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All right, I'm gonna keep this

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simple.

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Welcome back to Straight Up with Stassi. I'm

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Stassi Schroeder-Clark.

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Let's do this. You

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guys, I am ridiculously

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excited right now because I

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have bliss. Okay, now I'm gonna

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say your name and I want you to correct me if I say

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it incorrectly. Okay, I want to get this

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right. Porytasady Goitowski.

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That was pretty good. That was pretty good. It's

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decent. Porytasady,

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but that was pretty close. Bliss

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Porytasady Goitowski. Yes.

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I mean, it's

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really, that's beautiful. It's like, it's like a regal name, bliss. Thank you. Oh

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my gosh, I love it. I love Goitowski. I was so happy

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to add it on there. So yeah, it sounds really good

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with your last name. Wait,

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can I tell you something? So I

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accosted you a

0:59

week ago. I

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don't think you know this. I don't.

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Wait, what happened? Tell me. Wait,

1:05

I love that you don't know this. Okay.

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So a week ago, a little more than a week

1:11

ago, I think, we

1:14

were at LAX and I

1:16

had just got off the plane. So I spent

1:18

this whole entire flight

1:20

watching Love is Blind, like a fucking

1:23

maniac. Okay. I was

1:25

not even like taking breaths to like

1:28

sip water. Just like, I need to

1:30

get every episode. I need to get every episode. So

1:32

I think I had like just watched

1:34

five episodes. I get off

1:37

the plane. And then all of a sudden, my friend

1:39

Lo is like, wait, that's

1:41

literally Bliss and Zack in front of you right

1:43

now. And I'm like, no, it's, I literally

1:45

was like, you know, like when you've

1:48

just like, you've just spent five hours of your

1:50

life with someone watching them on your

1:52

screen. And then all of a sudden they're in front of you. I

1:55

literally, I didn't even think I like beelined

1:57

it straight for you guys.

1:59

Marshall was with you guys too, and I was like, you guys. Wait,

2:02

yes, yes, okay, yes,

2:04

it's coming back to me. I was so tired,

2:07

yes, I remember now, okay. Okay,

2:09

so I was just a maniac.

2:12

I was so excited. I think like

2:15

what I said, I was just like, you guys are, you're just like so

2:17

likable, and Marshall, you deserve some. I don't

2:19

even remember what I said, but when I

2:21

left you guys, I was shaking

2:23

for probably an hour after that. You're

2:26

just like. Shaking, I was

2:29

in the car on the way home,

2:29

and my husband was like, are you

2:32

still shaking? And I'm like, no, you're like, yes.

2:34

Like this is such a big, like,

2:37

see. Like, you know, like, I don't know, living

2:40

in LA, you like see celebrities all the time, but like

2:42

it's way more exciting to see

2:45

you. Like. You're

2:47

so sweet, oh my gosh, yes. I

2:49

don't know how I like forgot about that. I

2:51

was like coming off the reunion, like

2:54

it was just, it was a lot going on, but

2:56

that's so sweet. And like, I love when

2:58

people come up and like say hi and

2:59

stuff, you know, like it's fun, and I appreciate

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it. Do you ever get people

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coming up to you

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and saying rude or mean things?

3:09

Or is it, for the most part, everyone's really

3:12

nice? I would say like 99% of the

3:14

time it's nice. I've had

3:16

like one thing where someone's

3:18

kind of like rude, and I think it's where they like forget

3:20

that you're a human too, you know what I mean? They kind

3:23

of like dehumanize you, think you're kind of like this

3:25

character on TV, which I get that you kind of are,

3:27

but sometimes like one time so

3:29

far it was kind of like, oh, okay, that's

3:32

interesting. Well, I think it's only

3:34

happened one time to you because

3:36

you really are, let me, okay, I'm not trying to

3:39

blow smoke up your ass, Bliss. I'm really

3:41

not, but I do have to say

3:43

this, and I think you deserve to know this. Like

3:47

when I was watching you, first of all, you're my favorite

3:49

person to watch on Love is Blind. And

3:51

I'm like, what is it about her that's, that

3:54

just like I want to keep watching her scenes? And

3:57

I think it's like this perfect storm

3:59

of like. so many things about you where you

4:01

have this quiet confidence

4:04

and this quiet strength, like

4:07

you're forgiving but you don't let people walk

4:09

all over you and you just embrace

4:12

everything about you that

4:14

is you very unapologetically,

4:17

but not in a way that's like

4:20

bitchy. You know what I mean? I

4:22

think that that's just so hard to do. And I'm like, I hope

4:24

my daughter grows up to be like you. You

4:28

just are such a great person.

4:31

And I feel like more people should learn from you. I

4:33

wish I was like you because I

4:35

feel like I grew up in a time when it's

4:38

like,

4:38

to be strong, you had to be like bitchy.

4:41

And that's kind of what I always felt and

4:45

that's so not the case. And I

4:48

just think you're great. What is your advice for people

4:50

on how to be like you? Honestly,

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it really took me time to, you know

4:56

what I mean? I'm like get this way. It

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wasn't like something that happened overnight. I think I was definitely

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born just like from my mom kind of raising

5:03

an environment, like having grace and giving forgiveness

5:06

but I definitely had like lessons

5:08

I had

5:08

to learn like in my twenties and kind of getting

5:10

to this point of like, you know what? Like I

5:13

just get to stay true to myself. And I think

5:15

that that's the big thing. When you

5:17

stay true to who you are, like

5:19

that shines through, people can see that. And

5:21

so that's really like my biggest piece of advice.

5:24

Like whatever that is for you, like just

5:26

stay true to that. You know, and that kind of means

5:28

like, okay, a situation comes up where like someone's

5:30

really rude to me and I'm like, okay, like how

5:32

am I gonna handle this? Am I gonna like sink

5:34

to like their level and be like super rude

5:37

back? Or am I gonna kind of like stay true to

5:39

who I am and just be like, look, sorry, you

5:41

feel that way. That sucks. Like I'm good.

5:43

Like thank you for your feedback. Let's move

5:45

forward. So I really think that's the

5:47

key. You know what I mean? And like also like not taking

5:50

anything personally. Like if someone is

5:52

being an asshole to you, they

5:55

have some something going on in their life. You know what I mean? Like that

5:57

has probably nothing to do with you. So

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I think.

5:59

Such a good point.

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Stay true to yourself

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and don't take anything personally cause it's

6:06

not really about you. Yeah.

6:08

Totally. That's my mantra. So

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how has life been? I know you guys are coming

6:13

up on your first year anniversary. Guess

6:16

what? I got married three days after you. You

6:18

did. Not to be all like weird and like,

6:21

I love it. Oh my God. So

6:23

happy early anniversary. How has it

6:25

been? Like it's a year in like

6:27

normal life now.

6:30

Oh my gosh. Honestly, it's been the best.

6:32

Like I thought marriage, like I

6:34

didn't know if I wanted to get married in my

6:37

twenties. Like it definitely is one of those things where I had

6:39

to like, be like, okay, like do I want this? Like,

6:41

you know, my parents got divorced. Like I'm really like afraid

6:43

of divorce. And so I kind of was like,

6:46

okay, you know what? Yeah. When I was like maybe

6:48

like 27, 28, I was like, yeah, I think I do end up wanting to get married.

6:50

So marriage, I thought marriage was

6:52

going to be really hard. Like I thought it was going to be

6:54

like this really intense thing like every day or you

6:56

have to like fight to stay with the person that you're

6:58

with and like, but it's been

7:01

like really easy and fun. Not

7:04

to say that we don't have challenges like everyone does,

7:06

but it's just been like better than I like

7:09

ever thought that marriage could be.

7:11

And just the ability to just like be yourself

7:13

around someone and have them like fully

7:15

accept you is so priceless.

7:18

It's so amazing and beautiful. And

7:20

I love it.

7:21

I think you nailed it right there

7:23

because you know, especially like on TikTok, we like

7:25

see all these trends when it's like, it's like people

7:28

don't want to have a baby because like this is what's going to happen

7:30

to your relationship or just like relationship

7:33

scary stuff. I see all these videos and

7:35

I'm like, well, I kind of just feel like then

7:37

you haven't married the right person. When

7:40

you feel like you can totally be yourself

7:42

in a relationship, you don't have to change anything.

7:45

You don't have to be like, oh, I shouldn't have said that. Or I feel weird

7:47

doing this. Like that is freedom

7:50

and that's love. And that's like happiness

7:52

and peace.

7:54

Totally. 100%. It's awesome.

7:56

And I'm so glad that you

7:58

are somebody who is. a forgiving

8:01

person because all of us watching,

8:04

like

8:04

every single one of us was like, no

8:07

Zach, you're making a mistake,

8:11

but like we can see why you're making

8:13

this mistake. Like there are all

8:16

these games going on in the way that he was raised

8:18

in his childhood and all that, it's like you can see

8:20

that he just wanted to like maybe fix

8:22

someone. It's like you couldn't

8:24

even fault him for making that

8:27

mistake. Like, yes you can, but like it's

8:29

not, I don't feel like it's a reflection on his character

8:32

in any way and everyone

8:35

watching, I know, I

8:37

was just hoping to God

8:39

that like you would be somebody who

8:41

is forgiving because I know that that must be hard

8:44

to do. But like watching back,

8:46

there was a moment when you said, like, I don't wanna

8:48

feel like someone's second choice.

8:51

And I, like watching the whole time, like I

8:53

never thought that for one second. Like

8:55

you were always his first choice. You

8:57

just made a mistake. When you watched it back,

9:00

did you finally get to that

9:02

point where you're like, okay, I'm not his second

9:05

choice? And I think I got to it

9:07

like even before like watching it back, you

9:09

know, I think during our conversation, they

9:11

have to cut things obviously out, but

9:14

we talked when I feel like I got to that point, really

9:16

like in his explanation, you know what I mean?

9:18

And I think it was more of me just feeling

9:21

like I almost needed to say that just

9:23

to like be like, like, you know what I mean? Like stand

9:25

my ground, like I'm in, like

9:28

I don't need to be chosen, blah, blah, blah. But I

9:30

think you totally are right that like I

9:32

always was his like first choice. And

9:34

I was always the best choice, right? Like we

9:36

can't just totally meant to be together.

9:39

And that sometimes takes a different route,

9:41

you know, than maybe like you would want it to

9:44

or you would expect it to, but he came

9:46

around and righted his wrong.

9:48

And I've never ever

9:51

felt like second choice with him at any

9:53

point, you know, like our story is

9:55

about like second chances and he

9:57

realized it pretty quickly.

9:59

Yeah, totally. We all did. We

10:02

all did. We all did. Yeah.

10:04

Was there anything that you saw watching back

10:07

that like, then, cause I know what

10:09

it's like to be on reality TV, when

10:11

like you think you've resolved

10:14

issues or you think you, you know

10:16

everything that went down and then you're watching it back and you're like, wait

10:18

a second, so-and-so said this or, oh,

10:21

this is going to cause a fight with me and my boyfriend

10:23

or something like that. Was there anything that you watched back?

10:25

And it doesn't have to be with Zach. It could be with any cast

10:28

member that like, it stirred

10:30

something in you and then you felt like, oh, I have to

10:32

address this.

10:34

Yeah. Well, you know, not

10:36

with me and Zach, cause we talked like

10:38

detailed about every little tiny thing. So

10:40

like I made, you know, we talked about it so

10:42

much that I really kind of knew what happened. Obviously

10:44

it was hard to kind of see what went down in

10:47

Mexico and actually like see it come to life. But

10:50

I think the thing for me, like the whole

10:52

Amber scenario in the pods, like I

10:54

wasn't there in the lounge. Like

10:56

I was in the pods. And

10:59

so I didn't realize like that whole

11:01

scenario really had happened. And

11:04

so I had to like call Amber and kind of talk

11:06

to her and like check in with her on that and be

11:08

like, it wasn't like, it didn't cause a problem or anything like

11:10

that. It was just more that I didn't know

11:12

what should happen. So I just needed

11:14

to like make sure that she was okay. And be like, I just didn't

11:16

know this happened. Like I wish I could have been there for

11:19

you during that moment, but I was, you know, I was in

11:21

a date. So yeah. Can

11:23

we talk about what it's like to be

11:25

in, what do you call it like the women's quarters?

11:29

The lounge. The lounge. The lounge. So

11:32

like what is a typical day like? Like

11:35

what do you eat for breakfast? Is there like

11:37

somebody that you give a grocery list to and

11:40

then you guys like all cook in the kitchen or do

11:42

you post mates or do like they provide

11:44

you with meals? Like I'm very curious

11:46

about the food. They provide

11:48

us with meals. We can request

11:51

groceries. Like obviously you see me make cupcakes,

11:53

right? Like they got those ingredients you need to

11:55

make. And you just,

11:57

you arrive there in the morning, you eat your breakfast.

11:59

You arrive there? Oh,

12:03

wait. You arrive there in the morning. So,

12:05

or like when we, you know, when we walk into the lounge, obviously we're not sleeping

12:07

in the lounge itself, right? So like we

12:10

go into there and be like, you know, say hi

12:12

to... I thought that this was like one big giant

12:15

real world apartment complex. Oh, you

12:17

thought we were all like sleeping on those little couches? No,

12:19

not on the couches, but I thought that there was like a

12:22

separate room where like maybe there was like 15 beds.

12:25

And they were like, like Madeline

12:27

or something. Oh, yeah, that's

12:29

so funny. Yeah, we do have our

12:31

own beds and stuff, but in our own like rooms.

12:34

Is that in like a hotel?

12:36

I can't really like talk to the detail.

12:38

I'm sorry. I can't like talk to the self

12:40

behind the production and what happens. But

12:43

I will say that we spend most

12:45

of our day like with each other, right? Like

12:48

if we're not in dates, we're like in that lounge. So all

12:50

day long, we're together. That's

12:52

why like such close friendships like come out of it,

12:54

you know, because you're literally spending

12:56

so much time with these other women. But

12:59

yeah, there's like, you know, the fridge is fully stocked

13:02

and we pretty much can access like whatever we

13:04

want whenever we need it. So that's really nice. They

13:06

make sure that we're comfortable. Were

13:08

there like some people that would just like get a little too

13:10

wasted? Because I feel like that would have been me. I would

13:12

have been like, well, we're just sitting around here. Like

13:14

I'm going to drink wine. Then I would

13:17

have been voted off that island real fast. It's so funny

13:19

because like it's obviously there if you want it. But

13:23

like I didn't really drink. Like I think I

13:25

had like maybe one

13:27

or two drinks the whole entire time. I

13:30

was actually in the pod experience. Like

13:32

I'm just like not a big drinker than especially

13:35

when I have like I'm stressed out or like, you know, like I'm

13:38

here to like try to find someone like I want to be clear headed. But

13:40

you know, if someone took it too

13:42

far, that was like their own kind of like

13:45

thing in their own choice. I'm

13:47

surprised we didn't see more of that, honestly.

13:50

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16:05

So how does it work when

16:07

you're like, okay, you're going, you essentially start dating

16:10

everyone. Yeah. How does

16:12

the conversation go when you, you,

16:14

you're like, okay, well, we don't

16:16

need to keep dating each other. Is it like awkward?

16:19

Are you guys normally like in mutual agreement

16:21

or is it like, all right, no more

16:23

for me, like, have you, did you have any

16:26

awkward conversations? Yeah, there's definitely

16:28

was awkward conversation. Like ending

16:30

a, you know, a date or whatever, but

16:33

sometimes you don't really necessarily have to

16:35

have that conversation if you don't want to, because

16:37

you just cut people, right? Like at the

16:39

end of each day, you're cutting your list down.

16:41

You're narrowing it down. So sometimes if you just don't

16:43

want to have the awkward conversation,

16:44

you just don't put that person on your list and then

16:47

they kind of get the hint that it's like, you know what I

16:49

mean? Like it's kind of up to you. Like if you want

16:51

to, I think the respectful things to do, obviously, if you

16:53

developed a close relationship with someone is to

16:56

like talk about it and be like, Hey,

16:58

like I don't see this going anywhere. But

17:01

sometimes you can also just like cut it down because

17:04

you start out dating 15 people, then you cut it to

17:06

eight and you're just like narrowing down. So, oh,

17:08

I see. I like

17:10

this way better because I'm like having that

17:12

conversation 14 times is

17:14

like not the vibe. So

17:16

like at the end of the day, you can be like, these

17:18

are the people I want to see tomorrow. And then if there's

17:21

overlap, then they set you

17:23

up on dates. Exactly.

17:25

Yeah. Oh my God. Did you ever

17:27

have a bad one that you were like, I'm fucking leaving

17:30

right this second. Like get get the hell

17:32

out of here.

17:33

Yeah, there's definitely one where I was just

17:35

like, this is just not a vibe. Like this is

17:37

just not going to go anywhere because

17:40

we have like night dates. So like, you

17:42

know, you have your day dates and you have your night dates. This

17:44

person was trying to like close a night date with

17:46

me like a sale. And I was just like, yo, like

17:48

this is just not the thing for me. Like

17:51

I was trying to be nice about it. I was just like, you know,

17:53

like we'll see if we end up like talking

17:56

in our night date. Like, yeah, maybe

17:58

I have one slot left and I'm just like.

17:59

oh, well you should just keep exploring

18:02

your options. Wow.

18:04

Oh my gosh. And

18:07

so do they just provide you with these notebooks where

18:09

you guys write down like, okay, he said,

18:12

um, really likes baseball, uh,

18:15

loves sushi. Like what

18:17

are y'all writing in the notebooks? I

18:19

know. So day one, I feel like I

18:22

wrote a lot like their age and like where

18:24

they're from, like whatever was memorable about them,

18:26

you know, like, you know, like for Kwame,

18:28

for example, like he's a soccer player.

18:29

Like that stuck out in my head or like for Zach,

18:32

you know, he was a lawyer, just different things, like little

18:34

notes and stuff. But honestly, like after

18:36

day, like one or two, like I

18:38

didn't really, I just like doodled in it. You know, you don't

18:41

have to write it in. If you don't want to, some people like

18:43

had thorough notes and like

18:45

very detailed. And I just kind of was like

18:47

doodled and kind of like listened. Cause at that point I

18:49

kind of like knew who I liked and I just wanted

18:51

to like be in the present, but it's up

18:53

to you kind of how you want to use the notebook. I

18:56

love the freaking notebooks. Oh

18:59

my

18:59

God. So how long was

19:02

like your longest date in there?

19:04

Five hours. What? Yeah.

19:07

Yeah.

19:08

You do for five hours. You just

19:10

talk for five hours. You

19:12

talk, you play games, they you'll, you'll

19:14

give like plan dates. So

19:17

you can order different food or like, you know, like

19:19

Zach and I have like Pokey one night where

19:22

we, you know, did a little sushi date.

19:24

You can play games. They have like books and different music.

19:27

Sometimes you can listen to music with each other.

19:29

They'll have like a little beer pong

19:31

stuff set up, different questions. But

19:34

at that point, like when you're at things, that's like

19:36

way later on in the process. You

19:38

really have a deep connection with that person. And like,

19:40

you think like, how can these people fall in love and

19:42

then get married like in this short period

19:45

of time? And it's because like literally five

19:47

hours of talking is like a thing that happens

19:49

where you just go back and forth and you get like so,

19:52

so, so, so deep in things. And

19:54

you have like such a strong connection.

19:56

So

19:58

so after Zach, made

20:00

the poor decision that

20:01

we just won't even that decision.

20:04

How long after could you go home? Or

20:07

did you have to stay?

20:09

Yeah, no. They got me a flight

20:12

after we broke up. I think I was on

20:14

a plane within three hours. They

20:16

just let you go home right away. Because

20:19

you don't want to hang out there. I

20:21

had already broken off all my other people. I

20:24

was just go home. No,

20:26

I get that. But I don't know. Sometimes production

20:29

companies just like love to torture you

20:31

and just like demand like, well, we need to do like

20:33

five interviews and like a pickup. And like, maybe

20:36

there's somebody else you can actually see again. It's like,

20:39

no, Fred, I

20:39

don't feel like it. You know what I mean? They

20:42

let you go home. A lot of some people did just

20:44

want to leave early. And that was up

20:46

to them. And they just, yeah, they're really good about just

20:48

getting you home if you don't want to be there. So

20:51

it was nice. Are you allowed to say,

20:53

and if you're

20:54

not, it's totally fine. But like how it all

20:56

happened when Zach reached

20:58

out to you. Like I would imagine someone in production

21:00

reaches out to you to make sure you're OK with him contacting

21:03

you. Yeah, because he didn't have like my phone

21:05

number or anything like that. And

21:08

so he reached out to production about

21:10

it. And then they reached out to me. So there was no

21:12

like direct contact with me and Zach. The

21:15

first time you see us like me walking into

21:17

that, the coffee or the restaurant, like that was

21:19

the first time we're seeing each other. That was the first time we're having

21:22

any sort of communication since the

21:24

pods. OK, that makes sense. And

21:26

that's what I thought because so much scheduling goes

21:28

into filming that like it's

21:30

not like you and Zach could be like, hey, you want to meet

21:32

at this coffee shop? Like you can't do that. So I'm

21:34

like a producer had to have reached out

21:37

and told her. Like what were you feeling and thinking

21:39

when that happened? Were you like, I knew that

21:41

this was going to happen?

21:43

You know, I knew that he was going

21:45

to figure it out. Like I felt in

21:48

my heart that he was going to figure it

21:50

out. But I was surprised, right?

21:52

Like I didn't know what was going on.

21:54

I didn't know that they had broken up. I

21:57

didn't know. I didn't know what was going on

21:59

with them at all. And I was surprised. surprised at how quickly,

22:01

you know, the kind of he reached

22:03

out. But I was also, you know, and

22:05

I was apprehensive. I was like, you know what, like, I'm

22:07

going to give him opportunity to like,

22:10

talk to me because I did feel

22:12

so strongly about him. And I felt like truly

22:14

in my heart that he was my person, but I also I'm going to

22:16

give a little bit of a hard time, you know, I'm not going to make it too

22:18

easy. So I kind of come into it like

22:20

a little bit standoffish, you know, and

22:22

like, because that's the truth of it is

22:24

like, I didn't expect us

22:26

to necessarily get back together. You

22:29

know, I didn't like I was just like, look, I'm going to hear

22:31

him out. And I was a little guarded, but I was also

22:33

like, of course, like, so, you know, a little happy to see him.

22:36

Like, I was so curious. And so it

22:38

all worked out. Well, yeah, I saw an interview

22:40

that you did somewhere where you were like, you

22:43

guys saw each other for the first time. And it

22:45

was like, the

22:46

most magnetic thing ever.

22:49

You had all the feels just like locking

22:51

eyes for that first time.

22:53

Yeah, it was so wild. Like

22:55

you hear about those like cheesy things in

22:57

movies or like, you're like, whatever,

23:00

that is such BS. But like, no,

23:02

like, truly, that's what it was like. Like I walked

23:04

in the room and like I was like, how

23:07

am I going to know where he is? They're like, you'll just know. I'm

23:09

like, OK, whatever. So I walk in and like

23:11

our eyes just lock. And it was literally

23:13

like fire like Matt,

23:16

like the whole world disappeared, like so

23:18

dumb and cheesy to even like say no,

23:20

it's just so great. Yeah,

23:23

like that was it was. One of

23:25

the most intense experiences ever.

23:27

Like people are like, you didn't have a reveal. And I was like,

23:30

we kind of did. And it was in public, which is like

23:32

even more. Totally

23:35

all around. But it was truly like

23:37

a magical

23:38

moment for sure. And I'm trying to like repress

23:41

my smile because again, I was like, I'm going to

23:43

come in here like, you know, I'll let them all hear him out.

23:45

But like, so it's just it was really it

23:48

was really crazy. And I just love that you

23:50

guys have so many weird things in

23:52

common, like your first dance song,

23:54

Owls, first of all, my daughter,

23:56

OK, fun fact is like obsessed

23:59

with owls.

23:59

She's two, but it's like

24:02

all she talks about, it's all she wants to

24:04

play with. She is owl

24:06

obsessed. So when I saw that you guys had

24:09

like a thing for owls, I'm like,

24:11

they are so meant to be. Again,

24:15

it's like, I love how you guys just, both

24:17

of you fully embrace who

24:19

you guys are individually.

24:22

And you guys don't run from that, hide

24:24

from that. It's like, and not in an obnoxious

24:26

way, where it's like loud and proud

24:29

of like, this is what I like. It's just like there's this

24:31

quiet

24:32

confidence with you guys that's just

24:34

so like, I want that.

24:36

I think I just like, when I try and be confident, I'm

24:39

just like a little too loud about it. I wanna be more like

24:41

you.

24:43

You know what? Confidence looks like all

24:45

sorts of different things and there is totally nothing

24:47

wrong with that. I like yours better.

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26:57

Can

26:57

we talk about Cupcake Gate

27:00

for a little bit? Yes, let's

27:02

talk about it. Girl,

27:04

you handled this so well. Like when

27:06

I tell you, I was in my flight

27:09

chair, my plane chair, and

27:11

Irina

27:11

comes up to you

27:13

asking for a fucking candle.

27:15

And I'm like, no, no. And I was like, Bliss

27:18

is going to give it to her. Like I know she's going to give it to her. I

27:20

know she's going to give it to her. And

27:23

then you didn't. I

27:25

wanted to stand up in that plane. Round

27:28

of applause. You handled it

27:30

perfectly. You weren't rude. You

27:32

weren't aggressive. You were just like, honestly,

27:35

like, I think that's kind of weird that you

27:37

asked me that and it makes me feel uncomfortable.

27:40

Like, no. And it's like,

27:43

fuck, Bliss, you handled that so

27:45

perfectly. Like, where's your heart

27:47

just like beating out of your chest? You know,

27:49

I, you know, I did think about giving

27:51

her a candle. I was like, maybe I should, but

27:54

the reason I did it is because earlier that

27:56

morning we had had, I had come up

27:58

to her off camera and this was like, the

28:00

multiple times that I had done that had this

28:03

conversation. You see the conversation

28:05

before Zach and I end things where I'm like,

28:07

can we just drop this? This

28:10

is not a competition for me. Like you

28:12

do you, I'll do me, it'll

28:15

all work out as it's supposed to. Let's just

28:17

have mutual respect and not bring him up and not

28:19

talk about it. So that morning I

28:21

had asked her to do

28:23

that and she had agreed. That's why

28:26

I didn't give her the candle. Like

28:28

if that hadn't happened and we hadn't

28:30

had that whole conversation and there wasn't all this drama,

28:33

sure have a candle. But it was more like I

28:35

had drawn a boundary with her and she was

28:37

over that boundary. So I needed to be firm with

28:40

that boundary and just not

28:42

give it

28:42

to her. Boundaries, man. I

28:44

preach about this shit all the time. Like boundaries are

28:46

your best friend. Use them. Yes.

28:50

So then I was also in this interview I was watching

28:53

of you, you talked about how when cupcake

28:55

gate happened, then she started using

28:57

your ingredients to make a

28:59

grilled cheese.

29:00

Which so that yeah, we did

29:02

not get to see that would have been wonderful, amazing

29:05

television. I feel like I would have been

29:07

happy if you could see that because you could see why

29:09

I was so like, no, I'm not going to

29:11

give you a candle because it happened before she asked for the

29:13

candle. So because yeah,

29:16

so the ingredients for me and she started using

29:19

them to make herself

29:21

a girl's trees and God, you know, bless her heart.

29:23

Like I hope that she she suffered so

29:25

much already from all the backlash with all this. Like

29:27

I hope she's just like can move on and heal

29:30

and become better. But yeah,

29:32

so that's why I reacted so strongly

29:35

about her asking for

29:37

the candle because she had used ingredients. They

29:39

then had to go get me more ingredients. And

29:41

I was just like, that's for I'm making cupcakes.

29:44

And she's like, oh, I want a grilled cheese. I was like,

29:46

oh, my gosh. Like, OK.

29:50

Oh, my gosh. I would have I

29:52

don't know how you handled that in such a calm way. Like

29:54

if I were to be making cupcakes for my boyfriend,

29:57

that someone else is dating.

29:59

Okay, and this girl comes

30:02

and swoops in and says, I really want a grilled

30:04

cheese and just demands

30:06

the ingredients to make a grilled cheese.

30:09

First of all,

30:10

what ingredients do you need to make a grilled cheese?

30:12

Like that's, am I making grilled cheese better? The

30:15

butter and

30:17

the eggs were scrambled for, I

30:19

don't know if it was a part of the grilled cheese or

30:21

like on the side or whatever, but I was just

30:23

like, oh my gosh, like

30:26

that's that moment where it's like, okay, like I'm

30:28

not gonna take this personally. This isn't

30:30

about me. I'm gonna like

30:32

hold myself like to my own standard,

30:35

practice what I preach, take a deep breath,

30:37

go ask for more ingredients and just move

30:40

on. So. No, totally.

30:42

So when you guys were in the

30:44

lounge, Yes.

30:47

Watching it back, you can see like all of the cattiness

30:50

and stuff, but did it feel like that when

30:52

y'all were in it?

30:54

There were moments of that for sure,

30:56

but like I'm happy to say that overall,

30:59

it was honestly like a really good

31:01

experience. Like it honestly, most of

31:03

it was really it was a lot of camaraderie, there was a lot

31:05

of bonding, there was a ton of laughing.

31:08

I'd say that there was probably less, like

31:10

you don't get to see that side of it as much just cause there's

31:12

not enough time to show everything, but it wasn't,

31:15

there wasn't always tension in the lounge. You

31:17

know, like a lot of it was a lot of fun and

31:19

just like playing around, so. Like

31:22

how often were you guys spending time

31:24

with each other on a daily basis, like

31:26

in there? A lot, a lot. Majority

31:29

of our day, so we'd have like usually like,

31:32

I don't know, it kind of depends on how many people you were dating

31:34

and at what point in the process, but when you weren't

31:36

in a date, you were in the lounge. So all

31:38

day long, you know, like you were basically living

31:41

in that lounge, so 12, whatever

31:43

hours a day, you're with these other women

31:45

when you're not on a date. So it was

31:48

a lot. Well, can you hear them talking

31:50

about their dates? Like, could you hear Irina talking

31:52

about her dates with Zach? And you

31:54

just like. Yeah, there are, you kind of like overhear

31:56

it because it's just like there's not that much space,

31:59

right? And it's more. more of just like, you

32:01

just kind of like got to stay in your own mindset

32:03

and your own bubble and go read

32:05

a book or do whatever. And a lot of times

32:07

like when you know, if you're dating the same person,

32:10

like you're in the lounge the opposite

32:12

time, right? So like, you know, she would be

32:14

in the lounge or someone else that I was, you know, some

32:16

similarly dating would be in the lounge while I would be in a date

32:18

with that person. So sometimes there wasn't a ton

32:21

of crossover with particular

32:23

people.

32:24

That makes sense. Yeah. Okay.

32:28

So like, you know, you guys

32:30

were all like together in one spot.

32:34

So like, I imagine that like you

32:36

are like besties with a

32:38

lot of people now. Like I see that you guys are doing couple

32:40

things with some of the other couple and you're like really

32:43

good friends with Amber.

32:45

I love Amber. I love

32:47

Chelsea. I love Tiffany. I mean,

32:49

I feel like I was pretty close to most

32:52

of the women in the lounge. Yeah, for

32:54

sure. So it's awesome. You just get it's so

32:56

cool. Like as an adult and like as women,

32:58

it's hard to make friends, like new friends sometimes,

33:00

you know? Yeah. And

33:03

so like this really cool moment where I got to make a lot of new girlfriends,

33:05

which was awesome. No, 100% bliss. Let

33:07

me tell you the older you get, you think it's

33:09

hard now. How old are you?

33:11

Oh, I'm only 34. I

33:14

love when like I'm talking

33:16

to someone and

33:17

I think I'm just like so

33:19

much older. They're like,

33:22

like, just wait till you get to be my age. It

33:24

gets even harder to make friends. Seriously,

33:27

it does. And then if having children

33:29

is something that you guys want to do once that

33:31

happens. Oh my God. It's

33:34

like it's the pool of people

33:37

to choose from because you just

33:39

like have no free time left and like if you do every

33:41

time a person has to hang out with your kid. Sorry,

33:43

I didn't mean to like go on rambling. I

33:46

love it. Hard

33:48

it is to make friends. So

33:51

looking back on on the whole

33:53

show, were there things that you filmed

33:56

that you're like, Oh man, I wish

33:58

that made it.

33:59

It could be like something, you're like, this was such a good, a

34:02

great moment, a lovely moment, or like, this

34:04

would have explained why I'm saying

34:07

this or why I'm feeling this or

34:09

doing this.

34:10

Yeah, I definitely think like the

34:12

cupcake part, like the full story of that

34:14

would have been good

34:16

because when I'm watching it, I'm like, oh my gosh, my reaction

34:18

seems so harsh, you know? It's not

34:20

though, Bliss, like what was harsh about that? God,

34:23

if you were to see me, someone would have asked

34:25

me for the damn candle. I'm like, are

34:27

you crazy? That's probably what I would have said. Are

34:29

you crazy? I know what you're doing.

34:32

You're trying to sabotage this right now. You're

34:34

trying, you forgot his birthday. And so you

34:36

want a candle so that you can look good and you're coming to get

34:38

a candle from me when I'm the one who actually

34:40

cared. I would have been so unhinged.

34:43

You were so level-headed about it.

34:45

Well,

34:47

good. I thought I seen no, because I was like, oops,

34:50

that would have been better to have the full story there.

34:52

And just like, honestly, a lot of me and Zach's dates,

34:55

you know, like a lot of them seem so deep

34:57

and intense and they were, but we also like had

34:59

so much fun, like just laughing

35:02

and playing and like hanging out. I

35:05

think all the couples probably kind of feel that way,

35:07

like more of our dates, you know, because it seems so

35:09

fast, like when you're watching it, you're like, whoa,

35:12

like how are these people like in love already and getting

35:14

married and engaged? And there's just like so

35:16

much, and they can't show everything. It's just impossible.

35:18

And people probably would stop watching if they showed a five-hour

35:21

date. You know what I mean? It's a little long. No,

35:23

of course.

35:23

Yeah. Were

35:26

there any other moments, like in the women's lounge

35:28

where you're like, that girl was mean to me?

35:31

You know, I really don't remember anything in particular

35:33

that

35:37

standing out where someone was super mean to me. Like

35:39

again, like most of the time,

35:42

everyone was super, super nice. There were

35:44

obviously those scenarios where maybe certain people

35:46

acted in certain ways kind of consistently, but

35:49

I really tried to keep myself apart from it.

35:51

Like if I felt like something was turning

35:53

dark or weird, I would just kind of

35:55

like walk away from it and like- How? Where

35:57

did you go? There's nowhere to go. There's

36:00

a multiple different couches and there's the

36:03

bar area and the kitchen. And then there's another

36:05

area where there's a little kind of fireplace

36:07

and a sitting area. So it's all in one big open

36:10

room, but it's pretty spacious. And

36:13

I think body language too, I could just be

36:15

like, okay, I'm just feeling not talking about

36:17

this or I'm gonna change the subject or I'm gonna

36:20

go over to another group of girls and start talking.

36:22

But honestly, beyond what you see, there

36:24

really wasn't that much cat-iness.

36:27

It really was just like condensed to a couple of people.

36:31

Really? So do you think that they made it seem

36:33

worse than it was? I

36:35

don't know if you're allowed to talk about that, but like. No,

36:38

I don't. For that part

36:40

of it, I think that that was like a pretty good

36:42

representation of like what was actually

36:44

going on. Like obviously not everyone

36:47

was mean all the time, right? Like obviously

36:50

Micah and Irena have different sides to

36:52

them that are really sweet and kind. And I definitely

36:54

wanna make sure that that's acknowledged. But

36:56

I don't think that it was exaggerated.

36:59

Have you seen, this

36:59

isn't me being like subtly

37:02

like digging, but like have

37:05

you personally seen the kind sides

37:07

of Irena? Because like we've

37:10

been able to see that side of Micah.

37:13

We've been able to see, viewers have been able to see that. But

37:15

viewers haven't

37:16

been given a chance to see

37:18

that side of Irena. And even like

37:21

watching the reunion, it's like,

37:23

yeah, you see a little bit of vulnerability there but

37:27

are you for real when you're apologizing?

37:29

Like do you realize like kind

37:32

of how awful you've treated people? Like has

37:34

she actually been

37:37

kind to you or are you just being nice right now? No,

37:40

I think so like when we, I remember

37:42

when we landed at the airport, she came up

37:44

to me and she like was like, you are

37:46

so sweet, like I'm just so drawn to your energy.

37:49

And. But what? I would have been

37:51

like, but that's not how you treated me in the women's

37:53

lounge. And it wasn't. And I think like

37:56

when tensions are really high or someone feels

37:58

like maybe she was looking at it. as a competition.

38:01

I can't speak for her, but

38:03

maybe that's how she felt. And she felt

38:05

like she needed to put other people

38:07

down or step

38:09

on people to get what she needed. And

38:12

I really don't know. But I will say that

38:14

I do believe that she has the kindness to her.

38:17

And I did see that in the beginning

38:19

before things started to turn once people started

38:23

dating the guys. Because there's days

38:26

where we

38:26

are just hanging out with the girls when we first arrive in LA and

38:28

all of that. And I think

38:31

that every single person on this planet,

38:33

now it might be a small percent of their personality

38:35

that's kind, but every person I truly

38:38

believe has kindness in them. And I know

38:40

that she does. I think that she needs

38:42

to practice more in letting that out.

38:45

And I really do wish for growth

38:48

for her. But yeah, I would definitely say she

38:50

has a kind side to her that I have seen.

38:53

I can, OK, that's really big

38:56

and

38:56

awesome of you. I was trying

38:58

to give her more changes. And I obviously

39:01

like, who am I to even judge?

39:03

Do you know what I mean? Who are any of us to really

39:05

judge? But it was like when she went

39:08

on to Paul,

39:10

Micah's dude,

39:12

that I was like, what's

39:14

one thing after the other? And this is

39:16

something that like, this is your girl.

39:19

Micah's your girl. This feels now

39:22

unforgivable. Are they

39:24

still friends?

39:25

They are. They're actually really close. They're

39:28

good friends. Yeah, I don't really know.

39:30

I don't really spend time with them. So I don't know

39:33

what the ins and outs of their friendship is. But

39:35

I do know that they're still friends. And I

39:39

think for Irena, it was probably

39:41

really embarrassing for her to have all

39:43

of this out there in the world. Of course. Cool

39:45

that Micah was willing to forgive her.

39:48

And you know what? And I will say, I think

39:51

Zach's the one that said this at the reunion,

39:53

where he's like, they're being

39:55

punished enough already. And I think

39:57

just the point is that we're

39:59

went out. Sorry. Can

40:02

you know? Yeah, I know you have to wrap

40:04

it up in like two minutes. So I will

40:06

I will

40:07

finish this up. I know

40:10

he said, I think more people who watch

40:12

shows like this

40:14

should recognize that that like,

40:17

having everyone see like the darkest

40:20

and ugliest sides of you and have an

40:22

opinion about it. That is punishment

40:25

enough. Like, it's really

40:28

hard. And sometimes that drives people

40:30

to like really sinister

40:32

self destructive thoughts. And I feel like we're,

40:36

we need to be like, just just

40:38

a little more aware of that. And so it's like, I,

40:40

I don't want to like focus too much

40:42

on Irena. Because like, I get it does feel like piling

40:45

on. But yeah,

40:46

you did say something

40:49

that this is something that I would have said, like in the

40:52

pods, you when you were confronting Zach about

40:54

him dating Irena at the same time, you were like, I would

40:56

just, and

40:58

I'm summarizing it. So this isn't exactly how you

41:00

said it. But you were like, if

41:02

you are interested in her

41:04

and you want to be with her, then

41:06

like that just makes me question you

41:09

because if like, that's

41:11

what you're into then like that, would

41:13

it make

41:14

sense for me and I like that makes so

41:16

much sense. And I would say something like

41:19

that. I feel like that's the way my brain thinks.

41:22

How long did it take for you to like,

41:25

get past that?

41:28

Like the past that like he chose someone that

41:30

it's like, that you've

41:32

seen her personality

41:35

like in and how she treats people like this is

41:37

what how do you reconcile

41:39

that?

41:40

Yeah, that's such a good question. So

41:42

a couple things. The first I would say is like,

41:44

I didn't give him really any

41:47

information about what was happening. I said,

41:49

see things that aren't good. And

41:51

I kind of left it at that I never wanted

41:54

to give him details or tell

41:56

him what was going on to try to manipulate

41:58

him or try to like make him pick me because

42:01

I'm telling him all these bad things she's

42:03

doing. And in our dates in general,

42:05

like I didn't want to talk about the other girls because to me

42:07

it wasn't about that. Yeah. That

42:10

was a moment of me kind of being a little bit

42:12

angry and maybe not the most gracious version

42:14

of myself by being like, look,

42:16

like I will judge your character

42:19

if you pick her. He

42:21

was being shown a completely different person.

42:23

You know, when you're in the pods, you can be whoever you want.

42:26

There's no one else there to kind of be like, that's

42:28

not true or this is that. So I

42:30

think that she genuinely was showing

42:32

him a completely different person.

42:35

And we've actually talked about that, you know, when he gets out

42:37

of the pods, like he's like, who is this? You know,

42:39

like this is a completely different person than what I saw.

42:42

And maybe I should have told him the details of what was going

42:44

on. Maybe I should have. And I

42:46

feel like he would have had a bigger picture. Cause

42:48

probably part of him is like, why is she saying this? Like

42:51

she's not giving me details. She's saying she's not

42:53

seeing good things. But like, what does that mean? You

42:55

know, so that's really kind of what all of that was

42:57

about. And it

42:59

was really easy for me to kind of reconcile cause it's

43:02

like, okay, like I didn't tell you what was going on. And

43:04

then after, even after we got married, I finally

43:06

told him like everything that actually happened,

43:09

right? Like in the lounge and stuff. So that

43:12

it was not, I definitely want to take accountability for

43:14

that. Like me being, being probably not

43:16

very fair in saying that to him

43:18

without giving him all the information. And also,

43:21

but you know what? We've all seen shows like

43:23

The Bachelor and you know what happens when

43:25

girls try and tell the other

43:27

guy, like this girl, this is exactly what

43:29

she's doing. That girl gets sent

43:31

home. It's like you push them farther into that

43:33

person. So

43:38

I think you handled it well. And that

43:40

was a fair thing to say. I

43:42

think everyone would

43:44

feel that way in that

43:46

situation. And while like it might seem

43:48

like harsh or maybe,

43:51

I don't know. I just think that if anyone were to be

43:53

in your position and they see how the other woman

43:56

is treating people, anyone

43:58

would want to say that. Anyone would feel that way.

43:59

that way. So like

44:01

he had seen if he had seen

44:03

everything she was doing, like if there was a way for him to

44:05

peep in to see holistically how

44:07

she was acting, what she was doing, that would have been a totally

44:10

fair thing for me to say, right? Like, because then

44:12

he would actually know what she was doing. And

44:14

I didn't know she was behaving in his states.

44:17

Like I was like, because I guess I didn't think that someone

44:19

would be that like misleading,

44:21

I guess, you know what I mean? That someone would truly

44:24

act so differently and I

44:26

don't know. So yeah.

44:27

Well, before

44:30

I let you go, I wanted to just ask

44:32

you if you and

44:34

Zach and if any of the others want to do this,

44:36

I would love for you guys to film a like,

44:39

this is our reality show and this is what life

44:41

is like now. Like would you guys

44:43

do that?

44:45

Yeah, of course. I

44:47

mean, what's next for you guys? Like

44:49

are you just enjoying married life? You want to keep

44:52

it quiet?

44:54

I think that Zach will

44:56

never be one to keep it quiet. He's

44:58

a very poor post. He's a lawyer. He's

45:01

so passionate about things. And I think next

45:03

for us is like, to continuing to use

45:05

our platform to like put goodness out into

45:07

the world. You know, like I think like our

45:10

story is such a unique

45:12

one. It truly is one of like forgiveness

45:14

and second chances. And that's something that Zach

45:16

is really passionate about. That's something that

45:19

I'm really passionate about. So just like continuing

45:21

to give back goodness to the world. And if that

45:23

means like a reality TV show, what we're going

45:25

on there and like sharing that with the world that way, too,

45:28

like I think we're really just open to like whatever

45:30

comes to us and continuing to

45:32

grow our love. And definitely

45:35

probably not going to be quiet about it because that's just not

45:37

our way. I love that.

45:39

And I'm so glad to hear that. And I think

45:42

this is such a good point to

45:44

to wrap this on because what

45:46

you guys show as I've been listening to you talk,

45:48

I'm like, this is also what makes them just so great.

45:51

I think that nowadays people feel

45:54

or maybe not just nowadays, but like we've always

45:56

so many of us have always felt like if your

45:58

love story doesn't happen.

45:59

in the way that you

46:02

think it should, then it's not a love story.

46:04

Like I can use me and my husband

46:06

as an example, just because people

46:09

will be like, oh, well was it love at first sight? And I'm

46:11

like, no, like we really liked each

46:13

other and enjoyed each other's company. And we like dated

46:15

casually for like six months and really got

46:17

to know each other until we like

46:20

fully like fell in love and decided to be together.

46:22

And like, while that doesn't sound as exciting,

46:24

it's like, oh yeah, we met and we just knew and

46:26

it was so passionate right after that. But like,

46:29

this is also what makes us like a really stable,

46:32

great couple. Do you know what I mean? And so

46:35

I think that your love story, while

46:37

it wasn't like quintessentially

46:39

what we all think it should look like,

46:42

I think it's one of the most solid ones out

46:44

there.

46:45

And I think that's so great for people to have as

46:47

an example.

46:49

Yeah, I totally agree. When you go through trials

46:51

and tribulations and you can overcome them,

46:53

like that's what makes you solid,

46:55

you know, like totally. And how

46:58

you handle them together, the way

47:00

that you guys handled those together.

47:02

Totally, yeah. Well, Bliss, like

47:05

I have seriously loved watching you. I've loved

47:07

talking to you. I like hope I get to

47:09

see more of you. I think you guys

47:11

are great. And thank you so

47:13

much for doing this podcast. I hope I run into you

47:15

again at an airport. Oh my gosh,

47:18

I hope we run into each other again too. That was

47:20

so fun. Thank you so much for having me. I really,

47:22

really loved chatting with you. And sorry, my lights

47:24

just totally went out suddenly. That's

47:27

okay. And if you're ever in

47:29

LA, I'd love to double date.

47:31

Not to be weird. Please,

47:34

let's do it. Much of their anniversary is being so

47:36

close. I feel like- How fun would that be?

47:39

Your daughter, you can bring her. We can talk about owls.

47:41

It'll be awesome. Yes. Okay,

47:44

thank you so much, Bliss. Thank you,

47:47

take care.

47:48

Bye. Bye. Bye.

47:50

Bye. CrossFit

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