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journalism should work. Going all the way

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back to when I created my blog

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back in 2005 and I would spend

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we're really happy that we've chosen on

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Friday night to institute this Q&A where

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we get questions from our local members

6:53

and we have an excellent sampling today

6:55

as we typically do. And let's get

6:57

right into it. The first one is

6:59

from Kevin Kottweiss and he wrote

7:01

this quote, what do you make

7:04

of the critique that Doge is

7:06

dismantling the old corrupt institutions? only

7:08

to replace it was something far

7:11

worse, a quote, tachnofutil system of

7:13

AI surveillance run by top oligarchs

7:15

with a hypercapitalist ideology in transhumanist

7:18

pseudo-religion. Do you think these people

7:20

could potentially mean more dangerous than

7:22

the neoliberal deep state? I think one

7:25

of the problems in talking about Doge is

7:27

that there, on the one hand, has been

7:29

not a lot of transparency in

7:31

terms of... what they've been doing. They've

7:33

tried to provide some transparency, some

7:36

of the information ended up unreliable

7:38

or inaccurate, which is, I guess,

7:40

to be expected when a brand

7:42

new government agency starts doing work that

7:44

has never really been done before, but

7:47

that has made it a little bit

7:49

difficult to get a reliable assessment of

7:51

what they're doing. And then on the

7:54

other hand, you have enormous amounts of

7:56

hysteria and histionics about what

7:58

they're doing as well. That has not

8:00

really been balanced by Doge explaining

8:03

or defending itself. Last night, Elon

8:05

Musk and key members of the

8:07

Doge team went on to Fox

8:09

News. About eight of them spent

8:11

30 to 35 minutes being questioned

8:13

by Fox Anchor Brett Bayer about

8:15

exactly what their work is. I

8:17

think it's really worth watching for

8:20

those of you who haven't seen

8:22

it. It gives a different impression

8:24

in terms of at least their

8:26

mindset. their methods, their objectives, and

8:28

has presented by the media. But

8:30

I still think it's a brand

8:32

new project that is extremely new

8:34

and deserves a lot of scrutiny

8:37

and not just blind to pause

8:39

because people of the on Moscow

8:41

of the Trump administration and want

8:43

to just therefore cheer for whatever

8:45

they're doing. I do think there's

8:47

also a critique that you can

8:49

want to cut. excess spending and

8:51

excess bureaucracy, which the US government

8:53

undoubtedly has. But at the same

8:56

time, if you do it recklessly,

8:58

you can produce a lot of

9:00

negative outcomes that you don't want

9:02

to produce. And I think Elon

9:04

felt like he's had success. And

9:06

he actually did. He went in

9:08

and cut something like 80% of

9:10

the workforce. I remember very well

9:13

that a bunch of tech experts

9:15

and media people were saying, oh,

9:17

Twitter's just going to stop working.

9:19

And it works as well as

9:21

it ever has. There's really no

9:23

operational disruption to it. And I'm

9:25

sure he's done that in other

9:27

companies before. The problem is that

9:30

the US government is a far

9:32

more complicated and far-reaching operation than

9:34

just say doing that to a

9:36

tech company. The worst that happens

9:38

if you cut too much in

9:40

a tech company is you just

9:42

hire people back when you cut

9:44

programs that are crucial to... people's

9:47

health and people's lives, including the

9:49

United States or the US government's

9:51

policies, then you can really do

9:53

a lot of damage. But as

9:55

for the broader critique, I think

9:57

this broader critique that the question

9:59

raises about, let's call it the

10:01

ideology of Silicon Valley. Which I

10:03

do think is aptly described as

10:06

being transhumanist having really kind of

10:08

a quasi religious view There was

10:10

just an interview with Bill Gates

10:12

Where he was asked whether he

10:14

thinks that humans are going to

10:16

become obsolete in terms of the

10:18

work that humanity does and the

10:20

work that the planet needs and

10:23

he basically said yeah, I think

10:25

most of this work that we

10:27

need done and do now will

10:29

be done by a combination of

10:31

AI and also Robots and humans

10:33

almost were talked about by him

10:35

as though they were as though

10:37

we were extraneous kind of unnecessary

10:40

almost besides the point just beings

10:42

that will lay around and I

10:44

don't know consume things and maybe

10:46

have leisure time but be liberated

10:48

from work because we're not really

10:50

competent to do work as well

10:52

as the technology that Silicon Valley

10:54

has been developing. And then when

10:56

Mark Zuckerberg was on Joe Rogan,

10:59

I actually had a two-hour root

11:01

canal and I listened to the

11:03

entire thing, I'm not sure which

11:05

was worse, but the view of

11:07

Mark Zuckerberg was very much that

11:09

not necessarily that human beings are

11:11

going to be eliminated, but that

11:13

we're gonna start merging with the

11:16

technology that they're developing. ways of

11:18

technologically drilling into our brain to

11:20

connect this kind of technology so

11:22

that our brains just automatically have

11:24

it. You don't need a device

11:26

anymore. He talked about experiments they're

11:28

all already doing for medical purposes

11:30

to cure paralysis or to try

11:33

and obviously achieve noble goals that

11:35

involve understanding the brain, how to

11:37

manipulate the brain, how to use

11:39

technology to merge it into the

11:41

brain, so that neurological functions can

11:43

be enhanced. Those kind of things

11:45

are obviously promising, but you can

11:47

very quickly see the dystopian vision.

11:49

that that might lead to and

11:52

I do think there has been

11:54

this kind of tachnofutal or transhumanist.

11:56

as the question I think aptly

11:58

described it, ideology that has become

12:00

pervasive in Silicon Valley. I just

12:02

don't know that I would attribute

12:04

all that to Doge. I'm not

12:06

sure it's Doge that is responsible

12:09

for that, or even after two

12:11

months being guided by that kind

12:13

of vision, I think they're more

12:15

about just kind of tearing out

12:17

parts of the government, which have

12:19

been a long-time dream of the

12:21

American right. Ronald Reagan talked about.

12:23

things like closing the Department of

12:26

Education and massively, and he just

12:28

could never get it done. And

12:30

whatever else you want to say

12:32

about the Trump administration, they did

12:34

come in with very clear plans,

12:36

very clear ideas of how they

12:38

wanted to do the things they

12:40

went and said about doing. So

12:42

this is always the case, always,

12:45

always the case. Anytime you have

12:47

a revolution, and I'm using this

12:49

term loosely, you can hate the

12:51

government and believe the government is

12:53

deeply corrupt and therefore support revolutionary

12:55

sentiments. and just uprooting a corrupt

12:57

government or a repressive government is

12:59

in and of itself worthwhile because

13:02

without a revolution you know it

13:04

will continue indefinitely. But there's always

13:06

the risk that the revolution replaces

13:08

the horrific status quo was something

13:10

worse. That's always a danger. And

13:12

that kind of creates a human

13:14

inertia. Let me just stick with

13:16

what I know. And I do

13:19

think that was... Part of the

13:21

sentiment that makes people fear Trump

13:23

is that he is and they

13:25

perceive him as being a radical

13:27

deviation from how things are being

13:29

done and even people dissatisfied with

13:31

the status quo are afraid of

13:33

change. I think human beings instinctively

13:35

and in general are afraid of

13:38

change. We always prefer bad things

13:40

that we're familiar with than the

13:42

unknown, which promises to be better

13:44

or to be worse, but just

13:46

the fact that it's unknown makes

13:48

us fear it more. And this

13:50

is always how I've seen Donald

13:52

Trump and there's several questions coming

13:55

up about Trump and what he's

13:57

done and how it aligns or

13:59

doesn't align with my... expectations, but

14:01

I've cited this quote many times

14:03

before the quote from Seymour Hirsch

14:05

that says that Trump basically acts

14:07

as a circuit breaker. So if

14:09

you look at the way Washington

14:12

works, controlled by massive corporations, by

14:14

corporatist interests, by the military industrial

14:16

complex, by the intelligence community, by

14:18

the posture of endless war, it

14:20

already has hollowed out the country,

14:22

put our country in trillions of

14:24

dollars worth of debt. has

14:27

made the United States be perceived

14:29

with great hostility in most places

14:31

around the world, made us rely

14:34

on constant military force and wars

14:36

and bombing campaigns as a way

14:38

to advance our national interest, has

14:40

been overwhelmingly oriented toward serving the

14:43

interest of large corporate interests at

14:45

the expense of pretty much everybody

14:47

else in the country. I mean,

14:49

this is part of the Magga

14:52

critique. So... If you believe that,

14:54

and I do, and if you

14:56

believe that that status quo has

14:58

been extremely destructive and corrupt as

15:01

I do, just say nothing of

15:03

all these relationships with global institutions

15:05

and the like, and the destruction

15:07

of credibility of most of our

15:10

institutions from science to media to

15:12

politics and essentially everything in between,

15:14

it's hard to say, oh, I

15:16

oppose something that will go and

15:19

just kind of smash it all

15:21

to pieces. Even if I don't

15:23

know what's going to be rebuilt

15:25

in its place, and it's possible

15:27

that what's rebuilt in his plate

15:30

might actually make those bad attributes

15:32

worse. But breaking things at least

15:34

creates an opportunity. There's opportunity in

15:36

chaos, there's opportunity in change. And

15:39

so the four might be lower,

15:41

but the ceiling is much, much

15:43

higher. And I'm not willing to

15:45

say yet that those... specifically or

15:48

the Trump movement in general is

15:50

accelerating our path to technofutilism or

15:52

transhumanism. I think that's a path

15:54

we've been on because of... how

15:57

influential Silicon Valley has become. And,

15:59

but I also will say that

16:01

one of the things that I

16:03

do think has gotten overlooked because

16:06

Maga and Trump have so hyped

16:08

this idea that they're opposed to

16:10

the military intelligence complex, the intelligence

16:12

community is we kind of have

16:15

a changing of the guard of

16:17

the military industrial complex. So maybe

16:19

like Boeing is out and. Raytheon

16:21

is out and Lockheed Martin is

16:23

out, although I haven't seen much

16:26

of that, but maybe they're coming

16:28

out, but then you have just

16:30

these newer versions, like Palantir, which

16:32

is inextricably linked to the intelligence

16:35

community, has become a critical essential

16:37

part of the Trump administration. They

16:39

are the leaders in things like

16:41

mass surveillance, launching wars. Just go

16:44

listen to Alex Karp. and go

16:46

read an article he's written or

16:48

an interview where he conducted or

16:50

go watch one and you'll see

16:53

what that agenda is and people

16:55

like him are extremely embedded into

16:57

the Trump administration and I do

16:59

think that's a serious danger. I

17:02

just think after two months hitting

17:04

the panic button or drawing very

17:06

widespread wide-ranging conclusions I think is

17:08

premature despite the fact that I

17:11

think those dangers are real but

17:13

I think the potential is real

17:15

as well. All right, the next

17:17

question is from the millman who

17:19

asked, hey Glenn, do you think

17:22

the pro-Palestinian protest would have gained

17:24

more magga sympathy? if they were

17:26

also explicitly against funding the Ukraine

17:28

war, just wondering because I've come

17:31

to believe that appealing to people's

17:33

consciences is not effective, particularly when

17:35

the media is against your cause,

17:37

it just comes off as moralizing

17:40

without the drumbeat of propaganda on

17:42

your side. So maybe a broader

17:44

anti-interventionist protest that unites left and

17:46

right might have been more effective.

17:49

What more of a, quote, what

17:51

good does it do us ordinary

17:53

Americans to have all these people

17:55

killed movement? Quote, are we safer,

17:58

are we richer? I

18:00

think it's a very interesting

18:02

point and I would say

18:04

that question describes the approach

18:06

that I have been trying

18:08

to take myself in my

18:10

own journalism and kind of

18:12

the areas that I have

18:14

focused on this kind of

18:16

common ground between populist left

18:19

and populist right and anti-establishment

18:21

right which includes not only

18:23

opposition to the US financing

18:25

and arming the Israeli destruction

18:27

of Gaza, but also the

18:29

US financing and fueling the

18:31

war in Ukraine, the general

18:33

militaristic war, endless war pot

18:35

sure that the United States

18:37

is on that I think

18:39

does no Americans any good

18:41

except for a tiny sliver

18:43

of elites who run these

18:45

industries that profit so much

18:47

at everybody else's expense. And

18:49

so I do think that

18:51

had these protests been more

18:53

generalized against the US war

18:55

machine. and heightened Ukraine as

18:57

an example as well, it

18:59

may have attracted a broader

19:01

base of support. But let

19:03

me just say a couple

19:05

things about that. Because I'm

19:07

not entirely sure in this

19:09

case if that's true. I

19:11

understand it in theory. I

19:13

think it has potential, but

19:15

I think it's so important

19:17

not to underestimate the enormous

19:19

hold that Israel has on...

19:21

large swaths of our political

19:23

spectrum. And not just our

19:25

political spectrum, but American conservatism

19:28

and even large parts of

19:30

magga. In fact, it is

19:32

often the case, I really

19:34

do believe, that a lot

19:36

of the sentiments in defense

19:38

of Israel are even stronger

19:40

than the sentiments in defense

19:42

of the United States. And

19:44

one of the things I

19:46

obviously if you go back

19:48

and read The Israel lobby

19:50

by John Meersheimer and Stephen

19:52

Walt from 2007. It details

19:54

a lot of that. But

19:56

I think one of the

19:58

things that has happened. is,

20:00

I see this in Brazil,

20:02

I'll just explain in Brazil.

20:04

In Brazil, Brazil used to

20:06

be an overwhelming Catholic country,

20:08

the largest Catholic country in

20:10

the world, and it still

20:12

is very Catholic, at least

20:14

in the sense of who

20:16

identifies as a Catholic, but

20:18

Catholics tend not to be

20:20

particularly devout or driven by

20:22

religion, it's just kind of

20:24

a... religion of Brazil like

20:26

Christianity is the religion of

20:28

the United States. Some people

20:30

are very devout, but by

20:32

and large it would be

20:34

a secular society with kind

20:36

of Christian informed values or

20:39

Catholic informed values. But over

20:41

the last three or four

20:43

decades there's been this emergence

20:45

of a very passionate and

20:47

intense evangelical movement. There's always

20:49

been evangelicals around, but it's

20:51

only quite recently where evangelicals

20:53

have been convinced that one

20:55

of their highest religious duties

20:57

is to politically support Israel

20:59

and support everything it does

21:01

and want to fund it

21:03

with great enthusiasm. So if

21:05

you go to a protest

21:07

or a march or demonstration

21:09

organized by the Brazilian right,

21:11

you'll see at least as

21:13

many Israel flags as you

21:15

will. Brazilian flags because Israel

21:17

plays such a central role,

21:19

central role, defining central role

21:21

in how right-wing evangelical politics

21:23

are expressed. In fact, there's

21:25

this, uh, just as a

21:27

side note, there's this interesting

21:29

anecdote where there's this, uh,

21:31

uh, drug gang, this drug

21:33

gang, that kind of rules,

21:35

lipobellas, they constantly fight for

21:37

expansion. And the head of

21:39

this gang is devoutly evangelical

21:41

demands that everybody in his

21:43

communities that he runs be

21:45

evangelical and he united a

21:48

bunch of the communities that

21:50

he gained power over and

21:52

he called it the complex

21:54

of Israel and all over

21:56

the place there are stars

21:58

of David and his... really

22:00

flags, they use the uniforms

22:02

of the IDF. That is how

22:04

central Israel has become in

22:06

the evangelical mindset. And

22:08

so if you look at a major part

22:10

of the US Congress, obviously

22:13

you have American Jews who

22:15

are inculcated from birth to

22:17

revere Israel, and then you

22:19

have national security hawks, you

22:21

just see Israel as an

22:23

important instrument or extension of

22:25

American power, but you also

22:28

have... Huge parts of the

22:30

Maga movement that are composed

22:32

of evangelicals who will tell

22:34

you outright. They don't want to give money

22:36

to any other country in the world.

22:39

They don't want to defend any

22:41

other country in the world except

22:43

for Israel, and that's because God

22:45

has mandated that they defend Israel.

22:47

Some of them believe that Israel

22:49

has to be unified under the control

22:52

of the Jews for the Messiah to

22:54

return, at which time he will actually consign

22:56

all Jews because they don't... accept

22:58

the divinity of Jesus to eternal

23:00

damnation, but Jews are happy to

23:03

accept that support because they don't

23:05

actually believe that will happen. But

23:07

others just have a more generalized

23:09

view of the Book of Exodus

23:11

and some of the chapters of

23:13

what we call the Old Testament that

23:16

God promised Israel to the Jews

23:18

and said that whoever defends and

23:20

supports and blesses the Jewish

23:22

people in Israel will themselves

23:24

be blessed. So when I met a

23:26

genuine religious conviction, or

23:28

on the part of being

23:31

evangelicals, or a deeply

23:33

embedded, extremely indoctrinated

23:37

identification with Israel

23:39

among American Jews,

23:41

then it isn't so easy to

23:44

just say, oh yeah, they're

23:46

going to start being okay

23:48

with these protests against the

23:51

Israeli destruction of God,

23:53

as long as we just throw

23:55

Ukraine in as well. in people when

23:57

you talk about this issue it's unlike

23:59

Like almost any other. For a

24:02

lot of people, this is the

24:04

red line. The single greatest issue.

24:06

And not a small number of

24:08

people. A large number of people.

24:11

Now, obviously there's a lot of

24:13

Jews who are highly critical of

24:15

Israel. They participated and let the

24:18

protests. Obviously, this show hosted by

24:20

myself is highly critical of Israel,

24:22

and I was taught all the

24:24

same things about Israel that other

24:27

American Jews were from birth. And

24:29

they're evangelicals who don't mix their

24:31

religion with their politics, especially in

24:33

form. But I'm saying in general,

24:36

it is such a dominant issue.

24:38

You can pretty much in these

24:40

factions take any position at all,

24:43

and they'll be fine with it.

24:45

You can disagree with them about

24:47

this, and they will write you

24:49

off. Because this, this foreign country,

24:52

is the highest and most sacred

24:54

duty. And it's so ironic that

24:56

there's so many people who identify

24:58

as America first for whom this

25:01

is true. Obviously, huge parts of

25:03

Maga in America first don't see

25:05

Israel this way, but many, many

25:08

of them do. The other problem

25:10

is that a lot of people

25:12

on the left, broadly speaking, by

25:14

the left I kind of mean

25:17

that just like the left. during

25:19

the Democratic Party. I don't mean

25:21

like the hardcore leftist who would

25:23

never support the Democratic Party. I

25:26

mean like the mainstream people who

25:28

are called left, like the Bernie

25:30

Sanders, AOC, even a little inward

25:33

toward the mainstream, get called the

25:35

left. They unanimously almost overwhelmingly support

25:37

Ukraine and support the NATO war

25:39

in Ukraine and want the United

25:42

States to continue to fund it.

25:44

So if you were to introduce

25:46

a Ukraine element. into these protests,

25:48

it would alienate a huge number

25:51

of people who don't support that

25:53

at all. These should combine. I

25:55

absolutely agree that opposing the US

25:58

financing and funding and arming and

26:00

diplomatic protection of Israel. should lead

26:02

you to the conclusion that the

26:04

US should stop doing the same

26:07

thing with respect to Ukraine. Now

26:09

obviously people would say oh they're

26:11

totally different Ukraine is the aggressor

26:14

and you Israel is the aggressor

26:16

and Ukraine is the victim of

26:18

an aggression so we should defend

26:20

the victim of aggression which is

26:23

Ukraine. I mean you obviously people

26:25

have a different view on that

26:27

as well but it's just a

26:29

very difficult it's a difficult group

26:32

of views to mix because it

26:34

would alienate so many people one

26:36

way or the other and I'm

26:39

not sure that if the focus

26:41

was on Israel or Israel was

26:43

a major part it would really

26:45

become tolerable for all those people

26:48

for whom Israel plays such a

26:50

vital role. And then I guess

26:52

the last thing I would say

26:54

about this is that I really

26:57

don't think you compare the war

26:59

in Ukraine to the war on

27:01

Gaza. They're not even remotely comparable.

27:04

in terms of civilians killed, in

27:06

terms of the destruction that it's

27:08

raw, that it's ushering in, in

27:10

terms of the humanitarian crimes and

27:13

the atrocities and the war criminality.

27:15

I mean, I really think that

27:17

the Israelis are doing in Gaza,

27:19

especially with the resumption now of

27:22

this bombing campaign when there was

27:24

barely anything up to bomb, just

27:26

the absolute indiscriminate slaughter and killing.

27:29

the complete destruction of civilian life

27:31

in Gaza, blowing up every hospital,

27:34

every university. And I know all

27:36

the arguments, Hamas was there, etc.

27:38

But I think that what we're

27:41

witnessing in Gaza is by far

27:43

the worst atrocity, certainly of the

27:46

century, and I could make a

27:48

case in my lifetime. I mean,

27:50

try not to be too maximalist

27:53

about it. There's a recency bias.

27:55

There's been a lot of massacres

27:57

and slaughters. I in the last

28:00

several decades, but I would certainly

28:02

say that about this century because

28:04

there's just zero constraints of any

28:07

kind that are observed. Zero regard

28:09

for human life among Palestinians, zero.

28:11

And it's been so sustained, the

28:14

Gaza are basically helpless, they don't

28:16

have an army, they don't have

28:18

NATO behind them, they don't have

28:21

aircraft being shipped to them. They

28:23

have very primitive weapons that make

28:26

them able sort of to fight

28:28

a guerrilla campaign, but not to

28:30

guard against. It's basically a sitting

28:33

duck population, a helpless population. So

28:35

I understand why people felt a

28:37

particular need to go out and

28:40

protest that, especially because our government

28:42

is who was paying for it,

28:44

who was arming it, who was

28:47

diplomatically shielding it. So it's a

28:49

complicated question, but I do wish

28:51

a lot. that people would be

28:54

more open to the idea that

28:56

there really are huge common ground

28:58

among left-wing populace or right-wing populace.

29:01

And the problem is that people

29:03

on the right, including right-wing populists,

29:06

are taught to hate anything on

29:08

the left, and left-wing populace are

29:10

taught to hate anything on the

29:13

right. And that was why my

29:15

attempt to examine and foster this

29:17

common ground on issues like trade

29:20

and... War and intelligence community and

29:22

military industrial complex and Corporateism alienated

29:24

so many people on the left

29:27

because the idea that there could

29:29

be anybody on the right who

29:31

has views that they would want

29:34

to That they could connect to

29:36

or that they could work with

29:38

is so anathema To how people

29:41

have been indoctrinated to think and

29:43

just stay over here in their

29:46

separate corners And so yes, I

29:48

wish there was a lot more

29:50

thinking along this lines, but unfortunately

29:53

we're pretty far away from that

29:55

As Glenn I was wrong about

29:57

Trump and what he would do

30:00

I disbelieve the mainstream news media

30:02

depiction that Trump was a severe

30:04

threat to democracy can you that

30:07

you misjudge Trump. All of that

30:09

is way too sleeping, I think,

30:11

to, with respect to, to be

30:14

able to just say yes or

30:16

no to. I understand the sentiment.

30:18

I guess I would acknowledge that

30:21

some of the methods and tactics

30:23

that the Trump administration has resorted

30:26

to almost immediately has surprised me

30:28

just in terms of how extreme

30:30

they are. Like deporting Korean cardholders

30:33

who are married to American citizens

30:35

or PhD students because they were

30:37

not bad against Israel Creating this

30:40

framework that Anybody should be afraid

30:42

of criticizing Israel because the US

30:44

government is showing that they will

30:47

punish you and it's not just

30:49

foreign citizens either by the way

30:51

It's also Americans as well the

30:54

Trump administration when they submitted their

30:56

demands to Colombia demanded that Colombia

30:58

as a condition to even talking

31:01

about receiving the funding that was

31:03

frozen, they required them to suspend,

31:06

severely suspend or expel everybody who

31:08

participated in any way in the

31:10

protest against the Israeli war in

31:13

Gaza. And as a result, Americans,

31:15

American-born Americans, have been expelled because

31:17

the government demanded it. The government

31:20

has also demanded the introduction and

31:22

implementation of a radically expanded definition

31:24

of anti-Semitism that makes you in

31:27

violation of campus rules if you

31:29

criticize Israel in a way that

31:31

this radical definition that has been

31:34

adopted in the EU that was

31:36

promulgated by Israel renders prohibited. So

31:38

it's not just foreign students who

31:41

are being deported, it's also American

31:43

institutions, American academia, American academia, American

31:45

students who are being punished. by

31:48

this attempt to really outlaw and

31:50

criminalize and intimidate people out of

31:53

criticizing Israel. So that is one

31:55

that I did not expect them

31:57

to do, but at the same

32:00

time, you can look at other

32:02

things that they're doing that are

32:04

shocking to me. Like invoking the

32:07

Alien Enemies Act to try and

32:09

proclaim that the US is in

32:11

war, at war, with a small,

32:14

violent group of thugs and gang

32:16

members from Venezuela, we're at war,

32:18

like we were in World War

32:21

I or World War II, or

32:23

the war of 1812, so that

32:25

you can now... invoke wartime powers

32:28

enacted in the late 18th century

32:30

that has barely been enacted throughout

32:33

American history and then even when

32:35

it was the people who they

32:37

wanted to deport got hearings to

32:40

be able to demonstrate that they

32:42

weren't actually Nazi sympathizers, weren't actually

32:44

threats to the national security, and

32:47

the Trump administration is not just

32:49

They're not deporting them at all

32:51

deporting me and sending them back

32:54

to their home. They're deporting them

32:56

quote unquote By throwing them into

32:58

a uniquely repressive abusive prison in

33:01

El Salvador paying for them to

33:03

be in prison being kept there

33:05

Indefently to the point where El

33:08

Salvador saying they may stay here

33:10

for life all without a shred

33:13

of due process for them to

33:15

stay wait a minute. You got

33:17

I'm not the person you think

33:20

I am It's a case of

33:22

mistaken identity or you misread my

33:24

tattoos some process to make sure

33:27

that we're not imprisoning for life,

33:29

people who are totally innocent. And

33:31

so I do think, I will

33:34

acknowledge that the speed of this

33:36

stuff and the aggression with which

33:38

it's carried out did surprise me.

33:41

I probably would have said I

33:43

don't think the Trump administration would

33:45

do that at all, or certainly

33:48

not. As quickly as they've done

33:50

at the same time, they have

33:53

Trump said repeatedly on the campaign

33:55

trail. That he would

33:57

do this you can watch speeches where he says

33:59

I'm gonna invoke the alien enemies act and mass

34:01

deport people and we're going to

34:04

go after foreign students and revoke

34:06

their visas who participated in protest

34:08

against Israel. So I think these

34:10

things are anti-democratic I think they're

34:12

a violation of the Bill of Rights

34:15

I expect or at least hope and

34:17

I would say expect at least in

34:19

some cases that are federal courts including

34:21

the Supreme Court will rule that

34:23

some of these things are violation of

34:25

the Constitution. What I have problem with

34:27

this is binary assessment

34:30

that Trump is a severe threat

34:32

to democracy because you can

34:35

look at the Biden administration

34:38

and I do think many things

34:40

that they did including their

34:43

systemic campaign to have the

34:45

CIA and homeland security

34:48

and the NIH bully in pressure

34:50

and coerce big tact to

34:53

ban dissent from their

34:55

pronouncements on things like

34:57

COVID and Ukraine. as unconstitutional

35:00

and as severe of a threat

35:02

to our bill of rights as

35:04

anything the Trump administration is doing.

35:06

I don't think you can say one is

35:09

worse than the next. So I'm still, you

35:11

know, again, we're two months into

35:13

the administration, two months, just a

35:15

little over. And I don't think I've been

35:17

coy about the serious alarm that

35:20

I have about many of the

35:22

things the Trump administration has been

35:24

doing. Reinitiating the war in

35:26

Gaza. restarting and then

35:28

escalating the bombing campaign in

35:30

Yemen using rules of engagement

35:33

that assign almost zero value

35:35

to civilian life in Yemen. To

35:37

say nothing of these deportations,

35:39

these attacks on American institutions,

35:41

I think the attempt to

35:43

force law firms to restructure their pro

35:46

bono program to promise hundreds

35:48

of millions of dollars of

35:50

free work in defense of

35:52

the Trump administration demanding that

35:55

they do pro bono work on

35:57

anti-Semitism specifically like a DEA program

35:59

just today, earlier today, Scott and

36:01

Arps, one of the biggest most

36:04

powerful firms on the planet, that

36:06

wasn't even targeted yet with

36:08

an executive order by

36:10

Trump, but preemptively reached

36:13

an agreement with the White House

36:15

that was chilling and creepy, where

36:17

they're promising not to do

36:19

certain kind of pro bono

36:21

work, promising to do other types,

36:23

in a way that aligns with

36:26

Trump's political agenda, forcing major

36:28

law firms. to submit to

36:30

and promise to work for

36:33

free for Trump's political vision.

36:35

I do think a lot of

36:37

these things are creepy and

36:39

threatening an anti-democratic,

36:42

but I also did shows

36:44

before the election several on

36:46

how many... people on the right,

36:49

many in the Trump circle who

36:51

proclaim to believe in free speech,

36:53

actually have a gigantic Israel exception.

36:55

I did a entire show on

36:57

what the likely influence of Miriam

37:00

Adelson's $100 million of the Trump

37:02

campaign would be. I highlighted how

37:04

Trump officials and people around him

37:06

were valing to deport students for

37:09

the crime of criticizing Israel,

37:11

protesting Israel. So it's not

37:13

like my vision of Trump

37:16

pre-election was this kind of...

37:18

anti-war pacifist, fully devoted offender

37:20

free speech and civil liberties,

37:23

there's obvious dangers to Trump.

37:25

I just think that the

37:27

rhetoric of depicting Biden or

37:29

George W. Bush or Obama

37:31

as these kind of beacons of

37:34

nobility and devotees of American

37:37

democracy in contrast to

37:39

Trump, who's just this anti-democratic monster,

37:41

unlike the thing we've ever seen

37:43

before, I think that is what

37:46

has been wildly overblown and I

37:48

still think that. Despite the fact

37:50

that I'm certainly willing to admit that,

37:52

you know, president stand up all the time

37:54

or candidate stand up all the time and

37:56

valid do things on the campaign trail and

37:59

then don't do them. As I said, I'm

38:01

willing to admit that it has

38:03

surprised me, not just the velocity,

38:05

but the intensity, the extremism, the

38:07

aggression with which they're carrying out

38:09

what I regard is obvious assaults

38:11

on the Bill of Rights. And

38:14

the way in which Trump supporters

38:16

are willing to basically say or

38:18

do anything to justify anything that

38:20

the administration does, I mean, it

38:22

took them eight weeks. It took

38:24

MAGA eight weeks to go from

38:26

what they had been saying for

38:28

years. No more Middle East wars.

38:31

F. the military industrial complex. No

38:33

more endless work. Keep that money

38:35

here at home for our own

38:37

citizens. And then Trump restarts Biden's

38:39

bombing campaign of Yemen, even though

38:41

in 2024, Trump said he opposed

38:43

Biden's bombing of Yemen. And that

38:45

was when the Houthis were actually

38:48

attacking US ships. They're not attacking

38:50

US ships now, but Trump. Greenlet

38:52

the massive escalation and bombing of

38:54

them killing lots of civilians and

38:56

suddenly Baga is like yeah, take

38:58

those take them down like to

39:00

do such an about face of

39:02

the things that you say You

39:05

believed in Have some integrity like

39:07

have some duty as a citizen

39:09

Even if you support your leader

39:11

still even if you love him

39:13

even if you want him to

39:15

be straight and stand up and

39:17

say when you think he's doing

39:19

something against what you said your

39:21

values are. Same with the censorship

39:24

thing. I can't tell you how

39:26

many times a day I hear

39:28

Trump supporters saying only American citizens

39:30

have rights under the Constitution, no

39:32

matter how much you show them,

39:34

that the Supreme Court has said

39:36

for 150 years or more that

39:38

everybody under US government control, including

39:41

even illegal aliens, but certainly people

39:43

in the United States, have the

39:45

protections of the Bill of Rights.

39:47

They'll never stop saying it because

39:49

they need to say it to

39:51

defend what Trump is doing. Going

39:55

from we love free speech free

39:57

speech is the most important thing

39:59

to yeah get these Israel critics

40:01

out of our country punish the

40:03

colleges and universities that allow too

40:05

much Israel criticism punish American citizens

40:07

who are students if they protest

40:09

against Israel and then you just

40:11

turn on a dime and I'm

40:13

like yeah censorship that kind of

40:15

censorship that's really good but it

40:17

goes back to what I was

40:19

saying before about the primacy of

40:21

Israel but also the willingness not

40:23

of all Trump supporters or not

40:25

of all maggab supporters and not

40:27

even all Democrats. to justify everything

40:29

their party and their president is

40:32

doing, but this is typically how

40:34

our politics works. My first experience

40:36

with that was, you know, I

40:38

started blogging in 2005 and my

40:40

focus almost exclusively was on denouncing

40:42

Bush and Cheney and the Neocons

40:44

and their civil liberties assault on

40:46

under the war on terror and

40:48

I built up this huge audience,

40:50

primarily some libertarians. Good number of

40:52

libertarians, but primarily Democrats and Liberals,

40:54

who just were so happy somebody

40:56

was vocally denouncing Bush and Cheney

40:58

on these issues. And in 2009

41:00

comes that Obama gets inaugurated and

41:02

he continues a lot of these

41:04

same programs he vowed to uproot

41:06

that I had been criticizing and

41:09

even strengthens and extends some of

41:11

them beyond where even Bush and

41:13

Cheney took them. And I've obviously

41:15

continued to criticize Obama and the

41:17

same grounds that I had been

41:19

criticizing Bush and Cheney for the

41:21

same policies. And I'm not saying

41:23

anyone is above that, but I'm

41:25

above it. It's a human instinct.

41:27

We're very tribal. Why are you

41:29

talking Obama? That was my first

41:31

real experience with how people's partisan

41:33

brains are willing to get them

41:35

to abandon even their own passionately

41:37

held beliefs. And I'm not saying

41:39

anyone is above that, but I'm

41:41

above it. It's a human instinct.

41:43

We're very tribal by nature. We

41:46

develop tribalistically. We think tribalistically, but

41:48

part of the challenge of being

41:50

a... Human being with some degree

41:52

of critical thought and intellectual independence

41:54

and integrity is doing your best

41:56

to avoid succumbing to tribalism and

41:58

reason for yourself. and think for

42:00

yourself about what your government is

42:02

doing. All right, next question is

42:04

Malagro who says, I'm really worried

42:06

that Trump's lack of integrity with

42:08

relation to Gaza will blow up

42:10

his presidency and therefore our country

42:12

to smithereens. When you're fighting such

42:14

nefarious forces, clarity and honesty become

42:16

essential for your own protection. So

42:18

sad and scary. Yeah, and you

42:20

look, this is, let's go back

42:22

to a couple of the other

42:25

questions about Trump. Let's remember. That

42:27

it was Joe Biden who for

42:29

15 months Biden and Harris that

42:31

administration That unconditionally supported everything Israel

42:33

did occasionally Gave a few nods

42:35

to the fact that maybe they

42:37

should be a little more careful

42:39

with civilian casualties when they blow

42:41

up aid workers They would say

42:43

like yeah, we think they need

42:45

to be more careful But we

42:47

funded the entire war Joe Biden

42:49

flew to Tel Aviv met with

42:51

that Yahoo on October 10th and

42:53

said the United States will stand

42:55

behind you and whatever you think

42:57

you need to do will fund

42:59

you. We promise you are unabashed

43:02

and unlimited commitment. That's exactly what

43:04

Biden has proceeded to do. And

43:06

they would often say we're working

43:08

tirelessly on a ceasefire but never

43:10

got one. There was one early

43:12

on for about, I think it

43:14

was six weeks, not even, where

43:16

there was some exchange of hostages

43:18

and and... people held in, Israeli

43:20

dungeons with no due process, and

43:22

then it resumed, and that was

43:24

always the case. But they never

43:26

got near a ceasefire, and then

43:28

Trump comes in with Steve Woodcough,

43:30

who very aggressively demands that the

43:32

Israeli stop, and there was a

43:34

ceasefire that the Palestinian celebrated. So

43:36

that's the sort of thing that

43:39

I do think Trump still has

43:41

in him. The problem is, is

43:43

that on almost every issue, the

43:45

Trump administration is filled with people

43:47

with very differing views, very differing

43:49

ideologies. on how to

43:51

confront China or Ukraine, on domestic

43:53

policy, but there's... almost no person

43:55

in the Trump administration, certainly on

43:57

anybody who has high level, that

43:59

he listens to, that he cares

44:01

about, who is not an ardent

44:03

Israel loyalist, not one. And then

44:05

you have the fact that, I

44:07

think this is such an important

44:09

point to realize too, is let's

44:11

remember that Donald Trump wasn't only

44:13

running for president. He was running

44:15

to stay out of prison for

44:17

life. Had Donald Trump lost the

44:19

election in 2024, there's absolutely no

44:21

doubt in my mind that the

44:23

Democrats would have put him in

44:25

prison in prison. They had four

44:27

different felony cases against him, one

44:29

of which they already got a

44:31

guilty verdict in Manhattan and three

44:33

others that would have allowed them

44:35

to convict him under the Espyana.

44:37

They wanted to put Donald Trump

44:39

in prison for a very long

44:41

time, certainly for life. And Trump

44:44

was desperate to win. He was

44:46

willing to do what he had

44:48

to to win. So on Mary

44:50

Adelson comes to him and says,

44:52

yeah, I'll give you all the

44:54

money you need as long as

44:56

you promise A, B, B, C,

44:58

D, D, and E, and E,

45:00

and E, for Israel, for Israel,

45:02

for Israel. Fanatics, by the way,

45:04

originally aligned with Ron DeSantis, who

45:06

is a far more true believer

45:08

in Israel than Trump is. Go

45:10

look at all the loudest APAC

45:12

voices and the Israel loyalists, and

45:14

you'll see that almost without exception,

45:16

they supported Ron DeSantis and his

45:18

candidacy, and it was only once

45:20

it became apparent that Ron DeSantis

45:22

had no political charisma, that there

45:24

was no way he could be

45:26

Trump, couldn't even get close. Did

45:28

they all migrate to Trump to

45:30

try and have influence in his

45:32

royal court? And that was when

45:34

huge numbers of those people started

45:36

to get close to Trump and

45:38

then had Miriam Middleton and other

45:40

people too, not just her, but

45:42

a long time Israel supporter is

45:44

giving tens of millions of dollars

45:46

as well. And Trump is captive

45:48

for them and he's going to

45:50

do what they want. Remember as

45:52

well that Trump's daughter, his favorite

45:54

child by all accounts. Ifanka Trump

45:56

herself is Jewish, she converted because

45:58

she's married to Jared Kushner, who's

46:00

an orthodox Jew, who has... family

46:03

has given massive amounts of money

46:05

to Israel, not just to Israel

46:07

but to the most extremist parts,

46:09

to projects to expand settlements in

46:11

the West Bank. So he's surrounded

46:13

by this view everywhere he turns

46:15

and so the idea that he's

46:17

going to resist it I think

46:19

is very difficult to imagine, but

46:21

again the Democrats are also completely

46:23

captive to the Israel as well

46:25

and I think you saw in

46:27

Trump with that ceasefire the capacity

46:29

to deviate. I

46:32

don't know, I'm not sure how

46:34

much Americans so far care about

46:36

what's being done in Gaza. I

46:39

do think it's interesting that you're

46:41

seeing a massive change of public

46:44

opinion in the United States, especially

46:46

among young people, but not only,

46:48

migrating away from supporting Israel. And

46:51

if the Trump administration persists and

46:53

telling people they can't criticize Israel,

46:56

they have to pay for Israel's

46:58

wars, constantly talking about Israel. Not

47:01

only do I think that could be

47:03

a political problem for Trump and the

47:05

Republicans, I actually think that it could

47:08

risk seriously increasing anti-Semitism. At some point,

47:10

as I've talked about before, we were

47:12

going to say, wait a minute, why

47:14

are we not allowed to talk about

47:17

this country? Why are people being deported

47:19

who are law-abiding? Productive members of society,

47:21

PhDs and Fulbright scholars and physicians and

47:23

specialists and kidney transplants? Why are we

47:25

deporting those kind of people because they

47:28

criticize not our own country, but this

47:30

foreign country? Why are we sending billions

47:32

and billions and billions all the time

47:34

to the to the to Israel? I

47:37

think there is a danger of that

47:39

and Yesterday in the Senate a lawyer

47:41

named Kenneth Stern who has worked his

47:43

whole life in Jewish organizations like the

47:46

American Jewish Congress He wrote books on

47:48

combating anti-Semitism, but he believes that anti-Semitism

47:50

is being exploited to prevent

47:52

people from criticizing Israel and he was

47:55

making that point in Josh Holly who

47:57

does not have history of being a

47:59

Jewish scholar of anti-Semitism to put it

48:01

mildly started screaming over him saying he

48:04

didn't care about Jews he doesn't want

48:06

to protect Jews on campus the guy

48:08

who has worked his whole life in

48:11

Jewish organizations who's being screamed up by

48:13

Josh Holly for saying wait a minute

48:15

I don't think we should be censoring

48:18

for Israel and his argument was that

48:20

is what increases anti-Semitism it feeds into

48:22

what had been longstanding anti-Semitic as we

48:24

call them that oh Jews have secret

48:27

control over countries and they dictate to

48:29

these countries what they should do and

48:31

the more you feed into that the

48:34

more anti-Semitism you're going to increase he

48:36

said and I certainly agree with that

48:38

also and I think people who are

48:41

going way overboard with trying to shield

48:43

Israel by attacking the free speech rights

48:45

and civil liberties rights of the United

48:47

States by insisting the United States keep

48:50

giving more and more and more to

48:52

Israel are playing a very dangerous game

48:54

and risking the exact role results that

48:57

they claim they're so petrified of, which

48:59

is the spread of anti-Semitism. Stephen Sanford

49:01

asked, how would you suggest that Americans

49:04

have their voices heard if their elected

49:06

officials refused to hold town halls? My

49:08

own representative has not held a town

49:10

hall for 10 months and as such

49:13

people like myself cannot meaningful be heard

49:15

as email phone calls are so easily

49:17

brushed off. I

49:19

mean, that's always been a hard question

49:21

to answer in the United States because

49:24

the reality of our elections is that

49:26

the people who really control elections are

49:28

large donors, billionaires, oligarchs, and vault parties.

49:30

There's a new book out about what

49:32

happened in 2024 inside the Democratic Party

49:34

with Biden and Harris. And it describes

49:36

how what finally forced Joe Biden out

49:38

were the donors. They demanded it. They

49:40

said we're not going to fund your

49:42

campaign. We're not going to give you

49:44

the hundreds of billions of dollars you

49:46

need. to run a campaign because we

49:49

don't think you have any chance to

49:51

win. And Biden tried to convince them.

49:53

You may be right, but I can

49:55

promise you, Mike, we're dopping out, is

49:57

it going to result in Kamla Harris

49:59

becoming the nominee? whether we anoint her

50:01

or whether we pretend to have a

50:03

mini convention and she has less chance

50:05

than I do but the donors insisted.

50:07

That's who got Biden out, not the

50:09

people rising up or whatever. But

50:12

protest movements do work. They

50:14

have top old governments all around

50:16

the world. They have changed the

50:18

course of American history, obviously during

50:20

the Vietnam War and the Civil

50:22

Rights movement and the like. It's just

50:24

that protesting can be difficult. You

50:27

need the time, most people work

50:29

and... support their families and want

50:31

to be with their families and

50:33

barely have enough time to

50:35

breathe, let alone participate in

50:37

political protests. That's why it's

50:39

typically a activity mostly for

50:41

the young, for youth. That's why college

50:43

campuses have been iconically a venue

50:46

of a protest, but I think

50:48

that ultimately that's the only

50:50

thing that really lets the voice

50:52

of the people be hurt is

50:54

when the government starts fearing the

50:56

population, the population fear the government.

50:59

All right, last question comes from

51:01

Doc Fab who says, hello, I

51:03

want to express my gratitude for

51:05

the work you are doing. Your

51:08

fair, detailed, well-documented comments speak to

51:10

people of many persuasions. Specifically, my

51:12

31-year-old son and I, who's 75,

51:14

now have many points of agreement,

51:17

ever since he started listening to

51:19

you. And we can talk again,

51:21

woo, because you adhere to your principles,

51:23

most more people can hear what I

51:25

believe is the truth, many things for

51:27

your good work. Let me just say

51:29

here, just because that was very, very

51:31

filled with praise, that I don't choose

51:34

these questions. I rely on my colleagues

51:36

to do so in part because I

51:38

want to make sure that I'm not

51:40

just picking the things that I want

51:42

to talk about, but things that maybe

51:44

push me out of my comfort zone.

51:46

So if there's a question that's keeping

51:48

a lot of praise on me, it's

51:50

not because I chose it. It's because

51:52

someone here thought that it raises some

51:54

important issues. it's worth speaking about but I don't really

51:56

read them I want to have the first time that I'm

51:59

really concentrating on them. be live on camera

52:01

so that my answer is more

52:03

natural and less planned. I think

52:05

that's the point of a Q&A

52:07

as opposed to a show where

52:09

you're sort of more committed to

52:11

an idea ahead of time about

52:13

what you want to say. But

52:15

this is probably the type of

52:18

comment that I appreciate the most

52:20

because I just want to just

52:22

be honest for a second about

52:24

independent media. I think independent media

52:26

has become an important alternative to

52:28

and check against corporate media. It's

52:30

provided people the emancipation not to

52:32

be captive to corporate media to

52:34

get their information from other sources

52:36

It's why it came to rumble

52:38

because rumble I believe is one

52:41

of the very very very few

52:43

Companies that has a genuine commitment

52:45

to free speech not just branding

52:47

themselves as such But the problem

52:49

with independent media is that you

52:51

don't have funding sources by definition

52:54

You don't work for a

52:56

gigantic media corporation, the way

52:59

CNN or ABC News or

53:01

M. etc. or Fox. And

53:03

typically you don't have big

53:06

corporate advertisers. You won't hear,

53:08

you know, Aetna or Boeing

53:10

or any major company, Pfizer,

53:13

advertising on our show or

53:15

anywhere on rumble. And so

53:17

people who want to be

53:20

able to be an independent

53:22

journalist and make a living

53:24

out of it have to

53:27

rely upon the support from

53:29

their viewers. And by far

53:31

the easiest way to do

53:34

that, the way that's most

53:36

likely to succeed, and not

53:38

to succeed, but potentially make

53:41

you quite wealthy, is if

53:43

you plant your flag in

53:45

a party or a political

53:48

movement or an ideology. And

53:50

your viewers know that that's their

53:52

ideology, that's their party, that's their

53:55

movement, and they're going to come

53:57

to rally around the flag, whatever

53:59

that flag is. And you're never

54:01

going to tell them anything that

54:03

upsets them or alienates them. You're

54:05

never going to criticize that flag

54:07

and the movement that the flag

54:09

represents. And there is a lot

54:11

of independent media like that. I

54:13

mean, it's by far the easiest

54:15

thing to do. You say, I'm

54:17

on the left. I'm a Democrat.

54:19

I'm a never Trump conservative. I'm

54:21

a magga person. And then just

54:23

everything you say and do is

54:25

aligned with whatever you need to

54:27

align yourself with to advance and

54:29

defend and justify whatever that particular

54:32

faction is doing. And it is

54:34

tempting. You look around and you

54:36

see how many people are succeeding

54:38

in a very lucrative way by

54:40

doing that. I mean, I guess

54:42

it's tempting to some people. isn't

54:44

for me because I think what's

54:46

so important is I didn't enter

54:48

journalism because that was my career

54:50

goal. I didn't enter it with

54:52

any career ideas at all. I

54:54

entered it because I wanted to

54:56

say things that weren't being said.

54:58

I wanted them to be heard.

55:00

And as I recounted, I never

55:02

wanted to attach myself and be

55:04

imprisoned by an ideology. I most

55:06

definitely didn't want to. have to

55:08

remain loyal to a particular politician

55:11

or a set of politicians. That

55:13

sounds so dreary and awful and

55:15

anti-electual and just drained of all

55:17

of its integrity. I have no

55:19

passion doing that whatsoever. And so

55:21

I know that by criticizing Democrats,

55:23

but then also criticizing conservatives in

55:25

the Trump movement and never just

55:27

feeding people all the time what

55:29

they want to hear, that does

55:31

cost you viewers. That cost you.

55:33

supporters that cost you whatever cost

55:35

you followers on social media it

55:37

cost everything but I'm not I

55:39

think one of the things that

55:41

is important to me is that

55:43

and I'm quite grateful for and

55:45

aware of is that I am

55:48

at a point in my career

55:50

I have enough of a platform

55:52

that I built up over many

55:54

years that I don't really have

55:56

to worry about losing a part

55:58

of my audience in a way

56:00

that would make it no longer

56:02

feasible for me to do this

56:04

work. I'd much rather lose 10

56:06

to 15% of our audience if

56:08

we did almost immediately after October

56:10

7th in order to be able

56:12

to pursue the truth as I

56:14

see it to present facts that

56:16

I think need to be presented

56:18

to critique people who I think

56:20

are. not telling the truth, feel

56:22

good about the work, but I

56:24

realize that not everybody has that

56:27

luxury. Some people can't lose that

56:29

and continue to do the work,

56:31

so I'm not necessarily judging them.

56:33

I'm just saying what I feel

56:35

like I have is a platform

56:37

that enables me to avoid being

56:39

captive to those kinds of pressures,

56:41

that kind of audience capture or

56:43

the needs just validate everybody's thoughts,

56:45

and... Sometimes I think, like, if

56:47

I don't do it, who's going

56:49

to do that? I mean, there

56:51

are obviously very big podcasts that

56:53

don't have an allegiance to a

56:55

political faction. Joe Rogan being the

56:57

most obvious example, but Joe Rogan

56:59

didn't really start as a political

57:01

podcast, and he's not really now

57:04

a political broadcaster. Most of what

57:06

he does is not about politics.

57:08

Politics is really secondary to what

57:10

he does. And he's game enough

57:12

of a credibility with his audience

57:14

that he... free range on what

57:16

he really thinks. I think he

57:18

has become more loyal to, more

57:20

supportive of Trump and the Maga

57:22

movement than he had previously been

57:24

supportive of any one particular factor,

57:26

but still he's very capable of

57:28

heteroxy, but he's the exception because

57:30

it's not a political podcast. This

57:32

is a podcast about where a

57:34

show about journalism, politics, that's obviously

57:36

what I do, pretty much exclusively,

57:38

I don't do a lot of

57:41

cultural commentary. And so the easiest

57:43

way to do that is to

57:45

just... Plan your flag and then

57:47

validate people's views, but when I

57:49

hear a comment like that like

57:51

hey my son is over here

57:53

and I'm over here and we

57:55

have very difficult time bridging the

57:57

gap, but your show enables us

57:59

to do that because we can

58:01

count on you to kind of

58:03

be reliable and telling us the

58:05

things that you really think and

58:07

it's a window into having a

58:09

more rational conversation than otherwise we

58:11

might in terms of being super

58:13

polarized, that's the kind of complement

58:15

of my work that I feel

58:17

very grateful for and appreciative of

58:20

in that I really value because...

58:22

It'd be much easier, much, much

58:24

easier in my life. And in

58:26

every other way, to just feed

58:28

a group of people exactly what

58:30

they want to hear. It's not

58:32

hard to do that. It's very

58:34

easy. You can just put yourself

58:36

on autopilot and do it. But

58:38

one of the things that I'm

58:40

particularly appreciative of in life is

58:42

that the work I've always done

58:44

has been work that I'm passionate

58:46

about and I'm passionate about in

58:48

it. I'm sure there are sometimes

58:50

subconsciously where I avoid something or

58:52

I say something because of that

58:54

incentive. We're all human. We all

58:57

have these incentives. But again, it's

58:59

sort of like the tribalism I

59:01

was talking about before. It's something

59:03

that I think you have to

59:05

work as hard as you can

59:07

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