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And last week we took

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a little bit of a break and in place

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of our strange news and listener mail

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segments, we published some classic

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episodes. We hope you enjoy them,

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and we are back in the

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game. The news is going

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crazy. We do want to

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touch on several stories that are

1:02

still developing and will probably end up

1:04

being future episodes. Spoiler

1:07

alert. When you hear the news

1:09

about Kazakhstan and Russia,

1:12

ask yourself where the world's uranium

1:14

comes from? Of it

1:16

comes from Kazakhstan and

1:19

uh. Some sources that have

1:22

to remain anonymous have have told me some

1:24

stuff that's pretty eye opening.

1:26

But we'll get to that later. Yes,

1:31

oh quite a bit. Uh And for now,

1:34

we're going to explore some stories

1:36

about the future of farts, the

1:39

rise of the pig hearted, and

1:41

a terrifying illness

1:44

that is going through Canada. And

1:46

this is something that a couple of folks

1:49

had written to us or to me

1:51

about in in the past.

1:53

But it's definitely a story that

1:55

we have our eyes on. Also,

1:58

you know, before we've been gain guys, this

2:01

is one of the first times I thought the

2:03

pandemics really working for me because

2:06

everybody, a lot of us are working from

2:08

home now and we don't have to deal with

2:10

the horrific Atlanta traffic that occurs

2:12

whenever President rolls through town. I

2:15

think this is the first time in my life

2:17

I thought, Okay, well, I hope everyone has

2:19

a good time instead of being if I

2:21

had for two hours. Yeah, as we

2:24

record this, the current President Biden

2:26

is speaking right now somewhere

2:28

in our city about the need to the

2:30

urgent need for legislation, which

2:33

is way different from saying I'm going

2:35

to do something. Just need a lot

2:37

of that, need a lot of a lot of that. Um,

2:39

it's crazy. Speaking of traffic, you guys

2:41

here about the traffic jams,

2:44

and I believe New York one

2:46

five that were so bad during those storms

2:49

that like people got stuck with like six uber

2:52

bills Virginia down.

2:56

Uh. And I'm still wondering why

2:58

there weren't a media lead mobile

3:01

shelters built, you know what I mean, like FEMA

3:03

coming and through with some kind of Uncle

3:05

Sam version of a yurk. It's a good question.

3:08

But apparently, um, a lot of the news

3:11

cruise and helicopters that were shooting

3:13

the whole thing didn't shy away from filming

3:15

people getting out of their cars and um dropping

3:17

trout and using the restroom.

3:21

Well, I mean, if if it peas,

3:23

it leads. No, if

3:29

it lacks speed, it leads

3:31

the traffic chat never

3:33

mind where we're all we're all speeds.

3:36

If it PEPs, it's a scoot. That's

3:39

that's the one, see

3:41

it alright? Sorry, yeah, but

3:44

we I think we all talked maybe with

3:46

our colleagues or maybe separately off

3:48

air about this first

3:50

story in this week's segment, which is the

3:54

which is an illness story and it

3:56

does not appear to be COVID. Right,

3:58

there's a mystery a flitt Yes,

4:01

very much so and very much not COVID.

4:03

Uh. This is a neurological degenerative

4:06

disease of some sort or multiple

4:09

diseases, and it's

4:11

in a fairly small cluster

4:13

of forty eight people. And you may think,

4:15

why are you talking about something that's only affecting

4:17

forty eight people on this planet where

4:19

there's tons of things affecting way

4:22

more people. Uh, Well, because

4:24

it's puzzling. It's very frightening

4:26

when you look at the symptoms that are being described

4:29

and what these forty eight people are dealing with.

4:31

So that's that's why we're covering it today.

4:34

And to talk about at first, we have to

4:36

travel just northeast of Maine

4:39

into Canada, into New Brunswick.

4:42

That is where this cluster of forty

4:44

individuals live, and

4:46

that's where something is

4:48

affecting people of various

4:51

ages. It's especially

4:53

frightening, by the way, because this whatever this

4:55

disease is, whatever this thing is, it's affecting

4:57

young people with an

5:00

intense neurodegenerative

5:02

disease. And to begin, we're going to jump

5:04

to the Guardian and read the story Whistleblower

5:07

Warren's baffling illness affects growing

5:09

number of young adults in Canadian

5:11

Province. It was published on January

5:14

second, and it was written by Leland

5:16

Seco. Okay, so

5:19

I think the first thing I want to start with, I've

5:21

just kind of said some of the main points. Here's forty eight

5:23

individuals. It was announced

5:26

in the spring of last year, little

5:28

less than a year ago when this cluster

5:30

of people were announced. And

5:32

the reason why the word whistle blower is in there is because

5:34

someone has come forward to state that this

5:37

is way bigger of a problem than

5:40

the reaction that it's receiving from officials

5:43

in New Brunswick, in Canada and

5:45

just the medical community. Essentially,

5:48

let's talk about some of the people

5:50

and what's happening to them. If you read

5:53

that article, you will read about a suspected

5:55

case that would be within this cluster of

5:57

a man who is developing, you know, what you

5:59

would consider dementia and

6:03

a few other symptoms. His wife was

6:05

taking care of him, she was his caregiver

6:08

as he was, you know, going through this degeneration,

6:11

and suddenly she began experiencing

6:13

strange symptoms losing sleep, muscle

6:16

wasting which you can imagine

6:18

that muscles breaking down, dementia,

6:20

and hallucinations herself. And

6:23

at the time that this article was written, the

6:26

wife was experiencing worse symptoms

6:28

than the husband, the person for whom she was

6:30

caring um. And

6:32

you know that's pretty scary, right Does

6:35

that mean you think about those two

6:37

cases together, does that mean

6:39

that the wife caught something from

6:41

the husband That generally doesn't It

6:43

doesn't work that way with these kind

6:46

of neurodegenerative diseases,

6:48

you know, the way you think COVID would or some

6:50

other flu like thing. You

6:52

don't just catch it from somebody.

6:55

If you're just thinking about those two cases, you imagine,

6:57

well, is it something in the environment, like

6:59

in their home? Is it something they both you

7:01

know, we're breathing, or something that they ate

7:04

or drank, like what could cause this?

7:06

And it just gets weirder from there

7:08

because then you start looking at other individuals where

7:10

there seems to be some kind of communicative

7:13

effect with whatever this disease

7:15

is. There was a I'm

7:17

just gonna continue reading from that same article from the Guardian.

7:20

There was a woman in her thirties who was described

7:22

as a non verbal feeding with the

7:24

tube and was experiencing drooling,

7:27

and her caregiver was a young woman in

7:29

her twenties and nursing student who

7:31

also after caring for this

7:34

person began developing some

7:36

of the same things, some neurological decline

7:39

that would be again described as similar to

7:41

what her patient was experiencing.

7:43

So it's just very it's

7:46

frightening. Like imagine that guy's imagine

7:48

if there was the fear

7:50

of something like COVID, which

7:53

is dangerous and deadly in some cases.

7:56

Imagine if instead of it affecting

7:58

your chest and you know, your ability

8:01

to to breathe, it was affecting the way

8:03

that your brain functioned and

8:05

your ability to say words and speak sentences

8:08

and understand concepts and move

8:10

your body. Um, it's

8:13

terrifying. And I think that's why this case

8:16

and these stories it's being written

8:18

about all across the internet. And it's also

8:20

um, it's something that verges

8:22

on being overblown.

8:26

You can overblow this very quickly

8:28

because it is only forty eight individuals,

8:30

as I keep saying, but it is something

8:32

that could potentially be

8:34

worst case scenario, you know, for humanity

8:38

and laughing because it's that scary

8:40

to me. It's a black box, right, because

8:42

it's not obeying the

8:46

constraints or the behaviors

8:49

of recognized conditions,

8:51

right, No genetic links, possible environmental

8:54

factors, and to be honest,

8:58

the Canadian authority and

9:00

government made a lot of missteps

9:03

here, and they're the kind of missteps

9:05

that can lead people to

9:07

increasingly alarmist conclusions,

9:10

whether or not those conclusions are well

9:12

founded. You could almost say that

9:15

is another symptom

9:17

of the infection is the

9:19

government not being super helpful

9:21

about it, which is something anybody

9:24

in a country that has been dealing with

9:26

COVID, anybody in most countries dealing with COVID,

9:28

can completely and unfortunately

9:30

experientially understand. It's interesting.

9:33

I mean, I guess I hear the term whistle

9:35

blower, and I usually think of like corporations doing

9:37

bad things people's health with their products

9:39

or polluting or whatever. But I guess

9:41

at the end of the day, there was a whistleblower.

9:44

There was a whistleblower when COVID first became

9:47

a news item. Chinese government

9:50

did try to cover it up, essentially. Yeah,

9:53

And in this case, it's just someone stepping forward

9:55

and saying, hey, this is way worse than the authorities

9:57

are saying than the medical you know, officials

10:00

are saying. And we can learn that by

10:02

seeing what the New Brunswick

10:05

Office of the Chief Medical Officer

10:07

of Health has to say,

10:09

or at least that's what the office has to say.

10:12

You can read New Brunswick Cluster

10:14

of Neurological Syndrome of Unknown

10:16

Cause. In here you can actually get

10:18

a breakdown of, you know, the people

10:20

experiencing this stuff. You can read some

10:23

of the findings and the

10:25

response by the government. You can

10:27

read through some of that. It is it is.

10:30

It's one of those things that when you look through it, it appears

10:32

to be saying, we don't know if

10:35

these people are experiencing the same things. They

10:37

don't seem to be. It seems to be you

10:39

know, separate neurological disorders

10:41

that are coming into play here, um

10:44

a varying severity, and

10:46

uh, these people don't seem to be experiencing the same

10:49

thing. However, however,

10:53

this is one of the reasons that the whistleblower

10:56

came forward because there does appear

10:58

to be something bigger

11:00

at play here that just isn't being seen

11:02

or spoken about yet or at least taken

11:05

seriously. And those of our works

11:07

for a company called Vitality. Vitality

11:09

with a little accent over the E is that like

11:12

a healthcare network of some kind or

11:14

is there any relevance to the story, uh surrounding

11:17

this company and why that was mentioned

11:19

in the article. It's described as a health network.

11:21

I do not know exactly way is. I know it's one of the

11:24

main authorities on healthcare within

11:27

I think I don't know if it's just the New Brunswick

11:29

area or if it's just you know, that

11:31

particular part of Canada. I just don't have enough information

11:33

on it. I apologize, no, no, no, this

11:36

is this is what we mean when we

11:38

say things are developing, right,

11:40

because there's stuff that's still being

11:43

unrolled in this hopefully

11:46

not conspiratorial tapestry.

11:48

But there there is one thing

11:50

that really stood out to me, and at first

11:53

I didn't believe it, but I went

11:55

back and read through that Guardian

11:57

article and then I went to some other

12:00

um Canadian based news sources,

12:03

and there there's a group of

12:05

scientists who are indicating

12:08

that there may be an environmental

12:11

culprit like you, like you induded to

12:14

Matt, specifically one

12:16

involved in one of the

12:18

big economies of New Brunswick,

12:20

which is the which is lobster, right,

12:23

the lobster trade. And there's this line

12:26

that I saw quoted in multiple sources

12:28

multiple reputable sources where

12:31

scientists are saying we

12:34

are ready to begin research.

12:38

We're ready to do a full investigation

12:41

into this so that we can interpret data

12:44

and you know, we can compare contrast.

12:46

But quote new Brunswick has

12:48

specifically told us not to go forward

12:51

with that work. Yes, that

12:53

sounds very discordant. Yeah,

12:56

it's it's um.

12:58

This is where the spiracy stuff

13:00

comes in, because, as

13:03

you stated been, lobster

13:05

fishing is a major thing. Imagine

13:08

Maine in the United States, how

13:10

big lobster fishing is as an

13:12

industry there. Now, just to go a little bit northeast,

13:14

you're in the same waters. It's the same

13:17

deal there. And there

13:19

was a study that you can actually read. It's linked to

13:21

in that in that Guardian article that

13:23

takes you too, m d p I. It's

13:26

a journal where you can read about neurotoxins

13:30

that exist in certain aquatic food sources

13:32

for humans and specifically named

13:35

in there are crustaceans like

13:37

lobsters. And there

13:40

was a survey of thirty four of the forty

13:42

eight individuals who are experiencing these things.

13:44

And guess what of

13:46

those thirty four people had been

13:49

ingesting lobster. I

13:52

didn't know how many guests imagine

13:57

Maine. Sounds like a great tag for a tourism

14:01

match. Well,

14:03

but here's the deal. There's no control

14:06

group to compare the results

14:08

of those thirty or four people's the survey

14:10

that they took, So you can't

14:12

say, well, lobster is definitely a

14:15

thing, even though of the people

14:17

surveyed who are having these problems ate it because

14:20

I mean, maybe of

14:23

all people in that area

14:25

New Brunswick eat lobster because it's

14:27

part of the main you know, it's a main industry, and it's

14:29

just one of the foods that's available and it's fresh

14:31

and you eat it. Um.

14:34

So there's no way to really link that unless you have a

14:36

control group and then control

14:39

group and and uh, great

14:42

show. Check it out still on Apple podcast.

14:44

It's really good. I

14:47

was just watching Guys. I just started it that

14:50

that Netflix movie about the

14:52

government's in action when they're told that there's

14:54

a planet killer event. Don't look up. Don't

14:56

look up, dude.

14:59

It feels like, yeah, I've

15:01

just begun it. But it feels like that

15:03

kind of thing where it's a political

15:06

move to allow the study

15:08

of one of the main industries in your

15:11

province or your area, because if

15:13

something bad comes up in there, uh,

15:16

we we can't sell lobster

15:18

anymore, or you know, we have to

15:20

cull a ton of the lobsters that we

15:22

bring in, and we, you know, our industry begins

15:25

to die. It's a political

15:27

choice then, rather than a choice

15:29

of of healthcare and people's

15:31

well being. Right, we get into

15:34

very murky territory very quickly.

15:36

We're not just talking about deep ocean fishing. We're

15:38

talking about things like the concept

15:40

of acceptable margins of loss right,

15:43

and then the idea that um

15:46

more in depth or comprehensive studies

15:49

could reveal not just

15:53

the cause of forty eight

15:55

individual medical

15:57

conditions, but it could have much

16:00

larger implications for the

16:02

future. You know. I think one thing we've

16:04

all learned in our

16:06

collective experience over the past few years

16:09

is that reports of transmissible

16:12

diseases are a lot like the

16:15

cockroach rule in your

16:17

kitchen at home. If you see

16:19

one roach, then that means that

16:21

there are many more that you are not seen. And

16:23

so for everyone reported case,

16:26

uh, it is unfortunately safe

16:28

to assume there are many more unreported

16:30

cases and that it might

16:33

be a powder keg politically and uh,

16:36

medically, dude. This

16:39

is if you continue reading that

16:41

one Guardian article, you get down and

16:43

you start hearing quotations from people

16:45

whose family members have gone through

16:48

this, some of them have passed away. And

16:51

I'm gonna read this one quote, um,

16:55

just really quickly. It is from

16:57

a family member of someone who passed They

16:59

said, I'd don't know why the province wouldn't

17:01

just do the science and look, they

17:03

have my dad's remains. We've given

17:05

them full permission to do toxicology

17:08

and what needs to be done. Yet nothing

17:10

has been looked at and they just can't

17:12

understand we you know, we made

17:14

the choice to give our father's

17:17

remains to you to test

17:19

to save other people, and you're not doing

17:22

it. Why why are you not doing that?

17:25

And no,

17:28

at least at the time that this article is written,

17:30

I haven't seen any updates to it either. Um

17:33

yeah, I would just I

17:37

would just say, hey, people look into

17:39

this and we don't want to be alarmist here because again

17:41

there's a small number of people and maybe nothing, but

17:43

if there's a high level of b M

17:46

a A, which is the neurotoxin that has been

17:48

found in fairly large amounts in

17:50

some lobster in that area. Um,

17:53

people need to know. You gotta think twice

17:55

about what you put in your body, especially if you're feeding

17:57

your child or you're a loved one. Like people

18:01

should be informed. And in the end

18:03

it does have major effects on the industry

18:05

or it could m But is

18:08

that I don't know. Wait wait

18:10

way those human lives versus that you

18:12

know, that lobster money. And it'd

18:14

be interesting too to extend this study, uh

18:17

into lobster fisheries

18:20

in Maine and in the northeastern

18:22

coast of the US, including places like

18:24

Rhode Island, because wildlife

18:26

and infections do not practice political

18:29

borders made by humans, you know what

18:32

I mean. It's not if there is something related

18:34

to the lobster, which again is unproven,

18:36

that is just a speculation that cannot be

18:39

proven or disproven yet if it

18:41

is something to do with the environment

18:43

in any way, be it lobsters or some other cause,

18:46

it's not as if those lobsters are going

18:48

to get to the Canadian US border and

18:50

then all of a sudden becomes safe, you

18:52

know. Um. Also, in a very selfish note,

18:55

I got really into ordering weird seafood

18:58

online during the pandemic and I'm

19:00

starting to rethink that. Um also,

19:03

I was ordering from sustainable places.

19:05

Not to be too um political,

19:09

but but the ocean is, the maritime

19:11

ecosystem is collapsing. I wonder if

19:13

that could be part of this as well. Oh

19:16

lord, yeah, that's a whole bigger

19:19

bowl of fish. Not a bowl of fish, it's a it's

19:21

a lot. That's a whole thing. Cease

19:23

Percy and all um.

19:26

And just to show that this has been happening

19:28

for a long time, has been reported about for

19:30

a long time. Back in March

19:33

of one, there's another Guardian

19:35

article you can read titled Mystery brain

19:37

disorder baffles Canadian doctors

19:40

and it's about the same things, what

19:42

is going on, why is it happening and

19:45

how? And there were forty three cases at

19:47

that time. Yeah, look into it.

19:49

Maybe makes make your own decision really about what

19:51

you think is happening, I guess. But yeah,

19:54

if we need to get the call out to like, let's

19:56

just let's do some testing, even if it needs to be a third

19:58

party, independent group they comes in and test a

20:00

lobster. That should probably happen like

20:03

last year around March. I agree.

20:06

Okay, well, you're welcome for your weekly dose

20:08

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I'm sure there's in it's

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it's just I don't know to me in you

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the cryptocurrency, blockchain or

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associated with, UH in order to validate

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digital assets of any kind, you can

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turn anything into an n f T. We had. We saw,

21:14

um, you know, the head of Twitter

21:17

minting the first ever tweet

21:19

as an n f T. And what does it mean to own

21:21

a digital asset, you might ask, Well, not

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and and um the monkeys

21:32

or whatever they are, the guerrillas, I guess they're very

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unequivocally say this is mine

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and I own this, but people can

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still screenshot them and at the end of the day, it's

21:55

just a jpeg, uh, and you

21:57

know, you can make it your profile picture, but someone

22:00

else can also screenshot and naked there's and then there's

22:02

actually been a lot of to do around there. People

22:04

are like, hey, man, that's mine. You you don't know that, You've

22:06

got to take it down. I'll sue you. But it's

22:08

like, yeah, good luck, um man. And maybe

22:10

there's a path to that, but it has

22:13

become a bit of a emperor

22:16

has no close kind of situation to

22:18

me. It just kind of shows the inherent hollowness

22:21

and shallowness of things like

22:24

um art as commodities. You

22:26

know. I mean, if anything, I think it's just kind of like a dystopian

22:28

sci fi way of saying, yeah,

22:30

things are worth whatever we say they are, uh,

22:33

and if it's uh, and these things aren't

22:35

even cool looking most of them, mean some of them are.

22:37

You know, there's like people or whatever. The guy

22:39

that sold a billion dollar n f

22:41

T who was a collection of like, you know, hundreds

22:43

and hundreds of all of these digital images

22:46

that he had already made publicly available on his

22:48

Instagram, you know for years it

22:50

was just like a very very large image macro

22:53

with all of these as tiny little pixels um.

22:55

And I think it's it's sold for a billion dollars. And so there's

22:57

been this crazy people thinking, Okay, n f T s are

22:59

gonna be the new cryptocurrency, or

23:01

they are cryptocurrency in and of themselves

23:04

kind of they're a token um that you

23:06

can then resell them, of course, and and like cryptocurrencies,

23:09

they can appreciate or depreciate

23:11

and value um. So it's really just opened up this

23:13

kind of whole feeding frenzy around

23:16

it, and it's starting to get really silly

23:18

because people like, well, what's the guy's name that

23:20

played al on on Home Improvement?

23:23

Do you guys remember his name probably not. You probably just

23:25

remember him as Al No

23:29

not no, no. We know we know Tim Allen

23:31

from other things like the Santa clause. But this guy's

23:34

okay, yeah, well that too. Um,

23:36

that was in a previous life. Let's let's give the

23:38

guy. Let's give the guy a pass there I suppose, Um,

23:40

but Al was the

23:43

guy who was his trusty sidekick. UM.

23:45

And he also I think hosted like an

23:47

iteration of family feud for a time. He's

23:50

getting in there. He was getting an n f T S but then

23:52

he was kind of shamed for it on the internet and

23:54

he decided to to not do it. UM. Point

23:57

is, it's it's starting to reach peak

23:59

saturate, and I guess because a lot of like these

24:01

boomer types are getting into it

24:03

themselves and it's starting to feel a little bit

24:06

more like we're reaching the implosion

24:08

point for this. UM. But not

24:11

before reality

24:13

television star uh Stephanie

24:15

Matto um decided to

24:18

take the the n f T market

24:20

by storm. Um.

24:23

You may have read or heard that Stephanie Mattow

24:25

who is I think she was a She was contested

24:27

on the Bachelor. If I'm excuse

24:31

me, all of those shows are interchangeable to

24:33

me. In my mind, I have not seen any of them between

24:36

The Bachelor, The Bachelor at ninety Day fiance

24:38

Temptation Island, whatever, All of those are

24:40

just kind of mashed into this weird,

24:42

a morphous blob in my mind, and no shade

24:45

anyone that likes them. I have been forced to watch

24:47

them before, and I understand the appeal. They

24:49

are precision designed

24:51

to keep you invested and to keep

24:53

you waiting. They're just like manufactured

24:56

cliffhanger after manufactured cliffhanger.

24:58

I get it. Um it's it's fun,

25:00

purient trash, and I shade

25:03

on no one for enjoying these shows. I

25:05

only know about it because of an episode of My

25:07

Mama told me just because

25:11

uh pals my pals and you

25:13

guys pals too. I think Anna

25:16

and Miles from Daily Zeitgeist

25:18

have a ninety day Fiancee podcast

25:21

which is pretty funny. I believe.

25:23

Isn't it called like I Present You This Rose

25:26

or something like that, or I believe that's the one.

25:28

I think they're making it, so that's that's

25:31

the Rose one. See, I thought the Rose was

25:33

a Bachelor thing. Are some

25:35

of some of these are spinoffs? I think anyway,

25:38

my buddy, my buddy Matt Riddle,

25:40

friend of the show and the network, UM and

25:42

one of my oldest pals. His partner

25:45

UM is a producer,

25:47

I believe um

25:50

in In any case, Uh, Stephanie

25:52

Mattow, big rising

25:55

star. The problem with you know, being

25:57

a contestant on a show like that is once

25:59

the shows over, you gotta kind of parlay

26:02

that fifteen minutes of fame into something else

26:04

or like, you know, go back to working

26:06

a regular job. Um. And Stephanie

26:09

Mattow did that with Gusto. She started

26:11

off doing sort of an only fans type situation

26:13

where people subscribe and sort of like a you

26:15

know, Patreon kind of thing, and she was getting

26:17

a lot of requests from her patrons.

26:21

UM that she considers selling

26:23

her farts. Yeah

26:26

that did she?

26:29

Like, did she offer a

26:31

lot of toots on the show that she was on

26:33

or something? Is that? Like it's

26:35

a festing Matt matt

26:38

my lovely summer child. Some

26:43

people are into some weird

26:46

uh, like smelling other people's farts

26:49

or in Asia in particular, at least

26:51

that's where it got it start. You may have heard of the

26:53

trend of being able to buy women's

26:56

used underwear in vending

26:58

machines. As a previous iteration

27:01

of that that was like underage girls,

27:03

and I believe then that's illegal. Yeah,

27:05

well, Japan actually just raised

27:08

its age of consent, which was formally

27:10

fourteen. Uh yeah,

27:12

but used underwear fetishization

27:15

is not. I think it would be dinging um

27:18

dinging our Pacific neighbors to say

27:20

it was just stuck to that

27:22

part of the world. The vending machine thing

27:25

was real, though from what I know, it's just no

27:27

longer around now. But you can go anywhere

27:29

on the internet if you are so inclined.

27:31

If that bags your badgers, you can

27:34

go online and find people who will gladly

27:36

sell you purportedly used

27:38

underwear, and if they're consenting adults. You know.

27:41

Loneliness is a crazy thing, do you, well?

27:43

You lonely or not lonely? Do you?

27:45

Indeed? And why the hell not make a little

27:47

money. It's a service people want. Why shouldn't

27:50

they get it? And why shouldn't you benefit for

27:53

providing him? So so Matto decided,

27:55

okay um, did a little homework,

27:57

potentially found some of the stories that we're talking about,

28:00

and maybe there's a there's a there's a market for this, because

28:02

as we know, it's a market for just about everything. Um.

28:05

So she started uh farting

28:07

in two little cute little mason jars

28:10

and uh and bottling them up. And

28:13

at first she was she just like, I

28:16

want to do just like cut like a couple dozen of these

28:18

like a test, see what happens.

28:21

And uh, she did that, and they sold

28:23

like hot cakes, hot

28:26

fart cakes. Um, presumably

28:28

they're not hot anymore once they reached the recipient, But

28:31

um, I think they come with instructions,

28:33

right, I would hope, So, I would hope,

28:35

so yeah, them gently gently

28:38

lest you adulterate the

28:41

pure assence that it's contained within. She

28:43

took it seriously right, like and

28:46

why wouldn't she have taken it seriously right because

28:48

I mean she she the test was

28:51

a resounding success. You know, she did

28:53

a handful of these. They sold

28:55

really really well. Um, she raised

28:57

the price. I think initially they were like fifty dollars

28:59

each something like that, and then it was like a hundred dollars each.

29:01

She ended up topping out at a thousand

29:04

dollars each for

29:06

these jarred farts,

29:09

and apparently reportedly made

29:12

around two hundred thousand dollars

29:15

selling these until

29:19

sadly, her health began

29:21

to to to take a turn

29:24

as a result of all this farting. Wait,

29:28

because Ben mentioned a second ago diet

29:30

that she was taking really seriously, she needed

29:33

to produce only the finest uh

29:36

farts um and and do so.

29:38

You know, it's somewhat in an assembly line fashion.

29:40

I mean, I don't think you or I could just summon a fart

29:43

out of nowhere right now. And one

29:45

person it was gross you

29:49

a friend? Was it like? Was

29:52

it like the fartestree technique where you sort of suck

29:54

air in your butt and then yeah,

29:56

that's a chance, like the pets a law

29:59

to I would argue, I

30:02

would argue, not a true fart. That is a false

30:04

fart. And this person, I don't

30:06

know about Matt's person, but this person

30:08

wasn't boofing air and then expelling

30:10

it. They they at least part of the

30:12

bitum. Because I

30:15

declined to watch

30:17

the entire process unclothed,

30:20

even though she and I were friends, I was, there's

30:22

a line, and you know,

30:25

our friendship is more important to me than

30:28

proving this fart thing. But it's a rare thing,

30:31

right, we might have a few people in the audience today

30:33

who can do that. But your point stands, I

30:35

would argue, because most people

30:38

who need to produce a fart,

30:40

if they find themselves in that situation, UH,

30:42

do have to alter their diet because farts are a

30:44

product of your gut biome. Right, That's exactly

30:47

right. And um, and Stephanie Maddow knew

30:50

this, uh. And I don't know if

30:52

she had like a fart consultant or something like that, but

30:54

she found a diet of

30:56

like, you know that the stuff you would imagine, I guess you

30:58

only need to consult and we all know it makes you fart,

31:00

things like beans and and lots of fibers,

31:04

foods, you know, things like that. And she

31:06

was consuming so much of this that one day

31:09

she woke up, you know, I guess,

31:11

presumably to do her daily fart

31:13

jarring, and she felt

31:16

an unpleasant sensation in her abdomen,

31:19

Darry say, stinging, kind of like sharp

31:21

shooting pain. Um. And

31:23

you know, being someone who's a

31:25

bit of a health nut and very aware of her

31:28

her body, Um, she went to the

31:30

er and the doctor. She didn't immediately

31:32

cop to the jarring of the farts, but

31:34

she did speak to the diet and the

31:37

doctor said, hey, this is bad, this

31:39

is not good for you. I don't know if it's something that was particular

31:41

to her, but it was, I mean, that

31:43

was causing her problems. So she had to

31:46

change her business model. And

31:49

that's what she changed. Do you do you think

31:52

that's real or that's a story

31:54

to to make the next move

31:56

make more sense. I don't know, man,

31:59

She's only well, let's

32:01

let's let's go back to that in a second. Map Okay, okay,

32:03

a second. Um.

32:05

You know where I'm going with this. Based on the preamble

32:08

of this story. Um, she decided to

32:10

make the leap into n f t S non

32:13

fungible tokens. Um.

32:16

And again, they can be many things, but

32:18

they often are kind of goofy

32:20

little cartoons that

32:23

are you know, unique that if you do a

32:25

line of them, each one can only

32:27

be owned once. Um. And

32:30

that's exactly what she did. And they these little

32:32

cartoons are little jars with

32:34

stoppers in them of varying types.

32:37

Um. Looking at some right, you can actually go for yourself and

32:39

check it out for yourself if you want to get the website

32:42

is I'm just saying if anybody that wants to. It's just

32:44

totally s f it's it's sf w um

32:47

it is fart jars n ft

32:49

dot com. No, it's

32:53

fart jar sniffed dot

32:55

com. Yeah,

32:58

that's I'm sure that was not lost

33:00

on I mean, that's pretty pretty brilliant

33:02

domain. I'm surprised nobody had gotten

33:04

that one already, and if they did, they probably collected

33:06

a pretty penny for it. But yeah, fart all

33:09

right, Oh by fart jar sniffed

33:11

dot com exists and you can

33:13

go there right now. Their tagline is imagine

33:16

the smell, because that's the best you're gonna

33:18

do, because it's it's like,

33:20

imagine main I brought it back so

33:25

um. By going to this website,

33:27

you can take a look browse their wares.

33:30

There's one with like a little top hat. There's

33:32

one where the stopper is a butt itself

33:34

with a little poot air stream

33:36

coming out, and some of those kind of goofy

33:39

emoji glasses. Uhs. One this guy

33:41

looks crazy. He's got like a twitching eye and

33:43

there's a plunger on his head. Uh. This

33:45

dude here looks like he's kind of spooky. He's kind

33:47

of doing these ghost fingers, and there's like kind

33:49

of weird like mad scientist chemical

33:51

fumes coming out of the top that one doesn't look like as

33:53

a stopper at all, one with a doughnut.

33:56

Um. The list goes on, and you know

33:59

it benefits the creator or the person

34:01

can being paid for these to make as many as possible.

34:04

Uh. They go for about

34:06

a hundred fifty bucks in the form

34:09

of point point oh five

34:11

ethereum um, because that is what

34:13

you paid for n f T s with I think

34:15

if they're exclusively on the ethereum um

34:18

chain. So, Matt, to answer

34:20

your previous querry about the narrative,

34:23

whether it was true or not, I can't say for

34:25

sure, but I would say that she was getting

34:27

a thousand bucks a fart before

34:30

and now she's only getting a hundred and fifty bucks for these

34:32

fake ones. Granted, you could scale these and you could

34:34

do more of these, and but you might be

34:36

onto something, Matt, because she is still she

34:38

hasn't completely stopped for

34:40

farting in jars. If you buy

34:43

enough of these, there's actually, uh, there's like some

34:45

some benefits, um.

34:48

She You can actually get a real jarred

34:50

fart if you collect a certain number

34:52

of these. It's almost like getting like punch cards

34:55

and you're like, you know whatever, choose

34:57

your chain, restaurant location or

35:00

like weed shops exactly.

35:02

And a big thing in cryptocurrency

35:05

and in different you know, cryptocurrencies

35:08

and different n f t s is what is

35:10

the use case? That is a question

35:12

that's always asked, like is a is a

35:14

particular cryptocurrency viable? The question

35:17

that's asked is what is the use case? Is

35:19

it good for? Like smart contracts?

35:21

Is it good for certain types of transactions.

35:23

There's like different ones that are built on different technology

35:26

or coding or whatever that are good for different

35:28

things, And sometimes whether one does better

35:30

or another can depend or if it has more like long

35:33

term viability depends on the use case. So

35:35

this is a great example of someone kind of

35:37

understanding that uh and and just

35:39

basically bullshitting their way through

35:42

it. Pun absolutely intended, so utility

35:45

on the website. According to fart jar

35:47

sniff dot com, uh fart jar

35:50

n f t s have four use cases that make

35:52

owning them a blast. Okay.

35:55

One access to steph for

35:57

pleasure or business. Each toe

36:00

can hold her will be given access to a private

36:02

discord channel with steph Some of

36:04

you may want to be able to communicate with her

36:06

in an intimate setting, whilst others

36:08

may have questions about becoming a

36:10

fart entrepreneur yourself. Uh.

36:13

And then there are other you know, level zoom meetings.

36:15

The collector with the most fart JR n f T s

36:17

week one after launch, we'll have the opportunity to spend

36:20

thirty minutes on a zoom with Stephanie. Um.

36:22

And then it goes on to second and third most fart

36:24

jars in the time on the zoom diminishes.

36:27

Then this one I kind of like um mentor

36:29

program. Become a girl boss with

36:31

access to a private group with staff where you can

36:33

be mentored on how to build a brand, become

36:36

a content creator, and become a fart entrepreneur.

36:39

Uh. And then for on top of the fart

36:41

tastic use cases above, the

36:44

artwork can be used as a profile picture so

36:46

that you can proudly display your conclusion

36:48

in the most explosive good Lord, the

36:50

fart puns never stopped community in

36:53

the n f T space. Um.

36:56

Again, this is no shame,

36:58

this is clever. If she makes money on this, more

37:00

power to are absolutely, I just

37:02

think it just shows how stupid

37:05

and out of control this n f T space

37:07

has gotten. Um And there's a really

37:09

great article on bitcoin

37:12

dot com that has

37:14

some quotes for Stephanie that I think

37:17

are maybe overstating

37:19

the importance of this, the cultural

37:22

value. I get where she's going,

37:24

where she's coming from, but it almost like makes

37:26

it sound like satire, and I think it diminishes

37:28

what she's actually trying to say,

37:31

which is this fart jars are

37:34

all about taking ownership of your body,

37:36

your inner worth, with an added with

37:38

of creative genius. Making a statement

37:41

and an impact is not about pushing a

37:43

fart. It's about pushing

37:45

yourself to do anything you

37:47

set your mind to. Umm,

37:51

well, I've got a lot of Mason jars

37:53

around the house, so yeah,

37:58

this is yeah. I

38:00

don't know what to say. No, thank you for bringing

38:02

this to our attention. You're

38:04

so welcome, guys. I'm sorry.

38:06

I just you know, I just think this is just such

38:09

an interesting extreme you

38:11

know, And I mean it'll probably get more extreme than

38:13

this, because you can you can

38:15

mint anything as an n f T as long

38:18

as it exists in digital form

38:20

um. Maybe maybe we're

38:22

looking at a future Internet where where smells

38:25

can be transmitted digitally. There's

38:29

I don't know if you saw the news. Yes,

38:35

I don't know, story for another

38:38

day, I think, Okay,

38:40

fair enough, that's exactly

38:42

what I thought. Wow, well, not

38:45

much else to say. I guess, um,

38:48

I don't know, but I've interested in particular,

38:51

like your your thoughts in the dystopian

38:53

nous of this or if you see it that way,

38:55

like do you do you

38:58

feel me on the whole? Like you

39:00

know, the absurdity of the art market

39:02

and how you know, like I mean, banana

39:05

taped to a wall sold for like a gazillion dollars

39:07

or whatever it like art art bassil and

39:10

like is this just kind of like a digital extension

39:13

of that? And and do you see

39:15

it in the same satirical light that I'm seeing

39:17

in or do you am I missing something? Or do you see

39:19

it differently? No? I agree emberor

39:22

has no clothes and people, Uh,

39:24

if people are consenting adults. I

39:26

believe people should be able to do what they want so

39:29

they're not harming other people. Yeah, now

39:31

that's true. I just want to add to a

39:33

lot of this stuff. Is is you know, devoted to

39:35

people or geared towards people

39:38

that have made a lot of money in the crypto space,

39:40

but it's not it's not the easiest thing

39:42

in the world to convert your cryptocurrency back

39:44

into like, you know, fiat currency. I mean it

39:46

is, it's not not easy, but it takes

39:49

some doing, right. So, a

39:51

lot of people that have like ten bitcoin

39:53

or whatever, which is like, you know, a

39:55

couple hundreds several hundred thousand dollars funds,

39:57

Like I think a bitcoin, it's like it's it's differ

40:00

a little b right now. I think it's around

40:02

dollars something like that. Um,

40:05

they're looking at everything not in fiat

40:08

like we you're not looking at your you know,

40:10

your crypto wallet necessarily

40:12

and how much cash it's worth all the time. You're looking

40:15

at it in a different scale. So

40:17

spending point oh five ethereum

40:19

on a cartoon of a fart jar might

40:22

be just the the um

40:25

um novelty that someone would

40:27

just totally click instantly without

40:29

giving a much thought. But then if you think about

40:32

it in the real world of like would you drop a hundred

40:34

and fifty dollars out of your

40:36

bank account into a

40:38

piece of digital art unless

40:40

it was just super super cool and like you could

40:42

like display it in some interesting way, probably

40:45

not so much so I think this is like preying on people

40:48

that are listless and board on the internet

40:50

and have like all this kind of cryptocurrency to

40:52

play with. But then again, this is also kind

40:55

of playing toward these people that have very

40:57

specific fetishes, and very specific fetish

41:00

is toward a particular talent

41:03

in particular individual. So

41:06

more power to them. But also it's been

41:08

weird. So with that, it's another

41:11

quick break and I'll be back with more strange news. We

41:19

have returned for another piece

41:22

of strange news. Wanted to end

41:24

on this one because it is uh,

41:27

potentially life changing for a lot of people.

41:29

It's gross, it's philosophically

41:33

fraught, i would say, and it's

41:35

going to take us to many, many

41:37

strange places. What I'd like to do is

41:39

set up I'd like to set up some facts

41:41

here and then I'd like for

41:44

us to you know, kind of round table this

41:46

and the fellow conspiracy realist please

41:48

write in about this, because we're gonna ask

41:50

some questions that have haunted

41:53

people for a long time.

41:55

But before we get to those questions, let's

41:57

start with some statistics.

42:01

If you have ever known someone

42:03

or been related to someone who has had

42:05

to have an organ transplant,

42:08

you know that it is a very dangerous

42:10

process. Even when everything goes well,

42:12

you have to find a donor. The

42:15

organ, whatever it may be, has to be transported

42:18

viably. There are a lot

42:21

of rules and laws

42:24

about the organ market. CR

42:26

earlier episode and video series on the

42:28

Red Market for our

42:31

YouTube channel. Last year,

42:33

in the US,

42:36

three hundred and fifty four US

42:38

residents legally received a

42:40

transplanted organ. More than half

42:43

of those are kidneys, and that comes

42:45

from the United Network for Organ Sharing.

42:48

There is a huge shortage

42:51

of organs and a lot of

42:53

people. You know, the process usually goes unless

42:55

you're rich or rich and

42:57

crooked. You have to get on a waitingly

43:00

for organs. And if you're on that waiting

43:02

list, whatever the organ

43:04

is about, you're also on a ticking

43:07

clock. About a dozen people

43:10

on those lists for any organ

43:12

die every single day, just

43:14

waiting. And the demand

43:17

has historically outpaced

43:20

the supply because

43:23

for now, the world's not quite dystopian

43:26

enough for people to be openly

43:28

killed for their organs. Does

43:31

it happen in some parts of the world, Yeah,

43:34

Kaida and do uh.

43:36

Some people who are very disadvantaged

43:38

and very poor parts of the world. Did they get pressured

43:40

into selling their organs for peanuts?

43:43

Yes, absolutely, those conspiracies

43:46

are genuine, But there

43:49

may be hope. What

43:51

if you went to a

43:54

doctor and you needed

43:56

a heart transplant and

43:58

the doctor said, Okay,

44:01

you're not gonna you know, you don't

44:03

meet the requirements for

44:05

a human heart, but maybe

44:07

we can do something else,

44:10

maybe switch it up a little bit. Maybe

44:12

we can give you a heart from

44:15

an animal. And your doctor

44:17

in this case will one. Dr Griffith tells

44:19

you. Let me be straight with you. It's

44:22

never been done this way before, but I think

44:24

we can do it. What would you say?

44:27

Just first off, what would you say without

44:29

knowing the animal? Would you guys do? But if you didn't

44:31

know the animal, what would you say for me? It depends

44:34

on how dire the situation

44:36

is, you know, if

44:38

it's your for me, if it was my last

44:42

ditch effort at possibly

44:44

surviving, yes, I

44:46

make that decision. Um

44:49

if not, I don't know. It feels

44:51

like you you'd wait if there was like any light,

44:53

you know, like you, I might get

44:55

a oregan transplant maybe

44:58

and I might live to get there.

45:00

Probably wouldn't do it? Are we talking about

45:02

philosophically, are we talking

45:05

about like this is super super

45:07

experimental or does this definitely work?

45:10

You might die, You will definitely

45:12

if you don't get a new

45:15

ticker, but you might die on the operating

45:17

table much more likely than if

45:20

you got a proper transplant. Uh.

45:23

That's the thing. It's sort of on the

45:25

map of medical procedures were we're

45:27

in the edge of the paper where

45:29

it says here be serpents. People

45:32

weren't quite sure. I'm just wondering if

45:34

like some people might have an issue with getting

45:37

like a non human or get

45:39

in their body, if they hilosophically have some

45:43

I wouldn't care if I was pretty sure

45:45

it was gonna work or it had a better chance

45:47

of working than I had of living. And

45:49

the other eight transplanters weren't coming absolutely.

45:52

But this is literally a first right,

45:56

Uh, not quite. We're gonna get into it. So

45:58

the first of its kind. This is like

46:01

the first um kind

46:03

of like how the Model T is not the first

46:05

car, but it's the car most people

46:08

associate with the dawn of the automobile.

46:10

This is an in that similar situation.

46:13

This Dr Griffith. Dr Bartley

46:15

Griffith literally said

46:18

that to one David Bennett,

46:20

Sr. Of Maryland, and

46:23

the animal in question donating

46:25

a heart was a pig, So

46:28

luckily, uh, Mr Bennett

46:30

did not have philosophical or

46:33

religious objections, you know, like, um,

46:35

if you are in if you

46:37

are from a belief system that

46:39

precludes or prohibits

46:42

the consumption of pork or

46:44

the consumption of animal products in general,

46:47

does that violate those, uh,

46:50

those spiritual constraints for you to

46:52

have the heart of a pig beating

46:54

in your chest. This guy had

46:56

a life threatening heart disease and

46:59

in an eight our operation just

47:01

a few days ago, he received

47:04

a heart from a pig, and

47:06

he is alive. The world's eyes are

47:09

upon him to see how this works.

47:12

People with medical experience in the crowd,

47:14

or people who have lived

47:17

in the world of origin transplants in the crowd, you're

47:19

already rightly throwing up your hand and saying,

47:22

well, what about the body's rejection

47:24

rate? What about the immune response? Because

47:27

the body doesn't like foreign

47:30

objects, impersonating body

47:32

stuff, just just the same way that cops

47:34

don't like people who aren't cops, dressing up

47:36

a cops and arresting people. Right, it makes

47:38

sense and even though that's a not

47:41

a perfect analogy. This was

47:44

not your garden variety pig. This

47:47

was, as they say,

47:49

uh, Charlotte's web some

47:51

pig. This was a pig

47:54

genetically altered by a company

47:56

in Virginia called Revivicore. The

47:59

pig had genetic modifications

48:02

and importantly, four of its genes

48:04

were knocked out or inactivated,

48:07

and one of these was

48:09

a gene that encodes a

48:12

molecule that causes that

48:14

aggressive rejection response

48:16

from humans receiving these

48:19

organs. It makes it, you could

48:21

argue, philosophically, a bit more human.

48:24

Please do check out a fantastic

48:26

piece of journalism by Ronnie Karen Rabin

48:29

in a first man receives a heart

48:31

from a genetically altered pig.

48:34

He is alive. This was in the New York

48:36

Times, so it's not you know, weekly

48:38

World News or something. And if

48:41

he if he survives,

48:43

and if he survives over a long period

48:45

of time, this is gonna be a medical breakthrough

48:48

for potentially hundreds of thousands,

48:50

if not millions of people. But it's

48:52

also going to put humanity

48:55

in deep philosophical

48:58

water. We will be transforming

49:00

people into chimera. Chimera

49:03

referring to the ancient myth

49:05

of a of an

49:07

organism that is an amalgamation

49:10

of different animals and chimera.

49:14

Human chimera technically kind of exists

49:16

already. There's also worked to your question,

49:18

Matt, there are previous cases

49:21

where people have received replacement

49:23

heart valves from pigs,

49:26

but never the never the whole

49:28

thing, you know what I mean, Never the whole thing. This

49:30

also comes on the tail of

49:33

different some real mad

49:35

science. I usually dunk on people

49:37

for that fatuous idea of

49:40

the greater good. Greater good

49:42

is a convenient rationalization for a lot of

49:44

horrible things. But there

49:47

had been earlier tests where

49:49

they took people who were brain dead

49:52

and put the medically alive

49:55

but on ventilators, and they put these hearts

49:57

inside them to make sure they

49:59

work for going onto someone who

50:02

you know would have brain activity.

50:04

So there has been a lot of work leading

50:07

up to this, but there and there's a

50:09

lot of work to go. But this is

50:11

a game changer. Who new pigs

50:14

would be so useful?

50:16

Also, it must be dangerous to be a pig. Now people

50:18

are using you to figure out how to breathe through their

50:20

butts. They're gonna grow our

50:23

poor sign friends, as

50:25

as organ farms potentially,

50:28

And now the question becomes like, to

50:30

me, some of the philosophical quandaries,

50:32

are is it right to do this? Many

50:35

many people would say yes, absolutely,

50:38

Uh, the life of a pig is

50:41

not worth the life of a human. And already

50:43

pigs are killed unmasked every

50:46

day to provide pork chops

50:48

and bacon and so on. But

50:51

there's also a ship of thesis question, right,

50:53

the old the old thought experiment

50:56

of the ship of thesis ask

50:58

if you take a ship over time, you

51:00

replace it piece by piece by piece until

51:02

you have ultimately replaced everything,

51:05

every material on that ship, is

51:07

it still the same ship? So

51:10

I'm wondering if there's a world where people's

51:12

organs get replaced so often

51:15

that they are percentage

51:18

wise less human, you

51:20

know what I mean? Where where do their rights go in? Yeah,

51:23

that's a weird one, man. I

51:25

can't imagine that you could. I

51:28

imagine you could overwhelm the human

51:30

body and you know it's

51:32

been what what is what did you say? Been three days

51:34

or something that the guy has lived or four

51:37

days or something that he's lived thus far

51:39

with a pig heart inside of him.

51:42

You know, one of the things that we know from these kinds

51:45

of transplants

51:47

is that it isn't necessarily

51:50

something that's noticed immediately that

51:52

you know, the body rejects something else

51:54

that's inside of it. It could take a month,

51:57

It could take however, you know, twenty

52:00

five days or something um

52:02

for for him and the

52:04

you know, the medical professionals figure out that his

52:06

body's rejecting it. Uh.

52:08

I think we're gonna really like this is this is

52:11

really good? Right, that this is happening. I

52:13

don't until we wait this

52:15

one procedure out, I don't think

52:17

we can know and if other organs

52:20

are going to get replaced, then I want to ask you

52:22

about the the way that

52:24

this doctor Griffith figured out

52:27

that he could transplant a pig

52:29

heart, even genetically modified

52:31

into a human, Like what how

52:34

did he figure that out? There are a lot of

52:36

very smart people who have been working

52:38

in this field, and uh,

52:41

Dr Griffith had some other folks

52:43

working with him like Dr Mohammed

52:46

Mohoieden pardon my if

52:49

I'm mispronouncing there, who is a professor

52:51

surgery at the University of Maryland School of

52:53

Medicine. And they established

52:56

what they called the Cardiac Zeno transplantation

52:59

program UM in which

53:02

they successfully implanted

53:04

pig hearts into baboons about

53:07

fifty baboons over

53:09

a series of five years. So

53:12

that's pretty impressive. That's ten baboons

53:14

a year getting a pig heart UM,

53:17

and that's really where they kind of cut their teeth.

53:20

Is there a like a inherent similarity

53:23

between the pig heart and

53:25

the baboon heart. There are like

53:27

it's it's close enough that

53:30

you could try to jury rick this system,

53:33

but the obviously like a

53:36

this is not ideal for the baboon

53:38

goes without saying it's not super great for the

53:40

pig because they're not trading hearts UM.

53:43

Then earlier someone had tried to in

53:46

the field of zeno transplantation, someone had

53:48

attempted to put a baboon

53:50

heart inside of a human

53:52

and it it didn't work out because of

53:55

that tendency of the human

53:57

body to reject these

54:00

words of graphs. You know, a lot

54:02

of this depends on a new

54:04

experimental drug made by an outfit

54:06

called Kinikusa Pharmaceuticals.

54:09

This suppressed the immune system, it prevented

54:12

rejection. They also used a new

54:14

uh new mechanical device

54:17

to keep the pig's heart preserved until

54:20

surgery. And now, you know, pig

54:22

hearted sounds like an insult, but it

54:25

may in the future just be a

54:27

condition that people

54:29

have. And I'm wondering, I'm

54:32

wondering how close we get to

54:35

creating increasingly

54:37

human like pigs, right, because

54:39

the what one of the best ways, outside

54:42

of drugs, one of the best ways to lower

54:44

the rate of rejection is to continue

54:46

genetically altering the pigs, you

54:49

know what I mean? Like, how close

54:52

to the line do we want to get? How

54:54

close should we get? Here's

54:56

a kind of a sci fi question,

54:58

I guess to maybe introduced this, we talked a

55:00

lot about genetically modifying pigs, and in the

55:02

past we've also talked a lot about genetically modifying

55:05

humans. Um, and the

55:07

societal kind of breakdown that

55:09

that would encompass, like in terms

55:11

of, like only the wealthy can afford to genetically

55:14

modify themselves or

55:16

their offspring in such a way as to

55:18

prevent you know, illness and

55:20

things like that. Um, I wonder

55:23

if there's a way to genetically modify

55:25

humans that would make them

55:28

more susceptible to accepting

55:30

say like lab grown you

55:33

know, organ replacements

55:36

and things like that. Yeah, it's a good question, and

55:38

it's not as sci fi as it

55:40

might sound at first Blush. That

55:43

world is on the horizon,

55:45

and I would love to spend a future

55:48

episode on the precipice,

55:51

the bleeding edge or the bleeding

55:53

scalpel edge of oregan transplantation,

55:56

because it is saving lives, but it's also

55:58

forcing humanity to confront questions

56:01

that it just has treated

56:03

as academic up to this point. We

56:06

are going to wrap the show up, but I

56:08

am gonna end on something really

56:10

cool. I'd like to give a shout out to a

56:13

show that I dearly love called Radio

56:15

Lab. It's up there with Hidden Brain in my opinion,

56:18

and they point out or

56:20

they have an excellent episode on a

56:23

tiny sugar molecule called Alpha

56:25

gal which is, despite

56:28

the name, not a cool superhero

56:31

from The Boys comic books. Instead,

56:34

it is this sugar molecule

56:37

that the genetically altered pigs

56:39

don't create, and this is one of

56:42

the factors that allows these pigs

56:44

organs to be accepted by human bodies. But

56:47

coincidentally, how weird is

56:49

this alpha This Alpha

56:51

stuff is the same thing you become

56:53

allergic to after you get

56:56

some certain tick bites. So

56:59

one of big question. I want to end this

57:01

way. I don't know if you should answer this, but end

57:04

this way. Is it okay to eat

57:06

the pigs after the organ transplant?

57:09

If you got the pigs heart, would you eat the

57:11

big I think it's what what

57:13

they would have wanted. We'll have to modify

57:16

them to be well. I don't I don't

57:18

know. I don't know what to modify

57:20

them to communicate more efficiently. It's really

57:23

just a matter of fixing the vocal cords. I think

57:25

UM in some brain centers, because they do have

57:27

the intelligence of um,

57:30

you know what a three year old? I think maybe

57:32

higher. Well, let us know, let us know, uh

57:35

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57:37

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