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this best of episode. First up on
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the Monday. You
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need eight hours of sleep a night.
2:19
This is what we've heard. You need to
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wake up with the sun, you need to
2:23
not look at your phone an hour before
2:26
bed, but how many of those do we
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actually get? I don't
2:30
think I've ever managed all three
2:32
of those at once. I do
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not get eight hours of sleep, I do not
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wake up with the sun and I play on my phone 24-7. It
2:38
is my worst habit. Sleep
2:42
is such an issue for so many of
2:44
us, but one of the biggest reasons I'm
2:47
interested in sleep is because if
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I don't get enough sleep, I'm not
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going to be motivated the next day. I'm going
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to be doing anything I can to get home
2:55
and get back to bed. And
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so many of my clients say the same thing. If
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they didn't sleep well the night before, chances are they're
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not going to turn up to our session. And if
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they do turn up, they cut it short and they
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just don't give it their all. And I totally get
3:08
that. We cannot be
3:10
the best versions of ourselves without
3:12
prioritising our sleep. We simply cannot
3:15
achieve our goals if we're tired.
3:17
You can push and push and push yourself, but
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you're working harder, not smarter. And at some point,
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you're going to drop the ball in your health
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to make way for other things in your life.
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Now, when I was preparing for this week's
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topic, I was looking into research that went
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viral last year about how women apparently
3:38
need more sleep than
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men. What it seemed to
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say was that because women multitask so
3:45
much more than men, they actually use
3:47
their brain more. But if how
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you use your brain throughout the day affects how
3:51
much sleep you need, what other
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factors are there impacting your sleep
3:55
that we don't know about? So
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this week, I want to know if there's actually a
4:00
one-size-fits-all sleep solution and if there
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is not I want to know
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what are the factors that I
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don't know that are affecting my
4:08
sleep. Now I don't want to hear
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that eight hours a day no phones before bed I've
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tried all of them and I'm still sleeping terribly so
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there's got to be something else out there and
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I want to have a real talk here
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how can I as a woman who is
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multitasking 27,000 things at
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once have the best sleep of my
4:26
life I don't want an okay sleep
4:28
like I want to know what the
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Olympic athletes are doing to make sure
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that they can sleep perfectly that night
4:35
before a race so this week I'm
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focused on sleep because if we get
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a better sleep we get energized and
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we get motivated and if we get
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energized and we get motivated that is
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just one more barrier removed to
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being the healthiest happiest version
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of yourself. To
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dig a little deeper on Tuesday
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I spoke with best-selling author Gabby
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Bernstein on her relationship with sleep.
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Now this week we are talking
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all things sleep and things that
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are surrounding sleep because sleep is
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such a huge part of
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our life and when it's not right I
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feel like everything just goes wrong and I
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know that you've had so many
5:17
experiences in your life where I can imagine
5:20
you have had a really hard week or
5:22
a really hard year and the thing that
5:24
would be something that you struggle with is
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trying to shut your brain off and get
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to sleep so has there been a time
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in your life where you just couldn't shut
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your brain off? When it comes to sleep
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wow good topic big topic necessary topic I
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had a really extreme sleep
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disorder when I experienced postpartum
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depression and anxiety and
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it first manifested in
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the form of insomnia
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which I didn't understand at the time was actually
5:53
panic attacks and has having panic attacks in the
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middle of the night postpartum
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it took me many many months to get a problem proper
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diagnosis and to really understand what was going on.
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But in that time, while getting
6:05
properly diagnosed eventually and getting the
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medicated support that I needed, prior
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to that, I really exhausted
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every single sleep technique, sleep
6:15
hygiene, sleep meditation,
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yoga, nidra, you freaking name it.
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It was something I
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applied. And the
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truth is, I'm going to always be very
6:26
brutally honest when it comes to a biochemical condition
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like postpartum depression or anxiety and insomnia, that
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for me, there was only one choice, which was
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a medicated path. And I'm going to
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speak about that loud and proud because I want to
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save lives. But once
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I was on that path, I needed to
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create structure around my sleep that was going
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to support me. I couldn't just take
6:47
a pill and not deal with the
6:50
other issues. And so sleep
6:52
hygiene became such an extreme priority
6:54
for me. I
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have longtime friends with Ariana Huffington and she
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gave me this bed. It was like literally
7:02
this little square box and it had
7:05
a charger in it,
7:08
like a phone charger and silk
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sheets. And what
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she said was, talk your phone into the
7:14
bed at night in the little silk sheets,
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charge it up in this box and put it in
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another room. And so
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I followed Ariana's guidance and I put my
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phone in another room and it's little silk
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sheets in its box. And
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then I created all of these boundaries
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around sleep. No big talk at night.
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I was really clear with my husband, like let's not get
7:35
into big conversations in the middle of the night, right before
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I go to bed. I would
7:39
always dim the lights, blue light glasses, all
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the kinds of downtime routine. So
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I could literally talk to you about this for the
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next hour, all the different tools that I believe in.
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I would love it. That I swear by when it
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comes to sleep. If you don't sleep, it's
7:52
like a slow death. It's a slow death. And
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it's everything. I mean, above
7:56
everything else, it's the sleep. So
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no big deal. Big talk, no
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eating late, really being
8:03
mindful of not a lot of caffeine in the afternoon. Exercise
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is really extraordinary for your sleep. The more
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exhausted you are, the more you exhaust your
8:11
body. This is sort of logical, but it
8:13
was something I didn't realize when it comes
8:15
to sleep hygiene. My doctor taught me this,
8:17
was that the more that you physically exert
8:19
yourself during the day, the better
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you'll sleep, of course. It's logical, like I said,
8:23
but it's actually super important. Then
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I have a lot of meditations and spiritual practices that I
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would use to help me fall sleep and breath work as
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well. What would you say to someone
8:32
who is like me, who is
8:34
the person who says, I hate meditation, I
8:36
just can't, my brain goes too fast and
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feels a bit silly when they're sitting there,
8:40
hand on heart, hand on tummy,
8:42
trying to breathe. What would you say to that person
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who says, I just can't do it? It's not for
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me, but they want to. I would
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say keep it simple. I
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do think that that heart hold is quite
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simple. That's not even a meditation. It could
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be considered a meditation, but it's really just
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a hold that sends a message to your
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brain that you're safe. That's nice.
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Another thing you can do is
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breathing in for two strokes through your nose and
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out one through your mouth. It would
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be, do it with me right now. Instant
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calm. That
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does calm you a little bit. Why? What?
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Well, it's sending oxygen to your brain. I've never done that.
9:30
Because you're not breathing really, right? So if you're not
9:32
breathing, then you can't settle your nervous system. That
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reminds me of when kids cry and they go, yeah.
9:38
Yeah. Is that them trying to? It
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is a form of self-regulation. Yeah, right.
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Really, it really is. Yeah. Because
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that instantly is calming. Very
9:48
calming, right? So calming. This
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podcast is presented by Bobby Brown
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Cosmetics. and
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advise on how people could achieve that.
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It was really interesting because
12:06
the science really highlighted sleep
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is the underlying pillar that
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then allows you to
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eat well, train well, think well,
12:15
be happy. You're so right. My
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number one question is, is
12:20
it different for men than it is
12:22
for women? There are
12:24
many reasons why sleep
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is different for women than men. Hormones
12:29
like estrogen and progesterone,
12:32
they usually maintain a stable
12:34
core body temperature, which
12:37
maintains a stable production
12:39
of melatonin, which is the core hormone
12:41
to help us fall and stay asleep.
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So core body temperature
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remains stable, melatonin remains stable,
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sleep remains stable, right? You
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influence the first factor,
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which is the hormones.
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When you're ovulating, your hormones are
13:00
going up, down, side to side, back
13:03
to front. Therefore, your body temperature is
13:05
going all over the place. That
13:07
just goes to a whole new level when you're
13:09
pregnant because your hormones are not just going side
13:11
to side, back to front. They're going to the
13:13
moon and back and 10 planets
13:16
over. But then also you've
13:18
got this fetus growing in your belly. So maybe
13:20
you like to sleep on your back, but you
13:22
can't sleep on your back anymore. Right?
13:25
Dis disrupted sleep. Correct. Correct. And
13:28
then you go into
13:30
caregiving. So fun fact,
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parents on average sleep 4.5 hours a night
13:36
for the first 12
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months. That's me. They lose 59%
13:43
of their total sleep time. That's
13:45
me. For the first six and a half
13:48
years, that's how long
13:50
it takes you to make up for
13:52
the deficits you lost. You're lying. In
13:55
that not even kidding, not even kidding.
13:57
This is clinical research. This is a
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is helpful, but what
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would be more ideal is
20:05
if you have a cooling mattress
20:07
pad because then you have direct
20:09
contact and it helps keep that
20:11
core body temperature even cooler. And
20:15
then both, but of course doing both,
20:17
that's the best. So your first element,
20:20
you get a tick. Okay. You get like, that's like
20:22
a 90% tick. Alright, good.
20:25
Yeah. The next element,
20:27
what do we have? We have... Straight into bed,
20:29
watching an action movie and also scrolling on TikTok.
20:31
Okay. This can have work. We can, we can
20:33
work on this one. So if you're going to
20:35
scroll later than you know you should or watch
20:38
TV later than you know you should, at
20:41
least mitigate some of the
20:43
impact with blue light blocking glasses. Talk
20:45
to me about that. Temperature and light
20:48
management, they're your two fundamentals.
20:51
You get those right. That's
20:53
the bottom of your sleep ladder,
20:56
right? Blue light. That
20:58
suppresses melatonin. Melatonin is our
21:00
key sleepiness hormone. There's
21:04
been research that has
21:06
found wearing blue light blocking glasses,
21:08
100% blue light blocking glasses with
21:10
funky orange lenses and you look
21:12
like a 70s
21:17
hippie. It's great. So they can help you
21:19
fall asleep 78% faster
21:21
and wake up 66% less.
21:24
But the thing is that the
21:27
brain has evolved to
21:29
understand light equals
21:31
be alert. It's an
21:33
evolutionary advantage because it meant that
21:35
we were awake and alert when
21:38
it's light outside so we could
21:40
protect ourselves from being killed by
21:42
a bear in the wild. Mm-hmm.
21:44
And blocking out blue light means
21:48
to the brain, okay it's night
21:50
outside. I am going
21:52
to produce melatonin, my sleep promoting
21:54
hormone and therefore you are naturally
21:56
going to feel sleepy. You are
21:58
naturally going to to sleep deeper,
22:01
you are naturally going to wake up
22:03
more refreshed. I will say though, it
22:05
is not just the blue light. It
22:07
is also, especially social media, it's
22:10
so stimulating for the brain.
22:12
It activates the dopamine reward
22:14
pathway, which is the addictive
22:16
pathway, which when your
22:18
brain has been awake is
22:22
even more powerful because using a
22:24
phone in the 30 minutes before
22:27
bed, you are 62% more likely
22:30
to wake through the night. And
22:32
using a phone in the hour before bed, you
22:34
are 48% more likely to take over two hours
22:39
to fall asleep. Oh my God, that's me.
22:41
Okay, I'm burning the phone. Burn the phone. So I'm
22:44
all or nothing guys, I'm just going to have to
22:46
get rid of the phone because it's honestly doing me
22:48
more harm than good. So burning
22:50
the phone each night,
22:53
if that works for you for sure. But
22:55
the biggest misconceptions is that a lot of people believe
22:57
that they just have to stop using their phone. It
23:00
is not just about stopping, it's about replacing it
23:02
with something you enjoy. If we look
23:04
forward to something, we will naturally
23:06
not do something else. If we
23:08
have a better alternative, we will always opt for
23:11
that. And so if we find
23:13
something that is more rewarding than
23:15
being on our phone, for example, you're
23:17
reading your absolute favorite book, or
23:19
you're listening to sleep stories, or you're
23:22
listening to an amazing guided meditation, which
23:24
puts you in such a dreamy state. And
23:27
you're so excited about these activity, you don't even
23:30
think about using the phone. So we
23:32
need to find something to replace the phone with. That's
23:34
one thing, but also
23:36
recognizing that all of the other
23:38
things that we've spoken about today,
23:40
each of these helps your brain
23:42
and your body, but particularly
23:45
your brain calm down. Because
23:48
when the body relaxes by
23:51
having less blue light, for
23:53
example, by having sleep supplements,
23:56
by having a shower
23:58
and dropping in your core
24:01
body temperature. This promotes physiological
24:03
and psychological relaxation. So if you
24:05
are doing all of these steps,
24:07
chances are that by the time
24:09
you get into bed, you will
24:12
not have that racing racing mind
24:14
as much or for as long
24:16
as usually would. If in
24:18
the case that you are laying in bed and
24:20
your brain is still on
24:23
absolute turbo mode, there
24:26
needs to be a 20 minute limit. If
24:28
you are not asleep within 20 minutes,
24:30
get up. Go
24:33
into the lounge. Do not turn on
24:35
lights. Do not use a phone. Do
24:37
not turn on the TV. You
24:39
need to practice something that is
24:41
going to focus your brain in
24:43
another state. So for example, breath
24:45
work, meditation, reading,
24:48
journaling, but you actually
24:50
need to prompt yourself to do those
24:52
activities outside of the bed.
24:55
Then when your brain calms down because
24:57
your brain is focused, then
24:59
you will be able to go
25:02
back to bed and fall asleep
25:04
much easier than if you comparatively just
25:07
stayed in bed. To
25:12
wrap up the week, I knew the
25:14
perfect person to speak to was my
25:16
sister, Leah Itina's about how she literally
25:18
scarred me for life with one of
25:21
her sleepwalking nightmares. So maybe
25:23
you explain what you saw during
25:25
the night. I think my bad
25:27
sleep has started from, you know,
25:29
when it's childhood trauma, it started
25:31
from Leah because Leah would sleepwalk
25:35
so bad. And it wasn't like a normal
25:37
sleepwalking. Like it wasn't funny. There are so
25:39
many funny TikToks of people who record their
25:42
sleep talking and their sleepwalking. And I love
25:44
it. You were the opposite. You were something
25:46
out of a scary fricking movie. When
25:49
you feel someone staring at you, I would
25:51
wake up and you would just be over
25:53
me. Yeah. Just having a look. Just looking.
25:55
Yeah. Just looking at me. Then can I
25:57
sleep in your bed? I'm like, Oh.
26:01
One time, Leah bolted.
26:03
So I like, if you are asleep
26:06
and you hear running footsteps, that
26:08
is immediate panic mode. So we were opposite each
26:10
other in the whole way. So like direct opposite
26:12
rooms. So she could hear anything that I was
26:14
doing. I could hear everything on
26:16
the floorboard. So you have bolted out of
26:18
bed. You have run into the
26:20
room. You've burst open the door and
26:22
you have run directly to the window and flick
26:25
open the curtains. And
26:28
then turn to me and you
26:30
are convinced there's a man outside
26:32
with green eyes. I'm a small
26:35
child. Like you're smaller than me,
26:37
but I'm young and I am
26:39
completely utterly frozen in fear. And
26:41
you're like, can you see him?
26:44
Can you see the man? He has green eyes. And I'm like, I'm thinking
26:46
in my head, is she seeing a
26:48
robber? Like is she seeing someone that's about to
26:50
come into the house? What if I was being
26:52
full serious? I had no idea he was asleep.
26:54
Or are you just sleepwalking? I just scared and
26:57
scarred me forever. And you have
26:59
had a perfect night's sleep. Thanks
27:02
for listening to this best of episode. Now,
27:04
if you want to know more on
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