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00:00:00:00 - 00:00:19:37 Unknown Okay, so you guys use your your recording. Yeah. We can start officially the rolling whenever, whenever you see. So how do we how do we kick it off. How do you usually take it off? I try not to. Yeah. Not it doesn't go go go. 00:00:19:38 - 00:00:41:36 Unknown Since you can't, you used to count as down. But that was when we had the camera that was overheating. We had to have a half an hour break. Shit, that is not happening today. That's fine. We can. Yeah, we can, we can, the again, as, as the honor to the tradition. So honor the tradition. The gods of tradition, please. 00:00:41:36 - 00:00:52:18 Unknown Now the question. Are we ready? Yes. All right. Fantastic. Fantastic. Okay, 3 to 1. 00:01:09:26 - 00:01:21:47 Unknown Ross, thank you so much for accepting our invitation. Yes. No. Thank you. I actually feel a bit honored. Like, your plans and stuff for the class. That's pretty cool. 00:01:22:03 - 00:01:49:24 Unknown Yeah. So if you, equipment to be able to jump on and chat about stuff. So. Well, welcome to the new season. We're excited to come back stronger than before. And with a wonderful ensemble of guests to come. I was really keen to speak to you because you were recommended by someone who was on the previous season. 00:01:49:24 - 00:02:28:09 Unknown Alice, shout out to Alice. Yes. Legend. Fantastic. Fantastic lady. Love her two bit. And she said something in her email that instantly inspired me and that was like, you're changing the music scene in Inverness for the better. And, I mean that. Yeah, I mean, I guess it's not just me. But I guess you could say that I have been involved in making a change or trying to make a change the last few years. 00:02:29:29 - 00:02:49:47 Unknown Yes. And it's really funny. So I met Alice. We met Alice. It was just the start of, putting sort of, household, just a couple lines that we run into Alice. And, we met was as Karen was just, saying we should go. There's an exhibition that she might have said. I'm not sure. And it's a busy. 00:02:50:01 - 00:03:09:38 Unknown So I just thought that. No, no, she didn't say it on the podcast. It's okay. Okay, cool. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So she. And she was just. How do we still the bunch of her, her pieces up there, actually, we just walked through, just started chatting to her. It was just. And then she said she moved up from Glasgow a little. 00:03:09:47 - 00:03:36:18 Unknown She's been up here for we. Well. And, it was. Yeah. I was just looking for a graphic designer to, to to create some art for the events, and she said she'd like to do that. And then I think for years, she's been doing well, like last year, she did all the garden party prints. And yeah, I would go into the process, obviously, of how of research really works. 00:03:36:29 - 00:03:41:33 Unknown Well, because I would be able to do it very well, but also to. So she mentioned that, 00:03:41:33 - 00:04:04:33 Unknown I think, I guess it's sort of fair to say in a lot of ways, I've been quite lucky to have, time to like, dedicate a lot of a lot of efforts and time into this, you know, so many other things, probably stop people from, from really putting in the effort that they want to, to do to make a change in the future. 00:04:04:33 - 00:04:06:41 Unknown For example, the music scene in the lives, 00:04:06:41 - 00:04:11:29 Unknown Yeah, it's a I'm quite happy. I've been I've been able to do it. 00:04:11:29 - 00:04:31:34 Unknown how do you start. Because you that idea came up to you around Covid time, didn't it? Yes. So it's, it basically covo stuff of just started like a massive training for. 00:04:31:38 - 00:05:05:14 Unknown Okay, so let's go back to, let's go back to just talking about music, because I've heard from a few people that you are such a massive geek music geek. So I guess it's yeah, I think, I do need someone to put events on with. And he is definitely someone that has a lot of like, knowledge or like sound and likes production side of events. 00:05:05:47 - 00:05:30:26 Unknown So it's, it's it's he's, he's like someone that we, as I see in the music scene that, you know, we really wouldn't be where we are without him being involved. You know, he's incredible. Like, So incredible. Soundtrack. And that really sort of makes a difference when we put events on them. And the sound is like, absolutely. 00:05:30:30 - 00:06:04:25 Unknown In my opinion, anyway, like perfect in most cases. I leave him, but I go down to gigs outside of Dallas and I'm like, hey, I'm listening. It's like, oh, like a could. I wouldn't know how to make it better or to change it, but I could definitely hear that it's it's maybe not how I would like it, but it has a little of it, which is nice because it he goes, I go to upstairs, for example, or it's a household gig or whatever, whatever. 00:06:04:25 - 00:06:39:00 Unknown Keep that within the sound live, I guess. And and it's like, oh yes, like exactly how you want it to. And I'm sure that's good to the artist as well. But I was doing sound and upstairs, he, yeah. Be honest. Performance. What I was thing was like, sounds amazing. So I mean, for me, I, I wish I was more geeky, like, geeking out on music and, and that production side of things, like, my memory is so, so awful. 00:06:39:04 - 00:07:02:09 Unknown Like, I literally can't like, I'm like, yeah, I've got friends. Just as well. He could listen to the tune and then like, one name the tune, which I struggle with sometimes. And then not just that, but also maybe you on the album and then maybe, maybe like the label, and then go into a bit of a background about the tunes as well. 00:07:03:27 - 00:07:35:16 Unknown But there's other aspects of the music industry, I guess, that I do sort of geek out on. It's a lot of, yeah. I mean, when I moved up to 2015 and I get there, but that last point in the, remembered hooks is good. Yeah. I moved up to 2015 and there wasn't a like for me again, personally, it might be different for other people, but at the time I didn't think that was a massive music scene in Inverness. 00:07:35:20 - 00:08:08:32 Unknown That wasn't maybe, you know, you're catered for the traditional Scottish music or live music, that, you know, that gets played at places like the government or refocuses or whatever. But under and I think and I like that I'm sure that everyone long for everyone listening probably likes this or Scottish music, which is great. However, it's I think there's a point of a maybe. 00:08:08:33 - 00:08:35:11 Unknown I don't think people get it as well for young people as well. There's a point of where it's kind of like, oh no, probably after five, six years of maybe going out every weekend, every other weekend to these seven places, you'd sort of lose a bit of it's easy as well. And maybe kind of yearn for something a bit more and, and that's definitely how I felt after a few weeks. 00:08:35:48 - 00:09:07:11 Unknown Was that, you know, luckily we had tooth and claw, which is really cool. I mean, it's been built, so I would say 8 to 10 years, I guess, I'm still selling correctly for room. But to. Yeah, tooth is great. So good. And, had a lot of, like, musical money moved up, had a couple of got notes, the upstairs with, you know, that has thankfully fill the void for, for me. 00:09:07:11 - 00:09:30:20 Unknown But also I think for a lot of people, with dance music every single weekend, Friday, Saturday, 11 till three, we've got a deejay is a great promoters putting on like really solid parties which, you know, rival. And he said, you know this in Scotland. Let's see. And of course love music and comedy, cabaret, burlesque all has been really well received as well. 00:09:31:46 - 00:09:57:26 Unknown So you gotta get to see how that plays out. Honestly. So the music scene like it's, it's I mean, I'm lucky to be part of the machine that is change, culturally, thankfully in the business because I think I think it's or needs. Yeah. To me firstly, again, so I felt like it needed, something and keep. 00:09:57:30 - 00:10:21:45 Unknown Yeah. A lot of people have always said, you know, young people leave, maybe, trains leave this area to go to us, go up to Edinburgh. Whether it's natural, but, and what do we do or what can we do to keep people here in Inverness and keep them interested? Which is why I think this, this podcast is such a great idea. 00:10:21:49 - 00:10:51:08 Unknown It's going to be so good. I can't wait to see it. It's going to be awesome. I'm not just saying that as well, but it's actually going to be. Are you going to still really do think it's, it's, Yeah. Amazing. I, you know, I agree with you, in many ways, and I don't know if a big part of it is because we're both. 00:10:51:12 - 00:11:26:29 Unknown You're not from here originally. You know, we moved in here and like, the traditional Scottish music, it's gorgeous. And I have my love and place for it. But there is a certain part of me that craves for something more international, for sure, you know? Yeah. For something that is not necessarily tied to location, but more towards emotions. And that more of an art creative spirit that music carries with it. 00:11:27:06 - 00:11:35:41 Unknown In many ways, yeah, for sure. I think, original acts. 00:11:35:45 - 00:11:53:18 Unknown There's something about it. Where is this can be can you could get what is this? It might be the Amazon or some of what? Good morning. Yeah. No, but I can have. Yeah. 00:11:53:22 - 00:12:06:03 Unknown Who's who's that. Sorry. You know, here, let me second someone knows in 00:12:06:03 - 00:12:17:42 Unknown That's okay. Okay. There's a new one. Yeah, sure. Or it's not here today. You have a chaos situation, pepper is no here. I love how Pepper like so moves. 00:12:19:43 - 00:12:41:48 Unknown I have absolutely no idea. Like we share the floor but I'm all in the office. I just know that it's like a is it the delivery. Is it easier to deliver or something. Is it the delivery. Is it kind. No, no. Are you a delivery boy. 00:12:42:02 - 00:13:04:15 Unknown I really hope this is still, rice, right? Yeah. No, he's not he's not here today is now in the studio. Is not in the, Y'all. I haven't seen him. All right. The problems here, dude, who was that lady pulling over? Dropping him? We're dropping off some paperwork for him. For accountancy and stuff. Oh, you go and move. 00:13:04:15 - 00:13:27:20 Unknown Right, guys? What's going on? It's it's. Yeah, this is just. Where's the. Wait? Where's the. I've tried all the bells that are there. I swear to God, I don't know where is this baton coming from? Where does it come from? Is. Oh, that's the old news. Yeah. Like there is no bell outside all those doors that connects to here. 00:13:27:20 - 00:13:53:01 Unknown I don't know, it's easy downstairs. Well, he just called that. I mean, he's gonna. Yeah. Yeah. Interesting. That bell rang twice. Yeah. Never for me. No, that, you know, I've got very strong tools there. I can say we can search it out after instant. Yeah, I mean, yeah, let's have a break. Yes, I can hear everything I can hear. 00:13:53:04 - 00:14:25:24 Unknown I can let me. I can go to the here. Go. Yeah. She's got little tree treats on the table. Should I reveal what of. Yeah. So, you. Oh. So much love. You know, you're so tired. No. You want to enjoy your treat and have a little love, which is having a hard day at the office. Yeah, sometimes I wish I was later, late at night, I wait, what's going to be. 00:14:25:28 - 00:14:55:45 Unknown It's just going to be five. Wait on the 15th of February. Oh, nice. Okay. Good girl. Well done. Welcome. And then we go back because we. You know how it works. Nice. Was it listened with Alice when she came into the shot. And she was like, I must put you into the kitchen. Yeah. She loves you. Yeah. Cool. 00:14:55:49 - 00:15:23:46 Unknown Have you met her dog? Yeah. He is, like, super fluffy. Super fluffy. Yeah. So has a big crush on Pepper. Oh, really? Yeah, I know, but, yeah. Yeah. Hasn't gotten used to. We get used to be absolutely wild. Absolutely. Yeah. It was, it was pretty. It was just like full power. Yeah, a lot. All the time. 00:15:24:27 - 00:15:50:04 Unknown And yeah, super, super cute. But yeah, very fluffy. I used to go to a little studio and it's a little studio, I mean, and, and then as soon as I started chatting, it just like, Oh, my God, that's right. That's. I've got to go. This is going, you know, what is it? It's two years is like the longer the fur, usually, the more I really I wouldn't know. 00:15:50:04 - 00:16:11:22 Unknown Apparently with cats, it's. They, it's the saliva itself, not actually the hair. Oh. So even if I got the always tells as well or. Yeah. But dogs. Dogs. I think if the room is, like, stuffy, hot if the room's hot, there's a lot of other like as soon as I, or get something in my nose. 00:16:11:35 - 00:16:31:24 Unknown Just that'll be pretty much it. But. Yeah. Horses. And I'm fine now, by the way, just in case you're like. Yeah, I don't know. I'm fine, thank you. Is that, Yeah. Horses are the worst. Wow. Like, right. Yeah. Because I don't know why the what is the if I'm like, if I got a horse like, whether and not touch my skin. 00:16:31:43 - 00:17:06:29 Unknown I used to have really bad eczema. And I would just be like, oh, just like. Yeah, yeah, it's not sucks. I had a really bad eggs and I like, on my hands everywhere. I didn't know why. And then by accident, well, I just was like, let's run tests. Yeah. If this is something that I'm allergic to, I'm, like, crazy allergic to cobalt, which is like, in everything, but okay, so, like, I get blisters, you know, from things like, you know, you have cobalt in like this. 00:17:06:29 - 00:17:27:43 Unknown Yes. These and computers and everything. You touch almost this with at least a little bit of cobalt, a lot of metals themselves, they just blind them like they defuze them to use. Yeah, jewelry or whatnot. So. Yeah. So I feel like I feel. You okay. Yeah. Yeah, I, I feel I struggle with learning and trying to cope. 00:17:27:47 - 00:17:55:48 Unknown Yeah. That's, I mean that this is though when there's serious. Is that I mean like you sort of stay away from dogs cats because it's very easily but. Yeah. Cool. Yeah. Yeah yeah. It's, it's, it's very common allergy apparent. It's very common person rings glasses. But like common like with people. Yeah. It's very common. Yeah. Because Kyle's got, like she's a really, really bad crack times and stuff. 00:17:56:02 - 00:18:17:10 Unknown And I could be obviously a lot of things. And she's a photographer. She she has to she does take photos. Yeah I'm like yeah I don't know. I might just mention that. Yeah. Because like, I mean I have tech in my hand all the time. Yeah. And he's laughing at me. But. 00:18:17:14 - 00:18:48:43 Unknown I, I love ceramics and I started making ceremonies and starting my own business. Okay. So Clay with no clay like I, I he, you know, when I'm working on ceramics because my hands are jobs. Oh my God, place it up believing. And they look like, you know, the Fantastic Four. And there was this guy, like the Rock or whatever was the stone in my hands look like that. 00:18:48:47 - 00:19:04:33 Unknown They're like puffy and red and bleeding and the skin is like, we're so excited. Decided, like, what is the balance? 00:19:04:37 - 00:19:32:16 Unknown Using the other vein of magic, he's in there. So friends and family. My mum is a dentist. Yeah. Let's say this and that's okay. So like she's from using to be a farrier for horses. If I could just get yourself a carriage. Yes. They drive a little bit. People. Yeah. 00:19:32:20 - 00:19:56:45 Unknown That's a bit of experience. It's like it's ceramics and not that big. So it's. It's just a funny story to tell. And he's amused. Yeah. That's it. Yeah. I mean, it probably. Yeah. I mean that would. How are you receiving us on all stuff. Good. Yeah. Okay. Looking back to it. So yeah, I had a bit of a brain fart as well. 00:19:56:49 - 00:20:15:10 Unknown I have to sometimes that happens just like when I'm chatting normally. Then it's definitely heightened. But it's in this situation, it's just like, oh, I have completely forgotten everything. 00:20:15:14 - 00:20:44:05 Unknown It happens to all of us. It happens to me all the time. Okay, cool. It happens to me all the time. And they're exactly. Yeah. So this camera shot happened? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah yeah yeah. It's it's it happens to me off the cameras. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. That's what we did. The upstairs video. It's just it's such a small videos, but, I was lucky we did a of free, free takes and then, then a kind of hold up a lot, like, massively cut it up. 00:20:44:05 - 00:21:13:15 Unknown And I was, It's just that, a lot, a lot. Yeah. Yeah, that's okay. Oh, really? See if I can get a floor. Yeah. It's. Don't be sorry. We got a professional or, like, I'm like, I got been to, like, over edit it. You can tell, like, when you're, it's a commercial and someone speaks who doesn't usually speak to the camera or is on all of. 00:21:13:20 - 00:21:35:41 Unknown Or you can tell like I can tell was cut to a thousand pieces, you know, to cut out all these little bits. And now you have AI that can do it this way. Yes. Yeah. That's natural. That's a good help. Yeah. I don't use that much AI, but I use some AI, but not too much. I still like to put my hand in. 00:21:35:41 - 00:21:58:00 Unknown I have a feeling it is. There's still things that. Yeah, I think it's just like the personal touch of go about gears a it and that helps like highlight and like highlighting things. Right. Yeah. Sign me this. Or helping to direct you there so you don't have to. Yeah yeah yeah yeah. Let's go back to music. Right. 00:21:58:01 - 00:22:41:14 Unknown Cool. Let's go back to music. And we were on how it started. Yeah. How are you? I don't know, you can just get your break and be like and get back to it. Yeah, yeah. I'm really interested to hear from you. Where does this passion for music come from? Yep. I guess I have always been interested and always in music as as most people, you know, I mean, like, everyone has a has some sort of interest in music. 00:22:42:47 - 00:23:09:08 Unknown I hope anyway, for some people, like, I just, I don't want to use it. It's a bit of a red flag, I think, no offense. I just like music, by the way. If still a success. And, I'm showing you this, the. Yeah. So my interest music probably started, for my brother and my sister, who both are super, extremely smart. 00:23:09:08 - 00:23:37:15 Unknown And, I would say academic and, both very, they both play musician. They're both like, very good musicians. But my brother was a great guitarist, and, it was just the place, like, kind of, was the, but they're both very involved in the music. It's just, she's been sort of involved in the, in the industry for, for most of her life. 00:23:37:15 - 00:24:06:14 Unknown But so working in an island for about 18 years, I think it was based on in Bristol, a really good guitarist. And so if you album's out and stuff and, so probably came from the it's very much so the interests and I think, as soon as I was 18, I think I started touring, you know, and when I was, I lived on Essex up until about 19. 00:24:06:18 - 00:24:24:03 Unknown And so I went out there and then that sort of really kicked off my sort of interest in dance music. I would say, like a late bloomer, I guess, when it comes to that sort of thing. But that's the same for a lot of people. Yeah, it wasn't really super, super interesting. Don't switch it up until that point. 00:24:24:03 - 00:25:00:02 Unknown That really sort of really took my interest. And then when we moved up here, to Inverness, I went out on the bus and, met a few people, like a few others in Aberdeen, and invited us for one weekend. And other things. I'd probably say I've been sort of really kicked off my interest in, like, silly and sort of dance music and, what it to what it could be. 00:25:00:06 - 00:25:41:29 Unknown And, and in terms of the for to Aberdeen at the time had this incredible community of, of people putting on parties and putting events on and interesting events. Interesting is at two locations. I mean, I think, yeah, there's, there's so many, there's so many had a really house party scene as well. Really good house party scene that, for example, there's one party I went to, so like half 3 or 4, and, you walked, from the city center to the beach in, in Aberdeen and, she played at Aberdeen Beach that got these tunnels. 00:25:41:34 - 00:26:23:15 Unknown Yeah. And, they brought a generator, for the sound system, and just, like, had this drape on either side. And then it was sort of I put this really, like, semi-naked people that I'd say all very, you know, sleepy looking. I guess it's still work. The, the that the but that in itself, like, it's those sorts of, events and parties that sort of really took my interest because it was like, I like, you know, I did the logistics behind that, like the idea of, like jumping through the poles to put something like that on. 00:26:23:19 - 00:26:43:44 Unknown And, what people feel when they walk away from these sorts of events and take away and meet people that make the end of the day, you know, feel with people at that time, at an event like that, generally, you'd like to think of those people of prominence in the wavelength team in terms of, you know, how you think maybe, and your reasons or whatever. 00:26:43:48 - 00:27:07:25 Unknown So, you know, again, it's like bringing people together in that sense, I guess. So. And that's so that's that's where it really sort of kicked off, and sort of kicked off an interesting but interesting day. And that sort of in terms of my interest in music as well. So it's so good and, and, and yeah. 00:27:07:25 - 00:27:31:45 Unknown So deejaying playing involves or playing events and stuff. It's sort of, you know, just for me personally, I mean, it's sort of like you look out for the fans, you can sort of see what. Yeah, it's there and the vibe should be. And then if you can sort of go through music in my head of being like this would really suit right now. 00:27:32:43 - 00:27:55:41 Unknown I could be a really nice, quiet bar and I could be like, oh, there's some people that I know. You look up, you see people call and tell you like, I think that really like that. So yeah, music, deejaying events all sort of came from that part of my life. And then when I moved back to when I saw a little bit of that goes for the time, everything went back to where that's. 00:27:55:45 - 00:28:24:18 Unknown And then we were just. Yeah, I just saw it for, I think we should, put on some, some tea parties. With household, but not magic. It was a club is to put behind it before that as well. Yeah. It was yeah, it was basically funding. Well, in this hasn't got a lot of it for me. 00:28:24:18 - 00:28:45:28 Unknown It was good club nights, and, and most weekends. And then also thinking like, what can we do to make it even more special? It needs to go to parties, for example, or something that was, really quite like a selling point, I think for a lot of people. And there's not many places I'd say in Scotland that you could. 00:28:45:35 - 00:29:21:07 Unknown It's a to your 13 hour parties, you know, the garden party and then do an afterparty at a music venue afterwards. And for me that was like a special thing. And through those events are that like all my friends that hang out with that basically. And it's a similar story to them as well. It was an absolute melting pot of let's see what for a few events, it was just lots of different people who are all friends of friends, different people. 00:29:21:11 - 00:29:45:20 Unknown And then you've got all these circles just like moving bands to joining at these events and, you know, just become friends and fans of friends and, and yeah, I feel like if you are an artist as well, you tend to as well. If you ask anyone that comes that would probably say the same thing. It's like the quality of people that has built up like strong friendships. 00:29:45:24 - 00:30:12:02 Unknown That wouldn't be the case if those parties were there. And then it's like, oh, okay, cool. So that's what music venues are for, you know, that's what putting on gigs all is that that's probably the most important thing that comes out of these sort of music events is those sort of connections with people and friends that you meet that are on a similar wave level to you. 00:30:12:06 - 00:30:38:13 Unknown For instance, bombing. You're not good tunes within the community. So and that's how cool ideas come across as well. You can be chatting to someone, you know, go see, I've quit smoking cigarets, but, you know, you could be having a cigaret and, and, and you could just chat to this person and it turns out the bass player, and I'll go in. 00:30:38:14 - 00:31:08:36 Unknown You need to go. I know this thing into place for those little, like, connections. You know, the again, where would you have those connections and chats if music plays one there? Absolutely. And especially here in Scotland with a great weather we're having. Yeah. And you know, massive amounts of outing that there is accessible through the year, limited by the weather. 00:31:09:20 - 00:31:36:18 Unknown It's it's definitely one of the more sociable places where you can really find friendships, find love, find opportunities, job or whatnot. And it it relates all back to the name that you came up with. Household. Can you can you tell me more about that? I read I read something in an article that I really love to hear this story from you. 00:31:36:18 - 00:32:06:38 Unknown Yes. I yes. So household obviously is is a is a club like that? You have a few too few friends and I started, Yeah. It plans to just bring the teachers up from, from and push a certain sort of music the a here of us that much, which will just be done. So household the name household. 00:32:06:38 - 00:32:25:39 Unknown It was, at the time. Well, it's a club, but I know I once it started, it was just like the most difficult bit, for me anyway, is kind of think of a name. So he does a full name of thought long and hard about, like, oh, I should do this. And then you're like, oh, does that sound this other like. 00:32:25:49 - 00:32:41:28 Unknown And then you come back to it. Well, so I was in I was waiting for Karen, but all the cards things work and I was just like, look, I was in Morrisons car park in Belfast and I was just looking over and, looking 00:32:41:28 - 00:32:51:43 Unknown just daydreaming. And, there was this, like, furniture shop across the way, and it had, like, a bunch of stuff on it. 00:32:51:44 - 00:33:19:21 Unknown And then it just said, like household look, photo or a room with a capital letters and household looked other household. And at the time, I, did got to go out at some of my friends who assume that household means that we just play house music, which we do, which we do. It's, it's it's. Yeah. So I looked at it as I was really cool was I was I house music at the time? 00:33:19:21 - 00:33:48:32 Unknown I was like, and then I was a household of a googoo household for a few reasons. Know, I want to see if there's anything similar to what we're doing. That was, I think, the one of the American, and then basically came up with the, the sort of description of what household the word means that sort of like, it's something like a family or unit living under the same roof or something like that. 00:33:48:36 - 00:34:15:27 Unknown And I think that sort of, resonated with the time because that was maybe something that we wanted. I guess it sounds a bit weird, but like, maybe not wanted, but I guess, like, needed, you know, it's like, and I think it's probably needed by a lot of people. Well, yeah, it's, you know, it's it's like, yeah, he to me, it's basically I, you know, so yeah. 00:34:15:27 - 00:34:37:47 Unknown And then from that I just was like, cos I think that's really cool. And I had a bunch of sketches for like ideas and stuff like that. And sometimes graphic design and stuff and living it up and, and then we just did as many events as we could. And I was working, I was doing the time I was working in a cafe. 00:34:38:01 - 00:35:09:48 Unknown It just before Covid with one of them just before Covid and, and yeah. Yeah. And then Covid start slowly. Yeah. It's usually a very slow start but very organic start from like what we are hearing people are saying about how they really begin that journey. And it seems very similar to you that it's like this organic development where there was really no any other way for you to go but that way. 00:35:10:07 - 00:35:43:03 Unknown So yeah, yeah, I it's Yeah, I'm really glad that, we did it, you know, and I think it would have happened anyway. I think I think it's probably fair to say that with without household, in the amount of time and effort that people put into it, there wouldn't be an upstairs. Yeah. And it's probably fair to say that, know there was an upstairs that might not have been a new music venue opening up in December. 00:35:43:04 - 00:36:28:30 Unknown It's just happened behind some of that we sort of are involved in as well. It's yeah, it's a when you look at it like that, it's, it's it definitely is really important. And I think on the surface from someone sort of on the surface level, looking at it sort of, it's just if I, it's just an event that happens at a pub, you know, I thought about the illness bar or the Castle Tavern and then there's not much, you know, we have to do, like, you know, to take a with and then you realize, okay, well, this is, this is sort of start this domino effect, a very slow, you know, sporadic 00:36:28:34 - 00:36:52:20 Unknown domino effect. It's not like, here we go. My full power. It's been my forever stuff and stuff. But this is there's been these little golden nuggets of incredible events that have happened the last year or two in upstairs and also other venues where you're like, no, okay. I think there's like a lot to be had here, but that's I think there's a lot of potential. 00:36:52:40 - 00:37:26:01 Unknown It's just yeah, people need to. I guess. Yeah. Even promoters need to put on events that people are going to or people, but they should be word minded and want to, listen to to, to music they haven't heard of before and take that chance and spend that 10 pounds on potentially saying. You know, someone that's just breaking through, breaking through and like it sounds incredible. 00:37:26:05 - 00:37:54:46 Unknown And then maybe ten years go by and then that that's something, you know, need to be. Yeah. Sure. That you know that way inclined. You know I saw them before. They were big. So, so yeah, I think, yeah, it's really important that, Yeah, that people, people try and come out and support and support venues and, and support, local musicians when they can. 00:37:55:00 - 00:38:21:38 Unknown There's a really cool there's a quote of an I can't remember his name. He did something, but, he's a he's, he's the lead for Music Venue Trust, I think. And, he he put it up story or or, it was in the room I read it from, but, he basically said that, you know, grassroots music venues, which upstairs is definitely is is. 00:38:21:48 - 00:38:47:03 Unknown So their job is to and it's funny because he sort of follows on from saying it's not really a very good business model is that its job is to, you know, put music on and put events on that people even don't like yet or haven't heard. There's that music, you know, that's that's the grassroots like grassroots. But it's job. 00:38:47:07 - 00:39:10:09 Unknown And the reason why it's annoying is because, yes, we should be doing that. But people need to be sort of like open minded enough and, and, you know, the sunny, there's so many different reasons why. Obviously financial reasons are not super, why people would want to spend ten, 15 pounds or five or whatever it is to come and listen to music for an hour or two. 00:39:10:28 - 00:39:12:39 Unknown And maybe Bilal could be okay for that, but, 00:39:12:39 - 00:39:38:38 Unknown it goes back to supporting the community, though, you know, because if you're not taking care of what we have, whether talent wise or opportunity wise, and someone is really taking a chance on themselves, bringing something new to the end of the world. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know when you're getting your stuff shipped. 00:39:38:38 - 00:40:10:41 Unknown To where? Not even the mainland. Like Khan. Yes, I know, so yeah, when we're trying to bring something new that might create a spark within someone else, you know, I think it's a wonderful thing you are doing. Definitely, because it needs to be here, you know? And one of the things that you said with people leaving, being around there, you know, a lot of young people are leaving because there is just there's not enough ness. 00:40:10:42 - 00:40:40:04 Unknown There's like the freshness, you know, and that's something you're definitely bringing. At least in that regard, you know? Yeah, you're giving people an opportunity to experience something different, open their eyes, their souls and everything. Yeah, yeah. And I think it's great. I think we need a lot of that here. And there's definitely crowd who's trying to do that. 00:40:40:08 - 00:41:04:48 Unknown And I appreciate, each, each and every one of those people who are trying to do that. So. Yeah. No, it's yeah, it's good. It's really good that something like this is able to keep happening for sure, when so many venues are shutting down. Yeah. Because of the those big venues wounds and established venues and yeah, new ones as well. 00:41:04:49 - 00:41:50:39 Unknown So it's, it's yeah, I think, you know, in this building, it's such a small city. It should be in my head. I'm so biased, by the way. Just lack of sleep and, but in my head, Yeah, this should be that. It should be. Yeah, they should be very thankful. Everyone should be very thankful that, that they have so many places to go where it be loud music and some incredible bus, you know, market or, you know, galleries and London, Hertz and all the rest of it or also, independent, local musicians, to, to clear upstairs and stuff. 00:41:50:39 - 00:42:21:33 Unknown It's like, yeah, that's that's nice. We think about it like we go to some cities and it's, it's a bit more to include, you know, the, the UK is there's statistics that came out recently where the last two years as I think it was 83 venues a week I think shut its doors. Wow. Something like that. And yeah that's, that's meant. 00:42:21:37 - 00:43:01:35 Unknown Yeah. That's, that's and it's such an important aspect. What we've just discussed on culture and sort of human development food for young people, it's sort of scary. And to think that this is the direction that we're going. So I think until they put figure out that by 2029, if it's sort of like The Last Dance, but if we keep going, the trajectory of what we're currently going towards, then, and there won't be any reason for these Expo 2021 of several versions. 00:43:01:39 - 00:43:34:18 Unknown Wow. So it's really, really important, you know, you use it or lose it, but yeah, but I, I totally I agree with you. I mean, that point that you made about socializing young people or even older people, you know, it's that social connection that you're building. It's, you know, being okay, I'm rotting. I'm not rotting away at night in that apartment where most likely working or of course, yes. 00:43:34:18 - 00:44:07:20 Unknown Yeah, but we do need to. And I don't know that this is really happened during Covid when we started to hang out at home more. You know, we're from countries which are very like social life. It's normal. They're you know, it's it's normal to go out, have fun, meet your friends, go to a dance. You know, like I was just telling you the other day, I need to go dancing, like, you know. 00:44:07:21 - 00:44:44:38 Unknown Yeah, we're coming to our 40s. I still need it. Like she's. You know, we need it. We need the energy. And it's. It's like the spaces like these help us, you know, refill the cup itself, for instance. Yeah. We're refilling our cup so we can be better people, you know, more wonderful people. I that like that in my idealistic head, you know, I think it's a sense of, you know, for me, I love going to gigs. 00:44:45:11 - 00:45:22:11 Unknown I love so accommodating. And I mean, again, very biased. I love events that go on and upstairs, you know, because you sort of switch off, I think. I think that's fair to say, like switch off and you're literally sort of transfixed by you getting entertained by sort of whether that be someone on the guitar playing and singing, you know, you're watching them and you're listening to them and you're taking that time, you know, to do that, which is difficult to do. 00:45:22:15 - 00:45:48:04 Unknown You know, when me, you're like, yeah, I, I find it really difficult to even just work and concentrate on one thing without being distracted by so many other things. And everyone takes the back out of every tab. So I've got people on my other, like they take the fact I just like, drag it down a little bit. And then there's another Google crowd is like, oh, that sounds lovely. 00:45:48:04 - 00:46:27:20 Unknown So, it's just that sort of concentration where you just sort of like, you know, I don't know if that's the same, but, I really think to, you know, you leave a gig or leave an event, whatever. Then better, you know, and I think, but yeah, it's it's also tough as well, like, there's so much stuff going on in people's lives, you know, when we're not expecting, you know, we're no longer in this part of time, but you can just, you know, nip out every single weekend to go to let's go out Friday. 00:46:27:20 - 00:47:06:42 Unknown Saturday. Let's go to this gig, this, this, this, this, whatever. You know, it's just it's just so many other things out there. Entertainment wise as well. Like, you know, there's a there's maybe 20 is going to or more. You know, there's. Gigs and pubs whatever sort of meeting grounds of, of people who you know, whilst now obviously there's so many different parts of communicating and getting the crack with your pals, if you want to, by not going to the pub will not go into a gig. 00:47:08:42 - 00:47:38:46 Unknown Which is yeah, totally baffling in some ways, but I don't see a good thing. And so, yeah, otherwise, you know, in terms of communicating with people, so yeah, I do I don't have any sort of, you know, qualms or anything like that with, with, with, you know, people that to the, all the time doing and the age thing is, it's funny like, you know, you see certain things. 00:47:38:46 - 00:48:08:17 Unknown So then I look at Instagram, it looks some real sort. I do that quite a lot, you know, and, the, the one, you know, one that came up recently was like, how old should you be? Know, listening to dance music at a club or something like that? And it was such a weird thing to sort of be, you know, someone who's only other, you know, older than 28. 00:48:08:21 - 00:48:40:36 Unknown And it's like, I don't know whether it's people from Brussels who, you know, it's it's it's it's clear just the ignorance of or just not understanding, just not understanding how what these places are for, you know, they're not for people to get really, really, really, really drunk and stumble out of the bar or whatever it is. It's unfortunate there's parts of that that have of this part of the industry. 00:48:40:36 - 00:49:07:21 Unknown But, you know, it's it's, it's not for that. And, you know, you should be able to go listen to music. And but at Liverpool, it's not how old you are. I mean, there's people that come upstairs to club nights, you know, the majority of content for the, 18 to 20, 24. And, there's one person and one woman who's 61 who took it like, right. 00:49:07:21 - 00:49:35:47 Unknown And, and she just goes from, from right. And she probably brings the most energy, who to be honest. And it's like, that's exactly how it should be. And, you know, she never feels out of, you know, she doesn't feel like, it's a little out of, place, you know? And sometimes you've got this incredible mix crew come in for certain nights at, like, Midnight Magic, which is a disco 80s. 00:49:36:16 - 00:50:15:29 Unknown It's hollow and stuff, and that's such a mixed group of ages. That sort of creates a really nice atmosphere, you know? And if you're a young person, especially you, I'd say for me coming to that sort of atmosphere, it's interesting and it's like, you know, how many? Yeah. How many times do you get to go into a room full of young, young, 18 to 20 year olds to, to, to, to older, you know, 50s and onwards, you know, and and across the board like that really, really you can kind of chat with them about the bar or they're just, yeah, it's really that's interesting and I love it. 00:50:15:34 - 00:50:51:15 Unknown I well Pepper is looking, which hopefully we can hear on the audio. It's very clear. It's that absolutely pristine area. So you I turned because of the like hey I love what you said about that because, you know, one interview and I'm paraphrasing here, you said that the upstairs and, you know, the space that you are creating is a safe space for people who want to dance and have quality. 00:50:51:18 - 00:50:59:14 Unknown Yeah. And, of course, I think you want to be better. 00:50:59:43 - 00:51:29:12 Unknown Yes. Yes. So, yeah, absolutely. I think, there's something quite special about a dark room full of smoke, some lights and some music getting loud music. You know, it's. You know, you sort of one. You'd like to dance, I guess. Yeah, for a lot of people, And. Yeah, it's a safe space. It's, you know, it's. 00:51:29:15 - 00:52:03:05 Unknown We can't guarantee that it is a safe space, you know, and not no venue can, no bar. You know, but, you know, there are lots of things you can do to to do the best to try and try to make it. But there's limitations to be in a small venue like we are in Inverness. And, and being a about above a busy, busy pub like the Jones and stuff that we do have limitations and to in terms of what we can really, really do. 00:52:03:05 - 00:52:31:40 Unknown well in front of us and, there's a lot of things that we have done, we have continued to do to really sort of, make it known that we are a safe, space. And there's, you know, we invited to give a health campaign. It's a completely a London that basically accredits venues, around Europe and instance, the UK stuff. 00:52:31:44 - 00:53:03:48 Unknown There's done a ministry of sound and that's a big establishments, but a lot of local local, sort of sort of like small venues as well. And yeah, they came up and they work through a lot of stuff with the stuff. But, you know, and I knew it was going to be important and interesting, and that since I was super interested in like, super worthwhile and, and even a illness is different, obviously to, to London, you know, in a lot of ways. 00:53:03:48 - 00:53:47:32 Unknown And culturally, you and in terms of, you know, what, what people are doing, you know, what people like and stuff. And, but there was a lot stuff that we could use to sort of went into that to upstairs. And I got to go to a lot of it now. But yeah, it's really interesting. And, I wish that other parts would also take a similar approach and into, into this sort of, sort of potential issues and problems that could arise or have a have arrived in the past, past, that, okay, maybe culturally, possibly being, embedded. 00:53:47:35 - 00:54:11:25 Unknown It's is more sort of accepted. Yeah. So yeah, that's yeah, that's that's what it is. But, but it needs to be a whole, you know, everyone, everyone gets involved and, and so which just try to try to create some sort of project to do that for the last 3 or 4 years it's implemented. Yeah. But yeah. 00:54:11:29 - 00:54:38:43 Unknown Amazing. And like when it comes to you already mentioned that you have a couple times the variety of things that you guys do. It's not just one type of music. It's, it's not just music. So you prepare or you source these different acts, different people, different performers. Yeah, yeah, they really work. Cool. 00:54:38:43 - 00:54:52:12 Unknown I really think that, like, it's something that people just don't know much, much about, and I just, I get really, 00:54:52:16 - 00:55:15:17 Unknown No, I guess. Yeah. Upset, I guess upset if I've got, like, a client sort of power of Batman and, they don't know my. Well, I do the job, and, you know, I said, I'll tell you what, it comes up. So they're just like, oh, so this is fine. Since, something like that. You know, I just and of course, I, but I always ask, you know, why? 00:55:15:23 - 00:55:41:47 Unknown You know what you think that and and, you know, it's and and worst case, it's, it's like, oh, I've turned up and it's, it's, it's dead. It's like, what's on the two 11:05 when we open at 11, you know, like, we know it's not going to be, you know, and then the other thing would be like, oh, it was just banging techno. 00:55:41:49 - 00:56:08:14 Unknown Oh, well, it's not my music. Have you been again? Oh, no. And so it's the reason to do this video for upstairs is because people still don't actually understand how a venue like upstairs operates in terms of like, promoters, but the venue was putting parties on most cases. So like that would be not something like that. 00:56:08:15 - 00:56:35:19 Unknown It was a book about this and a lot of time there'll be nights like Second Place, which is just at the moment, just relentless seconds. Yeah, but they are on different nights. So it's up to the, the punter to the dance or whatever. To, to find that a club like a promoter would be like look onto that because you know, they need the support as well. 00:56:35:19 - 00:57:11:40 Unknown So household you has a sort of similar of has a fairly different, in most cases genres of music that we play. So people now sort of know that, you know, they come to so they expect something. And you know, thankfully, in my opinion, being biased, it's always good to a pretty good standard. But you go to second place, the Jews Night, they know that they are getting something along the lines of tackling, you know, and, and it's the same, the same with a lot of comedy and stuff like that. 00:57:11:44 - 00:57:32:11 Unknown There's more like specific things with club nights. It's like people still think that when they pay 5 pound or 10 pound or like, do they know where that money is going? But does that money go to the, most of them maybe think it's the venue. So obviously they're a bit like not paying me 5 pounds. Getting you. 00:57:32:15 - 00:57:54:05 Unknown Yeah. It's been times I've been at the door and I've just been thinking about and then someone's like, are not paying 5 pound. Let's go Johnny Foxes. And you know, I like I really hit my head on sweating profusely. But, you know, it's interesting just to be like, look, you do you focus at all. 00:57:54:17 - 00:58:14:10 Unknown And usually I just they just walk off door, don't speak to it, which is fun. Sometimes you get, like, you know, you get someone young, especially a young guy. Sometimes it's bit be a mind, just check for two minutes. Like, why don't you want to pay for them to get him? Oh, I just haven't got any money. That's the usual. 00:58:14:14 - 00:58:58:12 Unknown And it's like, well, yeah, he could be paying 5.50 pound for a pint. Yeah, we do, we do now I'm getting money like we did try to get into it. But he's, you know, for free. So yeah, I think yeah, I think it's really important to try and explain, explain to people, you know, that money that you pay on the door goes to the promoter, you know, that promoter that will dish it out, you know, and even spend it on marketing like marketing or paid ads, post artwork, you know, employing people are less to do the artwork you can print it for, like provide it for the for other speed print or other 00:58:58:19 - 00:59:27:29 Unknown invisible printing, you know, and obviously the acts themselves, it's, you know, it's it's a lot, of, lot of time and effort goes into these events. Love music, especially love music, especially in the sense like there's really there's not like a massive amount of money to be made in a venue that size just because if you've got a band 4 or 5 piece, they might all work £50, which is nothing, is it? 00:59:28:12 - 00:59:52:22 Unknown That's quite a lot of money. What are you selling? You're going to get a 100 cat and you're potentially selling 40 tickets. You know, you don't lose out, you don't lose money. Basically. Generally. Generally. But like I want buy that. It's a you know, you want to at least try and break even below 40 so that it's a great way to get money. 00:59:52:22 - 01:00:06:17 Unknown Fantastic. And I'm sorry. It's right. It's the fact that this is a labor of love and there's not many people that are doing it. So the people that are doing it should be. Try best out there and and support. 01:00:06:17 - 01:00:11:47 Unknown for the panel. The door is, is nothing, you know, 10 pounds. The door is nothing. 01:00:12:01 - 01:00:17:34 Unknown Absolutely nothing to what, what it could be, potential. It should be, 01:00:17:34 - 01:00:28:38 Unknown and. Yeah, but yeah, I mean, also, what was the question again? 01:00:28:42 - 01:00:55:23 Unknown I feel like I've sidetracked and so. Yeah, but yeah, you kind of answer that because the question was about, you know, all the varieties of things that you do at the venue. That it's not just solely music. So it attracts a variety of crowds as well. Yeah. And it's not just a singular music, as you said. You have, Midnight Magic. 01:00:55:23 - 01:01:23:13 Unknown Yeah. I'm really interested to go and do one of those. It's very fun. Yeah. I think I'm going to be reaching out. So. Yeah, it's it sounds like my kind of music. Yeah. See also like the techno. I mean, we're the kids of the 90s and the early 2000s. And that was like that was a massive part of our, you know, growing up that and, metal and punk rock and whatnot. 01:01:23:19 - 01:01:52:38 Unknown Yeah. So good and recently, I don't know if this is just through the, you know, going through different life phases and getting older, but I feel like I'm going back to those times I'm starting. Listen, listening. More of that music again. Yeah. And that will be definitely something like, oh, I would love to actually go and, you know, try to go for it. 01:01:52:38 - 01:02:35:24 Unknown Like I used to go to ministry, you know, we had a ministry in my, university town and, one of my best friends from uni, she was a massive, goer, and she, and she took me a couple of times. And every single time I had such a great night. And as you said, you know, drinking and certain behavior, certain things always come with venues like this, but not necessarily because I never had that experience, you know, which actually created this nice relationship between me and going out. 01:02:35:25 - 01:03:05:09 Unknown You know, it wasn't about drinking, it wasn't about drugs, and it wasn't about brawling. It was about a group of friends going out and dancing our asses off. Literally. I mean, that was literally it. Yeah, yeah. And I really craved and miss it. The, the the older I get. I miss the bus. I miss, you know, getting together with a friend somewhere else than just the coffee shop. 01:03:05:28 - 01:03:44:20 Unknown But I'm so grateful for a coffee shop. Of course. Oh, don't you see, that was another thing. Cause you. When that idea of creating household, began, you were also thinking about creating a very interesting concept coffee shop in Inverness. Yes. God, yeah. That was. Yes. Yeah. That was a, that was a while ago. Now I think 2021, as it was a group of us, I'm not sure if it would ever come fully to fruition if it would ever actually, you know, become something. 01:03:45:11 - 01:04:11:48 Unknown But the, the sort of idea at the time was, so sort of like taking inspiration from listening parts of, of, of, like London and Japan, I guess of, like putting a lot of time into maybe a, a really nice sort of custom sound system, and having two days play and of course, having this, food and drinks offer. 01:04:14:04 - 01:04:36:23 Unknown And I'd like to think that would sort of, that would have been good to be successful and to, being up here. But yeah. Yeah, that's I feel like if we had to, if we don't have to, it's I'm glad that we didn't do it, you know, just because I think at the time. Come on. 01:04:36:23 - 01:04:58:02 Unknown How young it was. I felt young anyway, but I still feel kind of young. The. Yeah. I'm glad. I'm glad we didn't pull through and and do it. And I think Covid sort of stopped that. And having that big break, I think for a lot of people sort of gave time to really sort of think about what was best for what we wanted. 01:04:59:24 - 01:05:30:27 Unknown But yeah, I mean, that's still on the cards. And I think the hospitality in my life in and out of anyway, of making coffee for a lot of it, and I really like this, so I really like the sort of creative aspects of, you know, making a cafe or a restaurant and combining it with music. And, was sort of, say loosely in the process of trying to combine a whiskey tasting with a live deejay set. 01:05:30:31 - 01:05:58:33 Unknown And I think that be quite cool and like, it's it's sort of, you know, it sounds so silly, I guess in a lot of ways it's like, oh, how can that how can that whiskey compliment or how can this music complement this, this, you know, a bit of whiskey and, but I feel like there is certain things that, you know, you can drink and, and maybe music doesn't like, really take it to that next step. 01:05:58:33 - 01:06:24:11 Unknown But I think there is, like, a compliment, you know, just like if you're sitting in a bar and having a drink and there's nice music playing, you know, that complements the experience. So, yeah, I like the idea of, you know, if I tasted or smelled the whiskey, I'm like, okay, cool. And I've just sort of like thinking like, what what sort of music would go well with that because of that, you know? 01:06:24:11 - 01:07:05:29 Unknown So, I don't know if that would happen, but yeah, the cafe thing, it was, Yeah. Room in that story, actually. Scary. Yeah. Yeah, I get young, young, enthusiastic. There's this room. So, you know, when I go. Yeah, it was well written. I loved it, you know, because, again, there is this drive that you had to create something different, create, you know, fill this void that is clearly there, you know, I was like, yeah, I can't wait to speak to this guy. 01:07:05:33 - 01:07:29:17 Unknown But but you're absolutely right. Is the is basically like what so many restaurants to, you know, this sensory experience. You know, it's taste is the sound. It's the environment that highlights. So pepper that like yourself like. 01:07:29:21 - 01:08:04:39 Unknown That versus having her own sensory experience. Right. So. This is the set. We're having a break for a little treat. What the truth is having this dog, she's having, lamb hemp seed, apple prime. Oh, yeah. Hemp seed definitely chills her out the but like, yeah I'm a I'm saying this is super interesting idea like whiskey and music and bus drinks like session drinking. 01:08:04:39 - 01:08:32:28 Unknown No session like a couple of glasses of that was whiskey. The radio had like, nice sipping whiskey was dry atmosphere outside as well. My home alone. Yeah. Yeah. That was it's magical. Yeah. Like and you don't some whiskey bar or whiskey shops or whiskey tastings that even think about. They think about like old tradition. Exactly. And songs or whatever. 01:08:32:28 - 01:09:01:20 Unknown Yeah. They do bagpipes or bagpipes, violins or these more whiskeys. A and very bound to tradition. Still, I think what makes something so nice and a feeling for everyone that yeah, it could be so fresh, could be so, you know, with the and it's still like so it's kind of strictly bound to these old like classic form of classic music, older kind of people. 01:09:01:24 - 01:09:52:44 Unknown And if it keeps bound to that it will start to slowly stop offending people for sure. Yeah. Is same with the music. You need to keep it interesting somehow, and it's as great as the live music venues. We've got this. I think it's amazing. Inverness. Big parts of the Inverness image is traditional city gates to the Highlands and you know, you know, like but is going on at a certain point they'll because again people going away from that as is a great thing to have diversity different idea bringing these like fuzing these these older stuff, this traditional whiskey made maybe in a more interesting way, drank in a more interesting way, not having like 01:09:52:48 - 01:10:10:04 Unknown not necessarily having just 67th years old around you, you know, like but having like these more vibrant, more people like you like is 35 or 20 or whatever. Like it's, it's I think it's a great live you you know what it is. It's like. 01:10:10:08 - 01:10:41:19 Unknown What you said there about Inverness being the gateway, you know, to the Highlands and having this tradition and like lately, especially like when you go through high street and whatnot, it's just sometimes I feel like we're just this tourist trap location and places like this and ideas like this really bridge the, the tradition to who we are. And, you know, people who live here, who we are culturally. 01:10:41:28 - 01:11:09:30 Unknown And Inverness has so many people that came here from so many different places all around the world. You know, you find people from New Zealand, from Australia, South in America, Northern America, all over the Europe, Far East, Asia, like wherever Middle East, you know? Yeah, everywhere. So many Africans started to come here and it is part of our culture now. 01:11:09:34 - 01:11:34:17 Unknown And if we keep forgetting it and just highlight the hardcore tradition, and they do like the hardcore tradition, but not all the time, as you said. So if we make it a little bit more hours, if we don't forget us as an element culturally, there is, I think, what you said, there is a chance that the people will start leaving. 01:11:34:18 - 01:12:03:43 Unknown You know, even the people who, like us want to make that bridge. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. So, you know, obviously you mentioned that before that the concept that you're running is not a great, a business. Yeah. Yeah. It's yeah. But it's, it's it's a great idea and I love it. And you've been doing it for a few years now. 01:12:03:47 - 01:12:18:01 Unknown Yes. Yeah. No, that's, I think, I said before household I was involved with another note. That's based up here. So that was. 01:12:18:05 - 01:12:56:00 Unknown Probably 2016, 2017. And then I had a year out, and came back, and yeah, from, from there really sort of it was a big interest, to sort of. Yeah. So, you know, creative freedom. Of being able to just like. And that's the biggest thing for me, probably out of all the, all the thing I love the most of the sort of like creative, it's just, you know, direction is just completely unlimited, really. 01:12:56:09 - 01:13:16:35 Unknown And you could just, you know, think of pretty wild, a wild idea and sort of run with it for a bit until it know that's absolutely bonkers. You can do that. Yeah. But there are times. So it's gone down a certain route and you're like, okay, this is actually really cool. So you just think of all these wild ways of promoting something and, and putting on the event. 01:13:17:19 - 01:13:43:38 Unknown But yeah. So after that I went to Australia for a year, you know, classic. And then came back and, and yeah, really rekindled, myself interest in events and stuff like that. And, and I think I was doing a little whitewater rafting as well at the time as a guide. That's a lot about my, my full time job. 01:13:43:44 - 01:14:32:35 Unknown And that was my love. My first, first sort of passionate passion. That job prospect was the rafting. And then, I can remember I think it was probably. It was. Yeah. And then of course, that household and then Covid hit at some point I in that time 2020 and then once. Yeah. Basically I was working at a test site and I had a lot of free time, or I felt like I did, and, and I was just like thinking, you know, I really, you know, there's nothing going on at the moment, so there's no events, there's no sort of an it's really quite tricky to listen to some music, loud music, 01:14:32:36 - 01:15:03:33 Unknown whatever it is. At that time, and Adam was literally household of he was teaching a lot and he kind of he said, like I said, sound and like tech. And I'm like, this dog is running out of battery. Sorry. It's kind like those nervous. Are you? Oh, you have a need to say hi to Ros, and she's next. 01:15:04:02 - 01:15:06:32 Unknown Oh, my God, 01:15:08:30 - 01:15:35:30 Unknown thoughts ready or the thoughts are ready. They're, Are they together? No. Yeah. I'll definitely need a mark for a nice, Well, you do have a mike. I can hear you perfectly well through that. Mike. Just switch it to the. It's a this is switched to all chant. I can hear you clearly if you want to ask. 01:15:35:30 - 01:16:05:22 Unknown Go. By all means. Know how I feel about that. It's a of the script, but just go. No, no. I'm fine. Oh, good. You don't want to go? Yeah. Sorry, Ross. It's a little less cool. No, no, not at all. Not at all. I think if it helps, I think, in the vibe of what we're doing, I think it's it's it's it's completely fine for the camera person to ask to ask a question. 01:16:05:26 - 01:16:34:10 Unknown If it works. That's why that's where we got it. I think it might be cool. No, that's what I was really interesting about. Like, it's it's for personal appearances about your like for experience or of, because you organize things, right. You pull people's people together. But you also do that, right? Yeah. You're there yourself before. Yeah. For for men. 01:16:34:14 - 01:17:04:31 Unknown Yeah. How? I don't know, I have not prepared anything. Just go. Yeah. Just as a question. Yeah. I'm very interested always about the creative part of it. Like, how do you approach it? How do you make your own music? Like what? Where do you tap into the like in terms of the inspiration? So is there a place or a something or even a place within yourself? 01:17:04:31 - 01:17:33:06 Unknown Like a lot of times comes either as you see something, oh, you get an inspiration or it's starting from inside you, just like, okay, I need to put these together. Yeah. No, it's, I think, with deejaying, it's it can it can just be a case of just, like, playing people's music, basically. And I don't do much like production stuff, so I just play essentially just play other people's music. 01:17:34:11 - 01:18:05:04 Unknown But I think it is the creative aspect for me comes from, creating an atmosphere, that obviously you like, and, you know, you look at the vibe and you can see it for me, I can see it, you can, you can like, see it, feel it. And, and then, the opposite of that is that you can also feel it when it's not a vibe, but an atmosphere is a bright. 01:18:05:08 - 01:18:36:21 Unknown And you can get that by going to parties or sometimes I'll nip out for whatever. But I used to smoke cigarets, secretly come back and, then come back into the party. You can just sort of be like, the vibes off, you know, it's change it up. I've got a different direction. So the creative aspect for me when I'm deejaying is sort of looking up and seeing people, and, you know, seeing the, the vibe, being enjoying it. 01:18:36:27 - 01:19:06:27 Unknown And then also you know, feeling like, oh, I think it's time to change the music up now. And I feel like I can see it like people's vibe or just general emotion. How the acting, you can kind of I mean, I just feel like, okay, cool. I could feel like if I was them and I've just listened to three tracks which were like quite hard, quite dark, and if I was dancing, then I'd be like, I'm cool. 01:19:06:27 - 01:19:33:45 Unknown I feel like I'm ready for something a bit more like, floaty and and luscious pads or synths, that euphoric sort of synths. Just to get people hooked on something again. And I guess it all comes back to that sort of journey, taking people on a journey. And when you're deejaying and stuff like that, which sounds really, I don't know. 01:19:33:45 - 01:19:54:00 Unknown I don't know how it sounds, but it sounds very pretentious or whatever, like, what are we actually doing? But there are definitely cases where, you know, people have come up to a I've come up to two days after a gig and be like, that was amazing. That was so good, because it's all becomes almost like one piece of music. 01:19:54:04 - 01:20:27:27 Unknown If you can really mix particularly well and, chooses tracks, well and good selection, then it becomes this like interesting, diverse kind of story. I guess people can sort of, you know, it's not just something I think is very fascinating as a form of art or creativity where you need to be, well, naturally empathetic as well. It's not just about, well, you obviously vibing. 01:20:27:27 - 01:20:49:18 Unknown You're young, obviously feeling it. Yeah, that stuff. But also being part of the room. I think that it's a great thing like that. I really like this theme of bringing people together, and I think it's a great reflection of that. Yeah, it's like being part there of the moment and vibing and tuning in. It's just Laura. It's it's yeah, it's great. 01:20:49:22 - 01:21:24:15 Unknown It's I think yeah, I think there's, there's two things to take away from that. Is that the deejay? Yeah. You could, you could tell when a party or deejay maybe isn't particularly great is I guess if it's just slam oh, whatever it is at, slamming it out and yeah, the crowd are kind of they're not in it and they're not five and yeah, they might be dancing, but they're not in it and they're sort of like maybe a lot of people are walking to the bar, walking to the toilet or walking for a cigaret and stuff, and it's you can just feel it. 01:21:24:16 - 01:21:54:36 Unknown It's just like it's not like a really fun, nice party in my opinion. Kind of completes the, the whole. The other second thing I was going to say that, but yeah, it's, yeah, it's Yeah. Do you like, do you cultivate that like you, you're born with it or you're like t like it's finely tuned. 01:21:54:36 - 01:22:16:28 Unknown You're, you're learning. I know, I think I think you're right. This sort of empathy thing like just being able to, you know, actually sort of a second point that was that has never meant but thank God I do that a lot is that the crowd are actually should be dictating where the music goes. You know, it's it's up to that the crowd to do that. 01:22:16:28 - 01:22:39:36 Unknown And that's a no. One really. I don't think people really think like that's a really important task, you know, for them. And they are the ones that are, essentially the navigators. And then you've got the driver of the TV, I guess, you know, that are in the front seat, you know, and by their actions, it's kind of like, okay, cool. 01:22:39:36 - 01:22:59:45 Unknown Well, I'm going to do this now. They're a bit lethargic people maybe, I've just been for a couple of hours, been good at it. Now it's time to just chill for a bit, and. And maybe you could see if you could tell if someone's, like, a little bit like, you know, maybe just sleek in the track, that maybe it's a little bit more frumpy than people might go for it. 01:22:59:45 - 01:23:21:47 Unknown It might not say, go for it. Okay, cool. I've got this track here, which is a bit more frumpy as well. And but if not, I bring it back to something a bit more chill. Okay. Sorry. Yeah. Just. You were saying sorry. It was, I completely forgot what you said at the end. That's. It's a very interesting thing to have. 01:23:21:48 - 01:23:54:06 Unknown I don't know if everyone's got it, you know, like, are you developing through experience or. It comes natural to. I think it probably it comes after a while. Comes naturally. Yeah. I don't I think it's cool. I feel like I've always been fairly one to, to, to sort of one even fit in and then to just like, make sure that people are trying a kind of comfortable ish around me. 01:23:54:10 - 01:24:15:39 Unknown And I guess that probably helps quite a bit. And then with the whitewater rafting, you know, doing that, you've got like new clients every day, but kids, older people, people from all sorts of backgrounds, every single day chat to them and they look they look up to you, obviously, because you're the guides, but you do sort of culture the. 01:24:15:43 - 01:24:40:11 Unknown So I nurture these relationships throughout the day. And at the end, you know, you do feel like a bit of a connection of that person or people in that boat that you spent five hours with you doing some big, big rapids and, you know, chatting about stories and chatting about the trip or whatever. And I think that's definitely helped the sort of music aspect of, of, yeah. 01:24:40:11 - 01:25:30:09 Unknown Being being aware of what, what people's sort of, you know, yeah. Vibe, I guess is, and, and sort of play on that and kind of be like, okay, I think, yeah. I mean, even when I've done bar gigs and deejaying and stuff like that. Scotch and rye, for example. Again, that's a really good sort of, bits of of, of honing that sort of skill, I guess, when it comes to deejaying, whatever, it's like, because you'll be trying to lock onto certain things, whether it be a foot tapping away, you know, someone that bubbling away, you know, or if someone's like, leaning in to chat to their friend, you know, okay, 01:25:30:09 - 01:25:48:03 Unknown maybe it's too loud. I'm gonna tie it down a bit. You know, or or if everyone's just, like, stiff, I'm just, you know, just because it's the wrong crowd. Or maybe this is just completely not what people want to hear, you know, it's, So there's lots of bits like that, a lot of. Yeah. Which is really interesting. 01:25:48:03 - 01:26:09:00 Unknown And that definitely interests me. Watson got into deejaying, stuff like that. So, so yeah, I think and yes, it's definitely something that people can work welcome. And I don't think I don't think, you know, I think they're born with it. I think there's certain personalities and aspects of who you how you are as a person that probably helps. 01:26:09:04 - 01:26:36:00 Unknown I'm sure, but because I mean, personally to like events with the house or like somewhere else or meet Germany, other places, right where there's more, like the DJ is a figure that food sounds funny. Foods. Right. You're suppose, as a person in the crowd, more to tune into what he's doing, right? You're going there for that, too? 01:26:36:06 - 01:26:59:06 Unknown Yeah. I think it's a fascinating aspect of the never actually ever consider. Right. These these. I'm reading the crowd. I'm reading how their body language, if they're hooked on this stuff, is a big it's great. Yeah. And probably something that yeah, I like that would be part of this new innovative approach to, you know, like bringing people together. 01:26:59:06 - 01:27:22:28 Unknown I think that fits perfectly. Yeah. Yeah we definitely sayers and as a household. Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah. I don't know that I'm not a deejay myself. I see your experience. Yeah. But yeah, it's a definitely an interesting. But yeah, it's like a conversation between the crowd and yourself almost. Yes, I get yeah. I guess so. Absolutely. 01:27:24:18 - 01:27:46:13 Unknown And that's, I mean, you go about like, going to a gig at a club night. Sorry. And, and, a data is just having a. Oh. And I think we were, there are times where I feel like that, Yeah. 01:27:46:17 - 01:28:32:28 Unknown So carry on. Yeah, absolutely. Okay, so we had we had our first podcast there, started, cleaning the Airbnb, which we rented and StarHub and singing from the. So like, okay, cool cool, cool. Yeah. So, cool. But yeah. No, the deejaying aspect, yeah, it's, it's, a really interesting thing. I think, again, much like the club itself and the promoters in the club, like, it's, it's the thing that maybe gets, sort of, you know, misrepresented in the fact that you can go to a bar or go to a really, you know. 01:28:34:23 - 01:28:54:15 Unknown Yeah. You go to a shitty club or whatever, and it's just like, slap on all of these tunes and it's just and, and it's a different sort of deejaying that for sure. But I just think that, yeah, it's a yeah, it's really the people more people should know about these because like me personally, again, I never considered this aspect any. 01:28:54:16 - 01:29:21:06 Unknown Something that is probably new like is nothing that I again, I'm not that kind of it was not that I'm huge on the scene. It's not that I'm always out when like a few years back, I was much more out. I never had like, that feeling, you know, like, so it's there you go. So I think that people can look forward to as well as being dynamic part of, of the night of the night rather than just being, it's good for people. 01:29:21:10 - 01:29:52:35 Unknown Yes. There, you know, like as well happening, you know, like it's now just like I'm going to listening to these tune that's like saying stone don't they'll do whatever they do and it creates more connection. Yeah. Definitely widen the perception of these events and night. It's great. Yeah. It makes you more of an active participant than just like someone who comes in, just enjoys the music, you know, just listens to the music. 01:29:52:35 - 01:30:14:45 Unknown You can actually mold where the night goes. Definitely. Yeah, 100%. It's, it's an active participation sort of event. Yeah. In the club and like that, you know, that aspect. Also, you go to a gig or you go to see a headline DJ, like the headline DJ is going to do that thing. Obviously you paid money knowing that they're going to do. 01:30:15:03 - 01:30:33:00 Unknown Yeah, I do same with gig as well. You know, you go to a live gig and they're going to play their songs because then you're going to be happy with that because you pay money to go see them play their songs. You know, it's but this is sort of, yeah. It's just, it's a different experience that you can have. 01:30:33:04 - 01:30:50:20 Unknown I'm not saying it's going to be. It's not going to the same every single event that you go to. There may be times where you feel like, oh, this just isn't my thing. For a club night or whatever, but, so I can't say that you come to a house of night and you'll be like, oh, this is if I. 01:30:50:22 - 01:31:25:13 Unknown If I keep dancing like this from left, then I just, like, start. In time on this, that that's where all you get to be like, oh fuck you change to change, change of seasons. Yeah. But it's. Yeah, but I definitely feel like, you know, and that's sort of what comes from, you know, in terms of, a unit of people, you know, or people that, are vibing to something and you know, you look up and it's like a whole dancefloor just dancing away. 01:31:25:17 - 01:31:55:34 Unknown It's a it's a nice feeling to be involved in that. That it's really it's not many places you can replicate that unless you go on like a march or something. So, you know, it's a or something similar, you know, to that. It's, yeah, it's a special sort of thing. What really interests me, you know, like we talked about that internal inspiration, where it comes from, but. 01:31:55:38 - 01:32:33:47 Unknown Doing something like this that's financially challenging many times as well. How do you keep going? Like where do you find that within yourself to keep with that mission, with your vision and everything that you want to achieve? This quote that how do I keep going. Yeah I think when just like anything. Well if you can see change happen love positive change and that in itself is enough to sort of keep your cracking on. 01:32:34:19 - 01:32:55:40 Unknown But doing it wrong I mean this this the dope. Yeah. We've had so many just definitely positive change since we first started when it was awful in terms of footfall and stuff. It was, you know, brutal. And, and that's when you sort of look, know, like, is this even worth it? What's the point in doing that? 01:32:55:44 - 01:33:22:07 Unknown You know, if no one's if no one actually likes it, let's say, yeah, this is a luckily with household and I was telling you about household sort of helping to sort of lay the foundations for upstairs. You know, we're really lucky that, we've had a good crew that come to those events quite a lot. So that was a really nice sort of, so, you know, to fall back on was just to know that. 01:33:22:07 - 01:34:06:06 Unknown Okay. Well, like, at least our party are still doing really well and people are enjoying them and getting good feedback and stuff like that. But yeah, to keep going, I think, yeah, it's the case of people that you hang around with who, sort of, you know, supporting you and making sure that, you know, that you are doing a good thing and that even though it's brutal and you've just done a string of events where from others, whether that be your own events or promotions, hiring the venue, it's been like really poor turnouts, you know, 1 or 2 people. 01:34:06:10 - 01:34:30:04 Unknown And, this is incredible. Really, really good. That that, I'd like. Yeah. The successful nights have definitely outweighed those nights and has been enough of those special occasions where you kind of were at the back of the room and you see a band just absolutely killer, and you're like, and the crowd is like, it's sold out. 01:34:30:04 - 01:34:50:37 Unknown And it's like really, really nice vibes. And you're like, no, okay, this is definitely a positive thing and a benefit to the community. So there's enough of those sort of special moments that have definitely kept me, going. And of course, the whole aspect of just like creative Freedom is that if something isn't working, so why is that working? 01:34:50:43 - 01:35:13:41 Unknown And then this is when the like, the fun bit comes in because you're just like, how can we make it work? What can we do to like, make this thing that's currently not like doing very well? How do you make it do better and come up with these sort of world? Lots of, well, but like, promotion or promoting things in different ways and stuff like that. 01:35:13:41 - 01:35:28:49 Unknown And yeah. So that's the. Yeah, that's pretty much. But but I mean, the other thing is like, it's just I just enjoy it. So yeah, I mean, that's definitely the biggest figure. I mean, I do enjoy a lot. 01:35:28:49 - 01:35:32:19 Unknown And, you know, you just reopened, right? 01:35:32:23 - 01:35:55:46 Unknown You've had like, January off. Yes, we had January of, which is great, but it's, January. It's like a weird sort of month where, you know, you know, I, sort of take some time off, and I just kind of feel like it's not, it's not particularly time off because it's just sort of. There's, like, such a few people. 01:35:55:46 - 01:36:32:32 Unknown It's like it's living cloud of work of of of you just being like, you know, you've got so much fucking shit to do, right? And it's and it's true because, you know, it's like, I'm definitely not the most organized person in the world. Unfortunately. But yeah, it's a, it's a lot of bookings, a lot of programing, you know, just even just the Friday side is themselves in November, December last year, the weekends within seven, eight events, you know, six of them being upstairs. 01:36:32:32 - 01:37:13:22 Unknown Yeah. It's like it was absolute the mental and that's not including household or garden parties or the tour market where we play that every Friday. You know, it's it was absolutely outrageous. So it's like a lot of stuff to do, for the whole year. And, and of course, we've just opened the new you had summer, which is also way more daunting and pressure, I think, for me, and that's how I feel, because it's, it's a bigger project and you want you personally want to put interest in interesting events. 01:37:15:08 - 01:37:42:19 Unknown With, with music that you think music you think people should listen to. But it's, but at the same time, you know, it's we've got to we've got to really make sure it sells well, basically go to make we as well. So it's and make money basically. So and mostly you know, so that we can be open in on the 12th of December with Pete and Diesel. 01:37:43:10 - 01:38:11:17 Unknown And that was it's the old red studio accessory. That's you've got, Suranga, Which is scotch out for the room, and then you've got, soundbar, which is, next to some, will be open, you know, and then Monday, it's Sunday, it's only Thursday. Sunday at the moment, which is giving us food and drinks of a lot of music these days on the weekend. 01:38:11:21 - 01:38:40:49 Unknown And then, next door is the main room. So I mentioned on the sort of main venue, 450 K standing venue, perfect size for a place like this. You know, one works is a 1000 cat. It's quite a big space to fill. And, and so. Yeah. So it's 450 and you can sort of if you have 200 people in there, you know, it's, it's not bad. 01:38:41:41 - 01:39:06:11 Unknown But yeah, natural progression of local music is sort of notion for Covid. But by these venues being like the way it is, they've got tooth and claw and upstairs to have those like some cat upstairs is 120 and then you've got that progression after you've played those gigs you can go to and smoke. 01:39:08:02 - 01:39:43:16 Unknown Yeah. So what are the things that you're looking forward to for this year. Like what is the you know. Yes. So this year I am looking forward to seeing where upstairs goes. You know, I think I'm looking forward to if there was. Yeah. Funding available for upstairs, like, just how much that would. How much? I mean, a small amount of money could really go for upstairs as a venue. 01:39:44:26 - 01:40:07:01 Unknown You know, we've got some really interesting promoters putting events on that on the live music. So this is the second year that we've really, really been operating like a proper music venue with gigs and club nights and, and also trying to match what's under the pedestal and stuff. And before we quickly recap, because we've been talking forever. 01:40:07:01 - 01:40:11:04 Unknown Oh, no, you have to come back at some point. 01:40:11:08 - 01:40:39:42 Unknown It's a requirement that, tell us where people can find you or where people can find about your event. Yes, sure. So, so upstairs, unless it's the venue, the minutes. So you can check, on the website or Instagram, Facebook, all the rest of it, household and midnight Magic club nights. I run a play at the venue, but also do other events, and you can get some Instagram or through upstairs. 01:40:40:47 - 01:41:02:20 Unknown And I'm sure some, you can find all the events through the website, social media as well. It's kind of Facebook. All the usual spots. But so in this, in this Instagram. So when the, when it's rock cycle dance and as well we'll be, you'll be able to find it there as well. 01:41:02:24 - 01:41:26:12 Unknown Amazing. And we'll link every single member website as well. So. Oh thank you everyone for starting this new season of Stay Afloat. Thank you. It's been, really good. And, yeah, I'm very excited to see where this goes next. You know, like 5 or 6 months. Well, and we can't wait to have you back at some point for updates. 01:41:26:12 - 01:41:40:16 Unknown Six books. They have a great. Yes. Yes. Thank you. Yeah. For this year, seeing you as well. Yeah. In the card that's in the cards. But you. Oh, shoot. 01:41:47:41 - 01:41:52:31 Unknown No. 01:41:52:35 - 01:41:58:31 Unknown You. 01:41:58:31 - 01:42:08:40 Unknown looks like we'll have a lot of my share of light right? Amazing. Thank you so much. Not a film like I said, some.