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2:38

Welcome to Stuff You

2:40

Should Know, a production

2:43

of I Heart

2:45

Radio. Hey,

2:51

and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh

2:53

Clark. There's Charles W. Chuck Bryant. There's

2:56

Jerry. This is stuff you should know

2:58

about the flu, which I have. You

3:00

know, the flu, do you? I don't

3:02

know, man. I can't, I can't, I've

3:05

been on the planet for 41 years.

3:07

Okay. I still can't really tell the

3:09

difference between a flu and a cold.

3:12

I think the difference that I can

3:14

tell, and I don't get the flu

3:16

much, you know, which... As it turns

3:19

out, it's not a flu, I just

3:21

learned. But I don't get the flu

3:23

flu much. But I can always tell

3:25

though when I'm super achy. Like the

3:27

flu just makes me feel like dog

3:30

dudu. Right. Whereas a cold is

3:32

just a big inconvenience. Yeah, I've

3:34

had, no, I've definitely had lots

3:36

of aches and I woke up

3:38

like shivering one night. Oh, so

3:40

you had a fever for sure.

3:42

I guess so. I guess it must have

3:44

just been one night in the middle

3:46

of the night. So that's the flu,

3:49

right? Probably. So I guess I do

3:51

have the flu. No joke, everybody. Well,

3:53

I'm erecting the clear glass in between

3:55

us. Yeah, I think that I've had

3:57

it long enough now based on the

3:59

research from this. article that I'm not

4:01

contagious or else I would have

4:04

called this off. So did you

4:06

get it in New York I wonder?

4:08

I think so. Yeah, and I'm

4:10

living here. Right, yeah. Which I

4:13

was like I was just walking

4:15

around like with my hands inside

4:17

of a couple like plastic Duane

4:20

read bags that still didn't work.

4:22

Well that was your problem probably

4:24

right there. Duane read. Because I

4:27

didn't take him off when I

4:29

ate. Bellhouse shows, right? Those went

4:32

pretty well. Yeah. Thought they were great.

4:34

All right, so the flu. We

4:36

won't reminisce about past victories. We'll

4:38

just talk about the flu instead.

4:40

Yeah, how about a stat right

4:43

off the get-go here? Okay. The

4:45

flu, the CDC. Also, sorry everybody

4:47

for the sniffling that's going

4:49

to inevitably happen. I'm trying

4:51

hard not to do it.

4:53

You're a method broadcaster. Right.

4:55

Which is also what I

4:57

said in my very first

4:59

episode. Remember that? Yep. It's

5:02

not any funnier now.

5:04

So the CDC right

5:06

here in Atlanta centers

5:08

for disease control and

5:11

prevention, not the

5:13

CDCP. No, they just stuck

5:15

with the original. Yeah. They

5:17

reckon that about 5 to 20,

5:20

between 5% and 20% of

5:22

United States peoples get

5:24

the flu each year, compared

5:27

to about 10% to 25%

5:29

in. Dirty cold Canada. Right,

5:31

I know. And normally when you

5:33

get the flu, it's just, you're

5:35

laid up for a couple of

5:37

days, right? Yeah. Like you said,

5:40

you feel like dog-dew or something

5:42

like that. Yeah. That's the seasonal

5:44

flu. But even with a seasonal

5:46

flu, which usually here in the

5:48

United States or in North America,

5:51

runs from what, like October to

5:53

March? Yeah, roughly. And then I

5:55

didn't really think about this before,

5:57

but in the southern hemisphere... it

6:00

runs the opposite and actually peaks

6:02

in August. Right. Yeah. Most of

6:04

the time it's just an inconvenience

6:06

for you, but it actually kills

6:08

people sometimes. Yeah, it can be

6:10

dangerous for sure. So in 2011

6:12

and 12, that was a pretty

6:14

low year for deaths from the

6:17

flu in the US. There were

6:19

12,000 people who died from the

6:21

flu or complications from the flu.

6:23

2012, 13 flu season, 56,000 people

6:25

died that year. And I think

6:27

the average is something around 36,000

6:29

people in the US die from

6:31

the flu every year. Yeah, and

6:33

apparently the World Health Organization says...

6:36

around the world, as many as

6:38

a quarter of a million people

6:40

to a half a million people

6:42

can die every year from the

6:44

flu. Right. There's a lot of

6:46

folks. It is. So I mean,

6:48

and the idea of dying from

6:50

the flu, that's awful, because I

6:52

mean, if you feel bad enough

6:55

as it is from a flu

6:57

that you recover from in a

6:59

few days, imagine dying from that

7:01

would just be a terrible way

7:03

to die. Yeah. And the whole

7:05

thing Chuck comes down to this

7:07

little tiny virus. The influenza virus

7:09

and there's different types and influenza

7:11

I found is actually a shout

7:13

out to the Italian name for

7:16

it originally. Did you know this?

7:18

Did not. So I'm going to

7:20

say it normally but then you

7:22

have to say it in your

7:24

famous Italian accent. Influenza difredo. Are

7:26

you talking about the influenza difredo?

7:28

Yeah, which means influenza the cold.

7:30

Oh, all right. A lot of,

7:32

for many, many, many, many years,

7:35

because the flu is most predominant

7:37

in the colder months, everybody just

7:39

assumed that it was the actual

7:41

cold that was getting you sick.

7:43

That turns out not to be

7:45

true. It's an actual, it's a

7:47

virus that does seem to favor

7:49

the cold, drier conditions of the

7:51

winter months. But this little tiny

7:54

virus gets into your body and

7:56

it starts this chain reaction that

7:58

is just fascinating. Yeah, so it

8:00

is a respiratory illness. So like

8:02

I said before, when you hear

8:04

people say the stomach flu, which

8:06

I've said a lot in my

8:08

life, because I get it once

8:10

a year with the poopy butt

8:12

and the vomitous mouth and the

8:15

ill belly. At the same time

8:17

though, I can't, I think I've

8:19

asked you this before, but I

8:21

don't know. Has it literally ever

8:23

happened at the same time? I

8:25

think once in my life. Man,

8:27

that's rough. I was on the

8:29

John with a bucket. Oh God.

8:31

It's so rough. Well, the worst

8:34

time I ever had it, I

8:36

may have told the story before,

8:38

I was sick at a friend's

8:40

house, which is the worst. When

8:42

I was not living in Atlanta,

8:44

but I was in Atlanta, I

8:46

just got to get to get

8:48

to get to my mom's house.

8:50

Yeah, I was like, just much

8:53

more comfortably being sick there. Yeah.

8:55

And he was working, it was

8:57

just one of those things. And

8:59

so I got in my brother's

9:01

car that I was borrowing while

9:03

I was in town. I don't

9:05

like where this story's going. And

9:07

I drove no lie, probably about

9:09

100 miles an hour, to Snellville,

9:11

from Atlanta. Yeah. Thinking, and I

9:14

pooped in my pants, in the

9:16

car. And I remember thinking, if

9:18

a cop pulls me over. he

9:20

would have to be a cold

9:22

heartless individual to give me a

9:24

ticket because I would just say

9:26

sir don't take me to prison

9:28

take me to a hospital because

9:30

I'm dying yeah so I drove

9:33

a hundred miles an hour it's

9:35

kind of fun so you made

9:37

it home you showed up with

9:39

poopy pants and your mom took

9:41

care of you yep showed up

9:43

to Diane's house and I lived

9:45

but anyway That was a long

9:47

way of setting up this which

9:49

is that is actually not a

9:52

flu the stomach flu is not

9:54

because the flu is 100% a

9:56

respiratory illness Right and is not

9:58

something that happens in your stomach

10:00

or in your on your butt

10:02

Right and let's let's talk first

10:04

before we talk about the actual

10:06

effect of the flu. Let's talk

10:08

about the virus a little bit

10:10

for a second, okay? So back

10:13

in 1931, there was this Iowa

10:15

farm physician. which is to say

10:17

he was a human physician of

10:19

humans but he probably lived on

10:21

a farm because it was Iowa

10:23

in 1931. His name was Richard

10:25

Shope and he was trying to

10:27

figure out what this bug that

10:29

was getting people was and he

10:32

investigated with pigs first because there

10:34

are plenty of other animals that

10:36

can come down with the flu.

10:38

Not just humans, right? Right. And

10:40

he finally isolated, isolated the flu

10:42

virus in swine and it led

10:44

to this discovery of the isolation

10:46

of the flu virus in humans

10:48

too. So right after that they

10:51

started classifying the flu by strains.

10:53

You got A, B, and C,

10:55

right? So A is the most

10:57

common and most severe. That's the

10:59

bad news. Yeah. B is a

11:01

little milder, a little less prevalent

11:03

and then we go all the

11:05

way down to C, which is...

11:07

I get the feeling C doesn't

11:09

happen a lot and it definitely

11:12

isn't the one that you're going

11:14

to have like a big epidemic

11:16

of the flu from a C.

11:18

Yeah, I couldn't find much on

11:20

C influenza either. Horse C. Yeah,

11:22

it'll make a comeback one day

11:24

and it'll shock the heck out

11:26

of all of us, right? So

11:28

type A infects all sorts of

11:31

different species, right? Humans, birds of

11:33

all kinds, pigs, bats, bats, bats,

11:35

bats, bats, bats, horses, bats, horses,

11:37

horses, horses, Yeah, I mean, remember

11:39

the avian flu, that was, that

11:41

scared the world. Oh yeah. And

11:43

that was A. Right. That was

11:45

A strain. B strain is almost

11:47

exclusively infective of humans. Apparently the

11:50

only other species we've ever found

11:52

a tight B influenza virus in

11:54

is seals. God knows where they

11:56

got it from. Or if we

11:58

got it from seals, who knows?

12:00

Maybe up north. I don't know.

12:02

And then that C1 it just

12:04

infects humans and pigs. So you

12:06

got the three types, and then

12:08

one other thing about them about

12:11

the classification of flu strains is

12:13

that there are also subtypes, right?

12:15

And so you mentioned like avian

12:17

flu and the one that scared

12:19

everybody was I think H5N1. Yeah,

12:21

that was it. I remember. So

12:23

the H and the N are

12:25

the, they refer to the... the

12:27

two kinds of the two main

12:30

proteins that you find on the

12:32

outside of a flu virus. Humagglutinin

12:34

and neurominiase. Okay. And so depending

12:36

on those types of H protein

12:38

or M protein, that's that's how

12:40

they subtype flu strains. Yeah. So

12:42

I mean, that's a good little

12:44

fact. I don't think anyone really

12:46

understands what those letters mean. That's

12:49

what they mean, you know, yeah,

12:51

but as far as your concern

12:53

just pay attention to the news

12:55

and when they talk about the

12:57

scary ones they'll mention those letters

12:59

and numbers and then you can

13:01

impress your friends. Yeah, you can

13:03

be like, oh, well, they're talking

13:05

about hemaglutin in neurominidase. And they'll

13:07

say, shut up, nerd. I hope

13:10

you get sick. So as far

13:12

as the standard flu that we're

13:14

talking about here, the virus, it

13:16

gets into your body and it

13:18

kind of makes a beeline to

13:20

your respiratory tract. And it binds

13:22

with your cells. It's virus as

13:24

it. Did we do one a

13:26

general on viruses? The one I

13:29

think we really went in depth

13:31

on was HIV where we talk

13:33

about how virus enters the body

13:35

and takes over. It's just vicious.

13:37

It is. But it's also, it's

13:39

kind of like admirable in a

13:41

really like deadly efficient way, you

13:43

know? It is. So they bind

13:45

to the surface of your of

13:48

the cells in that respiratory tract

13:50

and then they say, hey, I'd

13:52

like you to meet my little

13:54

friend RNA. Why don't I inject

13:56

my genetic information into your nucleus

13:58

and see how you like it

14:00

right and when it does that

14:02

the cell has been officially hijacked

14:04

and the virus uses the cell's

14:06

own RNA transcription process to create

14:09

the proteins that are needed to

14:11

make new versions of the virus.

14:13

So the virus is using this

14:15

host cell in your respiratory tract

14:17

to make copies of itself. And

14:19

suddenly, before the cell knows what's

14:21

going on, it's made millions of

14:23

copies of these viruses, right? And

14:25

apparently, when you talk about it

14:28

step by step, it seems like

14:30

this takes a little while. Right.

14:32

No. In seconds. Seconds after that

14:34

the virus has entered your respiratory

14:36

cell, millions of copies of it

14:38

have been made. Yeah, like this

14:40

is happening so fast. It moves

14:42

in there, it says I'm in

14:44

charge now, so... Out of the

14:47

way. Yeah, completely the other way,

14:49

I'm running the show here. We're

14:51

copying each other, and we're going

14:53

to move out to the cell

14:55

membrane because this cell's going to

14:57

die very quickly, and then that's

14:59

just going to poof me out

15:01

into the body further to infect

15:03

other cells, and it's... it's scary

15:05

how quickly this happens. Right, so

15:08

if you think about it, if

15:10

that first cell produces millions of

15:12

viruses, viral copies, and then they're

15:14

released from the cell out into

15:16

the rest of the other respiratory

15:18

cells, and each of those infects

15:20

another cell, and then those cells

15:22

all make millions, you see how

15:24

quickly these viruses reproduce in your

15:27

body. Yeah. And once that starts

15:29

to happen... you are infectious, you

15:31

are infectious. I think once that

15:33

first cell ropsures, you become infectious.

15:35

But this can be like a

15:37

day before symptoms, right? So this

15:39

is this is something people are

15:41

always saying like, oh, I'm not

15:43

infectious anymore. Like me, I said

15:46

it earlier too, right? I know.

15:48

But supposedly the day before you

15:50

even know you're sick, the day

15:52

before the first symptoms start, before

15:54

you start like sniffling a little

15:56

bit or whatever, you're infectious buddy.

15:58

up to seven days after that

16:00

day you first start showing symptoms

16:02

with the flu and if you're

16:04

a kid you can be infectious

16:07

even longer because if kids are

16:09

anything they're walking germ factories they

16:11

are just disgusting monsters it's hilarious

16:13

it's true man like my kid

16:15

didn't get sick at all for

16:17

the first 18 months of her

16:19

life and I thought I've got

16:21

a wonder baby yeah really I

16:23

don't know what's going on. We

16:26

put her in daycare a couple

16:28

of days a week and she

16:30

was sick nonstop for the next

16:32

six months. Man, that is rough.

16:34

It is rough. And then they

16:36

get the family sick. We'll talk

16:38

a little bit about that and

16:40

how that happens. But all this

16:42

is to say, during flu season,

16:45

especially if you work in like

16:47

an office where, you know, when

16:49

you hear like the flu is

16:51

going around or you're cub... mate

16:53

doesn't feel or look sick. Just

16:55

start washing your hands a lot.

16:57

Oh yeah, that's like they say

16:59

that's the best way to prevent

17:01

getting the flu or spreading the

17:03

flu is washing your hands a

17:06

lot. It's so simple that you

17:08

almost might discount it, but it's

17:10

actually true. Like that's the best

17:12

way to do it. You can

17:14

wash the flu virus off of

17:16

your hands with some soap that

17:18

will bind to it and the

17:20

water will wash it right off.

17:22

Stay home. Yeah, everybody but me

17:25

Stay home. Well, we're up against

17:27

it. We had to record it

17:29

today and Also wash your hands

17:31

just constantly like if I'm about

17:33

to touch anything. I'll wash my

17:35

hands first right if I'm going

17:37

to go somewhere outside of the

17:39

hot zone Which is whatever room

17:41

I'm sequestered in you know, I

17:43

will wash my hands You know,

17:46

I appreciate that. I mean trust

17:48

me. We're in this tiny studio

17:50

now the three of us. I

17:52

know I'm trying not to breathe

17:54

You've done all this on one

17:56

breath, it's impressive. I know. Well,

17:58

quickly, before we take a break,

18:00

so you can breathe again. where

18:02

we're gonna talk about symptoms afterward.

18:05

Before you get these symptoms, though,

18:07

what's happening is your respiratory system

18:09

is gonna become inflamed. And this

18:11

inflammation might stick around for a

18:13

few weeks, but from there, it

18:15

moves into your bloodstream, and then

18:17

that's when you're gonna get these

18:19

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18:21

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22:54

a little bit. Let's talk symptoms.

22:56

Okay. You know what I need?

22:58

I need one of those, like,

23:00

reads that Bugs Bunny used to,

23:03

like, hide in the water when

23:05

Allmer Fudd was hunting him. Uh-huh.

23:07

I could just, like, get a

23:09

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23:11

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23:13

just, like, pipe it out to

23:15

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23:18

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23:20

sick, except you and you and

23:22

you and you and you hear.

23:24

So the symptoms sound a lot

23:26

like a cold because the symptoms

23:28

are kind of the same. A

23:31

cold is usually not as fraught

23:33

with potential complications and maybe a

23:35

little less severe, but they're pretty

23:37

close, which is why you couldn't

23:39

tell earlier if you had a

23:41

colder flu. Right. But that fever,

23:43

that's the big one apparently. It's

23:46

a big distinction between the two.

23:48

Yeah. I think that's kind of

23:50

the way I just... distinguish it

23:52

right? Yeah and the cold colds

23:54

are also caused by viruses are

23:56

caused by coronaviruses which can there

23:59

are types of coronaviruses that are

24:01

really bad that cause like mers

24:03

and SARS yeah but for the

24:05

most part when you catch a

24:07

cold from a coronavirus, it's a

24:09

low-level virus or it's a rhino

24:12

virus. That's the other one that

24:14

causes the common cold, right? So

24:16

it's just a different kind of

24:18

virus producing similar symptoms to a

24:20

flu. Do you remember when Peter

24:22

Sarskard was on Saturday Night Live

24:24

years ago? He was, you know,

24:27

the actor? Sure. He was on

24:29

there during the SARS, when that

24:31

was that SARS scare? in the

24:33

United States, one of their skits

24:35

was he had developed the SARS-Gard,

24:37

SARS-S-Gard, which was just basically a

24:40

surgical mask, but it was just

24:42

funny. They said SARS-Gard, SARS-Gard like

24:44

30 times, and I laughed every

24:46

time. I think his younger brother

24:48

was penny wise, the clown in

24:50

the IT movie, right? Oh, I

24:52

don't know. I'm pretty sure that

24:55

it was a SARS-Gard, and he

24:57

is amazing. No. Oh, you got

24:59

to see it. You're going to

25:01

love it. Now, was he a

25:03

SARS guard or a Scars guard?

25:05

Oh, God. I didn't know there

25:08

were two different things. Well, there

25:10

are the Scars guards, which is,

25:12

like, Stellen, Scars guard is the

25:14

dad. Okay. And then the son

25:16

was the dude on True Blood,

25:18

the vampire show, and then recently

25:20

on that pretty little liars, I

25:23

think. I don't know. One with

25:25

Nicole Kidman. Okay. That's Alexander Scarsars.

25:27

I think that might be him.

25:29

Is SARS-Gard the one who's in

25:31

Fargo? Sarsa, no. Who is that?

25:33

Peter Sars-Gard. Yeah, that's another dude.

25:36

What is up with all these

25:38

guys? So are you sure you're

25:40

not just dropping the K off

25:42

of Peter Scars-Gard? All right, here's

25:44

the deal. The guy in Fargo

25:46

was Peter Stormier. Okay, so he's

25:48

not even in the equation then.

25:51

No, but I definitely know that

25:53

there is Peter Sarsgaard. Okay. Because

25:55

he either was or is married

25:57

to Maggie Gillen Hall. Oh yeah,

25:59

I guess I knew that. Peter

26:01

Scarsguard. Okay. And then there's still

26:04

in Alexander Scars Guard, and I

26:06

don't know who it the clown

26:08

was. It's Bill Scars Guard. And

26:10

is he related to the Scars

26:12

Guards? I guess so. Yeah, I

26:14

believe he's the youngest of him.

26:16

Okay. Oh, I'm sorry. I was

26:19

wrong. It was Tim Curry. I

26:21

was talking about. No, actually, we

26:23

never looked stuff up, but I

26:25

did look that up. Yeah. Because

26:27

the headline here says Alexander Scars

26:29

Guards' reaction to his brother bills.

26:32

clown costume. Yeah, he's, it's good.

26:34

His acting goes way beyond the

26:36

costume. They did go with the

26:38

costume, but it was good. Oh,

26:40

yeah, it was good. I know

26:42

there were so many people screaming

26:44

at their phones, but I think

26:47

we finally got it right. Yeah,

26:49

sorry about that everybody. I also

26:51

want to apologize for any medical

26:53

students who are being forced to

26:55

listen to this as part of

26:57

their class. Hopefully your instructor fast-forwarded

27:00

through that part. All right, this

27:02

all got started with SARS Guards,

27:04

SARS Guards. Oh yeah, that's right,

27:06

because that's from the coronavirus. This

27:08

is the influenza virus we're talking

27:10

about that creates this inflammation, which

27:13

is your immune response, right? In

27:15

your lungs? That's correct. And the

27:17

symptoms, like a cold or coughing,

27:19

sneezing, the fever, which is different,

27:21

like we said, with the flu,

27:23

achy body, which usually comes with

27:25

that fever, and then Josh's runny

27:28

nose and congestion that you can

27:30

hear in your overall lethargy. Under

27:32

the weather I guess is a

27:34

good way to put it. I

27:36

can tell. So those are just

27:38

standard flu symptoms. You can have

27:41

secondary symptoms from complications of the

27:43

flu, right? One thing that has

27:45

long gone hand in hand with

27:47

the flu as far as like

27:49

death from flu complications goes is

27:51

bacterial pneumonia. Yeah, that's no good.

27:53

And for a very long time,

27:56

science wasn't quite sure why you

27:58

were just so susceptible to... bacterial

28:00

infections when your battling the flu

28:02

and they figured it out. It's

28:04

actually your body's immune response that

28:06

is responsible for it, right? So

28:09

when you have the flu and

28:11

your body starts to battle it

28:13

off and you get a fever and

28:15

your lungs become inflamed, that's

28:17

your immune system's response to

28:19

the flu virus. But when your

28:21

body says, okay, calm down, everybody,

28:24

let's bring the temperature back down,

28:26

and your body represses its own

28:28

immune response, it opens the door

28:30

for bacteria that normally it would

28:32

be able to fight off to

28:34

take advantage of this kind of

28:37

naturally weakened state that your immune

28:39

system is in, and you're much

28:41

more susceptible to infections from bacteria.

28:43

And that's where pneumonia comes from.

28:45

You can get viral pneumonia, but

28:48

you usually get bacterial pneumonia. And

28:50

that's the stuff that people can

28:52

die from because that bacteria infects

28:55

your air sacs in your lungs

28:57

which fill fluid and pus and

28:59

blood and you die from choking

29:02

on bloody froth that fills up

29:04

your airway. Yeah, it's a bad

29:06

jam, man. Severe dehydration is another

29:09

secondary symptom of the flu. That's

29:11

why, of course, you always want

29:14

to drink plenty of water when

29:16

you have a cold or a flu. I look

29:18

that one up too, Chuck, because if you think

29:20

about it, why? Why would you be dehydrated

29:22

from the flu? It's from sweating? Yeah,

29:24

sure. Your nose running? Yeah, just leaking

29:26

fluids. Yeah, you are. And like,

29:29

they start to add up and

29:31

all of a sudden you're dehydrated

29:33

before you've been doing. That's right,

29:35

ear infections, especially if you're a

29:37

kid, sinus issues. Emily always gets

29:39

bad sinus problems along with this

29:41

stuff. I know she was starting

29:43

to get a little sniffly.

29:45

Is she sick? She did get sick. Oh,

29:48

that poor lady. Yeah, New York, man. Yeah.

29:50

It killed everyone I love. And then if

29:52

you, like, in Emily's case, she's

29:54

slightly astomatic. But if you are

29:56

asthmatic, you have like diabetes. It

29:59

can make that. stuff worse. Yeah,

30:01

she doesn't have diabetes right? No.

30:03

Well the reason diabetes is is

30:05

comorbid with the flu or is

30:07

problematic when you have with the

30:09

flu is because type one diabetes

30:11

especially is an autoimmune disease so

30:14

your immune system is already repressed

30:16

I guess. Yeah. And then heart

30:18

conditions can be exacerbated by it

30:20

because you're getting less... oxygen from

30:22

your lungs into your bloodstream which

30:24

strains the heart and if it's

30:27

already weak people have heart attacks

30:29

from the flu if they already

30:31

have a heart condition. Isn't that

30:33

crazy? Yeah. Again it's a bad

30:35

jam. Well actually in the episode

30:37

coming up about the the silly

30:39

one about the ten cursed movies.

30:42

Remember the the little girl from

30:44

Poltergeist died from at 12 from

30:46

a heart attack brought on by

30:48

the flu. Yeah, right? Yeah, or

30:50

she had like a stomach block,

30:52

they initially diagnosed it as the

30:55

flu. Oh, okay. But I thought

30:57

it was not never like a

30:59

virus like that? I don't think

31:01

so. I think they mistook it.

31:03

All right, well then forget all

31:05

that. But people do, so your

31:07

point still remains correct. Okay. So

31:10

how you get the flu is

31:12

this. Like you said, it's generally

31:14

about November through March. January and

31:16

February tend to be the worst

31:18

of it. here in the United

31:20

States. And as we mentioned, offices

31:23

and schools especially, because children are

31:25

filthy monsters who just don't wash

31:27

hands and they breathe on each

31:29

other and touch each other and

31:31

they don't cover their mouths when

31:33

they call for sneeze. But it's

31:35

pretty cute when they hug each

31:38

other. It's very cute, actually. It's

31:40

worth all the sickness in the

31:42

world. It's pretty great. That's the

31:44

reason that kids tend to spread

31:46

it more because as much as

31:48

you try and teach them to

31:51

cover their mouth and they cough

31:53

and sneeze and wash their hands

31:55

a lot, it's just not really

31:57

on their radar like it is

31:59

for adults. No, you know, because

32:01

they are dirty, dirty, dirty creatures.

32:03

And then, you know, the kid

32:06

then in turn brings it home

32:08

and the family gets infected pretty

32:10

quickly because tries you might. There's

32:12

just a lot of close contact

32:14

with kids that you can't avoid.

32:16

And even if you're washing your

32:19

hands, they will find a way

32:21

to infect you. Right. And if

32:23

you go even further back, there's

32:25

an even earlier origin before. kids

32:27

picking it up at daycare or

32:29

preschool for the flu. Usually it

32:31

comes from other animals we're finding,

32:34

right? Yes. Frequently birds, like we

32:36

were saying, right? And they used

32:38

to think that for a human

32:40

to catch a flu from a

32:42

bird, especially, that flu had to

32:44

show up in a mixing vessel,

32:47

usually a pig, which was capable

32:49

of taking it. It could be

32:51

infected by a bird flu and

32:53

a human flu, and flu viruses

32:55

have this amazing talent called reassortment,

32:57

where a flu strain can get

32:59

together and be like, oh, hey,

33:02

you have eight proteins that make

33:04

up your... R&A, I do too.

33:06

Let's mix and match and see

33:08

what happens. And they thought for

33:10

a long time that this really

33:12

only took place in pigs and

33:15

then out would come a new

33:17

super virus that no one had

33:19

ever seen before that humans could

33:21

catch. But from Southeast Asia, people

33:23

being in close contact with infected

33:25

birds, especially like in the poultry

33:27

industry or something, there have been

33:30

cases that started in the 90s

33:32

of avium flu. coming directly from

33:34

birds to humans. So that theory

33:36

went out the window. Yeah. And

33:38

that's what set off those fears

33:40

of a bird flu pandemic that

33:43

we lived with for many years.

33:45

Yeah, that's right. As far as,

33:47

and you know, a lot of

33:49

that was just spread from bird

33:51

poop. Yeah, and it scared people

33:53

because that... those bird flus are

33:55

no joke like they they have

33:58

like a 60% mortality rate 60%

34:00

six out of 10 people who

34:02

come down with H5N1 bird flu

34:04

die right yeah luckily it's really

34:06

really difficult to catch it even

34:08

when you are around sick birds

34:11

it doesn't very frequently make the

34:13

jump to humans but it can

34:15

is what they what they found

34:17

yeah as far as the regular

34:19

flu the garden variety flu that

34:21

we're talking about mainly here, it

34:23

spreads from, well like we said,

34:26

from touching stuff, from coughing and

34:28

sneezing when you cough and sneeze,

34:30

even if you think you're covering

34:32

your mouth pretty well, there may

34:34

be little fluids squirting out between

34:36

your fingers up to a few

34:39

feet. It's in the air around

34:41

you. That stuff can travel, you

34:43

know, so if that lands on

34:45

a doorknob or if someone covers

34:47

their mouth like a normal and

34:49

then opens a door or borrows

34:51

a stapler or whatever, it's going

34:54

to be on that doorknob and

34:56

then you touch it and that's

34:58

why like hand washing by the

35:00

sick and by the non-sick is

35:02

so crucial. Yeah. And if you're

35:04

like having an anxious day at

35:07

work and you're doing your normal

35:09

thing of chewing on your stapler

35:11

to relieve anxiety and the guy

35:13

who borrowed it was sick you're

35:15

toast. You are toast. And as

35:17

you mentioned earlier it bears repeating

35:19

you can be sick a day

35:22

before symptoms and you can or

35:24

you can be contagious a day

35:26

before symptoms and still remain contagious

35:28

up to seven days after the

35:30

symptoms start. Right. So even if

35:32

you feel better after day four.

35:35

you could still be spreading that

35:37

junk around for a few more

35:39

days. Right, and they say that

35:41

even after you feel better you

35:43

should stay in bed an extra

35:45

day because again your immune system

35:47

is compromised and you are like

35:50

you... can catch other stuff so

35:52

you want to be careful that

35:54

extra day really pays off and

35:56

that's when you just lay in

35:58

bed and watch stranger things too

36:00

right I haven't seen it yet

36:03

is it good yeah we just

36:05

finished it last night cool did

36:07

you see the first season yeah

36:09

yeah yeah that was great season

36:11

two is just as great if

36:13

not better I'm happy to say

36:15

I'm glad to say that too

36:18

I was a little nervous you

36:20

know because it was something I

36:22

loved and it's like oh man

36:24

season two a lot of pressure

36:26

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36:31

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36:33

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36:37

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41:57

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42:01

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42:03

it'll still be passed around. And

42:05

so for the decade or so,

42:07

it can be the predominant strain

42:09

of the flu, but it'll have

42:11

changed over to a seasonal type

42:14

of flu. So it's almost like

42:16

the pandemic versus seasonal type flu

42:18

describes how contagious it is and

42:20

how virulent it is. I think

42:22

that's the big distinction. Yeah, and

42:24

I think also, in the pandemic,

42:26

doesn't that mean it has left

42:28

the country? Yeah, I think that

42:31

is kind of one of the

42:33

indicators of it too. Yeah. 1918,

42:35

those, these numbers are staggering. This

42:37

is the worst flu pandemic in

42:39

world history in 1918. For, I

42:41

don't know what months exactly, but

42:43

1918 and 19, and it killed

42:45

more than 20 million people. around

42:48

the world. And it killed most

42:50

of those people actually in four

42:52

months from September to December. Isn't

42:54

that crazy? More lives were lost

42:56

than all 20th century wars combined

42:58

to the flu. Yeah. You said

43:00

20 million? 20 million worldwide, about

43:02

half a million in the United

43:05

States. I saw in many reputable

43:07

places 50 million people died around

43:09

the world. It's just, it's staggering.

43:11

Yeah. And it was like right

43:13

at the end of World War

43:15

One. and just came out in

43:17

nowhere. And one of the other

43:19

really noteworthy things about it that

43:22

just baffled people was it was

43:24

killing like healthy people under the

43:26

age of like 22, 23, 24.

43:28

Like just healthy young people killed

43:30

by the flu. A lot of

43:32

them died from pneumonia. And they

43:34

finally figured out that it was

43:37

because... It had been about 20-something

43:39

years since a flu resembling that

43:41

type of strain had made the

43:43

rounds. So people under, say, like,

43:45

age 25 had never been exposed

43:47

to it. So it was a

43:49

novel flu, which just levels... that

43:51

people that was exposed to had

43:54

never encountered something like it before.

43:56

Yeah, I mean it's scared to

43:58

think about, I mean surely that

44:00

couldn't happen today, could it? Or

44:02

could it? Oh yeah. Yeah? Sure.

44:04

Man, you think that we could

44:06

have had something like that off

44:08

these days? Do you know like

44:11

a third of the population of

44:13

the world was infected with that

44:15

flu that year? Wow, isn't that

44:17

crazy? I know, that's hard to

44:19

believe. Yeah, that can totally happen.

44:21

It's a real concern. All right,

44:23

so as far as your risk

44:25

of getting the flu, if you're

44:28

a kid, like there's different risk

44:30

groups, like high risk, low risk,

44:32

whatever, medium or average risk. But

44:34

if you're under two years old,

44:36

your little immune system isn't quite

44:38

smart enough yet to know how

44:40

to fight things off. So you're

44:42

definitely more at risk. And as

44:45

always, what affects the children also

44:47

affect the elderly. So if you're

44:49

over 65, Seniors is elderly wrong

44:51

to say. I think elderly is

44:53

technically 81. Oh really? Yeah. All

44:55

right so we'll go with seniors.

44:57

Seniors. Active senior adults who have

44:59

decades left ahead of them. That's

45:02

right. Who else? Anyone who has

45:04

any kind of chronic like I

45:06

mentioned, asthma or diabetes, any kind

45:08

of chronic condition if you're pregnant?

45:10

If you work in a hospital

45:12

or a doctor's office, or a

45:14

nursing home. Nursing home is not

45:17

just people who work there, but

45:19

the residents too are in a

45:21

really vulnerable position. Because they are

45:23

in the elderly age range, their

45:25

immune systems are pretty compromised. If

45:27

they're in a nursing home, they're

45:29

probably ill already, and then they're

45:31

living in close quarters with other

45:34

people who are ill. That's a

45:36

recipe for a disaster. It is

45:38

the best around. Remedy wise, and

45:40

we'll talk about vaccinations here in

45:42

a minute, because I thought that

45:44

was kind of one of the

45:46

most interesting parts of this. But

45:48

as far as remedies, if you

45:51

get the flu, it's a virus.

45:53

So you can't take antibiotics. No.

45:55

You can't take a pill that's

45:57

going to cure you. There are

45:59

some antiviral drugs, which I've never

46:01

tried any of these, have you?

46:03

No. No? No. I tried Zycam

46:05

last year once. I think that's

46:08

for colds. Yeah, I thought that

46:10

was like discredited. Well, I mean,

46:12

I had a few people say,

46:14

oh, you should try Zycam. It

46:16

helps not got your cold faster

46:18

cold faster. killed my sense of

46:20

taste and smell. Oh no. For

46:22

several days to the point where

46:25

I was scared. I don't remember

46:27

that. I'll bet you were scared.

46:29

Yeah, and I looked it up

46:31

and it's a thing. Oh, I

46:33

do remember that actually. Yeah. Yeah,

46:35

that's just really unnerving the idea

46:37

of maybe it's permanent? Yeah, it

46:39

was pretty freaky. Yeah, I bet.

46:42

And super noticeable it wasn't like

46:44

a subtle thing. You'd be like...

46:46

Chile! I miss you! So that

46:48

was my experience. I'm not making

46:50

some sweeping statement about that medication.

46:52

Way to COA, man. But there

46:54

are antiviral drugs called, there's one

46:56

called Tamiflu, Rolenza, Flumeidine, a little

46:59

on the nose, if you ask

47:01

me. Right. Flu stop. Well, antiviral

47:03

drugs, they seem like a good

47:05

idea. under the premise that seasonal

47:07

flu strains were used to think

47:09

they used to think that they

47:11

used to think that they died

47:14

out at the end of a

47:16

season right right well they started

47:18

tracking them like our global monitoring

47:20

system is really top-notch and they

47:22

can track flu around the world

47:24

and they found that seasonal flu

47:26

at the end of the season

47:28

in North America it just goes

47:31

to South America yeah so since

47:33

since That's the case when you

47:35

use antivirals and you're exposing these

47:37

flus that go on to survive.

47:39

You're also training them, evolutionarily speaking,

47:41

to adapt so that those antiviral

47:43

drugs are useless. against them for

47:45

people who like really need them.

47:48

So just like with antibiotics, using

47:50

antivirals just to cure a common

47:52

flu or to shorten a common

47:54

flu is probably a bad idea

47:56

when you're talking about the whole

47:58

population. Yeah and that's what they

48:00

do. They what they try to

48:02

do is just keep the spread,

48:05

cellular spread from happening as much

48:07

as it can. Right. And that's

48:09

sort of the easiest way to

48:11

say it. Yeah, yeah, there's one

48:13

keeps them, well, two, a pair

48:15

of them keep them from replicating

48:17

and then another one traps them

48:19

inside a cell once they enter.

48:22

It's like, oh God, I can't

48:24

get out. The door is locked

48:26

and then death. And they're all

48:28

prescription drugs, if I'm not mistaken.

48:30

So vaccines are like pretty hot.

48:32

They're like the hot thing to

48:34

do on a Friday night is

48:36

to go get a flu vaccine,

48:39

right? Yeah, I didn't get flu

48:41

shots for... many many many many

48:43

years until I had a kid.

48:45

Yeah and they say like if

48:47

you if you especially if you

48:49

have a baby under six months

48:51

of age they can't be vaccinated

48:54

and so everyone around them should

48:56

be vaccinated is the the recommendation

48:58

from the CDC. Yeah like our

49:00

close family the Grand Grands and

49:02

the Abba's all in the pop

49:04

pops and the poppas and the

49:06

pupas and the Mimiings and the

49:08

Momos. Hey, that's your dog. Yeah,

49:11

Momo got a flu shot. That

49:13

was nice of her. She's very

49:15

kind. So yeah, we all got

49:17

flu shots and I just wasn't,

49:19

you know, I never got the

49:21

flu much. I never, I didn't

49:23

have a disbelief in the flu

49:25

vaccine. I was just like, nah,

49:28

I don't really need to bother

49:30

with that. Yeah, that's kind of

49:32

fine. Do you get them now

49:34

though? No, is it a habit

49:36

of yours now? Well, yeah, now

49:38

just they just sort of recommend

49:40

it when you have kids up

49:42

until they're a certain age, you

49:45

should get vaccinated as a family.

49:47

Right. And when you have kids,

49:49

if you get them vaccinated you

49:51

once they're able to be vaccinated

49:53

again under six months they say

49:55

no no don't do that when

49:57

they're young though and you're getting

49:59

them vaccinated they need to be

50:02

vaccinated twice like a month apart

50:04

yes and so with flu vaccines

50:06

in general they recommend that you

50:08

get it as early in the

50:10

season as possible because it takes

50:12

about two weeks for that to

50:14

take effect so with a kid

50:16

then I guess you would want

50:19

to get them so that six

50:21

weeks before the flu season? I

50:23

don't know. Or is that second

50:25

one pretty much like, okay, now

50:27

it's taking effect? So is it

50:29

four weeks plus two weeks? Or

50:31

just four weeks? I don't remember

50:34

the schedule. Yeah, I don't remember

50:36

the schedule. Well, yeah, I don't

50:38

remember the schedule. Well, ask your

50:40

doctor, okay, we're not doctors. Stop

50:42

pressuring. Well, they'll tell you, like,

50:44

when you go to get your

50:46

little kitty checkups, they say, you

50:48

know, come back in this month

50:51

and get your flu shot this

50:53

month and get your flu shot

50:55

number two. And so for a

50:57

while there, there were two kinds

50:59

of flu shots that the CDC

51:01

recommended. One was an actual shot,

51:03

the flu vaccine that was in

51:05

a shot form. And then there

51:08

was another one that's called live

51:10

attenuated influence of virus, which came

51:12

in the form of a nasal

51:14

spray. And that was usually recommended

51:16

for kids. I don't know if

51:18

it's because kids don't like needles

51:20

or what. But the CDC has

51:22

officially stopped recommending. nasal flu vaccines.

51:25

Yeah, don't do those anymore. Well,

51:27

and when they were doing it,

51:29

when we say kids, you had

51:31

to be over five, because it

51:33

was a, like you said, a

51:35

live, a live virus. Right. It

51:37

was a live weekend virus. Yeah,

51:39

and that's different. Like if you

51:42

think, all right, I'm going to

51:44

get a flu shot. So that

51:46

means I'm going to get the

51:48

flu virus shot into me. And

51:50

so I might feel like I

51:52

have the flu. That's not really

51:54

the case. It's really kind of

51:56

neat how they do it. These

51:59

scientists and doctors, like you said,

52:01

track what's going on in the

52:03

world of flu. all over the

52:05

world and they they sort of

52:07

make a pretty, well they don't

52:09

sort of, they very definitely make

52:11

a prediction and say here's the

52:14

flu strain specific to the United

52:16

States let's say that I think

52:18

we're going to be faced with

52:20

this year and they make their

52:22

best scientific guess possible and that

52:24

is the you get a not

52:26

live version of that virus injected

52:28

in your body. sees, hey, foreign

52:31

invaders here, let me produce antibodies,

52:33

then if that virus, or if

52:35

the real flu knocks on your

52:37

door later, that winter, your body

52:39

says, wait, I've met you before,

52:41

I'm not going to fight you.

52:43

Yeah. But it's pretty cool, like,

52:45

and it literally, the effectiveness, I

52:48

looked up this year, and it's

52:50

a year-to-year thing. It's 40 to

52:52

60% on this year's strain, and

52:54

it varies because it really just

52:56

depends on how Well, those scientists

52:58

have predicted how much they get

53:00

it right right right because if

53:02

if they get all three wrong

53:05

Well, then you're toast when you

53:07

encounter the flu that's going around

53:09

that season It's really interesting, but

53:11

even when they do get it

53:13

right. It's kind of baffling that

53:15

sometimes the flu vaccine just doesn't

53:17

bestow any kind of immunity. Apparently

53:19

Australia just came out of a

53:22

really bad epidemic flu season down

53:24

there and it didn't cause a

53:26

lot of deaths but everybody was

53:28

sick with the flu. It was

53:30

an H3 type flu that went

53:32

around and even though that strain

53:34

showed up in the vaccine that

53:36

was given out. Only like 15%

53:39

of people who got vaccinated and

53:41

were exposed to the flu were

53:43

immune to it. Like 85% of

53:45

people who got flu vaccines and

53:47

then encountered the flu still got

53:49

sick. That's a pretty bad track

53:51

record for a flu vaccine and

53:54

they're just not sure why. One

53:56

of the theories is so when

53:58

they make flu vaccines they grow

54:00

them in egg protein. like eggs?

54:02

That's the medium they use to

54:04

actually grow the viruses that they

54:06

then kill. One researcher pointed out

54:08

that at least one kind of

54:11

flu virus mutates in the presence

54:13

of egg protein so that this

54:15

the virus that you put in

54:17

to grow in there is different

54:19

from the one that comes out.

54:21

It's a mutated version and so

54:23

maybe that would would prevent your

54:25

body from recognizing the original one

54:28

that you were trying to introduce

54:30

it to in the vaccine. So

54:32

interesting. It is pretty interesting. Well

54:34

and they say there's a list

54:36

of people who should not receive

54:38

the flu shot and one of

54:40

the one of those qualifications is

54:42

if you are allergic to chicken

54:45

eggs then you shouldn't get a

54:47

flu shot. Yeah there's like a

54:49

couple of other ways that they

54:51

make flu shots flu vaccines but

54:53

that chicken egg is the most

54:55

predominant way to do it. Yeah

54:57

if you're currently have a fever

54:59

wait on your flu shot under

55:02

six months of course we said

55:04

you cannot. If you have had

55:06

flu shots in the past and

55:08

you had a bad reaction, because

55:10

like I said, it's not going

55:12

to make you sick, but you

55:14

might feel a little achy or

55:16

have sore muscles or something. But

55:19

you can't have a bad reaction,

55:21

and if that's the case, then

55:23

maybe flu shots aren't for you.

55:25

Right. Which we will never do

55:27

an episode on that. Vaccinations. Right.

55:29

Oh, you don't think so? I

55:31

don't know man. So the the

55:34

idea that a flu vaccine can

55:36

you know check all the boxes

55:38

but still just be wrong wrong

55:40

wrong or not confer immunity has

55:42

some people looking for a universal

55:44

vaccine or one that lasts way

55:46

longer than just a year. What

55:48

they're targeting is so when you

55:51

get a normal vaccine that vaccine

55:53

is based on that H. A

55:55

protein. The hemaggluten? Yeah. And that's

55:57

the most quickly evolving part of

55:59

any flu virus, right? So they're

56:01

saying, well, let's look at other

56:03

parts of the flu virus that

56:05

don't evolve nearly as quickly and

56:08

target that. And some of those

56:10

parts are even basically universal among

56:12

all flu viruses. So if you

56:14

can find, if you can create

56:16

a vaccine based on a stable

56:18

part of a flu virus that's

56:20

a part of every flu virus,

56:22

one vaccine could confer. Ideally, lifelong

56:25

immunity from all influenza for anybody

56:27

who takes the vaccine. One vaccine

56:29

to cure them all? Exactly. Wow.

56:31

Yeah. So, you got anything else?

56:33

No. I mean, I guess we're

56:35

not going to cover the boogie-wooky

56:37

flu. I thought that was boogie-wogie

56:39

fever. No, it's the rockin' pneumonia

56:42

in the boogie-wogie-wickey flu. Oh, that's

56:44

nice. What's that from? Is that

56:46

in Atlanta rhythm section song? No,

56:48

they're better than that. Okay. Well,

56:50

since I said Atlanta Rhythm Section,

56:52

everybody, that means it's time for

56:54

a listener male. Yeah, this is

56:56

a Simpsons overlooks Simpsons bit from

56:59

us. And this is not one

57:01

of those, we get plenty of

57:03

things where people are like, how

57:05

could you not have mentioned this

57:07

quote or this episode? But the

57:09

response was good, then people weren't

57:11

necessarily poo-pooing it. No, and also

57:14

I want to say thank you

57:16

to everybody who wrote in to

57:18

just say congratulations or to thank

57:20

us. That was all, every single

57:22

one of those emails or tweets

57:24

or posts were all well received,

57:26

so thanks for those guys. Totally.

57:28

But this is something we failed

57:31

to mention, which definitely deserves its

57:33

own email. And this is from

57:35

Rich, our man on Cape Cod,

57:37

as he says. Hey guys, I

57:39

was listening to The Simpsons two-part

57:41

or enjoyed it very much. You

57:43

explained how an episode came to

57:45

be from conception, to animation, etc.

57:48

and you paid respect to each

57:50

portion. When you slide it off

57:52

one of the most important men

57:54

in the franchise, you just said,

57:56

and then they slapped Danny Elphin's

57:58

score on it and it's done.

58:00

Well, as any true Simpsons official,

58:02

I would know, Danny Elphin has

58:05

never once written a score to

58:07

the Simpsons. He wrote, as we

58:09

know, just the title, or the

58:11

theme, the theme song. So he

58:13

says, that job fell to the

58:15

immensely talented and recently terminated via

58:17

email Alf Clausen. For 27 years,

58:19

every score, every cue, every song

58:22

was composed, orchestrated and conducted by

58:24

Closin in his live orchestra. He's

58:26

won two Emmy's and seven Annie

58:28

Awards for his work. The reason

58:30

this is such a painful sight

58:32

was because this omission has been

58:34

happening for years. Closin has worked

58:36

insane hours writing music for a

58:39

live orchestra to accompany an animated

58:41

show. He's always played second fiddle.

58:43

Nailed it, he said. to all

58:45

those who think Elphin is any

58:47

part of the show after he

58:49

pinned the main title. In fact,

58:51

the main title theme song we

58:54

all know and love is actually

58:56

Closin's re-orcastration of Elphin's theme that

58:58

took place mid-season three with a

59:00

lusher more crisp orchestration. Wow. I

59:02

bet you anything rich plays the

59:04

oboe. Alf Closin, I'm so sorry.

59:06

I know. He said I admire

59:08

your podcast for bringing light information

59:11

that has been stuck lurking in

59:13

the shadows. You always make sure

59:15

credit is given. to those who

59:17

sometimes went their entire lives without

59:19

getting a nod they deserve. Well

59:21

this guy's really turning the knife

59:23

in our backs, doesn't he? And

59:25

I feel you owe Closin, that

59:28

respect. So Alf Closin, for real.

59:30

And then he, it was a

59:32

bit of a longer email, he

59:34

told the story of how he

59:36

was recently fired by email, which

59:38

is not cool. No, it's definitely

59:40

not. Yeah, sir. 27 years of

59:42

dedicated work. I know, man. Not

59:45

cool, guys. So that is a

59:47

rich, our man on Cape Quad.

59:49

Well, thanks a lot, Rich. Appreciate

59:51

that. That was one of the

59:53

better emails I've heard in a

59:55

while. Agreed. If you want to

59:57

try and top rich... Let's see

59:59

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Rebellion, our new Star Wars

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Marshall, voice of Harrison Doolis,

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Taylor Gray, as a bridge of

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the ghost crew stow, a moderator,

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specter. Each week, we're going to

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