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Today I've got with me Justin Tinto and

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Matt Huckings here to talk about

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their upcoming movie , awakening

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Let's go Happy days . Well , thank you very much

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, Matt , for having us .

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How do you become a stuntman ? Because I

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think for me it must be the most exciting and glamorous

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job . I do remember being a kid

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at school . I think it's probably the earliest lie I

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ever told . I

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remember when we were talking to our friends about where we were going to go to for , you know , for

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our next school . This is like like I was 11 plus or something , at the time which

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I thought where do we go when we're 13 , and

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some friends were going to this school and some were going to that school

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, I used to say , yeah , I've been applying for stunt

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school and I'm going to go there and learn

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this out the other .

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So that is definitely the earliest like I remember telling

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it's so weird I completely agree every time

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you try and pull a girl when you're 12 or 13 . What do you want to

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be when you're older ? What you do ?

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I want to be a stuntman , yeah it's uh , but I mean

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, how do you go and do it ? I mean , do you just start off

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in , I guess , being being fit and

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uh , fit and active and dangerous , and it's

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, it's a , it's a very um .

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It's exciting I did it for three years

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but you know it's

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not . It's not the kind of James Bond

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stunt world that you think . You know a lot of it . 80

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, 90% of the time is health and safety . You

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know you're not used . You're protecting other people

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, essentially from different areas and different

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. You know performances you're doing , but you know

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the 10 , 20% of sword fighting

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and falls and fire burns . All that's quite

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fun , but it's dangerous .

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But how do you actually get into it ? Do you

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kind of go to the movies and offer a skill

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set so I know how to sword fight ?

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I fell into it . I got into a core

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group of a team just before a stunt

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team called Special Action Unit , which

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I was just able to learn

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how to sword fight

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and I had the acting experience as well , which is part of filming

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selling the fact of being hit

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. But to actually be officially registered on the stunt register and I had the

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acting experience as well , which is part of filming selling the fact of being hit , but you do a to actually be officially registered

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on the stunt register . You got to pass six out

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of 12 courses and they're quite intense . It's

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like skydiving , horse riding

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, swimming , car

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racing , all this kind of stuff . So that's one area , the

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area I fell into . I worked really

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closely with the stunt team and I just got given

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jobs on the next film , on the next film . Every time I did a film okay

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, do you want to do a fire ? Burn this film

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, Matt . Do you want to do some falls at a window ? It

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just came and grew and grew and then you do wire

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work and different stuff , but 89% of

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the time it's health and safety , but the other 10%

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is really fun , some cool people

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. I could do the swimming . No no no

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, you wouldn't Swimming is so tough . Swimming's

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the hardest , swimming's the cheapest one

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to pay for and do the skill it's the

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hardest , unless you're , like you know , borderline

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a professional swimmer . It's so hard . What could a

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top stuntman earn ? I

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mean , look , I don't mind saying at one point I

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was getting two grand a day . Sometimes . I

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mean the other guy , the other guys that were more specialized

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, working you know closely with some

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of the high cast , were three , four or five grand a

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day . And then you do add-ons . So

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if you you're hired as a day rate

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, if you ask , if you get asked to then do a specific

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sort of skill , like a wire work or

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a specific move , you get paid add-ons

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for that and is there ever anything where

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it's almost like like a bespoke price

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because it's the most ridiculous and dangerous thing

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?

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sure , or ? But the follow-up

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to that I was going to say or does that never happen from because

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of health and safety ? They would . They would just never allow

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a situation where death is almost

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guaranteed .

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Um , I mean , look , I've , I've had some friends

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of mine that are in wheelchairs the rest

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of their life and it's it's dangerous . But I've also

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got friends of mine who you know a

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bungee jumped , which they've done . I worked with a

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guy that bungee jumped at Golden Eye from the Bond

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film 25,000 every

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time he did that . He did that 3 or 4 times and

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that's not dangerous , essentially because he's bungee

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jumped so many times . And another

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friend of mine did the Assassin's Creed jump Damien

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. He jumped off the building in Assassin's

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Creed . It was like a free fall . So

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those is where you get , you know , the big , the big

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ticket items . Or you work really closely

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with a , with a high cast member , um

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, but it's fun , it's fun so

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how do you go from stuntman actor

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to making movies of your own ? stunts

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I I got to a point

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where it was like , right , do I continue

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this and move into a very specific

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area of stunts ? I

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was really good with the sword fighting , the reactions

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and falls and different stuff that . Do I continue

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that and work in that area ? Or

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do I go back to my original love , which was the acting

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, and I felt like I'd learned a lot working

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with loads of different types of people . I worked with , you know

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, angelina jolie , tom cruise . I've worked with loads of really

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, really cool sense and

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I just went stop , let's go back

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to what I love . So I set up my own production company

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, started acting , making my own short

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films , and then that led to feature films

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and so on .

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And when you set a production company up , do you know

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what you were doing back then , or are you kind

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of learning on the job and reading a book ?

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Yeah , just learning on the job . You know some

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of the short films I did , starting out I

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was , I was the actor . I was then jumping

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in and doing sound while the other actor was jumping

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in . You know putting everything together . It's bringing

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people together . You know , hiring

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people different , different casts and then writing the scripts

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and different stuff like so just I

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saw an opportunity to be in control of everything I do

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rather than just relying on someone else .

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content , and I'll see you

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on a future episode . Who are some of the biggest actors you've worked with when

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it's been your own production ?

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I mean the last film was the biggest

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achievement . You know , it was a boxing film called

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Prizefire . I wrote it , I produced it

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, raised the finance and

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played the lead role in it and it was with Russell Crowe

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and Ray Winston . But in the

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stunt world I mean lots

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of people I did , like you know , everything

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from Maleficent to Snow White and the Huntsman with Chris Hemsworth

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, did loads of stuff with Ridley Scott , tom

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Cruise , edge of Tomorrow . That was fun . It was a tough

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gig but fun . Yeah , just

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loads .

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The Marvel films did a couple on the

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second Avengers in London , so

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I just recorded a podcast this morning with

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an XF1 mechanic actually , and

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he was a senior mechanic at McLaren , and

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we were talking about how

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I guess how to build a great team

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, you know , attention to detail and

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pulling all those people together , and also

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where I guess where

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the driver sits in the

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whole hierarchy as well . Because you know , we were talking about business

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analogies and I

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was saying you know who is the driver

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Because I guess in business terms you

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know terms he's not the CEO because he's not running

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things and he's not really

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a member of a team , he's almost a client . And

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when I was coming here to do this now , I thought there's

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probably some similar analogies when you talk

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about putting a movie together , that there

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are . When you look at the F1 team , because it's

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a cast , both on screen and

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off screen , cast of tens , hundreds , thousands

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sometimes , depending on the movie

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you can have some very big egos

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at play , sometimes

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with the actors , and I guess how

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does everybody work around those people ? I

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mean , do those actors do some of

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the more problematic ones ? Do they really

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try and run the show and disrupt everything ? Or

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do they learn and understand that , look , you're paid to do a job , shut

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the fuck up . Yeah , you know , I'm in , I'm the director

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, I'm the producer . You are paid to do a task

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it's a great question .

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You know it's exactly . You know film industry is like any

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other business . You're hiring mechanics , you're

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hiring people to feed you , you're hiring hotels . You're

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working in all these different types of industries and

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it's I always say this it's incredibly

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difficult to get a film off the ground and then it's a miracle

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to make something very good

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, because what you're doing is you're putting a group of people together

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who don't know each other . They're

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going to spend 12 , 14 hours a day . They've

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got to like each other , they've got to work together and

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that's all got to work and gel

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. So

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then another group of people in front of the camera can perform to their best ability

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, and then the director of the film to be able to

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put all that together and make it good . And then you've got the background

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of the financiers and and producers

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who are trying to manage the money with

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the creative and all this kind of stuff . And it's just

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, it's a , it's a miracle . I mean it's people laugh

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at it , but it's like it's . To produce

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really good film , you've got to have all those things

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singing . You can have the best script in the world and the best story in the world

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, but if an actor turns on set and

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he's just a bit of a dick . That's

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the film . And if the director has a

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break down or something

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goes wrong , that's the film , because he's deciding all

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the shots . So it's incredibly difficult , and

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this is why I understand when you hear about Steven

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Spielberg and Ridley Scott . They work with all the same people and

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they've done that for 30 , 40 years .

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The same . Behind the scenes , people yeah all the same people

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.

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Tom Cruise he's had the same producing

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partner , female since the first Mission Impossible

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. And there's a reason behind that because you can't

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afford to risk . You

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know , you've got 40 , 50 days , a couple of months

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of shooting . It's got to all work out . If

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something goes wrong , that

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costs you a lot of money . So it's like you know

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. And that's not to include weather

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or anything else that comes into play . So it's

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difficult and you've got to have a head . Normally

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, the producer , the lead producer

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, will be very selective on who they hire and

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they're in control . The lead producer will be very

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selective on who they hire and they're in control

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. The director's in control of the set and the actors . And you hope that

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you work with some good actors because they could just turn it around .

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What's more important , an amazing script or an

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amazing cast . If you could only pick one or the

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other , god we've had lots of conversations about this , haven't

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we ?

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We have .

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Because my layman's view it's

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got to be an amazing script

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. I just think of some of the things I like a

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lot of the BBC-type dramas

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. I'll tell you what I'm into at the minute .

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Harlan Coburn or whatever he's called .

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He's the author who has a lot of things made

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into Netflix movies , netflix

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series and

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most of his stuff . I'm not going to say that utterly unknown actors , but it's certainly

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not A-list cast , but never . Are you

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looking at the talent , you're thinking , my God

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, this story is absolutely gripping

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. I mean , I would imagine from the movie world

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. Getting a big-name

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actor is the difference between getting

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distribution and not getting distribution , for example

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. But I mean to me , if you've got the distribution

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, the story has to be more important than the

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foundations of a script is always the most important .

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But it is the foundation right . You , you make . I always

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say you make a film three times . You have a script

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which is one film , then you actually make the

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film that becomes a second film and the

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editing and post-production is another film and

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then you've got to hope distributors love

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that film and then and then audience right . So you

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go through a variation of like different

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films you're essentially making . But it

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really depends . You can have a vision . I always say the story about

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gladiator . Gladiator , when gladiator first started

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it was like a 28 page script , like

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that would never get made on

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any any realm , you know , especially

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in today's sort of climate . But

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because ridley scott was behind it and

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you had russell crowe , they

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made an absolute classic . But

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28 pages on a on a , you know , two hour

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film is not complete . It was all disjointed

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, it wasn't . They didn't know what they were doing how many

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pages when it finished ? well it was , it

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would have been , you know , 120

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pages .

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So they just kind of added and tweaked , just added

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and tweaked .

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So so you know , in in our world of independent

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filmmaking and we're not a studio that's that's

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just got tons of money we

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have to get the script right because that

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script being perfect gets

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you your , your high level cast

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, which then you hope will deliver off

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the back of the script . If a studio has a , you

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know , a poor script , but they've

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got guy richie directing it , it's still

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going to be good . You know he's going to make it good

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. So , just again , it's like you know

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swings and roundabouts , what , what you have

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. But the script for me is always like the most

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important thing , because then you start

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with the foundations . It's like building a house right . If you start

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with the right foundations of cement

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and the right bricks , then the house is

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going to be good so how is

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the first draft of our conspiracy

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theory movie then ?

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You sat here with my good friend

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.

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Justin , the king of conspiracy

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theories .

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He wanted to wear a mask you know like an anonymous

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mask .

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Happy days . Well , matt certainly knows all about

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the conspiracies . I've converted

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him over the years .

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He's taking a couple of hours out of his busy schedule

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sending me conspiracy

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reels and conspiracy memes . I've

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got a backlog of them still to go through on Instagram .

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But you always promise that you do go through them , don't you ? I do look

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at some of them . I do look at some of them .

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So where did the premise of this movie come about ? And have

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you always been an anti-Matrix

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conspiracy theorist ?

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No , not at all . I was totally fixed

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in the Matrix . I was plugged in . I

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was plugged in like a lot of people , and I want to thank a lot of people

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that

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have realised what the Matrix is by spreading

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the word , because otherwise I would have still been plugged in

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. But yeah , it was a very gradual

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process over the years over the last eight years

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for myself and realising about things

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that I used to take for granted that

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weren't exactly the same , the way that

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they're presented , and

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when you start going down the rabbit hole , you start realizing

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that more and more of the , the conspiracies

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or you'd want to call it the truth is

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real . And after

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a while , when you've gone down the rabbit hole

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far enough , you do see how they all connect

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. And then you

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also discover other people that really

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believe it and understand it , and almost

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it's like it's another language . When you communicate

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with people that are of

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the conspiracy nature , you

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don't actually have to say a lot of things

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for people to understand , which is wonderful , because

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when you're trying to convince

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or tell people stories that

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seem so far-fetched that

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the world is this way rather

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than that , I

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knew you were going to get that one in there , straight

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in there , with his hands like this he's

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talking like to the others do

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you know what ?

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I agree with him on some things . It's so weird . But the only

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thing I debunk him on is the flat earth oh

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, straight in .

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This is the first interview lads , first

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interview straight in the deep end . Yes , it's

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flat , it is flat , 100%

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it is flat .

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Tell me though , if this big conspiracy

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exists , if all these very powerful

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, very rich , you know international people are pulling

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everything together , what

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change do you think you , or anyone else for that matter

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, can really enact ?

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Well , that's the real thing about the film Awakening

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One man can make a difference

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. Every single person who

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realises doesn't play along anymore

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. And if everyone stands up and realises

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it's not how the's how it's , uh , how

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the world is portrayed , then they

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will have to stop because we're not going to play in their

14:44

game anymore . And there's plenty of people like

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andrew tay and , uh , you know

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many , many more , um , you know , david

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ike and all the other people who used

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to be called crazy now have a massive

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following of people that think they're heroes

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and ultimately they took the risk

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of making themselves look fools

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and making themselves look ridiculous . But

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ultimately now people are realizing

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, with what we've just gone through , which we've gone through

15:08

a pandemic or should we call it a plandemic

15:10

that's made people realize

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that maybe , well , what's happened with covid

15:14

, for example ? Oh , it's just disappeared , has it ? You

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know that sort of thing ? Um , people realize

15:19

that , uh , people's health have been affected

15:22

by certain , uh , you know , non-tested

15:24

trial , um shots and

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um , and and it's affecting

15:30

people's lives but who ?

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who do you believe ? Then ? And notice

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, I say , who do you believe ? Not , who is um

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? Who do you believe actually

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knows about these things in

15:42

, let's say , in governmental settings ? So

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if we , if we take the uk for , for simplistic

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sake , you know , we've got a government with politicians

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, we've got organizations like , let's

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say , mi5 or mi6 or local

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councils , uh , you know all with

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these , these government type people , in that you

15:58

know all roads lead back up to

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somewhere . How many of

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those people do you think are part

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of this plan or are actually aware

16:07

of what's going on ?

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Well , it's a very difficult question

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because it's a very famous question that people ask

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that , because I

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would say that there's groups , there's

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definitely wealthy families , there's obviously the people

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that own the Federal Reserves , you know the

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Rothschilds , rockefellers all that sort of stuff .

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But take the Prime Minister . I mean , do you believe

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that the Prime Minister ?

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I'm not saying .

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Rishi Sunak but are we saying that every single

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Prime Minister is

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a puppet in some plan . Absolutely , he knows who the

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big boss is Absolutely 100%

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.

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Of course he does .

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In every country .

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No , well , that's when it goes into

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the areas of the World Economic Forum and

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the Cloud Swabs

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gang and about the young

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global leaders . And I would

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believe that the young global leaders of the World

16:55

Economic Forum , who are presidents and prime

16:57

ministers who have been affecting the

16:59

world in a certain way , are

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obviously in the know and they have their

17:04

agendas . And it's not the same as what the

17:06

people's agenda is . And the people's

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agenda is to be free and to be able to move

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and to be able to spend their money where they like

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and to not be controlled . And

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that's where the systematic problem

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is is the fact you can't just say , oh

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it , you know it goes into a big complication

17:23

of it's a web of a web . You know , as david

17:25

ike speaks about , um , you

17:27

know there's circles within circles of

17:29

people , but there's a lot of people that are

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in in power that , um

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, I would say are weak people

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, are introverted and are happy just

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to regurgitate what their

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masters tell them , just to be able

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to fit in . Because we know very well , if your face

17:44

doesn't fit in these organisations , you're out , and

17:47

the news shows that and highlights that

17:49

very clearly .

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But what do you think these higher powers , these wealthy

17:52

families , what do you think their end game is ? I

17:55

know , sometimes I ask people this and they say you

17:57

know , when it's money it's total control

17:59

. I know , obviously this isn't my area

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of specialist subject , but you know my

18:03

simplistic view will be , if you play

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it through to the end with let's

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, uh , let's say , um , digital

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controlled currency or um

18:13

, you know , climate agendas . Climate

18:15

agendas keep keeping people stuck in regional

18:17

areas , etc . I mean , the end

18:20

product me sounds

18:22

almost as shit for the powers

18:24

that be as the people in it . As

18:27

much as I'm the non-powerful

18:29

person , I don't want to be confined

18:31

to my five-metre radius with my

18:33

special UK

18:36

cryptocurrency that I'm not allowed to spend . I

18:38

don't want that . But I also think if

18:40

I'm a powerful person , I

18:42

don't really want the other people doing that either .

18:47

How do ? I meet my birds , they'll still live

18:50

their existence and they'll still be free . They'll still

18:52

be able to drive around , they'll still be able to eat meat

18:54

, they'll still be able to not

18:57

eat bugs , they'll be able to travel

18:59

, they'll be able to spend their money and they'll have more and more

19:01

control .

19:02

But how can they spend their money ? If no one else

19:04

can spend their money , how

19:06

can they spend their money ?

19:09

Or are you saying that they'll be able to ?

19:10

use cash .

19:12

No , they've just got the complete control

19:14

, haven't they ? They

19:18

don't have the same rules as the

19:20

normal people do

19:22

they ?

19:23

That's the main thing . This is what's great about the film , because , obviously

19:25

, in this kind of world

19:27

of making the film , justin's wrote the film as

19:29

well and in this kind

19:31

of world of making the film , justin's wrote the film as well and in this kind of world of creating

19:33

this conspiracy-esque theory , you're going to have audiences

19:36

torn on both sides . They're going to be interested

19:38

in it because of the conspiracy theory side . Some

19:40

people will absolutely believe it and get behind

19:42

it , and then others won't and they'll

19:44

just it'll cause a . We

19:47

say in the film world if you're going to create any

19:49

kind of , it cause a . You know , we say in the film world , if you're , if you're going to create

19:51

any kind of , it's not really good or bad press . It's it's opinions and discussions

19:53

, and this is why this film is quite . You know

19:55

, it's what . What attracted me about it , other than being

19:58

friends with just and knowing him , it's the fact that I actually

20:00

, if this is done right and well , it

20:02

will cause a lot of discussions , especially online

20:04

and different things .

20:05

You know and what's the story ? Can you tell

20:07

us ?

20:08

well , um , well , awakening

20:10

is the journey is a conspiracy thriller

20:12

, obviously , of a journey of jason

20:15

reynolds , who is a boxing

20:17

coach , who has parents that

20:19

are very conspiracy based , and

20:21

he has rejected conspiracy all his

20:23

life . But ultimately , through the

20:25

hearing of a certain code words

20:27

, he gets discovered and

20:30

ends up going

20:32

down a path where he

20:34

realized that there is a global cabal that

20:37

are trying to take total control over the world

20:39

through creating a one world

20:41

government , and he then obviously

20:43

is becomes their main target , and

20:45

when he becomes their main target , it ends

20:48

up being rather like a sort

20:50

of adjacent born . Will he be able

20:52

to , uh , save the world ?

20:54

very v for vendetta in that sense , very v for vendetta

20:56

and it's interesting because then it taps into

20:58

some of the other conspiracy theories which I'm

21:00

I'm interested in , like jfk

21:02

and a few other things . There's quite a few

21:05

elements to like historic conspiracy

21:07

theories that have been out there as well , rather than just covid

21:09

, you know , because covid is kind of . You know

21:12

, I kind of agree with justin on covid . It's a bit like

21:14

, you know , it's gone and it's like

21:16

it came and went and well , from a conspiracy

21:18

perspective .

21:19

I mean , what did they achieve in covid other

21:21

than everyone having a shit year ?

21:23

well , during covid . First of all

21:25

, it was the largest transfer of wealth from the middle

21:27

class to the upper class . You had all the

21:29

little shops that had to

21:31

close down and

21:34

the big conglomerates came in and took

21:36

over . That was financial

21:38

.

21:39

I'd have to argue a bit against that . There you

21:41

go , Because .

21:44

I mean without oversimplifying

21:46

.

21:47

I mean I don't know many people who didn't

21:49

make money during covid just because

21:51

they were dishing money out left right . I mean I

21:54

agree with you that like you know the big

21:56

money people , your zuckerbergs , your bezos

21:58

, etc . Yes they , they went

22:00

absolutely wild . But like I look

22:02

at , let's say , the man on the street

22:04

who owns a local pub this

22:06

shit pub that's , that's never traded , it

22:09

doesn't do any trade where he's probably lost 500

22:11

quid a week , you know for the for the last , you

22:13

know last , god knows how many years , and he's

22:15

just by ducking and diving he's even kept the place

22:17

up alive .

22:18

He got a grant for this and a bounce back

22:20

loan for that and I mean which he has to

22:22

pay back for , and so they're part of the control

22:24

, and that's the debt system that we're plugged into but

22:27

then okay .

22:28

But then there's all the people who took bounce

22:30

back loans to buy crypto , and rolexes

22:32

and porsches aren't paying them back . That are just , you

22:35

know , bumping them off and would

22:37

you call them the middle class ?

22:38

probably I'd say the upper middle class

22:40

. Who ? Who you know buying digital ? You know

22:42

digital currencies and buying watches

22:44

and things like that . I'm talking about , you

22:47

know the , the average man on the

22:49

street , you know .

22:50

But the interesting thing , about that which you can I

22:52

could go one step further is that some of some

22:54

of really big businesses closed , so

22:57

they didn't benefit so it's like which one

22:59

? if it's all , if it's all controlled from

23:01

the top , that's to control the , the

23:04

normal people , the , the working class

23:06

and middle class . But then some of the huge businesses

23:08

closed . You saw like transfer , for I think it

23:10

was one of like . Was it like not the rich

23:12

most like one of the big companies you

23:15

know , shut down because they just , they

23:17

just collapsed during COVID .

23:19

Well , it wasn't just financial , it was also the fact

23:21

that pharmaceutical companies

23:23

. They've obviously benefited and

23:31

from obviously the proof that we've realized that there's a lot of myocarditis from from taking

23:33

the vaccines and the vaccine injuries and there's many , many people talking about that . I don't need to

23:35

go into too much detail . But well , what

23:37

they found in the actual vaccines , you know that's

23:39

, you know the HIV that allowed the

23:41

lipid particles to go in for the

23:43

cells to be able to create spike protein

23:45

. That we're all actually producing , spike protein , which is

23:47

covid . Um , there were case

23:50

studies and case studies that knew that

23:52

, um , it's going to cause injuries in

23:54

the future and lower everyone's immune systems

23:56

. So the more vaccines that they've had , the lower

23:58

the immune system . So who's that grateful ? That's great

24:00

for the pharmaceutical companies , isn't it ? So

24:02

, um , there's going to be people that are

24:04

iller , they're sicker and they

24:06

you know people are just dying . I mean , we just ignore

24:09

. You know what is it ? 120 athletes

24:11

, sports athletes , footballers , that are just dropping

24:13

down in the middle of a sports game , like

24:15

that's the normal , normal thing ? It certainly wasn't

24:17

, but the you know the same people that control

24:20

the pharmaceutical companies and the same people

24:22

that control , um , you know why

24:24

control the government , or , you know , are

24:27

the same people that control our media . So this is

24:29

why , when I said to you at the start

24:31

um , when you go down the conspiracy road , you

24:33

realize that it's all connected and that's even

24:35

is goes back to your flat earth , because the reason

24:38

why they lied about going to the moon why

24:41

, they lied about , about . You know

24:43

, the world's a round spinning ball and we're

24:45

spinning through infinite nothing . Because it

24:47

takes away us from the creator , from us being

24:49

able to control our own destiny , and

24:52

also faking the blue marble . And that's

24:54

why , when they went up to the moon and

24:57

they took a picture of it , they

24:59

had to create some kind of vision

25:01

which was the same as the Paramount's I

25:03

think it was Paramount's globe picture of 1929

25:07

.

25:08

So they even knew what the globe was going to look like before

25:10

it actually came out so this is what's great

25:12

, because I can sit here now and kind of softly

25:15

agree with him on the COVID side . You know

25:17

I have my own opinion on that and you know

25:20

he's right sort of . I

25:22

think I watched something and saw research on Canada

25:24

. The age

25:28

has always gone up in Canada since like 1973

25:31

. It's just constantly . You know everyone's

25:33

been living longer since 1973

25:35

and then in 2020 or when covid started

25:37

or just after covid sorry , it was the only

25:39

year that's ever gone down and people are relating

25:41

that to having the vaccine . That's like

25:43

I can , I can go on that and go okay , that's fine . Obviously

25:46

the flat earth thing is is different , because I'm I

25:48

. I then tap into science and think

25:50

, well , wait there , we've measured the earth , we've seen

25:52

pictures of it from space . We've got like

25:55

there's like ten days nasa yeah , but there's

25:57

like 10 days and people know that are up in space

25:59

at one time that can see they're

26:01

not .

26:02

I mean , I guess that's the thing that

26:04

it's like doing it's hard to

26:06

believe . You don't believe anything , do do you . I

26:08

mean , you know like .

26:09

Yeah , but .

26:11

But where do you draw the line ?

26:13

Exactly .

26:15

You'll say everything can

26:17

be seen from space . You'll say well , nasa

26:19

are lying .

26:21

Have they got the Hubble telescope zooming

26:24

back down , showing all the people in Australia

26:26

? You know dangling upside down when

26:28

we're in a plane and we're going to Australia . We

26:31

ended up being upside down . And how about if you dug a hole all the way through the earth

26:33

and then how are you going to end up coming up the other way

26:35

at end ? Are we split , flip round

26:37

? You know , look , be honest with you . You know the

26:39

flat earth is- .

26:44

But you would hit a wall . You would just hit a wall if

26:46

the world is flat .

26:48

The world is flat and we can only go nine . It's

26:52

like the world is flat and you will listen

26:54

to me .

26:55

Okay , look at me , look at me , we're

26:57

not spinning it .

26:58

The flat Earth isn't suspended in space , so

27:01

we have a 300 Antarctic

27:04

ice wall surrounding us , and that's why we can't

27:06

go to the Antarctic Circle . And the

27:08

reason we can't go to space is because we're not allowed

27:10

, why we can't go to the Antarctic Circle . And the reason we can't go to space is because we're not allowed , because you can't really get out .

27:13

There's certain things you can't dispute , and science

27:15

and data and numbers are very like . You

27:17

know they exist throughout the whole of the universe

27:20

. You know the fabric of the universe

27:22

and the speed of light and everything that for

27:24

me like but you don't feel

27:26

like you're moving , do you ?

27:27

Even just to use your own , you see the

27:29

sun changing size with your

27:31

own eyes . Massive , one minute , then it sets tiny

27:34

. If that's 30 million , 29 million miles

27:36

away , what would happen ? Why would

27:38

it change size ? It would have no effect . Even if

27:40

we moved thousands of miles , it

27:42

wouldn't change as a percentage , would it ? So the sun

27:44

, actually , you can actually go . The sun looks like that

27:46

and then it goes like that . So how is that ? How does

27:48

that work ? But let's , this

27:50

is about awakening . This is

27:52

about awakening .

27:53

Let's talk awakening , but let's just put one thing there you

27:55

say that the powers that be control the media

27:58

. So how ? How are you going to get this

28:00

distributed ? I mean , what's stopping these powers that be

28:02

looking at this film and say , hang on a minute

28:04

, we don't want that message out there . We control the

28:06

media . We're going to pull it well , that's .

28:08

I mean , that's exactly the reason why you know this . This

28:10

film is kind of the film

28:12

that you know it's in

28:14

the tagline , it's the film that nobody wanted wants to

28:16

make . It's the film that that no distributor will

28:18

get behind and back . And quite often

28:20

those films that get made like that are the other

28:22

breakouts . You know , you just saw that with sign of freedom . There's

28:25

been other films like that that haven't been financially

28:28

that was showed for four years , wasn't it ?

28:30

yeah ?

28:30

yeah , you know films haven't been financially backed

28:32

because they don't want to . You know

28:34

they don't . It's just a risky , risky thing

28:37

to make . Luckily from our side , you know we

28:39

have the finance , we're in control of it

28:41

. We're not at the helm of a

28:43

studio or a streamer as of yet

28:45

. You know if , if netflix come on board later

28:47

on and love this and wanna pump this out everywhere

28:50

, that's great . But

28:52

we've got our own finance . We're

28:54

gonna market it in the right way . And

28:56

, like I said , that's the main reason for

28:58

making something like this , because otherwise it

29:00

will never get made , because no one wants to

29:02

take the risk on making something like this . And

29:04

this is why it's interesting to me , because I'm kind of like let's

29:07

see what , see what happens with it and millions

29:09

of people believe it .

29:11

So this is like yeah , and they will want to

29:13

share it as well like you just said , people believe

29:15

it . There's a lot of people out there that that you

29:17

know and you're asking me , ask me

29:19

the question what difference can I make ? One person

29:21

can make a difference , and that is .

29:23

You'll see it in the film well

29:26

, that's like the finish line can

29:28

you do that again , jesper go so

29:32

you know , the exciting thing about this is we're

29:35

filming this podcast now .

29:36

We're going to be making the film in the next couple of months . We're

29:38

fully financed , we've got our cast , we've

29:42

got our production company . We're making it in London and

29:44

I think the , you

29:47

know , by the time people watch this and start

29:49

seeing this , they'll start seeing the , the build-up

29:51

of the , of the story , and we're going to sort of

29:53

trickle it out through the stage

29:55

of production into post-production as well

29:57

, and a key part of it is the marketing

29:59

. And you know , now we have such a advantage

30:02

over previous stuff because you can jump on podcasts

30:04

, things can go viral , people can pick

30:06

things up , people , people can do their own research and

30:08

explore . So that's that's exciting from

30:10

my side because , again , you know , if , if you

30:13

know , we want people to see the film we

30:15

want people to have , I want people to be for

30:18

it and also against them be

30:20

like , you know that's , that's crap or that's

30:22

rubbish . I don't believe in that and then other people really

30:24

strongly believe in it , because then that's when you create community and

30:26

groups and different things . And

30:28

you know , justin wrote the

30:31

project . He's had it .

30:32

We had the first reading with

30:34

actors and all

30:37

I was waiting for was just the end , to

30:39

finish it and see how they would react . And

30:41

, oh my goodness , I remember that bit

30:43

. I felt like that . You know , the discussions

30:46

were so powerful and they

30:48

related the feelings of their families , their

30:50

you know , their loved ones , how

30:53

the pandemic had affected them in a way , how

30:55

that they related to certain streams

30:58

in the story that related to things that

31:00

they might've seen , and then ending up realising

31:02

that we're actually quite , we're actually

31:04

in the film at the end , we're actually

31:06

in that point of view and point of time right

31:09

now and they were . I could just picture them

31:11

coming out of the cinemas and just talking

31:13

and just talking and creating that discussion , discussion

31:15

.

31:15

Yeah , are you . Are you picking your actors

31:17

and actresses for this movie based on on

31:20

their conspiracy beliefs , or

31:22

or does that ?

31:23

we're trying with some . Yeah , we're trying to find

31:25

um , well , we are , we're out to some

31:27

, some actors at the moment , one

31:30

of the lead roles , which we want them

31:32

to bring their own character

31:34

to it and with that , you'll have an

31:37

element of the belief

31:39

system in relation to film . I think that's going to

31:41

help , definitely , and obviously Justin is

31:43

playing a character in the film as well which

31:46

is going to be tied into the whole

31:48

story , so that's going to be helpful

31:50

well , if you do have any casts that aren't conspiracy

31:52

theorists , at least Justin brings enough to the table to

31:56

level it out for everybody , yeah .

31:58

I mean , it would be ideal to have people

32:00

, but this film isn't just for the people

32:02

that are believing conspiracies . This film is

32:05

about converting

32:08

the restle and just no , just making

32:10

people aware , you know , on a certain level , so that

32:12

they can make a decent judgment for themselves . You

32:14

know , I'm not here to push this film on

32:16

anyone at all . It's you know , I

32:18

learned that very strongly when I tried to push

32:20

my opinions on my own family and friends , and

32:22

that's really one of the reasons why I

32:24

felt like I needed to write this film was

32:27

because I couldn't stop my family from

32:29

taking the vaccines all my friends

32:31

and by me telling them I

32:33

fell out massively . I felt really isolated

32:36

. I felt that they

32:39

didn't want to hear things . I , you know , in Matrix

32:41

they call them , mr Mr Smith pops up and

32:43

literally people that I loved and have never

32:46

argued or had fights with in my life just

32:48

became these , these protective

32:50

monsters of the system . And I thought

32:52

, wow , how am I supposed to break

32:54

through that cognitive dissonance ? How am I supposed

32:57

to gently try and show

32:59

them that things aren't exactly

33:01

what they seem ? And ultimately

33:04

the film came

33:07

about that way , and so I went down the rabbit hole

33:09

and then , as I was writing

33:11

the film , film the conspiracies and

33:13

a lot of people who are conspiracy theorists

33:15

will be able to recognize a lot of the . Lots

33:18

of the you know the story plot

33:20

and those that don't you

33:22

know will find it interesting

33:24

yeah , there's elements in the film as well that's

33:26

like related to the matrix .

33:27

You know there's a scene where one

33:29

of the bits of the dialogue said well , I've already taken the

33:32

red pill now , so I've already gone , you know , down

33:34

the rabbit hole in that sense . But

33:36

you know , if it causes the right , you

33:39

know the right conversation , the right discussion

33:41

. You know it's

33:53

going to be Like Manson . Not like Manson , like getting gunned

33:55

down by the Rothschilds . Can you imagine ?

33:57

that if he just went pew , he walks out of here . Yeah , yeah , there's

33:59

game over . No , I believe that they have to tell us what

34:01

they're doing , and ultimately , they do it through

34:03

various media , and so this will be one

34:06

of their media , and

34:16

so they might be able to say , oh , say thank , thank you , justin , but in in doing so , we'll

34:18

wake up millions . That's why he's hiding out in dubai . They don't know , we're

34:20

in dubai dude . Oh damn god , that's funny . Yeah , so five years ago

34:22

I reached out on instagram to matt because

34:25

I'd , you know , been inspired

34:27

by him and his movie-making

34:29

capabilities , and I think I had a mutual

34:31

friend who recommended me to try and reach

34:34

out to you . It took four years

34:36

for you to contact me back again , but

34:38

hey-ho , never mind , we got there .

34:39

I only saw the message four years later , and he

34:42

wrote to me saying oh , it only took you

34:44

four years to come back to me .

34:45

Yeah , but we met up in Cannes about

34:47

two or three years ago and you

34:50

were very busy at the time . You had all your projects

34:52

and you still are crazily busy . But

34:55

we met up here about

34:57

six months ago and , you

35:00

know , the stars aligned and he was able to come

35:03

on board and I couldn't

35:05

think of anyone better to be partnering

35:07

up with . And

35:12

it's just so lucky that you've , you know , had all the falls and slip ups and everything else

35:14

that hopefully I don't have .

35:14

Yeah , well , I've been in his position quite a few times

35:17

and it's not always been pleasant

35:19

. So you know he's a friend . He's

35:21

also , you know , invested in the project heavily

35:24

personally , um , you

35:26

know . So I want to make sure , hopefully , to try and

35:28

help as much as possible , to give him as

35:30

many tools and try

35:32

and not make the mistakes that I've gone through and

35:34

the problems that

35:36

I've had making films . So give

35:39

him the best chance and the best shot , and

35:41

we've got a good team around us so , fingers crossed

35:43

, we'll make a very , very good film out

35:45

of it 100%

35:49

sure we are , without a doubt , mate , let's

35:51

go .

35:51

Yeah , happy days Game on . I

35:54

did like that question about you know and

35:57

you try and have that understanding of

35:59

why would they want to do this ? Why you

36:01

know , when they have all the money in the world and they have

36:03

everything under their control , there is

36:05

such a small percentage it's

36:07

0.1% of people who are

36:09

controlling the world and

36:14

it is sad how very few people control so many people and I just don't think it's it's right

36:16

and I think that the power should be given back to the

36:18

people . Um , I think that

36:21

government should be decentralized completely

36:23

. I think that people don't need

36:25

to have centralized government having

36:27

taken control . People know , you know , if you

36:29

take it down to a smaller level , people know what they need

36:32

in their regions and what they need in their towns or

36:35

cities .

36:36

I was going to ask that you say one person can make a difference . What

36:38

is going to be the difference ? What's going to be what's

36:40

?

36:40

the result one

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person tells a , second person tells a but

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then what happens that ripple effect ?

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we all live we stop playing . We just

36:49

don't have to comply .

36:51

We don't have to comply we just don't have to comply

36:53

and and from the small

36:55

and from the smaller regions , we will build

36:57

out that could cause wars or like what

36:59

there's got to be .

37:00

There's a reason why we have society and order and laws

37:02

and all that stuff . So one person makes a difference . What

37:05

is the result ? What happens ? We're

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not all . This is what we're saying no

37:10

, no .

37:10

I think that if you look , if let's just take take

37:13

example what's going on in palestine right now

37:15

, and you've got the american , you've got uk , and

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you've got both our , both the government saying

37:19

that they don't want to have peace right and

37:21

that means , basically , they don't want to have to stop the genocide

37:24

and killing children and killing the .

37:25

What they actually haven't said , that they have yeah

37:27

, I said I don't want to have peace yeah , they're the ones that

37:29

voted against it .

37:30

So , yes , that's the facts , right ? So if you took

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that down to any smaller level , on to

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any individual at all saying , would

37:37

you do you want to kill , keep killing children and

37:39

baby and women and children ? They'd

37:42

say no . So that is where the whole

37:44

problem is . It is not our decision

37:46

. So you think you're making the decisions within the government

37:48

, but you're not . We're not choosing , we don't

37:50

even choose . Our prime minister rishi wasn't chosen

37:53

. The prime minister before that wasn't even chosen . So

37:55

who is choosing these people ? So

37:57

until we have some control back

37:59

again , you know , but that's only in

38:01

our country there's some countries , but when you say the prime

38:03

minister wasn't chosen not

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chosen .

38:06

It wasn't voted by his own cabinet , not let

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alone the people but are you saying

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that when we have a vote , that

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every vote's a rigged vote ?

38:15

No , the people who have been for you to choose

38:17

are both rigged , so

38:20

it's the same thing , I think

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he's right about that .

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They haven't been voted in , they've just stepped in and

38:27

then just forwarded in . But what I'm saying

38:29

is that we have a very Western mentality

38:31

and even just traveling , you realize

38:34

. Actually , the focus now is shifting

38:36

away from the UK and the US . Everyone thinks the UK

38:38

and the US is everything right , and

38:40

there are some countries and some governments

38:43

that do get it right . Okay , don't

38:46

you agree ?

38:47

Well , sweden I think it was Sweden

38:49

who didn't do any changes during

38:51

COVID and they had the least effect . Because

38:54

they did nothing , because that's just

38:56

, you know . They made a decision and they were least

38:58

affected by it least deaths , least , everything just

39:01

proving the legality of our government .

39:02

So that's what I'm saying . Is it

39:04

a small minority of countries that are part of this

39:06

? You know world order , or

39:08

is it everyone ?

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No , the powers that be have basically

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infiltrated the majority of countries

39:15

, and it's the rare voice like

39:17

me having to put my head above the parapet

39:19

. I don't need to do this . I don't need

39:21

to get this message

39:23

out . I live a very comfortable life . You

39:26

have a very good body . I work

39:28

out every day . I don't

39:30

work in the system . I've never worked for anyone . I don't work . 9 don't need . I don't work in the system

39:32

. I've never worked for for anyone I don't work

39:34

. Nine to five . I don't work for someone else , I don't

39:36

. I've never had to do that , except for maybe about

39:39

six months .

39:39

He's getting removed and he's getting put in space after .

39:41

So , basically , I'm popping my head

39:43

up , because every single one of you

39:45

out there who has realized

39:47

that there is something wrong and we

39:49

are , and and that this is a real problem

39:51

, you have a duty to stand

39:54

up and to do something , and if

39:56

you don't , then you know already where

39:58

we , where we we're heading . And

40:00

that is depopulation , that is 15-minute

40:02

cities , that's not being able to travel , that's carbon

40:05

credits , um , you know limitations

40:07

, that's , it's everything . And our world

40:09

is going like that and people wouldn't believe it , you know before

40:12

. Oh , by the way , we're going to lock you down for , uh

40:14

, for a virus

40:16

that you don't even know if you've got it or not . I

40:18

mean , let's say it's as gone , as ridiculous

40:20

it possibly can . The world's becoming more

40:23

and more nuts , and if we don't all wake

40:25

up , then the world that you're

40:27

, that we were brought up in , isn't going to be the same

40:29

as the the next generation's . I certainly

40:32

wouldn't bring any children up in this world right now . Not

40:34

at all , not one bit , and I

40:36

bet there's millions of people that fit , believe me , and the new president

40:39

of the world is just in After

40:41

that speech of course , yes , you

40:43

could run for prime minister Freedom .

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