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.edu ADU slash military. Hello

1:02

and welcome to Tablemanners.

1:04

I'm Jesse Ware Hello

1:06

and welcome to Table with I'm mom

1:08

and I'm here with my mum in

1:10

my kitchen Hi, darling. How you doing? I'm you fine.

1:12

I've fine. I've got a of a voice,

1:14

but I'm fine. fine. again, we

1:16

are again, we are matching. No, I don't know what this

1:19

I don't know so connected. We're so Psychically We're

1:21

so connected. But first connected, let me tell you,

1:23

this episode first, let me tell you,

1:25

this episode is brought to you

1:27

by to find out which you're gonna

1:29

find out is your perfect gifting

1:32

partner You're festive season. to You're not

1:34

only gonna get an episode of manners

1:36

with a fantastic guest, this is

1:38

also rather festive today, isn't it, it,

1:40

We're preparing. for Christmas Christmas, darling.

1:42

And going to find out

1:44

find out that isn't just about

1:47

getting a delicious meal. meal, which

1:49

we use it for. It's also about getting your Christmas shopping

1:51

done delivered right to your door. I actually couldn't live without

1:53

the delivery app, I don't think. I constantly use it

1:55

use it to get and groceries. However, this

1:57

has been the this has been the

1:59

biggest that now I now I can

2:01

also do my and get them on the

2:03

get them on the same

2:05

day. this episode as this episode brought

2:07

to you by the wonderful delivery,

2:09

We thought we'd play a

2:12

little game of Secret Santa with

2:14

today's guests. So So if you're

2:16

in need of a bit

2:18

of present inspiration, then this one

2:20

is for you. for you. So

2:22

who's on the episode today, Mum?

2:24

She's a bit of an

2:26

icon. Absolutely. In the sports world. sports

2:28

world. She is blonde. She is... pundit.

2:30

Yes. Probably my favourite football

2:32

pundit. She Probably my favorite

2:34

football pundit. She also does

2:36

coverage of all the

2:38

world's biggest sporting events. She

2:40

covers lots of sporting

2:42

events. Her knowledge is amazing. From amazing. League,

2:44

From the Champions League, coverage

2:46

on League sport to Olympic gaze on BBC.

2:48

She does She does everything. She

2:50

knows She knows lots about

2:52

sports. She's kind of

2:54

got sports heritage. the daughter the

2:56

daughter. the daughter. of a footballer, a

2:58

Welsh Welsh footballer, Terry Yorath, and

3:01

and she's married to

3:03

a she was also a she was

3:05

also a former rhythmic gymnast Wales represented Wales

3:07

and Great Britain. It's we're Logan and we're

3:09

so excited to have her. We wanted

3:11

to have her for years So it's so it's

3:13

perfect that we're doing this and also

3:15

that we're getting a present from her. a

3:17

Perfect, lovely. from her. Lovely, lovely. have been cooking but

3:19

I think I've made I've a mistake

3:21

on what I've made. I've made. What do you

3:23

mean? It It was the New York York

3:26

I got the email. said, you're going

3:28

to die for this amazing recipe. I

3:30

didn't actually look at the

3:32

kind of thing where at the going

3:35

to be cooking you're chatting, I'm

3:37

which is slightly annoying. you're chatting.

3:39

get on with it. Sport, darling.

3:41

annoying. So I'm doing on with it. So

3:43

I'm doing Andy miso salmon bowl. Meso It

3:45

does look delish. It's

3:47

like This marinade that you do with

3:50

honey, honey, miso, grapefruit and and grapefruit juice.

3:52

You haven't marinated anything. You don't

3:54

know what I've done, know what marinating right

3:56

now. just have to It's the salmon.

3:58

right now. I have I have tried to... de -starch

4:00

the rice. and it's

4:02

still still cloudy, so who

4:04

knows? We're probably gonna get crappy going

4:06

to get you serve it with radishes,

4:09

you avocado, with seaweed, and spring

4:11

onions and bussy. onions seaweed from

4:13

from Norie sheets. Oh the the sheets of

4:15

it. I like I like eating well I can

4:18

I can give you one, Lenny.

4:20

Thank you. we're we're having that,

4:22

and then I've made an a Apple, stem

4:24

ginger, galette, I actually can't do puddings.

4:26

And I'm gonna put some apricot

4:28

jam on the top of it

4:30

that you put in me. jam

4:33

on the of glaze it

4:35

it then you put me a microwave

4:37

to kind of glaze it and

4:39

then serve to up on

4:41

a very special would be fun.

4:43

I think actually she's at

4:45

the door now Gabby

4:47

Logan coming up on

4:49

a very special delivery

4:51

table manners episode. hello. Thank you

4:53

you so much for coming over here. Oh,

4:55

thanks for me. Because this is quite

4:57

a you. Because this is quite a it's not.

4:59

No, lovely It's lovely. is is. you

5:01

did come in with I

5:04

don't know, something I don't know, something in the

5:06

universe told us all to wear red. know if I

5:08

don't know whether it's because we knew we were

5:10

doing a Secret Santa or something, but. or something, but... Yeah,

5:12

we Yeah, were we red at red at

5:14

the beginning. You've stripped off off it's

5:16

getting hot in here. here. you so

5:18

much for coming. coming. How are you?

5:20

already like already like you've already done about

5:23

a day's done about a day's work. podcast this

5:25

morning podcast this morning in Leicester So podcast Square. So I

5:27

like, know, Leicester if I'm working, I

5:29

kind of want to keep that energy

5:31

going. to that this is work. I

5:33

mean, this is a treat. that this is

5:35

you're right. It is nice. a treat. You're

5:38

research It's nice. It's like this is we're recording

5:40

this just before research Arsenal play. Yeah. And your

5:42

And you're covering It's for prime, yeah. So it's, research is kind of

5:44

ongoing in my job, is kind of ongoing in

5:46

my job, know? You don't just, I never

5:48

just sit down and do an hour.

5:50

You're always reading things and picking things up

5:52

that might feed into the next thing

5:54

you're doing. So I So I don't, if I've

5:56

got a bit of time, like like 20

5:58

minutes, half an hour, hour, where I'm waiting. somewhere I

6:00

reading I'm reading up I mean mean

6:03

fans and it's quite and it's

6:05

a sad yeah sad times times for

6:07

us it's not I mean I

6:09

mean maybe we're coming out yeah

6:11

no but it's not not Fab yes

6:14

Faber Faber Faber I think you're on the think

6:16

you're on the turn. Do

6:18

you you really do you think definitely. Marcus

6:20

was smiling. mom you need to Marcus Marcus Marcus needs

6:22

to stop having a problem. No,

6:24

No, he's stopping. I Good. see. He

6:26

I can see. He scored

6:28

three goals great. three goals. That's

6:31

great. I'm happy for you happy and I'm

6:33

happy for you because you we've

6:35

also also got, I think, the

6:37

most handsome manager in the the

6:39

League. League. Yeah, Yeah, certainly, he's gorgeous. I don't want to

6:41

I don't want to I do, but he's got a lovely

6:43

face. Have you but he's got a lovely face.

6:45

be interviewing him tomorrow. you sat down with yet, although I'll

6:47

be interviewing him tomorrow. other He's he's sat

6:49

down with my colleague for about an

6:51

hour the other day, which is the full measure of

6:53

-match, you can't get the full measure of

6:55

somebody when you sit down with them

6:57

in an environment a bit more relaxed like

7:00

this, you you see bit more more and said he

7:02

was was great and really polite to

7:04

everybody on to everybody on the same. which you

7:06

don't always get. You've already been

7:08

on the already been on the tube had

7:10

two, You've had on the some twins on

7:12

entertaining you for your olds

7:14

making rude words out of tube

7:17

stations. Yes, out of... and you

7:19

have twins. Yes, and you have Yeah, you? Yeah,

7:21

but you have these two this

7:23

morning were identical. how old? 19, but a

7:25

boy. these I did say to

7:27

the mum of a very boisterous

7:29

boy that boys, mine are a girl, a boy, stars

7:31

say to the with a girl because

7:33

boister had two of him I don't

7:36

be together, we'd be together. Not me and

7:38

and him being his father. father.

7:40

Can we can we start at the

7:42

beginning, the round the dinner table? were

7:44

you? Who were you? dinner Who was

7:47

around the dinner table a you were

7:49

a child? were what were you eating?

7:51

Were you born in Wales? No, I I

7:53

was born in Leeds. Leeds. Okay. dad

7:55

was playing was playing for you, for

7:57

I remember. I remember. And I'm the eldest of

7:59

four. And so there were three of us born

8:01

very quickly. So I can't ever remember being around the

8:03

dinner table without the others because my mom had three

8:06

children under the age of 26. So we were quite

8:08

a young family, you know, but my mom was, I

8:10

think she had me at 21. So she got engaged.

8:12

before her 21st birthday, which always blows my mind, you

8:14

know, especially as I've got a daughter who's going to

8:16

turn 20 this year. And my dad, being a football,

8:18

I wasn't always there at regular time. So an evening

8:20

meal, he was there mostly, and if he wasn't playing

8:22

a mid-week game. So we would always eat together. We

8:25

were always at the table. There was always a place

8:27

map. and you know linen and the table not necessarily

8:29

a tablecloth but there was it was always an occasion

8:31

and it might not have always been the most incredibly

8:33

kind of gourmet meal but it was it was home

8:35

cooked it was always home cooked so post-school you know

8:37

every night of the week we'd all be doing different

8:39

sports and different activities but then we all would come

8:41

in and eat together and that's something that I really

8:43

valued from my childhood I think and is something that

8:46

I was non-negotiable for me with my own kids that

8:48

that's, you know, we didn't have TV dinners as a

8:50

kid, so therefore that was not going to be something

8:52

that my kids did. So I think it is that

8:54

communication and that shared passion for food and for your

8:56

learning about your lives from each other. If you've got

8:58

busy lives, it's just the best. thing that you can

9:00

do I think for kids. Did you talk about sport?

9:02

Yes, we were very competitive bunch because as kids. So

9:05

you were playing. Yeah, so I was doing my sport,

9:07

my brother and sister, because I think of the older

9:09

three of us, I've got a younger brother, my brother

9:11

Daniel died, but he was going to be a professional

9:13

footballer. So he was doing football, my sister was doing

9:15

gymnastics. So we'd always be talking about what we were

9:17

doing and bragging, you know, with each other, but also

9:19

competing with each other, and my parents would. The conversation

9:21

could go anywhere really actually, you know. Often I think

9:24

I look back and my dad was quite a polemic

9:26

so he liked to stir up things so if I'd

9:28

say something is a... a 12 -year -old

9:30

about politics. He'd throw something

9:32

back that we'd have a

9:34

disagreement. We once had an

9:36

argument in a restaurant in

9:38

Spain about something. Oh, it

9:40

was about me wanting a

9:43

pair of shoes. And he

9:45

said, I'll buy you these

9:47

shoes if you eat all

9:49

the mustard in that jar

9:51

on the table. And there

9:53

was a jar of mustard

9:55

in there. And my mom

9:57

was going, no, Terry. And

9:59

he said, she'll do it,

10:02

she'll do it. So I

10:04

started eating the mustard. Like,

10:06

obviously decanted it. Started eating

10:08

it, and my mom in

10:10

the end, because I was

10:12

obviously going green. And my

10:14

mom was going, no, you

10:16

could have that. And they

10:18

were like, 10 quid these

10:21

shoes. They were just like

10:23

a little trainer or something.

10:25

But you wouldn't give up.

10:27

No, because obviously, my sister

10:29

and brother looked on horrified

10:31

that I was prepared to

10:33

do this for these shoes,

10:35

which we still laugh about

10:37

now. And eventually, my mom

10:39

kind of intervened. like, no,

10:42

she doesn't have to eat

10:44

any more mustard. It's fine.

10:47

So yeah, that was quite robust. Fun,

10:49

loud. Well, where was your mom? Your

10:51

dad's from Wales. Yeah, proudly Welsh. Yes.

10:53

Where was your mom from? She is

10:55

from Leeds. So they met when he...

10:57

Yorkshire. Yeah, they met when he... Her

10:59

mom had a cafe opposite Ellen Road.

11:01

She was doing her A -levels. And she

11:03

used to work in the cafe occasionally.

11:06

And she served some of the Leeds

11:08

players after school. And my dad had

11:10

been asked to go to an event.

11:12

And he didn't think the girl, he

11:14

was 17, he didn't think the girl

11:16

he was seeing would have been a

11:18

good guest because she smoked. So he

11:20

asked my mom if she would go.

11:22

No, first of all, he asked my

11:24

mom to iron his trousers for the

11:26

think said, have you got an ironing

11:28

board and an iron in this cafe?

11:30

And my mom said, no. he said,

11:32

well, would you come with me to

11:34

the dinner instead? And so it's kind

11:36

of a weird way of asking somebody

11:38

out. yeah, they had a kind of

11:40

strange coming together. then this met very young.

11:42

Very young. the manager of Leeds at

11:44

the time was a guy called Don

11:46

Revy. And he quite liked his players

11:49

to settle down as quickly as possible

11:51

because he felt it was going to

11:53

somehow give them a stability and home

11:55

life that was going to be conducive

11:57

to being more focused at work. he

11:59

also did things like... would send the

12:01

wives wives and flowers on on dates, birthdays

12:03

and things so that he things so that

12:05

of kind of told that they were part

12:07

of this of this journey. Did that that

12:09

mean a lot to your mom you feel?

12:11

She certainly mentioned it a lot and

12:13

about in know know, kind of growing up.

12:15

I I knew these stories. clearly did. did.

12:18

resonate with her and the other women

12:20

that I that I feel they were, I I mean they

12:22

joke. that they were the original were the and, you

12:24

know, she still has dinner with two of

12:26

the wives. from that era. that

12:28

who you that era. Is No, you

12:30

I'm No a Newcastle fan. a Newcastle

12:32

fan. Why? I love you all the money. She's

12:34

so horrified. When did she get from Leeds to

12:36

Newcastle? she get from moving around

12:38

we left Leeds when I was around we left

12:41

Leeds when I was Coventry and he went to Coventry

12:43

then he went to and then he he went to

12:45

then he went then he then he came back

12:47

to Coventry and the place. all over the

12:49

place. you travel Yeah, so you so you're following

12:51

all the time, usually a few months later.

12:53

late, so mom packing up packing up houses and

12:55

selling and moving on on. and so you're following

12:57

his club I was was doing my sport

12:59

and not really always able as I got

13:02

older to go but always following

13:04

his team, then when I went to went to University,

13:06

I went to Durham. he was managing managing

13:08

Wales course of play every Saturday play

13:10

every was missing that team to

13:12

follow to the weekend. the weekend and I

13:14

I started going to United and then

13:16

I started working in local

13:18

radio. in Newcastle and Newcastle United. It

13:21

was it was the Keegan era to not.

13:23

mean if you I mean if to

13:25

Newcastle Every single person in the city the

13:27

city. On born on coming out of

13:29

their mother's womb is given a a

13:31

shirt I mean they literally the whole

13:33

city is city is mad the team and it's

13:35

impossible not to get swept get such

13:38

an interesting stadium as well, because it's

13:40

kind of smack stadium kind of emerges. it's

13:42

kind of smack, up high, wherever you are,

13:44

you can see it coming on the

13:46

train and it's there. can see it often stay

13:48

at the and it's there and I often stay if

13:50

I'm doing the Great North Run or

13:52

something like that. my view of the the

13:54

always Run or something like that. United St. James Park and I think think

13:56

it's just one of the most iconic for

13:58

you views. such a beautiful river. and such

14:00

such a I love I love the city's industrial

14:02

past, how it kind of feeds into the

14:04

architecture and feeds into the bridges into the such

14:07

a it's city city so very yeah I'm sad that

14:09

I can't go a I can't go a

14:11

lot because and distance but I'm I'm glad

14:13

really glad I'm connected still to a

14:15

place that means so much much you

14:17

you your your job? job? No

14:19

I don't think so I don't think so. think we

14:21

at quite a quite a young age that we had quite

14:23

a different upbringing. to his. He was

14:25

He was from a very,

14:27

class, hardworking hard a family in a

14:29

council estate in Cardiff a way out for him was

14:32

a way out for him go back and visit my

14:34

think we go back and visit my our life

14:36

was a bit that our life was a bit

14:38

different. We were not League League are

14:40

now, we but we certainly had a middle

14:42

middle-class life and upbringing one. the

14:44

one he had, but he never

14:47

forgot you know his you know his family and

14:49

his roots and everything of course of course my my

14:51

same you know she was she was always told

14:53

us about her first cock being the bottom drawer

14:55

of his chest of drawers of you know,

14:57

and you no bathroom in the house in that

14:59

kind of thing. and that kind of thing so they

15:01

suppose were kind young people working hard and

15:03

young people working work was at the kind

15:05

of core of everything that they

15:07

did but we realized that we went

15:09

on maybe more holidays we he'd gone

15:11

on and we had a nice

15:13

house on we know had house and you know had the

15:15

kind of the kind of of things, but we

15:17

had the things they didn't have as

15:19

kids. as now we're going to play a

15:22

game. This is the this is the episode and

15:24

we are celebrating the fact that Deliveroo fact that

15:26

delivery not lots of delicious

15:28

food to our our but they

15:30

also they also have gifting that people don't

15:32

potentially some people don't know about. know about. going

15:34

to play going Santa. game of Secret Santa. Producer Alice given

15:36

us all a piece of paper and we're

15:38

we're going to play Secret Santa and what

15:40

we're going to do is we're going

15:42

to get open up and see who we've

15:44

got open up we're going to go on

15:47

the we've got we're going to go and choose

15:49

a present on by the time that we've

15:51

had our lunch to go will be arriving

15:53

at the door by and we will all

15:55

be gifting each other. it I don't tell

15:57

you. at the door and we will all be gifting each other. I don't tell

15:59

you. No, no, it's secret. what I'd at a dinner

16:01

party at a on our phones. to all be on

16:03

our house this would be me going our

16:05

house this would to get a phone out

16:07

of the table. any But this is an

16:09

exception. be there to get a phone just going to

16:12

table. But this is an exception. So we're

16:14

just gonna all Find the

16:16

presents. choose our on the

16:18

high Find the presence. Oh, really? the

16:20

high street or on. Oh really? Yeah. Boots.

16:22

Her. Perfection shop, sure. a

16:24

whole, a whole... because it's location

16:26

dependent. dependent. So... There's Hackney Wick and

16:28

Hackney for me, which is

16:30

perfect. me, which is do you

16:32

like it? That's like a nice

16:34

there anyway. Cage? yeah. would shop there

16:36

they've got everything. They've

16:39

got wow. They've got everything. They've

16:41

got tech, beauty, children's bits. Have

16:43

even got flowers

16:45

flowers, darling? Hmm. Oh mum, mum, fancy

16:47

you renting a dress like do, I That's

16:49

a great idea. Within half an

16:51

hour. So if you turned up in

16:53

the same So if one of your

16:55

co -hosts. I could then hire. You

16:57

could hire a dress, quickly. I Wouldn't

16:59

it be fun? hire. You We should have

17:02

done that a We could have done

17:04

that because we... Yeah, absolutely. it Are

17:06

you ready to select yours? done that anyway.

17:08

I'm going to select mine. done

17:10

that because we, yeah, absolutely.

17:12

Perfect. Mm-hmm. Right.

17:15

presents have been ordered been they

17:17

should be here in as

17:19

little as 25 minutes from

17:21

from delivery really mm-hmm I want to

17:23

keep shopping. shopping are you a big shopper

17:25

not you a big so I do

17:27

a couple of shops for work a year where I

17:29

go and do like a mad day and do

17:31

a couple of shops for day of just getting

17:33

do. I a mad day. me And

17:35

then I do another day of just getting, because

17:37

I do so much to me so get loads

17:39

of outfits to worry that I so to I worry.

17:41

So if I'm doing a world Cup or a and

17:44

I need 28 or something or or something or then

17:46

we then them all together them all together that's it.

17:48

I'm not a great I'm not a great borrower from you

17:50

know like to borrow to borrow from that. It's just

17:52

too much just I've got to get everything

17:54

ready. get everything don't kind of have time to

17:56

browse Sometimes I have half an hour somewhere

17:58

between a meeting meeting and go. for and start

18:00

touching things and things and is what it

18:02

used to be like what to going

18:05

to to be like. Just see things and see do

18:07

enjoy it I just don't have loads

18:09

of time are you a good present a

18:11

good present think I am because I think

18:13

I try and think about person. I

18:15

work on the basis that it's something that

18:17

I would like to receive as well.

18:19

So I don't, although it's it's for think

18:21

it's something of quality. that

18:23

I would want. So I don't give away,

18:25

I don't re -gift loads of stuff of stuff that

18:27

I've already got in the cupboard. I

18:29

try and buy And I And I to buy

18:32

these days a lot of days a lot of

18:34

monogram stuff so people know that you've it in

18:36

advance it in advance and That's a really

18:38

nice idea. night about it, but that doesn't

18:40

always work out. about it, but it doesn't

18:42

you ever been given you ever been given

18:44

a really quite awful present? Oh yes.

18:46

Anyone you can... Yeah my you

18:48

can do my husband point. He

18:50

was way too generous this particular was

18:52

way too generous our this

18:54

particular Christmas it was our together I together I

18:56

think first thing first thing was I woke up

18:58

this this is going to make make him

19:00

romantic. We were in

19:02

a townhouse We were in a

19:04

floors floors of rose down to down

19:07

to... rose, the guitar was guitar was

19:09

I you in you in So the

19:11

guitar was the guitar was the present, Because saying

19:13

to him, I'd like to be able

19:15

to able guitar, I'd like to play the

19:17

guitar. to be on the Yamaha guitar. to play I thought

19:19

that was it, right? this is an

19:21

amazingly romantic, lovely present. that was it, opened up

19:23

some more presents. There was this gorgeous coat

19:25

he bought me. Then some Then I opened up

19:27

now we're kind of going in slightly satiric

19:29

random things. gorgeous piece of art, which some rollerblades,

19:32

right, which is, and now And not like anything I

19:34

had in my house or anything I

19:36

know. I know. But But now we laugh about

19:38

it because he's got this friend who we

19:40

all agree has no taste. and he said but I

19:42

bought it it with Pete I went weren't

19:44

shopping Pete like you're mad mad like nobody

19:46

would buy anything in Pete's company

19:48

just just wouldn't he said Pete said said would

19:50

I said what no me me like five

19:52

minutes so laugh about do love about that

19:54

ticket and we took it back and exchanged it for something

19:57

it hanging on the still have hanging on the

19:59

sweet. so yeah yeah But that was such

20:01

a random collection of gifts, right?

20:03

I mean, mean, know, that could have been like

20:05

for five Christmas. Exactly. gifts. And I thought,

20:07

this guy is so generous. Like

20:09

Like but also but also that that. Then you

20:11

then you have kids you're lucky you're

20:13

lucky if you and get a

20:15

tea towel. But yeah, that was that was

20:17

definitely the most, it it was hard

20:20

to hide my reaction. You know, when

20:22

something up and you go, up and you

20:24

go, oh. What were you you thinking about Oh,

20:26

that's Oh, that's brilliant. What's your your

20:28

best gift that you've had? ever

20:30

received? Oh. I think when, know, I

20:32

know it sounds sounds like being

20:34

kind of of humble it's

20:36

just a little thing sometimes but it

20:39

is sometimes those things that you've just

20:41

mentioned and you haven't been dropping hints

20:43

but they've heard you and they're like

20:45

oh you make your life easier, and this

20:47

is something that you but they've it could be

20:49

just so innocuous like I had this old heard

20:51

cover that didn't go on to a stand and

20:53

he said every time I see you struggling

20:55

with that I think you should have one of

20:57

those ones that goes and this things like that

20:59

where life life is made easier by somebody kind

21:01

of thinking about about you is as nice, as

21:03

it? isn't get me wrong. don't get me

21:06

be lovely. bracelet would be lovely yeah all

21:08

those all are great, but

21:10

I think it's I think it's knows

21:12

you. the think he's quite nice, isn't it?

21:14

What was Christmas like it growing up? Well,

21:16

it's quite interesting because my working life

21:18

now it's of replicates a bit of

21:20

what I experienced growing up because I'll

21:22

be working on Boxing Day. of replicates a bit of

21:24

that mean you won't get drunk on

21:26

Christmas up No, I'll cook working have maybe

21:28

a glass of wine or two, but

21:30

I won't. have what else will

21:32

be drinking else will I won't start

21:35

until start be drinking through cooking or

21:37

anything like that so I don't

21:39

have that full Christmas like that. times

21:41

do you have to leave the house that full

21:43

Christmas Day. after time do you but I've got to

21:45

leave the house on you know, I've got to wash

21:47

my hair and I've got up and make sure I

21:49

wouldn't I've run out the door because you know, it's too

21:51

big a game and it's too hair and I've got up

21:53

and make sure I wouldn't like just

21:55

run out the door who

21:58

knows? big and it's not real. bit

22:00

of a journey as well to get to.

22:02

So and then the day after that I'm

22:04

at Arsenal again so I've got a double-headed.

22:07

So my dad being a football and would

22:09

often be leaving us on Christmas Day to

22:11

go and play somewhere on Boxing Day. So

22:13

I understand I suppose a bit more than

22:15

other families might about that disjointed Christmas. Was

22:18

he in training when he was quite a

22:20

young person? Did they have an academy at

22:22

least? He left home at 15 though to

22:24

go me a leads player. His... story is

22:27

quite sliding doors when it's really interesting because

22:29

he'd been sent this offer of a trial

22:31

for Leeds United. 15 years old, got on

22:33

the train which those days from Cardiff to

22:36

Leeds probably took about 10 hours or something.

22:38

Turns up in Leeds, does his trial for

22:40

a week with seven or eight other boys

22:42

and at the end of the week... they

22:45

were going to tell them who could offer

22:47

the contract. And he was asked to clean

22:49

the manager's office or the guy who was

22:51

in charge of that week. And on them,

22:54

because they used to be given real hard

22:56

tasks back in those days, you know, chores

22:58

to do, they weren't treated like academy players

23:00

are now. And he was cleaning the office

23:03

and noticed the pile of offers on the

23:05

table. And so he couldn't help it. No,

23:07

he wasn't on the contract. That's so terrible,

23:09

another, another boy happened to be a twin.

23:12

And when he was offered, his family said,

23:14

not unless you take his twin. And they

23:16

said, well, we're not offering his twin. We're

23:18

offering him. And they said, well, he's not

23:21

coming. So my dad got his place and

23:23

ended up being the Legionite player that he

23:25

was then for 10 years. So yeah, I

23:27

mean, he might have made it anyway and

23:29

he might have done somewhere else. But he

23:32

wouldn't have been part of that kind of

23:34

iconic leads team of the 70s, which is

23:36

often even now. up being in these tough

23:38

digs where they'd stay with the family and

23:41

had that for two years living with a

23:43

you know woman who looked after a few

23:45

footballers and very hard for somebody at that

23:47

age to be wrenched away from your family

23:50

and not have that comfort of that nurturing

23:52

I think made you quite hard I think.

23:54

Can we talk about your... sporting career because

23:56

you know all your siblings sound you were

23:59

all very active and it was I presume

24:01

kind of expected maybe it was going to

24:03

be an active household I think my mom

24:05

tried to give us we all did every

24:08

musical instrument to grade one we all did

24:10

all we did all the drama we did

24:12

all the drama we do all I'm up

24:14

to at a moment yeah and she tried

24:17

really hard for it not to be just

24:19

sport and I remember her saying to me

24:21

and I don't know how she knew this

24:23

but I was about ten and I wanted

24:26

to give up doing Lambda or something. I

24:28

mean, a drama exam. She said, oh, it

24:30

looked good on your CV if you want

24:32

to go to uni. Nobody in our family

24:35

had ever been to uni. So I don't

24:37

know why she thought that was inevitable that

24:39

I would. Because she had high ambitions. Yeah.

24:41

And Durham is like one of the best

24:43

universities. It was a great one to go

24:46

to. And she was a great one to

24:48

go to. But she said to me once

24:50

as well about if you went to Cambridge,

24:52

you might want to do foot lights. girl

24:55

who's nobody in the family gone to uni,

24:57

how did she know about that? And she,

24:59

so she did have aspirations I guess for

25:01

us, but not in a way that she

25:04

was pushy, she just always said she wanted

25:06

us to find our passions and put them

25:08

all out there and say choose something, do

25:10

something, but don't do nothing, you know? So

25:13

your initial passion was gymnastics? Yeah, all sports

25:15

really. Okay. Gymnastics by accident because I'd really

25:17

want to be a tennis player until I

25:19

was about 10. We lived in Vancouver and

25:22

I played loads of tennis and tried to

25:24

pitch to my parents that I should move

25:26

to Florida and go to Nick Bollywood camp.

25:28

Oh, wow. They're like, uh, you're coming back

25:31

home with us after Benes Williams. Yeah, yeah,

25:33

yeah, right. He sounded like a character. And

25:35

I'd seen this documentary. I thought, I thought

25:37

this is utopia. at the time and then

25:40

we moved to Leeds. There were no indoor

25:42

courts for public use in Leeds so my

25:44

sister was gymnast. I just kept following her

25:46

to gym until the tennis courts opened and

25:49

kind of never came back really so it

25:51

was an accident that I ended up doing

25:53

more. I find that so fascinating from because

25:55

what I gather from watching like the Simone

25:57

Biles documentaries and and and and also seeing

26:00

my daughter, my daughter's eight and she goes

26:02

to her local gymnastics. It's, and it's very

26:04

kind, but you can feel it's incredibly regiment

26:06

and strict. And from what I see is.

26:09

almost quite lonely because you're basically against the

26:11

world rather than being in a tick you

26:13

are in a squad yet but that's similar

26:15

with tennis. You're using against the people who

26:18

you're training with. Yeah. Which is a funny

26:20

old thing. Yeah and yet two of my

26:22

oldest longest friends and I'm godmother to both

26:24

of their daughters they've both got multiple daughters

26:27

and are from when I was 12 as

26:29

a gymnast. So... something connected there. And you

26:31

can see, I presume you've seen the Simone

26:33

Biles documentary, it's so fascinating seeing that they

26:36

all adore each other, those girls, in the

26:38

USA, Team USA, and obviously Simone was seen

26:40

as this, well, the, you know, the greatest

26:42

of all time, but they, and yeah, and

26:45

they kind of accept that, but they and

26:47

they will aromba, but also they achieve such

26:49

great things too, but I just, did you,

26:51

it doesn't sound like it was your total

26:54

passion and you fell into it. Yeah, no,

26:56

it was once I was in it. Yeah,

26:58

and what was you all in? And I

27:00

absolutely loved it and I didn't want to

27:03

do anything else and I was obsessed by

27:05

it. And it was rhythmic. Rhythmic gymnastics, which

27:07

is much more Banshoop's, clubs and balls. All

27:09

of it's on the mat, and it's apparatus

27:11

and it's not. in this country it's not

27:14

the strong suit of gymnastics. It was my

27:16

heroes were, when I was 15, my heroes

27:18

were Bulgarian or Russian, they were my absolute

27:20

idols and I'd watched grainy kind of VHS

27:23

tapes of them and then got to go

27:25

see some of them live and you know

27:27

and the 84 Olympics when I was the

27:29

first time rhythmic had been in the Olympics

27:32

but of course there was a boycotting by

27:34

a lot of the Eastern block countries so

27:36

Romania still went and the gymnastian one was

27:38

from Romania and I was just obsessed obsessed.

27:41

I just watched hours and hours and hours

27:43

of it. It gave me a hours of

27:45

it. It gave me a real. in. entry

27:47

into classical music and music because we could

27:50

only use one instrument for our music. It

27:52

had very strict rules. So most people have

27:54

piano and we used to have a live

27:56

pianist at competitions and then we played your

27:59

music and if they were good would... see

28:01

that you wanted to catch the ball on

28:03

a certain note so they would it was

28:05

amazing at the beginning and then I think

28:08

that was quite an expensive indulgence so then

28:10

we were off tapes and then they allowed

28:12

us to have non-piano so you could play

28:14

you could have a guitar piece or you

28:17

could have a violin piece so I'd spend

28:19

hours in the local library going through the

28:21

classical music sections at like 13 years old

28:23

looking for single instrument pieces so John Williams

28:25

the classical guitarist was one of my go-to's

28:28

and it was a real quirky 13 year

28:30

because I'd be in my bedroom playing all

28:32

this, the manninoff and stuff like that, going,

28:34

just this work for a club's routine. And

28:37

my sister was doing it as well, so

28:39

we'd be in our bedroom with our apparatus,

28:41

making up routines, and I suppose it was

28:43

a healthy obsession. That's amazing. It was an

28:46

obsession. What was the color of your outfit?

28:48

Oh, that was lots of different. You had

28:50

different ones for different routines and you tried

28:52

to match the mood of the music with

28:55

your, I mean that was a real kind

28:57

of... Did you enjoy that? I love that.

28:59

Did they have sparkles on? We weren't as

29:01

sparkles as they are now. We had, because

29:04

my mom wouldn't pay for these extraordinary expensive...

29:06

theatres that came from the states and stuff.

29:08

So me and my sister used to get

29:10

these bog standard ones and then try and

29:13

decorate them ourselves, but nobody in our family

29:15

has been gifted with real artistic talent. So

29:17

they looked, everything looked, everything looked, I used

29:19

to try and copy these pictures and they

29:22

just looked like a four-year-old had done them.

29:24

So it was quite sweet and naive. Whilst

29:26

you... carry on chatting, I'm just going to

29:28

assemble the bowls. I'm sorry that I'm kind

29:31

of back and forth. I want to know

29:33

how many suitcases of clothes did you take

29:35

to Paris? For the, this Olympics is gone.

29:37

Good question and my lovely, he was kind

29:39

of a production manager, Lloyd, who works, his

29:42

sadly left, worked on the BBC Olympic coverage

29:44

for us. so kind in taking one of

29:46

my extra cases out because we had to

29:48

travel on train they wouldn't let us fly

29:51

because of getting a thing called the Albert

29:53

stamps and make it more sustainable. And I

29:55

said well I can't take three cases on

29:57

the Eurostar and these are big cases. Oh

30:00

you're not alone? Well I just couldn't, how

30:02

was I going to get them off? Yeah,

30:04

yeah. So Lloyd bless him took one of

30:06

them for me so that I could get

30:09

all the clothes I wanted because it's not

30:11

just the clothes you wear, every day you

30:13

wear, every day you wear, you've got a

30:15

different, you wear, every day you've got a

30:18

different, you've got a different, you've got a

30:20

different, you wear, you wear, every day you've

30:22

got, you've got a different, you've got, every

30:24

day you've got a different, every day, you've

30:27

got, you've got, you've got, you've got, you've

30:29

got, you've got, you've got, you've got, you've,

30:31

you've got, and I like to exercise when

30:33

I'm away as well so you've got all

30:36

that stuff so... Every single thing I took

30:38

got used. I never waste, you know, a

30:40

cubic centimeter, but, and I always take my

30:42

own pillow as well when I travel. Do

30:45

you? Yeah. Why is it so special, your

30:47

pillow? Is it federal? No, it's like a

30:49

tempura memory foam pillow. Okay. I find if

30:51

you have my pillow, the bed can be

30:53

awful. As long as I've got my pillow,

30:56

it doesn't matter what the bed's like. Whereas

30:58

if you have rubbish pillows, I don't. that

31:00

I could take to ensure that I get

31:02

a good, because often we're working weird shifts,

31:05

you know, late nights, not getting your normal

31:07

quantity of sleep. And what was the food

31:09

like? Amazing. It was, and I love Paris,

31:11

and I've been quite a lot in the

31:14

last year and eating in some amazing restaurants,

31:16

but we were very lucky because normally when

31:18

you do sport in stadiums, you don't want

31:20

to eat anything in the stadium, right? That's

31:23

the food's rubbish. So you've got to take

31:25

your food either with you or your water

31:27

in, something. kind of like a pokey bolt

31:29

place near the hotel but it wasn't really

31:32

pokeyball because this woman had all kinds of

31:34

things and I just go and get these

31:36

amazing dishes made up every day so the

31:38

point where they told one of my colleagues

31:41

the day before the Olympics the day before

31:43

the Olympics finished they said can you tell

31:45

your friend that were not open tomorrow because

31:47

I was such a regular yeah that I

31:50

became interesting so having been in Paris quite

31:52

a lot over the last couple of years

31:54

and eaten some amazing places I did feel

31:56

that I was slightly I wasn't eating I

31:59

wasn't eating all these but we never had

32:01

a chance to sit and eat restaurants on

32:03

these kinds of trips because we get back

32:05

at midnight and you don't want to eat

32:07

at midnight and then the morning you're up

32:10

you're doing something and then you go and

32:12

it's so you sometimes you're in these incredible

32:14

places and you never actually get to experience

32:16

the city so how long were you there

32:19

for? This time only a couple of weeks

32:21

but I've been in various work trips and

32:23

personal trips because my kids were 18 last

32:25

year and we decided to do like a

32:28

good four-day trip to Paris for their 18th

32:30

so we ate into amazing places there. I

32:32

thought they are real foodies. What was your

32:34

favorite? We actually went back, Lois and I

32:37

went back to this restaurant which was owned

32:39

by a couple who is not far from

32:41

Saint-Germain, they were both bankers in London and

32:43

their Lebanese descent and they decided to set

32:46

up the food they wanted to eat and

32:48

this is tiny restaurant. The kitchen is here,

32:50

you can only fit about 12, 15 people

32:52

in the downstairs station. and they are the

32:55

only restaurant in Paris. I think the chef's

32:57

mission is star, but they're the only restaurant

32:59

in Paris where you can have every single

33:01

wine on their very extensive list by the

33:04

glass. That was their big thing. Oh, that's

33:06

amazing. So, and I, the names, you know,

33:08

midlife foggy. It will come. Just, yeah. And

33:10

I will tell you, they're great. So I've

33:13

sent a few people there in the last

33:15

year and they've all really enjoyed it. That

33:17

was my favorite meal. And are you best

33:19

mates with all the other? Yeah, we're really

33:21

doing it on really well. So clairboarding. So

33:24

clair, I don't get to see too much

33:26

during Olympics because she's on one shift and

33:28

I'm on another. We'll be working together in

33:30

two weeks doing sports personality of the year.

33:33

I know, with three women. Yeah, with Alex

33:35

as well. And so I love clair. She's

33:37

so funny and she's such a professional. She's

33:39

great. Love her. But I work with Denise

33:42

Lewis at the Olympics and Jess and Michael

33:44

and we have we have a really good

33:46

time, especially the girls, because we spend more

33:48

time together. I was dragging them out, managed

33:51

to get Jess to go to Barry's boot

33:53

camp in Paris with me, which was hilarious.

33:55

He's got to Paris. Yeah, well I was

33:57

doing Barry's in Berlin, Euros this summer. funny

34:00

you get waiting for a class at Barry's

34:02

boot camp with an Olympic head Taflon champion

34:04

it's hilarious because people were looking because there's

34:06

a lot of ex-pat people in there and

34:09

they were I could see people going Jess

34:11

in his hill. But I'd booked us in

34:13

with two of the makefatters we worked with.

34:15

So everybody was called Gabby according to the

34:18

instructor's list because I looked his all in.

34:20

So he kept shouting something to Gabby, something

34:22

to Gabby and we realised that he thought

34:24

we were all called Gabby. Yeah, so at

34:27

one point he said, well Dan Gabby, we

34:29

just all waved at him and he was,

34:31

this guy was completely confused, especially the people

34:33

that thought that was Jessen and its hill.

34:35

But yeah, she's, she's, she's, she's great. So

34:38

how did you meet Kenny, your husband? Oh,

34:40

we met in a bar in Chelsea. A

34:42

random, yeah, a real, yeah. That's fabulous. It

34:44

was really random. Just at the end of

34:47

a night, he was with a group of

34:49

players who've been out that day. They played

34:51

that day. My girlfriend I was with happened

34:53

to be a producer at Skye who worked

34:56

on rugby. Knew them because she'd made a

34:58

BT with them. Oh wow. And she said,

35:00

oh, I know those guys. I did the

35:02

people in last week. and gave me a

35:05

drink and just started chatting away and then

35:07

went around the corner and told his friend

35:09

he was chatting up Gabby Roslin. So... And

35:11

his friend came around the corner at Simon

35:14

and said, no you're not, you're chatting up

35:16

Gabby Yoreth, she's a football presenter. And he

35:18

went, yeah I know, but Kenny is really

35:20

dyslexic. So to this day, I don't know

35:23

whether he just got his names mixed up

35:25

or whether he genuinely thought the lady from

35:27

the big breakfast was potentially going to be

35:29

taken out by him the following week. So

35:32

yeah. And then he asked you out. Yeah

35:34

he had a great chat-up line. So we

35:36

ended up going over the road to this

35:38

24-hour restaurant called Vancatra on the Fulham Road

35:41

and just having it was non-alcoholic place so

35:43

we were sat there just eating and drinking

35:45

hot chocolate or tea or something until about

35:47

5 in the morning and we came out

35:49

to get cabs home there were four of

35:52

us and he put his arm around me

35:54

because it was really cold it was January

35:56

and he said oh I'm playing against Wales

35:58

next week at Murrayfield would you like to

36:01

come up and watch would you like to

36:03

come up and watch? And I thought that's

36:05

a good, and I said, I'm sorry I'm

36:07

going to a health farm with my girlfriend,

36:10

I can't make it. And he always laughs

36:12

about how I was, and I couldn't let

36:14

my girlfriend down. Anyway, I ended up watching

36:16

him on the tele, he scored like loads

36:19

of points and played brilliantly and he was

36:21

man of the match. And I said to

36:23

the girl, that's the guy. And she went,

36:25

I think he is the guy. And yeah,

36:28

so there you go. Please start, and it

36:30

may not, it made such a vat of

36:32

rice, there is more, and it may need

36:34

more salt, so I will not be offended

36:37

if you need to put some salt on.

36:39

Or it may be too much salt, I

36:41

don't know. Would this be a go-to lunch

36:43

for you? The salmon's delicious. Well, it's some

36:46

of grapefruit amiso and grapefruit zest. I love

36:48

a bowl. And I, would I, would I,

36:50

yeah. Yeah I would actually this was actually

36:52

quite straightforward if I wasn't trying to do

36:55

a podcast and chat at the same time

36:57

and but um I do love a bowl

36:59

and maybe I kind of got it right

37:01

because you like a poky bowl yeah I

37:03

love and I can't I don't know how

37:06

you do it I really don't I've such

37:08

admiration for you because I cannot I love

37:10

cooking I can't talk to anybody honestly barrack

37:12

Obama could walk in and I just say

37:15

sorry I'm not I know you're interesting but

37:17

not now yeah this is this is a

37:19

real skill to be able to chat and

37:21

this is not my recipe though this is

37:24

a New York Times recipe and I've been

37:26

following this guy Andy Barragani on Instagram and

37:28

this works this is tasty great perfect a

37:30

bit of Fafi but fine so Gabi we

37:33

ask everybody last supper at starter Maine Purd

37:35

drink would you like an alcoholic drink Right

37:37

now, yeah. No, I'm fine, thank you. You

37:39

look quite short, but more like an athlete,

37:42

see, you're such a pran. No, I'm not

37:44

very good at drinking during the day if

37:46

I've got stuff to do. Also, I'm supposed

37:48

to be going to my hygienist later, so

37:51

she might have something to say about that.

37:53

You'll just have some seaweed in your tooth

37:55

instead. So, starter, I love, you know Otalengi

37:57

style, love, it you know,

38:00

style dishes, I call it

38:02

Ottolenghi -style Sunday lunches are lots of

38:04

big plates of are lots

38:06

of big plates of

38:09

different kinds of vegetables. maybe

38:11

roasted, maybe roasted it's a fish it's

38:13

a fish or with we've done with

38:15

something interesting and lots of bits that

38:18

go with it They're my, that's my my favourite

38:20

kind of cooking. And it's also

38:22

it's also probably favorite kind of. food

38:24

really. So it does but if it's It

38:26

does, but then somebody my last supper

38:28

then somebody else is making it,

38:31

right? start and this is so random because

38:33

doesn't go with this is all but

38:35

I it doesn't go with it at all. But

38:37

I don't think these courses need to match,

38:39

do they? I don't need to... to no, no. I

38:42

love and I love, and I never order it because

38:44

nobody makes it well enough really in this

38:46

country. country. It's a a proper French onion

38:48

soup. soup. You know, proper... it

38:50

on Saturday. you? Mm Yeah, I mean,

38:52

I mean, I can't could I just everyone

38:54

went crazy for it, did they?

38:56

Yeah. Whose recipe was for it, did they?

38:58

made a combination recipe,

39:00

it? I made a combination recipe, Mary Berry.

39:02

was really good it was

39:04

really good bought the And I

39:06

bought the in a jar

39:08

from Marts and and it

39:11

was and it was liquid. Stock it

39:13

wasn't what stock a beef stock

39:15

beef. Yeah, and it was was in a

39:17

jar, a beef consummate stock And it was it

39:19

was really gorgeous, but bloody hell

39:21

it took It's kilos of off the problem as

39:23

well It that. after Yeah, that's the

39:25

problem as well. as your last supper.

39:27

Who cares about the gas, right?

39:29

Absolutely. So is that your that your starter?

39:31

know Well, I know that bit boring,

39:33

I'm but if I'm having all

39:35

that other stuff, which I'm going minute. so

39:37

delicious. delicious then I quite like I love and also you if

39:39

you you do it properly with with more

39:41

cheese cheese than you can possibly imagine,

39:43

it's not not a healthy starter, is

39:45

it? it? And don't think that's a problem

39:48

if it's your last supper, so

39:50

go for it last supper. So go for it on

39:52

the... She put top, on

39:54

mustard before put the cheese on. This

39:56

is it? This is Mary. Kind of like

39:58

like a proper monsieur. I did. do that I just

40:01

put the cheese on and gave two

40:03

pieces of baguette and everyone loved it.

40:05

Yeah loads of loads of lashing to

40:07

a French butter on a fresh baget.

40:09

That would be an absolute dream. I

40:12

mean before that we could have had

40:14

really interesting canopays couldn't we as well?

40:16

Do you like a canopé? I love

40:18

it. I do like it because it

40:20

seems like such effort that I'm not

40:22

doing. Do you know what I mean?

40:25

I'm like, I appreciate that. Especially when

40:27

they're in my mouth. Many versions of

40:29

whole meals? Yes, I love that. This

40:31

is really good. I can say that

40:33

because it's, um, not my recipe, but

40:35

I would make this again. I'll send

40:38

you the recipe. Thank you. It's gorgeous.

40:40

Would you like some more? No, I

40:42

would like some more, but I'm going

40:44

to say no, because you've got, you

40:46

mentioned the word pudding, the word pudding,

40:48

pudding. No, you've made a pudding. No,

40:51

I'm rubbish at, um, pudding. I am

40:53

too. So, let's see how it goes

40:55

and then I actually had to cook

40:57

dinner for Mary Barry. She came to

40:59

my house. Why? Are you friends? She's

41:02

a neighbor. And she, um, so she'd

41:04

invited us around for dinner, just Kenny

41:06

and I. What did she cook? She

41:08

did a very, um, her pudding is

41:10

go backwards from the, she'd made this

41:12

apple flan type French tart tart thing,

41:15

which was, which was, exquisite. It had

41:17

all the apples were kind of found

41:19

out and very... Okay, my one's going

41:21

to be a poor man's merry-berry-berry today,

41:23

okay? She knocked it up in about,

41:25

I think, you know, she, and she,

41:28

and the main course was, it wasn't

41:30

lamb, I cooked lamb for her because

41:32

I wanted to do a traditional, which

41:34

me did, she did a very traditional

41:36

main course, it might have been a

41:38

beef bif burgeny, maybe, and her starter

41:41

was a soup, Maybe her French onion

41:43

soup? No, it wasn't French onion soup.

41:45

She did very, it made it all

41:47

look like you have today. It was

41:49

all very straightforward, very easy. Whereas I

41:52

had to book a whole day off

41:54

work to prep for her dinner. But

41:56

that is because it's Mary Barry. So

41:58

do I. Because I just did. want

42:00

anything to go. I know the kids

42:02

were in the house but they weren't

42:05

sitting which is unusual but I just

42:07

felt like she didn't really want they

42:09

were eight or nine. Okay so they

42:11

were loitering kind of upstairs and then

42:13

they came running in at the end

42:15

and they what did you think of

42:18

mommy's dinner and asked her to you

42:20

know critique it and she was very

42:22

sweet and she was well I do

42:24

know what I did for pudding because

42:26

I'm so bad at dessert. I did

42:28

a cheesecake cake. Why not say that?

42:31

Well it's such a cop out isn't

42:33

it? It's like offering biscuits or something.

42:35

No! But she liked it because it

42:37

had a very crusty bottom. Oh well

42:39

done, no soggy pot. So she said,

42:42

oh and she asked me for the

42:44

recipe for my, I did a salsa

42:46

with this lamb and she asked me

42:48

for the recipe for the lamb and

42:50

she asked me for the restary soup

42:52

for Mary Barry. I mean I literally

42:55

was that terrible and petrified. She's such

42:57

a lovely woman and she moved out

42:59

of our village now she lives further

43:01

away but she I did a book

43:03

talk at Henley Festival and she came

43:05

and surprised me and sat in the

43:08

audience and because she lives in that

43:10

direction now and you know it totally

43:12

curtailed what I talked about because I've

43:14

got so much respect from her I

43:16

didn't want to make rude jokes I

43:18

do want to talk about kind of

43:21

anything that I normally wouldn't I I

43:23

kept changing my language to not be

43:25

sweary or say anything rude in front

43:27

her. I'm married for Scott. They think

43:29

the F word is just a punctuation

43:32

point in a sentence. And so, as

43:34

a result, we can be quite sweary.

43:36

Oh, that is the last of the

43:38

delivery delivery, so I'm going to get

43:40

them. Then we can pay Secret Santa.

43:42

Okay, darling. Alice. Producer, Alice, can you

43:45

please come and help us, give out

43:47

the presents? Gabby, this one's for you,

43:49

I believe. Thank you. And

43:52

Jesse? Thank you. Mom, you

43:54

open yours first. Oh, wow,

43:56

Jess. Thank you. Did you

43:59

get me there? I did

44:01

get you out because I

44:03

just know that you love

44:06

it. Chloe perfume. Darling, where

44:08

did you get it from?

44:10

The perfume shop on delivery.

44:12

You're kidding. Yep. You're next,

44:15

Gabby. I'm going to open

44:17

mine. Oh wow that's such

44:19

a tree thank you and

44:22

there's more and there's more

44:24

oh spice Clementine and pomegranate

44:26

oh Merry Christmas Gabby yes

44:28

that is Christmas in a

44:31

bottle is it a candle

44:33

yeah And a box which

44:35

has in it chocolate wonders.

44:38

Oh, thank you so much.

44:40

I just thought you needed

44:42

to relax. You didn't just

44:44

tell yourself. Yeah. Honestly, this

44:47

is, this is my Christmas.

44:49

You know when I come

44:51

back from doing all that

44:54

football? Yeah. Say on the

44:56

28th, you're going to like

44:58

your candle, I just like

45:00

my candle, eat my chocolate,

45:03

and maybe share that with

45:05

candy. Maybe, okay. Thank you

45:07

so much. Well I guess

45:10

Gabby, you've got me mine

45:12

then. Yeah. Okay, let's see

45:14

what we've got. you

45:17

could get Clarin's on delivery. Oh my

45:19

goodness this is like a blimmon show

45:21

stopper this is huge. This is called

45:24

a show stopper dog. Oh come on

45:26

I mean that is doubling up as

45:28

a handbag. What a clutch. Thank you

45:31

and I love miniatures. Well I just

45:33

thought at some point you are going

45:35

to get out the kitchen and go

45:38

back on tour. Yes I am. So

45:40

these will be quite handy for you.

45:42

Oh come on thanks. You can come

45:45

again Gab. Oh perfect. That is absolutely

45:47

perfect. Thank you. Now listen I'm going

45:49

to put the pudding in the oven

45:52

now. Okay. Whilst I go back to

45:54

the oven mom is going to get...

45:56

Get your finish off. Ah, last time.

45:59

So Maine, what do we do? So

46:01

Maine, I would like a lot dishes.

46:03

Fine, that's all right. Yeah. Just. go

46:06

for a big saltolengite type thing. So

46:08

maybe some overgines with pomegranates and some

46:10

kind of curried yogurt with it. Then

46:13

we'll have on the side maybe some

46:15

lentil. I know this sounds really healthy,

46:17

but I just love the lentils with

46:20

grilled tomatoes andiano and stuff like that.

46:22

Which you think for a last summer

46:24

I should be more indulgent. So here

46:27

it comes. Okay. Gonna have a massive

46:29

fill of beef. Just the best ever

46:31

quality of beef. What condiments are you

46:34

going to have? Well with all these

46:36

different bits, they're all kind of going

46:38

together don't they all work together. So

46:41

there'll be something with some carrots and

46:43

maybe something because Otallengi do some great

46:45

carrot recipes. That's not the only cookbook

46:48

I use but it is my go

46:50

to. Actually I'm sorry. They're simple. I

46:52

started to make some really good children

46:55

my house cookbook is quite hard to

46:57

follow but is their Caesar salad recipe

46:59

is... to die for. Really? I make

47:02

that quite, it involves like skinning to

47:04

get that couple. My mom bought me

47:06

it because she thought it looked beautiful

47:09

and it does, but it involves a

47:11

lot of ingredients. So you kind of

47:13

have to be ready to go, you

47:16

know, but it's worth it, worth the

47:18

effort. Maybe we'll throw that in on

47:20

the side as well. Yes, please do.

47:23

And then pudding, you're not a pudding

47:25

person. No, but if I have, if

47:27

there's anything that can tempt me on

47:30

a menu. A simple affogato, but I'm

47:32

not going to do that right now

47:34

because that's just too simple. It'll be

47:37

a sticky toppy pudding. Yeah, okay. With

47:39

a big dollar per vanilla ice cream,

47:41

probably. Do you like ice cream with

47:44

your sticky toppy pudding? Oh, yes, you

47:46

just said, yeah. No, do you never

47:48

have cream with it? No. I think

47:51

that's right. I've made a mistake there.

47:53

I prefer cream with it, because it's

47:55

so sweet. Okay. I prefer. But you've

47:58

got the sauce, but you've got the

48:00

sauce, the sauce, yes. Yeah, I'm not.

48:02

sourcing aren't you? You're double sourcing. I

48:05

like the hardness of the ice cream

48:07

with the soft and drink of choice.

48:09

We'd have some really gorgeous vintage champagne

48:12

to start. Oh champagne. Yeah just as

48:14

you know the with the can of

48:16

pace and then I would, oh it's

48:19

hard though because I do love a

48:21

gin and tonic and wine doesn't make

48:23

me very happy. You know it makes

48:26

I'm it makes me go to sleep

48:28

and it makes me feel... kind of,

48:30

it didn't used to. So as much

48:33

as I like the idea, and I

48:35

love watching it be poured for other

48:37

people. I probably won't be part of

48:40

it. I've got to work through it

48:42

and get back to the other end.

48:44

Let me tell you. You might go

48:47

through that period and then you'll come

48:49

up. I'm always tempted when I go,

48:51

especially when you're away in the sunshine

48:54

and the first rosay of the season,

48:56

of course, I want a glass of

48:58

rosay, of course, I'd like a nice

49:01

chilled. Why does he ever drink rosay

49:03

in the winter? Because we drink white

49:05

onesay is though. People do like to...

49:08

show off a bit with wine don't

49:10

you? And you can't show up with

49:12

rosé. It's kind of all the same

49:15

isn't it? There is not much variation.

49:17

Yeah but there's not much variation is

49:19

there between you know the the low

49:22

end and the high end is about

49:24

five pounds whereas with red wine people

49:26

do like that kind of oh yeah

49:29

and it's like a 90 pound bon

49:31

the wine I don't know I think

49:33

there's something in that that it's quite

49:36

democratic back somewhere. So I made for

49:38

the first time I walked in, it

49:40

was the first cold day we had

49:43

this year and I'd gone into my

49:45

supermarket of choice and all the root

49:47

vegetables were in the entrance and I

49:50

thought I'm gonna make a stew because

49:52

my mom would make a stew at

49:54

this time and there was always a

49:57

stew on the aga, she always a

49:59

naga and I've never made a stew.

50:01

I've never made a stew, I've made

50:04

a stew, so I made this stew

50:06

almost exactly how I remembered my mom

50:08

making it. And it was so nostalgiaaled

50:10

that like the bowl of stew just

50:13

took me right. back to coming in

50:15

from sport and everybody pouring them, you

50:17

know, ladling themselves up a bowl and

50:20

sitting in the table and getting some

50:22

bread and kind of, it just had

50:24

that real throwback to childhood. Wow. Mary

50:27

Barry, Barry, hello. It's not, look, how

50:29

did you do this in such kind

50:31

of secret stealth-like movements? Is this stealthy?

50:34

I'm like clattering. Wait for you, wait

50:36

for you, wait for me, eat it.

50:38

Right, okay, mom, you do that bit.

50:41

Did you get, did you grow up,

50:43

like being taught how to make this?

50:45

No, and by the way, the pastry

50:48

shop walk, so don't be too impressed.

50:50

But no, my mom like battered me

50:52

out of the kitchen. Do you want

50:55

to speak? I have a sliver, I

50:57

have a sliver, I have a slither,

50:59

yeah. Gabby Logan, thanks so much for

51:02

coming on. We are so happy to

51:04

have had you. We're happy to have

51:06

had Secret Santa with you. Thank you

51:09

so much to delivery. Thank you. My

51:11

gorgeous beautiful gift. Were they all from

51:13

waitress, my gifts? Yeah. Yeah, thank you.

51:16

They're really lovely. It's such an honour

51:18

to meet you. When I was a

51:20

16-year-old and wanted to be a football

51:23

journalist, I just looked at you and

51:25

was just like, this is actually possible

51:27

and you're amazing. You were such an

51:30

inspiration. You were such an inspiration. I

51:32

mean, I'm doing something slightly different now.

51:34

I thought... Yeah, I don't think it's

51:37

gone too bad though. So we're doing

51:39

okay, but I still think you have

51:41

a freaking job as well. I love

51:44

you. And not negative about Manchester United.

51:46

Could have been so different three weeks

51:48

ago, couldn't it? We could have been

51:51

there. Yeah. Could have

51:53

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51:55

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