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Good evening. It's Monday March 24th.

1:15

Welcome to a new episode of

1:17

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1:23

here on rumble the free speech

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alternative to YouTube tonight Trump

1:27

national security officials planned

1:30

the granular details of the

1:32

US bombing campaign of Yemen not

1:34

on official classified channels, but rather

1:37

on the popular messaging app signal

1:39

Before they began planning that bombing

1:41

attack on that platform national security

1:43

advisor Mike Waltz for some reason

1:46

added to their group one of the most

1:48

journalists most responsible for most of the

1:50

most frauds of the last 20 years

1:52

as well as some of the most

1:54

baseless attacks on Donald Trump himself the

1:56

editor in chief of the Atlantic and former

1:59

IDF prison guard Jeffrey Goldberg and

2:01

he added him to that group

2:03

that planning group of a sensitive

2:05

top-secret attack all without any communications

2:08

with Goldberg about why he was

2:10

being added to that top-secret planning

2:12

group and apparently with no knowledge

2:14

that he had been Goldberg stayed

2:17

quiet as he followed the group

2:19

mostly he says because he did

2:21

not really believe it was a

2:23

real chat why would you believe

2:25

that somebody just arbitrarily added to

2:28

a chat planning a US attack

2:30

on a foreign country in granular

2:32

detail at the top secret level.

2:34

He discovered that it was in

2:37

fact real only when public reports

2:39

of the US bombing campaign on

2:41

Yemen demonstrated that those bombings happened

2:43

at exactly the time and in

2:45

exactly the places that Trump's top

2:48

officials planned in that group that

2:50

they would be. Goldberg today wrote

2:52

about all this in the Atlantic

2:54

and published most though not all

2:57

of the chats. Many are focusing

2:59

on the obvious national security breach

3:01

and recklessness, involved in adding an

3:03

anti- Trump Atlantic editor to a

3:05

highly sensitive chat that could put

3:08

American service members at risk. There

3:10

was actually a debate in that

3:12

group over whether the U.S. should

3:14

bomb Yemen at all, with Vice

3:17

President J.D. Vance, more or less

3:19

alone, arguing it was a quote,

3:21

what he called mistake. a view

3:23

that was quickly rejected and overwhelmed

3:25

by those eager to start bombing.

3:28

But look at what we know

3:30

from these chats to gain insight

3:32

into the foreign policy ideology and

3:34

mindset dominating trumps thus far quite

3:37

militaristic foreign policy. Then... After a

3:39

federal district court judge ordered the

3:41

Trump administration to cease supporting Venezuela

3:43

and other foreign nationals to a

3:45

notorious prison in El Salvador, at

3:48

least without first providing them some

3:50

due process for the accused to

3:52

contest or disprove the accusations against

3:54

them, the Trump Justice Department appealed

3:57

that injunction to the DC Circuit

3:59

Court of Appeals, generally considered the

4:01

highest appeals court right below the

4:03

Supreme Court. But if the oral

4:05

argument held this afternoon, the appellate

4:08

judges on that court were openly

4:10

hostile, aggressively hostile at times, to

4:12

most, if not all, of the

4:14

Trump's lawyers' reasons as to why

4:17

no due process is required before

4:19

shipping somebody off to a foreign

4:21

land to spend the rest of

4:23

their lives in prison, we'll report

4:25

on that hearing and the broader

4:28

legal and constitutional issues I

4:30

would have said yesterday that Israel

4:32

has committed seemingly every atrocity and

4:34

war crime in Gaza that would

4:36

be possible over the last 15

4:39

months all paid for by the

4:41

American taxpayer and armed by the

4:43

U.S. government. But over the past

4:45

24 hours they somehow outdid themselves

4:47

and reached new lows. First, Israel

4:49

targeted... and then slaughtered two young

4:51

Palestinian journalists who have been among

4:53

the most effective in showing the

4:55

world the realities of Gaza over

4:58

the last 15 months, reporting they

5:00

continue to do quite bravely despite

5:02

an endless stream of death threats

5:04

from the IDF, meaning they would

5:06

be killed if they continued to

5:08

speak out. Then perhaps even more

5:10

shockingly, the producer of the documentary

5:12

on Israel and Palestine that just

5:14

won an Oscar at last month's

5:16

Academy Award Ceremony. was attacked and

5:19

almost fatally lynched by Israeli settlers,

5:21

not in Gaza, but in the

5:23

West Bank, settlements that the entire

5:25

world considers to be illegal, and

5:27

the settlers illegally occupying that land.

5:29

And as the ambulance sped to

5:31

a hospital to try and save

5:33

this Oscar-winning filmmaker's life, the IDF

5:35

dragged him from the ambulance and

5:37

then arrested him. Not the settlers

5:40

who beat him nearly to death,

5:42

but to the Oscar running filmmaker

5:44

who had just been near fatally

5:46

beaten There are simply no limits

5:48

or standards of law and morality

5:50

the Israeli government recognizes at this

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welcome to a new episode of

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System Update starting right now. A

8:01

major reason I found myself interested

8:03

in and even seeing potential in

8:05

the Trump movement as it has

8:07

evolved over the last eight years

8:09

is that they had adopted and

8:11

begun to advocate a foreign policy

8:14

that they were describing as both

8:16

anti-war and anti-intervention and including critiques

8:18

that the United States has involved

8:20

itself in far too many words,

8:22

especially in the Middle East, including

8:24

ones where our direct interest and

8:26

security... were not really at stake.

8:28

Donald Trump provided himself on the

8:31

actual fact that he did not

8:33

involve the U.S. in any new

8:35

words in his first term and

8:37

said he was determined to continue

8:39

that in his second term that

8:41

he wanted to be remembered by

8:43

history as a peacemaker, not somebody

8:46

who started words, but by someone

8:48

who ended them, talked often about

8:50

ending the war. Patted himself on

8:52

the back quite a bit for

8:54

the ceasefire deal that he engineered

8:56

before he was inaugurated in Gaza

8:58

And yet over the past two

9:01

months since Trump has been inaugurated

9:03

We have seen a very bellicose

9:05

very militaristic and at times war

9:07

creating Foreign policy. They're definitely trying

9:09

to stop the war in Ukraine

9:11

and Russia I just believe they

9:13

have a lot deserve a lot

9:16

of credit for that I've given

9:18

them a lot of credit for

9:20

that But at the same time

9:22

they not only stood by and

9:24

gave the green light but encouraged

9:26

Israel to restart the destruction of

9:28

Gaza, even though there's very little

9:31

left in Gaza to destroy. In

9:33

other words, they unraveled their own

9:35

ceasefire deal that they themselves negotiated

9:37

and facilitated by demanding that Hamas

9:39

and the Gazans abandon it and

9:41

release all hostages immediately instead of

9:43

in accordance with the schedule set

9:45

out in that ceasefire. And even

9:48

the most pro-Israel. voices in the

9:50

US and in Israel have acknowledged

9:52

that Nenya who told his right

9:54

wing Cabinet members from the beginning

9:56

don't worry about this ceasefire. We're

9:58

only going to the first stage,

10:00

once we get some hostages back,

10:03

we're going to resume the war

10:05

and we're going to get rid

10:07

of the Gazans out of Gaza

10:09

entirely. And that's exactly what he

10:11

set out to do and is

10:13

now doing. And then of course

10:15

you have the Trump administrations, you

10:18

really could call it a new

10:20

war because it stopped finally under

10:22

Biden once he was on his

10:24

way out during the transition, which

10:26

was the bombing campaign that Biden

10:28

carried out throughout all of 2024

10:30

constantly dropping weapons and bombs. on

10:33

the Houthis in Yemen, often doing

10:35

so every day. Trump criticized Joe

10:37

Biden for it, saying there's no

10:39

need to drop bombs on Yemen.

10:41

And yet, late early this month,

10:43

the Trump administration announced very proudly,

10:45

very publicly, that they were not

10:47

only bombing Yemen, but doing so

10:50

in a very aggressive way, that

10:52

they would be not one or

10:54

two-time bombing campaign, but a sustained

10:56

campaign. And that's now what they're

10:58

doing. They're carrying out massive bombing

11:00

campaigns. All throughout Yemen, killing many

11:02

civilians targeting hoofies and the like,

11:05

exactly the policy that Biden carried

11:07

out for the same exact reasons

11:09

with the same exact rationale. Otherwise,

11:11

we've gone over before and we've

11:13

read you the accounts. At least

11:15

Biden had the excuse when he

11:17

was doing it, when Trump was

11:20

criticizing him and when Biden was

11:22

doing it, that the hoofies were

11:24

attacking American ships in the Red

11:26

Sea and elsewhere. Once there was

11:28

a ceasefire deal... And Israel was

11:30

no longer bombing Gaza. The Houthi

11:32

stopped their attacks. They said they

11:35

would and they did. And it

11:37

was only once the Israelis blockaded

11:39

humanitarian aid from entering Gaza as

11:41

the agreement called for did they

11:43

say, we're going to attack Israeli

11:45

ships, Israel flag ships only, until

11:47

they allow the humanitarian aid into

11:50

Gaza as required by that agreement.

11:52

So they weren't even attacking American

11:54

ships at the time this bombing

11:56

campaign was initiated. So

11:58

I agreed with Trump. criticism of

12:00

Biden, but at least Trump, at

12:03

least Biden actually had an argument

12:05

pertaining to the United States, whereas

12:07

Trump doesn't. Earlier today, the longtime

12:09

editor-in-chief of the Atlantic, which has

12:12

been one of the most anti-

12:14

trump magazines in the country, it

12:16

was ground zero for some of

12:19

the most arranged Russia gate, hysteria,

12:21

it was Jeffrey Goldberg who... during

12:23

the 2020 election claimed anonymously that

12:25

Trump had disparage the soldiers who

12:28

died fighting as losers and suckers

12:30

and then in this election he

12:32

was the one who kept quoting

12:35

General Millie and others claiming and

12:37

General Kelly claiming that Trump had

12:39

said he admired Hitler and was

12:41

a fascist. What are the most?

12:44

It's unscrupulous? operatives in DC over

12:46

the last 20 to 25 years,

12:48

as well as one of the

12:51

most vociferously anti- trump ones. He

12:53

read an article earlier today in

12:55

the Atlantic, which by the way

12:57

is owned by the billionaire Aris,

13:00

Laureen Powell Jobs, the widow of

13:02

Steve Jobs, who inherited his billions.

13:04

She became a major donor to

13:07

Joe Biden and Kamla Harris, and

13:09

she runs this magazine, where he

13:11

works. And here you see the

13:13

headline of his article, The Trump

13:16

administration accidentally texted me its war

13:18

plans. And here's what he writes,

13:20

quote, the world found out shortly

13:23

before 2 p.m. Eastern time on

13:25

March 15th of the United States

13:27

is bombing Huthi targets across Yemen.

13:29

I, however, knew two hours before

13:32

the first bombs exploded that the

13:34

attacks might be coming. The reason

13:36

I knew this is that Pete

13:39

Heggsett, the Secretary of Defense, had

13:41

texted me the war plan at

13:43

1144 at 11. The plan included

13:45

precise information about weapons packages targets

13:48

and timing. This is going to

13:50

require some explaining on Tuesday March

13:52

11th I received a connection request

13:55

on the signal from a user

13:57

identified as Michael Waltz, the name

13:59

of the Trump National Security Advisor.

14:01

I accepted the connection request, hoping

14:04

that this was the actual National

14:06

Security Advisor and that he wanted

14:08

to chat about Ukraine or Iran

14:11

or something, some other important matter.

14:13

Two days later, Thursday at 4.28

14:15

p.m. I received a notice that

14:17

I was to be included in

14:20

a signal chat group. It was

14:22

called the quote, Huthi PC Small

14:24

Group. A message to the group

14:27

from Michael Waltz read as followed,

14:29

Team. Estabishing a principles group for

14:31

coordination on huthies, particularly for over

14:33

the next 72 hours, my deputy

14:36

Alex Wong is pulling together a

14:38

tiger team at deputies and agency

14:40

chief of staff level following up

14:43

from the meeting in the sit

14:45

room, the situation room this morning

14:47

for action items and we'll be

14:49

sending out that later this evening.

14:52

The term Principles Committee generally refers

14:54

to a group of the senior

14:56

most national security officials, including the

14:59

secretaries of defense, state, and the

15:01

treasury, as well as the director

15:03

of the CIA. It should go

15:05

without saying, but I'll say it

15:08

anyway, that I have never been

15:10

invited to a White House Principles

15:12

committee meeting, and that in my

15:15

years of reporting on national security

15:17

matters, I had never heard of

15:19

one being convened over a commercial

15:21

messaging app. The principles had apparently

15:24

assembled, and all 18 individuals were

15:26

listed as members of this group.

15:28

I appeared on my own screen

15:31

as JG. At 8.05 a.m. on

15:33

Friday, March 14th, Michael Waltz stacked

15:35

of the group, quote, team, you

15:37

should have a statement of conclusions

15:40

with taskings per the president's guidance

15:42

this morning in your high side

15:44

inboxes, high side in government parlance,

15:47

refers to classified computer and communication

15:49

systems. Now, this is shocking, shocking,

15:51

that it's not just. one of

15:53

a standard classified conversations all conversations

15:56

in Washington are classified. This is

15:58

as sensitive as it gets. They

16:00

are talking. here about a surprise

16:03

attack on a country that the

16:05

United States was not bombing, and

16:07

they were talking about the most

16:09

precise detailed operational aspects of this

16:12

bombing campaign, where they were going

16:14

to bomb, exactly what time they

16:16

were going to start bombing, which

16:19

military weapons they were going to

16:21

use to bomb, obviously anybody who

16:23

gets this information and leaked it

16:25

could sabotage the attack or put...

16:28

Service members who are carrying it

16:30

out in obvious danger, if the

16:32

Houthi's know exactly where planes are

16:35

coming, and what targets they're going

16:37

to use, they can do all

16:39

sorts of things to sabotage it.

16:41

To put Jeffrey Goldberg into a

16:44

top-secret meeting, even though he has

16:46

no secure top-secret security clearance, seemingly

16:48

by mistake, but who knows? That

16:51

is incompetence on a security breach

16:53

of the most extreme kind you

16:55

can imagine. But

16:58

that's something for other people to

17:00

worry about. I'm not particularly concerned

17:02

with national security breaches like that

17:04

I think way too much is

17:07

classified although even I Generally on

17:09

the far end of absolutism when

17:11

it comes to state and government

17:13

transparency recognized and I've always said

17:15

That of course there are some

17:18

things that ought to be secret

17:20

some things that ought to be

17:22

hidden And one of those is

17:24

true movements this would be like

17:26

if you plan D-day and you

17:29

accidentally included Nazi sympathizing or communist,

17:31

sympathizing or anti-American journalists in your

17:33

planning meeting, and they learned the

17:35

details in advance of the invasion

17:37

of Normandy. I mean, it's on

17:40

that level of breach, but I'll

17:42

let others worry about that all

17:44

of Washington is a flutter. about

17:46

that sort of thing. They pretend

17:48

to love classified information and its

17:51

sanctity when it suits them, although

17:53

they lead classified information all the

17:55

time. when they proceed that suits

17:57

them as well. What I'm more

17:59

interested in is the debate that

18:02

ensued, the conversation about the bombing

18:04

attack, and who said what to

18:06

get a glimpse into the mindset

18:08

of Trump's national security team. So

18:10

here's what Goldblower wrote. Quote, at

18:13

this point, a fascinating policy discussion

18:15

commenced. The account labeled JD Vance

18:17

responded at 816, quote, team, I

18:19

am out for the day doing

18:21

an economic event in Michigan, but

18:24

I think we are making a

18:26

mistake. And then for instance, Goldberg

18:28

says fans was indeed a Michigan

18:30

that day. The Vance account goes

18:32

on to state, quote, 3% of

18:35

US trade runs through the Suez.

18:37

40% of European trade does. There's

18:39

a real risk that the public

18:41

doesn't understand this or why it's

18:43

necessary. The strongest reason to do

18:46

so is, as Pote has said,

18:48

to send a message. Now, on

18:50

the one hand, this is not

18:52

a very vehement objection. He wasn't

18:54

bounding the table and saying this

18:57

is wrong and we cannot do

18:59

this. But you have to remember,

19:01

J.D. Vance has a potentially purely

19:03

empty and symbolic... role in the

19:05

Trump administration, he's the vice president,

19:08

he really has no official duties.

19:10

Whatever duties he gets, whatever influence

19:12

he has is solely because Trump

19:14

gives it to him, and therefore

19:16

he's always being quite careful not

19:19

to seem like he's a radical

19:21

dissident to the Trump agenda. But

19:23

nonetheless, he and he alone did

19:25

stand up and say, I think

19:27

this is a mistake, because there's

19:30

no real US interests involved here.

19:32

We have a tiny amount. of

19:34

shipping that goes to the Suez.

19:36

It's the Europeans who have enormous

19:38

amounts and why we're out there

19:41

demanding that Europe take responsibility for

19:43

its own defense and that we

19:45

not bear the brunt of it

19:47

anymore. Here we are about to

19:49

do exactly that in a way

19:52

that the public... what won't understand.

19:54

Now, I guess you might consider

19:56

it a coincidence, I don't, that

19:58

the position of the Houthis under

20:00

Trump has been not that we're

20:02

going to attack American ships, but

20:05

that we're only going to attack

20:07

Israeli ships. To me, this is

20:09

much more a bombing campaign designed

20:11

to protect Israel than to protect

20:13

the Europeans. No one's going to

20:16

say that. No one's going to

20:18

admit that. But that's the truth.

20:20

And yet it was J.D. Vance,

20:22

despite the extremely insignificant, almost trivial

20:24

connection to US interests, who stood

20:27

up and said, this is wrong,

20:29

this is a mistake. The Vance

20:31

account then goes on to make

20:33

a noteworthy statement, considering that the

20:35

vice president has not deviated publicly

20:38

from Trump's position on virtually any

20:40

issue. Quote, I am not sure

20:42

the president is aware how inconsistent

20:44

this is with his matches on

20:46

Europe right now. There's a further

20:49

risk that we see a moderate

20:51

to severe spike in oil prices.

20:53

I am willing to support the

20:55

consensus of the team and keep

20:57

these concerns to myself, but there

21:00

is a strong argument for delaying

21:02

this a month, doing the messaging

21:04

work on why this matters, seeing

21:06

where the economy is, etc. So

21:08

we're essentially saying, this is wrong,

21:11

I'm against it, but at least

21:13

let's wait a month. So we

21:15

can figure out what we're really

21:17

doing here, like why the urgency,

21:19

why the immediacy. At 827. Quote,

21:22

VP, I understand your concerns and

21:24

fully support your raising with POTUS,

21:26

important considerations, most of which are

21:28

tough to know how they play

21:30

out, the economy, the Ukraine peace,

21:33

Gaza, etc. I think messaging is

21:35

what's going to be tough. I

21:37

think messaging is going to be

21:39

tough no matter what. Nobody knows

21:41

who the hoothees are, which is

21:44

why we would need to say

21:46

focused on, one, Biden failed, and

21:48

two, Iran funded. In

21:50

other words, they have no way

21:52

to explain to the American people

21:55

why bombing the Huthis is in

21:57

their interest, why bombing Yemen is

21:59

in their interest. So Hex has

22:01

to say... Let's just simplify it

22:03

and just avoid the real reasons

22:05

and just say Biden failed even

22:07

though Biden actually bombed Yemen continuously

22:10

throughout 2024. But this is always

22:12

the Republican narrative. The Democrats are

22:14

weak. They say Democrats were weak

22:16

on Israel even though the United

22:18

States under Biden paid for Israel's

22:20

entire war funded and armed that

22:23

war diplomatically protected Israel every day

22:25

of the UN. It was Obama

22:27

who signed a deal on his

22:29

way out of office with Netanyahu

22:31

to give the Israelis $38 billion

22:33

in military aid over 10 years,

22:35

but of course the Fox News

22:38

Republican narrative always has to be,

22:40

oh the Democrats hate Israel, etc.

22:42

Chuck Schumer, the highest ranking Democrat,

22:44

has a book out warning of

22:46

the anti-Semitism crisis that has engulfed

22:48

America and said my job is

22:51

to make sure the left stays

22:53

pro-Israel. The idea that the Democrats

22:55

are weak on Israel or the

22:57

Middle East or whatever is laughable,

22:59

it's a joke. But Exeth is

23:01

saying that's how we have to

23:03

sell it to the public. Biden

23:06

failed and let's scare them over

23:08

the connection to Iran. The Exeth

23:10

message goes on to state, quote,

23:12

waiting a few weeks or a

23:14

month does not fundamentally change the

23:16

calculus. Two immediate risks on waiting.

23:18

One, this leaks and we all

23:21

looked indecisive. and we don't get

23:23

to start this on our own

23:25

terms. We can manage both. We

23:27

are prepared to execute and if

23:29

I had final go or no-go

23:31

vote, I believe we should. This

23:34

is not about the Houthis. I

23:36

see it as about two things.

23:38

One, restoring freedom of navigation, a

23:40

core national interest, and two, re-establish

23:42

deterrence which Biden cratered. But we

23:44

can easily pause and if I

23:46

do so, I will do all

23:49

we can to enforce 100% op-sac

23:51

operational security. I welcome other thoughts.

23:53

Very ironic that ex-up is promising

23:55

a 100% op-sac operational security on

23:57

the this plan when they're all

23:59

doing this planning in front of

24:02

an anti- Trump journalist that they

24:04

have no idea has been invited

24:06

by the National Security Advisor into

24:08

this group unwittingly or otherwise. Goldberg

24:10

goes on quote it was the

24:12

next morning Saturday March 15th when

24:14

the story became truly bizarre at

24:17

1144 a. The account labeled Pete

24:19

Exaf posted in a in signal

24:21

a quote team update. I will

24:23

not quote from this update or

24:25

from certain other subsequent texts the

24:27

information contained in them if they

24:29

had been read by an adversary

24:32

that the United States could conceivably

24:34

have been used to harm American

24:36

military and intelligence personnel, particularly in

24:38

the broader Middle East Central Command's

24:40

area of responsibility. What I will

24:42

say in order to illustrate the

24:45

shocking recklessness of the signal conversation

24:47

is that Hexaeth posted The headset

24:49

post contained operational details of forthcoming

24:51

strikes on Yemen, including information about

24:53

targets, weapons the U.S. would be

24:55

deploying, and attack sequencing. The only

24:57

person to reply to the update

25:00

from the headset with the person

25:02

identified as the vice president, quote,

25:04

I will say a prayer for

25:06

victory, Vance wrote, two other users

25:08

subsequently added prayer emologies. According to

25:10

the lengthy hexapex, the first detonations

25:13

in Yemen would be felt two

25:15

hours hence at 1.45 p.m. Eastern

25:17

time. So I waited in my

25:19

car in a parking lot of

25:21

a supermarket. If this signal chat

25:23

was real, I reasoned, who the

25:25

targets would soon be bombed. At

25:28

about 1.55, I checked X and

25:30

search Yemen. Explos were then being

25:32

heard across SANA, the capital city,

25:34

which is how he knew that

25:36

that chat was authentic. Now with

25:38

the story everyone's being asked about

25:40

it absolutely nobody is denying that

25:43

the chat is authentic When the

25:45

State Department spokesperson was asked Why

25:47

this happened she simply said we're

25:49

not commenting on it At Donald

25:51

Trump's press appearance which to his

25:53

credit he does essentially every day

25:56

in the Roosevelt room a reporter

25:58

in a very weird timid way

26:00

asked Trump about this story and

26:02

Trump denied all knowledge of it.

26:04

Here's what he said. You're

26:06

reacting to the story of

26:08

the Atlantic that said that

26:11

some of your top officials

26:13

and aides have been discussing

26:15

very sensitive material to signal

26:17

and included in Atlantic report

26:19

about what is your response

26:21

to that? What is your

26:23

response to that? I don't

26:25

know anything about it. I'm

26:27

not a big fan of

26:29

the Atlantic. To me it's

26:31

a magazine that's going out

26:33

of business. I think it's

26:35

not much of a magazine,

26:37

but I know nothing about

26:39

it. You're saying that they

26:41

had what? what? How did

26:43

you do with what? What

26:45

were they talking about? Who

26:47

did these? The who did

26:49

you mean the attack or

26:51

the hood is? Well it

26:53

couldn't have been very effective

26:55

because the attack was very

26:57

effective I can tell you

26:59

that I don't know anything

27:01

about it. You're telling me

27:03

about it for the first

27:05

time. I don't doubt actually

27:07

that Trump hasn't heard about

27:09

it. Sometimes he doesn't follow

27:11

the news cycle all that

27:13

closely. But later after this,

27:15

the White House put out

27:17

a statement through Caroline Leavitt,

27:19

the White House press secretary,

27:21

saying President Trump has full

27:23

and complete confidence in his

27:25

national security advisor, Mike Walds,

27:27

even though Mike Walds added

27:29

journalists, a hostile journalist, to

27:31

their planning for a new

27:33

war. And

27:36

the, I mean, that's illegal,

27:39

by the way, to transmit

27:41

classified information to someone not

27:43

authorized to receive it. Pam

27:45

Bondi, Tulsa Gabbard, others in

27:47

the Trump administration have said

27:49

they will have zero tolerance

27:51

for leaks of classified information.

27:53

They're lucky that Jeffrey Goldberg

27:55

has a very similar foreign

27:57

policy to people like Michael.

27:59

He's obviously in favor of

28:01

the bombing of Yemen because

28:03

of helps Israel, whose foreign

28:06

military he joined and

28:08

served as a prison guard

28:10

and an Israeli detention camp

28:12

for Palestinians. And he's been an

28:14

advocate of the Iraq war, did

28:16

more than anybody to spread the

28:18

lie that Saddam Hussein was

28:21

involved in al-Qaeda in order

28:23

to justify that war. So obviously

28:25

it was safe in that sense

28:27

because... Jeffrey Goldberg was going

28:29

to be a supporter of it.

28:31

He has a very similar worldview

28:33

to Mike Walt, Mike Waltz. Both

28:35

of them are standard GOP militarists

28:38

and Neocons, but still, it's

28:41

a gigantic mistake at best, a

28:43

huge national security breach, and

28:45

had it been done with the wrong

28:48

person, it could easily have put the

28:50

lives of American troops in harm

28:52

its way, and why were they

28:54

using signal? The government

28:56

pays for extremely sophisticated,

28:59

classified networks to

29:01

talk about these sorts of

29:04

things on. And I consider signal

29:06

relatively safe of the

29:08

commercial apps. It's probably

29:10

the safest. It's the one

29:12

I use when I'm having

29:15

conversations that I don't want

29:17

to be easily invaded, but

29:19

it's far from invulnerable.

29:24

Here is Donald Trump in May of 2024,

29:27

we showed you this a couple weeks

29:29

ago when the campaign started to bomb

29:31

Yemen, where he was talking to Tim

29:33

Poole, and this was at a time that

29:35

Biden was heavily bombing him.

29:37

And obviously now they never mentioned

29:39

that because they want to pretend that

29:42

they are doing something Biden was too

29:44

scared to do or too wimpy to do,

29:46

when in reality it's just a

29:48

continuation of Biden's Middle East war

29:51

and bombing campaign that went on for

29:53

a full year. And here's what Donald

29:55

Trump, when he was running in May of

29:57

2024, told Tim Poole about what he thought.

30:00

about all that. I look at your

30:02

policies I see secure the borders bring

30:04

jobs back. I look at the Democrats

30:06

and many Republicans and it's foreign war

30:09

and foreign expansion. That's right. What is

30:11

that? I think it's just a failed

30:13

mentality. It's crazy. You can you can

30:16

sell problems over a telephone and said

30:18

they start dropping bombs. I see recently

30:20

they're dropping bombs all over Yemen. You

30:23

don't have to do that. You can

30:25

talk in such a way where they

30:27

respect you and they listen to your

30:30

Victor Orburn. of Hungary, you know, the

30:32

leader, they call him a strong man,

30:34

who cares if he's a strong man

30:37

or not a strong man? He's a

30:39

very powerful guy. He said the problem

30:41

the world has is that Donald Trump

30:44

is no longer president. When he was

30:46

president, China didn't play around, Russia

30:48

didn't play around, nobody played

30:50

around. And we had no

30:53

problems. Today, the whole world

30:55

is on fire. Between

30:57

what Magga said the Trump

30:59

administration would do, if Trump

31:01

won, what they said they

31:03

wanted him to do, when

31:05

he won, the way they've

31:07

self-identified, you saw that Tim

31:09

Poole question, which was the

31:11

Democrats of the Party of

31:13

War and intervention, and that

31:15

seems to be what they

31:17

want, and you want peace.

31:19

And Trump said, yeah, exactly.

31:21

And a perfect example is

31:23

Yemen. Why are we bobbing

31:25

Yemen? That

31:28

was eight months ago.

31:31

And then Trump gets

31:33

into office and less

31:36

than two months later,

31:39

he's bombing Yemen. Are

31:41

there very many Maga

31:44

advocates, Maga influencers, Republican

31:46

conservative pundits, who are

31:49

denouncing this? There's a

31:51

few, there's some, but

31:54

not many. And

31:58

this is the same exact.

32:00

with the free speech issue,

32:02

you know, conservatives have probably

32:04

been most contemptuous over the

32:06

last decade of the attempt

32:09

to limit free speech on

32:11

campus in the name of

32:13

protecting the sensibilities and the

32:15

creating safe spaces for various

32:17

minority groups. Trump gets into

32:19

office, one of his primary

32:22

focuses is to eliminate anti-Semitism

32:24

on college campuses. to force

32:26

Colombia to adopt a broader

32:28

definition of anti-Semitism, such that

32:30

various criticisms of Israel are

32:32

outlawed in the name of

32:35

making Jewish students feel safe.

32:37

Not talking to you about

32:39

deporting protesters, I'm talking about

32:41

forcing speech codes on Colombia

32:43

in other schools as well.

32:45

And you don't hear very

32:48

many. Magga. advocates and pundits

32:50

and employers and the like,

32:52

objected that either, even though

32:54

they've been waiving the free

32:56

speech banner incessantly for the

32:58

last decade, especially when it

33:00

comes to college campuses. And

33:03

this is something I've seen

33:05

in my journalism career every

33:07

single time there's a change

33:09

in party control in the

33:11

White House, every single time.

33:13

When people are out of

33:16

power, they embrace values and

33:18

beliefs. and they appealed at

33:20

constitutional principles and whatever, that

33:22

they used to condemn the

33:24

opposite party when they're in

33:26

power. And then the minute

33:29

their party gets into power,

33:31

they forget about every single

33:33

value they pretended to believe

33:35

in, even if the president

33:37

of their party is carrying

33:39

on the same policies that

33:41

they so vehemently denounced when

33:44

carried out by the prior

33:46

party. The first time

33:48

I ever saw that was the

33:50

first time that I was a

33:52

there was a party change in

33:54

the White House while I was

33:56

a journalist I Started in 2005

33:58

condemning the war on terror writing

34:00

every day about the process violations

34:03

of the war on terror, the

34:05

spying and privacy violations of American

34:07

citizens, rendition and torture and imprisoning

34:09

people with no trial, and they

34:11

built up a gigantic Democrat party

34:13

and liberal audience along with a

34:15

libertarian one. And then the minute

34:17

the Republicans are out of office

34:19

and Barack Obama is elected in

34:21

2008, takes office, takes office, takes

34:24

office, takes office, takes office, takes

34:26

office, takes office, and continues to

34:28

carry on many. In fact, most

34:30

of the same war on terror

34:32

policies that I had spent years

34:34

viciously in denouncing, huge numbers of

34:36

Democrats in my audience were like,

34:38

wait a minute, I didn't really

34:40

believe these things. I was just

34:42

using them to attack George Bush.

34:45

I don't want to hear these

34:47

criticisms of Barack Obama, and I

34:49

lost a good part of my

34:51

audience, and kept a good part

34:53

as well. But

34:55

you see it every single time

34:57

there's a change of party control

35:00

They either start overlooking the things

35:02

that they say they Find so

35:04

objectionable or start twisting themselves into

35:06

pretzels in order to justify it

35:08

because now their side is doing

35:10

it Trump undid his ceasefire caused

35:12

a new war in Gaza Even

35:14

though there's barely enough anything to

35:16

destroy them that we're paying for

35:19

an arming And he restarted a

35:21

Biden bombing campaign in Yemen, two

35:23

different wars in the Middle East,

35:25

while Israel bombs Syria and Lebanon

35:27

and Iraqis part of those countries,

35:29

basically have a giant Middle East

35:31

war led by the United States

35:33

and Israel. Exactly the kind of

35:36

words that Trump for a decade

35:38

has been promising to end. And

35:40

you barely hear protests from his

35:42

followers. The people who said they

35:44

believe in the magga vision, the

35:46

magga mentality that he laid out.

35:48

his criticism of the Bush-Chinese foreign

35:50

policy, the constant permanent war from

35:52

the deep state in the world.

35:55

or machine in the military, in

35:57

all of that, military industrial company,

35:59

all that's gone. Gone from the

36:01

Magdalips in order to cheer for

36:03

what Trump is doing. And I

36:05

understand the temptation involved in that.

36:07

I understand that if you are

36:09

happy that your president is doing

36:12

a lot of what you hoped

36:14

he would do, you're very reluctant

36:16

to. criticize him. There's also a

36:18

big economic factor in independent media,

36:20

which is if you do, if

36:22

you do, if you did build

36:24

an audience based on Trump supporters,

36:26

and then you turn around and

36:28

start criticizing him sometimes, you're going

36:31

to alienate a lot of your

36:33

audience. And a lot of people

36:35

are afraid to do that. They

36:37

get in prison by the audience

36:39

they've created, because they purposely have

36:41

set out to create a partisan

36:43

pro-trump or pro-biden or pro-como, whatever,

36:45

pro-baburney. audience and they're there to

36:48

hear praise of those people, not

36:50

to hear criticism of them. But

36:52

if you don't want to be

36:54

a fraud, if you want to

36:56

have any credibility in what you

36:58

claim, someday there's going to be

37:00

a democratic president. You can stand

37:02

up again and start screaming that

37:04

you're anti-war and don't want foreign

37:07

wars and don't like censorship. No

37:09

one's going to take you seriously.

37:11

Why would they? They just watched

37:13

you. Do everything that you could

37:15

possibly do to justify the very

37:17

things you claim to denounced and...

37:19

I'm not saying there's all magga

37:21

supporters doing that. I know some

37:24

who aren't. I respect the ones

37:26

who aren't. But there's a lot

37:28

of them. And the fact that

37:30

we're two months into the Trump

37:32

administration and the only person in

37:34

the group who said, wait a

37:36

minute, why are we bombing Evan?

37:38

Like, what does that have to

37:40

do with America first? An American

37:43

interest? Was JD Vance, someone who

37:45

has no real authority? And because

37:47

of that they ran roughshod over

37:49

him and ignored him and by

37:51

the end he was saying, okay

37:53

I'm on board I won't express

37:55

any disagreements publicly and I'm praying

37:57

for the success of our mission.

38:00

And that gives you a

38:02

real sense of the very

38:05

traditionally militaristic foreign policy that

38:07

a lot of these longtime

38:10

establishment Republicans who Trump built

38:12

his cabinet with have, and

38:15

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38:17

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anybody that the

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Trump administration is

40:07

supporting people who are in

40:09

the country illegally and they're

40:12

doing so in an aggressive

40:14

manner. After all if you

40:17

had to pick one issue,

40:19

one promise that was Trump's

40:21

signature issue ever since you

40:24

emerged on the political scene,

40:26

It would be deporting illegal aliens.

40:28

That was the very first thing,

40:30

in fact, he talked about when

40:32

he descended that escalator in Trump

40:35

Tower and gave the speech that

40:37

propelled him to the start of

40:39

the polls. He has democratic mandate

40:41

for it. He was twice elected

40:43

on that promise. Polls show that

40:45

they want that. The reality is,

40:48

though, despite all these showy controversies,

40:50

these flamboyant distractions, there are

40:52

no mass deportations taking place

40:55

taking place. In fact, the rate

40:57

of deportations under Trump is similar to

40:59

even a little bit less than it

41:01

was under Biden for this time period.

41:03

Part of the reason is because Trump

41:06

has succeeded in virtually shutting

41:08

the border. So there aren't a lot

41:10

of people entering the country illegally over

41:12

the border, and that counted for

41:15

a lot of the deportations Biden

41:17

has done. But the numbers are

41:19

nowhere near what anyone considered mass

41:21

deportation in the scope of how

41:23

many. illegal aliens that are

41:25

in the United States, maybe that

41:27

number will increase, but it's not

41:29

now. There doesn't seem to be a lot

41:32

of urgency to that. What we're getting

41:34

instead are these side shows, almost

41:36

an exploitation of the promise to

41:38

engage in mass deportation. The first

41:41

one was going to Colombia and

41:43

targeting for deportation, not people

41:45

who were in the United

41:47

States illegally, but people who were

41:49

in the United States very

41:51

legally. with student visas, with

41:54

work visas, even with green

41:56

cards, which are considered permanent

41:58

resident status. deporting those

42:00

people for the crime of

42:02

protesting, you'll never guess which

42:04

country, the one that half

42:06

of the things we talk

42:09

about as a nation end

42:11

up focusing on, which is

42:13

Israel. So there's been a

42:15

lot of deportation controversies surrounding,

42:17

deporting people in the US

42:19

legally, which has nothing to

42:21

do with Trump's mass deportation

42:23

promise. And then you have

42:25

a controversy that has been

42:27

created. Not because Trump deported

42:29

illegal aliens, because deportation of

42:31

illegal aliens is always meant,

42:33

not just in the United

42:35

States, but essentially every country

42:37

in the democratic world, taking

42:39

people inside the country illegally

42:41

and sending them back to

42:43

their country of origin, meaning

42:45

where they're a citizen. So

42:47

if you deport Guatemalans, they

42:49

get deported back to Guatemala.

42:51

if you deport illegal aliens

42:54

who are Chinese, you deport

42:56

them back to China, etc.

42:58

That's how deportation works. That's

43:00

what deportation means. As we

43:02

know and we reported this

43:04

last week at length, that's

43:06

not what the Trump administration

43:08

is doing. Over the weekend,

43:10

last weekend, they took 237

43:12

Venezuelans who are not citizens

43:14

of El Salvador, who have

43:16

never been citizens of El

43:18

Salvador, Probably in every case,

43:20

certainly most of them have

43:22

never been to El Salvador,

43:24

have nothing to do with

43:26

El Salvador. And they didn't

43:28

deport them just to go

43:30

back to their countries. They

43:32

purposely deported them to a

43:34

third-party country that they have

43:36

nothing to do with and

43:39

pay the El Salvadoran government

43:41

to put them into one

43:43

of the world's worst, most

43:45

notorious, and abusive prisons where

43:47

the El Salvadoran president... essentially

43:49

the dictator of El Salvador

43:51

said they would like never

43:53

leave. They very well may

43:55

never leave. That's what that

43:57

prison is for. It's intended

43:59

to completely strip people of

44:01

their humanity, ignore human rights

44:03

principles concerning prisons. And the

44:05

reason the Trump administration said

44:07

they were doing that is

44:09

not because they were in

44:11

the country illegally, illegally, because

44:13

nobody thinks that appropriate or

44:15

proportionate punishment to entering the

44:17

United States legally is to

44:19

send someone to life in

44:22

prison in an El Salvadoran

44:24

dungeon. especially people have nothing

44:26

to do with El Salvador.

44:28

The argument of the Trump

44:30

administration as to why they

44:32

sent them to prison was

44:34

because they were all members

44:36

of a violent Venezuelan drug

44:38

gang, Trim de Aragua. And

44:40

the problem with that claim

44:42

is that they were accusing

44:44

people of severe criminality, of

44:46

being members of a violent

44:48

drug gang, without any kind

44:50

of evidentiary hearing where they

44:52

were going to present the

44:54

evidence demonstrating this accusation was

44:56

true and giving the accused

44:58

the opportunity to contest it.

45:00

So the Trump administration comes

45:02

in and says, oh look

45:04

he has a tattoo that

45:07

is associated with this gang

45:09

and the person accused because

45:11

they know actually this is

45:13

a tattoo of my favorite

45:15

soccer team Rial Madrid that

45:17

is worldwide known and the

45:19

ice agents misinterpreted it, which

45:21

is exactly what happened at

45:23

least in one case. So

45:26

the problem here is not the

45:28

Trump administration, the porting ally lines.

45:30

The problem is that Trump administration

45:32

sending people to life in prison

45:34

with zero due process, zero opportunity

45:36

for them to contest the accusations

45:38

against them. And as a result,

45:40

all we're left to do is

45:42

to piece together whatever evidence emerges

45:44

in the media or from their

45:46

families or from their lawyers and

45:48

say, wait a minute, there's at

45:50

least serious doubt about this person

45:52

and this person and this person.

45:56

It seems very unlikely that they're

45:58

actually in Trento Agua, but unfortunately

46:00

they did. get a chance to

46:02

the government didn't have to prove

46:05

anything and they didn't have a

46:07

chance to disprove it they were

46:09

just swept onto a plane and

46:11

thrown into that prison where now

46:14

no US court can even order

46:16

them released because El Salvadoran government

46:18

can obviously ignore US court orders.

46:20

And the Trump administration's response to

46:23

all of this was once a

46:25

judge, a federal district court judge,

46:28

who as a reminder is appointed

46:30

by the president and confirmed by

46:32

the Senate, ordered an injunction against

46:34

this program. In fact, ordered those

46:37

detainees not to be taken to

46:39

El Salvador. They took them to

46:41

El Salvador anyway. And the judge,

46:43

as a result, extended his injunction

46:46

on this program saying, you cannot

46:48

deport people to life in prison

46:50

without some kind of a hearing,

46:52

without some opportunity for them to

46:55

go to court. and argue that

46:57

they're being wrongfully accused. There's been

46:59

a major Trump White House media

47:01

war, a magga, social media war

47:04

on the particular judge who ruled

47:06

this way, calling him a far

47:08

left judge, even though we have

47:10

so many hearings, some of which

47:13

have been in favor of decisions,

47:15

which are far from left, some

47:17

of which have been against the

47:19

Mueller investigation, some of which have

47:22

been in favor of Trump. But

47:25

the way our legal system works

47:27

is that when you have a

47:30

district judge who goes to Who

47:32

rules on a certain case you

47:34

if you want to sue the

47:37

government You can't go right to

47:39

the Supreme Court. You can't go

47:41

to an appellate court You have

47:44

to go to a federal district

47:46

court judge. That's where essentially with

47:48

very few exceptions every legal case

47:50

originates And federal district court judges

47:53

absolutely have the power to enjoin

47:55

the federal government from doing something.

47:57

In fact, conservatives constantly went into

48:00

federal court under the Clinton administration

48:02

under the Obama administration under the

48:04

Biden administration and asked the district

48:07

court judge to issue an injunction

48:09

blocking what the Biden administration wanted

48:11

to do not just for that

48:14

district but nationwide. This idea that

48:16

federal district court judges have no

48:18

power or authority to enjoin the

48:20

federal government from violating the law,

48:23

violating the Constitution, nobody has ever

48:25

thought this before. This is always

48:27

how our court system has worked,

48:30

at least since Marbury versus Madison,

48:32

which resolved the question of who

48:34

interprets the Constitution, and the courts

48:37

did, and ever since, that has

48:39

been how our legal system has

48:41

worked, and both sides have fully

48:44

taken advantage of that by getting

48:46

the other party's president's policies invalidated

48:48

or declared unconstitutional. And yet, there's

48:50

outrage over this injunction from AP.

48:53

Trump's sales judge who blocked deportation

48:55

as the case heads to appeal,

48:57

quote, President Donald Trump on Monday

49:00

questioned the impartiality of the federal

49:02

judge who blocked his plans to

49:04

deport Venezuelan immigrants to El Salvador.

49:07

Leveling his criticisms only hours before

49:09

his administration will ask an appeal

49:11

court to lift the judge's order.

49:14

Just after midnight, Trump posted a

49:16

social media message calling for Chief

49:18

Judge James Bozburg to be disbarred.

49:20

Trump reposted an article about Bozburg's

49:23

attendance at a legal conference that

49:25

purportedly featured, quote, Antitrum speakers. The

49:27

judge, meanwhile, refused Monday to throw

49:30

out his criminal order before an

49:32

appeals court hearing for the case.

49:34

Bozburg ruled that the immigrants facing

49:37

deportation must get an opportunity to

49:39

challenge their designations as alleged members

49:41

of the Trenda-Ragua gang. That's all

49:44

he's saying is, before you can

49:46

put someone in prison, based on

49:48

the government say so, that these

49:50

people are members of this violent

49:53

gang that you've declared a terrorist

49:55

organization. have to have an opportunity

49:57

to disprove that accusation. The

50:00

judge said there is a

50:02

quote strong public interest in

50:05

preventing the mistaken deportation of

50:07

people based on categories. They

50:09

have no right to challenge.

50:11

This case was appealed that

50:13

decision was appealed by the

50:15

Trump Justice Department to the

50:17

DC Court of Appeals. We

50:19

have 13 different appellate courts

50:22

in the United States. The

50:24

DC Court of Appeals is

50:26

for DC, it typically rules

50:28

on federal government action. It's

50:30

considered the most prestigious court

50:32

of all the Court of

50:34

Appeals courts right below the

50:36

Supreme Court. There's more betting

50:38

for this court than any

50:41

other. And of the three

50:43

judges who sat on the

50:45

panel, one of them was

50:47

a Trump appointee, Justin Walker.

50:49

Now, I've attended a lot

50:51

of... oral arguments I've participated

50:53

in a lot of arguments

50:55

as a judge as a

50:58

lawyer. I've covered a lot

51:00

of oral arguments as a

51:02

journalist and honestly I'm being

51:04

serious here. I don't recall

51:06

an oral argument where the

51:08

judges on the panel were

51:10

so blatantly and glaringly opposed

51:12

to everything the government lawyers

51:15

were saying. Oftentimes they'll try

51:17

and ask tough questions for

51:19

each side. A lot of

51:21

times you walk away not

51:23

really knowing what's how they're

51:25

going to rule. Sometimes you

51:27

walk away knowing how they're

51:29

going to rule because they

51:32

were somewhat more assertive with

51:34

one side than the other.

51:36

In this hearing, they just

51:38

badgered the DOJ lawyer essentially

51:40

rejecting aggressively everything that he

51:42

was saying. And then when

51:44

the plaintiff's lawyers, the immigrants

51:46

lawyers from the ACLU and

51:49

elsewhere stood up to speak.

51:51

They basically kept saying we already

51:53

agree with you. You don't really

51:55

need to keep saying this Here

51:57

is just one of the exchanges

52:00

courtesy of cease which broadcast the

52:02

hearing that's where I listen to

52:04

it, of this Trump appointee Justin

52:06

Walker as he essentially sides with

52:08

the Venezuelans about the rate of

52:10

due process. Was this whole pre-deprivation

52:12

thing? We were talking about people

52:14

being sent to El Salvador. And

52:16

by the way this is the

52:18

lawyer for one of the lawyers

52:20

for the Venezuelan immigrants who are

52:22

describing why due process is so

52:24

urgent here and you'll hear the

52:26

judge interject. this whole pre-deprivation thing.

52:28

We were talking about people being

52:30

sent to El Salvador, the worst,

52:33

one of the worst prisons in

52:35

the world, in communicata, they're essentially

52:37

being disappeared. The president of El

52:39

Salvador has now said maybe they're

52:41

going to spend the rest of

52:43

their lives there. The government has

52:45

provided zero ability to bring habeas

52:47

is. The implications of not giving

52:49

people a chance to contest it

52:51

are extraordinary. every religious and ethnic

52:53

group in this country has at

52:55

some point been tagged as associated

52:57

with a criminal organization. If people

52:59

can just be picked up and

53:01

sent... Mr. Glenn, I mean I

53:03

should have to stop you. You're

53:06

not getting an argument from this

53:08

bench so far today against the

53:10

idea that every single member of

53:12

this class can have an individualized

53:14

habeas determination in front of an

53:16

Article 3 judge to say I'm

53:18

innocent. But it's really an extraordinary

53:20

thing that's happening because... People were

53:22

rushed out as Judge Bozburg said,

53:24

and story after story is now

53:26

coming out, that people had nothing

53:28

to do with the gang. And

53:30

so I think we're looking at

53:32

people now who may be in

53:34

a Salvador prison the rest of

53:36

their lives. And I think that's

53:39

really the problem. And in Communicado,

53:41

families can't reach them. There's no

53:43

way to reach them. And the

53:45

government wants to continue doing it.

53:47

This is what I mean. You

53:49

hear what he said, the judge.

53:51

This is the crux of the

53:53

case. The their only

53:55

their only argument is look We

53:57

don't dispute the government right to

54:00

deport people in the country illegally.

54:02

We don't even dispute their right

54:04

to imprison people if they're part

54:07

of a criminal gang or an

54:09

organization designated as a terrorist organization.

54:11

What we're arguing is that the

54:13

people accused before they get thrown

54:16

away into a foreign country and

54:18

disappeared forever and one of the

54:20

worst prison systems in the world

54:23

for life or indefinitely. Has to

54:25

have the right before they're put

54:27

there To appeal to a court

54:29

and say We want a hearing

54:32

to demonstrate that the accusation against

54:34

us that we belong to this

54:36

gang is false And the judge

54:39

in the panel who's a Trump

54:41

appointee Interjected and said you don't

54:43

have I don't know why you

54:45

keep talking about this because you

54:48

have you there's no dispute from

54:50

this bench that every single person

54:52

that they proposed to deport to

54:55

El Salvador has the right to

54:57

an Article 3 hearing before they're

54:59

deported, where the evidence has to

55:01

be considered. And just as one

55:04

reminder, you know, I sometimes, and

55:06

this is what I find frustrating,

55:08

to be honest about the first

55:11

two months of the Trump administration,

55:13

is it was a common claim

55:15

within the Maga movement. that Bush

55:17

and Cheney were terrible, that administration

55:20

was terrible and destructive, the war

55:22

on terror was wrong and bad,

55:24

that civil liberties are vital. This,

55:27

what the Trump administration is doing

55:29

was the crux of the war

55:31

on terror assault on civil liberties

55:33

under Bush and Cheney. The argument

55:36

of Bush and Cheney was that

55:38

we have the power because we're

55:40

in a war called the war

55:43

on terror. to unilaterally and with

55:45

no review designate people even American

55:47

citizens as Terrorists or enemy combatants.

55:49

And once we do that, we

55:52

can do anything we want to

55:54

them with no judicial review. We

55:56

can torture them. We can kidnap

55:59

them off the streets of Europe

56:01

and render them, ship them to

56:03

Syria and Egypt to be tortured.

56:05

We can put them in prison

56:08

in Guantanamo for life. We can

56:10

claim the right to spy on

56:12

American citizens as long as we

56:15

think it advances our interest in

56:17

terms of battling terrorism. And when

56:19

there were... Patriot Act controversies or

56:21

Guantanamo controversies, the argument of the

56:24

government was look, you just trust

56:26

us. We have done a very

56:28

thorough job of determining who these

56:31

people are. We know they're terrorists.

56:33

In fact, in Guantanamo, every person

56:35

in Guantanamo we were told was

56:37

not just a terrorist, but quote,

56:40

the worst of the worst. And

56:42

at the time, there were in

56:44

excess of a thousand... detainees in

56:47

Guantanamo, now there are fewer than

56:49

30. Because the government over 18

56:51

years realized that these people are

56:53

not threats. They have never been

56:56

associated with terrorist organizations. A lot

56:58

of them were picked up based

57:00

on bad intelligence or deliberate vindictive

57:03

reporting to the US military that

57:05

somebody was or just mistaken identity.

57:07

And it was only one Supreme

57:09

Court ruled in 2008 that they

57:12

have an entitlement to a hearing.

57:14

habeas corpus here in under the

57:16

Constitution even though they're not citizens

57:18

and even though they're being held

57:21

in Guantanamo and they started to

57:23

prove that a lot of them

57:25

did that there was no evidence

57:28

against them we learned this lesson

57:30

already we should have learned it

57:32

decades ago even before that that

57:34

you don't trust the executive branch

57:37

the federal government to say we'll

57:39

decide who's guilty you don't need

57:41

to see any of the evidence

57:44

they don't need any opportunity they

57:46

could test it we're good people

57:48

trust us to do it that's

57:50

not the American system that's not

57:53

an American value It never has

57:55

been. Here's Patricia Millett, who was

57:57

also on. the panel. She's an

58:00

Obama appointee. She was very active

58:02

in this oral argument. I mean,

58:04

again, just like badgering the DOJ

58:06

lawyer, but in a way that

58:09

the Trump appointee agreed with as

58:11

well. And we'll just show you

58:13

a couple of clips of that.

58:16

But second, I think that the

58:18

procedural one still challenges fundamentally in

58:20

core habeas. It says you may

58:22

not do anything to me under

58:25

the AEA until you satisfy these

58:27

preconditions. You are utterly without power

58:29

to do so. I think that's

58:32

a false equation. The problem here

58:34

is, right, the problem here is

58:36

wrong because procedural requirements in a

58:38

trial were not followed. No, I

58:41

don't think that's the same at

58:43

all because people don't go through

58:45

a trial in this country without

58:48

getting the gold standard of due

58:50

process. And that was not happening

58:52

here. I think that's a false

58:54

equation. The problem here is, right,

58:57

that they are challenging implementation. the

59:00

proclamation in a way that

59:02

never gave anyone a chance

59:05

to say, I'm not covered.

59:07

And if your argument is

59:10

we didn't have to do

59:12

that, it's an intrusion on

59:14

the president's war powers, the

59:17

courts are paralyzed to do

59:19

anything, then that's a misreading

59:21

of precedent. It's a misreading

59:24

of the text of the

59:26

alien enemies act. And

59:29

that can't be an unlawful intrusion

59:31

on the president's powers. You just

59:33

can't. The president has to comply

59:35

with the Constitution and laws like

59:38

everybody else. On that, we certainly

59:40

agree, your honor. I think that

59:42

what is occurring... I mean, just

59:44

by the way, last week, my

59:46

friends, Sagar and Jetty and Crystal

59:48

Wall, the co-host of... Breaking points

59:50

had a quite vociferous debate twice

59:53

in fact about this issue with

59:55

Crystal arguing against these deportation to

59:57

El Salvador and Sogger arguing in

59:59

favor. I listened to both. I

1:00:01

went and talked to Sogger and

1:00:03

explained to him my reasons why

1:00:06

I thought he was wrong and

1:00:08

do his immense credit, asked me

1:00:10

to come on the show, Crystal's

1:00:12

office week on vacation, where I

1:00:14

could basically yell at him and

1:00:16

tell him why he's wrong. He

1:00:19

actually during the conversation we had

1:00:21

even before this was starting to

1:00:23

say you know what maybe I'm

1:00:25

being convinced I'm understanding these arguments

1:00:27

better now he kind of said

1:00:29

I'm very emotional about illegal immigration

1:00:31

like a lot of people are

1:00:34

and I just want the problem

1:00:36

solved but it is true we

1:00:38

can't violate the Constitution or basically

1:00:40

prostrate rights to do it and

1:00:42

to his great credit he invited

1:00:44

me on the Playful title that

1:00:47

breaking this point put up was

1:00:49

Glenn Greenwold School's saga on deportation

1:00:51

a lot of people thought that

1:00:53

that was the staff passive aggressively

1:00:55

Repelling against soccer. In fact, he

1:00:57

was the one who wrote it

1:00:59

Knowing that it would bring a

1:01:02

lot of traffic to the Segment,

1:01:04

but we did hash it out

1:01:06

Ryan Graham was there as well

1:01:08

for about 25 minutes and kind

1:01:10

of at the end soccer said

1:01:12

you know what? I feel like

1:01:15

I'm probably wrong on this issue.

1:01:17

I'm starting to understand why this

1:01:19

can't be, that you can just

1:01:21

throw people into an El Salvador

1:01:23

in prison with no opportunity for

1:01:25

them to say that I've been

1:01:27

wrongly accused of being part of

1:01:30

a drug gang. Otherwise, you can

1:01:32

just pick up anybody the president

1:01:34

could. Anyway, I recommend that talking

1:01:36

points debate I did earlier today

1:01:38

because a lot of these issues

1:01:40

are really hatched out. Here's the

1:01:43

third segment I want to show

1:01:45

you from the hearing, because I

1:01:47

wanted to explain this one point.

1:01:50

The only reason that the Trump

1:01:53

administration argues that they can ship

1:01:55

people out of the country with

1:01:57

no Due process is because because

1:02:00

they have declared war. They claim

1:02:02

that the United States is under

1:02:04

attack, that it's a war, like

1:02:07

World War I or World War

1:02:09

II or the 1812 War, which

1:02:11

were the only three times in

1:02:13

history that the alien enemies act

1:02:16

on which the Trump administration is

1:02:18

relying, was actually invoked for real

1:02:20

wars. Like when the United States

1:02:23

was really at war. And they

1:02:25

needed during World War II, for

1:02:27

example, to expel people they thought

1:02:30

were Nazi sympathizers or... sympathizers with

1:02:32

Japan. This was the statute that

1:02:34

led FDR to claim the power

1:02:36

to imprison Japanese Americans in internment

1:02:39

camps with no evidence of wrongdoing

1:02:41

just based on the belief that

1:02:43

if they were Japanese in ancestry

1:02:46

they would have more loyalty to

1:02:48

Japan than to the United States.

1:02:50

So isn't it very extreme law?

1:02:53

And there's a lot of questions

1:02:55

about are we actually at war?

1:02:57

with Trinidad, Aragua, is that a

1:02:59

criminal problem? It sounds like a

1:03:02

criminal problem. Usually you go to

1:03:04

war with nation states, not with

1:03:06

drug gangs. But even when we

1:03:09

were in World War II and

1:03:11

World War I in the 1812

1:03:13

war, and the government claimed the

1:03:16

right to expel people who were

1:03:18

foreign threats, even they got hearings.

1:03:22

If someone was a suspected

1:03:24

Nazi sympathizer or Nazi operative

1:03:26

before they got expelled from

1:03:28

the country, they had a

1:03:30

hearing to prove that they

1:03:32

were mistreated exactly what the

1:03:34

Trump administration refuses to give

1:03:36

people today. And here's what

1:03:38

Judge Millett said about that.

1:03:40

Your Honor, I think this

1:03:42

course decision I am versus

1:03:44

CBP is instructive on this.

1:03:46

Your Honor, I think it's

1:03:48

incorrect that they couldn't have

1:03:50

gotten into court as the

1:03:53

five individual plaintiffs. No, but

1:03:55

the point here was that

1:03:57

there were plane loads of

1:03:59

people. I mean, it was

1:04:01

also, it's a class action.

1:04:03

There were plane. of people.

1:04:05

There were no procedures in

1:04:07

place to notify people. Nazis

1:04:09

got better treatment under the

1:04:11

Alien Enemy Act and has

1:04:13

happened here where the proclamation

1:04:15

required the promulgation of regulations

1:04:17

and they had hearing boards

1:04:19

before people were removed. And

1:04:21

yet here there's nothing in

1:04:23

there about hearing boards. There's

1:04:25

no regulations and nothing was

1:04:27

adopted by the agency officials

1:04:29

that were this. The people

1:04:32

weren't given notice. They weren't

1:04:34

told where they were going.

1:04:36

And they were given those

1:04:38

people on those planes on

1:04:40

that Saturday had no opportunity

1:04:42

to file habeas or any

1:04:44

type of action to challenge

1:04:46

the removal under the AEA.

1:04:48

And you've agreed that two

1:04:50

of those airplanes people were

1:04:52

removed under the AEA. Is

1:04:54

that? So you kind of

1:04:56

get a sense for how

1:04:58

rough. The Trump Justice Department

1:05:00

lawyers had it at oral

1:05:02

argument today. Like I say,

1:05:04

I've never seen such a

1:05:06

one-sided, such a one-sided oral

1:05:09

argument before. There are now

1:05:11

these issues going to the

1:05:13

Supreme Court. The office of

1:05:15

the Solicitor General, which is

1:05:17

the office that argues for

1:05:19

the US government before the

1:05:21

Supreme Court, has appealed to

1:05:23

the Supreme Court on the

1:05:25

question. of a district court

1:05:27

injunction in the Northern District

1:05:29

of California that regards whether

1:05:31

the Trump administration has the

1:05:33

right to fire certain government

1:05:35

employees who had been protected

1:05:37

statutorily with the right not

1:05:39

to be fired without just

1:05:41

cause. And the Solicitor General,

1:05:43

in appealing directly to the

1:05:46

Supreme Court, not going to

1:05:48

the appeals court, says, quote,

1:05:50

the lower court should not

1:05:52

be allowed to transform themselves

1:05:54

into all-purpose overseers of executive

1:05:56

branch hiring, firing, contracting, and

1:05:58

policy making only... This court

1:06:00

could end the inter-branch power

1:06:02

grab. Now, I see a

1:06:04

lot of Trump supporters arguing

1:06:06

that district court judges should

1:06:08

not have the power to

1:06:10

make decisions that bind the

1:06:12

entire federal government, the president,

1:06:14

the executive branch, nobody elected

1:06:16

them, etc., etc., etc. And

1:06:18

like I said earlier, the

1:06:20

Trump supporters, the conservative movement,

1:06:22

frequently went into federal court.

1:06:25

under every Democratic administration for

1:06:27

decades, including Joe Biden's, and

1:06:29

asked a single federal judge

1:06:31

in a single federal court

1:06:33

district to enjoin, to stop

1:06:35

Biden policy, not for just

1:06:37

one district, but for the

1:06:39

entire country, and they often

1:06:41

succeeded in getting it. No

1:06:43

conservative back then ever said,

1:06:45

oh, federal district court judge

1:06:47

don't have the right to

1:06:49

stop US government policy. Because

1:06:51

again, if you want to

1:06:53

sue the U.S. government and

1:06:55

get an injunction, stop them

1:06:57

from doing something you believe

1:06:59

is illegal or unconstitutional, you

1:07:02

have to go to a

1:07:04

federal district court. That's the

1:07:06

only one that can rule

1:07:08

in the first instance. And

1:07:10

the solution, if the government

1:07:12

thinks that the injunction is

1:07:14

wrong, is not to ignore

1:07:16

it, but to appeal to

1:07:18

the appellate court than the

1:07:20

Supreme Court. That's how the

1:07:22

rule of law functions. Here

1:07:24

are a few examples from

1:07:26

the... This is the on

1:07:28

data and democracy headline. Oh,

1:07:30

actually, this is a little

1:07:32

bit different. This is, there's

1:07:34

this other narrative that the

1:07:36

judges who are ruling against

1:07:39

the Trump administration are all

1:07:41

left-wing judges. They're all leftists

1:07:43

carrying out a political agenda

1:07:45

and a political war against

1:07:47

Trump. So this is the

1:07:49

on data and democracy. which

1:07:51

compiled data that reveals a

1:07:53

cross-ideological judicial opposition to the

1:07:55

Trump administration. And... But they

1:07:57

have both liberal and conservative

1:07:59

judges are ruling against Trump.

1:08:01

Two of the four judges

1:08:03

targeted for impeachment are actually

1:08:05

right of center. And you

1:08:07

can kind of see here

1:08:09

that they have the conservatives

1:08:11

over here and the liberals

1:08:13

over here and the center,

1:08:15

the kind of center over

1:08:18

here. And it's also for

1:08:20

Trump and against Trump. And

1:08:22

you see a lot of

1:08:24

these people for Trump, here,

1:08:26

conservatives for Trump, who have

1:08:28

been ruling against him. And

1:08:30

you see Judge Bozburg, who

1:08:32

again is being called a

1:08:34

far leftist, even though his

1:08:36

judicial history doesn't remotely suggest

1:08:38

anything like that. Other judges

1:08:40

as well who are more

1:08:42

to the conservative side, and

1:08:44

then you can really see

1:08:46

it here, where this is

1:08:48

the percentage ruling against Trump

1:08:50

by judicial ideology, and it's

1:08:52

76% for liberal judges or

1:08:55

Democrats, 88% for centrist judges,

1:08:57

and even 50% for conservative

1:08:59

judges. So this is by

1:09:01

no means a far-left attack

1:09:03

on the Trump administration. This

1:09:05

is something which the judiciary

1:09:07

is reacting to. Remember, the

1:09:09

Trump administration, the Trump movement,

1:09:11

and this is part of

1:09:13

what I liked about it,

1:09:15

vowed that they were going

1:09:17

to go in and completely

1:09:19

break the way things are

1:09:21

being done. So

1:09:24

it is, I think, expected that

1:09:26

judges are going to be giving

1:09:28

more scrutiny to brand new ways

1:09:31

of doing things. One of the

1:09:33

cases that conservatives ended up getting

1:09:35

a federal district court judge court

1:09:38

to stop was Biden's plans to

1:09:40

cancel student loans, something he was

1:09:43

being pressured to do by the

1:09:45

Democratic Party base. And instead of

1:09:47

getting Congress to do it, he

1:09:50

issued an executive order, argued he

1:09:52

had the power to do so,

1:09:54

even though when by... and refused

1:09:57

to do it for years. Nancy

1:09:59

Pelosi said he doesn't have that

1:10:01

power, only Congress can do it.

1:10:04

Biden did it because he wanted

1:10:06

to give his base a kind

1:10:09

of political present heading into the

1:10:11

election. And conservatives ran into a

1:10:13

federal court, just a normal federal

1:10:16

district court judge, and said Biden's

1:10:18

student loan cancellation policy is illegal.

1:10:20

It exceeds his power as a

1:10:23

president. They got a federal court

1:10:25

judge, a lower court judge, to

1:10:27

enjoin, to stop the policy for

1:10:30

the entire country. They overrode the

1:10:32

president's policy. Here was Donald Trump

1:10:35

in a video on True Social

1:10:37

in September of 2024 celebrating that

1:10:39

ruling. Joe Biden was just rejected

1:10:42

with his hoax or trying to

1:10:44

get student loans paid off or

1:10:46

go away or whatever. It was

1:10:49

total rejection. They laughed at him.

1:10:51

He's a stupid man, but he

1:10:53

doesn't care because he's not running.

1:10:56

So that was one example. Here

1:10:58

David Sachs, who I know very

1:11:01

well and have a lot of

1:11:03

respect for, he's been a very

1:11:05

knowledgeable and important and influential opponent

1:11:08

of the war in Ukraine, among

1:11:10

other things. I think he's been

1:11:12

really influenced by a lot of

1:11:15

the voices that we have on

1:11:17

our show. Professor Meersheimer and... that

1:11:19

kind of realist school that is

1:11:22

opposed to intervention. But he is

1:11:24

now part of the Trump administration.

1:11:27

He's Trump's czar for for crypto

1:11:29

and artificial intelligence. And he said

1:11:31

this on X earlier today, quote,

1:11:34

there are over 600 district court

1:11:36

judges in the US, roughly half

1:11:38

appointed by Democrats and half Republicans.

1:11:41

Obviously, the whole system breaks down

1:11:43

if it only takes one to

1:11:46

invalidate any executive branch action. I

1:11:49

just showed you Trump celebrating

1:11:51

a federal district court judge

1:11:53

doing exactly that invalidating the

1:11:55

executive branch action. But remember

1:11:57

the case. that we talked

1:11:59

about a lot where the

1:12:01

Biden administration was coercing and

1:12:03

pressuring Big Tech to censor

1:12:06

dissent on a whole range

1:12:08

of issues, including COVID. And

1:12:10

the Biden administration lost in

1:12:12

the federal court district court

1:12:14

level. Conservative attorneys general for

1:12:16

Missouri and Louisiana went and

1:12:18

ensued the Biden administration and

1:12:21

asked the federal district court

1:12:23

judge to enjoin. that program

1:12:25

and joined the government from

1:12:27

doing what they were doing

1:12:29

with coercing big tech. And

1:12:31

David Sachs, the same David

1:12:33

Sachs just said the government

1:12:36

would collapse if federal district

1:12:38

court judges can override executive

1:12:40

policy, the country would fall

1:12:42

apart, was celebrating this because

1:12:44

like myself, he found the

1:12:46

censorship regime to be so

1:12:48

offensive to the Constitution and

1:12:50

American values. Here's what he

1:12:53

posted on X in July

1:12:55

of 2023. has ruled that

1:12:57

parts of the government, including

1:12:59

FBI and HHS, cannot urge

1:13:01

encourage pressure or induce social

1:13:03

media sites to remove content

1:13:05

containing protected free speech a

1:13:08

much needed decision happy July

1:13:10

4th. Conservative constantly got federal

1:13:12

discord judges to enjoying Democratic

1:13:14

administrations. Here's Charlie Kirk today.

1:13:16

Speaking on Laura Ingram's program

1:13:18

about why he believes the

1:13:20

United States now faces a

1:13:23

constitutional crisis. So you have

1:13:25

these district court judges, usually

1:13:27

Charlie, selected in areas where

1:13:29

they know there's a disproportionate

1:13:31

number of Democrat appointees, so

1:13:33

they'll go to the First

1:13:35

Circuit, go to Boston, or

1:13:37

Connecticut, or DC, or out

1:13:40

in the Pacific Northwest, and

1:13:42

they'll find, you know, they'll

1:13:44

find a friendly judge, and

1:13:46

then that judges, okay, the

1:13:48

president has no authority. I

1:13:50

mean that's just ludicrous so

1:13:52

the administration has to go

1:13:55

directly to the Supreme Court

1:13:57

on that question and there's

1:13:59

a process for doing that.

1:14:01

But the DOJ and the

1:14:03

Solicitor General's office has to

1:14:05

push against these nationwide injunctions

1:14:07

because I think that's really

1:14:10

going to be the only

1:14:12

weapon in the first two

1:14:14

years that the Democrats can

1:14:16

deploy here. It's the

1:14:18

only weapon and it is the

1:14:20

strategy of trying to run out

1:14:23

the clock. They're trying to flood

1:14:25

the zone with so many nationwide

1:14:27

injunctions that the Supreme Court cannot

1:14:29

practically actually be able to rule

1:14:31

on all these cases. If there's

1:14:34

a hundred or two hundred sweeping

1:14:36

nationwide injunctions, maybe half of them

1:14:38

will end up being heard by

1:14:40

the U.S. Supreme Court. This is

1:14:42

a run-out-of-the-clock strategy that they tried

1:14:45

during the first Trump administration. Do

1:14:47

you believe that this is okay?

1:14:49

Clarence Thomas in 20... Now, again,

1:14:51

this is how our system has worked

1:14:53

for many, many decades. More

1:14:56

than a century. Federal District

1:14:58

Court judges are the court of

1:15:00

first instance when you sue the government

1:15:03

and they have always had

1:15:05

the power to issue injunctions.

1:15:07

They issue injunctions against acts

1:15:09

that are legal or violated

1:15:11

of the Constitution. Conservatives have

1:15:14

used that... tactic as much

1:15:16

as liberals. This is not a

1:15:18

left-wing tactic. And it is true

1:15:21

that there are more injunctions

1:15:23

against the Trump administration,

1:15:25

but that's because the

1:15:28

Trump administration came in

1:15:30

extremely well prepared, extremely

1:15:32

well prepared, to issue an

1:15:34

immense amount of executive

1:15:36

orders from the Trump White

1:15:38

House to implement the agenda

1:15:41

that they had wanted to

1:15:43

implement. And usually

1:15:45

presidents get into office, and like

1:15:47

I said, they tend to be

1:15:49

interested in the continuity of the

1:15:51

status quo, and so you don't get

1:15:53

anywhere near the number of executive

1:15:55

orders. Charlie Kirk used the phrase

1:15:57

flooding the zone for these lawsuits.

1:16:00

That's what liberals have been

1:16:02

calling Trump's strategy, flood the

1:16:04

zone with so many executive

1:16:06

orders that you can't keep track of

1:16:08

them. So that's the reason. There's, it's

1:16:10

a reaction, it's an action and a

1:16:13

reaction. Here was Charlie Kirk, that was

1:16:15

Charlie Kirk saying we have to put

1:16:17

a stop to the federal district court

1:16:19

judges in joining our whole government

1:16:21

nationwide. Here he was on

1:16:23

July, in July of 2023,

1:16:25

reacting to the federal district

1:16:27

court's injunction of the. pressuring of

1:16:30

the big tech companies by the

1:16:32

Biden administration and Charlie Kirk said,

1:16:34

quote, instead of simply reporting the

1:16:36

facts that a federal judge just

1:16:39

delivered a blockbuster injunction in Missouri

1:16:41

versus Biden, blocking this administration from

1:16:43

outsourcing its censorship regime to social

1:16:45

media companies, the New York Times

1:16:48

spins it as, quote, a ruling

1:16:50

that could curtail efforts to fight

1:16:52

disinformation. Pure propaganda. I totally agree

1:16:54

with Charlie Kirk's sweet there. I

1:16:56

covered that New York Times framing.

1:16:59

I completely agree, I

1:17:01

celebrated that federal court

1:17:03

injunction because federal courts

1:17:05

have the power to enjoin the

1:17:07

government nationwide. The Biden

1:17:09

administration appealed that ruling to

1:17:11

the appellate court. They also lost

1:17:14

in the appellate court. The appellate

1:17:16

court said, by a three to zero decision,

1:17:18

this is one of the worst assaults

1:17:20

on the First Amendment we've

1:17:23

seen, and the government remains

1:17:25

enjoined from doing this. and

1:17:27

then they appealed to the Supreme

1:17:29

Court that by administration one,

1:17:31

mostly on quasi procedural

1:17:34

rounds. That's the way the court

1:17:36

system works, and it always has. Here

1:17:38

from the Toplofki-Smith law

1:17:40

firm in November of

1:17:42

2024, quote, federal court

1:17:44

permanently enjoins Biden parole

1:17:46

and place program for

1:17:48

undocumented spouses and stepchildren

1:17:50

of U.S. citizens. The

1:17:53

USCIS announces that it will cease to

1:17:55

accept and process applications under this program.

1:17:57

So the Biden administration put into program

1:17:59

for undocumented spouses and

1:18:02

children. Conservatives ran into federal

1:18:04

court, said it was unconstitutional and

1:18:06

illegal. The federal district court said

1:18:08

it was. The Biden administration says,

1:18:10

okay, we're gonna stop the program.

1:18:12

Here from the Washington Post, June

1:18:14

of 2024, courts grant injunction against

1:18:16

Biden's student loan repayment plan. Judges

1:18:19

in Kansas and Missouri issued rulings

1:18:21

Monday preventing the government from fully

1:18:23

implementing and forgiving any more loans

1:18:25

through the save program. And that,

1:18:27

of course... was a federal district

1:18:29

court judge, Trump, did that

1:18:31

video celebrating it. Here from

1:18:33

September of 2023, Phelps Dunbar, LLC,

1:18:36

the law firm issued a release. Texas District

1:18:38

Court judge enjoins President Biden's

1:18:40

$15 minimum wage for federal

1:18:43

contractors order. So the government

1:18:45

wanted to implement a policy that

1:18:47

if you want to have a contract with

1:18:49

the federal government, there's a requirement

1:18:52

of a $15 minimum wage. The Conservatives

1:18:54

ran into a federal court, got

1:18:56

a single federal district court judge,

1:18:59

to issue an injunction nationwide. They

1:19:01

all celebrated that. Here from the

1:19:03

law firm Sidley and Austin, August

1:19:05

2022, U.S. District Court enjoins the

1:19:07

Biden administration's nationwide oil and gas

1:19:09

leasing pause following the Fifth Circuit

1:19:11

remand. So the Biden administration, based

1:19:13

on the promise that they made

1:19:15

during the campaign, wanted to pause

1:19:17

oil drilling and gas leasing, and

1:19:20

conservatives ran into a federal court,

1:19:22

a single district court judge. got

1:19:24

persuaded to issue a nationwide injunction,

1:19:26

stopping Biden from doing so. Every

1:19:29

conservative celebrated. Nobody said, what do

1:19:31

you mean? A federal district court

1:19:33

judge can issue a nationwide injunction

1:19:35

stopping the government? Yes. Everyone

1:19:38

understands that's how it's always worked.

1:19:40

I understand there are more such

1:19:42

injunctions now, but that's because there

1:19:44

are more Trump executive orders now.

1:19:46

Ian Trump is not a status

1:19:48

quo president. He's a status quo

1:19:50

breaking president in a lot of ways. But... If

1:19:52

you want to complain about the number, complain about

1:19:54

the number. The principle though is cannot be challenged,

1:19:56

which is that of course a federal district court

1:19:58

judge has the right to issue nation. injunction stopping

1:20:01

a presidential policy they always have

1:20:03

had that power both sides have

1:20:05

used that power and celebrated

1:20:07

it repeatedly and now

1:20:09

suddenly they want to create a

1:20:11

new principle that federal district court

1:20:14

judges should not have this power because

1:20:16

it's not a Trump now in office and

1:20:18

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1:20:20

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1:20:23

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lot, which a lot of Israelis at

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they're fringe voices. They're nothing but

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cutting off food and water and

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electricity and medicine. So

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journalists in separate attacks in

1:22:47

Gaza, hear from anti-war.com, quote,

1:22:49

Israel strikes, Hasan Shabbat, a

1:22:51

reporter for Al Jazeera, and

1:22:53

Mohammed Mansour a correspondent

1:22:56

for Palestine today, for

1:22:58

Palestine today TV. Now, Hasan

1:23:00

Shaban in particular, we've had

1:23:02

a young Palestinian journalist on

1:23:05

our program who is a

1:23:07

correspondent for drop-site news, the

1:23:09

outlet founded by my former

1:23:11

colleagues and my friends Ryan

1:23:13

Grim and Jeremy Skaile that

1:23:15

has been doing excellent coverage on

1:23:17

the war in Gaza. He's

1:23:21

a Bakra Abed who you

1:23:23

probably remember, he's 22, speak

1:23:25

fluent English, wanted to go

1:23:27

into journalism before this whole

1:23:29

thing started because he wanted

1:23:32

to report on his favorite

1:23:34

sport, which is soccer, only to

1:23:36

have watched many, if not most,

1:23:38

members of the Palestinian soccer team

1:23:41

killed over the last year and

1:23:43

a half or so. And three days ago

1:23:45

or two days ago, he disappeared from

1:23:48

the internet. People got very

1:23:50

worried. And it turns out he

1:23:52

was suffering from severe malnutrition, which

1:23:54

is... There's no death worse than

1:23:57

when your body starts shutting down

1:23:59

because of... hunger, starving

1:24:01

to death is the most

1:24:03

painful death there is. Coming

1:24:05

here about a 22-year-old healthy

1:24:08

kid who, because of the

1:24:10

blockade of humanitarian aid

1:24:12

into Gaza, including food,

1:24:14

is suffering from malnutrition.

1:24:17

And I was so impressed by

1:24:19

him, he knows the danger of

1:24:21

what he's doing, he continues

1:24:23

to do it anyway. But

1:24:25

another journalist... A young journalist who's 24

1:24:28

Hasam Shabbat is somebody I've been following

1:24:30

very closely over the last 15 months

1:24:32

to get the news about what's happening

1:24:34

in Gaza. There's no foreign journalists allowed

1:24:37

in so we have to rely on

1:24:39

Gaza and Palestinian journalists where we have

1:24:41

no idea what's taking place in Gaza

1:24:43

except what the IDF would tell us

1:24:45

which is the opposite of reliable. And

1:24:47

Hasam Shabbat, the 24-year-old journalist

1:24:49

who's been reporting every day on

1:24:52

the destruction in Gaza, was driving

1:24:54

their car today. The IDF targeted

1:24:56

targeted his dropped

1:24:59

a bomb on it or a drone,

1:25:01

blew up the car, and killed

1:25:03

him instantly. And he

1:25:06

was also a colleague of

1:25:08

drop site. He had written

1:25:10

messages at drop site, and

1:25:12

he knew his life was

1:25:14

in danger. Everyone in Gaza

1:25:16

is in danger. It's a

1:25:19

country, a place of

1:25:21

two million people, and at

1:25:23

least 60,000 have died, at

1:25:25

least. There are every organization

1:25:27

that says that's an undercount.

1:25:30

So you're talking about three,

1:25:32

four, five percent of the

1:25:34

population extinguish with no end in

1:25:36

sight. But being a journalist

1:25:39

in particular has been extra

1:25:41

dangerous because Israel targets

1:25:43

the journalists because they are

1:25:45

dangerous to Israel because they

1:25:47

show the world what the Israelis

1:25:50

are doing. And so Hasan had

1:25:52

prepared a message, I don't know

1:25:54

exactly when, but... that he had asked

1:25:56

his colleagues and family to post in the

1:25:58

event that he was killed. and because he

1:26:00

was killed they now posted it here's what

1:26:03

it says quote if you're reading this it

1:26:05

means I have been killed most likely targeted

1:26:07

by the Israeli occupation forces when all this

1:26:09

began I was only 21 years old a

1:26:12

college student with dreams like anyone else for

1:26:14

the past 18 months I have dedicated every

1:26:16

moment of my life to my people I

1:26:18

documented the horrors in northern Gaza minute by

1:26:21

minute determined to show the world the truth

1:26:23

they tried to bury I slept on pavements

1:26:25

in schools, in tents, anywhere I could. Each

1:26:27

day was a battle for survival. I endured

1:26:30

hunger for months, yet I never left my

1:26:32

people's side. By God, I fulfilled my duty

1:26:34

as a journalist. I risked everything to report

1:26:37

the truth, and now I am finally at

1:26:39

rest, something I haven't known in the past

1:26:41

18 months. I did all this because I

1:26:43

believe in the Palestinian cause. I believe this

1:26:46

land is ours, and it has been the

1:26:48

highest honor of my life to die defending

1:26:50

it and serving its people. I ask

1:26:52

you now, do not stop speaking

1:26:55

about Gaza, do not let the

1:26:57

world look away. Keep fighting,

1:26:59

keep telling our stories until

1:27:02

Palestine is free. For the

1:27:04

last time, Asam Shabbat from

1:27:06

northern Gaza. Now, Western

1:27:09

journalists love to herald

1:27:11

themselves as brave and

1:27:13

heroic. Jim Acosta wrote that.

1:27:16

notorious book where he depicted

1:27:19

himself as some sort

1:27:21

of martyr. constantly in

1:27:23

danger because telling the truth in the

1:27:25

air of Trump was so dangerous.

1:27:27

And the only thing that ever

1:27:29

happened to him in his entire

1:27:31

career was Trump said a few

1:27:34

insulting side remarks about him. This

1:27:36

is actual courage. You're 24

1:27:38

years old. You have a stream of death

1:27:40

threats from the IDF saying if

1:27:43

you continue to do this reporting,

1:27:45

we're going to kill you. You've

1:27:47

seen hundreds of journalists in

1:27:49

Gaza be targeted with death.

1:27:51

And yet you continue to

1:27:54

do the work knowing that it's so

1:27:56

likely that you're going to

1:27:58

be targeted. with death that you

1:28:01

actually prepare a statement ahead

1:28:03

of time knowing that it's

1:28:05

likely to be released in

1:28:07

the event that you're killed? I

1:28:09

don't even need to tell you

1:28:12

what Israel's defense is. These are

1:28:14

all terrorists and Hamas

1:28:16

operatives. As we see with everything

1:28:18

in Colombia, if you protest

1:28:21

the Israeli war in Gaza, if you

1:28:23

denounce it, if you're a

1:28:25

effective critic of Israel. Automatically,

1:28:28

you're a terrorist and you're

1:28:30

pro-Hamaas. That's what those terms mean.

1:28:33

Here was the IDF October

1:28:35

23, 2004, just about five

1:28:37

months ago. Documents exposed six

1:28:39

Al Jazeera journalists as terrorists

1:28:42

and Hamas and Islamic Jihad

1:28:44

terror organizations, and one of the

1:28:46

people they listed was Osama Shabbat.

1:28:48

There you see the six journalists,

1:28:50

and he is in the lower

1:28:52

left-hand corner. Now,

1:28:56

the committee to protect journalists,

1:28:59

and there's been very

1:29:01

few Western journalistic

1:29:03

outlets objecting to any of this,

1:29:06

even though in every other instance

1:29:08

they would, you may remember that

1:29:10

a Wall Street Journal reporter

1:29:12

was detained in Russia for

1:29:15

about nine months, and they never

1:29:17

stopped talking about it. And I

1:29:19

don't blame them for that. That

1:29:21

was their duty, especially the Wall

1:29:24

Street Journal. And he was

1:29:26

released. Tuck Carlson, Evan

1:29:28

Gerskovich, yeah, the Tuck

1:29:30

Carlson went to interview Putin and

1:29:32

spent the last minute to the

1:29:35

interview battering Putin to release

1:29:37

him. So journalists do that. They

1:29:39

stand up for other journalists. Very

1:29:41

few, they'll have stood up for

1:29:43

the Gazan journalists who have been targeted

1:29:46

and killed by Israel because,

1:29:48

for obvious reasons. People are

1:29:50

very afraid to criticize Israel

1:29:52

in the United States. The

1:29:55

committee to protect

1:29:57

journalists though has done

1:29:59

so. somewhat

1:30:01

and Here is what

1:30:04

they released today. Journalists casualties

1:30:06

in the Israel-Gaza War. Quote,

1:30:08

as of March 24th, 2025,

1:30:10

CPJ's preliminary investigation showed at

1:30:12

least 133 journalists and media

1:30:15

workers were among the more

1:30:17

than tens of thousands killed

1:30:19

in Gaza, the West Bank,

1:30:21

Israel, and Lebanon since the

1:30:23

war began, making it the

1:30:26

deadliest period for journalists since

1:30:28

the CPJ began gathering data

1:30:30

in 1992. So more journalists

1:30:32

killed in this conflict

1:30:35

than any since thank

1:30:37

you since they've been

1:30:39

counting Tammy Bruce is

1:30:41

the Spokesperson for the

1:30:44

US State Department replacing

1:30:46

Matthew Miller those sounding

1:30:49

awful like him especially

1:30:51

when it comes to Israel

1:30:53

and We had the video

1:30:55

where she was asked today

1:30:57

about the killing of these

1:31:00

two journalists And essentially,

1:31:02

every time Israel does something horrific,

1:31:04

kills aid workers, foreign aid workers,

1:31:07

people with the UN, and this is

1:31:09

going back to the Biden administration as

1:31:11

well, there's complete continuity between

1:31:13

the Biden administration and the

1:31:15

Trump administration on this, the

1:31:18

State Department will say, oh

1:31:20

yeah, we really regretted it.

1:31:22

It's absolutely terrible. It's so

1:31:24

tragic. Yes, it's being done with our

1:31:26

money and our weapons. But

1:31:28

even though Israel

1:31:31

is the one

1:31:34

who keeps killing

1:31:37

these people, it's

1:31:39

all the fault somehow

1:31:42

of Hamas. Here's what

1:31:44

she said today. extensive

1:31:47

intelligence gathering and precise

1:31:49

munitions, Shabbat killed in

1:31:51

his car, Mansour in

1:31:54

his house, the committee

1:31:56

to protect journalists is

1:31:59

once... again noted that the

1:32:01

deliberate target killing of journalists is

1:32:03

a war crime. Do you have

1:32:06

any comment? I would say that

1:32:08

every single thing that's happening. is

1:32:10

a result of Hamas and its

1:32:13

choices to drag that region down

1:32:15

into a level of suffering that

1:32:18

has been excruciating and has caused

1:32:20

innumerable deaths and of course their

1:32:22

reaction on October 7th when there

1:32:25

was a ceasefire and people were

1:32:27

living in some relative peace they

1:32:30

decided to break that with an

1:32:32

atrocity that was just certainly the

1:32:34

most Jews killed in a single

1:32:37

framework than during the Holocaust. And

1:32:39

we also, I can tell you,

1:32:41

we stand by Israel and its

1:32:43

needs as it defends itself through

1:32:46

this period of time as we

1:32:48

also work with them so that

1:32:50

they don't need to defend themselves

1:32:52

from the barbarity of an entity

1:32:55

that has destroyed lives for generations

1:32:57

and continues to. So for everyone

1:32:59

who has, so many people. who

1:33:01

do so many jobs and who

1:33:04

have lived different lives and the

1:33:06

children and the babies who didn't

1:33:08

have a chance to seek their

1:33:10

fortunes or their life dreams because

1:33:12

of the barbarity of certain people

1:33:15

who think that murder is the

1:33:17

only way to move through life.

1:33:19

And I will tell you, I'm

1:33:21

not, I'm certainly, you know, I'm

1:33:23

not going to stand here and

1:33:26

declare what's a war crime and

1:33:28

what isn't. But what we do

1:33:30

know is a crime. is the

1:33:32

mass slaughter of any individuals, certainly

1:33:34

the targeting of people simply because

1:33:36

of who they are. That you

1:33:39

hatred is a signal regarding the

1:33:41

barbarity and the nature of who

1:33:43

it is you're dealing with. The

1:33:45

world knows that if you don't

1:33:47

stop it and don't confront it,

1:33:49

it bears its ugly face. It

1:33:51

will not stop. And that is

1:33:53

part of what this world now

1:33:55

has decided that when we say

1:33:57

never again, we mean never again.

1:33:59

Why not you here? Yes, sir. Go

1:34:02

ahead. I think one of the

1:34:04

most repulsive things that I

1:34:06

hear when I see the

1:34:08

U.S. government under Biden and

1:34:10

now Trump justifying every single

1:34:12

thing Israel does by appealing

1:34:15

to this never again slogan

1:34:17