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that's one thing. Another thing is Summer

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Games Fest as well. Lots of goodies

2:55

to talk about this week. I don't

2:57

know if the information is good, but

2:59

I think the way things have been

3:01

moving has been good in an interesting

3:04

space. So I think let's get into

3:06

it this week with the 411. First

3:21

up on the four one

3:24

one is all about the

3:26

US president Donald J. Trump

3:28

botching everything that he touches

3:31

every which way every possible

3:33

way you could screw something

3:35

up This man is trying

3:37

to do it. He is

3:40

botching it every way that

3:42

you possibly can and you

3:44

know the section that is

3:47

here if you're watching us

3:49

in video form I labeled

3:51

this one Trump loves tank

3:54

controls because he is tanking

3:56

the US economy in ways

3:58

that have been unforeseen and

4:01

probably reminiscent of his first

4:03

term in 2020 and so

4:05

you know we are now

4:08

in in Trump too messing

4:10

it up Bugaloo in big

4:12

ways he has imposed tariffs

4:15

that are far wide far

4:17

and wide as of today

4:19

you know a couple days

4:22

ago and this is the

4:24

part is the problematic part

4:26

about all of this stuff

4:28

besides the economic anxiety that

4:31

is being put into the

4:33

space besides the economic and

4:35

instability that is happening through

4:38

these unreasonable and unfounded self-owns

4:40

that he is perpetuating through

4:42

these tariffs that he's putting

4:45

across the world which almost

4:47

two days ago were All

4:49

encompassing across the world, terrorists,

4:52

we're going to tariff everyone

4:54

up to a number and

4:56

a percentage that is going

4:59

to give us the advantage

5:01

to find a way to

5:03

bring manufacturing back and to

5:06

bring all those things back

5:08

to America. We have already

5:10

seen contrition and walkbacks and

5:13

failures and all of it.

5:15

already seen the walkback happen. The

5:18

funny thing as of today be

5:20

paused for 90 days across the

5:22

world except for China, which he

5:25

has imposed 120-something plus percentage tariff

5:27

on, and we're already seeing the

5:29

walkback happen. The funny thing about

5:32

all of this is his MO.

5:34

This has been the thing that

5:37

Trump has continued to do multiple

5:39

times throughout his presidencies. It is

5:41

so much so that we already

5:44

are calling it before we get

5:46

a chance to see the administration

5:48

maneuver and move on it. You've

5:51

seen this failure happen before, but

5:53

the problem winds up being that

5:55

for you at home, who are

5:58

a part of this American, if

6:00

you are listening to us in

6:02

America, a part of this ecosystem

6:05

in this economy, you are going

6:07

to feel all of it. All

6:09

the stuff, no matter who you

6:12

voted for, no matter what was

6:14

your political alignment in this thing.

6:16

We are all going to feel

6:19

the repercussions for the inefficiencies that

6:21

we wind up seeing and to

6:23

be fair ignorance that comes from

6:26

the White House with the work

6:28

that has been happening in our

6:30

economy. We've already seen multiple companies

6:33

try to figure out new ways

6:35

to circumvent or at least to

6:37

bolster their own work in how

6:40

they're going to battle some of

6:42

this stuff. And we're already seeing

6:44

companies now raising prices on certain

6:47

things. You know, we're gonna talk

6:49

a little bit about the switch

6:51

to pricing, but every company that

6:54

we've seen so far that has

6:56

a major exports, we've seen razor

6:58

back up and no longer say

7:01

that they're gonna deliver laptops to

7:03

the US while these tariffs are

7:05

happening. We just saw PlayStation Plus

7:08

announce and Sony announce that in

7:10

Latin American countries, what is it,

7:12

PS Plus is going to go

7:15

up in price. We are probably

7:17

going to see Microsoft go up

7:19

in price on Game Pass to

7:22

help regulate some of that stuff.

7:24

We will probably see something there.

7:26

And all of this is just

7:29

gonna be a problematic thing for

7:31

you. If you're a lover of

7:34

video games, if you are a

7:36

lover of technology, and we haven't

7:38

even gotten into all the other

7:41

things that he's proposed, you are

7:43

gonna have to spend an exorbitant

7:45

amount of. money to enjoy your

7:48

hobby and to enjoy the thing

7:50

that you usually go to to

7:52

distress you. The thing that is

7:55

wild about all of this is

7:57

that when you start to poke

7:59

at people's levers for entertainment and

8:02

things that you wind up needing

8:04

to push on or don't need

8:06

to push on because none of

8:09

these things needed to happen, you

8:11

then cause animus towards your cause

8:13

in a lot of different ways.

8:16

And again, it makes no sense

8:18

to put these tariffs, these retaliatory,

8:20

you know, tariffs on so many

8:23

of these countries, countries that don't

8:25

even have people on them. A

8:27

tariff, a space that had nothing

8:30

but penguins in it over the

8:32

past 72 hours. And to be

8:34

fair, there have been tons of

8:37

folks in the space who are

8:39

game lovers and game fans who

8:41

are who are championing this and

8:44

saying that this is a good

8:46

thing and that this is a

8:48

good thing that has happened and

8:51

we continue to see this notion

8:53

that we have been saying I

8:55

have been saying for many many

8:58

years over the past 10 years

9:00

of the show that you cannot

9:02

decouple politics from video games and

9:05

now we're in the the F

9:07

around and find out moment where

9:09

all of those things are coming

9:12

to pass in an actual way

9:14

And those folks are pretty quiet,

9:16

besides still championing the language that

9:19

they see from the administration, they

9:21

are not getting the benefits that

9:23

they supposedly thought that they were

9:26

going to wind up getting in

9:28

this deal. It is not happening.

9:30

It is not going to happen.

9:33

It's not going to be a

9:35

thing that is going to give

9:38

them what wins they were expecting

9:40

to get with this administration and

9:42

all of the anti-de-e-i wokeeness that's

9:45

happening. The only thing that's going

9:47

to be... Unwoke is your 401k.

9:49

Your savings, your investment. you know,

9:52

your safety net that you've built

9:54

for you and your family, the

9:56

things that are gonna be unwoker

9:59

is gonna be that. There's gonna

10:01

be all those pieces. Those parts

10:03

are gonna go away fast. So

10:06

if you have not been saving,

10:08

you have not found ways to

10:10

financially support yourselves or find some

10:13

stability in an already upside down

10:15

economic space, it's gonna be a

10:17

real hard time for you in

10:20

the next four years. I think

10:22

some of this stuff will get

10:24

pushed back on again. It always

10:27

does. I think. I think. The

10:29

folks who are in Trump's

10:31

pocket and in Trump's ear

10:33

are have seen a trillion

10:36

dollars come out of

10:38

the Investment market. We

10:40

have the S&P and and

10:43

the financial markets at their

10:45

worst levels that they've seen

10:48

in in a long time.

10:50

And that being the case

10:52

makes all of these things

10:54

even worse. So we wind up

10:57

seeing You know this language

10:59

excuse me this language

11:01

wind up popping up and

11:03

It doesn't actually have

11:06

a space to go to

11:08

it doesn't actually have a

11:10

maneuverability. It doesn't have an

11:13

actual space to land that

11:15

is if you look at it

11:17

reasonably Going to benefit

11:19

you in any form or fashion

11:22

so to connect that to

11:24

the gaming space the switch Switch

11:26

2, everybody was really excited

11:28

for. Everyone got up at

11:30

6 a.m. Pacific time to

11:32

go look at the switch

11:34

to announcement and was

11:37

really excited for it. And

11:39

then everybody saw the price and

11:42

was really upset and really

11:44

mad because they were like, oh,

11:46

that was not expected. The

11:49

company that usually comes

11:51

in under price in comparison

11:53

to the other two big

11:56

companies Nintendo and I'm sorry

11:58

Sony and Microsoft Right

12:01

now is pricing their newest

12:03

system basically at their console

12:05

prices while also Pulling back

12:07

on some of the tech

12:09

You're getting a new switch

12:11

to that has older technology

12:13

in it than the second

12:15

iteration of the switch You're

12:17

getting a LCD screen as

12:19

opposed to an Olet screen

12:21

there are some really good

12:23

changes in the way that

12:25

the new, you know, hardware

12:27

will be, I think it's

12:29

more sturdy, I think, you

12:31

know, the kickstand is better,

12:33

the different layers of things,

12:35

but me and the wonderful

12:37

folks over at DLC, the

12:39

DLC podcast with Jeff Kannada and

12:41

Brother, Spicer. You know, we

12:43

talked a lot about what

12:45

this looks like on their

12:47

show the other day, Christian

12:49

Spicer. looking at all of those

12:52

things and had a really

12:54

good discussion. I would say,

12:56

you know, if you're looking

12:58

for a much broader conversation,

13:00

a really in-depth one, go

13:02

check out my appearance on there.

13:04

But I think for me,

13:06

like, I'll remember and mimic

13:08

some of those sentiments. Yeah,

13:10

like... There are a lot

13:12

of things that are not great

13:15

about the switch to from

13:17

a technology standpoint. And I

13:19

think Jeff talked a lot

13:21

about them, like the camera

13:23

stuff is old and antiquated. And

13:25

even the folks from Nintendo

13:27

when when asked about it

13:29

said they did that specifically

13:31

to offset some of the

13:33

hardware benefits that are in

13:35

the piece of hardware. But you're

13:38

getting a crappier version of

13:40

basically video conferencing because of

13:42

it. And the price. is

13:44

basically going to be a

13:46

$500 device. And that's not even

13:48

determined yet because we still

13:50

don't know what the full

13:52

pricing is going to wind

13:54

up being because of the.

13:56

incoming terrorists that

13:58

that happened,

14:00

you know, uh,

14:02

today. Um,

14:06

and we'll see where that winds up landing. There

14:09

was a really interesting, uh, discussion

14:11

that was happening, or that has

14:13

happened over the past couple of

14:15

days when some folks from the

14:17

press spoke to members of the

14:19

brass over at Nintendo of America

14:21

and got some quotes from them.

14:23

Because I think a lot of

14:25

people when they heard the pricing,

14:27

they were like, Oh, well, this

14:29

is immediately a thing that we

14:31

can tie to the Trump tariffs.

14:34

Like again, like a lot of

14:36

these pieces of hardware are made

14:38

in multiple places across the world. Uh,

14:40

Nintendo specifically moved some of its

14:43

operations or at least this manufacturing to

14:45

Taiwan and Taiwan also got here

14:47

with a big tariff. I think that

14:49

has now been at least put

14:51

on pause. It hasn't been removed. It's

14:53

been put on pause for 90

14:55

days to potentially help stabilize some

14:57

of the markets, but that can

14:59

be erased at the whim

15:01

of a madman again. But

15:04

it was really interesting to

15:06

see what, um, Trump

15:09

talked about, or I'm sorry, not what

15:11

Trump talked about, what Nintendo brass talked

15:13

about when asked specifically about if the

15:15

terrorists were, uh, you know, moving the

15:17

needle in terms of the way that

15:19

this piece of hardware is going to

15:21

be priced. We haven't even talked about

15:23

the software going up to 80 bucks

15:25

for cartridges. That's a whole nother conversation.

15:27

But the folks over MPR

15:30

asked, uh, in an interview with

15:32

Doug Bowser, they said, some

15:34

Nintendo fans assumed that the Nintendo

15:36

switches $449 price tag accounts

15:38

for global tariffs. But after president

15:40

Trump's most recent announcements, could

15:42

this number increase in the United

15:45

States? Uh, Doug

15:47

Bowser says, Nintendo president, uh, he

15:49

says, what I can share is

15:51

the 449 price for the individual

15:53

SKU and then the 499 for

15:55

the hard rescue plus mega cart

15:57

world. Those are made based on

15:59

previous. tariffs, and there was no

16:01

impact from the previous tariffs on

16:03

those pricing. More in that pricing,

16:05

I should say, much like every

16:07

other company, I think the US

16:09

right now, we're in the process

16:11

of actively assessing what the impact

16:13

may be. We really have nothing

16:15

further to announce in regards

16:17

of pricing. So they said

16:19

also, what impact do you

16:21

expect the extra 24 additional

16:23

tariff, a 24% additional tariff

16:26

on Japanese exports? Oh, that's still

16:28

the same. That's 24. China has gone

16:30

up to 124. To have on your

16:32

business moving forward, not only for the

16:35

switch, but for everything that Nintendo America

16:37

sells. Doug Bouser says, as I mentioned,

16:39

we're just going to have to actively

16:42

assess what the impact may be, things

16:44

may change in the days ahead. So

16:46

we're just watching and trying to understand

16:49

what the impact may be and what

16:51

actions we may have to take afterward.

16:53

So, all of that to say. That

16:55

conversation has

16:58

changed a ton and

17:00

What that actually

17:02

means is So you now

17:04

have all of these discussions

17:07

happening you now

17:10

have all of these

17:12

maneuvers changing place

17:14

and you now have some

17:17

discussions here about

17:19

What does that mean

17:21

things moving forward?

17:24

And what that winds up

17:26

meaning is you now have to

17:29

adjust for those things in

17:31

a much bigger way because you

17:33

now have to deal with the

17:35

ideas that go along with

17:37

that. And what does that

17:40

mean moving forward for a

17:42

much bigger discussion around global

17:45

tariffs, what Nintendo

17:47

wants to do, and again,

17:49

like what Nintendo is trying

17:52

to do, changes. all the

17:54

time now because of the fact

17:56

that those discussions are now

17:58

different and If they were

18:00

already thinking about changing their pricing and

18:03

moving their pricing up, that changes the

18:05

way that I think Nintendo kind of

18:07

gets connected in those ways from a

18:09

fan perspective. Like I think folks in

18:11

the fan space are gonna be thinking

18:13

about this and being like, I thought

18:16

Nintendo were the folks who were gonna

18:18

be looking out for us in some

18:20

ways. Like I thought that they were

18:22

gonna be helping us to be able

18:24

to figure out what this means. And

18:27

what does that look like in those

18:29

grand schemes? Now that changes in a

18:31

big way, because I don't know now

18:33

if that price is gonna go up.

18:35

What does that mean for the price

18:38

of those things going up? And if

18:40

they do go up, what does that

18:42

mean for the future of everybody else

18:44

in the space? That definitely signals to

18:46

Microsoft and to Sony to potentially move

18:49

things up. We've already seen a fairly

18:51

large price when it comes to... when

18:53

it comes to the PlayStation Pro, but

18:55

with more hardware moving into the space,

18:57

conversations around games moving up to almost

18:59

$100 in some circumstances, everything is gonna

19:02

go up. And that means that everything

19:04

that's not made here is gonna move

19:06

and go up, and that means everything

19:08

else that is in the ecosystem from

19:10

supply chain to everything else is gonna

19:13

be changed in such a big way

19:15

because no one's gonna stop moving the

19:17

prices up. At this point That's going

19:19

to be the thing that's wild is

19:21

all this does is signal to people

19:24

to be like all right We got

19:26

to move the prices up again And

19:28

you're not going to move those prices

19:30

back down once they've set a new

19:32

a new bar for what those prices

19:35

are going to wind up being So

19:37

we're going to have to keep an

19:39

eye on this in a real way

19:41

and see what happens. See what happens

19:43

when? You know the next version of

19:45

these of these tariffs move, you know

19:48

conversations around games being super expensive and

19:50

now moving up again All of these

19:52

things are not good if you're if

19:54

you're a player of video games, you're

19:56

a player and a

19:59

person who loves technology,

20:01

everything is going to go up

20:03

and they're not going to go back down

20:05

for a long time, especially with the

20:08

way that Trump has been moving things and

20:10

the way that he's been honestly talking

20:12

about the space. And it's really this kind

20:14

of bully move that he's been trying

20:16

to do that honestly doesn't work. He's

20:20

not as strong as people are relating him to

20:22

be. It is not going to be a

20:24

thing where people are going to figure that out

20:26

and be like, Oh, well, Mr. Trump, United

20:29

States is going to just, you know, kowtow

20:31

to that and our countries are not

20:33

going to do that either. All it does

20:35

is make our ability to do stuff

20:37

even harder. So

20:39

I don't know where that's going to

20:41

go. It's not going to be very good.

20:44

It's going to be a very bad

20:46

thing to see, especially around Christmas time, especially

20:48

around all those moments when you're looking

20:50

to go buy that new thing and you're

20:52

like, I can't afford it. One, because

20:54

the job market is bad to I don't

20:56

have any discussion or income because now

20:58

the country is going to go into recession. And

21:00

I'm not going to spend any extra money

21:02

in spaces that I don't need to for

21:04

what people are. That's not the

21:06

way people spend money. People don't spend money that

21:08

they don't have for cool stuff and fun

21:10

stuff when you got to put food on the

21:12

table. So it changes a

21:14

lot of those discussions in a big way.

21:16

We're going to take a quick break because

21:19

I have a couple of quick things after

21:21

run and go do super fast. And we're

21:23

going to take a quick break about two

21:25

or three minutes. going to come back with

21:27

the rest of the stories from the 411

21:29

and what we've been playing right after this.

21:31

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23:01

compulsion games for south of midnight

23:03

south of midnight is getting fantastic

23:05

reviews across the board. It is

23:07

one of my favorite games of

23:09

the year. Please go make sure

23:11

you checking out our dope dope

23:13

dope dope dope review that we

23:15

got a chance to do a

23:17

little bit earlier in the month or

23:19

a little bit towards the end

23:21

of last month. I've been having

23:24

a blast with it. I think

23:26

again like it's dropping today if

23:28

you're watching the show live. It

23:30

is a fantastic noir almost Grim's

23:32

tale musical that is happening in

23:34

the deep south. I love the

23:36

game. I think it's beautiful. I

23:38

think it's stunning. I think the

23:40

artist fantastic. The acting has been

23:42

amazingly good and very very

23:44

fun. It is super cool. And

23:47

I think it's a game that you should

23:49

be putting on your radar and checking

23:51

out if you have not done so already.

23:53

I think that game is super good.

23:55

Like I think people who are fronting on

23:57

that game need to stop fronting on

23:59

that game. Huge shout-out to the folks

24:01

over on TikTok as well, who just

24:03

hooked us up with some loveliness there.

24:05

Linbo, thank you so much for the

24:08

love over there. Yeah, I think there's a

24:10

lot of stuff to dig into, but I

24:12

think if you really want to find out

24:14

my take on all of South of Midnight,

24:16

I think, go check out the review.

24:18

You know, I have some stuff

24:20

up on our TikTok and some

24:22

other places. You know, I think

24:24

those those those sentiments still rock

24:26

pretty hard. I've been playing it

24:28

on PC mostly and then played

24:30

a little bit on console and

24:32

again, like I think this game

24:34

is just brilliant. We're gonna have a

24:36

conversation with our friend who's been

24:39

rocking with us, you know, pretty

24:41

pretty often. and hanging out with

24:43

us getting in some really good

24:45

work there. So we're gonna have

24:47

a conversation very soon with them

24:49

around what we're gonna be doing. Sand

24:51

along who's been doing some fantastic work

24:53

in the space for a long time.

24:56

We're gonna have an actual like sit

24:58

down conversation with him to talk through

25:00

his feelings about the game as well

25:02

very very soon. And this one last

25:04

thing I do want to add to

25:06

the conversation around south of midnight because

25:08

I've been seeing a lot of sentiments

25:11

on my feeds about. You know, what

25:13

is this game? And this game

25:15

continues to be woke and, you

25:17

know, again, it's all the same

25:19

nonsensical ideas and thoughts from

25:21

people who aren't paying attention to

25:24

what this game is trying to

25:26

do. And two things come back

25:28

to me in this respect. I

25:30

find it really interesting that

25:32

whenever you talk about blackness,

25:35

that's a big problem

25:37

in gaming. I think

25:39

that's interesting. and continues

25:41

to be a unreasonable

25:43

discussion. And I think

25:45

the other part that winds up

25:47

kind of coming together through all

25:50

of this is, you know, when

25:52

you when you are discussing

25:54

this game and you're

25:57

having conversations with it,

25:59

the same. discussions come up

26:01

over and over and over again and

26:03

they don't really have a ton of

26:06

merit. I think I am very tired

26:08

of having discussions with people who don't

26:10

understand things. I am very very tired

26:13

of trying to dismiss the the idiocy

26:15

that we wind up seeing around also

26:17

mentioned so many of these conversations because

26:19

some of the folks who are bringing

26:22

up these things if you look at

26:24

the actual argument it really comes back

26:26

to This person is black, this person

26:29

is female, this person is trans, this

26:31

person is LGBTQ. This person, it's all

26:33

the same discussion. Oh, sweet baby, Inc.

26:36

made this game, so I'm not gonna

26:38

buy it, that means it's woke and

26:40

it's woke slop and it's silly. Like,

26:43

all of those discussions don't have merit.

26:45

And I appreciate the fact that people

26:47

continue to push back on it, because

26:49

I think it's necessary to keep the

26:52

space in a good, in a good

26:54

spot. You know a lot of these

26:56

conversations for me happen on Twitter slash

26:59

X because that's where most of my

27:01

followers are and it's where I get

27:03

the most hatred about my opinions about

27:06

diversity and inclusion and blackness and all

27:08

those kinds of things. And I don't

27:10

mind them because at the end of

27:12

the day like I understand that there

27:15

are people who are haters and that's

27:17

going to be a part of the

27:19

conversation. But I do think if we're

27:22

going to keep it fair. And we're

27:24

going to keep the space honest. In

27:26

the same ways that so many of

27:29

those folks who have for months and

27:31

months and months over the past, almost

27:33

a year and a half now, have

27:36

said, Sweet Baby Inc. is a terrible

27:38

place. There's a terrible consultancy firm. Everything

27:40

they touch is fails. And everything they

27:42

touch is bad. And everything they touch

27:45

is terrible. All of that kind of

27:47

stuff. Shouted Defated Furby for subbing to

27:49

the channel. For all of

27:52

those things, there are two games

27:54

that those folks have had their

27:56

hands on in the past couple

27:58

of months that have gone. out.

28:00

South of midnight that is getting

28:02

rave reviews from tons of folks

28:04

in the video game space and

28:06

lots of players at least on

28:08

my feet. And Assassin's Creed, accessory

28:10

Shadows which also went out and

28:12

had a fair amount of really

28:15

good press and a lot of

28:17

good reviews and all that kind

28:19

of stuff. So if we're going

28:21

to say that they are the

28:23

worst company in the world because

28:25

of everything they do and because

28:27

they talk about all these things

28:29

and diversity and all that kind

28:31

of stuff. You at least has

28:33

to give them props for the

28:35

two games that have come out

28:37

most recently that have been fairly

28:40

good and fairly reasonable and have

28:42

shown that whatever additions that they

28:44

brought to the table, because again,

28:46

consultancy firms don't drive the narrative

28:48

of a game, they don't drive

28:50

the game design of a game.

28:52

Those are built into all of

28:54

those places. And they add whatever

28:56

they are looking to add from

28:58

the needs of the companies that

29:00

they work with. Those folks bring

29:03

them in for very specific reasons

29:05

to be able to connect to

29:07

some of those discussions and add

29:09

to the overall, you know, narrative

29:11

bits that they've been asked to

29:13

do, whatever it may be. And

29:15

I want to say, give them

29:17

props. Like if you're going to

29:19

take all of this energy that

29:21

has been in the space for

29:23

all of this year. all of

29:25

last year and try to dunk

29:28

on that team for doing what

29:30

they've doing. And again, I fully

29:32

believe all of the stuff around

29:34

Sweet Baby has been falsified. I

29:36

think the arguments that have been

29:38

raised against them have been false

29:40

from the beginning. I still think

29:42

that all of the stuff has

29:44

been made off of bad Intel

29:46

and bad understandings and bad comprehension

29:48

of what Kim Belair. has said

29:51

in her GDC talk, and we

29:53

went over this to some episodes

29:55

earlier on Spawn of Me, I

29:57

think the way that people have

29:59

been harassed. from that team and

30:01

the way they try to safeguard

30:03

themselves from that. I think all

30:05

of those things have been well

30:07

documented and have been shown to

30:09

be made from bad actors who

30:11

are the same trolls that we've

30:13

seen across the world. So I would

30:15

say if you're gonna say that

30:18

that company is the worst of

30:20

the worst, we have to also

30:22

then say that they deserve some

30:24

props for adding whatever they had

30:27

to these two games that I

30:29

think have been extremely good. have

30:31

shown some interesting layers from conversations

30:34

around blackness and black history and

30:36

they've done those and they've

30:38

gotten pretty good reviews in

30:40

the games that they've gotten to

30:43

at least excuse at least in

30:45

these two circumstances I had a I

30:47

had a hit-up so I'll say that

30:49

if you're gonna if you're gonna

30:51

if you're gonna say all the bad

30:54

stuff at least balance it out

30:56

with some good stuff. People aren't

30:58

going to do that. People aren't

31:00

nuanced enough to be able to say

31:02

that out loud, but that's honest. If

31:05

we're going to, you know, tamp people

31:07

down and say that their work is

31:09

bad, but also not give them

31:11

props for the good work that

31:13

they do, then that's unfair. And

31:15

I believe in fairness and I

31:17

believe in new wants on this

31:19

show, so I'll say that for

31:21

sure. stuff that they sent over

31:23

in their care package with all

31:25

the goodies is the records and

31:27

all the other cool stuff that

31:29

they sent over from the folks

31:32

over compulsion. So massive love to

31:34

them. All the work that they

31:36

did. And shout out to Pico

31:38

Chalita as well, their community manager

31:40

for, you know, surviving

31:42

a amazingly rough year and

31:44

for sticking with it and for

31:46

compulsion for supporting her. And for

31:48

all the other community managers and

31:50

folks out here who are on

31:52

the front lines in the gaming

31:54

industry having to deal with all

31:56

these trolls being under compensated and

31:58

for folks who are probably not

32:01

getting paid with their worth for

32:03

all the work that they do dealing

32:05

with all the wildness that winds up

32:07

happening in the internet. It is a

32:10

thankless job. It is a job that

32:12

is a actual occupational hazard. I think

32:14

everyone who is a community manager and

32:17

a social media manager needs to get

32:19

raises because this is the worst the

32:21

internet has been. The internet is

32:23

at its absolute worst right now.

32:25

And especially in spaces that we all

32:28

have to do work to help to

32:30

promote the games that we're working

32:32

on and help to promote the

32:34

people that we want to promote in

32:36

the video game space. Those people, we're

32:39

talking about having conversations about raises

32:41

and union representation and all that

32:43

kind of stuff, you should be putting

32:45

them into those conversations immediately. Because all

32:47

of us have to go through

32:49

it and especially if you're black

32:51

and have any conversations or woman or

32:54

from the LGBTQ space Especially if you're

32:56

public facing You are getting the

32:58

brunt of all of it from

33:00

all directions and there are few people

33:02

who were going to help you and

33:05

that part kind of sucks, but

33:08

Everyone who's paying attention understands the value

33:11

that you have to the spaces that

33:13

you bring. And I will say as

33:15

one of the people who's doing that

33:18

work in my nine to five time,

33:20

I appreciate you. I think you're doing

33:22

a fantastic job. Keep pushing forward and

33:24

hopefully the people who are around you

33:27

are supporting you in those ways. Before

33:29

we dip out of the South of

33:31

Midnight Conversation, Bryce Jackson over at YouTube

33:34

says, just for Chapter 6, games presentation

33:36

is great, but that chapter broke me.

33:38

No doubt, there's some real hard themes

33:41

in that game. And you know, I

33:43

think that's the reason why I love

33:45

it so much. Like I think it's

33:48

not shying away from human suffering in

33:50

ways that a lot of games do.

33:52

Or at least they're doing it in

33:55

a very humane way, which I think

33:57

is really important. Last topic for the

33:59

401 is marathon information. is going to

34:01

be dropping this week, this weekend. A

34:04

lot of influencers have been playing the

34:06

game. They had an event very recently.

34:08

I did not get invited. I am

34:11

very sad that I did not get

34:13

a chance to go up to Seattle. I'm

34:15

not that far. Help your brother out.

34:17

Let me know. I'm down to co-place a

34:20

marathon. Check it out. But we're

34:22

going to finally get some new information

34:24

this weekend. from the folks over at

34:26

Bungee who were making this happen. You

34:28

know, we've seen a lot of influencer

34:30

packs go out. We've seen a lot

34:32

of, you know, ARG movement happen with

34:34

the ARG that they put out and

34:36

people have been solving and going through.

34:38

And all of those conversations are real

34:40

and no joke, you know, looking good

34:43

and sounding good. Sounds like people are

34:45

having a good time with it or had

34:47

a good time with it, at least from the

34:49

vibe of the room. No one's been able to

34:51

say anything because it's been under say anything because

34:54

it's been under NDA. I am very excited

34:56

to see what the team has put together

34:58

and what the future of this game looks

35:00

like. I think a lot of people were

35:02

worried about it. And for what it sounds

35:05

like, there is some good vibes in the

35:07

air about what this game is going to

35:09

wind up being and its madness. So

35:11

I'm, you know, new games come into to the

35:13

space are always good. It's always good

35:15

to be able to have new joints

35:17

rolling through. And it's always fun to

35:19

be able to see, you know, teams do something

35:21

different different. And I think a lot of folks

35:24

who are in the destiny community have been waiting

35:26

for this new title to drop or at least

35:28

some more information and we're finally going to see

35:30

what that is. And I hope it lands well.

35:33

I think a lot of teams need wins right

35:35

now. I think a lot of teams need, and

35:37

a lot of teams need, and a lot of

35:39

us also want to see new things happen that

35:42

are really exciting that we want to go and

35:44

check out and play and have hands on. So

35:46

I'm hoping. that folks in the industry hear

35:48

this and invite me up to go play that

35:50

thing too. Next time there's a space to go

35:52

check out the game at some point. All right,

35:55

let's get into what we've been playing

35:57

there to wrap up episode 544 of

35:59

the Simone podcast. Let's go check out some stuff I've

36:01

been playing. First

36:13

up in what we've been playing

36:15

this week, I am a huge fan

36:17

of pinball. I've been a pinball

36:19

fan since I was a small child.

36:21

When arcades were a thing back

36:24

in the day when I was thinner

36:26

and had hair and an actual buildings

36:29

were there that you can go play

36:31

video games and around other people. But

36:34

during TDC, I got a

36:36

chance to go check out a

36:38

game that I was really

36:41

excited for, which is Pinball Effects

36:43

VR. You remember the folks

36:45

from Zen Studios who for multiple

36:47

generations of consoles and hardware

36:49

have been making these true to

36:51

life replicas of digital replicas

36:53

of some of my favorite pinball

36:55

machines over the years. And

36:57

they've now translated that into VR

37:00

space. And I have to

37:02

say, having played it for the

37:04

past couple of past couple

37:06

of weeks, man,

37:08

this thing is cool. Like I'm

37:10

a big like I have cabinets that

37:12

I remember from my childhood and

37:14

from my from my youth that were

37:16

really fun to go through and

37:19

play. And I think they've done

37:21

the painstaking work. When I was talking

37:23

to the team, one the things

37:25

they talked about was the fact that

37:27

these tables,

37:29

these amazing pieces of

37:31

art that are there

37:33

are scanned in. They

37:36

go find these whole

37:38

machines. They break them

37:40

into their component parts.

37:42

They scan them to

37:44

get them into digital

37:46

format. Then put them

37:48

back together digitally to

37:50

replicate what these machines

37:52

feel like, the way

37:54

that the physics works,

37:56

the ways that those

37:58

machines would actually play in real

38:01

life. It is one of the

38:03

coolest things that I've ever seen.

38:05

They've done this really cool other

38:07

layer of it where, you know,

38:09

like those machines have art that

38:11

go along with it. You kind

38:13

of base them around an IP

38:15

or a character. And those things

38:17

are in the space with you.

38:20

So like if you're playing a

38:22

Star Trek table, you'll like you'll

38:24

see the enterprise around the table

38:26

flying across it. You're playing the

38:28

Adams family table. You'll see cousin

38:30

it and stuff like around the

38:32

table. And my favorite one was

38:34

the Night Rider table. which the car

38:36

kind of like drives around you, it

38:38

like goes into the back of the

38:40

truck. It does all this cool stuff.

38:43

What's also really dope is that besides

38:45

the fact that you have this kind

38:47

of virtual world that is in basically

38:49

an arcade that has other arcade games

38:51

in it like you can play pool,

38:53

I mean you can play darts, you can

38:55

play like what some of the other angles

38:58

and stuff that they have in there. They

39:00

had like darts in there. I think they

39:02

had like the kind of like guess. you

39:04

know, the spin the roulette wheel kind

39:06

of thing to get a prize kind

39:08

of stuff. What's cool about it is

39:11

besides all those things you can decorate

39:13

the the walls and the more, you

39:15

know, high scores you get, like you

39:18

can move things around and change the

39:20

way that the the arcade layer is.

39:22

But it also has a mixed reality

39:24

version where you can be in your

39:26

actual room. You hit a button on

39:28

the quest or whichever HMD you have

39:30

that shows you the space around. in

39:32

a space. And like, you're like, oh,

39:35

I want, you know, my coffee table's

39:37

here, but I want the table to

39:39

be on the other side of it.

39:41

You can do that, rotate the table

39:43

around. You have all these different angles

39:45

on the table. They have some really

39:47

fun campaign modes where you kind of

39:49

build out and decorate the room. It's

39:51

super dope. Like, and it's cool because like

39:54

close you get to the table, then the

39:56

sounds change, it gets more robust, all that

39:58

kind of stuff. I am. What I

40:00

love about what Zen Studios does as

40:02

well is that they price tables really,

40:05

really smartly. You can get a bundle

40:07

of tables. There's only a couple in

40:09

there right now. But when I had

40:11

a conversation with them, they were talking

40:13

about building that out. And they've already

40:16

had, like, if you play the normal

40:18

version, the non-viar version, they all have

40:20

like tens of tables, like, you know.

40:22

a multitude of tables at this point.

40:25

Stuff that they've made and then games

40:27

that are, you know, tables that we've

40:29

known from the pinball world, a lot

40:31

of Williams tables, a lot of those

40:33

kinds of things. But it's super fun,

40:36

like it's not expensive, which is the

40:38

best part of what this package is,

40:40

is you never feel like you're being

40:42

robbed when you're going to buy new

40:45

tables. The things that's cool is like,

40:47

all those new VR tables will then

40:49

be... you know, go along with your

40:51

account. So if you're moving from one

40:53

device to another, you'll still have the

40:56

tables under that in the VR space.

40:58

It does not translate from the offline

41:00

console versions to the VR game. You

41:02

will have to rebut tables there, but

41:04

the pricing is really, really competitive and

41:07

cheap. Like it's not, it doesn't feel

41:09

like you're going to spend in 10

41:11

bucks a table for those things. You'll

41:13

probably get like 10 bucks for three

41:16

tables or something like that, if I'm

41:18

not mistaken. So I love the folks

41:20

from Zen Pimball, from Zen Studios. I've

41:22

been a big fan of them, Zen

41:24

Studios. I've been a big fan of

41:27

their format, is even cooler. One of

41:29

the things that I did tell them

41:31

was, one of the hard things to

41:33

kind of figure out is like, You

41:36

know, if you're standing for a long

41:38

period of time, you're looking down a

41:40

lot, and that can be really taxing

41:42

on your neck. But they've also even

41:44

figured out ways you can play the

41:47

game sitting down, and they've figured out

41:49

ways to have, in the settings, ways

41:51

you can angle the table so that

41:53

you can be in a position that

41:55

doesn't necessarily mean that you have to

41:58

kind of lean down all the time

42:00

to be able to see stuff. Really

42:02

smart stuff. I'm so excited for this.

42:04

Like, I'm playing on a 3S. Shout

42:07

out to the friends over from Ball

42:09

to the Wall for fucking me up

42:11

with 3S. I really do. It really

42:13

does make me want a 3, a

42:15

Quest 3. Because the visuals, although they

42:18

are very smooth already, I got a

42:20

chance to demo it on a 3.

42:22

And just the visuals just look really,

42:24

really, really good. And the processing speed

42:27

on the S is a little bit

42:29

slower than it is on the 3.

42:31

But. All in all, having a blast

42:33

with it and getting a chance to

42:35

check that stuff out, it is really,

42:38

really dope. I'm playing a couple things

42:40

that I can't talk about yet that

42:42

are still in the mix. So we'll

42:44

have more conversations about those very, very

42:47

soon. I'm getting some time with Fatal

42:49

Fury right now. Also going to be

42:51

checking out, I think Indiana Jones on

42:53

PS5 and I think also. Horizon as

42:55

well. I think those are going to

42:58

be coming up very soon, so I'll

43:00

give some thoughts about how they play

43:02

over on the other platform. But there

43:04

are two games that I did want

43:06

to talk about before I dip out,

43:09

because I think that they are fun,

43:11

and I did get a chance to

43:13

play them, but just didn't get a

43:15

chance to talk about them of late.

43:18

So one is Clawpunk. And Clawpunk is

43:20

this kind of 2D action game that's

43:22

like, feels a little bit like Celeste,

43:24

but you are... featured as one of

43:26

nine cats and your objective is to

43:29

kind of clear out these stages and

43:31

get to the end, which has a

43:33

gate at the end. And it's super

43:35

fun. It's like all these modifiers and

43:38

cards are in the space where you

43:40

get a chance to maneuver through the

43:42

game and it's like an action game.

43:44

It's a platformer. It's all of those

43:46

things all in one. And the game

43:49

is really fun because you can be

43:51

really aggressive or you can kind of

43:53

just like maneuver your way down through

43:55

the map to get to the end

43:58

so that you can get to you

44:00

know the part of that. mission as

44:02

fast as you possibly can. It is

44:04

wildly fun. I had a small amount

44:06

of time with it, but I definitely

44:09

want to play more of it. I

44:11

definitely want to get a code for

44:13

it and check it out and you

44:15

should definitely try to wish list it.

44:17

I had a ton of fun with

44:20

it and it's like thrives on you.

44:22

being in a chaotic space like you

44:24

have a gun you have melee combat

44:26

you have some modifiers that they move

44:29

things around And the cats play very

44:31

very differently so they all have kind

44:33

of their own traits that you would

44:35

kind of go into each match with

44:37

the cool thing is like once you

44:40

build up a roster of cats if

44:42

you die in in one of the

44:44

runs you can then switch to a

44:46

different cat to kind of get through

44:49

and then when you're finished with the

44:51

like all of your roster of cats

44:53

dies in a run then you wind

44:55

to you want to losing on that

44:57

in that particular space. But if you

45:00

are looking for a game that's like

45:02

a number cruncher kind of game, like

45:04

that thing is dope. I've been having,

45:06

I had a blast playing it, I

45:08

want to play more of it for

45:11

sure. The other game that I got

45:13

a chance to check out was Pathfinder

45:15

Abomination Volts, which. was really cool. It's

45:17

like in the Pathfinder world, which I

45:20

am not very familiar with. So like

45:22

if you already have an affinity for

45:24

the World of Pathfinder, you're already in

45:26

its wheelhouse from the lower parts of

45:28

the story and the lower parts of

45:31

the game. But it's this kind of

45:33

top-down isometric game that felt really fun

45:35

to play because you're balancing out. this

45:37

really cool cooperative combat where you are

45:40

taking and swapping between multiple characters and

45:42

your four-person crew that are based on

45:44

you know members of the Pathfinder world

45:46

and each one of them has their

45:48

own traits their own kind of abilities

45:51

certain weapons their abilities to have certain

45:53

kinds of magic and in other you

45:55

know abilities and features but I would

45:57

I really liked was the fact that

46:00

this game is digging into the lore

46:02

and really paying attention to all of

46:04

the layers that go alongside that's like

46:06

when you're paying attention to and using

46:08

a character your choices and whether you

46:11

kind of talk through and have dialogue

46:13

have repercussions for the way that other

46:15

characters will you know engage with you

46:17

and how they'll kind of play around

46:19

with you in all of those things

46:22

so it winds up being something where

46:24

you have to really pay attention to

46:26

you know, how are you connecting with

46:28

those characters? How are you actually, you

46:31

know, you know, moving around and how

46:33

are you having discussions with other

46:35

characters and not only them, but

46:37

other MPCs in the world to

46:39

figure into that stuff? The vaults,

46:41

it's a vault game, you're kind of

46:43

going down levels to get to the

46:46

boss levels, and each one of those

46:48

has distinct biomes, has like, you know,

46:50

different chapters in the game, in a

46:52

lot of different ways. It's a lot

46:55

of fun. like being able to

46:57

switch between the characters, you know,

46:59

dealing with some of the combos

47:01

and all of that stuff. Like,

47:03

it just feels really interesting to

47:05

have a game like this in

47:07

the space that is not necessarily

47:10

what you would get from something

47:12

like Diablo, but feels, you know,

47:14

akin to some of those things with

47:16

more lore, more discussions, and

47:18

more co-op play, which is, which is,

47:20

I think, is the main driver for this.

47:23

It's like the good, the, the, the, The

47:25

co-op parts of this really do

47:27

make it feel extra special

47:29

in the way that you're kind of

47:31

playing this game. And yeah, I'm

47:33

hyped for it. I wanna play

47:35

more. Like I think, you know,

47:38

when you're playing games like these

47:40

in these ways, you wanna kind of

47:42

play around in the spaces themselves

47:44

and dig around and find out

47:46

really good ways to be able

47:48

to engage with it and finding

47:50

good avenues for fun. and you

47:52

know I need more time with

47:54

it because I think you know

47:56

I got a chance to play

47:58

the demos hands off. But now, getting

48:00

a chance to check out what I've

48:03

gotten to see, I want to play

48:05

around in that space more. I want

48:07

to explore and see what it's like

48:10

to kind of go down to levels

48:12

and potentially get to the boss and

48:14

fight those things and fight those things

48:16

and fight those things and do that.

48:19

We'll have more information about this game.

48:21

It's very kind of top level stuff

48:23

that we got a chance to check

48:25

out during time with it. But a

48:28

lot of that's going to be fun.

48:30

Alpha go check that out as well

48:32

still hunters Alpha has been really really

48:34

cool. I also got a chance to

48:37

play Wu Chang I forgot the name

48:39

of the full name of Wu Chang

48:41

What is it? It is? That game

48:43

feels a lot like Bloodborne. It's hard,

48:46

of course, but from a combat perspective,

48:48

from the way that the world is

48:50

built, from the way that you pass

48:52

through it, like that game felt really,

48:55

really dope. I think I have some

48:57

footage that I'll be putting up somewhere.

48:59

But if you had not gotten a

49:01

chance to check that if you were

49:04

excited for that game, you should definitely

49:06

be checking that out as well. Shada

49:08

to a Taco Man, 5,000 in the

49:10

chat, who says what's up, as well.

49:13

So yeah, we have a lot of

49:15

stuff to dig in through. I'm very

49:17

busy when it comes to games that

49:19

I'm playing and stuff that I can

49:22

talk about and stuff that I can't

49:24

talk about. But there are some really

49:26

fun titles in there that I know

49:29

all of you have been waiting for

49:31

and been excited to go check out.

49:33

And we'll have more information about those

49:35

because their embargers are probably coming up

49:38

fairly soon. So. We got that stuff.

49:40

I got more, more goodies coming in

49:42

the way, some more swag stuff that

49:44

came through, the folks over it, but

49:47

that's the sent over one of those

49:49

big dope doom helmets, so I'll put

49:51

that up on social as well. The

49:53

folks of eviction. sent over one of

49:56

their new fight pads, one of their

49:58

new fight pads, one of the new

50:00

fight sticks. So we'll be talking about

50:02

that too on an upcoming episode, a

50:05

spawn on me. So lots of stuff

50:07

happening for all of us here in

50:09

Chicago, and it's been, again, very, very

50:11

busy. So make sure you're checking out

50:14

all of our stuff across all of

50:16

the avenues that we have game conversations

50:18

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50:20

Tiktak, all of those things are going

50:23

to be putting out some more content

50:25

in those spaces soon and we'll have

50:27

potentially have some more conversations, some more

50:29

announcements for things that are happening before

50:32

Summer Games Fest as well. So Massa

50:34

loved everybody for coming through and for

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