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Hello and welcome to Terlenders.

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Hello and thank you

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for having us on

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Terlenders. Big day, big day. Indie

1:21

news, Maccabees, Glassenbury,

1:23

happening. Oh yeah, I feel like,

1:25

it's weird, because I told all you

1:28

guys about a while ago, so I

1:30

felt like that, yeah. Nice though,

1:32

exciting, exciting. Yes. I love that,

1:34

I break the news and feels like,

1:36

oh yeah, yeah, that's what it's like

1:38

with me and you and everything you've

1:41

ever done, Chip Show. Last seven years.

1:43

A certain young James Anderson's reaction to

1:45

everything amazing he's ever done. Yeah. Hello

1:47

and welcome to this Lucy cricket-based

1:50

podcast with me. G. Force Greg

1:52

James Jimmy Anderson, Felix White, and

1:54

in a bit, matching Tenderlker. He

1:56

is here with what he claims

1:58

to be his best... Quiz. Yeah,

2:00

but when has he ever not said

2:03

that? When has he ever not said

2:05

that? The guy backs himself and you've

2:07

got to respect that. Exactly, winning mentality.

2:10

That's how he's got to where he

2:12

is, which is basically at the top

2:14

of the game. I think he'd be

2:17

a really good boxer. Oh, okay. at

2:19

the press conference, a little something. Yeah,

2:21

yeah, yeah, yeah. And then go, oh,

2:24

you're kicking off, are you? Oh, sorry.

2:26

Oh, sorry I touched a nerve. I

2:28

actually, I can imagine, if he could

2:31

really box, he would be quite a

2:33

sort of Tyson-furi type character, wouldn't he?

2:35

He would be like an enigmatic, like

2:38

on the Mike Arthur and stuff, with

2:40

quizzes. He could be doing quizzes after

2:42

he knocked someone out of in the

2:45

world title, or in the world title,

2:47

that would be good. Yes, who did

2:49

I just knock out in two rounds?

2:51

So on today's trail finders. Yeah, we

2:54

have that we have that game we

2:56

have a little visit a little visit

2:58

I hope you've I hope you brought

3:01

you your best clothes and your monocles

3:03

because we're heading to the tap modern

3:05

a bit later. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. You

3:08

don't do you need to be in

3:10

dress in certain dress to get into

3:12

the tap modern please be respectful monocles

3:15

you have to do you have to

3:17

you have to do that pose that

3:19

people do and they they put one

3:22

hand on their chin and then cross

3:24

the other hand across their chest and

3:26

hmm mmm and stroke the beard slightly

3:29

that's actually good Jim do you go

3:31

to art galleries Jim have you had

3:33

an experience had any experience in art

3:36

gallery since sense that Not like the

3:38

tap modern or Louvre or anything like

3:40

that, but I do, I have got

3:42

artwork in my house, so I have

3:45

been to like art galleries, yeah. You

3:47

do, yeah. It's gone as a museum.

3:49

I don't just go in the afternoon

3:52

for a potter around and... Like a

3:54

little potter around. Yeah, I quite like

3:56

it. I do know what you mean

3:59

though, the hand on the chin and

4:01

the looking deeply into art. Yeah. Yeah.

4:03

There was a great tweet I saw

4:06

yesterday from, I can't remember who it

4:08

was from, it was a guy who

4:10

said, when you go into a museum

4:13

or a gallery, the first room you

4:15

go into, you go spend 20 minutes

4:17

in there reading every single thing, looking

4:20

at everything up close. Yeah. And by

4:22

the end of it, you just walked

4:24

through the last room and go. Yeah,

4:27

great, that's got a bit. Yeah, yeah,

4:29

yeah, got a general sense of this

4:31

one. Yeah, I get it, I get

4:33

it, I get it, I get it,

4:36

I get it. It's so true. Sculptures,

4:38

sculptures, sculptures, yeah, Renaissance paintings, yeah, Caravaggio,

4:40

boring, yeah, Caravaggio, boring, see ya. Caravaggio,

4:43

boring, see ya. Yeah, Caravaggio, boring, so

4:45

I didn't have my moniker on me,

4:47

because I didn't have my moniker on

4:50

me, because I didn't have my moniker

4:52

on me, I didn't have my monocha,

4:54

I didn't have my monocha, so I

4:57

didn't have my monocha, so I didn't

4:59

have my monocha, so I didn't, so

5:01

I didn't, so I didn't, I didn't,

5:04

I didn't, I didn't, I didn't, I

5:06

didn't, I didn't, I didn't, I didn't,

5:08

I didn't, I four more dress code.

5:11

You're welcome for a dear into the

5:13

four dress code, but I was in

5:15

the table and my friend said to

5:18

me that she had a theory that

5:20

everything in galleries should be massive because

5:22

what's the point otherwise? Like if you

5:24

walk into a gallery and see some

5:27

a photo the size of a photo

5:29

you'd normally see it out or could

5:31

see it in a book it's not

5:34

really wowing you is it like everything

5:36

should be like blown up ten times

5:38

a size and I kind of got

5:41

her I understood that idea. like you

5:43

want to be awed by everything if

5:45

your friend was single and so was

5:48

matching they should get married because that's

5:50

a very matching mentality to it is

5:52

quite isn't it so that that pause

5:55

was just me trying to put those

5:57

dots together and I don't think I

5:59

want to expose Lauren to matching so

6:02

far enough yeah plus both for and

6:04

happy relationships so Lauren would be happier

6:06

looking at the you know I can't

6:09

remember who did it's one famous put

6:11

a shark in a Like, Damien Hearst.

6:13

Damien Hearst, yeah. Yeah. So she'd rather

6:15

see that than that. on the wall.

6:18

Exactly. I think she would all, I

6:20

think she would most rather than banana

6:22

was massive. Basically, she's after a shark-sized

6:25

banana. Yeah, exactly. And in a way

6:27

I think we all are in life,

6:29

aren't we? The title of this episode

6:32

will be Shark-sized Banana. Yes, I would

6:34

like to swim with a shark. Let's

6:36

just make this podcast as impenetrable. Sorry,

6:39

sorry, sorry, sorry. No, no, no, no,

6:41

I know by calling it the Shark-sized

6:43

Banana. But also, we need to explain

6:46

what the TAT modern is for new

6:48

listeners. It's a place, it's a very

6:50

safe place, safe, beautiful place, where we

6:53

celebrate cricket TAT. memorabilia yeah old shirts

6:55

old programs old bits of whatever old

6:57

wisdons all that stuff so that's the

7:00

tap modern that's coming up later my

7:02

heart's about to sink as I say

7:04

let's talk about the champions trophy I

7:07

really I couldn't give a fuck no

7:09

I just I haven't I've ever been

7:11

less interested in a cricket tournament ever

7:13

yeah ever like this is the most

7:16

pointless thing of ever ignored. Is that

7:18

agreement Jim? Do you care to comment?

7:20

I don't know what you're talking about.

7:23

What I do, what I'd love, what

7:25

I'd love, actually what I'd love to

7:27

read, love you to read out Jimmy

7:30

was your lambistics message on the WhatsApp

7:32

group about the flying to and from

7:34

the various grounds. I think that's that's

7:37

good because we started talking about the

7:39

champions trophy a few weeks ago when

7:41

we... works out that obviously India were

7:44

not going to play in Pakistan but

7:46

they're going to play in Dubai but

7:48

they were playing at one specific ground

7:51

in Dubai so it's like come to

7:53

us if you want to play come

7:55

to us no no no but that

7:58

means that the logistics of all the

8:00

things and if they get to the

8:02

final whatever it's very very difficult so

8:04

Jim can you read out the rooting

8:07

for I think it was South Africa

8:09

who really bore the brunt of it.

8:11

Yeah, well we've, there has been chatter

8:14

about how it's sort of geared up

8:16

in favour of India, even though Pakistan

8:18

of the host country. Yeah, that's the

8:21

most India Pakistan thing ever. Yeah, it

8:23

was, I mean, I think we were,

8:25

the lads were like playing cards for

8:28

the fourth hour straight and they were

8:30

just flicking through Instagram and sort of

8:32

like India on the beach or visiting

8:35

the Burj. California would have played India

8:37

in that semi-final in Dubai. So when

8:39

South Africa beat us on Saturday, they

8:42

had to fly on Sunday to Dubai

8:44

because India were playing New Zealand to

8:46

see who finished top of that group.

8:49

Yeah. And if India lost to New

8:51

Zealand, they'd finished second and South Africa

8:53

would have played India in that semi-final

8:55

in Dubai. But India won that game.

8:58

Yeah. So then South Africa had to

9:00

fly back to Pakistan on Monday? Off

9:02

you pop. For their game on Wednesday?

9:05

Yes. New Zealand. Yeah. So they had

9:07

to fly back from Dubai as well

9:09

in New Zealand? Yeah, but New Zealand

9:12

had been there for a little bit.

9:14

Yeah, but New Zealand had been there

9:16

for a little bit. Yeah, but New

9:19

Zealand had been there for a little

9:21

bit for a little bit. So they

9:23

had to fly back from Dubai as

9:26

well, New Zealand. Yeah, but New Zealand

9:28

had been going to the Burge with

9:30

the Indian, didn't. Yeah it does. Good,

9:33

good, good, good South Africa plant, plus

9:35

one as well. It seems like a

9:37

bit of a Fafdu Pasee. That's what

9:40

I just said. Well, no, I just...

9:42

Sorry, what did you say? Or did

9:44

you say? Don't worry. Did you say

9:46

a Fafte, Pasee? No, I said it's

9:49

a good South Africa pun. Sorry. So,

9:51

yeah, New Zealand. After a quick visit

9:53

to Pakistan, I think they've got a

9:56

chance. I think they're a really good

9:58

team, aren't they to watch? I love

10:00

watching these. lovely mix of like powerful

10:03

players Williamson the other day just majestic

10:05

lovely word him and Joe Root and

10:07

Colley possibly the three best 50 over

10:10

the players in the world at the

10:12

minute so good to watch yeah that's

10:14

so interesting just roots Colley Williamson you

10:17

say the top three fifty over cricket

10:19

I mean in that role so obviously

10:21

you've got all right yeah yeah yeah

10:24

yeah yeah yeah class and who's but

10:26

he you put him down more as

10:28

a sort of stronger hitter down the

10:31

back order, middle order. Yeah. That like

10:33

number three and four spot. The clue

10:35

that holds a team together. I feel

10:37

like I was three just, because everyone

10:40

thinks that they're nudges and nurders, but

10:42

actually they all score over 100 strike

10:44

rate. Yeah. More often than not. Yeah.

10:47

It's effortless. Yeah. I see other people

10:49

trying to get their strike rate up

10:51

above a run a run a ball

10:54

and it looks like effort. Those guys

10:56

just managed to then rotate the strike

10:58

brilliantly against spin. They've always got an

11:01

outshot, they've always got some area of

11:03

the field, they can penetrate it for

11:05

a boundary and they might not necessarily

11:08

hit the big sixes that you see

11:10

from other people but I just think

11:12

they're class. Probably Williamson's the least powerful

11:15

of those three wouldn't he in terms

11:17

of hitting ability words? Is it he?

11:19

Yeah I mean you think like people

11:22

get that sort of perception of perception

11:24

of them but he's... All three of

11:26

them can clear the ropes. They're all,

11:28

you know, it's not like they're weak

11:31

things and they're just an eight year

11:33

old playing under 15th cricket. It's like

11:35

they play the game differently at their

11:38

own pace and I just love watching

11:40

them. I've got some questions, Jim, I've

11:42

got some questions for you Jim. If

11:45

in a 50 over game, the team

11:47

are 10 for 2, which out of

11:49

those three do you want coming in

11:52

in in the final? Joe root for

11:54

me, I mean that's because I'm a

11:56

slightly biased. There's 10 overs left, they're

11:59

200 for 2, and the players got

12:01

to come in and win the game

12:03

in the last 10 overs, they couldn't,

12:06

they need 80 off the last 10

12:08

overs. Colley, nice. Yeah, he is averaging

12:10

64 and a half in one day

12:13

internationals. Smith called him the greatest chaser

12:15

the game has ever seen. He scored

12:17

28 of his 51 hundreds in ODIs

12:19

in chases. Am I reading this? Yes,

12:22

I am. But I still believe it

12:24

and I still mean it. Yeah, it

12:26

still got 23 hundreds in the first

12:29

inning. It's quite good in the first

12:31

thing as well. Insane. Could you ever,

12:33

because Tendalka famously opened the batting in

12:36

one day cricket and batted four test

12:38

cricket, it's coley never, they've never been

12:40

an idea that coley could open in

12:43

one day cricket. Don't you two? Yeah,

12:45

different players. Yeah, different players. Yeah, different

12:47

players. Yeah, different players. You know, different

12:50

players. They can buy anywhere, can they?

12:52

Off you go. No, no, Jasper is

12:54

next. I want to talk about Josh

12:57

Butler, one of my favourite people that's

12:59

ever played cricket, felt sad for him.

13:01

But it's better that he's not captain

13:04

in it. It's just so much better.

13:06

Just so much better. All we want

13:08

to see is just Butler with a

13:10

smile on his face, just belting the

13:13

ball out the ground. That's all we

13:15

need. That's it. That's all he should

13:17

be there for. It's all we need

13:20

from him. It's hard to say, in

13:22

the press conferences you have that sense

13:24

from, for example, Afferton asking questions. He's

13:27

like, I don't even really want to

13:29

ask this question, but I've got to

13:31

ask you. Do you know what I

13:34

mean? It's a bit about energy at

13:36

the moment. He was as bored with

13:38

the champions trophy as we are. He

13:41

don't want to be there. He's getting

13:43

paid to be there as well. We're

13:45

not getting paid to think about it.

13:48

We're not going to volunteers on this

13:50

podcast on this podcast, but you know.

13:52

Certainly not an England match fee. Getting

13:55

paid to slug it off, back in

13:57

England. Who's the next captain Jimmy? Good

13:59

question. Harrybrook? Harrybrook's

14:02

been vice captain for a little

14:04

while. I think he's done a little bit

14:06

of captaincy in one of

14:08

the whiteball formats, maybe T20. I'm

14:11

hearing rumours today Jim about Ben

14:13

Stokes coming out of one day

14:15

retirement captain the short form team.

14:18

Have you heard anything about this?

14:20

I haven't heard anything concrete

14:22

now. But I mean... It's difficult because

14:24

a 50 over... I think 50 over

14:26

is slightly different to T20. Like if

14:28

you think... Thanks Greg. If you think

14:30

back to the 19 World Cup, when

14:33

England did really well, I think back

14:35

to O. Morgan's captain seeing those

14:37

middleovers with the ball in

14:39

particular, using the boulders that we

14:41

had really well, you know, finding ways

14:44

of game wickets in those quieter periods

14:46

in the middle of the lovers. I

14:48

think that's what we've potentially been missing

14:51

the last 12 months. Yeah, it's not

14:53

necessarily just the captain, but I think...

14:55

the bowlers have got to take some

14:58

responsibilities. Well, yeah, you think of plunk

15:00

it. I know where she's been brilliant,

15:02

but he's not being probably backed up

15:04

well enough by the other bowlers. So

15:07

I think that's an area for

15:09

improvement. And I think someone like

15:11

a Ben Stokes, that's what he could

15:13

bring to that team. I mean, it's a tough

15:15

ask for someone who's not done it before

15:17

to come in and then try and put

15:20

their own stamp on a new team, or

15:22

they'll say that it could be a good

15:24

thing for the group. really like from a

15:26

fan's point of view, I wouldn't really mind

15:29

whether it's someone knew like a Harry

15:31

Brooke or whether it's Ben Stokes. I

15:33

think both have got their positives.

15:35

But I think it's, you know, I've

15:37

seen Josh the last few weeks, you

15:39

know, he looked like he was wearing

15:41

the weight of the world on his

15:43

shoulders. So I think it's good for

15:46

him because England need him performing at

15:48

his best. Yeah. You know, it'd be

15:50

interesting to see whether he keeps again.

15:52

Now he's not captain. Almost it

15:54

feels like that 2015 World Cup

15:57

moment when we lost to Bangladesh

15:59

and then... we've basically shipped

16:01

a few people out and got

16:03

some, you know, had a sort

16:05

of freshen up of ideas and

16:07

people in the team. Possibly that

16:09

sort of moment when they're, you

16:11

know, building up to the next

16:13

World Cup might be the right

16:15

thing to do. Yeah, it's exciting

16:17

when these little cycles happen because

16:19

something good has to happen next

16:21

because it can't really get much.

16:23

worse at the minute, but that's

16:25

something good will come out of

16:27

this because they have to address

16:29

all the problems. On the Ben

16:31

Stokes thing, he loves a comeback.

16:33

He loves, that is such a

16:35

Ben Stokes move to go. I'll

16:37

do it. Come on. Yeah, and

16:39

you can imagine with McCollum and

16:41

Stokes, then wanting to do both

16:43

of them, can't you? It'll be

16:45

fun. And the just about the

16:47

thing, it's, it was sort of

16:49

shades of shades of, I felt

16:51

really sad because I felt, because

16:53

I hate it, because I hate

16:55

it, because I hate it, because

16:57

I hate it, because I hate

16:59

it, because I hate it, He's

17:01

like, oh, he just doesn't need

17:03

this. And he can just go

17:05

back to doing his thing and

17:07

look what's happened to Joe. He's

17:09

had a complete, I mean, he's

17:11

gone up five levels since not

17:13

being captain. We actually said that.

17:15

He did a nice chat after

17:17

the last game and he didn't

17:19

mention that once you're freed of

17:21

the captain, he shackles. You know,

17:23

he's gone through the roof of

17:25

his form since he's a cricket.

17:27

And I'm really hopeful that happens

17:29

with Josh because... You look back

17:31

to him at his absolute best

17:33

and there's not many better whiteball

17:36

players in the world than him.

17:38

Best. So in them with a

17:40

100% just but there will be

17:42

a extremely strong team. Yeah, it

17:44

would. Well go well Joss. We

17:46

know that he listens every now

17:48

and then. We know that Joe

17:50

listens every now and then. So

17:52

go well to both of them.

17:54

Jimmy, let's talk about the 100

17:56

draft shall we? Oh, do we

17:58

need to get Adam Collins on

18:00

the line or... So how many

18:02

bags of crisps they offered you

18:04

then? I've been off anything yet,

18:06

right? Okay, so we've asked you

18:08

in years gone by. if you

18:10

wanted to go into the draft

18:12

but you haven't I guess because

18:14

of England commitments what's the plan

18:16

superchargers originals what you feeling I

18:18

don't care I want to play

18:20

cricket I want to play cricket

18:22

Greg okay yeah that's why I've

18:24

done it that's why I love

18:26

it in the IPL auction I

18:28

want to I still feel like

18:30

really hungry for I was thinking

18:32

that today right so I've been

18:34

in an old traffic for a

18:36

bowl this morning and I went

18:38

to the bed last night thinking

18:40

about bowling the next day like

18:42

I'm really excited yeah that reminded

18:44

me like what I felt like

18:46

as a kid when I you

18:48

know you knew you had cricket

18:50

coming up yeah or sport in

18:52

general and you just yeah you

18:54

got excited about it so I

18:56

just want to play on buzzing

18:58

for the start the county season

19:00

love it and yeah I just

19:02

I want to give it I've

19:04

watched the hundred of clothes see

19:06

you know I've commentated on it

19:08

talk to people who have played

19:10

in it and I've loved to

19:12

experience it to if it doesn't

19:14

happen it doesn't happen like you

19:16

know the IPL didn't happen you

19:18

know i'm not thinking that it's

19:20

guaranteed i'm gonna get picked up

19:22

i'm realistic in the fact that

19:24

you know it's been a while

19:26

since i play whiteball cricket but

19:28

i'm working really hard at my

19:30

game will continue to work really

19:32

hard i'm gonna play T20s for

19:34

lengths hopefully this season so yeah

19:36

i'm just buzzing to play cricket

19:38

and trying oh yeah i just

19:40

don't really what else to say

19:42

i love playing the game it's

19:44

great That's it, that's all we

19:46

need. Keep my fingers crossed that

19:48

someone out there needs a folder.

19:50

I think we were just like,

19:52

we were just taking in that

19:54

that's a lovely thing. Yeah, are

19:56

you going to play T20 cricket

19:58

as well for thanks to Jim?

20:01

Yeah, well, that's sort of, yeah,

20:03

what we've discussed, but again, it

20:05

completely depends on who's available. There's

20:07

an England whiteball tour, not a

20:09

tour, but... Let's see, I'm really

20:11

sorry, around some of the Bobass

20:13

games, I think. So we might

20:15

lose, for example, sacking my mood.

20:17

So then there's a potential spot

20:19

there. But again, I think the

20:21

exciting thing for me is like

20:23

with that, I'm well aware I've

20:25

not played white ball cricket for

20:27

a couple of years. So I've

20:29

almost got to prove myself to

20:31

the coach and the captain that

20:33

I can still do a job

20:35

or more than do a job.

20:37

I think, you know, I'm hopeful

20:39

that I can perform well with

20:41

a white ball, you know, got

20:43

the skills that I've... you know

20:45

you don't just forget out to

20:47

bowl with a white ball or

20:49

forget out to bowl a snowball

20:51

that's the sort of stuff I'll

20:53

be working on as well I

20:55

think during the season obviously you

20:57

want to get the championship season

20:59

underway and start well get some

21:01

wins with the Red ball but

21:03

also I'll be having half an

21:05

hour on the double white ball

21:07

stuff and trying to develop skills

21:09

work on up to speak for

21:11

that's exciting all around though isn't

21:13

it that's exciting for the game

21:15

playing with the crowds there's just

21:17

the spectacle of it that that

21:19

will be totally that's a great

21:21

prospect isn't it for watching Jimmy

21:23

it is do something like challenge

21:25

yourself in a completely different way

21:27

than you were challenging yourself right

21:29

for the previous 20 summers that's

21:31

the sort of thing if anyone's

21:33

read Jimmy's latest book or just

21:35

even heard him talking he is

21:37

So hell bent on just getting

21:39

better and refining skills and finding

21:41

out new things that you can

21:43

do with the ball. I think

21:45

that is exciting from a fan's

21:47

perspective I'm I'm excited for that

21:49

just to see to see what

21:51

that see how that pans out.

21:53

That's that's a cool thing. Does

21:55

it feel like a second gym

21:57

since you played because obviously your

21:59

last test was the first test

22:01

of the last summer so it

22:03

probably felt like a Yeah, it

22:05

feels ages. Yeah, because ages and

22:07

I feel like the first game

22:09

I'm going to try and build

22:11

9 miles an hour. I mean,

22:13

he's absolutely phasing for that first

22:15

game. You'll be running up for

22:17

Manchester. You're just starting to run

22:19

up in Manchester Piccadilly, aren't you

22:21

like that? delivering the ball at

22:23

Lord's. Oh God, rest in peace,

22:26

those middle sex openers on the

22:28

first day of the county season,

22:30

Jesus. Let's pop on a shirt

22:32

and tie and shove the monocles

22:34

in and take a little trip

22:36

to the tap modern where we're

22:38

greeted by a new curator for

22:40

the afternoon and it's George the

22:42

Greenkeeper. George is showing us an

22:44

exhibit. He's bought a copy of

22:46

Botham's ashes on VHS. Okay. And

22:48

a scorecard from the 1993 Nat

22:50

West final between Sussex and Warwickshire.

22:52

And he got both for under

22:54

a tenor. Go on George. Love

22:56

you George. Nice see that George

22:58

scrubs up well as well in

23:00

the tap modern. And a monicle.

23:02

Does he have a little descriptive

23:04

piece next to explain what they

23:06

are? Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

23:08

But what I prefer to do

23:10

is I prefer to look at

23:12

the 1993 program just for a

23:14

bit and just get my own

23:16

meaning from it before I go

23:18

read. Yeah, do you know what

23:20

I mean? That's the thing about

23:22

art, isn't it, that artists sort

23:24

of leave half the work for

23:26

you to do? Exactly, exactly. It's

23:28

what I think is what you

23:30

think. You might think this is

23:32

a 1993 network network network network

23:34

program. Yeah. I think so. But

23:36

in a way, Phoenix. If we

23:38

are being deep about this, then

23:40

that program means, and that scorecard

23:42

means, so much to each person,

23:44

but in a very different way.

23:46

Exactly. It means different things for

23:48

each person that looks at it.

23:50

Yeah, one man's hat is another

23:52

man's... Treasure? Treasure? Tom's e-meled in.

23:54

He's doing a remote curation. He

23:56

says, hi, gee, force, fee, Jimmy,

23:58

shot, native of the movie, and

24:00

everyone makes this podcast what it

24:02

is. Well, let me just say

24:04

this. You make this podcast what

24:06

it is, dear listener. Tom says,

24:08

long time this is the first

24:10

time contributor to the tap modern,

24:12

thanks for having me in the

24:14

tap modern. My grandfather, a wonderful

24:16

man, called Derek Lee, first got

24:18

me into cricket at an age

24:20

when being pushed around the garden

24:22

in a wheelbarrow was the highlight

24:24

of any young lad's childhood. To

24:26

be honest, I would love that

24:28

to happen now. Sharky's not in

24:30

for the benefit of a taint.

24:32

Would you want to push me

24:34

around a garden in the shark?

24:36

Yes, you're faded up. Yeah, great

24:38

fun. Great fun. Brilliant. Lovely by

24:40

it out. Like grommit. You know,

24:42

side car. Yeah. Hmm. Anyway. You

24:44

are quite grommit, actually, Sharky. Sharky

24:46

is. Cras got a little bit

24:49

of a grommit vine. Yeah. Oh,

24:51

I imagine the limbs, Greg, if

24:53

you're in a wheelbarrow, just floppy.

24:55

Greg around in a wheelbarrow. Anyway,

24:57

I thought that the highlight of

24:59

any life was to be driven

25:01

around in a wheelbarrow, says Tom,

25:03

until the game of cricket was

25:05

introduced to me. My granddad had

25:07

a tiny workshop where we'd carve

25:09

out cricket bats from planks of

25:11

wood with a hack saw and

25:13

a chisel, which explains why I

25:15

then went on to be a

25:17

bowler and left the batting to

25:19

those who knew better. Anyway, I'd

25:21

love to share a story slash

25:23

entry to the tap modern with

25:25

you all. My grandfathers brother was

25:27

a man called Percy Lee. From

25:29

all accounts he was a great

25:31

guy who enlisted in the army

25:33

at 16 and despite nobody questioning

25:35

his age went on to serve

25:37

his country proudly. Until the age

25:39

of 17 during the war he

25:41

lost his leg in battle. While

25:43

recovering back in the UK he

25:45

was visited by a legend of

25:47

the game one day while receiving

25:49

treatment. With one leg hoisted upright

25:51

and the other missing he was

25:53

glad to spend a good hour

25:55

discussing the war and the wonderful

25:57

game of cricket we all adore.

25:59

With none other than Jack Hobbs.

26:01

Oh no way! What? I've attached

26:03

to- I've attached to- I've attached

26:05

to- so from Mr Hobbs with

26:07

his legendary stance photographed in front

26:09

of the wicket accompanied by a

26:11

signature on the front leg pad

26:13

and dedication to my grandfather Derek

26:15

saying the following dear Percy Lee

26:17

with best wishes for a complete

26:19

and speedy recovery Jack Hobbs and

26:21

he signed it no way incredible

26:23

that is fantastic what they just

26:25

happened to be waiting in hospital

26:27

next to each other type vibe

26:29

I think it was a visit

26:31

they must have arranged a visit

26:33

visit yeah cheer up the troops

26:35

yeah Anyway, Tom continues quickly. He

26:37

says, while I admire his suggestion

26:39

and optimism for a speedy recovery,

26:41

Percy's leg was very much left

26:43

back in France. Oh. But he

26:45

went on. to be a wonderful

26:47

uncle to my mom and her

26:49

sisters, and a great inspiration for

26:51

an aspiring fan of cricket past

26:53

our many generations. My granddad sadly

26:55

passed away during COVID, but was

26:57

truly an extraordinary man and travelled

26:59

miles across the country to watch

27:01

me open the bowling, or do

27:03

my best to do so at

27:05

least, from school level and above.

27:07

While this entry into the tap

27:09

modern is too personal to send

27:11

in, sorry Felix, I hope the

27:14

photo and story provide another reminder

27:16

as to why this game provides

27:18

more than sunburn and back acheke,

27:20

but truly leaves a lasting impression

27:22

on all of. Thank you for

27:24

all the great work that the

27:26

Trail Finders cast and support team

27:28

provide. Sharkies is a support team.

27:30

This is much more than a

27:32

podcast. I'd say it is sort

27:34

of it is sort of a

27:36

fun call. And please continue to

27:38

showcase why this game is the

27:40

best out there. Tom from Hartford.

27:42

Tom, go well, brilliant email. Thank

27:44

you, cheers. Can I just quickly

27:46

say a massive go well, cheers?

27:48

I know we're in the Tech

27:50

Modern still, but Maccabe did some

27:52

photos last week with a great

27:54

photographer called Charlie Cummings who, while

27:56

he was photographing us, said I've

27:58

got a general cricket sadness about

28:00

the time he was too rushed

28:02

to put a box in when

28:04

he was 16 pound cricket was

28:06

obviously inevitably hit in the area

28:08

that the box would have been

28:10

had to go to hospital and

28:12

the doctor said his testicle might

28:14

have to be removed from which

28:16

from his state of shock he

28:18

said to the doctor if you

28:20

do have to remove it can

28:22

I keep it? Fortunately it never

28:24

did have to but massive go

28:26

well to Charlie always good to

28:28

meet tellenders randomly in the world

28:30

especially when it happens to be

28:32

taking your photograph. It's lovely to

28:34

share that story with you to

28:36

be like it's intimate first thing

28:38

you say to someone is I

28:40

wish I actually asked the doctor

28:42

if I could keep my wallet

28:44

exactly exactly what was he going

28:46

to do with it? When's that

28:48

coming out? I don't know. I

28:50

didn't go too far into that,

28:52

but I guess it was just

28:54

out of, I thought like state

28:56

of shock slash morbid fascination. Anyway.

28:58

Have we done with a tap

29:00

modern? No, no, no, no. You

29:02

want to call back in everyone?

29:04

No, no, no. No, no. No,

29:06

you want to call back in

29:08

everyone. No, no, no. If it

29:10

opened for a few minutes. One

29:12

player was throwing some shirts away

29:14

because there's new kick for the

29:16

England team. So I thought I'd

29:18

steal one. And he signed it.

29:20

No! No! Jimmy's describing up. Yeah,

29:22

describe, yeah, explain it. I've got

29:24

Liam Livingston's master from the last

29:26

game. So I think he batted

29:28

in it, so it's almost new.

29:30

Oh, yes. Can I just want

29:32

to say something on record here

29:34

that I love the champions trophy?

29:36

Yeah, yeah. Despite what I've just

29:39

been saying for the last three

29:41

weeks, it is such a brilliant

29:43

example of what the ICC can

29:45

do if they get their heads

29:47

together and a showcase of some

29:49

of the finest talent in the

29:51

world, all in one place, two

29:53

places, it's brilliant. And now you've

29:55

got permanent reminder of it because

29:57

I've got the branding on the

29:59

shirt championship. selfie brand. Well that's

30:01

great. Is it your favorite tournament?

30:03

We'll never ever forget. I said

30:05

so thank you. Well it just

30:07

says Pakistan and not in Dubai

30:09

on it. Well I'll add that

30:11

so it's accurate. When Jim sent

30:13

it to me I was like

30:15

I think Greg will get that framed.

30:17

Right I will. No I'm gonna wear it.

30:19

Did you, Jim, did you tell Liam Livingston

30:21

it's for Greg James? Was there any, or

30:23

did he just got him sent sign it

30:25

for Greg and that was it? I did

30:27

tell him it was for Greg James. Yeah,

30:30

but I don't think he listens, I'm not

30:32

sure he's fully aware of Greg's admiration of

30:34

him or his... Hey, let me just, let

30:36

me just say this, as an impartial cricket

30:38

pundit, it's not admiration, it is just, I

30:40

just rate him, I just think he's gonna

30:42

be good for the game for the game

30:44

one day, one day. All right. Let's that's

30:47

really kind. Thank you, Jimmy. Very, very good.

30:49

Love it very much. I guess, yeah. Fee,

30:51

actually, that's a great reminder

30:54

of general cricketing sadnesses. We

30:56

do love that. It's one

30:58

of our longest running features,

31:00

apart from matching. It was

31:02

our longest running feature. And

31:04

here's a feature. It will

31:06

outlive all of us. Yep.

31:08

But if you've got any general

31:10

cricketing sadness stories, maybe you

31:12

lost a bolic. just just

31:14

stories about that but you

31:17

know the the odd no

31:19

don't make them just that

31:21

area base any kind of

31:23

sadness cricket related yeah however

31:26

flippants or profound I've

31:28

mentioned his name we're now gonna

31:30

hear his voice matching hello

31:32

hello hello oh yeah we're good we

31:35

haven't got time for pleasant trees

31:37

you have said this is your

31:39

best quiz again you have said

31:41

this is your best quiz Okay,

31:44

an original quiz format

31:46

from the producers of

31:48

Cricket Girl from Captain

31:50

or Cake. Welcome to Alzap.

31:52

Thank you for having us

31:54

in Alzap. I'm excited by

31:57

this. I think you're returning

31:59

format. It could be a

32:01

returning former, I think Greg,

32:04

you could use us on

32:06

the Breakfast Show. I can

32:08

imagine like Jedwood or the

32:10

Rock maybe playing this. Also,

32:12

so, it's a game you

32:15

could play with your teammates

32:17

if you're playing locally. Jedwood

32:19

or the Rock. Yeah. This

32:21

will give us a rare

32:24

and exclusive insight into our

32:26

host's phone. Oh, I've thought

32:28

you're subconscious and subconscious. Here's

32:30

how you play. You're all

32:32

users of the messaging app,

32:35

WhatsApp. I'm aware of it.

32:37

Yep. For those who don't

32:39

know, there is a search

32:41

facility on what's up where

32:44

you can enter a word

32:46

or phrase and it will

32:48

immediately bring up every conversation

32:50

that you've ever had where

32:52

you've used that word. Okay.

32:55

So you'll take it in

32:57

terms as a metaphorical quizzical

32:59

bowler. Yep. And you can

33:01

choose who you want to

33:04

buy against, you have other

33:06

contestants there. You bowl a

33:08

cricket related word at them.

33:10

So a lupi left arm

33:12

language. Right. Anything. It could

33:15

be a player. It could

33:17

be a phrase. A term.

33:19

Anything you might think might

33:21

appear in their WhatsApp conversations.

33:24

All right? Can't be too

33:26

basic. It can't be like

33:28

cricket or bat. I'll do

33:30

that on Noble. The batter

33:32

facing you will then search

33:35

in their WhatsApp history for

33:37

that word and read out

33:39

the message. Give us the

33:41

context and runs will be

33:44

scored for how honest and

33:46

open they are with their

33:48

explanation. Can I just say

33:50

it also gives even names

33:52

when other people sent you

33:55

that word? Yeah, exactly. Okay.

33:57

So another person's in your

33:59

spine. That's good. This is

34:01

good. If they refuse to

34:04

read out the message, the

34:06

bowling gets a wicket and

34:08

you'll hear. How's that? Okay.

34:10

Does that make sense? Yeah,

34:12

it makes sense. Yeah, great.

34:15

Simple. Yeah, so... It's great.

34:17

How'd you get it runs?

34:19

Just by answering it free,

34:21

you know, for five. Okay,

34:24

fine. Okay, okay, fine. Okay.

34:26

I love to bow, yeah.

34:28

New ball, yeah. New ball,

34:30

uh, do you want to

34:32

bowl against Alex or Jim?

34:35

I'd like to bowl against

34:37

Jimmy. Jimmy Allison. Okay, yeah,

34:39

good answer. Is he good

34:41

answer? Please take Madison. Have

34:44

you got your, yeah, got

34:46

your phone in front of

34:48

you? Yeah. What's that there?

34:50

Coming into bowl, Greg James.

34:52

And I'm gonna probe outside

34:55

the off stump with a

34:57

little outswinger and on the

34:59

outswinger has the word Peterson.

35:01

How do you spell that?

35:04

P-I-I-I-I- P-I-E-P-I-E-T-E-R-K-P-B-B-B-B-E-N. Oh K-P-B-B-B-B-B-I-I-P-B-B-B-I-B-B-B-B-B-I-B-B-I-I-I-I-I-A-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I What,

35:06

him saying Peterson? Oh yeah.

35:08

Hello, it's Kevin Peterson here.

35:10

Right, I guess. The, uh,

35:12

the only thing that's come

35:15

up is actually from the

35:17

Turners group. Felix, saying take

35:19

out maybe some of my

35:21

bits about Kevin Peterson. How

35:26

long have I'm getting out?

35:28

I'm not even batting. You

35:31

were, you were, you were,

35:33

you were, you were out

35:35

of your crease. You shouldn't

35:38

have been backing up so

35:40

far. I won't run out.

35:42

I wasn't even on strike.

35:44

Well, because he, he hit

35:47

it straight, he's straight back

35:49

at me and I just,

35:51

I just towed it onto

35:54

the stumps. I would like

35:56

to bowl again. Jimmy!

36:00

No, please, please don't worry.

36:02

Give us a word or

36:04

a phrase or anything really.

36:06

Anything else can you be

36:08

interested in finding out about that

36:10

might be on Jimmy's phone? I'm

36:13

just trying to think of which

36:15

Australian or... I'm gonna do

36:17

a cricketer. Okay, I'm gonna

36:19

do the obvious one. I'm

36:21

running in, new ball. It's gonna

36:23

sing about a bit, landing on

36:25

a length. it's moved or seemed

36:27

a fraction as it moves past

36:30

the battle i'm gonna say coley oh

36:32

nice very nice it can't be from

36:34

a tail enders one oh here we go

36:36

they're all tail enders no it

36:38

can't be ignored ignore the ignore

36:40

the tail enders ignore it that is

36:43

void come and go Greg James in

36:45

the next one as he said it of

36:47

you said it you've got to say it

36:49

you've got to say it there's only

36:51

coley in good condition in that

36:54

team in that team that team

36:56

in that team That was 29th

36:58

of December 24th. How are we

37:01

coming off this badly from bowling

37:03

at you? No, I think Jim

37:05

said that, didn't you? Yeah, that

37:07

was media. Oh, he's at all.

37:10

Okay. I think we were having

37:12

a fitness discussion. Yeah. Right.

37:14

Should we be going to

37:16

run him? Jim, do you

37:18

want to take the ball? Yeah.

37:20

Who'd you want to ball

37:22

against? Oh, look, Greg. I

37:24

don't really know where to go with this

37:26

though because I think a train is

37:29

not necessarily correct. It doesn't have to

37:31

be anything salacious either. It could just

37:33

be, it don't have to be, you

37:35

know, drop someone in it. It could

37:37

be something you're interested in. Could be

37:39

nice, could just be a nice thing.

37:41

Could be a nice thing. Yeah, the

37:43

game could be a nice game. Let's

37:45

not use it for people. Come on.

37:47

Yeah, usually powers for good. I'm just

37:49

gonna trot in then and bowl in and

37:51

bowl in and bowl your

37:53

powers for good. Stumps! Or

37:55

any variation of it's stumped.

37:58

Okay, stumps. Uh, what's

38:00

this? What's this? This was

38:02

from... Oh, okay, this is quite

38:05

good actually. This was a

38:07

message I'd sent to

38:09

Sharky in October. And what

38:12

was happening in October?

38:14

Was that New Zealand

38:16

snow? Pakistan test?

38:18

That's right. I said, Sharky.

38:20

Might now be a good time

38:22

to have had your very experienced

38:26

bowling coach out there. At

38:28

259 for one at Stumps.

38:30

What was that about? They

38:32

had a bad day in the field,

38:34

didn't they? I quite like

38:37

to have Jimmy bowling out

38:39

there. They'll go at Stumps,

38:41

which is being bitchy to

38:44

Sharky. Okay, next. Carry on,

38:46

another round. Should I message

38:48

what? Should I study what?

38:51

Sharky replied. Yes, please. Yeah.

38:53

He said, couldn't agree more.

38:55

They looked toothless. This is

38:57

why we need we should have

39:00

had a calendar's like end of

39:02

day's play. Yeah, definitely. Get

39:04

TMS, get Sharky on there

39:07

with you, just toothless comment.

39:09

Yeah, I've just put written,

39:12

go toothless, and about times

39:14

I've got toothless in my

39:17

phone. Tootless, toothless, toothless, toothless,

39:19

toothless, toothless, toothless, toothless, toothless.

39:22

We are toothless. Sharky, we've

39:24

got one more round. Toothless

39:27

man on bike. Yeah, you've

39:29

written that in, um, you

39:31

wrote that on 29, would

39:34

you lie, 2021? Two first

39:36

man on bike. And Sharky

39:38

said genius for a stop.

39:41

What's happened there? And then

39:43

Matt, she's written, I wish

39:45

we could post this. Oh!

39:47

What's that from? I don't know

39:49

what that is. Greg, take the

39:52

ball, who'd you want to bowl

39:54

against? Dierson or... Felix White. I

39:56

won't be offended if you want to

39:58

bowl at Jimmy again. I want

40:00

a bowl at Felix and I

40:03

want you to search for the

40:05

word Burnley. Oh, I've got a

40:07

great one. Mate, for Burnley Express,

40:09

which cricker is that? I'm at

40:12

a pub quiz. It's like, oh,

40:14

I know who that is. You

40:16

should shame the person who was

40:19

messaging you in a pub quiz.

40:21

That's actually Ivan who does the

40:23

phone and fix with me. He's

40:26

obviously got a cricket question. That's

40:28

great. That's really great. That's really

40:30

great. I like the game a

40:32

lot match again. Phoenix, you want

40:35

to take the ball? I'd love

40:37

to take the ball. I'm going

40:39

to put my wrist being ring

40:42

because I notice something like the

40:44

pit just doing bits. Bit a

40:46

rough outside the leg stump so

40:48

if you can come over the

40:51

wicket the left arm and that

40:53

would be great just expose that

40:55

rough runs into this rough, runs

40:58

into this rough, pitches it's going

41:00

to give you a word. I've

41:02

got lots of names of people

41:05

but I don't think that's very...

41:07

You can do a name? All

41:09

right. You could do... If you

41:11

said Livingstone it'd be too many

41:14

wouldn't they just be... Oh I

41:16

okay Jedwood. Jedwood. Jedwood! Because he's

41:18

got a Jedwood! Because he said

41:21

Jedwood. Okay. Jedwood that it spits

41:23

out of the raft. Jedwood. Let

41:25

me find a message from me.

41:27

Can we take the stuff out

41:30

about Kevin Peterson? Absolutely not. Can

41:32

we take the stuff out about

41:34

taking the stuff out about Kevin

41:37

Peterson? No, it could be nice.

41:39

It could be nice. It could

41:41

be nice. It could be too

41:44

nice. It could be too nice.

41:46

I don't want to go beat

41:48

him. The last time I messaged

41:50

someone about Jedwood was when... I

41:53

bumped into Jedwood when I was

41:55

walking my dog and it was

41:57

the most terrifying experience. of my

42:00

life. They appeared, they appeared like,

42:02

I don't know, it was like a

42:04

horror movie, they just danced out of

42:06

the woods at me, and I messaged

42:09

the breakfast team group saying,

42:11

I thought I was having a f-break

42:13

down because Jed would have run after

42:15

me shouting my name. How did that

42:18

happen? They were just walking around, I

42:20

don't know, but they were dressed as

42:22

Jed, we were in full sort of.

42:24

Like a couple of shining type thing,

42:27

like, yeah, yeah, yeah, nice. I feel

42:29

like a waste my delivery there. I

42:31

should have said something like a

42:33

hundred or something, but anyway.

42:36

There's Felix on this on

42:38

all, Sharky. Oh Sharky. Sugar

42:40

Sharky. Have a bowl, mate.

42:42

Have a bowl. Sharky. What bowl?

42:44

No, I'm going to bowl at your

42:46

bowl at your bowl at me

42:48

there. And I'm going to bowl

42:50

out and lamb at you. Oh,

42:53

nice. What I was thinking is

42:55

people could write in and offer

42:57

their house apps. if they want

42:59

us to search anything in our

43:02

phones for another round of hours

43:04

app and at later dates maybe

43:06

in the 400 minipods that we're

43:08

contractually obliged to do. Great idea.

43:10

So I found a message between

43:13

me and Greg and we're

43:15

obviously discussing old

43:17

cricketers who have sadly passed

43:19

away and I've put Arby

43:22

and pieces with Hannah Lamb

43:24

goes. Thank you,

43:26

Magician, love the game, bring that

43:28

game back for the mini-pods. We're

43:31

also going to do a full

43:33

episode next week after the amazing

43:35

conclusion to one of the greatest

43:37

cricketing tournaments I've ever seen in

43:40

my live, the champions trophy. Some

43:42

quick go wells fee, if you

43:44

need to go, please go, but

43:46

new tailenders. Hey! You and being

43:48

baby team, being ones. Sue who became

43:50

the first female president of Ellesmere Cricket

43:53

Club, big up Sue, go well. We

43:55

also have a birthday for cheese, Alby,

43:57

Pascal, Tim, who's 50, Stephen, who's 50,

43:59

not... as well. Jude, who for World

44:01

Book Day, went as a fully padded

44:03

up Jimmy, because you've got a book,

44:06

so you're technically a book character as

44:08

well. That's amazing, Jude. Amazing. Go

44:10

well. Engagement. Human engagements, human

44:12

being ones. Will and Courtney.

44:14

No, but that's all, hopefully, normal,

44:16

no. But that's all possibly, Nor,

44:18

it doesn't really matter either way.

44:20

Will and Courtney, in Catherine and

44:22

Jacob. Go well, to all the girls

44:25

taking part in the London Youth

44:27

Games under 13 Qualifiers. Also, cricket

44:29

Club Shouts. You being cricket clubs,

44:31

you know, I'm being cricket

44:33

clubs, sorry, that's how I say

44:35

it. Oh, my old club for

44:37

a bit. Bromley under 13s. Knoll

44:39

Hill cricket club, new members are

44:42

welcome, and new members are Malcolm.

44:44

Kekela under 11s as well.

44:46

Go well. Go well. Cheers. Cheers.

44:48

Cheers. Phil, Ben, Luke, and David

44:51

are running from B-dow cricket club

44:53

to Sedge Phil cricket club for

44:55

charity for charity, for a laugh.

44:57

to John and to Cameron as

45:00

well who got a buy one

45:02

get one free deal. Snipwell! That's

45:04

not true. I made that, I made

45:06

that bit up. Go well! Cheers! Thanks

45:09

for listening everybody. We'll be

45:11

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45:13

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45:16

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45:18

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45:20

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45:23

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45:25

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45:48

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45:51

was going to climb out the back

45:53

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45:55

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45:57

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45:59

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46:01

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46:03

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46:06

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