to get him with a. I'm

32:23

going to get him with a. I'm going

32:26

to get him with a. I'm going to

32:28

get him with a. I'm going to get

32:30

him with a. I'm going to get him

32:32

with a. I'm going to get him with

32:34

a. I'm going to get him with a.

32:36

I'm going to get You know I kind

32:38

of just kind of moved around grab the

32:41

trash can also turn like Nolan Ryan just

32:43

hurled it at it trying to get a

32:45

little faster. Yeah it became one of these

32:47

iconic moments that you know in russlemana history

32:49

and no it wasn't planned none of it

32:51

was planned. The match wasn't planned. I mean

32:53

Finley and I hit each other with stuff

32:55

you know on the head like crazy right

32:58

and left. None of that was planned either.

33:00

You know we just went out there and

33:02

decided to turn a bunch of stuff up

33:04

and Hornswuckle was part of the match. So

33:06

it's something that's just called on the fly.

33:08

You know, it wasn't, and there's no malice

33:10

to it, by the way, there's no malice

33:12

to it. Like, I'm gonna get that guy

33:15

right. Well, there was none of that. Absolutely

33:17

zero of that. It was just, I thought

33:19

this was good for the show. It made

33:21

sense that I'm the bad guy, and I'm

33:23

gonna turn around and get, you know, beat

33:25

up something with Dave after going after going

33:27

after his son. The whole storyline. The whole

33:30

storyline. The whole storyline. The whole storyline. I

33:32

thought it worked. I thought it worked. I

33:34

recently hit Hornswago again with the trash can

33:36

over Christmas. I'm going to wrestling con this

33:38

summer up in Wisconsin and I plan on

33:40

hitting him with the trash can again. And

33:42

by the time this airs, I could have

33:44

hit another leprechon with the trash can. So

33:47

one of my New Year's resolutions is to

33:49

hit all the leprechons in the world with

33:51

trash cans. That's in clothesline people, but that's

33:53

separate. But I'm going to hit all of

33:55

them with trash cans this year. That's your

33:57

Pokemon. You're trying to collect them all. 100%.

33:59

It's 100%. It's very, it's, it means a

34:02

lot to me. You know, every time I

34:04

hit a leprecom of the trash can, I

34:06

just like check it off. It's like getting

34:08

a coin, you know, that you need for

34:10

your collection. It means a lot to me.

34:12

And I think it's something valuable to the

34:14

world. I think the world needs leprechons hit

34:16

with trash cans. I appreciate that you're having

34:19

this very difficult conversation and really opening eyes

34:21

and raising awareness because I for one have

34:23

just been hauling my trash can to the

34:25

road every Thursday night. I've never once considered

34:27

taking it up and throwing it at a

34:29

little bit. And the thing about it is

34:31

it's legal. Well, a lot of people don't

34:34

know that. You know, like in West Texas,

34:36

you know, coyees come and they'll they'll harm

34:38

your animals. So you can shoot them any

34:40

time you won't. It's legal. It's called the

34:42

farm at law. Very similar to the farm

34:44

at law. There's a leprecon law that you

34:46

can hit a leprecon with any trash can

34:48

anytime you won, any time a day, whether

34:51

they're looking or not. With your political influence,

34:53

I think you could message. Governor of Alabama,

34:55

Kay Ivy, and we mine actually could have

34:57

like, hit a leprecon day here in Alabama.

34:59

Can you work on that for us? I

35:01

will be happy to work on that, yes.

35:03

I would love that, yes, yes, I'd love

35:06

that. And we both know the mayor of

35:08

Knoxville that we can call in as well.

35:10

I forgot about that. That'd be a shoe

35:12

in there. I think the mayor of Knoxville

35:14

would approve the hit a leprecon day. Now

35:28

you're just a meme that everyone shares on

35:30

Game Day. Checking first is smart, so check

35:33

all state first for quote that could save

35:35

you hundreds. You're in good hands with all

35:37

state. Savings vary subject to terms, conditions, and

35:39

availability. All state fire and casualty insurance company

35:41

in Affilius, Northbrook, Illinois. A

35:44

quarter time on Twitter says who

35:46

on any current roster is currently

35:48

portrayed as a baby face. Do

35:50

you think that hit it out

35:52

of a park as a heel

35:54

if given the chance and don't

35:56

say code. It's got to be

35:58

coding. That's the only one though.

36:00

give me another one. It's got

36:02

to be good. You know, you

36:04

look at it, you go, man,

36:06

when that guy turns to you,

36:08

you know, you got to be

36:10

over as a baby face to

36:13

turn heel. Otherwise, nobody cares. There's

36:15

something times how we're gonna turn

36:17

him. They're not a good baby

36:19

face. You know, they don't care.

36:21

So, could it work? Jayuso, or

36:23

do the fans love to dance

36:25

so much? It'll never work. I

36:27

think Jayos, he needs a longer.

36:29

and then let him turn heel

36:31

and go back to the bloodline

36:33

or whatever he wants to do.

36:35

I think J.O. So that, a

36:37

kid, I say he's a girl

36:39

man, he can do anything and

36:41

I think he'd be great. But

36:43

I think he needs to further

36:45

run as a baby face. I

36:47

mean, we gotta work on Cody.

36:49

I know he doesn't want to

36:51

hear it. He gets mad every

36:53

time I bring it up, but

36:55

there's like a little something in

36:57

his eye or something in his

36:59

smile where you're like, man, when

37:01

he's ready. to be just the

37:04

most effective dynamic heel ever. But

37:06

a man, he's doing so much

37:08

good as sort of seeing a

37:10

2.0 for lack of a better

37:12

word. And he's selling all the

37:14

merch. I mean, think about this

37:16

is an economic argument. This is

37:18

not just a creative argument. You

37:20

know, when Sino was selling half

37:22

the merch of the company, they're

37:24

like, okay, wait a minute. It

37:27

is interesting to think, Jason Taylor

37:29

is with a slide, and he

37:31

correctly points out turning heel changed

37:33

Roman's career. You know, when you

37:35

take a look at the current

37:37

baby faces, I mean, I guess

37:39

he's a baby face. I don't

37:41

think they're going to turn Cody

37:43

yet. If I'm going to do

37:46

that, I think I'd wait and

37:48

do it later. But it could

37:50

work for CIMPunk right now. And

37:52

what a great heel he is.

37:54

CIMPone, it's a great heel. I

37:56

like it more as a heel

37:58

because I like heels, you know,

38:00

and I like seeing fun personally

38:02

as well. well as professionally. I

38:04

think see a funk will be

38:06

a great deal. I mean, I

38:08

think he'd be fantastic. I think

38:10

there's so much about him. He

38:12

doesn't care. When I say he

38:14

doesn't care, he understands the business.

38:16

He doesn't mind cutting the promos

38:18

that need to be cut because

38:20

he doesn't care about the social

38:22

media fallout. I think seeing funk

38:24

will be great. The other two

38:26

that come to mind that might

38:28

be fun to see its heels.

38:31

And, uh, and Sami's ain't, because

38:33

it's just been so long since

38:35

he's been anything other than this

38:37

beloved figure. I can see either

38:39

one of those really working, switching.

38:41

You know, Sami, when he first

38:43

came in, I talked to him

38:45

a lot, he was kind of

38:47

like a steamboat, he had never

38:49

been a heel anywhere. And he

38:51

was, and he was a good

38:53

heel, he was really good. You

38:55

know, Sami would just tell him,

38:57

he don't expect. you know, that

38:59

people like, you know, and Bianca's

39:01

I think fits all of that.

39:03

I think it's somebody that nobody

39:05

would really expect. And it's kind

39:07

of like Crockett used to always

39:09

tell me when we had our

39:11

little talks and he would say,

39:13

you know, you want to have

39:15

the heel, like, okay, I can

39:18

get behind this person. Then all

39:20

of a sudden they do something

39:22

right at the end and you

39:24

go, why would they do that?

39:26

I was wanting to like that.

39:28

That's the kind of heel I

39:30

think Bianca, I think Bianca, Bianca,

39:32

I think he could, yeah, because

39:34

he's over. And I think he

39:36

could do really well as a

39:38

heel. I think it'd be harder

39:40

for him because he'd be more

39:42

of an attraction heel. And that's

39:44

not a bad thing, by the

39:46

way. I don't mean that in

39:48

any, the disparaging way. Roman Reins

39:50

was an attraction heel. Any headline,

39:52

more russlemanis than anybody in history.

39:54

So I think there's just two

39:56

different topic heels. I think there's

39:58

a ton of freaking money. then

40:00

I think there's your pure heels.

40:03

you know, like the sheep, like

40:05

the gorgeous chores, like Roddy Piper,

40:07

you said Fismel, original original Turkish

40:09

monster, so there's a difference. I

40:11

think L.A. not be more of

40:13

an attraction deal, which is just

40:15

a different version in my opinion.

40:17

Let's talk a little bit about

40:19

Jack Haffney's question. He says, John,

40:21

the J.B.L. and Cole Show became

40:23

a cult favorite with fans. Do

40:25

you have any idea it would

40:27

take off like you did? And

40:29

how much of it was just

40:31

you and Paul goofing off versus

40:33

something actually scripted? Was there ever

40:35

anything you guys filmed that W.W.E.

40:37

wouldn't let you air? They didn't

40:39

care what we hear. They didn't

40:41

even watch it. You know, at

40:43

all. They didn't care at all.

40:45

They didn't care at all. You

40:48

know, what we wanted to do,

40:50

me and Michael had an idea

40:52

for this show was to give

40:54

guys that didn't really have a

40:56

creative outlet of creative. because he

40:58

saw that this was a chance

41:00

for him to have a creative

41:02

outlet that he didn't have somewhere

41:04

else. Daniel Bryan was on there

41:06

all the time, you know, and

41:08

he was one of the top

41:10

guys. So Daniel kind of had

41:12

to sneak on and do the

41:14

show because this was, he understand

41:16

there was no benefactor for the

41:18

show. So there wasn't a rider

41:20

that was behind it. So nobody

41:22

cared about the show. At one

41:24

point they told Coles to the,

41:26

I mean, you need to be

41:28

a little less goofy. didn't have

41:30

anybody that was writing this show

41:32

except for Brian Pellegado who was

41:35

with WDB who did an incredibly

41:37

creative job there and a wonderful

41:39

job. Nobody really cared. So nobody

41:41

watched it. I mean, nobody would

41:43

WDB watched it. Nobody cared. Now

41:45

they're doing stuff like this. But

41:47

back then we were we were

41:49

ahead of everything else. I thought

41:51

the show was really good. I

41:53

thought it gave guys an outlet,

41:55

but Debbie could, they could not

41:57

care less about that show. It

42:01

was so good. I mean, it was

42:03

ahead of its time. Timings, everything. If

42:05

it came around today, can you imagine

42:08

how popular that show would be? It

42:10

was ahead of its time. You know,

42:12

now you look at the show numbers,

42:14

their show numbers are huge. But we

42:16

had guys, you know, now you look

42:19

at the show numbers, numbers are huge.

42:21

But we had guys, you know, and

42:23

guys want to be on your show

42:25

because it was so much fun. But

42:27

we didn't have anybody that was pitching

42:29

this to the higher up specifically Vince

42:32

or Kevin. And so there was nobody

42:34

really that nobody cared. I mean, no

42:36

one cared. No one watched it. No

42:38

one cared. They didn't even know what

42:40

we did. Here's one. This is from

42:43

Matt Carmen. He wants to know. Do

42:45

you have any good to Jerry stories?

42:47

No. I saw this question. I started

42:49

thinking about it. I thought I don't.

42:51

I don't have any. I'd like to

42:54

Jerry, and I thought he was a

42:56

really good worker. I thought he was

42:58

fun with the mood of mess and

43:00

all that stuff. But no, I was

43:02

never around him as far as that

43:04

parties are riding in cars or anything.

43:07

So no, he could be the most

43:09

entertaining guy in the world. He could

43:11

be those boring guy in the world.

43:13

I have absolutely no idea. I've heard

43:15

for years that Jerry would quote unquote

43:18

payfave that he spoke English. And so

43:20

guys would assume he didn't speak English

43:22

and he would keep it up. and

43:24

then every now and again in front

43:26

of the right person he would dust

43:29

off nearly perfect English. Is that just

43:31

a thing with half of international talent

43:33

because it does feel like I've heard

43:35

that about so many guys can it

43:37

be true? Are the workers the ultimate

43:39

workers? What are we doing here? I

43:42

heard the same thing about Tucker or

43:44

the same thing about so many different

43:46

loot doors. I have no idea if

43:48

any of it's true. You know, we

43:50

always accused talk of knowing English. They

43:53

put pocket with the breakfoot one time.

43:55

They wanted to teach him English. All

43:57

they did was speak Spanish in the.

43:59

car. So I'm talking to me and

44:01

learn Spanish, but you didn't learn English

44:04

with it. I have no idea why

44:06

they did that. I've heard that for

44:08

years, my guys, Japanese guys, Mexican guys,

44:10

that, oh, they speak for you, which

44:12

no idea if that's true or not.

44:15

Eric wants to know whose idea was

44:17

the cabinet for your JBL character, and

44:19

did you have any say in the

44:21

members? Yeah, I did have some say

44:23

in it, and Vince ran them by

44:25

me. I had no issue with any

44:28

of them, of course. I thought they're

44:30

all really talented guys. That was Vincent's

44:32

idea, having something around me. The Bashoms

44:34

were one of the first, and then

44:36

Orlando, who was incredibly talented. Amy Weber

44:39

was just kind of given to me.

44:41

That was from Vince, as the talent

44:43

that came in, and Vince said, hey,

44:45

we've got this really talented young lady,

44:47

very pretty, kind of with you. That's

44:50

all I really knew. I mean, if

44:52

I wanted to say. No, I'm not

44:54

going to work when I had somebody

44:56

else in mind. I guess I could

44:58

have, but that was the only one

45:00

that wouldn't really run by me. She

45:03

was fantastic. She was really good. Amy

45:05

Weber was really talented. I wish she

45:07

would have stayed because she was really

45:09

good at what she did. F. H.

45:11

89 says realistically, was there ever a

45:14

chance where JBO could see himself jump

45:16

on over to W. C. W. Where

45:18

does he think you would have fit

45:20

in on the roster had that happened?

45:22

you didn't have an end there, but

45:25

you think maybe thus he would have

45:27

gotten behind the character. And I could

45:29

see that Justin Hawk Bradshaw, character working

45:31

matches with Sting or Cactus Jack or

45:33

I think it just leans itself or

45:35

lends itself to a WCP presentation. But

45:38

you had all these different versions, you

45:40

know, the new black jacks and of

45:42

course you did the APA and then

45:44

there was the accolites before that. And

45:46

then J. R. Ewing style character. Would

45:49

any of those work in WCD do

45:51

you think one would have worked better

45:53

than others? Did you ever even have

45:55

a preliminary conversation or an overture at

45:57

any point with anyone at WCD? I

46:00

don't know if the JBL would have

46:02

worked or not. You know, Vince, I

46:04

kind of saw that as, I think

46:06

Vince kind of used JBL as it,

46:08

JBL is what Vince would have been

46:10

if he could have wrestled. Yeah. Because

46:13

I know that Vince would, I know

46:15

that Vince would, I can see it

46:17

riding, you know, this is what Vince

46:19

wanted to do. And so I understood

46:21

that mindset. Not one. I met. Eric

46:24

Bischoff after the Japanese tour that I

46:26

went on with Barry Wyndham working for

46:28

Baba, met him in the airport and

46:30

read it coming back, you know, had

46:32

a concussion and fairly remember it, but

46:35

I, he brought up, you know, what

46:37

Dustin was doing as far as gold

46:39

dust and what WWU is doing as

46:41

far as the attitude error that were

46:43

there going, what he thought was a

46:45

little bit crazy, which was crazy, but

46:48

he didn't, he didn't off me a

46:50

job, didn't never mention it nothing, and

46:52

I never mentioned it, and I never

46:54

had any overtures, and I had any

46:56

overtures from, that I know of. I

46:59

talked to my grand one time, but

47:01

I don't think it was that serious

47:03

about going. But no, I never had

47:05

anything that was materialistic. No one wanted

47:07

me. I love you for that. I

47:10

can't help but think though in an

47:12

alternate universe, and I know the timeline

47:14

does line up. But imagine if you

47:16

would have been able to take the

47:18

JBL character and drop it off in

47:21

ACW. Oh my God. Oh, I would

47:23

have done that in a heartbeat. And

47:25

a heartbeat, I worked for free. Absolutely

47:27

for free. What King did in 96,

47:29

97, whenever one year or a year

47:31

it was, was absolutely freaking amazing. When

47:34

I got to do it in 2004

47:36

and 2005, I never had an experience

47:38

like that. I would love to have

47:40

been JBL in ECW when ECW was

47:42

at its absolute hottest. That would have

47:45

been the most fun you could ever

47:47

have ever had in the world. I

47:49

don't know how well it would have

47:51

paid. That would have been a lot

47:53

of... Correct, correct. I mean, I don't

47:56

think what I want. Check my mind.

47:58

Josh sent us an image that we

48:00

get here on the show at least

48:02

once a day every day. I can't

48:04

imagine how many times you've seen it.

48:06

Everybody wants to know whose idea was

48:09

the hat on the halo. That was

48:11

mine 100% it was my 100% it

48:13

was my idea before I even went

48:15

through the limousine. I had the idea

48:17

to do all that stuff. You had

48:20

the halo. Now that day I put

48:22

the hat on top of the halo.

48:24

I'm here. I was so proud of

48:26

it. I was so proud of it.

48:28

God laughing. You know, that's great. I

48:31

love it. So yeah, that was 100%

48:33

my idea. Brandon over on Twitter wants

48:35

to know whose idea was it to

48:37

put the longhorns on the limo. You

48:39

mentioned the limo and people love the

48:41

longhorns. Who's that deal with that? Vince,

48:44

Vince always said that my entrance was

48:46

one of, if not the greatest, that

48:48

he'd ever created. He loved the interests.

48:50

So whether that's true or not, I

48:52

don't know that's Benson's opinion, but Vince

48:55

came up with all that. Vince came

48:57

up with the Longhorns. Vince, 100% that

48:59

was all. It was all fence. Cody

49:01

Stark wants to know, do you have

49:03

a favorite clothesline from hell? Yeah, you

49:06

know, Billy Gunn would always take it

49:08

like a... turned him inside out. You

49:10

know, Billy's such a freak now. I

49:12

just saw him the other day. That

49:14

guy ages backwards by the way. He

49:16

got to my god, he looks great.

49:19

I'm so jealous of him. Billy. I

49:21

was jealous of him back then too

49:23

because he was better athlete than me

49:25

and he's back then. Billy always took

49:27

it like he just turned him inside

49:30

out. You know, and Billy, Billy's an

49:32

old bull rider. Billy is a double

49:34

tough guy, by the way. But Billy

49:36

used to bitch about getting hit. You

49:38

know, a lot of the old guys,

49:41

and man Billy are both old guys

49:43

now. He would love to bitch. It

49:45

was kind of an art about how

49:47

much they bitch about getting hit. They

49:49

really didn't care. They just enjoyed bitches.

49:52

Billy enjoyed bitches. Billy did care. He's

49:54

double tough. You couldn't hurt him if

49:56

you tried. But Billy used to love

49:58

bitching about everything. Well, I'm

50:00

sure a few people have bitched about

50:02

the clothesline from hell, but nobody bitches.

50:05

Nobody bitches about blue chew. Have better

50:07

sex with blue chew. Blue shoes the

50:09

original brand offering chewable tablets. These erection

50:11

enhancing tablets help men achieve stronger, harder,

50:14

and longer lasting erections for sexual activities.

50:16

John calls his gimmick the erection from

50:18

hell. Bluechoo is putting its money where

50:20

its mouth is and it's offering you

50:22

a month free in the process of

50:25

simple boys. You just sign up at

50:27

bluechoo.com. You consult with one of their

50:29

licensed medical providers and once you're approved

50:31

you'll receive your prescription within days. Bluechoo

50:33

tablets are made in the USA. They're

50:36

prepared and shipped directly to your door

50:38

and you can take them any time

50:40

day or night. So plan ahead or

50:42

be ready whenever an opportunity arises. And

50:45

the best part is it's all done

50:47

online. That means no visits to the

50:49

doctor's office, no awkward conversation, and no

50:51

waiting in line with the pharmacy. So

50:53

make your life easier by getting harder

50:56

and discover your options at bluechoo.com. We've

50:58

got a special deal for our listeners.

51:00

Try your first month of Bluechoo free.

51:02

Visit bluechoo.com for more details and important

51:04

safety information. And we thank Bluechoo for

51:07

sponsoring today's podcast. You know, we talked

51:09

about those favorite clothes lines from hell.

51:11

Did you ever have one where you

51:13

got hurt yourself? Like, because we've heard

51:15

from Nigel McGinnis before that he tore

51:18

not one of his biceps, of his

51:20

biceps. Did you ever hurt yourself for

51:22

the call? Yeah, Godfather told me we

51:24

were wrestling at WrestleMania, whatever it was,

51:27

kind of Houston. Yeah, in the Astrodome.

51:29

And Godfather was on the other side

51:31

of my hand with a clothes out

51:33

for a fish. And he literally almost

51:35

threatened me. I say threat, we're good

51:38

friends. You know, he goes. You better

51:40

hit me the hardest you've ever hit

51:42

anybody in your life. And he kept

51:44

telling me that over and over. You

51:46

know, he is a double tough dude.

51:49

You know, I mean, he's just, I

51:51

love Godfather. I got to spend the...

51:53

The weekend with him and Ron in

51:55

England recently, I just got up of

51:58

those guys. I hit him so freaking

52:00

hard, I thought I blew out my

52:02

shoulder. I think my whole farm was

52:04

black, it was like, oh my God,

52:06

it was a collision, it was unbelievable,

52:09

almost like myself out, I hit him

52:11

so hard. Mayhem wants to know, when

52:13

you were participating in wrestler sport, would

52:15

you have rather been representing defense or

52:17

prosecution? Also did you have a certain

52:20

tactic? that you would always try or

52:22

ever do any lawyers gets so what

52:24

was your role in wrestler's court just

52:26

take us through you know your happy

52:28

place of wrestler's court oh I was

52:31

the prosecutor always the prosecutor 100% I

52:33

was never no I would never defend

52:35

anybody nobody ever won a case except

52:37

the prosecutor of course it was it

52:40

was rigged that's why I always won

52:42

I'm like Jerry Spence except mine was

52:44

fixed so Russ I mean okay let

52:46

me explain to you how wrestler's court

52:48

would happen Two guys, now we're on

52:51

the road all the time. So somebody

52:53

come to me, go, hey man, I'm

52:55

going to take so and so to

52:57

the Restress Court. Yeah, 99% of the

52:59

time it was not, it was not

53:02

serious. It was like, what happened? They

53:04

didn't pay their tab. I got stuck

53:06

with it or whatever happened. Or it

53:08

would be something funny, most of the

53:11

time is something funny that they had

53:13

done, and it was something wrong, but

53:15

you know, it was, it was, it

53:17

was all tongue and cheek. And he'd

53:19

sit there and think about it, and

53:22

he'd debate, and I'd throw in my

53:24

opinion, should we settle this out of

53:26

court? And if we set it on

53:28

the court, what's the penalty going to

53:30

be? And if both sides agree that

53:33

they don't go to court, or is

53:35

it going to be so entertaining that

53:37

we need to go to court with

53:39

it? So we would debate this. There's

53:42

two really funny guys. It always went

53:44

to court because these guys were going

53:46

to be hilarious in court. we wanted.

53:48

We would tell me in court, and

53:50

listen, we're going to make you tell

53:53

the whole truth, nothing about the truth,

53:55

unless you want to lie, and if

53:57

you want to lie, and if you

53:59

want to lie, and it's creative, we

54:01

wholeheartedly approve. So there were no rules

54:04

and arrests or stories except be entertaining.

54:06

So then we'd discover, let me figure

54:08

out if we want to go to

54:10

court with it, and if we did,

54:12

then I was the prosecutor, then I

54:15

was the prosecutor. Now the fact that

54:17

they're guilty, that's already known before we

54:19

go to court. It's just a matter

54:21

of how guilty are they. I love

54:24

that. Thank you for the explanation. Context

54:26

is king. I'd like to hear that.

54:28

JD Power, no associates. What a great

54:30

name that is. Bravo concert. He wants

54:32

to know, what are your biggest regrets

54:35

in your career? Do you have any

54:37

regrets? Does one come to mind immediately,

54:39

Joan? You know, I've got so many

54:41

things I either did stupid or did

54:43

wrong or got hurt and you know

54:46

opportunities wasted But it's one of those

54:48

things and you know, I'm not one

54:50

of those guys I have no regrets

54:52

But you can't have regrets because I'm

54:55

fine where I am right now And

54:57

I'm not I'm not sitting here. You

54:59

know I'm blessed God bless me. I'm

55:01

I hate those guys that do that

55:03

like oh my life. So blessed like

55:06

okay screw you're you're that happy you

55:08

got to tell everybody about it I'm

55:10

fine right now and wherever that is

55:12

I'm fine with it and if you

55:14

change something on the chest piece of

55:17

your life the chestboard of your life

55:19

before you get this moment it changes

55:21

everything and who knows where I'd be

55:23

if you know something was changed even

55:25

if something stupid that I did that

55:28

I probably should have done so I

55:30

don't really have regrets enough to say

55:32

I wish I would have done something

55:34

ever. Let's not try to have a

55:37

serious conversation let's make it light-hearted. Do

55:39

you regret not getting to work a

55:41

match with this guy or that guy

55:43

or a program with this guy or

55:45

that guy? Like where the timelines would

55:48

have permitted it, it could have technically

55:50

happened. It just didn't. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

55:52

there was a time they're gonna put

55:54

me in a match with Steve and

55:56

I left the building early. Oh, God.

55:59

I really got hurt or something and

56:01

oh my God, they put me out

56:03

there two weeks straight with the same

56:05

guy and just in a hardcore match

56:08

and have you get there. They were

56:10

so bad. The guys used to leave

56:12

early. We had different shows and they

56:14

used to play for the main event.

56:16

They're gonna put me in there and

56:19

stupid. I got punished for about a

56:21

month for it, you know, but longer

56:23

than that because I didn't get the

56:25

opportunity. Yeah, there were so many people

56:27

I'd love to work with. You know,

56:30

I mean, you can't take them out

56:32

of history, but magnum T.A. to me

56:34

was a guy that I'd love to

56:36

work with. Regal was a guy I

56:38

was supposed to work with. I had

56:41

this whole program set. I tore my

56:43

bicep. I tore my bicep. I tore

56:45

my bicep, I tore my bicep, worked

56:47

work with. I had this whole program

56:50

set. I tore my bicep. They were

56:52

my bicep. They were going to my

56:54

bicep. They were going to me. the

56:56

program, you know, that was one of

56:58

the, you know, mishaps that I had.

57:01

So yeah, there were a lot of

57:03

times that, you know, things, things happen

57:05

that I wish, I wish could have

57:07

been different. When you were saying regal

57:09

on my side, is that the parasite

57:12

thing? Yeah, yeah, that's the parasite, I

57:14

believe that's the person. Yeah, when he

57:16

went down and almost died, I guess,

57:18

I don't know an Africa or something

57:21

like that. Not Alabama or Texas. No,

57:23

Alabama or Texas. If it was Oklahoma,

57:25

he had to call it the dumbass

57:27

and would have never got rid of

57:29

it. It ended up addicted to freaking

57:32

bingo. I love it. Sean Brown has

57:34

a fun question. I know you'll enjoy.

57:36

How did you get started investing, John?

57:38

What are you looking for when trading

57:40

stocks? Who do you follow on social

57:43

media for tips? What books did you

57:45

read? Did you get in on the

57:47

Game Stop craziness? Okay, first the game

57:49

stopped craziness. I got a buddy that

57:51

did get in on it, but he

57:54

got in on it through the chat

57:56

rooms. So he was following the chats,

57:58

which is on Reddit, which is 100%

58:00

legal, and he made a lot of

58:03

money off this, he's a big hedge

58:05

fund guy, he's made a lot of

58:07

money in life. But I was always

58:09

worried I was going to be the

58:11

last one in, it was like, you

58:14

know, it was always worried I was

58:16

going to be the last one in,

58:18

it was like, you know, musical chairs,

58:20

you know, you don't end up getting

58:22

a chair, he ended up, I was

58:25

always worried about the game. I got

58:27

in there investing in 96, 97 when

58:29

I first started making a little bit

58:31

of money because I played a little

58:34

football, didn't have any money and always

58:36

said I didn't invest when I did.

58:38

I just read a ton of books.

58:40

Peter Lynch's Know What You Own was

58:42

one of the best books that I

58:45

ever read. So I had an idea

58:47

to write my own financial book for

58:49

people like me that didn't like financial

58:51

books. So that's why I wrote the

58:53

book. But I read a ton of

58:56

books and... I got lucky the first

58:58

investment I made were in 97, I

59:00

believe it was, it was in the

59:02

Asian crisis, which I didn't know was

59:04

a crisis at the time, I was

59:07

just lucky to get in at that

59:09

time, I bought Oracle and applied materials,

59:11

my first two stocks, and they went

59:13

straight up, you know, and they went

59:16

straight up, you know, and they went

59:18

straight up, you know, and they went

59:20

straight up, you know, and they went

59:22

straight up, you know, they went straight

59:24

up, you know, it's going to be,

59:27

8% percent grower for the next 10

59:29

years and that's how I invest in

59:31

it. I look at companies that I

59:33

like, that I understand, and that I

59:35

can explain. And if I think they're

59:38

a good company, like I've invested in

59:40

Walmart for years because there's a Walmart

59:42

in my hometown in Athens, Texas, and

59:44

I know how good the store is

59:47

and everybody in town shops at this

59:49

freaking store. I know how good that

59:51

company is. And if any of you

59:53

look at the financials, I think, this

59:55

is a good time to invest. There's

59:58

not much way you can go wrong.

1:00:00

That's why I've never invested in crypto.

1:00:02

I don't understand it. I've had buddies

1:00:04

that made a lot of money in

1:00:06

it, but, you know, Vince, I learned

1:00:09

this from Vince, Donald Trump, uh, told

1:00:11

Vince, I'm good to invest it. and

1:00:13

some real estate. And Vince said, told

1:00:15

me on the plane one time, he

1:00:17

goes, I never did that because I

1:00:20

don't understand real estate. Vince wouldn't invest

1:00:22

in something he didn't understand. And I

1:00:24

always thought that's the way you should

1:00:26

treat investing, only invest what you can

1:00:29

explain very easily. Chris Cole wants to

1:00:31

know, is there anything you wanted to

1:00:33

do with the APA that you never

1:00:35

got the chance to? No, I don't

1:00:37

think so. I mean, actually, yes, yes,

1:00:40

yes, yes. We filmed a pilot for

1:00:42

a fishing video one time. I thought

1:00:44

it was freaking awesome. The guys that

1:00:46

filmed it thought it was freaking awesome.

1:00:48

They were gonna take it to one

1:00:51

of the outdoor channels at the time.

1:00:53

They thought it was awesome. Nobody didn't

1:00:55

like it. And I'm not sure why.

1:00:57

I don't know why. I thought me

1:01:00

and Ron had something really good with

1:01:02

this fishing video. We had an APA

1:01:04

skit at the end. We was legit

1:01:06

fishing video. We and Ron are both

1:01:08

fishermen. I come from my... I come

1:01:11

from my family. a fishman. My family,

1:01:13

the Layfields, they're in Athens, Texas at

1:01:15

the Texas State Fish Hatchery with George

1:01:17

Bush Jr. the former governor of Texas

1:01:19

and second Bush president, got put into

1:01:22

Athens. There's a huge corner display of

1:01:24

Layfield lures. All my uncles, cotton and

1:01:26

jester, my granddad, my granddad's brothers, you

1:01:28

know, they're all fame fishmen, they have

1:01:30

this huge display. I bought it from

1:01:33

a guy years ago. for $20,000 and

1:01:35

I donated it back to the museum.

1:01:37

So I come from this family of

1:01:39

incredible fishermen. Got this great history. In

1:01:42

fact, I had Laced the lure, I

1:01:44

don't know if I have one here

1:01:46

handy, that Rupala Lewis was going to

1:01:48

put out and spend a year in

1:01:50

research. And they said, this is one

1:01:53

of the best lures we've ever heard.

1:01:55

It's kind of like an H&8 skirt

1:01:57

on top of it. The lure moves

1:01:59

this way and a skirt moves differently.

1:02:01

So it looks like a wounded bitch.

1:02:04

It runs about three to four feet

1:02:06

under the water. It's a fast lure.

1:02:08

Incredible lure. But then right when they

1:02:10

got ready to bring it out, they

1:02:13

changed. Not ownership they changed management in

1:02:15

that division and the new guy didn't

1:02:17

want to do anything with the wrestler

1:02:19

and so They sold me all the

1:02:21

lures for a buck a piece. I

1:02:24

got like nine thousand lures down in

1:02:26

a shed down in Athens, Texas But

1:02:28

we had this fishing show and I

1:02:30

thought it was excellent especially my history

1:02:32

in it and For whatever reason WDB

1:02:35

didn't didn't see value in it and

1:02:37

I wish they would have gave us

1:02:39

a chance They filled lures. How about

1:02:41

that? They filled lures. They're my uncles

1:02:43

created this and my cousins would paint

1:02:46

them. They would make the little lip

1:02:48

on the lure that made it die.

1:02:50

So the faster you pull it, it's

1:02:52

more it dies. They'd make that out

1:02:55

of hub caps and they made the

1:02:57

skirt on the back that would move

1:02:59

independently of the lure. They'd make that

1:03:01

out of raccoon hair and the mongles

1:03:03

didn't have any money. They were very,

1:03:06

very poor people. They carved them out

1:03:08

of trees. You know, and they never

1:03:10

made much money with the lure. It

1:03:12

became very famous. Some guy who was

1:03:14

a Baptist minister told him they could

1:03:17

make millions off of it. And of

1:03:19

course, that's the guy that cheated him.

1:03:21

And they never made any money because

1:03:23

of some asshole that took their lure

1:03:26

from. Man, you've just blown me away.

1:03:28

I didn't know that you had a

1:03:30

fishing pedigree. And by the way, I

1:03:32

really can confirm you're from Texas. Did

1:03:34

you say you had an uncle cotton?

1:03:37

Cotton and jester. Yeah, the field is

1:03:39

the most fucking name. Godrad, my four,

1:03:41

my great-uncles, my granddad, Tom, it was,

1:03:43

his brothers were cotton-doodle jester and bonk.

1:03:45

Yeah, but how about bad Dave Silva,

1:03:48

cot-doodle jester and bonk? Cotton, I mean,

1:03:50

yeah, we need one of those, remember

1:03:52

those horseman shirts that just said like

1:03:54

Rick, Arn, Philly, that's right. We just

1:03:57

gotta list them. That is such a

1:03:59

great cotton doodle. That's not like a

1:04:01

phrase, those are brothers. There's a

1:04:03

people layfield and a cotton layfield.

1:04:05

Wow, this is amazing. All these guys,

1:04:07

all they like to do is drink and

1:04:10

fish. And so my dad was a

1:04:12

very religious guy, bad past few years,

1:04:14

he was ornate minister. So my

1:04:16

dad never wanted to hang around

1:04:18

my uncle's. When you got uncles that

1:04:20

are famous fishermen, all he wanted

1:04:23

to do is drinking fish. That's

1:04:25

who do you think you want to

1:04:27

hang around? Except for your uncles. So

1:04:29

when you and Ron did this fishing

1:04:31

show, was this a bass fishing show? Yeah,

1:04:34

yeah, we were down there in Athens, Texas.

1:04:36

I mean, some of the best bass fish

1:04:38

in the world, Lake Port, just north

1:04:40

of me, is one of the best bass

1:04:42

fishing lakes in the world. You know,

1:04:45

Georgia holds the world, 22 pounds, there

1:04:47

was one called, the world record, 22

1:04:49

pounds, there was one call, and it,

1:04:52

the best bass fishing lakes, the world.

1:04:54

Georgia holds the world record, 22,

1:04:56

22 pounds fishing lakes, in the world.

1:04:59

had built this lake specifically

1:05:01

for bass fishing. We had gravel beds

1:05:03

on one side for spawning. He

1:05:05

had deep underwater. He had all

1:05:08

kinds of structures. It was 100% built

1:05:10

for bat. This is a multi-million

1:05:12

dollar lake that he had built. And

1:05:14

we've fished on that lake, tons of fish.

1:05:16

Had a heck of a day. But yeah, it

1:05:19

was all done in East Texas bass

1:05:21

fishing. And you got to come check

1:05:23

it out. I don't know if you've

1:05:25

seen the list, but Gunnersville, Alabama actually

1:05:27

makes a lot of the best fast

1:05:29

fishing lakes in Alabama in America. And

1:05:31

it's right out that window. So the next

1:05:33

time you come down, you got to get you

1:05:36

out there. And I love the bass fish. I almost

1:05:38

got picked out of school so much for bass fishing

1:05:40

when I was in high school. I love the fish.

1:05:42

I love the worm. I love the worm fish. I

1:05:44

never had money to have a boat. So I would

1:05:46

have fish from. I stand on three limbs and

1:05:49

then I fish with worms, you know, you know, you

1:05:51

pull the worm out, you know, flipping, I was real

1:05:53

good at flipping and dragging the worms off and

1:05:55

letting it fall. That was how I love the fish.

1:05:57

Never very good in open water because I

1:05:59

never... did it. Well, we gotta we

1:06:02

gotta make that happen. My next

1:06:04

door neighbor happens to be a

1:06:06

professional fisherman. Like that's his

1:06:08

awesome. You would get along with him.

1:06:10

Great. I'll bring some layfield lures. I've

1:06:12

got about 9,000 of them. I just

1:06:15

sent some to Ranger Ross and Ron

1:06:17

Simmons. Just sent some. I just can't

1:06:19

believe this is a sentence. We gotta

1:06:21

recreate that fishing show. There is there

1:06:24

would be an app. Oh my God.

1:06:26

Conrad, it was unbelievable. And you can

1:06:28

imagine how entertaining it was. And it

1:06:31

was awesome. We're sitting out there drinking

1:06:33

beer, fishing, having a blast, catching huge

1:06:35

fish, by the way. Me and Ron can both fish.

1:06:37

We're actually pretty good fishermen. And then

1:06:39

at the end, we had like an APA

1:06:42

roundup, you know, at the end, the little

1:06:44

story tell. It was awesome. Did you ever

1:06:46

see any Bill Dance TV? Did they have that

1:06:48

over? Oh my God. Yeah, who was the got

1:06:50

Jimmy, Jimmy, oh. Yeah, yes, yes. I

1:06:52

can't think of the guy's name, Jimmy,

1:06:54

something that I used to watch the

1:06:57

Saturday Morning fishing shows all the time.

1:06:59

It's so crazy. What a small world this.

1:07:01

Be alike, wants to know, can

1:07:03

you discuss a wrestler career arc

1:07:05

that surprised you? Who was someone

1:07:07

who made it much bigger than

1:07:09

you expected based on your first

1:07:12

impression? Who was someone you

1:07:14

thought could have blown up much

1:07:16

bigger? Their circumstances were a little

1:07:18

different. Yeah. Miss, no doubt about it. The

1:07:21

Miss when he came in, and not because

1:07:23

the Miss didn't have talent, he did.

1:07:25

But how do you learn on

1:07:27

national global television? You know, that's

1:07:29

impossible. What Miss did is almost

1:07:32

an impossibility. He had his

1:07:34

first matches on global television.

1:07:36

You know, by the time I got the

1:07:38

debit B, I probably had a thousand matches.

1:07:40

Most of the guys did. And Miss

1:07:43

is having to learn on global

1:07:45

television. without that educational background of

1:07:47

having to work for a bunch

1:07:49

of territories and all the things

1:07:51

that we got to do. And he has built

1:07:53

the Hall of Fame career from

1:07:56

that moment. And I think that's

1:07:58

incredibly remarkable that he been

1:08:00

able to do that because he didn't

1:08:02

have that background like we had. Scott

1:08:04

Blaine wants to do show and tell

1:08:06

and I'm for it he wants to

1:08:09

know John what are your thoughts on

1:08:11

this shirt and how does this get

1:08:13

approved of course this pops up at

1:08:15

least once a year when people talk

1:08:18

about the worst wrestling shirt ever APA

1:08:20

protection always pounding ass are in grill

1:08:22

goodness gracious what do you think of

1:08:24

this? It was like the door. Well,

1:08:26

they showed us the door. I goes,

1:08:29

you got leaving. They showed us the

1:08:31

draw up for this shirt. I goes,

1:08:33

that's great. We thought it was funny.

1:08:35

We approved it. That's so stupid. We

1:08:38

said it was fine. We said it

1:08:40

was fine. I thought it was funny.

1:08:42

I know the double entendre. That's why

1:08:44

we thought it was funny because it

1:08:46

was so stupid. It was so courty

1:08:49

that we thought it was great. We

1:08:51

go, don't know what this means. Of

1:08:53

course we do. Of course we do.

1:08:55

Yes, that's why we thought it was

1:08:58

funny. What do you think? Do you

1:09:00

hate it? I mean, can you imagine

1:09:02

a wrestling fan wearing a shirt in

1:09:04

public that says always pounding ass? And

1:09:07

that's what we thought was so funny.

1:09:09

Like, we're like, who's gonna wear this?

1:09:11

This is insane. That's why we thought

1:09:13

it was so funny. I wanted to

1:09:15

prove it. Me or I got a,

1:09:18

I don't know, maybe it's wild since

1:09:20

we thought it was funny. We got

1:09:22

to talk about 2015. You were there

1:09:24

for this. This is a question from

1:09:27

Wauper the 3rd. He wants to know,

1:09:29

John, what was the story on elimination

1:09:31

chamber 2015? Was it as much of

1:09:33

a cluster fuck as it seemed? As

1:09:35

a reminder, it was an elimination chamber

1:09:38

match. Actually, there were two. There was

1:09:40

a tag team elimination chamber match. It

1:09:42

was new day in the prime time

1:09:44

players, Tyson Kidd, and Cesaro. The Ascension,

1:09:47

the Lucia dragons. and lost matadors. Then

1:09:49

we got an intercontinental elimination chamber. So

1:09:51

it was right back in Shamest and

1:09:53

Dahl Sigler, Mark Henry, and our truth.

1:09:55

King Barrett. Listen, we've seen some great

1:09:58

ideas in the elimination chamber. I'm not

1:10:00

sure that tag team in Intercontinental was

1:10:02

it. What did you think of this?

1:10:04

Yeah, sometimes things look good on the

1:10:07

board and then in person they don't

1:10:09

work. You know, I was talking to

1:10:11

Tyler Breeze and Fondango and England about

1:10:13

when they did the match where they

1:10:15

come out with the mops and the

1:10:18

detective glasses and stuff and everybody in

1:10:20

the room. Thought it was a stupid

1:10:22

idea that Vince had to come out

1:10:24

with a mop, you know, and they

1:10:27

said, hey, these guys work really hard,

1:10:29

they're good workers, and all that's true.

1:10:31

They said, don't have them do this,

1:10:33

it'll kill their career. And it's like,

1:10:35

I think it works. And Roaddog was,

1:10:38

I mean, dead said against, I was

1:10:40

against it too, but I'm sitting there

1:10:42

thinking, you know what, maybe Vince, no,

1:10:44

I don't know. And sure enough, when

1:10:47

they did it, You know, but sometimes

1:10:49

you draw something and you think this

1:10:51

is going to work and it goes

1:10:53

the exact opposite way. That's what happened

1:10:55

with that. I mean, the tag team

1:10:58

elimination chamber. I have no idea why

1:11:00

somebody thought this was a good idea,

1:11:02

but it wasn't. Spanish Jesus of X

1:11:04

over on Twitter wants to know if

1:11:07

you can give a closed line to

1:11:09

any famous historical person. Who would it

1:11:11

be? Who? Any famous historical person? Probably

1:11:13

Andrew Johnson. The president after Lincoln, he

1:11:15

cut off the rebuilding of the South

1:11:18

and put the South back a hundred

1:11:20

years until Lyndon Johnson passed the Civil

1:11:22

Rights Act. So if anybody had to

1:11:24

close line history, I think Andrew Johnson,

1:11:27

I didn't talk to him as a

1:11:29

kid off. And we're getting some knowledge

1:11:31

dropped on us here. I didn't expect

1:11:33

that one. Blobert says any recollections or

1:11:35

stories. to share on the huge outdoor

1:11:38

Dublin Ireland show. It was made invented

1:11:40

by JBL versus Johnson versus Kurt Angle.

1:11:42

The special guest referee was Steve Austin

1:11:44

in 2005 for JBL cut a great

1:11:47

deal promo calling Ireland Britain's bitch. Yes

1:11:49

I did. What do you remember of

1:11:51

this show? I remember a spot I

1:11:53

called this is oh it's so freaking

1:11:55

bad. I think it was this one

1:11:58

had to be because I don't Steve

1:12:00

surely wasn't a referee with me and

1:12:02

Curtin and John and any other match.

1:12:04

But I was on the top rope

1:12:07

and I and I've called the spot

1:12:09

as I'm going up the top rope.

1:12:11

I tell, I think Sino's being held

1:12:13

by angle or something. I said back

1:12:15

elbow and catch me in a power

1:12:18

slam. I told him to back elbow

1:12:20

and catch me in a power slam.

1:12:22

I told him to back elbow. Kurt

1:12:24

went out of the ring and Sina

1:12:27

sold out the side of the side

1:12:29

of the other ring. Then it's taking

1:12:31

me for every climb up to the

1:12:33

top rope. And now I'm just standing

1:12:35

there on the top rope by myself.

1:12:38

Nobody's in the ring and so colds

1:12:40

standing there as a referee. And Finley's

1:12:42

down at the rings. He goes, what

1:12:44

are you going to do now? I

1:12:47

guess climb down. I don't know. That's

1:12:49

the only option. So I climb down.

1:12:51

It was also, I mean, it was

1:12:53

so much fun. I'm working with the

1:12:55

Free Hall of Famer. You know, how

1:12:58

can you go wrong? They brought Steve

1:13:00

over for that tour. You know, Steve

1:13:02

was like hyper. I remember one time

1:13:04

me and Sina were working just north

1:13:07

of San Francisco and taker couldn't make

1:13:09

it or something so they called hot

1:13:11

rod to come in and me and

1:13:13

Sina hadn't locked up for 10 minutes

1:13:15

with hot rod just being hot rod

1:13:18

as the referee and Sina looked over

1:13:20

at me and I told I told

1:13:22

John I said you know he has

1:13:24

just stole the show nobody even notices

1:13:27

this and Sina goes it's also been

1:13:29

it's freaking incredible. It's just you know

1:13:31

when you got a referee like a

1:13:33

stone cold or a hot rod There's

1:13:35

a good chance referee is going to

1:13:38

get more over than you That's awesome

1:13:40

Jay over on Twitter wants to know

1:13:42

as a wrestler who's very smart with

1:13:44

money. Do you have any thoughts on

1:13:47

wrestlers using an agent like a Barry

1:13:49

Bloom or these talent agencies to negotiate

1:13:51

contracts? And would that ever be something

1:13:53

you would ever do for yourself? Thanks

1:13:56

legend. I don't know. I don't I

1:13:58

don't think I know. I don't think

1:14:00

I know Barry. Obviously I know exactly

1:14:02

who is. Don't get me wrong. I

1:14:04

want to say I don't know him.

1:14:07

I don't think I've ever met him

1:14:09

unless I'm just shook his hands. I

1:14:11

don't think I don't think I know

1:14:13

Barry. I know Barry. But I don't

1:14:16

think I know Barry. He comes very

1:14:18

highly regarded by everybody. He's done really

1:14:20

good stuff for a lot of guys.

1:14:22

A lot of these agents have done

1:14:24

really good stuff. Mojo Raleigh is now

1:14:27

an agent. He's done good stuff for

1:14:29

guys. I've never used one, I had

1:14:31

agent one time, and I remember he

1:14:33

came to a show one time with

1:14:36

me, and I would never use them

1:14:38

for Vince. Vince hated agents. Vince was

1:14:40

a great pay guy, but he tried

1:14:42

to back Vince into a Vince into

1:14:44

a corner. it would work just the

1:14:47

opposite. So if you brought an agent

1:14:49

to the deal with it, you would

1:14:51

get a worse deal than if you

1:14:53

just went to Betts. And anyway, the

1:14:56

agent was being used for my C&BC

1:14:58

or Fox or whatever it was. I

1:15:00

had him for a very short time.

1:15:02

Nice guy, very nice guy, very competent

1:15:04

guy. But I remember he introduced himself

1:15:07

to Vince and Vince looked at him

1:15:09

like he had just passed gas. The

1:15:11

look of disgust was like, and then

1:15:13

Vince looked at me like you got

1:15:16

an agent, yeah like that. No, not

1:15:18

for you, not for you. I'm like,

1:15:20

oh my God, best hated agent. So

1:15:22

no, I've never used one, but I've

1:15:24

always had a fault that maybe I

1:15:27

should because the problem you have in

1:15:29

wrestling is our salaries are confidential. There's

1:15:31

a confidentiality clause in all the contracts.

1:15:33

Now some guys will release their contracts

1:15:36

out and some of them may not

1:15:38

have confidentiality calls. All of mine did.

1:15:40

I assume that most of them did

1:15:42

from WME. So I don't know what

1:15:44

anybody else is making. An agent has

1:15:47

a way to get that stuff because

1:15:49

they've done other guys contracts. So I

1:15:51

can see why you would use an

1:15:53

agent that somebody like Barry Bloom. I've

1:15:56

just never done it because I always

1:15:58

had a deal of events and then

1:16:00

didn't like agents and Vince was best

1:16:02

pay guy in the world and I

1:16:04

never had a reason to use an

1:16:07

agent with Vince. Hi, this

1:16:09

is Debbie, your blinds.com design consultant. Oh

1:16:11

wow, a real person. Yep, I am

1:16:14

here to help you with everything, from

1:16:16

selecting the perfect window treatments to...

1:16:18

Wow, I've got a complicated project. Oh,

1:16:20

not a problem. I can even schedule

1:16:23

a professional measure and install. We can

1:16:25

also send you samples, fast and free.

1:16:27

Hmm, I just might have to do

1:16:30

more. Oh, okay. So the first room

1:16:32

we're looking at is for guess. Shop,

1:16:34

shop blinds.com, rules and restrictions may apply.

1:16:37

Well it's also worth mentioning too that

1:16:39

a lot of guys use agents to

1:16:41

help with that sort of good cop,

1:16:44

bad cop thing, right? Like they

1:16:46

want to maintain a great relationship with

1:16:48

Vince, but they like more money and

1:16:50

if he views you as the individual

1:16:53

asking for more money, maybe that's I

1:16:55

look upon as favorably. I get the

1:16:57

rationale, but I also know that for

1:17:00

years Vince just didn't want to deal

1:17:02

with agents at all. He hated them

1:17:04

and I never used one with Vince

1:17:07

and always got paid I thought

1:17:09

very generously. You know, now if I

1:17:11

was to get one, you know, get

1:17:13

a deal somewhere, which I don't, there's

1:17:16

nothing out there about to happen, I

1:17:18

would, I'd be happy to use an

1:17:20

agent because I certainly don't know what

1:17:23

the salaries are. I don't know what

1:17:25

to expect. I mean, everything's changed with

1:17:27

the new big TV contract. I have

1:17:30

no idea. So if I had

1:17:32

a chance, I'd probably be calling Barry

1:17:34

Bloom and saying please what you represent,

1:17:36

what you represent me. Well, JBLver come

1:17:39

back doing a weekly WW commentary with

1:17:41

Michael Cole if offered the role. So

1:17:43

if your phone rang and it was

1:17:46

Mr. Coyne on the other side and

1:17:48

he said, hey, we'd love to see

1:17:50

you and Michael Cole put the band

1:17:53

back together. Would you be interested?

1:17:55

Of course, I'd be interested, but there's

1:17:57

not a spot available and I don't

1:17:59

see one coming open. So it's a

1:18:02

hypothetical that and I don't want to

1:18:04

say that, you know. people take this

1:18:06

out of context. You have great commentators

1:18:09

right now. I think Pat McAfee does

1:18:11

a great job. I think Wade does

1:18:13

a great job. I think Booker's doing

1:18:16

a great job. Corey, I love those

1:18:18

guys. And you've got wonderful guys who

1:18:20

are filling the roles incredibly well,

1:18:22

better than I can do. So there's

1:18:25

no role available. Would I enjoy it?

1:18:27

Of course I would. Yeah, I had

1:18:29

a lot of fun being around the

1:18:32

boys and a lot of fun working

1:18:34

with Michael. But there's no spot in

1:18:36

work. in a commentary role. Well there

1:18:39

is a future in growing your business.

1:18:41

If you can hear my voice and

1:18:43

you run a small business, you

1:18:45

need to go right now to Conrad's

1:18:48

guy.com. That's where you're going to learn

1:18:50

about my man over at Envision Marketing

1:18:52

Consultants. I'm talking about Eric Nichols. I've

1:18:55

been advertising my mortgage company since 2009.

1:18:57

I started buying a lot of radio

1:18:59

and TV reps. They actually started to

1:19:02

sell me a little bit on digital.

1:19:04

The idea being I knew that the

1:19:06

world was changing. I needed to

1:19:08

be able to get some ads on

1:19:11

YouTube and Amazon and Hulu and you

1:19:13

can do all of that now including

1:19:15

SEO and paper click and target a

1:19:18

display. If your company is doing any

1:19:20

of that right now, you owe it

1:19:22

to yourself and your business and your

1:19:25

family. Go talk with my buddy Eric.

1:19:27

Let him take a look at Conrad's

1:19:29

guy.com. Here's what's great. If Eric

1:19:31

and his team in a division marketing

1:19:34

can't help your company and you're on

1:19:36

the right track, they'll tell you that

1:19:38

too. Having that peace of mind of

1:19:41

knowing you're getting the best out of

1:19:43

your marketing budget, that's what we're really

1:19:45

talking about. And I'm talking to you

1:19:48

if you're B2B or retail or food

1:19:50

and beverage, manufacturing, non-profits, and certainly mortgages.

1:19:52

If you're ready to overhaul your

1:19:54

digital marketing or just jumpstart and get

1:19:57

ready to start making some more money

1:19:59

by creating some more business, some new

1:20:01

leads, whatever you're looking for, they can

1:20:04

help. They can make it happen. They

1:20:06

want to help you right now at

1:20:08

Conrad's guide.com for sure. Don't buy it

1:20:11

from your radio or TV rep. I

1:20:13

did that. I paid the stupid tax.

1:20:15

It didn't work. So I relied heavily

1:20:18

on radio and TV. But once I

1:20:20

talked to Eric, man, the switch

1:20:22

just flipped. The light bulb went on.

1:20:24

My leads went up, my cost went

1:20:27

down, and you want to talk about

1:20:29

efficient, you want to talk about results.

1:20:31

You're talking about envision marketing consultants. Go

1:20:34

check it out right now. Cat with

1:20:36

my buddy Eric. He helped me, he'll

1:20:38

help you. And I believe it so

1:20:41

much, I'm letting them use. My name

1:20:43

in their domain, Conrad's Guy, dot

1:20:45

com. That's Conrad's Guy, dot com. Hey

1:20:47

John, we got a hard hitting question

1:20:50

here that I know is going to

1:20:52

get you fired up. Big Ben wants

1:20:54

to know, why haven't you responded to

1:20:57

Vince Russo about the lies? Yeah, bankrupting

1:20:59

companies. Monday Night Raw had the highest

1:21:01

ratings under Russo. WCPW was sold and

1:21:04

T&A is still in business. So there.

1:21:06

and any boo-boo, stick your head

1:21:08

and do-do. Those companies didn't go out

1:21:10

of business, but you did get a

1:21:13

lot of traction from hardcore Russo followers.

1:21:15

I like, man. I got along with

1:21:17

him. I know that was not your

1:21:20

experience with him, but a lot of

1:21:22

people are saying, what did he lie

1:21:24

about? In fact, you're the liar. Those

1:21:27

companies didn't go out of business. Got

1:21:29

me up. In truth, they did

1:21:31

not go out of business. I say

1:21:33

bankrupt. I said bankrupt, I should have

1:21:36

said bankrupt. P&A had to go through

1:21:38

a lot of iterations to stay solvent

1:21:40

and stay in business. So bankrupt was

1:21:43

the wrong word to use. I should

1:21:45

not have used that. So I apologize

1:21:47

for misspeaking on my nomenclature. The rest

1:21:50

of it, you know, I stand by,

1:21:52

you know, the guy I've been

1:21:54

talking about, Bruce O'it All, he mentioned

1:21:56

the brawl for all and he's, you

1:21:59

know, trying to make a living off

1:22:01

of controversy. And if it's not me,

1:22:03

it's somebody else. And so I don't.

1:22:06

No, no desire to be in a

1:22:08

controversy with somebody that, somebody that is,

1:22:10

can't go back anywhere he's been. That

1:22:13

part, you know, that's all you need

1:22:15

to know about him. He literally cannot

1:22:17

go back to any place that he

1:22:20

has been and work. As far

1:22:22

as I know, you know, you know,

1:22:24

you don't see him at WWU reunions,

1:22:26

you don't see him anywhere else. So

1:22:29

he makes his living off controversy if

1:22:31

it's not me at somebody else and

1:22:33

I've no desire to. You didn't get

1:22:36

anything with somebody on the internet that

1:22:38

certainly does not That's all that I've

1:22:41

noticed already in the controversy with this

1:22:43

guy. Do you think I never

1:22:45

really put that together until you said

1:22:47

that because they're always having Legends reunions

1:22:50

and opportunities and meet and greets and

1:22:52

access and all that maybe it's not

1:22:54

on the main show, but it's W.

1:22:57

adjacent You know, it's still a part

1:22:59

of the offering and the presentation. It

1:23:01

just might not be on USA or

1:23:04

Netflix, but I don't think that really

1:23:06

clicked for me that Russo has

1:23:08

never been involved in any of that.

1:23:10

Were there hurt feelings that Vince hung

1:23:13

on to when Russo left and went

1:23:15

to W CW? I don't know. You

1:23:17

know, Vince, the big man, I never

1:23:20

said anything about it like that to

1:23:22

that. I don't think he would. Even

1:23:24

if he had him, I don't think

1:23:27

he would. I don't know if there

1:23:29

was, you know, Vince Russo came

1:23:31

back for a very short time. You

1:23:33

know, Vince was scrambling to figure things

1:23:36

out and Tommy Boncha was, that's when

1:23:38

kind of Tommy kind of filled the

1:23:40

gap. Tommy's really qualified guy, really good

1:23:43

guy. So I don't know. I don't

1:23:45

know if there was, you know, Vince

1:23:47

Russo came back for a very short

1:23:50

time and didn't stay. And I know,

1:23:52

I do know when... I did

1:23:54

a Legends with JBL and I had

1:23:56

Eric Bishawth on and he said something

1:23:59

about Vince Russo for his WW. sent

1:24:01

me a text, not some very nice

1:24:03

text back, and he said, hey, I

1:24:06

demand to come on, or I think

1:24:08

he said, demand, I don't want, again,

1:24:10

I don't want to, you know, in

1:24:13

a long time, I don't want to,

1:24:15

sometimes when you, when you try to

1:24:17

discredit a guy, you just try to

1:24:20

find words here or there that

1:24:22

are wrong instead of the whole sentiment,

1:24:24

and refute what Bischoff said about me.

1:24:26

And so, I said, okay. So I

1:24:29

asked Vince McMahon. I said, hey, here's

1:24:31

what happened on Legends with JBL had

1:24:33

fish off all and I thought it

1:24:36

was a very good show. And I

1:24:38

said, but he said this about Vince

1:24:40

Russo. Russo has sent me this text.

1:24:43

I said, you can read it

1:24:45

if you want to. And he said,

1:24:47

no, I don't want to. He said,

1:24:49

give me a summary of what it

1:24:52

is. Actually, I did not tell him

1:24:54

I read it because I wouldn't do

1:24:56

something I think I'd do that. It

1:24:59

was a summary of summary of what

1:25:01

it was. And I said, would you

1:25:03

want to do a show with Vince

1:25:06

Russo? I said, I'm happy to

1:25:08

interview him. And Vince said, no. Nope,

1:25:10

not giving him any press whatsoever. Nope,

1:25:12

not doing it. And that was it.

1:25:15

So I don't know, events had animosity

1:25:17

toward him. Our events was this guy

1:25:19

who is out there saying something negative

1:25:22

about our product. And I don't want

1:25:24

to give him press as far as

1:25:26

prestige as far as putting him on

1:25:29

a WDB show. I don't know

1:25:31

what Vince's motive was behind saying. this

1:25:33

is not going to happen. So I

1:25:35

don't know what Vince was thinking. Yeah,

1:25:38

I'm fascinated by that, because I never

1:25:40

really thought about that, but it does

1:25:42

feel like there were a handful of

1:25:45

guys that there were hard feelings with

1:25:47

for a long time. We saw recently

1:25:49

the news that demolition has just recently

1:25:52

signed a legend deal with W.

1:25:54

W. E. E. E. For a long

1:25:56

time W. W. W. E. W. E.

1:25:58

W. E. Fans like myself. The idea

1:26:01

that they've been omitted from the Hall

1:26:03

of Fame all these years has been

1:26:05

a glaring omission because they were such

1:26:08

a big part of my fandom as

1:26:10

a kid. So I hope. that becomes

1:26:12

more likely to be a reality. But

1:26:15

did you ever have a conversation with

1:26:17

Vince about the hurt feelings maybe towards

1:26:19

Bill 80? No, but I did

1:26:21

have a little bit about the lawsuit.

1:26:24

You know, there was a, there was

1:26:26

the lawsuits that we make for those

1:26:28

were the hurt feelings. And as far

1:26:31

as my understanding, and you know, it's

1:26:33

hard to get over that, you know,

1:26:35

so I sues you. I get it.

1:26:38

I mean, I think Vince had to

1:26:40

settle. So he had to write a

1:26:42

check. And that's not a lot

1:26:44

of people got over on the old

1:26:47

man. Right, and you look at guy

1:26:49

like Jesse Ventura, Jesse Ventura sued Vince

1:26:51

and won, but then Jesse Ventura becomes

1:26:54

governor. And so that's a different thing

1:26:56

when you have to bring, when you

1:26:58

want to bring a governor in to

1:27:01

be the referee at Somerset. Yeah. If

1:27:03

Jesse had just won the lawsuit and

1:27:05

was just average Jesse Ventura somewhere,

1:27:07

not a, you know, the governor of

1:27:10

Minnesota, they wouldn't have brought Jesse back.

1:27:12

There was hard feelings for Jesse. But

1:27:14

because he was governor and Jesse will

1:27:17

say that himself, you know, because he

1:27:19

made this huge name for himself, all

1:27:21

of a sudden you bring him back,

1:27:24

you know, then you can mend fences

1:27:26

and things like that. But when you

1:27:28

don't need a person and they've

1:27:30

sued you, there's those hard feelings just

1:27:33

kind of stay out there. You know,

1:27:35

and I know, I met Bill many,

1:27:37

many times. What a wonderful man, you

1:27:40

know, and just shit happens. But, you

1:27:42

know, I can understand why Vince would

1:27:44

not want to bring him in after

1:27:47

losing a loss. Do you know if

1:27:49

there were her feelings with Macho Man?

1:27:51

Because for so long, you know,

1:27:53

it felt like everybody came back except

1:27:56

Macho Man. And it feels like there

1:27:58

was a would have been a huge

1:28:00

opportunity before he passed like this contract

1:28:03

with W. C. W. Actually ended before

1:28:05

W. C. W. Went under even if

1:28:07

it was just, you know, celebrating him

1:28:10

and a WrestleMania apparent tear there or

1:28:12

whatever. It could have worked, but it

1:28:14

just didn't. Was that a vent call

1:28:17

or do you think he and Savage

1:28:19

just didn't get along? Apparently, they

1:28:21

didn't get along. From what I've heard,

1:28:23

I don't know that for sure, but

1:28:26

I mean, we didn't mention the savage

1:28:28

around Vince. It was kind of well

1:28:30

known, you know, you just, it just

1:28:33

wasn't said. And I don't know what

1:28:35

the heat was. I think, you know,

1:28:37

it was all about business is what

1:28:40

it was. I know that. But, you

1:28:42

know, Vince was a guy that

1:28:44

he carried a grudge and now he

1:28:46

carried a grudge until business necessitated that

1:28:49

you don't carry the grudge the grudge.

1:28:51

And so that I think that point

1:28:53

never came up. I just think it's

1:28:56

interesting that he did eventually go in

1:28:58

the Hall of Fame but only posthumously

1:29:00

and Lanny inducted him and unfortunately Lanny's

1:29:03

no longer with us. But the way

1:29:05

Vince has held grudges has always

1:29:07

been interesting to me because it doesn't

1:29:10

feel like this one-size-fits-all. It always comes

1:29:12

back to what's best for business and

1:29:14

I'm glad you clarified that it was

1:29:17

business because I'm so tired of all

1:29:19

the bullshit. speculation about that one. It's

1:29:21

like, he left when Ted Turner was

1:29:24

doubling down. I mean, he had seen

1:29:26

what Hogan had done with Turner, like

1:29:28

Savage going, had to feel like

1:29:30

a major blow to the WWF. Sure,

1:29:33

and Vince is the most Machiavellian guy

1:29:35

I've ever seen in my life. That's

1:29:37

the best way to explain it. He

1:29:40

does what's best for business. You know,

1:29:42

Vince told me one time, he said,

1:29:44

listen, This was an unbelievably mackerelant and

1:29:47

when business necessitated that you change, Vince

1:29:49

got over grudges pretty quick, whether he

1:29:51

did or not, he put his

1:29:53

grudges aside. And I think that's what

1:29:56

it was with Bill Eady. Business never

1:29:58

necessitated that he had to get over

1:30:00

that grudge. Well, something we're never gonna

1:30:03

get over here on the show. I

1:30:05

mean, this is like a day one

1:30:07

something to wrestle question, but it might

1:30:10

be the first time I've gotten the

1:30:12

chance to ask you. John. Tex Mark

1:30:14

and I wants to know how big's

1:30:17

batiste. is Dick? How did this become

1:30:19

a deal? Well, there was a,

1:30:21

I won't say his name, Mikey from

1:30:23

Black Label Pro, but he used to

1:30:26

write in to CAFE commentaries when Sean

1:30:28

Oliver was doing shoot interviews and they

1:30:30

did something called the you shoot and

1:30:33

you could submit questions to YouTube. And

1:30:35

the question that came in from a

1:30:37

random reader, certainly not. Mikey from Black

1:30:40

Label Pro. He asked after a long

1:30:42

paragraph. So it might be like,

1:30:44

you know John in 2005 you did

1:30:46

a tour of Dublin and there was

1:30:49

a three-way dance on top and you

1:30:51

were in the main event. I'll never

1:30:53

forget you cut a promo that said

1:30:56

that Dublin is Britain's bitch and there

1:30:58

was a three-way with you and John

1:31:00

Sina and Kurt angle and Steve Austin

1:31:03

was the referee and when you think

1:31:05

back on that night... If you

1:31:07

could just take us back there and

1:31:09

as honestly as you can answer, how

1:31:12

big is Patista's dick? So he would

1:31:14

build up something like that and then

1:31:16

just take a hard right. And so

1:31:19

it's when I hit Bruce with the

1:31:21

first one and he didn't respond, he

1:31:23

just went quiet. We just let like

1:31:26

a minute of dead air go by

1:31:28

and then I said, you still

1:31:30

thinking about it? And people just died

1:31:32

and loved it. And now I have

1:31:35

to ask you because you were there.

1:31:37

I was there. Never props you want

1:31:39

to use? I mean you've probably seen

1:31:42

the thing in action. Let's get to

1:31:44

the bottom of it, John. How big's

1:31:46

Battista's Dick? All I can say is

1:31:49

he's a huge movie star. Hilton Burrell.

1:31:51

Yeah, they had, like Milton Burrell,

1:31:53

yeah, that's a freaking. Frank Sinatra level

1:31:55

movie star. The freaking, what, they tell

1:31:58

the river was the shaker, you know,

1:32:00

they used to call the Milton Burrell,

1:32:02

you know, the thing you'd have to,

1:32:05

you know, get the protein powder, yeah.

1:32:07

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I saw a thing

1:32:09

one time on A-rod and it was

1:32:12

some woman that claimed to have an

1:32:14

affair with him and she said, yeah,

1:32:16

he loved this. I saw a thing

1:32:19

one time on A-rod and it

1:32:21

was some woman that claimed to have

1:32:23

an affair with him and she said,

1:32:25

yeah, he loves sex. He's incredibly well

1:32:28

endowed. Wouldn't that be great if that

1:32:30

was the worst thing people could say

1:32:32

about you? Yeah, I like him, but

1:32:35

I just hang out with him anymore.

1:32:37

Too big a hog. You know, by

1:32:39

the way. Wait, what am I looking

1:32:42

at right here? The layfield lure.

1:32:44

Wait, you're like, this is real. Like

1:32:46

that's it was. Yeah, but I didn't

1:32:48

expect your face on a layfield lure.

1:32:51

Yeah. Wow. So this is the layfield

1:32:53

lure. That's the, I get my, that's

1:32:55

the skirt. That's the skirt on top.

1:32:58

That moved independently. You had the treble

1:33:00

hook in the back that was its

1:33:02

position where it is like it hangs

1:33:05

at a three quarter of an

1:33:07

angle. So it's a bit weedless and

1:33:09

then there's the spoon on the front

1:33:11

that bumps on logs and things and

1:33:14

keeps kind of we list the red

1:33:16

and white one about far the most

1:33:18

accurate and best best of all of

1:33:21

them. This is a real thing. Like

1:33:23

I thought because I'll be honest while

1:33:25

we were during the course of this

1:33:28

show I went to eBay. and

1:33:30

found a vintage layfield lure sign and

1:33:32

I already bought it. That's just going

1:33:34

to be delivered next week. Because I

1:33:37

was going to gift it to you

1:33:39

thinking, man, this is cool. Look what

1:33:41

I found. I can't believe it's real.

1:33:44

Motherfucker, you're still running this. You've still

1:33:46

got, like when you said you had

1:33:48

9,000, I thought it was leftover inventory

1:33:51

from yesteryear. That's a pretty damn recent

1:33:53

photo of you. What's going on here?

1:33:55

Figuring out how to make this

1:33:57

lure run exactly like the original that

1:34:00

my great uncles made, cotton and jester

1:34:02

made. And they figured out this lure

1:34:04

and the skirt on top runs

1:34:06

independently of the lure itself. It

1:34:09

moves opposite. So it's like a

1:34:11

wounded fish and this thing kills fish.

1:34:13

There's been nothing ever built like it

1:34:15

since. My uncles did this in the

1:34:17

back in the 1920s, the first lures

1:34:19

that they built in 1920s, 1930s, I

1:34:21

believe it was. And because my dad

1:34:24

was born in the Depression in the

1:34:26

1930s. But the problem was this lure

1:34:28

it costs a fortune to develop because

1:34:30

of the skirt on top of it,

1:34:32

because it's not a simple lure. So

1:34:34

Rapala spent a year developing

1:34:37

this thing and it's been a ton

1:34:39

of money developing it. But then as soon

1:34:41

as it got developed, they made

1:34:43

like 9,000 of them. It's ready to go

1:34:45

in stores. They have my picture on it.

1:34:48

I'm going to promote this thing. WDB is

1:34:50

giving me permission to promote this

1:34:52

thing as the layfield lure for this

1:34:54

my family lure. and didn't sell not

1:34:56

one, not one of them. They didn't

1:34:58

want to deal with wrestling. And, you

1:35:01

know, back then, wrestling didn't have a

1:35:03

good name like it has now. And so

1:35:05

they just said, what do you want to

1:35:07

do with inventory? I said, can

1:35:09

I have it? Yeah, we'll sell it to you

1:35:11

for a dollar piece. So I made like $9,000

1:35:14

for 9,000 lures. My God, what a

1:35:16

story. I can't believe that's real, man.

1:35:18

And there's also a top water lure