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any statements or opinions made on

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the podcast. Katie,

3:33

thank you so much for joining me on the show

3:35

today. Thanks for having me again. So

3:38

Katie is one of my best friends and

3:40

I think the story of how Katie and

3:42

I met and how Katie became

3:44

a sweat trainer is very interesting. Thank

3:47

you, Will, if you're listening. And Jay,

3:49

Katie, I'm going

3:51

to let you explain the story. Well, I actually was

3:54

the only one that wasn't there, but I will explain it. So

3:56

from my perspective, my brother calls me

3:59

on a... Was it a Saturday? I

4:01

don't even know. It was a Saturday night. It was

4:03

a Saturday night. My brother calls me and says, you

4:06

would not believe who I just

4:08

met. I'm thinking, I don't know. It's a

4:10

Saturday night. I'm sitting at home by myself. I don't

4:12

know who you've met, William. He

4:15

said to me, I just met Kayla.

4:19

How did he say your last name? It wasn't at Cines.

4:21

It was, it's signs. I

4:23

just met Kayla. It's signs. I'm like, oh

4:26

my God, what? He's like, yeah, yeah. She's at the

4:28

Cal Hall and I lived a street away. He was

4:30

like, come down. I'm like, Will, I'm not just going

4:32

to come down. Anyway, so he tells me that he

4:34

was on a date getting ice cream in a car

4:36

park. And in this car park, it's like part of

4:38

a bit of a precinct and he was getting ice

4:40

cream. And then he drove

4:42

a Ford Raptor Ute and Jay

4:44

drove or owned or had a Ford Raptor

4:46

Ute. And Will was standing there and then

4:48

Jay came over and said something about how

4:51

the car wasn't working or there was something

4:53

wrong with the lights. And then my

4:55

brother, Will started chatting to Jay, being like, oh, it's

4:57

so hard. I can't get the part. And do you

4:59

know someone? And the boys are just having boy chat

5:01

about the car. Understanding. They're like, I want to leave.

5:04

I can imagine you're praying like now, knowing you now, you're like,

5:06

oh my God, I want to leave. Shut

5:08

up. I wanted my ice cream. I turned around

5:10

and Jay was gone. I was like, where is Jay gone? So Jay

5:12

and now knowing Jay as well, he would have just like sprinted over

5:14

to this car. I was like, wow, a car. I was like, oh

5:16

my God, it's a car. Anyway, and then

5:18

him and Jay, my brother, Will and Jay are

5:20

chatting. And then Will said to me, I looked

5:22

up in this girl standing next to Jay. She

5:25

looked really familiar. And he's like, why does she

5:27

look familiar? And then the penny

5:29

dropped. And I think Jay must have introduced

5:31

you and said, oh, sorry, this is my,

5:33

will you fiance? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. This

5:36

is my fiance, Kayla, and Will's gone. Light

5:38

bulb. Oh my God. And

5:40

he goes, you're that fitness chick. And I was

5:42

like, correct. I am. And he goes, oh, my

5:45

sister's a personal trainer. So

5:47

random. And now that I know Will

5:49

and you, so random, but not random at all for

5:51

that. Not random at all. My sister's a personal trainer

5:53

and I was like, cool.

5:56

That's awesome. And he goes, she works here. I

5:59

said, awesome. because she's the best. She's the

6:01

best person on the train. You

6:03

should talk to her. I was like, okay.

6:06

He's like, her name is Katie Martin. I was like,

6:09

where do? He's like, look her up. Will said

6:11

to me, we actually chatted about this two days ago. I was on the phone

6:13

to him and he said to me, I wasn't

6:15

gonna leave her until she looked you up. He's

6:17

like, I made her pull out her phone. Now

6:20

I get to know you, having some random trying to tell

6:22

you what to do, you would have been like, go away.

6:25

I was like, okay, yeah, sure. I'll look her up. And then

6:27

I was like, oh wait, she's actually really cute. Big

6:29

smile, so happy. And I was like, I'm gonna follow

6:32

her. And then randomly, the next day was the next

6:34

day. I remember what you messaged me about. No, no,

6:36

no, no, no. When you popped out of the lift

6:38

and I was like, you're Katie Martin. No, no, no,

6:40

no, no, no. You followed me and I had

6:42

a little heart attack. I was like, oh my God, my brother wasn't

6:45

lying to me. Anyway, and then you messaged me. Followed on Instagram, by

6:47

the way, not like followed behind us. No, no, no, no, no, just

6:49

follow me on Instagram. And then messaged me and said, hi, your

6:52

brother made me send you this message and look you up.

6:54

So tell him I've looked you up and sent you this

6:56

message. Bye, K. You're

6:59

like, hey, K from K. I remember that. I was

7:01

like, this is the weirdest message I've ever read. I

7:03

was like, she's a bot. Like this is a bot.

7:06

Anyway, and then my brothers called me and confirmed that you

7:08

weren't a bot. And then we

7:10

didn't chat after. I think I sent back a message

7:12

being like on and you said, we're leaving, but next

7:15

time I message you. I didn't know I'll say that.

7:17

You did. And then long

7:19

story cut short, like a girl, Botox into my

7:21

master's to stop my migraines. And you messaged me

7:23

saying, this is the best thing ever. You'll love

7:25

it. You'll feel so much better. And

7:28

then that was it. And then literally a

7:30

year later, I was working

7:32

at the Cal Hall hotels, the PT at the

7:34

time and the doors bursted open. Well,

7:36

they kept opened as I do. And I burst

7:39

out of the lift and there was Kayla and

7:41

Jay standing right there in front of me. Kayla

7:43

points me, she goes, oh my God, it's you.

7:46

And I was like, yes, it's me. And I was

7:48

running so late for a client. I was like, I don't have time

7:50

for this, but how do I tell Kayla I don't have time to

7:52

talk to her right now? So I was

7:54

saying, they'd be like, uh-huh, uh-huh. But now knowing

7:56

Kayla's ADHD brain, I was probably working at the right

7:58

pace for her. So. And

8:01

then nothing happened. I said, hi, bye, gotta go

8:03

see ya. I went away for a week

8:05

and worked on a fitness retreat. And

8:07

then I came back and I got, I

8:10

was actually having a meltdown and I was

8:12

lying on my bedroom floor thinking I was

8:15

tired and hadn't slept. It was like a late night flight.

8:17

I was very tired and I got a face on from

8:19

random number. I was marinating in a fresh fake tan. I

8:21

was like, you know what? Why not? Like

8:24

TGIF, like let's do this. I

8:27

was also single at the time so I was just like, you know, this

8:29

could be a cute boy. Who knows? Also don't

8:31

know if I'd answer it in a wet fake tan if I thought

8:33

it was a cute boy. There's

8:35

Kayla's face. There is Kayla's face.

8:38

I'm like, oh, good God. Like

8:40

TGIF gone wrong. And she said, hey. I

8:43

was like, hi. I said, I'm

8:46

literally like in a wet fake tan. And

8:49

she said to me, do you want to be a sweat

8:51

trainer? And I was like, what?

8:56

And I didn't know if it was a joke. I'd

8:58

never spoken to her. I didn't have a number. Like it

9:01

was every trainer has the same story. What if he is

9:03

a trainer? Anyway, I

9:05

was like, um, yeah, okay.

9:08

Sure. Anyway, so yeah, long

9:10

story short, here we are. It's all thanks

9:12

to Jane Will having a bromance over cars.

9:16

Thank you, Jane Will for having the bromance over cars. What's

9:19

the equivalent to bromance for girls?

9:23

Best friends? I don't know. I

9:25

don't know. That's not the same. I

9:27

don't know. Girls discussing their

9:30

periods after 30 minutes of knowing each other. The

9:34

next thing I want to chat to you

9:36

about, and it's a big controversial topic between

9:38

Katie and I, because as like one of

9:41

my best friends, I'm sorry. Katie,

9:43

Katie is going to do a public apology

9:45

to me because I was

9:49

considering birth control. But I was told

9:51

I needed birth control because I kept

9:54

having reoccurring cysts burst. And

9:56

the doctor said, if you would like your cysts to

9:58

get under control, because I have endometriosis. and all these

10:00

other issues, you need to go in some

10:02

sort of birth control. And the first

10:04

thing she said was, have you considered the marina? And

10:07

then I rang you because I knew I was like,

10:09

Katie's on the marina, I rang Katie. And Katie gave

10:12

the marina a 10 out of 10 glowing reviews. I

10:16

should have. She

10:18

should have been this person for

10:20

the marina. But I

10:22

would love if you could just share your

10:25

first impressions of the marina and why you

10:27

gave it such a glowing review and then

10:30

what happened after. So I tried the pill

10:32

when I was 17 for three months, wasn't

10:34

for me. Just didn't agree with me.

10:36

I thought, yup, the pill's not it. And then I

10:38

was trying to my GP a few years later and

10:40

she said there's this more new form

10:42

called a chile. So similar to a marina

10:45

but smaller, different kind of levels of hormones.

10:48

And I was a bit not sure. And then

10:50

I did do it. And at the time I

10:52

had horrifically heavy periods, like I had very, very

10:55

low iron as a result of that. I

10:57

just felt so unwell. My immune system was shot all

10:59

the time. So I just thought, okay, you know what?

11:01

I'm going to give this a go so

11:04

I could try and control my iron levels. And

11:06

then I got it in and it's different for

11:08

everybody. But for me, it stopped me from getting

11:10

my period. And I

11:12

felt amazing because my iron levels went up.

11:14

I never knew what it felt like to

11:16

wake up and not feel like you wanted

11:18

to vomit from how tired you were every

11:20

morning. And I was waking up and

11:23

not get sick. I get sick all the time. I never

11:25

get sick anymore. Anyway, so I was

11:27

like, this is amazing. This is so good. And I

11:29

remember that phone call with you when you call me

11:31

and ask me. And I said, Kayla,

11:33

in the best way possible, I feel like a dude.

11:35

Like I don't have these high highs. I

11:38

don't have these low lows. I can shoot

11:42

whenever we need to, film whenever we need

11:44

to because I don't get bloated. I don't

11:46

get any PMS. I don't get cravings. My

11:48

marathon training has been so good because I

11:50

can just show up each day

11:52

and nothing's changing it. I feel some days I'm

11:54

a bit lethargic or some days I'm full of

11:56

energy. I just feel consistent with how I'd probably

11:59

describe it. I was like sold. Kayla was like,

12:01

give me it. I

12:03

want it. I was like, Katie said it was this

12:05

good and it sold me on. You

12:07

said I feel like what it would feel like to be a guy

12:10

every single day. And I was like, sold.

12:12

Sold. Sold. Because

12:14

all the men in my life seemed to have endless

12:16

energy and I was there with a headache, low iron,

12:18

burst cyst. I was like, I want to feel like

12:20

that. Yeah. So it was good.

12:23

So I had it in for about three and a

12:25

half years. I also at the

12:28

almost three year mark, I got a new

12:30

one put in because I could feel the

12:32

hormones that it was releasing wearing off. So

12:34

I was chatting to my doctor. He

12:37

agreed. Great idea. Let's get

12:39

a new one put in. I loved it. When I

12:41

was telling you, I honestly, it was the best thing I could have done

12:43

for myself and my health. And I still stand by the fact to help

12:45

me get my iron levels back up and get on top of that. And

12:48

then about the three and a half year

12:51

mark, I watched a TikTok about girl

12:53

talk about how all

12:55

these weird symptoms she was having about anxiety, libido,

12:57

mood swings, all these things. And I was like,

12:59

and I just got it in my head and

13:01

you knowing me, if I get something in my

13:03

head, I have to action it. And I was

13:05

chatting to my doctor and I said, I really

13:07

want to get this out. Like I just, I've

13:09

got it in my head. I've got a gut

13:11

feeling it's not right for me anymore. And,

13:14

you know, if it's not that, then we can put

13:16

in another one back in. Like it's not the end

13:18

of the world. And he just said to me, let's

13:20

just get it out and see how you go. I

13:23

haven't had one in for, it's been five

13:25

weeks. When I say

13:27

after one week, I felt the only way I could

13:29

describe it was that I got my personality back. I've

13:32

never suffered from any mental health issues. I would

13:35

get stressed at times, but nothing to write home

13:37

about. I always had really great coping mechanisms. And

13:39

last year I said to you the other day,

13:41

I don't think there was a day that went

13:44

past. I didn't cry. And

13:46

I had panic attacks. I had

13:49

anxiety daily. And like when

13:51

I say panic attacks, I mean a whole

13:53

day in bed, not able to get out of bed. And

13:55

I think that would shock a lot of people because I am a happy

13:57

person and I don't portray that on my

13:59

social. It's not something I felt open to share because

14:01

I didn't know why it was happening. And

14:04

I would ring Katie and Katie would

14:06

be in bed and I knew if I rang her at

14:08

like two or three o'clock, she would answer, but she would

14:10

answer in bed. And she's like, dude, I'm just so

14:13

tired all the time. And

14:16

it was all because of

14:18

this birth control and it suddenly

14:20

just didn't work for you. And it definitely didn't

14:23

work for me. So I experienced all the same

14:25

things. I was happy, happy, happy. Other than

14:27

the cysts, I was totally happy. I was like, I'm not the

14:29

mariner. The only way to explain it was I was nothing. I

14:32

was nothing. I lost my personality. As much as

14:34

you don't feel the lows, you don't feel the

14:36

highs. Absolutely. But why I didn't

14:38

put it down to this sooner was because it was

14:40

over three and a half years. But also in this

14:43

three and a half years, I had started at sweat.

14:46

My social media presence had grown. I

14:48

was in a new relationship. I had

14:50

moved where I was living. I

14:52

had stuff going on with my family. Like

14:54

there was so many things happening that I

14:56

just put it down to those.

14:58

I even started seeing a psychologist last year for

15:00

more coping mechanisms because I thought things from

15:03

when I was 17 were still

15:05

presenting themselves. And

15:08

it was the last thing I thought was contributing. And look,

15:10

if it works for you and there are some people that

15:12

feel amazing on it and that's great for them. And

15:15

it worked for me for the first three years. And then that

15:17

last year for me was, I mean,

15:19

I feel like a different, I don't know if

15:22

you know the difference, but I feel... Different person.

15:24

Different person. I'm just happy.

15:26

Happy. Like I'm so

15:28

happy. And I wasn't sad

15:30

last year, but I was nothing. Yeah, I

15:32

get it. I wasn't down, but I wasn't

15:34

up. I was just, eh. I was just

15:36

existing. I wasn't living. I mean, I feel

15:38

like all of that is just great. And

15:40

I really want to deep dive this week

15:43

into learning more about birth

15:45

control and what works for certain people and why

15:47

it doesn't work for certain people and what can

15:49

you do and what you shouldn't be doing, I

15:51

guess, and why it didn't work for me because

15:53

it really didn't work for me. What do you

15:55

do now to keep your hormones, imbalance and counteract

15:57

what was going on? Sorry how I track my...

16:00

cycles now is auring. Cool. And I got

16:02

this, it gives you a whole bunch of

16:04

data, but the main thing I loved about

16:06

it was that it takes your temperature and

16:09

then it syncs up with an app called

16:11

Natural Cycles and that is what graphs it,

16:13

tracks it. And I'm loving this because I

16:15

love data from like an overall women's health

16:18

point of view, to understand my body and

16:20

then to approach it with like, okay, it's

16:23

the week before your period. Be

16:26

nice to yourself. Yeah. Don't expect nothing

16:28

from yourself and anything above nothing is

16:30

great. Like clap, great

16:32

job. But then the week after my

16:34

period, that's when I should do all my content planning.

16:37

That's when I should train really hard because I'm feeling

16:39

super creative, full of energy, amazing, super confident. I would

16:41

love to sit down with the sweat team and be

16:43

like, these are the dates I can shoot. That's

16:46

what I do. Yeah, okay. Squeech up.

16:49

This is my cycles. Yeah. Don't

16:51

do it when I have my period. Not showing up. Yeah. Because

16:54

I've only been off my contraception for, like

16:56

I said, five weeks now. And the week

16:58

before we did the reboot bootcamp, I was

17:01

feeling horrific. I felt bloated. My boobs felt

17:03

big old. And then literally two days after

17:05

the bootcamp, I got my period and I

17:07

was like, every time. Every

17:09

time. It's happened for that many years. Every time I'm like,

17:11

that makes sense. That makes sense. That makes

17:14

sense. Like going back and apologizing to everyone. I've just

17:16

like launched over that past week. I did that. I

17:18

had this massive, sucky lala

17:20

about like, and I never say anything, but I was like,

17:23

right. Like everyone's like, what's wrong? I

17:25

was like, well, the house is missing and this and that. And

17:27

I really lost it. And then I came back. I had my

17:29

period. I came back and I walked

17:31

back and I said, I would like to apologize

17:34

to everyone. My mom bless her. I

17:36

take it out on her. She's my punching

17:38

bag. Anyway, so that is poor Angie. So that

17:41

is how I'm now tracking it and approaching

17:43

my health. So if anyone's listening to this

17:45

and you are on a

17:47

hormone and birth control or you're considering it,

17:50

I think it's really about working back with your

17:52

body, your doctors and finding out something that works

17:54

for you. Do you know, I've had people in

17:56

my life, whether they've been like boyfriends or friends,

17:58

whatever they're like, you know, two. much about your

18:00

body. Yeah, that's what they were saying to me. Like I

18:02

actually told I know too much. Like so many people start

18:04

with like, I wish I knew more about my body, which

18:06

doesn't touch sometimes. I think, I wish I could just like.

18:09

Yeah, I wish I could get a belly ache and not

18:11

spiral into why. Or like, I got this

18:13

one little bit of like, not

18:15

really a pimple, but something on my nose and I'm trying

18:17

to backtrack on what I ate that flared it up or

18:19

what makeup product someone used on me and I wonder if

18:21

they sterilized the brushes enough. That's

18:23

me. That's us. That's

18:25

just us. That's us. Katie,

18:29

you're a sweat trainer, but also

18:31

a marathon runner. In fact, you

18:33

ran your first marathon last year

18:36

and you finished in under four

18:38

hours. Correct. Yeah, okay. So

18:40

that's insane. What's it like running a marathon and

18:42

training for that for the first time? I

18:45

think it was really exciting in the

18:47

sense that I probably enjoyed the training

18:50

part more than the run itself because

18:52

running a marathon, the reason why I decided to

18:55

do it was because it was something that I

18:57

had never done before and without the training, I

18:59

physically wouldn't have been able to do it. It

19:01

wasn't, oh, it's a 10K, I can maybe just

19:03

suck up the pain and go a bit more

19:05

slowly and you'll be fine. The marathon's 42.2 kilometers.

19:08

It's a long way. A long way. It's a

19:10

long way. So challenging

19:12

myself to do something that I physically knew

19:15

at the time when I signed up to

19:17

do it, I could not do, was a

19:19

bit daunting. But then committing to

19:21

my training, having a very clear goal in

19:23

mind and knowing that every session I had

19:25

to show up and do because the other

19:27

side of that was, you may not finish

19:29

this. Yeah. Which

19:31

is totally fine for some people. If you don't finish it, you don't

19:33

finish it, whatever. But for me, I was like, I want to finish

19:35

this. And so training in

19:37

each Saturday were my long run days and

19:40

I'd run a little bit further. And so each Saturday,

19:42

I was so proud of myself because I was like,

19:44

oh my God, I've just run 17K. Oh

19:47

my God, I've just done a half marathon this morning. And

19:50

then I got to the point where I was

19:52

like running 28Ks each Saturday morning. I loved it

19:54

because my body got to the point where it

19:56

was fit enough to do it and you just

19:58

get into this full flow state. Do you know

20:00

what? interesting listening to you. One, you say the

20:02

opposite to what everyone says. So they say like,

20:04

I love the marathon, I finished and I, you're

20:06

like, I love the training for it, which is

20:08

cool. But you have a story which I would

20:10

love if you told because I know this story,

20:12

I know bits of this story, but you had

20:14

an instant where you weren't able to do anything

20:16

at all. And this is going to be very

20:18

relatable to a lot of people listening. So what

20:20

happened to cause you to not be

20:23

able to do anything at all? Yeah. So when I was 18,

20:25

almost 19, I was on a horse that I shouldn't

20:29

have been on. And I really wanted to ride it.

20:31

I was at a friend's farm and I was just

20:33

adamant about riding this horse. And it was an X-ray

20:35

horse and I got on the back of it. The

20:38

saddle wasn't done up properly. I didn't have a helmet on

20:40

the steer up to the wrong length. And I basically

20:42

had no control over this horse. And the horse

20:44

was super diligent and it did what it was

20:47

trained to do. And that was to race. So

20:49

it took off. And I'm not,

20:51

I don't get afraid easily. Like I've grown up with

20:53

three older brothers. I'm very, throw me in the deep

20:55

end. I'll do anything kind of

20:57

thing. But I at one point thought, this

21:00

is not good. This is not good. So

21:02

you're on a horse and it's going what?

21:04

Full pace. Like full pace. I've got five

21:06

people watching me because they're on

21:09

this massive farm and this paddock that the horse was

21:11

in bordered with their fence. And I'm doing

21:14

this. And in the faster I went,

21:16

the less control I had over my legs because it

21:18

steer up to the wrong length and I kept hitting

21:20

the horse. The horse would go faster. So it was

21:22

just doing what I was telling it to do. It

21:24

wasn't the horse's fault. It was fully my fault. And

21:26

then I heard them yell out,

21:28

pull back, like stop, stop, stop. They were screaming at me.

21:31

So I pulled back on the reins. Again, the horse did

21:33

immediately what it was supposed to do. It stopped deadbolt

21:35

in its tracks. And because the saddle wasn't

21:37

done it properly, the horse threw

21:39

its head up and then threw its head down

21:41

and the saddle went over the top and I

21:43

went flying over the top. And I just remember

21:45

thinking it actually happened

21:47

so slowly in my mind. Doran, put your hand

21:50

out because you'll break your wrist. Like Doran, put

21:52

your hand out. So I semi

21:54

rolled, but what took the mass of the

21:56

impact was the top side of my right

21:58

pelvis. And that hit it. And then

22:00

I went into a fetal position because I thought the horse

22:02

was going to come over the top of me and it

22:04

didn't. And I was just sitting there in a ball, covered

22:07

in a horse poo. Like just, it's

22:09

your worst nightmare. I was just covered

22:11

in dirt, in mud, and it was

22:13

foul. And then I remember

22:15

lying there thinking, okay, you're still having thoughts.

22:18

You're not dead. Like that was honestly my

22:20

thought. Then I thought my mom was going

22:22

to kill me because I didn't

22:24

have a helmet on. And I'm lying there and I was like, I'm 18.

22:26

I've just had a horrific accident. I'm done. Could

22:29

move my fingers, move my toes. Was like, okay, I'm

22:31

all right. Could move my neck a bit. Took it

22:33

slowly, rolled over onto my hands and knees, took a

22:35

breath. It was like, wow, I'm just really winded. And

22:37

then I started laughing. And you know me. Yeah, both

22:39

of us. I laugh when

22:41

anyone's hurt, including myself. It's

22:44

a really bad trait. And I

22:46

started laughing. I thought, okay, you're all right. Like

22:48

you're laughing. You're just in shock. Yep. Whatever. Stood

22:50

up on my foot to stand up and then

22:52

the pain hit me. And I fell straight over.

22:55

It was the most incredible pain. So long

22:57

story cut short, I was okay. I didn't

23:00

get any treatment for maybe nine months because I just thought

23:02

I had a jarred back and I was very lucky. And

23:04

then nine months on, and I think this is where a

23:07

lot of people relate, was I just didn't feel like something

23:09

was right. I'd take one step forward

23:11

with my training two steps back. Some days felt

23:13

good. The other days, I was incapable of moving.

23:15

Everything hurt. And also working as a PT, I

23:17

was on my feet all day moving weights. So

23:20

I went and got a second opinion from another physio

23:22

and immediately got scans and I'd compressed four discs in

23:24

my back and had done a lot of damage to

23:26

my pelvis. So that was 2019 that

23:29

I actually got a proper diagnosis. It's now 2024 and

23:31

I still have to get treatment on my back.

23:34

I still get injections. But a few years later,

23:36

I was doing some deadlifts. Felt really

23:38

great. Finished the session with actually thought that

23:41

was good. Like that was solid. And

23:43

then two days later was at the physio and not

23:46

able to touch my toes. Couldn't dry my legs. Spent

23:48

two weeks in bed. They told me I was going

23:50

to need surgery because one of the discs that I'd

23:52

compressed started bulging out onto a nerve. But

23:55

to come full circle on this, I was told

23:57

I would never run again. Like running was not

23:59

to be main form of fitness. It

24:01

was only to be used in case of

24:04

emergency if I needed to move quickly, but

24:06

rely on my strength training, Pilates, walking would

24:08

be his best friend, but running's just not

24:10

good for your back. It's not good for

24:12

your pelvis. For years, I

24:14

believed that. I'm not saying disregard what

24:16

professionals tell you, but I

24:19

really worked at it. I did years and

24:21

years of strength training and rehab, and listening

24:23

to my physios, and bit by bit, I

24:25

gradually started to run. I had never had

24:27

any intention of running a marathon when I

24:29

started running. I openly said to

24:31

people, anyone that runs over 10K is an idiot.

24:34

Absolutely. What is the point?

24:37

Just no good, waste of time, whatever. Here

24:39

I am fully addicted to long distance running now. It

24:43

goes to show you can work

24:45

through injuries. Definitely listen to

24:47

the professionals and take that advice. I'm not saying

24:49

disregard that, but like I say,

24:51

I still now have

24:53

issues with it, but I know how to

24:55

manage it. I know when to stop. I know

24:57

when to rest, and now it makes me

25:00

really prioritize my recovery. Do you think that,

25:02

yes, it's physical, and yes, you have to

25:04

go see rehab and therapist, and you have

25:06

to do stretches, but do you think it's

25:08

also a big mental game as well? How

25:10

did you mentally prepare to go, okay, well,

25:12

someone taught me not to run. I've got

25:14

a massive injury. I'm going to now run

25:17

a marathon, not just like a normal run. You

25:19

want to run a marathon. How did you mentally

25:22

prepare for that? It happened

25:24

over years, and it definitely wasn't linear. I'll

25:26

come out and say that, like no progress,

25:28

I think, with training, with strength gains, with

25:31

weight loss, with injury, recovery, none of it's

25:33

linear. It's super up and down, but

25:35

it really challenged me to try and find

25:37

other outlets of ways to make me happy

25:40

or give me that feeling of doing a

25:42

great workout does. For years, I

25:44

got into walking, and I was never a walker. I

25:46

never enjoyed that, but I found after a while, because

25:48

it didn't leave me in pain, actually was when my

25:50

back was bad, the best form of pain relief to

25:53

get my glutes engaged and good to go for a

25:55

walk felt really good. It was hard

25:57

to find ways to get that same sort of

25:59

feeling. and it's going to be different

26:01

for everyone. But I never

26:03

set this expectation that you

26:06

will run again and you will have to run again and

26:08

you will run a marathon just to prove people wrong. I

26:11

just chipped away at each day being a

26:13

little bit stronger in the gym, being able

26:15

to lift a slightly heavier weight that didn't

26:17

hurt my back. I programmed it

26:20

for years and years on end that each week

26:22

or month I was just that little tiny bit

26:24

better. Not a lot better, but

26:26

just a little bit. Through proper strength

26:28

training, all of my recovery to strength

26:30

training and being able to support my

26:33

hips and my back, I

26:35

was then able to chip away at bigger

26:37

goals in a bigger way as

26:40

my back got better and better and I moved

26:42

away from that injury. Did you ever feel... Because

26:44

I think people are listening to this, whether you're

26:46

postpartum or you've had an injury or you're being

26:48

really, really sick, you have the bit of trauma

26:51

when you come back to exercise. You're either really

26:53

super unmotivated, you're like, oh, I don't want to

26:55

do X again because when I did

26:57

X it hurt this. Did you have

26:59

that traumatic experience every single time? Every

27:02

time I would step into the

27:04

gym, I would be so

27:08

hyper aware. Even I think to the point where

27:10

you make it up in your mind that something

27:12

hurts. I'd be like, I'd do a single squat and

27:14

then I'd put the weight down the end of my

27:16

set and the next day

27:18

I'd be a bit sore. I'd put the weight down a

27:20

bit funny and I'd just sit there and I'd start crying

27:22

being like, oh my God, I've hurt my back again. I've

27:24

done it to myself. Now you're just going to go all

27:26

the way back to the beginning and you spend two weeks

27:29

in bed and you're probably going to have to get the

27:31

surgery that you've been trying to avoid and blah, blah, blah.

27:33

I was so hyper aware. How

27:35

do you work past that? I worked with a

27:37

trainer. I figured that I had twinged

27:40

my back more often moving weights

27:42

for myself or for my clients to

27:44

do an exercise than doing

27:46

the exercise itself. Because once I was set up and

27:48

I have great form and I know my form, I

27:51

was able to move safely. It wasn't the

27:53

exercise itself. It was in between motions of

27:55

picking a plate up off the ground. It

27:57

was, okay, can we just discuss? This

27:59

is my every day I walk into you my still

28:01

train clients every morning as you know You

28:04

have the pyramid of dumbbells don't I

28:06

know what I know you're gonna say

28:08

why I attended Makes

28:11

no sense put the tens at the top and

28:13

the ones at the bottom 100% Oh I

28:17

think we have a Aesthetically,

28:19

I understand business idea never

28:21

like just move the way I

28:25

see like small to large but it really should be

28:27

10 9 8 7 all the way down to 1

28:33

Even when you have like the two

28:35

rows of dumbbells like the heavy rows.

28:37

Oh, yeah, there's still lower I get

28:39

it That is

28:41

where I've hurt my back or twinged it or maybe

28:44

set myself back a week or so or just kind

28:46

of pulled something in With my back. I mean you

28:48

had the same thing. Absolutely. I did I thought I

28:50

wrecked my back and it's just cuz I moved weights

28:52

wrong and I twinged my hip flexor Yeah So I

28:55

found that if you do an exercise a certain way

28:57

without a mirror or even with the mirror sometimes you

28:59

feel like that's How it should be done but to

29:01

have someone else be like no drive your knee out

29:03

a bit more keep your chest up a bit More

29:05

I needed what I was to other people But I

29:08

need someone to do it for me because my injury

29:10

I held my body slightly differently I would compensate in

29:12

different ways because I was afraid and I think Subconsciously

29:15

afraid like consciously. I was like no I've had

29:17

the clearance. I'm good to go I imagine

29:20

how it kind of feels like postpartum, but

29:22

then subconsciously your body's like Freaking out and

29:24

I also then at that point didn't enjoy

29:26

going to the gym because I was scared

29:28

that it was Going to hurt

29:30

me So I worked with a trainer to not only

29:32

watch my form but to move the weights around for

29:34

me And I've also learned to say

29:37

to my clients some days nine times out of ten

29:39

I'm fine, but some days I'm just not fine and

29:41

I said to them. Hey guys, I can't touch the

29:43

weights today Yeah, and they couldn't care

29:45

less. Oh, yeah, they don't even think

29:47

about it twice. Cool. I love that So it's a

29:49

nice journey because you're people listen to

29:52

this will see you and they're like Katie So

29:54

if he did she goes to the gym She

29:56

does all these different type of training from Pilates

29:58

to strength marathon running and to know that you

30:00

have when you you're 18 years old, so young

30:02

to have had that massive injury to then mentally

30:05

be traumatized from it and still come back and

30:07

do strength training and still come back and do

30:09

Pilates and still come back and do your running

30:11

training. Well done.

30:16

So we know that hormonal birth

30:18

control can play havoc on your brain and

30:20

your mental health, but it also plays havoc

30:23

with your gut. And

30:25

you already, I feel like, no offense, but

30:27

like you already didn't have like the greatest

30:29

start with like gut health being allergic to

30:31

what is it, gluten and dairy. Did

30:34

you find that it affected your gut health?

30:36

It allowed me to be

30:38

at a place where I wasn't getting my period

30:40

and I could get my iron levels up to

30:42

a point where then I could self-manage

30:45

it. So at the beginning, the

30:47

IUD was incredible for that, but

30:50

now coming off it, I think it's better

30:52

again. Yeah. What is

30:54

your gut health like by the way right now?

30:56

It's so much better. Like I'd say my gut

30:59

health is probably the best it's ever been since

31:01

I can recall having gut health issues since probably

31:03

like 12. So

31:06

what was your first experience with gut

31:08

health issues? So I had

31:10

chronic fatigue at the end of grade 11

31:12

and my body like shut down. I started

31:14

getting random anaphylactic reactions where I'd stop breathing,

31:17

throat would close over. I've never told you

31:19

this, but I've the most hilarious photos. Funny now.

31:22

My face would pop up like full as if I'd had a

31:24

peanut with a peanut allergy. I've

31:26

got race to hospital multiple times, EpiPen into

31:28

my leg, like random, but through having all

31:30

the hits of adrenaline and they also couldn't

31:33

tell me what I was having reactions to

31:35

this specialist said that I could have up

31:37

to eight tell fast a day. Whoa.

31:40

Yeah. A tell fast is

31:42

an antihistamine. It's dehydrating is the thing

31:45

that we need to remember here. It's dehydrating and you're only

31:47

usually meant to have one for two days at a time

31:49

and then you kind of stop. And

31:52

this specialist said I could have up to eight tell

31:54

fast a day with no side effects and that would

31:56

stop me because it would always start off as an

31:58

itchy throat. as important is because I was

32:01

petrified. My mum said to me when we walked out of the

32:03

appointment, do not take those tail fast. But

32:05

I was scared. I was walking around with the EpiPens being

32:07

like, hit me at any time because I don't know what's

32:09

setting me off. I did all the testings. I

32:12

started taking eight tail fast a day. It dehydrated

32:14

my body and it ruined

32:17

my gut. When I say

32:19

ruined, I mean like rushed in for emergency

32:21

colonoscopies. Didn't do term four of grade 11.

32:23

My health was so bad. And

32:26

over years, I started like on low fiber

32:28

diets trying to reintroduce things, but like my

32:30

gut was ruined. But it did gradually get

32:32

better. Like the longer, I stopped taking those

32:34

tail fast off like a week and

32:36

it gradually got better. But I

32:39

would have this chronic bloating to certain

32:41

things and they'd be healthy. They'd be

32:43

apples. They'd be watermelon. They'd be things

32:45

that you're good for you.

32:47

Right. And I would eat these

32:49

things and be so bloated. And

32:52

when I say not like, oh, like I'm a

32:54

little bit good and you've seen it, like it

32:56

is, you can see my abs over the top

32:58

of it. Like it's rock hard. It hurts. It's

33:01

not a core thing. It's like a

33:03

whole gut thing. Also coupled with low

33:05

iron. And that is why I ended up with low

33:07

iron because it ruined my gut health and

33:09

I wasn't able to actually absorb the nutrients

33:12

from my food. So I then very quickly

33:14

became quite nutrient deficient across a whole range

33:16

of things, including my iron. And

33:18

I kind of just like put up with

33:21

it and was like, oh, well, I've got

33:23

IBS. Like a lot of people have IBS

33:25

just is what it is. I used to

33:27

cry about it. Didn't know what to do.

33:29

Felt really helpless. And then I started working

33:31

with a gut health nutritionist and did a

33:33

lot of gut healing. I now drink and

33:35

still do bone broth every day. I found

33:37

that was like my golden

33:40

thing. It's so good. It just tastes like

33:42

a cup of minestrone soup. Yeah, beautiful. Yeah.

33:44

It's widely used in a lot of cultures

33:46

as like the base of things. Anyway, we

33:48

can get into it on another day, but

33:51

bone broth is amazing. And I started working

33:53

with this nutritionist and over time figured out

33:55

that I also had quite a sensitivity to

33:57

fructose, which is a naturally occurring sugar in

34:00

in carbohydrates, meaning fruit and

34:02

vegetables. So just because

34:04

I have this issue doesn't mean everyone does.

34:06

Fuc-dose is very prevalent in a lot of

34:08

fruits and vegetables that are very good for

34:10

you. So it's not like, oh, I'm just

34:12

avoiding foods that aren't good for me. It's

34:15

broccoli, it's apples, it's stone fruit. It's pretty

34:17

much all the best fruits to be real.

34:20

And I found that if I just

34:22

watch how much fuc-dose I consume, I do feel

34:24

a lot better. And that sets my gut

34:26

off more than anything else. So I did the

34:29

whole low fiber thing. I reintroduced

34:31

foods. I found my trigger foods. I found out

34:33

how much of each of those trigger foods I

34:35

could tolerate at a time. But when did you

34:37

find out you were allergic to gluten and dairy?

34:40

So when I had that emergency colonoscopy, when I

34:42

had taken all the TEL-fast and was really sick,

34:45

in that coloscopy, they discovered that I had

34:47

a very low, low, low, almost borderline no

34:49

count of what they call lactase enzyme. And

34:51

that's the enzyme that breaks down the lactose

34:54

in dairy. So my body- You

34:56

can buy that, by the way, that enzyme

34:58

from the chemist if you're struggling. Yeah, but

35:00

my specialist said to me, you

35:03

have such a small amount. And the amount

35:05

that he said I could tolerate of dairy

35:07

was a quarter of a

35:09

teaspoon of dairy a day. And because

35:11

I was in such a bad place

35:13

with my health, I was just like,

35:15

I'm not touching anything that could potentially

35:17

make me not feel well, because I

35:19

was so scared of having an anaphylactic

35:21

reaction, going back into hospital. It

35:24

was so dire that I just thought, OK, I'm going to

35:26

take everything my doctors say and run with it. And

35:29

I haven't eaten dairy since I was 16.

35:32

It's a slow burn sort of thing to me

35:34

that over time, it does damage to my body. So if

35:36

I have it by accident in

35:38

a restaurant, it's not the end

35:41

of the world. One bad workout. And then

35:43

I was always on and off gluten as

35:46

a kid. My mom was amazing like this. She

35:48

was very aware of what she fed us. And

35:51

she found when she fed me a lot of gluten,

35:53

I would always get really bad ear infections, weirdly

35:55

enough. And I'd always have more of a bloated

35:57

stomach, like more of a distended stomach. When

36:01

I didn't eat gluten, I had more

36:03

energy, I didn't have any ear infections, my stomach

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wasn't distended. I've recently

36:08

found out I carry a celiac gene and that was

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enough for me to be like, I'm

36:13

good. The gene I will purpose

36:15

by saying I know that the gene

36:17

doesn't mean that you currently have an

36:19

active celiac situation going on and

36:22

you do need a colonoscopy for that. A

36:24

lot of people in my family are confirmed celiacs.

36:27

Having the gene for me was enough knowing that it just makes

36:29

me feel more lethargic and more tired. It

36:31

was just enough to be like, okay. It's

36:33

just so interesting listening to your whole journey from

36:35

when you're a kid to first

36:38

initially having what was essentially a food

36:40

allergy to then that turning into affecting

36:42

your gut health, to then lowering your

36:44

iron, to then then telling you to

36:46

go onto a birth control pill, which

36:49

then lowered your and

36:51

screwed with your hormones to then get off

36:54

that and then you're 25 from

36:56

doing this from when you're 12 and you're finally

36:58

now like, I feel happy now. Yeah.

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I'm going to tell you the answer. Yeah. Keep

37:03

it simple. I thought you were going to say

37:05

bone broth. Well, no, but bone broth, but like

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if I could give anyone some advice, even if

37:09

you feel like you're not that in tune with

37:11

your body, you still will

37:13

know, you know if something's not right. So

37:16

listen to that. I

37:22

would like to finish the episode with

37:24

a few rapid fire questions. How

37:26

do you celebrate your small wins? With my

37:28

family. That's cute. What is

37:31

the biggest health and fitness myth that you've ever

37:33

fallen for? Cardio over strength.

37:35

Good. What's one health tool

37:37

you can't live without? My bone broth. What

37:40

is your why for exercising? To give

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back to my body every single day.

37:44

I need to look after it

37:46

and say thank you by moving it. I

37:49

love that. And I thank you so much for

37:51

sharing your time, but also your thoughts and knowledge

37:53

because I learned a lot about you today, even

37:55

though you're one of my best friends. Thank you

37:57

for having me. It's so fun. And

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