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Hello, welcome back to the show. My name

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is Matt, my.

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Name is Nolan.

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They call me Ben. We're joined as always

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with our super producer, all mission

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controlled decand most importantly,

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you are here. And that

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makes this the stuff they don't

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want you to know. It's Thursday,

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as the Human Calendar goes these days,

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folks, which means it's one of our favorite

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times of the week, the time when we get

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to hear directly from you, our

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fellow conspiracy realists. We're

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going to get some great

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names, some great monikers today. Very

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excited about that.

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Uh, Ben, really good. Did I ever mention that

1:02

people sometimes call me the human calendar?

1:04

You have never that's a verse good at

1:07

telling people exactly what what data

1:09

is that you No, No,

1:11

I'm bad at that. It's it's not true.

1:13

So we're going to hear a bunch of uh. We're

1:16

going to hear some great topic suggestions.

1:18

As you know, we love, we love

1:20

when we get new leads from our

1:22

fellow listeners, We're going to talk

1:24

about something incredibly important,

1:27

uh, involving blood that has not been

1:30

I think been yet the

1:32

subject of an episode before

1:35

we do any of that. I know this is a little bit

1:37

silly because there's so much stuff going on.

1:39

But guys, remember

1:41

we were talking about Rebel Moon.

1:43

Oh yeah, that award a Humble Farmer

1:46

documentary about the about them.

1:48

Every ten minutes. It's for

1:51

them, for the audience to know, and

1:54

apparently whomever wrote that script, it's important

1:56

to know that one of those guys is a

1:59

humble Farmer. And I want to give a very

2:01

special shout out to one of our fellow

2:03

conspiracy realists who said, I'll

2:05

go with that one.

2:07

You know, I like that I'm only learning about

2:09

this film secondhand,

2:12

and I'm going to keep it that way just to see what in

2:14

mental image it conjures. But in my mind,

2:16

the Humble Farmer is the is the protagonist

2:19

of the whole story. But that's apparently not even true.

2:21

No.

2:22

I figured it was like a come up kind of story that he

2:24

starts as a humble farmer and then he ends up

2:26

saving the galaxy.

2:27

It's about crops because

2:29

again, so it's interstellar Basel Moon.

2:33

In Rebel Moon, someone probably read

2:36

the first half of Save the Cat

2:38

or something, which is a bible of screenwriting,

2:41

and then said, okay, as long as

2:43

every character has a fear, a

2:46

fear at aspiration, and

2:48

one defining demographical characteristic

2:51

their demographic characteristic, then

2:54

we are good to go. Take that Shakespeare.

2:57

This our first email

2:59

today does come from

3:02

a humble farmer, and it goes this way.

3:04

This is just a story one to share. I

3:06

think it is so very well written. As

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you know, folks, we read every email we get.

3:10

Here's how it goes, or what's that old

3:13

joke? I want to hear it? Here it goes. I

3:16

know that one. Okay, that might have

3:18

just been one of my weird tennessee

3:21

young guts.

3:21

That's from an LL cool Jason.

3:24

It is now you're welcome LL

3:27

so here it goes. Greetings

3:29

and salutations stuff they don't want

3:31

you to know. Team. I want to apologize

3:34

in advance for the length of this email, and

3:36

kudos goes to whomever finishes

3:38

it in its entirety.

3:41

Well, kudos to all of us from you. Thank

3:43

you so much. When we

3:45

do read every email we get. I

3:47

thought you guys like the intro. I would

3:49

like to start out by sharing my not

3:52

so short nicknames for the group

3:54

you are all loving leading on in

3:56

my head as Matt the

3:58

Twitter list. Frederick applause.

4:02

Noel only smokes pot in

4:04

states where it's legal.

4:05

Brown, that's funny, it's

4:08

very true.

4:09

Ben definitely not trying

4:11

to sneak into the DPRK wink

4:13

Bolin. All right, I'll let

4:16

it slide. Paul, can we grub

4:18

hub some Applebee's decands? And Alexis

4:21

the famous Alexis Jackson Jackson

4:24

applause all around? Can

4:27

we get an applause to perfect? Just

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no, says our conspiracy

4:33

realist. If you are a super producer reading

4:35

this who wasn't included on the list, I probably

4:37

have a nickname for you too. That's

4:40

just eluding me at the moment, So

4:42

watch out, Max Williams and Seth

4:45

and Seth Nicholas Johnson. Yes,

4:47

and so we get a bit of

4:49

background from our conspiracy

4:52

realist here, who also has,

4:54

by the way, granted us permission to

4:56

paraphrase some of this. So

4:59

go going through some beautiful

5:02

pros, we get to the first

5:04

of two amazing subjects, Love

5:07

the way right here. This

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is the story let's get to my ufo

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uap or Uao

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experience. It was the old

5:17

year of twenty fourteen. Some

5:20

comrades and I had gathered at a friend's

5:22

house in the woods for little fire, some

5:25

of mister Adams's finest alee in Washington's

5:27

Stinkiest Herb editorializing,

5:31

We'll leave you to guess what that means, folks,

5:33

continuing, you should understand

5:35

this was not a rager, just a

5:38

friendly gathering of ten or so people

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out in the woods of Vermont, twenty five miles

5:42

away from the nearest city and fifty miles

5:45

from the airport. At one point

5:47

I snuck away from the fire to

5:49

sit on the porch and star gaze. Away

5:51

from the light of the fire. While

5:53

looking up at the stars, I came across

5:56

an orange light. It was moving

5:58

like a typical satellite light, but was

6:00

maybe two times bigger and had a

6:03

sunset orange glow to it. I

6:05

rationalized this in my head as maybe

6:07

being at a different orbit than usual,

6:10

and the light reflecting through the atmosphere

6:12

weirdly but not out of the ordinary.

6:15

I continued to scan

6:17

the skies while keeping an eye on this

6:19

orange light. Eventually I noticed

6:22

often the distance, but not that far

6:24

away from the orange light. Another

6:26

light, but this time it was the

6:28

normal white star like satellite

6:31

that I'm used to. Now I want

6:33

to pause here because I think this is an

6:35

excellent retelling. This is

6:37

peak storytelling, and I want to pass

6:39

the mic so we can kind of round robin

6:42

this so it's not just like one person talking

6:44

the whole time. Does anybody want to pick up?

6:46

As I continued to monitor these two

6:48

lights, there were two things that became abundantly

6:51

clear. The first is that the

6:53

white light was moving much faster than

6:55

the orange light, and the second thing was that

6:58

these two objects were moving at a four already

7:00

five degree angle of each other and appeared

7:02

to be on a path to collide.

7:05

It was at that point I went and gathered

7:07

the group by the fire to show them what I had

7:09

discovered. We all watched in amazement

7:12

as the two orbs got closer

7:14

and closer until colliding.

7:16

When the objects met, both lights

7:19

disappeared. We

7:22

continued to scan the area for a few moments,

7:24

when eventually one white light emerged

7:26

in the same area, but this time

7:28

it was traveling at a ninety degree angle

7:31

from their previous trajectory and continued

7:33

traveling until it fell off the horizon.

7:36

Everyone in the group was stunned and confused

7:39

by what we just witnessed, except for one

7:41

of us. While we were all discussing

7:43

aliens and what we possibly could have seen,

7:46

one person chimed in with, Guys,

7:48

you're all crazy. It's not aliens, probably just

7:50

a military training exercise we know

7:52

nothing about. I guess there had

7:54

to be one rational person with around

7:57

it in The group scoured

8:00

the web over the next few days, but couldn't find

8:02

anything about training exercises, satellite

8:04

crashes, or even just other reports

8:06

of the two lights. I know this may

8:09

not be the craziest experience to some,

8:11

but to most of our group, it was the weirdest

8:14

thing we've ever seen in the sky.

8:16

Paul, can we get just like whatever

8:19

is closest to the X Files or Twilight

8:21

Zone theme? That will not get a sued perfect

8:26

So we've got to go to We've

8:29

got to go to the very end of this letter. After

8:31

another fantastic description

8:34

of scientology by the way

8:37

and remote viewing

8:39

hidden caves stargates write

8:42

to us about that, Our pal says,

8:44

I am not a fan of people choosing

8:46

their own nickname to me. A nickname

8:49

is given by friends. As I consider

8:51

all of you my friends, I would be privileged

8:54

if you would come up with your nickname

8:56

for me. But given the spirit of

8:58

the not so great movie I just watched

9:01

Ellipses, it was too

9:03

dark for me, like all of Snyder's

9:05

recent movies. But for now, you

9:07

can call me Humble

9:09

Farmer. Guys, we have our own Humble

9:11

Farmer. Now, yeah, I don't have to watch

9:14

Rebel Moon Part two. We've got Humble Farmer at

9:16

home.

9:16

Well, we'll have to marinate on a maybe I

9:18

don't know, No, we should do it now, we won't get to it.

9:20

Can we have an alternat nickname that we decide on,

9:23

maybe like

9:26

light light Bringer, light fearer,

9:29

light seeker, I don't know, the Primethean,

9:33

that's good.

9:34

The scientology.

9:39

Yeah, hey, folks, maybe you can write

9:41

in and suggest some nicknames.

9:43

Elron, mother, Hubbard.

9:45

That's good. I like that one too. We

9:48

also wanted to share this one because

9:51

we get a lot of folks who write

9:54

in and say, hey,

9:57

I don't have a suggestion

9:59

for or a new topic, or I'm

10:02

not necessarily reacting to

10:04

a thing that you said before. Right,

10:06

We're but I have an experience.

10:09

I need to share something that I

10:11

cannot explain, And

10:14

with that in mind, we want you to

10:16

please send us your stories of

10:19

these seemingly inexplicable things.

10:21

The the idea of unidentified

10:25

objects or phenomena in

10:27

the sky is much

10:30

more ubiquitous than it may

10:32

appear.

10:34

I got it. L Ron humble.

10:35

Farmer's

10:40

humble farter, The

10:43

fumble farmer would work. If

10:45

this wasn't such an excellently written

10:47

email.

10:50

We should also be handled.

10:52

We should also point out that our old friend

10:55

Brock let us know that he comes

10:57

from a long line of humble humble

10:59

farmer. Yeah.

11:00

Shout out rock, Yeah,

11:02

and shout out to the shout out

11:04

to our other conspiracy realists. I think

11:06

I replied today who

11:08

warned us about per Simmons. Apparently

11:11

you have to be very careful when

11:13

you eat per Simmons, did you guys? Is that us right?

11:15

Isn't that true?

11:16

Or no?

11:17

What's the deal?

11:18

Yeah, there's that right?

11:19

Yeah, Yeah, that's somewhere back in the old

11:21

memory banks.

11:21

So this is uh, this

11:24

is from our pal who we're going

11:26

to call uh Coca

11:29

Cola, Thank you, Georgia. Just to not compromise

11:32

stuff. Uh, the thing is apparently

11:35

if you eat per

11:37

simmons when they're unripe

11:40

on an empty stomach, they can form

11:42

bezo wars in your stomach.

11:45

The

11:49

a bez of war is like a

11:51

bunch of gunk trapped in

11:54

stomach. It's partially

11:56

undigested material. It's

11:59

also very useful in some

12:01

ritual magic back in the day.

12:04

Is it sort of like, what's that stuff that that whales

12:06

secrete that's so valuable? Amberg

12:09

and human equivalent?

12:12

Are these pezive words? Can they be harvested and

12:14

then sold on the black market?

12:15

I'm curious. You

12:17

know, you can sell a lot of stuff on

12:19

the black market. We've got some stories about

12:22

that on the way there. But with

12:24

this in mind, this is a big thank

12:26

you to humble farmer.

12:29

We just want to find more reasons to say

12:31

humble farmer. Uh. This is also

12:34

a call to action, as

12:36

we would say in the business. We want

12:38

to read more of your UFO

12:40

UAP paranormal stories

12:43

or things you just can explain. If

12:45

you drive often, if you drive

12:47

for a living, then what's the strangest

12:50

stuff you've seen on the road. If

12:52

you are out there in the ocean, what's

12:54

the strangest stuff you've seen on

12:57

or beneath the waves. These

13:00

stories are important. They

13:02

always make our evening. We love

13:04

to read them. We do not pretend

13:06

to be the experts in terms of evaluating

13:10

or analyzing this stuff. But if you would like

13:12

to send us photographs or footage

13:14

or audio, we are more than happy

13:16

to dig in and give you our take.

13:18

Consider this a call to arms, a call to

13:21

use your arms, or your mouth or

13:23

your mind man eventually maybe to write

13:26

us about these, these these and any

13:28

other questions you might have.

13:30

Yeah, call to arms, a call to

13:32

add to the conversation one

13:34

A three three std WYTK conspiracy

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Go see if there are any UFOs outside,

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13:52

And we're back. I just took a look outside, guys,

13:55

only seeing gray out there.

13:57

Just gray me too days. I

13:59

blame it dollar blindness. But you know, the.

14:03

Clouds, I don't know. I can't tell. I can't

14:05

tell. There might be a gene jacket up there somewhere.

14:08

Shout out, Jean jacket

14:11

in the sky. I got you that one was

14:13

talking.

14:13

About the note,

14:16

yes, sir, Yes, sir. It's

14:19

honestly my favorite depiction, though could

14:22

be. Okay, uh, here we go,

14:24

We're going to jump to the phone lines. We got a message

14:26

from Zach.

14:28

Well, my name is Zach from Arkansas.

14:31

I've got something that I think they don't

14:34

want us to know. Back

14:36

in two thousand and five, a director

14:39

named Kelly Dudah du

14:41

Da made a film called

14:43

Factor eight. It was

14:45

about plasma

14:49

and blood transfusions being taken

14:51

from the Arkansas prison system

14:54

and being sold internationally.

14:57

Apparently it's illegal to sell them

15:00

of prison collected

15:02

blood in

15:05

the United States, but apparently a

15:07

gray area internationally. Anyways,

15:10

remembered that the Clintons were behind

15:12

all this because he was a governor

15:15

at this time when this was going on, and

15:17

of course the governor is has

15:20

some control over the prison systems.

15:22

But anyways, back in two thousand and five, Kelly

15:24

Dudeah put out this movie called Factor

15:26

eight. It is unobtainable.

15:30

You cannot I cannot find it anywhere

15:32

on the internet. You can

15:35

find a trailer for it,

15:37

which gives quite a bit of information but still

15:39

leaves you wanting to watch the entire movie.

15:42

The movie one film was

15:46

shown at film festivals, won

15:48

some awards. I believe, to

15:51

my knowledge, Kelly good All Tudah is still

15:53

around and lives in Arkansas still.

15:57

But there are tons

16:00

of conspiracy and imagination

16:04

just to let go crazy with the the bad

16:08

stuff that went on with this. Lots

16:10

of people done with pain, blood

16:13

anyways, interesting stuff, and

16:15

since they don't want us to know it, well

16:17

there we.

16:18

Go, guys. Zach's

16:20

putting us on to a movie and

16:22

an entire topic. I think that

16:25

may even deserve more time

16:27

that we've got today. But let's get let's knock

16:29

out what we can. Let's give everybody as much

16:31

info as we can. First thing

16:33

I would say is the movie

16:36

that Zach is referring to is titled

16:38

Factor the Number eight colon

16:41

the Arkansas Prison blood Scandal. You

16:44

can find an IMDb page for

16:46

it. You can find a couple other pieces written

16:48

about it online. But as

16:51

Zach found, I could not find

16:53

a place to either purchase this

16:56

video or even download it

16:58

in some other way to actually view

17:00

the entire thing.

17:01

I'm with you, Matt, I played

17:04

the game a bit too, because we talked about this off

17:06

air. There's not even a

17:09

good r maybe path

17:12

to it.

17:12

There you go, Yes, exactly our

17:15

Factor eight. Well, we couldn't find it,

17:18

at least to my knowledge, I couldn't find it. Did,

17:21

however, find a few other documentaries

17:23

that are touching on this scandal

17:26

because it was and is such

17:28

a big deal. If you search

17:30

for in cold Blood Infected

17:33

Blood scandal documentary, you

17:35

can find it on a YouTube channel

17:37

titled Factor eight by the way, which

17:40

is a bit confusing for everybody, I think,

17:43

but this is an hour and a half long feature

17:45

documentary. I have not personally

17:47

watched that one, so I do not

17:50

know what that one is like. You

17:52

can also find longer

17:54

videos on YouTube from

17:57

places like Real Stories. There's

17:59

like an hour long documentary on this

18:02

whole scandal. There's

18:05

all kinds. Basically, there are places

18:07

for you to watch things about this if that is how

18:09

you want to explore it. If you want

18:11

to read about the topic and

18:13

what occurred, you will also find

18:16

a ton of resources. The

18:18

one that was I focused

18:21

on a couple of the British reportings

18:23

on it, because it did a lot of this stuff

18:25

took place in the UK, also took

18:27

place in Canada, in parts of Asia

18:29

as well, and in different countries there. But

18:32

it is primarily a UK Canada

18:35

situation, so I'm kind of trusting a

18:37

bit of that to go off the initial like

18:39

what occurred, and I

18:42

guess them using their official healthcare

18:44

terminology right with the different organizations

18:47

that were reporting, And

18:50

it also has to do with American pharmaceutical companies.

18:52

So I was a bit nervous about checking out US

18:55

reporting just because I thought there might be

19:00

I can't believe, but

19:05

you know what I mean, I don't know if there's just a cozy

19:07

relationship there sometimes, So you know, it's

19:10

it's interesting.

19:11

That name really rang a bell with me. It's a bit

19:13

of an unusual name. And I did

19:15

some digging in the old memory banks and remembered

19:18

that this guy actually pitched

19:20

this as a podcast several years

19:22

ago and nothing came of it.

19:24

And it's such a crazy and interesting

19:26

story. I don't quite know what happened.

19:29

He seems to have ghosted

19:31

a little bit unusual

19:34

because it's such a fascinating story.

19:37

There had to have been a reason that we didn't

19:40

do it. I kind of seemed to remember

19:42

that the guy kind of dropped off the map

19:44

a little bit.

19:45

I know nothing about that, guys, but

19:48

I maybe let's jump into

19:50

the reporting from BBC just

19:52

to like have an understanding

19:55

based off of what Zach is telling us. What does

19:57

a BBC say about this? They're calling

19:59

it the Blood Inquiry, the Contaminated

20:02

Blood Inquiry. In fact, you can search

20:04

for what is the Contaminated Blood

20:06

Inquiry and you'll find an article written by Nick

20:08

Triggle tri gg La. That's

20:11

very wonderful British name. Oh yeah,

20:14

so I'm going to read a bit directly from

20:16

this article. But ultimately

20:18

what's happening in the nineteen seventies

20:21

and eighties, the United Kingdom

20:23

is struggling to keep up with this stuff.

20:25

That is it's they

20:27

call it Factor eight blood caught clotting

20:30

treatment. It is for it is to treat

20:32

people who have hemophilia, so blood

20:35

disorder of one sort

20:37

or another. In this case, it's the blood is

20:39

unable to clot properly, so

20:41

you can get treated with this stuff. In

20:44

this this treatment is a blood

20:46

transfusion where you are actually getting

20:49

a substance let's call it, that's

20:51

based on blood from a donor that

20:53

then goes into your body and allows

20:56

your body person with hemophilia to

20:58

clot properly. Okay, so

21:00

UK can't keep up with the demand, so

21:03

they start importing stuff from the United

21:05

States. Now here's

21:08

the issue. In the US, A lot

21:10

of the blood supplies that were going to US

21:12

pharmaceutical companies were

21:14

being donated, and

21:16

in this case a lot of those donors

21:19

were coming from prison systems and

21:22

several of them, not all of them, obviously,

21:24

but several of those prisoners

21:27

ended up having contaminated blood

21:29

with either HIV or hepatitis

21:31

C, and somehow or

21:33

another, those contaminated

21:36

samples of blood, those donations made

21:38

it through the system at the pharmaceutical company,

21:41

made it through the system. Then that went over to the

21:43

UK and Canada and was injected

21:45

into people via transfusion who

21:47

did not have hepatitis C or HIV.

21:50

Sure be killed until

21:52

that moment when they received treatment

21:54

for the thing they needed. It was like life

21:56

saving treatment. Which

21:59

is just a whole horrifying, just

22:02

a series of events.

22:03

Right.

22:03

The big problem is how did

22:07

how did those infected people

22:10

get to donate blood? Where

22:12

was the testing? Where was the like the

22:14

protection?

22:15

Right was their consent? What was the order

22:17

of operations? Dude?

22:19

They won't let people that have tattoos

22:21

donate blood, Like there.

22:23

Were people who visited the UK during mad

22:26

cow disease.

22:26

Right, I was saying, like, you know, there was

22:28

a communication systematic

22:31

breakdown at some stage of

22:33

this this event.

22:35

Well, if we're talking seventies and eighties now, remember that's

22:37

a good point. We've only known about HIV for

22:39

a certain amount of time where we were really

22:41

starting to understand it in the mid nineteen

22:43

eighties, So at that time when these

22:46

donations are going out, maybe there wasn't an

22:48

understanding right of whether or not or

22:50

how bad this would be, what it would be. And

22:53

also the hepatitis the thing we were

22:55

humans like, science was learning about

22:58

that stuff still, and there

23:00

was a monetary incentive to donate

23:02

blood. If you were a prisoner, you would get

23:05

paid, right when we're talking

23:07

about consent, Like what in

23:09

my mind, at least with this story, it wasn't the prisoners

23:11

being forced to donate. It was more like, yeah, donate

23:14

blood, I'm going to get some money.

23:18

That's the way it seems. And

23:20

this is something that went on for quite

23:22

a while before it was detected,

23:25

because again, when you

23:27

get that transfusion, you often

23:30

weren't aware that you've been infected with

23:32

anything for a long time,

23:35

right, It wasn't until people who receive treatments

23:37

began to get very sick and or die

23:40

that everyone kind of raised the flag and said, hey,

23:42

there's a problem here, we need to investigate. So

23:45

there is a huge There was a huge inquiry not

23:47

long ago, I think twenty nineteen, there

23:49

was a large public inquiry in the

23:52

United Kingdom, you know, just to gather information.

23:56

And it's something that has it

23:58

continues to happen right now. Wow, I believe

24:00

there's still it's still ongoing. So we need

24:02

to do a deep dive I think into this, especially

24:05

the I guess the processes

24:07

that went into the donation, the

24:10

donations from the Arkansas prison

24:12

system in particular.

24:13

Let's do an episode on the

24:17

blood trade or blood donation trade

24:19

in general. I think right like this, this

24:22

is a real thing, quite possibly

24:25

a real conspiracy.

24:26

You know.

24:28

The conspiratorial aspect, to your point, would

24:30

be when people knew about

24:32

it, or when institutions knew about

24:35

it, versus when they stopped

24:37

giving tainted blood to

24:40

two people, two innocent people. And

24:43

there's gosh, there's such hypocrisy

24:46

in blood donation. It wasn't too long ago

24:49

that someone's sexual orientation would

24:51

dictate whether or not they could donate blood.

24:54

We mentioned the mad cow controversy,

24:58

and you mentioned tattoos as well.

25:00

No, the

25:03

this twenty nineteen in quary you're talking

25:05

about matt Is it following up

25:07

on the earlier UK inquiry,

25:10

because yeah, a couple.

25:12

Yeah, it's been ongoing basically since

25:15

since that time, and things,

25:17

I guess precautions have been put into place. Blood

25:20

products of any sort began to be

25:22

screened for all types of things, like

25:24

any donated blood that's going to go

25:26

into any product begins getting screened

25:29

in nineteen ninety one. Then by the late

25:31

nineteen nineties, especially

25:33

for this treatment is factor eight

25:35

treatment. There's a synthetic option,

25:38

so you didn't actually need human blood

25:40

donation to make it right, which

25:42

is all good stuff for people suffering from hemophilia

25:45

that need this type of treatment. But

25:48

it doesn't stop. It

25:51

doesn't change that several

25:53

thousand people got infected over

25:55

the course of decades.

25:57

Why is there never news about

25:59

a blood surplus. It's always

26:01

like in the US, there was just a

26:03

new thing released this

26:06

week, maybe even yesterday, as we record

26:09

about emergency lack

26:12

of blood for people

26:15

who need it, Like it's just weird.

26:17

It's always a shortage. It's never a

26:19

situation where a country says we

26:21

have so much blood.

26:24

That would be troubling though, right, It would be a.

26:26

Weird headline, now that I say it out

26:28

loud, you know, like Romania

26:30

advertises free blood, more

26:33

like Transylvania.

26:34

Am I right?

26:35

We heard the number one holder of

26:38

blood of what supplies.

26:42

We're kind of known.

26:43

For our blood, having

26:46

a fire sale of blood. Blood,

26:48

blood, blood, all the blood must go.

26:50

This is a real problem

26:52

though, right, evidenced by the

26:56

the timeline of investigations

26:58

and the levels of government into which

27:00

these investigations have risen.

27:02

Oh yeah, absolutely so.

27:05

If you want to learn more, you can also search

27:08

the Contaminated Blood Scandal Hemophilia

27:11

Society. That's h A E M

27:13

O P h I L I A society

27:16

search for that. There's a great write up there. Again,

27:19

this is stuff you can find everywhere as well, El Juzira

27:21

The Guardian if you want to learn more about it on

27:23

your own, But if not, we're going to hopefully come

27:26

back with our findings in a full episode

27:28

shortly. So for now, thank

27:30

you, Zach. We'll be right back with more

27:33

messages from you.

27:40

And we're back with one more piece

27:43

of listener mail mail from

27:45

you. Yesu, This one

27:47

comes to us from tie Gin. This

27:50

is a great nickname. You can give yourself

27:52

a nickname.

27:53

It's nice spelled like the seasoning.

27:55

Though no it's Gin. That's

27:58

the silence D but just so you can visualize

28:01

it. But yeah, humble farmer,

28:03

we see you. He's a humble farmer.

28:05

Hu the boy is he?

28:07

Ever?

28:08

This one is a suggestion

28:11

for a handful of topics to look into, and

28:13

I think it's going to be fun to chat about the three of

28:15

these right quick, So let's jump

28:17

in. Hi, guys, you can call

28:20

me tie Jin. Longtime listener,

28:22

first time writer. First of all, you guys have mentioned

28:24

or talked about immortality and cloning

28:26

not too long ago. I was wondering if you had

28:28

ever read cy teen by C. J.

28:31

Cherry. There's a seemingly

28:34

silent h at the end of Cherry, but that's

28:36

how I'm going to say it. If not, I highly

28:38

recommend it. It explores cloning and human engineering

28:41

on a global scale. It is a very interesting

28:43

read and makes you consider the boons and

28:45

downfalls of such sciences. I'm

28:47

going to go through all these and then we'll hit them one at a time.

28:50

Secondly, and on a completely different topic, have

28:52

you ever covered the disappearance of Harold

28:54

Holt. He was a Prime Minister of Australia

28:57

who had disappeared while in office in nineteen

28:59

sixty seven. I haven't done much research on

29:01

this, but I'm very curious as to the possible

29:03

circumstances of his disappearance. Lastly,

29:06

on New Year's Day in Miami at

29:08

the Bayside Marketplace, apparently

29:11

there was a sighting of a ten foot tall

29:13

alien that caused a large panic.

29:15

I'm going to leave it at that so that we can get

29:17

to the details of that. In our conversation.

29:21

Tai Jen also included some very helpful

29:23

links and signed off.

29:26

So thanks Tijen, Ben you made an

29:28

expression as though you were familiar with Cyten

29:31

by CJ. Cherry. I read a bit about

29:33

it on the Internet without having actually

29:35

read it, but it sounds like a really cool piece

29:37

of prescient sci fi.

29:40

Oh yeah, yeah. Well has

29:42

always like to point out the good

29:44

sci fi is always prescient and fiction

29:47

only for a certain amount of time. I just really

29:50

appreciated that. Shout out, Tijen

29:52

and quit pro quo clarice

29:55

as they say, shout out to your awesome

29:57

name. I like your point about choosing

29:59

nickname as well, NOL. And

30:02

this is that these are

30:04

three great topics. These

30:06

are three great things to explore.

30:08

I wonder we've talked a little bit

30:10

about Harold Holt. These are also great.

30:13

No, what's your initial reaction when

30:15

you read this first topic? Oh?

30:18

Just I mean, like I said, I'm not familiar with the book, but

30:21

I'm a huge fan of science fiction that

30:23

gets the future right. And

30:25

it does seem like this citing series

30:28

or is it a series? Or is it just a single book? Does

30:31

you know? Like I said, I read some synopsies online.

30:34

It sounds pretty complex, as oftentimes

30:36

some of these types of novels are.

30:38

But have you read Citeen Ben

30:41

by C. J.

30:42

Cherry?

30:42

I read. I want to if

30:45

I'm remembering this correctly. I

30:47

want to say it's just the one book.

30:50

I don't think it's a series. But I do remember

30:52

it because it was when it

30:56

was this golden age in used

30:58

bookstores where you can get any

31:00

quote unquote genre fiction in paperback

31:03

form for like less than

31:05

a dollar if it was a used book. So

31:07

I went through a lot of sci fi paperbacks

31:09

at that time. But I do think it

31:12

is. I

31:15

do think it is just the one book.

31:17

I believe. I picked it up because it won

31:19

a Hugo Award.

31:21

Yeah, look look at looking it up now, it

31:23

does appear to be just the one book. And

31:25

Ben, I'm with you on the mining

31:28

thrift stories for you know, fantasy and sci

31:30

fi novels. I actually stumbled upon a

31:32

book called The Wizard's Mole

31:35

by none other than friend of the show

31:37

and UH and owner of the complaints

31:40

email box, Jonathan Strickland's father,

31:43

Brad Strickland. Yeah, and I haven't

31:45

read that. Well, it's funny

31:47

speaking of series versus one offs. I

31:49

texted Jonathan when I was at the bookstore,

31:51

send him a picture of it for lulls, and

31:53

he responded, don't get it.

31:55

It's the eighth book in a fifteen

31:57

book series. You won't have any idea

32:00

what's going on. Not

32:02

The Case with Cyteen by CJ. Cherry, which

32:04

came out in nineteen eighty eight, involves

32:07

a planet that has become

32:09

toxic for humans to live on and

32:12

the necessity to create kind

32:14

of capsule communities,

32:17

capsule colonies like the

32:19

biodome kind of situations within

32:21

the city, and it of course

32:24

involves politics, like a lot of the

32:26

best science fiction does, and when it's

32:28

done well, it's not as snoozy

32:30

as one might think. I think Star Trek

32:32

is a great example of doing politics

32:35

in a way that is actually very interesting

32:37

and educational when it comes to thinking about

32:39

the politics of Earth today. But

32:42

yeah, very much so. This involves a lot of human

32:44

cloning and the idea

32:46

of these womb tanks incubated

32:49

incubators called womb tanks, which

32:51

I think is a great nomenclature. But

32:53

I don't want to give anything away. I actually want to read this. I

32:55

may do it as an audiobook on an upcoming

32:57

trip, but yeah, let's move

33:00

on. Thanks for the recommendation. To

33:02

the second topic, it was about

33:04

the Prime Minister of Australia,

33:08

Harold Holt. I didn't remember

33:10

this, but Ben you said you remember

33:12

either not necessarily doing a full episode, but it may

33:14

have come up in other research. This

33:17

kind of disappeared suspiciously, or at the very

33:19

least suddenly during a swim

33:21

a swimming expedition, and he was known

33:24

for his love of the swim. He

33:26

was a big swimmer, strong swimmer.

33:28

As they say, yes, yes, one of those

33:30

folks who would have gotten their cups

33:32

and said, you know, I wish i'd been bowl

33:34

on adulphin shout out to shout

33:37

out to folks like trees

33:40

And as for alien and

33:43

fellow ben down under our Australian

33:45

listeners, you're you're aware of this, and

33:48

Matt check me here. I think maybe it was an Australian

33:51

listener who tipped us

33:53

with Harold Holt way back in the day.

33:55

For some reason, I'm associating it

33:57

with our mysterious Disappearances phase

34:00

a Llah you know, dag Hammer, Scold

34:02

and stuff like that.

34:04

Yeah, ah, yeah, yeah,

34:07

I'm searching through our meta right now, guys,

34:09

to try and because it sounds

34:12

so familiar to me.

34:13

I didn't find a full episode on it, and it's

34:15

flicked through, I think maybe it's like a cavalcade

34:18

of where did these people go?

34:20

Totally well, you know, because of

34:22

his his you know, notoriety

34:26

obviously as a prominent politician, I believe he

34:28

was pretty well well liked and

34:30

his reputations being such a strong swimmer.

34:32

This is what of course caused speculation

34:35

to take place, you

34:37

know, around the nature of his

34:39

disappearance. And I think it

34:41

was ultimately ruled like death by a misadventure,

34:44

one of those kind of things. But there

34:46

is a not to make

34:49

light of the loss of a human life.

34:51

But there was something that I read in the just a

34:53

cursory glance through the wiki about this

34:55

guy that there was a like

34:57

a national like creation

35:00

center in Melbourne that was named

35:02

after him, and an indoor pool

35:05

and a lot of a lot of Aussi's apparently

35:08

find that to be a little bit ironic,

35:10

don't you think, But that's sort of the

35:12

point. You know, he was known for his love of the

35:15

water, so name a pool

35:18

center after him.

35:19

You know what's funny here, Tijan

35:21

and Noel and Matt and everybody tuning

35:24

in, is that this very

35:26

evening as we record, not

35:29

too long ago, someone

35:31

released a story called The

35:33

Enduring Enigma, Harold Holt's disappearance

35:36

and the swirl of conspiracy theories.

35:38

The most famous theory, which I think

35:41

it's quoted often. I can't remember if we mentioned

35:43

this one, is that this guy

35:45

who entered politics at a very young age.

35:48

I think he was in his late twenties. He's like twenty

35:50

seven years old when he enters politics.

35:52

That's right.

35:52

The idea is that the

35:55

most popular fringe speculation

35:58

is that the entire time he was an

36:00

OP, he was an agent of

36:02

the Chinese government at

36:04

that when he was swimming, he wasn't

36:07

on a recreational swim.

36:10

He was instead physically

36:12

swimming out to meet a

36:15

submarine from China.

36:17

How presumably containing his handlers.

36:21

It doesn't make sense if you ever had to meet

36:23

a submarine China Australia.

36:26

I'm bad at geography.

36:28

It has to surface right to do anything.

36:30

You can't go they

36:32

pick him up.

36:32

They has

36:34

to surf, which

36:37

means, unless things are absolutely

36:39

fubar, you are on a

36:41

small boat on the way

36:43

to the submarine. That's how those

36:46

work.

36:46

It's a dinghy sitch, you know. But

36:51

but the the story I heard is that he got pulled

36:54

out with a rip current. Basically he was

36:56

just swimming, you know, as a human swims

36:58

and water and got rid to see and that

37:01

was it.

37:01

I mean, it's the same thing with Jeff Buckley, the gorgeous,

37:04

wonderful singer. I

37:06

say gorgeous, not now referring to his looks,

37:09

but he was also a good looking man. But he died.

37:11

It was tragically swept away by a strong

37:14

river current, you know, and you

37:17

know, and he was a guy who was known to swim all

37:19

the time.

37:20

So it was also Glen Glenn Miller,

37:22

one of the most famous musicians at

37:24

the time of his disappearance. Uh,

37:27

the reality is that the

37:29

ocean is brutal and is

37:31

enormous can

37:34

be left, he lost

37:37

and the like, I

37:39

don't know, there was there was a

37:41

huge investigation. And you made

37:43

a beautiful point earlier, which is

37:45

that whenever a prominent

37:48

public figure dies

37:51

or disappears, whatever the

37:53

circumstances, a certain contingent

37:56

of the public will have

37:58

an alternative explanation her theory.

38:00

It doesn't For instance, it doesn't

38:02

matter like if who's

38:05

someone who's super famous. If Neil de grass

38:07

Tyson today, God

38:10

forbid, slipped and fell

38:12

on camera and like

38:16

died in that dark lottery

38:18

of accidental death or death by misadventure

38:21

as you put it, then regardless

38:24

of how much proof there was around

38:26

the circumstances of that demise,

38:28

there would inevitably be a group of

38:30

people who are like, here's what

38:33

really happened, you know what I mean?

38:35

You got to look at the diet cokes in the green room

38:38

and stuff like that.

38:40

It's true. He

38:43

was going to let it slip that the Earth is actually

38:45

flat.

38:46

That's why they got him big, big

38:48

round, get them big

38:51

round. I mean. The Herald

38:53

Hole story,

38:56

though, is still really troubling because

38:59

it hasn't like they've never found the body,

39:01

right, habeas corpus ever occurred?

39:04

Yeah?

39:04

But you know what else? They never found the bodies off?

39:06

Guys?

39:07

What's that the shadow extraterrestriels

39:09

that were chilling in Miami?

39:12

No, they never whence

39:14

those shadows?

39:15

Right?

39:15

Like what's making the shadows?

39:17

Uh?

39:18

Maybe we break down that for the context,

39:20

because I know we again we talked about earlier

39:22

this week. We're just hanging out. Uh, but

39:25

what's the what's the scoop? How can we

39:27

do that in like a headline version?

39:29

Well?

39:29

Shoot, I don't even know all the details, guys. I've gotten

39:32

most of the information from Instagram

39:34

reels that I could not I

39:36

could not find any confirmation

39:39

about the facts. And then the stuff

39:41

you can find to confirm is like,

39:44

oh, yeah, there were some teens at the mall

39:46

and they had an altercation, so fifty

39:48

cop cars showed up.

39:50

Yeah, but it was apparently fifty teens.

39:53

Sorry not to spoil it, but yeah, tell me no,

39:55

well, no ten foot tall alien at the Miami

39:58

Galleria what, Yeah,

40:00

it's a mold. I

40:03

know they could have used the press. But you know,

40:05

there's a video that made you know, remember

40:07

like that those people in the backyard. Wasn't that

40:09

in Florida? And there was exposedly an alien,

40:11

like a glimpse of an alien.

40:12

But there's people in a back But there are a lot

40:14

of those videos, there are.

40:16

And I saw the video for this one, and it's overhead

40:18

shot with all the cop activity,

40:21

which involves flashing blue

40:23

lights, y'all, which is something that's

40:25

often heralded that are associated with the appearance

40:27

of extraterrestrials, and there is the

40:29

the detail I can only assume is what people are talking

40:32

about, is this blurry form behind

40:35

one of the flashing blue lights that apparently

40:37

is nothing more than three police officers

40:39

walking in a line together. But when

40:41

you look at it with the angle of

40:44

the elevated shot, the overhead

40:46

shot, it's harder to make out

40:49

what's the word I'm looking for kind of orientation, So

40:51

the side by side of them

40:54

almost appears to be stacked because

40:56

you're seeing it blurred, So it does look like a

40:58

you know, the scale of it's all all wow out

41:00

so you can't quite tell what you're looking at, but it does appear

41:03

to be a large atall form face.

41:05

Out of ours. Yeah, paradolia, right,

41:08

that's probably right. Yeah, that's from a January

41:10

eighth, twenty twenty four post on x

41:14

formerly known as Twitter. There

41:17

there's something I saw right

41:20

now. Actually, forgive me, guys

41:22

for googling and searching while we're

41:24

while we're on the air, but it looks like just

41:28

earlier today, holy

41:30

spokes. Yeah, at four five

41:33

pm today, someone came

41:35

out and said, the Miami Police have

41:37

refuted the allegations

41:40

that there was an alien invasion.

41:42

So good on you, miamipd.

41:44

The quote specifically, I believe

41:48

hang on, nothing is being

41:50

with help from the public. No aliens,

41:52

UFOs or ets.

41:54

No airports were closed, no power

41:57

out it is I love it that they led with no aliens,

41:59

you haves and not the like

42:02

more practical the

42:04

response of the airports and

42:06

power outages.

42:07

But of course they're gonna say that, why

42:09

do you need fifty cop cars.

42:11

I don't care how many teens are fighting, there

42:14

aren't fifty squad cars immediately

42:16

available unless you call like you literally

42:18

do a calling all cars for all of Miami.

42:21

Right, And also let me point out that

42:25

if it's fifty teens and then it's

42:27

fifty cops, that parent

42:29

to student ratio is way

42:32

higher than what you would see in Miami public

42:34

schools.

42:35

Yeah, Miami goes hard, dude, Miami

42:37

gets lit.

42:38

I don't you know. I love Miami. Got

42:40

a lot of contacts in Miami. We're listening to the show

42:43

right now and can continually

42:45

invite it. But I just feel like I'm fro

42:47

Do when I go there. Everybody's so cool

42:50

and so beautiful, and then I'm like, you

42:52

know what, I'm like Frodo in the Land of the

42:54

Elves when I go to Miami.

42:56

You know, I thought Frodo was pretty cute. Thanks,

42:59

man, Elijah Wood type fellow, you're

43:01

a bit of an Elijah Would esque figure.

43:03

Ben.

43:04

You can hold your own against the elf any day of the week.

43:07

Now, I've never never been to Miami, but it does seem

43:09

like the kind of place that Aliens would rock,

43:12

you know, they'd be like that place seems wild.

43:14

Let's check that out.

43:15

Sure, why not do what we want? It'll be under

43:17

the ocean and you know

43:20

pretty soon.

43:20

So we always just think of the movie Spring

43:23

Breakers, which is a Florida man

43:25

kind of situation, and the character that James

43:27

Franco plays somewhat problematically

43:29

borrowing maybe not problematically, well neither Twitter

43:31

f raft in and of himself may be problematic, but borrowing

43:34

Riff Raff's whole game the rapper, and

43:37

his name of course in the film is Alien, which I always

43:39

thought was kind of funny and ironic.

43:41

Now we do have to we do have to

43:44

point out something that I think you're getting

43:46

toward there, Matt, which is the

43:49

teams, like the kids

43:51

in this situation are real.

43:54

It's projected that there was roughly fifty

43:56

kids. We were talking about this again earlier

43:59

and they were, I think, what

44:02

was it like shooting fireworks at

44:04

other people at the mall. They were

44:06

doing the thing where you go into a

44:08

small brick and mortar store with a big

44:10

group of people and you sort of

44:12

count on the idea that their maximum

44:15

staff amount is going to be three to

44:17

four folks, and then you just if you go

44:20

in there with therefore like fifteen

44:22

to twenty folks on your side,

44:25

then you can just grab whatever you want.

44:28

Yeah, I've seen that too. I think

44:30

it's just we're in this

44:32

place now where everything gets muddied

44:35

so quickly because there are so many loud

44:37

voices on social media that get I

44:40

guess, more attention paid to them

44:42

than even the written article from

44:44

the journalist who got paid a salary to

44:46

write that and

44:49

to investigate it and make phone calls and find

44:51

out what's going on. So it

44:54

in my mind, the alien stuff

44:56

is so much more prominent and interesting

44:58

that I it's almost as though my

45:02

eyes look to that because that's

45:04

cooler than ohs, there are some younger

45:06

people fighting.

45:07

You know, yeah, and not just investigative

45:10

research, investigative journalism. It's not

45:12

just phone calls. It's also digging through,

45:15

actually reading through all

45:18

sorts of things that are perhaps

45:20

by design not page

45:22

turners, not fun to read. And like

45:24

the I think you're right.

45:26

It reminds me of what we were talking about earlier

45:29

this week when Davos we

45:31

don't always agree with Davos, folks, when

45:34

Davos pointed out that AI misinformation

45:38

is a genuine short term

45:40

threat, and this this sort of hall

45:43

of mirrors that are facing

45:45

each other, reflecting nothing. It creates

45:47

a feedback loop and an echo chamber. What

45:50

are you what are you going to say? You're gonna

45:52

like if you're the person who

45:54

is trying to get attention in the dopamine

45:57

casino, are you going to go with

45:59

a headline it says cops cracked

46:01

down on children launching

46:03

fireworks? Or you're going to go with a

46:05

headline that says aliens of Miami

46:08

and then just cover your ass with a question mark

46:10

at the end. Yeah, I

46:12

yield my time. Sorry,

46:13

I feel you on that now.

46:15

No, you said it all, Ben, you

46:17

said it all, but man, huge

46:20

thanks to tij In for the excellent

46:22

topics. It sounds to me like we're going to do a deep

46:24

dive episode on the blood

46:27

transfusion scandal over

46:30

there in Arkansas and

46:32

looking forward to that one.

46:34

And with that we have much

46:36

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46:39

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46:41

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