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kids get their hands on. In the

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introduction you say discipline gives us

1:03

freedom which again feels like that's typically

1:05

not what people think of discipline

1:07

we think of discipline is taking

1:09

our freedom and making our lives

1:12

as you say more rigid yeah

1:14

you're saying then like more rigid

1:16

and less choices less optionality but

1:18

in the introduction of your book you

1:20

say discipline gives us freedom. I think

1:23

that a lot of the discussions about

1:25

motivation can cause people to believe that

1:27

there's some magical state that they need

1:29

to be in before they do something.

1:32

Yeah, and as I've said since day

1:34

one, it's motivation is a feeling that

1:36

comes and goes, and it doesn't matter

1:38

whether it's there or not, discipline is

1:40

infinitely more important. So no matter how

1:42

you feel, get up and do what

1:44

you're supposed to do. That's it. And

1:46

that's discipline. It's not motivation. If you

1:48

only did what you were supposed to

1:51

do when you were motivated to do

1:53

it, that's leaving it to chance. But

1:55

if you're disciplined. You go to what

1:57

you're supposed to do. That's the way

1:59

it works. You know, you

2:01

want to be a little bit better

2:03

in some way tomorrow than you are

2:05

today, but it's not going to be

2:07

in a linear path. You have to

2:10

really do the work. Like, you have

2:12

to back it with hard work. I

2:14

don't care how you perceive David Goggins.

2:16

I walk in the room now, and

2:18

I know that hours and years and

2:20

decades I put in the David

2:22

Goggins. It's not on the wall.

2:24

It's not a metal by the

2:26

neck. It is actually a feeling

2:29

in your heart. Through

2:32

my journey, I figured out

2:34

the one piece I was

2:36

missing. The one piece I

2:38

was missing was me having the

2:40

courage to face myself. Wake up

2:42

every single day, thinking about how

2:45

can I change my life? Because

2:47

what you want? It hunts you

2:50

every single night. See the big

2:52

dogs? They won't get you the

2:54

opportunity. You gonna have to take

2:57

it. I need you to tell

2:59

yourself right now, there is no

3:02

other way. There is no other

3:04

way. There is no other way.

3:06

Future belongs to the discipline. You

3:09

know what I'm saying? And you're

3:11

very undisciplined. And you're emotionally undisciplined.

3:13

And if you could develop this

3:16

discipline now, you will get much

3:18

further ahead in a much faster

3:20

rate. We

3:28

want to talk so soft

3:31

to ourselves, we're

3:33

looking for that recovery

3:36

day. And that

3:38

recovery day is

3:40

everything in your life.

3:43

Everything in your life

3:45

is a recovery day.

3:47

We're looking for it.

3:50

It's not coming. Get

3:52

over that recovery day.

3:54

Right, so discipline is

3:56

not, you know, the

3:58

marine sergeant telling... everyone

4:00

else what to do, how to

4:02

be, right? The Stoics are talking

4:04

about the virtue of self-discipline, which

4:07

is you have your standards that

4:09

you selected for yourself that you

4:11

are living up to. It's not

4:13

a weapon that you wield against

4:15

other people, right? And I think

4:17

so often when we hear discipline,

4:20

we think disciplinarian, right? Someone who's

4:22

really strict. One of the beautiful

4:24

lines in meditation marks really says,

4:26

remember tolerant with others, strict with

4:28

yourself. And actually that itself demands

4:30

so much more discipline, right? To

4:32

be like, I never accept being

4:35

late, for me or for other

4:37

people, right? I work hard, I

4:39

judge people that are not in

4:41

shape, right? I expect long hours

4:43

from everyone that works for me.

4:45

You know, there's that sort of

4:47

rigid, strict form of discipline. I have

4:50

found in my own journey, in my

4:52

own life, that it actually requires

4:54

more discipline to go. This is

4:56

what I expect of myself. And

4:59

this is how I'm wired. This

5:01

is how I operate best. And

5:03

then I understand that other people,

5:05

not only do I not control

5:07

them, but they have different proclivities,

5:10

different ways of living, different ways

5:12

of being, and that my job

5:14

is to figure out how to

5:16

adapt myself to them instead of

5:18

forcing them to be like me. Exactly.

5:22

You know, I mean that's kind of how

5:24

I look at it. It's just the numbers.

5:27

Like nobody's perfect all the time. Nobody's great

5:29

all the time. But people will remember you

5:31

for your greatness when they get to witness.

5:33

Absolutely. And I think that's something that you

5:36

know people have to understand. Like no matter

5:38

how good you get, you're still going to

5:40

have days that are bad. And I think

5:42

that's the advice that I would have focused

5:44

on there because I didn't really figure that

5:46

out until I was about 36 years old.

5:49

I would have sat myself down and had

5:51

to talk about my own discipline and what

5:53

it meant to be disciplined in all areas.

5:56

Because you weren't as disciplined. No, I was

5:58

at that time at 33. I was

6:00

330 pounds. You know, I was drinking

6:02

all the time, partying all the time.

6:05

I thought it was cool to be

6:07

the wild guy, you know, and you

6:09

know what I'm saying? Wild man. Yeah,

6:12

and that's how I was always that

6:14

way growing up. And, you know, I

6:16

wish I would have had someone that

6:19

sat me down and said, hey, bro,

6:21

you know, that's not as cool

6:23

as you think it is. You know

6:25

what I'm saying, and you're very undisciplin,

6:28

and you're emotionally undisciplin. you will get

6:30

much further ahead in a much faster

6:32

rate. Discipline, once you learn it,

6:34

can be applied to all areas. And

6:37

so that's the thing that I wish

6:39

I would have understood at a

6:41

younger age that had I had the

6:43

skills to not only be disciplined in

6:46

the physical, you know, I struggle with

6:48

my physique. Like it wasn't like I

6:50

had never been in shape before.

6:52

I had just become a discipline. Right.

6:55

And you know, I think if I

6:57

had understood at 33, What that

6:59

could actually do for me, I would

7:01

have bought it put line and sinker

7:04

and dedicated my entire life to

7:06

me. Yeah, for sure The amount of

7:08

progress that has happened in my life

7:10

in all areas From the time I

7:13

started figuring that out to now I

7:15

got 20 years worth of results

7:17

in like four and a half years

7:19

amazing. You know what I'm saying and

7:22

so That's the impact of taking

7:24

true control over your existence, is that

7:26

it greatly accelerates everything else. I could

7:28

have saved myself probably two-thirds of

7:30

the success journey that I was on,

7:33

just from the shit that I know

7:35

now that I didn't know then. But

7:37

more importantly, I could have saved myself

7:40

tons of mental agony, because I

7:42

could have reassured that, hey, look, this

7:44

is just a part of the deal,

7:46

and you signed up for this.

7:48

And nobody ever tells you those things.

7:51

You know what I'm saying? Like... Okay,

7:53

so how does my day look like?

7:55

So I wake up early in the

7:58

morning, I wake up four o'clock

8:00

in the morning. reason why four o'clock

8:02

in the morning man it's a struggle

8:04

waking up at four o'clock in

8:06

the morning it's not you know it's

8:09

not easy and I still want to

8:11

be challenged so you know now

8:13

it's just it's gonna happen so the

8:15

monster the laziness in me it's not

8:18

there anymore you know when I say

8:20

that the light the laziness we all

8:22

have it the procrasticator right the

8:24

guy who doesn't want to do shit

8:27

The alarm goes off at four

8:30

o'clock in the morning, you're like,

8:32

oh, my leg's kind of hurting

8:34

this morning. Maybe I shouldn't run.

8:37

That guy. See, that guy, in

8:39

me, he's gone because he knows

8:41

that it doesn't work. The thing

8:43

is, it's going to happen. So

8:46

when you say, what is my

8:48

discipline? I've done it for so

8:50

long. I've been doing it since

8:53

I was nine. Discipline

8:55

is your lifestyle. What is your lifestyle

8:58

man? Like, okay, so I could teach

9:00

you to go to the gym and

9:02

you and I, we can get totally

9:05

jacked in the gym, right? And then,

9:07

and you and I, we have a

9:09

good two-hour sessions in the gym, we

9:11

burned it down, and you go home

9:14

and you drink a milkshake and eat

9:16

like crap. Well, that is the thing

9:18

that separates the achievements on the other

9:21

side of it, right? if it was

9:23

easy everyone would do it, if it

9:25

was easy everyone would achieve it. So

9:27

this is one of the things that

9:30

I try and rely on. So I

9:32

ruptured my Achilles a couple of years

9:34

ago. That sucked. I wouldn't advise it

9:37

as an injury. The discomfort that you

9:39

feel and the fear of it rupturing,

9:41

which is the number one thing you

9:43

don't need to have happen, the thing

9:46

that I went back to in my

9:48

mind was this is why I'm here.

9:50

The discomfort that I was feeling, the

9:53

effort... the pain, the sweat. This is

9:55

why you're here, was the reminder. It's

9:57

like, look, this is the reason why

10:00

the re rupture rate is 5 to

10:02

10%. because people don't want to do

10:04

this thing. People don't want to do

10:06

the thing because it hurts, because it

10:09

takes half an hour, every single day,

10:11

for nearly 12 months. It's a full

10:13

12-month recovery. That's why. This is why

10:16

you're here. And I think that you're

10:18

right. I think that the selection is...

10:20

people deep down know that picking up

10:22

heavy things physically, psychologically, culturally, is good

10:25

for us. And I think that that's

10:27

why it's attractive. Life

10:30

is one big mind game.

10:32

And you're playing it with

10:34

yourself. Is it true? I

10:36

don't care. It got me

10:39

through the hardest training, starting

10:41

out broken. Where most people

10:43

quit, I had just started.

10:45

And when you take that

10:47

mindset and you learned to

10:49

flip that around, that's what

10:51

made me powerful. God put

10:54

me in a very interesting

10:56

spot of life. where he

10:58

made hell my teacher. He

11:00

made hell my teacher. And

11:02

a lot of people don't

11:04

understand that. So I'm trying

11:06

to give people a different

11:09

thought process of life where

11:11

failure, hell, disappointment, discomfort. It's

11:13

a great learning tool. And

11:15

many people don't understand that.

11:17

And a lot of people

11:19

won't even understand this interview

11:21

when we get done with

11:23

it. But it's these few

11:26

moments in life that you

11:28

have. Like for me, I

11:30

always talk about it. Rocky

11:32

won round 14. That one

11:34

two-minute and 13-second clip of

11:36

Rocky getting up when Apollo

11:38

knocked him down. That one

11:41

clip, when I was going

11:43

to a very bad time

11:45

of my life, I saw

11:47

what I wanted to be.

11:49

And it wasn't a guy

11:51

that won. The one, the

11:53

guy that won everything he

11:56

did, it was a guy

11:58

that kept getting up. after

12:00

being knocked down. So I

12:02

realized if that two minutes

12:04

and 13 seconds changed my

12:06

life. So I was. I

12:08

saw something that I needed

12:10

to be in the world

12:13

I was living in. Means

12:15

that people live in a

12:17

very comfortable place, that's fine.

12:19

Don't listen to me. A

12:21

lot of people are looking

12:23

for that two minutes and

12:25

13 seconds. So

12:29

again, I would love to be

12:31

able to You know give you

12:33

this profound anchor that people need

12:35

to have But it's like oh,

12:37

do you want to do this

12:39

or not? Do you actually want

12:41

to do this or not? Because

12:43

if you actually want to do

12:45

it, what's going to stop you?

12:48

Just about anything that comes up

12:50

just about any obstacle that gets

12:52

in your way becomes an excuse

12:54

It becomes a reason, it comes

12:56

a rationale for not proceeding down

12:58

that path. And this is interesting

13:00

too. When you talk to people

13:02

that went to seal training that

13:04

didn't make it, most of the

13:06

time, it's some reason. There's a

13:08

medical reason. There's a family problem.

13:10

There's very few people that look

13:12

at you and say, oh, I

13:14

quit because it sucked. Which is

13:16

what, by the way, which is

13:18

what happens to the vast majority

13:20

of people. They don't usually say

13:22

that. And even in their mind,

13:24

they probably don't believe it. They

13:27

probably believe, well, you know, it

13:29

was my leg, and once my

13:31

leg was hurting, I knew I

13:33

was going to have a hard

13:35

time on the run, because I

13:37

wasn't going to be able to

13:39

make the runs, that's why I

13:41

quit. But it wasn't really quitting,

13:43

it was because of my leg.

13:45

So it's like I said, it's

13:47

a very strange and really kind

13:49

of a mystical thing. Excuses. Excuses.

13:51

You're talking there about people making

13:53

people making excuses making excuses. if

13:55

they are our friends, our enemies,

13:57

if they're ever useful. Your excuse

13:59

is world. destroy you and take

14:01

everything that you ever wanted from

14:04

you if you let them. Doesn't

14:06

sound like a friend. Yeah, it's

14:08

definitely not a friend. So when

14:10

you when your excuses make you

14:12

feel a little bit better about

14:14

the fact that you didn't execute

14:16

on what you needed to execute

14:18

on, then they can make you

14:20

feel better. But they're not helping

14:22

you. They're not helping you at

14:24

all. Is that what you think

14:26

about extreme ownership? Is our excuse

14:28

is the opposite? Excuses and blame,

14:30

is that the opposite of extreme

14:32

ownership? That is the opposite of

14:34

extreme ownership is this went wrong,

14:36

this failed, didn't accomplish this, and

14:38

it's not the fault of my

14:40

boss, it's not the fault of

14:43

my girlfriend, it's not the fault

14:45

of my parents, it's not the

14:47

fault of the weather, it's my

14:49

fault. And I'm going to take

14:51

ownership of it, and I'm going

14:53

to fix it. That's what extreme

14:55

ownership is. And

14:58

this is a very difficult thing

15:00

to do because it hurts. Because

15:02

when you look around at your

15:05

job and your financial situation and

15:07

your relationship and your physical health,

15:10

and when you look at all

15:12

those things and all the problems

15:14

that you may have with those

15:17

things, and you say the reason

15:19

I have all those problems is

15:22

because of me, that can hurt.

15:24

That can sting. And

15:26

a lot of times our

15:28

ego rejects that and makes excuses

15:31

and lies. And then we

15:33

don't have to change anything.

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