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good. Welcome, guys, to Talk Scared

2:00

Me, the show where nothing is off

2:02

limits and everything is up for discussion.

2:04

We are your hosts. Danielle

2:06

Harris. And Scout Dealer Compton, and

2:08

we talk about it all.

2:10

Love, sex, trauma, relationships, healing, and

2:12

horror, and the messy and

2:15

beautiful chaos in between. Some days,

2:17

Danielle, we are deep and

2:19

emotional. That's for sure. Other days,

2:21

we are absolutely unhinged, and

2:23

that's the magic. So whether you're

2:25

here for therapy, the

2:27

dirty jokes, the ghost stories, or just

2:29

to feel a little less alone,

2:31

you are in the right place. This

2:33

is Talk Scary to Me. and

2:35

it is about to get real. Hi,

2:39

how are you? I'm

2:42

good, just, you know. Being

2:44

an old lady buying, I was

2:46

just looking up SPF shirts. because

2:49

I'm about to plant and I

2:51

need shirts that are SPF because I

2:53

have age spots and I need to

2:55

be in the garden and yeah, that's

2:57

my life right now. long sleeve shirts

3:00

that you're buying? They are long sleeve

3:02

shirts, but they are literally SPF. I

3:04

don't know what is in them that

3:06

makes them SPF, but yes. And now

3:08

I was like, well, do I do

3:10

long sleeve and a hood? but

3:12

it's 110 degrees here in the

3:14

summer. How do I this? You're

3:17

gonna look like an intruder with

3:19

this fucking hoodie over and a

3:21

weapon. Those Korean ladies

3:23

have it right, you know? They don't

3:25

fucking go in the sun and all

3:28

covered and they look fucking unbelievable.

3:30

Oh yeah, I got the hats, girl.

3:32

I am that lady now. I

3:34

don't drive wearing gloves yet, but that

3:36

is probably on. You're talking like

3:38

that lady too. You're really down here.

3:40

It's nice. I am? Yeah, know

3:42

it's nice. Well, you're doing that. I'm

3:44

over here getting tattoos, so. Just

3:47

get another tattoo. Yeah, shows you where

3:49

we are in life. Are you kidding? What?

3:52

Are you going to remove this one? No, no.

3:55

Daniel, I was removing those

3:57

because they were other

3:59

people's names that were not my husbands. Did

4:02

you get your husband's name tattooed

4:04

on you? No, I'm saying the past

4:06

names and matching tattoos. I

4:08

should probably get those removed before I get

4:10

married to Tom. So what did

4:12

you get? I really like

4:14

lyrics, like my whole back, on my back

4:16

is like a bunch of lyrics that I

4:18

like, including Fox and the Hound lyrics. But

4:21

I've been wanting to get, for

4:23

every kiss you give me, I'll give you

4:25

three. I've been wanting to

4:27

get that for a while and I was just going

4:29

to add it to my back. But

4:32

I was like, no, I want to

4:34

see this one on my arm. So I got

4:36

it on my arm. But

4:39

I did. I got the kiss and the

4:41

three in red. So

4:44

yeah. But

4:46

you know, I'm excited. I want

4:48

to get more. So that's unfortunately, I

4:50

just like broke the tattoo. There

4:53

you go. That's it now. Yeah, I know. I

4:55

know. I'm going to try not to. It's

4:57

on now, baby. Guys, do you

4:59

hear that? Do you hear that? Do

5:01

you hear those little mice in

5:03

the background? Is that a little squeaky?

5:05

I hear those squeakies. I do,

5:07

too. Yeah. This week on Talk Scary

5:10

To Me, we've got something extra

5:12

spooky and seriously fun coming your way.

5:14

We're diving behind the scenes of

5:16

one of the wildest horror fucking movies

5:18

of the year, a twisted blood -soaked

5:20

ride that's part nostalgia, part nightmare,

5:22

and kind of Disney chaoticness and joining

5:24

us, a killer creative duo and

5:26

Danielle, we know something about a

5:28

duo. These two are

5:30

nothing short of making horror

5:32

magic and both behind the

5:35

camera and one that is

5:37

slaying in front of it,

5:39

please welcome the brilliant minds

5:41

behind Screamboat, Steven LaMorte and

5:43

Amy Schumacher. Hi. Hello.

5:47

Welcome. Hi. What an intro. Hope you

5:49

look up to that. seriously. Yeah,

5:51

guys. I don't know

5:53

who invited me to the premiere, but

5:55

I was so stoked to get invited.

5:57

And once I watched the movie, you guys

5:59

were obviously being bombarded by people that

6:02

day, but I wanted to

6:04

pick your brains and tell you,

6:06

I mean, I'm a massive

6:08

Disney adult. And I

6:10

mean, I have the little mermaid

6:12

on my wrist, Fox and the

6:14

Hound lyrics on my back and

6:16

a Dingle Hopper. So like all

6:18

of this jokes and all of

6:20

that stuff were landing so hard

6:22

and they were so great. I

6:24

was squealing like a little girl

6:26

and obviously the horror flair

6:28

being the horror nut that I am. I was

6:30

like, this is this is like my dream. I didn't even

6:32

know this was my dream, but this is my dream. Oh,

6:35

fantastic. Thank you.

6:37

We're, you know, we're, we

6:40

really wanted to do equal

6:42

parts of horror and Disney

6:44

and just make it for

6:46

the kind of people like

6:48

us who are, you know,

6:50

a little unhinged and are,

6:52

you know, Disney fans at

6:54

heart, but want something maybe more

6:57

modern, more scary, more geared towards what we're

6:59

into now. So this is like a fun way

7:01

to get a little bit of nostalgia and

7:03

a little bit of thrills and a whole lot

7:05

of blood. I mean, you guys

7:07

are not new to like taking

7:09

something nostalgic from your childhood and twisting

7:12

it. I mean, you guys did

7:14

the mean one. Is this something

7:16

who came up with this idea? Was this

7:18

just like a thing that you guys

7:20

came up together, but like. Why why

7:22

why did you kind of want to

7:24

go and and take what children loved

7:26

as a kid and like twist it

7:28

around? You

7:31

know coming off of the mean one we

7:33

talked a lot about maybe doing a sequel

7:35

to the mean one, but I Didn't really

7:37

necessarily want to do that I don't know

7:39

that we wanted to get this deep in

7:41

the IP world really but Steven had been

7:43

talking about wanting to make a movie on

7:45

the Staten Island fairy like a horror movie

7:47

on the Staten Island fairy And

7:50

then we heard Simba Willie was going to

7:52

come into the public domain. We didn't think it was

7:55

really going to happen. We thought for

7:57

sure Disney was going to do something.

7:59

Once it was announced that in 2024, it was

8:01

going to be public domain, we

8:04

thought, oh, well, for sure, sometime

8:06

in that year, they're going to make

8:08

something to restart the countdown clock

8:10

again. And then it got closer and

8:12

closer, and they didn't. And we were

8:14

in development. Oh,

8:16

sort of how we got here. Yeah, I

8:18

mean, we really, you know, we knew

8:20

we weren't supposed to work on the movie

8:23

until January 1st when it came into

8:25

the public domain. So of course we didn't

8:27

do any work on the. film at

8:29

all. But then, January 1st, the clock struck

8:31

midnight. It became clear that the mouse

8:33

was going into the public domain. The clouds

8:35

parted, and then a fully formed script

8:38

fell right down into our laps.

8:40

Magic. It was really

8:42

Disney. At that point, it was

8:44

public domain Disney magic. But yeah, I mean, it's

8:46

just the kind of deal where we, because

8:48

we love this stuff so much and we love

8:50

these characters so much, being able to finally

8:52

have them be free and not dance around the

8:54

point, we can whistle around it. But be

8:56

able to really say like, hey, these are the

8:58

characters that they are and take them out

9:00

and sort of have fun with them. I mean,

9:02

the first time I saw David Howard Thornton

9:05

in the suit, he's scary. He's

9:07

mean. He's got claws and teeth and the big

9:09

hat and his giant ears. And all you want

9:11

to do is like hug him. He's so fluffy.

9:13

It was like I was seven years old again,

9:15

like watching the cartoons and seeing the shows and

9:17

being at the theme park. And then we're like,

9:19

OK, let's let's cover him in blood, but let's

9:21

still have some fun with it. And then that's,

9:23

you know, like the. Process

9:25

of doing the script and making the movie made

9:27

us have to think about all of those

9:29

movies too. Yeah all of the movies from our

9:32

childhood like my one of my favorites is

9:34

Little Mermaid, but there are all of these deep

9:36

cuts to you have a lot of them.

9:38

That's your favorite too. Yes. Yes

9:40

So like It made us

9:42

have to think about it and

9:44

think, oh, me and my

9:47

sister had that on VHS. We

9:49

watched it so many times,

9:51

I knew all the words. All

9:53

these different movies have all of

9:55

these adults come together and know the

9:58

nostalgia, know where the quotes came from

10:00

was so much fun. Was

10:02

it an easy script? Was it like an easy

10:04

write for you guys? Did you guys write it

10:06

together? No, I

10:08

didn't he wrote it was well with yeah, we developed

10:10

this story together for sure So I started

10:12

with you know with the beats of like

10:14

which things I wanted to do and and

10:16

what the kills might be and which characters

10:18

they were because I mean initially this before

10:20

we had steamboat really this was just like

10:22

a love letter to New York This was

10:24

gonna be my Staten Island ferry New York

10:26

City I was in New

10:28

York City on 9 -11, so what do I think

10:31

it is to be a New Yorker kind of film?

10:33

And I never had a killer that I liked,

10:35

or I never had a slasher a villain that I

10:37

liked. So this thing kind of sat on the

10:39

shelf in that way for at least five, six, seven

10:41

years. I mean, I was riding the ferry

10:43

back and forth in college thinking, man, you

10:45

take the Staten Island ferry at two o

10:47

'clock in the morning, you're gonna see some

10:49

stuff. And I, of course, would be at

10:51

the late night library, and then I would

10:53

take the ferry back. at two o 'clock in

10:55

the morning, and I would see some stuff,

10:57

and I always thought, man, this is a

10:59

great place for a horror flick. So, I

11:01

mean, the idea sort of started there, but

11:03

then once we started writing, it just became

11:05

like, how many references can we get in

11:07

per page? How many jokes can we do?

11:09

I think something that is maybe lost on

11:11

some of these adaptations is they're not always

11:13

funny, and it has to be funny.

11:15

I mean, they're, if you're not gonna... It's

11:17

ridiculous. He's a cartoon character. Like, if

11:19

you're not gonna make it funny or have

11:21

the other people react the way you would

11:23

if you saw a little mouse running around murdering

11:26

people, I mean... You just kind of have

11:28

to have fun with it. So I mean, it

11:30

wasn't a tough script to develop. It was

11:32

really hard to develop just the rules and the

11:34

logic. And how do we keep it fun?

11:36

Because in theory, if you just watch someone die

11:38

or all of these people, once the body

11:40

count starts piling up and our film has a

11:42

pretty high body count, it can be tough to

11:44

like, should we mourn these people? Or like, how do

11:46

we keep the film moving and still keep it

11:48

fun without? Taking it to

11:51

negative you both know like horror comedy is

11:53

hard to play because you're like I

11:55

just saw someone die but I don't want

11:57

to be the downer or like make

11:59

the movie come to a screeching halt

12:01

like how do we keep this light

12:03

and breezy but also it's Horror

12:05

so it's right tricky genre. I

12:07

think getting the tone like

12:10

balancing the tone throughout was You

12:12

guys did really really well with it

12:14

you really did and Amy your performance

12:16

was awesome was so great. It was one

12:18

of my favorites. You and the

12:20

young girl that played the

12:22

Cinderella character. Oh,

12:24

yeah. Kaley's terrified too. I want

12:26

to know your story. How did

12:29

you guys meet each other? We

12:32

met. That's a great story. We

12:34

met on set. Well,

12:37

yeah, I guess we met on set. I

12:39

was producing. I had written and

12:41

was producing this like. sci

12:43

-fi sword fighting movie for myself

12:45

to play. Sounds like Scouts

12:48

Dream job. going to say, well,

12:50

Amy, I think we need to write

12:52

something in there. Please, let's do

12:54

it. It was awesome. Yes, Trials of

12:56

Ember. And I was this sword

12:58

fighting woman. And my writing partner

13:00

had just worked on your feature,

13:02

Burry Me Twice, and said, oh, I

13:04

know a director who can do

13:06

action and stuff like that. We

13:09

did that movie and

13:11

I think we're both like

13:13

going through breakups while

13:15

the shooting right while we're shooting

13:17

but then it got into a bunch of festivals

13:19

and stuff so we kept touring it around at

13:21

all of these festivals and hanging

13:24

out more and more like dwindling

13:26

down like the groups that were coming once you've

13:28

shown the movie and everyone has seen it then

13:30

like we're showing it in another festival so then

13:32

instead of the whole crew and cast it's some

13:34

of the cast and the group got smaller and

13:36

smaller and we're thinking like oh man it's so

13:38

fun showing the movie and we had so much

13:40

fun working together and then like. we started to

13:42

realize, is it the movie that we like coming

13:44

together? Or is it each other? Yeah, so

13:46

we end up sitting next to each other,

13:49

and her sword fighting comes on, and I'm

13:51

like, oh, you're so badass in that. And

13:53

one thing led to

13:55

another. And now we're

13:57

directing, producing, and

13:59

acting partner, which is

14:01

great, because I really

14:03

feel like my whole career coming

14:05

up, I've had so many of these

14:07

like, Good old boy types

14:09

who are like I don't get married

14:11

Steve you know once you're once you you

14:14

know get in a relationship and it

14:16

becomes harder and the job's already hard enough

14:18

and all this sort of BS and

14:20

We have like the best setup I think

14:22

because all of our hardest days that

14:24

we typically spend on set or spent together.

14:26

So on the car ride home, we

14:28

can talk shit about the same people and,

14:31

you know, we're able to vent a

14:33

little bit and we're like, okay, great, let's

14:35

come back and get in it tomorrow.

14:37

Because I mean, you guys know when you're

14:39

on set and you're making a movie, I

14:41

mean, sometimes it really can feel like war.

14:43

And, you know, when you go to war,

14:45

you want to go to war with your

14:47

friends. And I get to go to war

14:49

with my best friend. And it's so much

14:51

fun to collaborate together. I think before we

14:53

got married, I used to think that the

14:55

director was the boss. and the producer had

14:57

to work for the director. And

14:59

since we've gotten married, my opinion on

15:01

that front has evolved. Good

15:04

jobs. Good jobs.

15:06

And she owns way more swords than

15:08

me. So, you know, our arguments

15:10

tend to end very quickly and painlessly.

15:15

I love that. I love that.

15:17

What are some, I mean,

15:19

let's get real. What are some

15:21

of the cons about working

15:23

together? Is there any, is it

15:25

just that? You

15:27

know, - Guess what are the cons, Amy? I'll

15:29

tell you. I know, just kidding. It was

15:32

like, I think my lips think

15:34

my balance is really hard and we're

15:36

working on that. But we

15:38

love to take neighborhood walks, for example.

15:40

And it takes a lot of effort

15:42

to not talk about how we're going

15:44

to do the promotion, what's going on.

15:46

We're not talking about work. We're not

15:48

talking about the next thing. And it's

15:50

really hard to do, to

15:52

not bring all of it

15:54

home. So there's a lot of benefit. Thankfully,

15:57

he's a director. He doesn't want to

15:59

be an actor. I don't want to

16:01

direct. When we're on set and

16:03

we're both wearing multiple hats, they're never

16:05

the same hat. or

16:07

our focuses or our way of approaching things

16:09

are so different that we can then come back

16:11

together of like oh I was over in

16:14

that part of the set all day and you

16:16

were on this so like let's catch up. I

16:19

think that helps but

16:21

turning it off is hard. Yeah

16:23

my husband has been my stunt coordinator

16:25

for a lot of the movies that I've

16:27

been doing and you're right half of

16:29

the most of the day I don't even

16:31

see him. I'm like, I don't know

16:33

what fires you're putting out, but I just

16:35

need to hear about it at the

16:37

end of the day and let me know

16:39

where they resolved or do we need

16:41

to find another solution. But it's, but

16:43

he's also wearing like multiple hats. Like I'll

16:45

see him like, you know, helping special effects

16:47

or I'll see him like building something like,

16:49

what are you, he's like, I'm just, I

16:51

just want it to be good. You know,

16:53

it's really great when, you know, you

16:55

have somebody, a partner that supports you

16:57

and wants your, your product to achieve.

16:59

So it's really nice that you guys

17:02

have that. I do want to

17:04

get into, so

17:06

I DMed and texted

17:08

David right after the

17:10

movie and I praised

17:12

his work. I praised his

17:15

work and I said, dude, I've seen

17:17

you in a lot and I love

17:19

you and I adore you, but I

17:21

think this is your best performance I've

17:23

ever fucking seen you in. Like

17:25

this is so good. I

17:28

was cracking up. I was

17:30

scared. I was cracking up. I

17:32

was just like, I wanted to see him

17:34

like on screen more. I was like, where is

17:36

he? Like, where is he? He was like

17:38

so good and so captivating. What

17:40

was, I mean, when you

17:43

first reveal him, and I don't want to

17:45

give too much away, especially for people that

17:47

haven't seen it, but what was the process

17:49

of like designing how he was going to

17:51

look in the movie? Well,

17:54

I mean it started with the cartoon

17:56

for sure and and you going

17:58

to that as a reference and you

18:00

know something we Knew early on

18:02

was that we wanted it to be David

18:04

I mean we both agreed before the script was written

18:06

We knew it was David We knew it was gonna

18:08

be David because we knew that the character if

18:10

we're gonna do you know Bring our murder muppet

18:12

to life that he was gonna have to be

18:14

someone who can give that big performance We're not

18:16

doing a Michael Myers knock

18:18

off who lumbers in a mask he needs

18:20

to be expressive and performative and be comfortable

18:22

sitting in the makeup and so we knew

18:24

we wanted someone that could do that performance

18:27

and who had a love for this character

18:29

and was willing to put in the work

18:31

because Disney fans are hardcore and it's you

18:33

know it's not I won't call it a

18:35

cult but it's a little culty sometimes. And

18:38

when we go to these screenings and people are

18:40

coming up and they're like, I spotted that one little

18:42

Easter egg. I'm like, that's amazing. That's a really

18:44

deep cut, something I put in just for me. So

18:47

it was important that we had someone that cared about the

18:49

source material and could perform. So the design of the creature,

18:51

once he agreed to be a part of the movie,

18:53

just based on my pitch of here's what the here's what

18:55

the tone's gonna be, here's the story, here's sort of

18:57

what we're doing. And he came into it

18:59

saying, I wanna do the voice, I wanna do

19:01

the whistling, I wanna bring some life to the

19:03

character. went back

19:05

to the, not back to the drawing board, but

19:07

we went to the quantum creation effects who

19:09

were designing the suit and designing the puppet. And

19:11

we said, hey, we need to make

19:14

sure that the performer can shine through.

19:16

He can't have a static face. He can't

19:18

be buried under prosthetics to the point

19:20

where he can't raise his eyebrows or make

19:22

a whistling face or move his nose.

19:24

So a lot of the design of the

19:26

character and David's ability to pour his

19:29

heart and soul into it came from the

19:31

back and forth of, well, if it's

19:33

gonna be David, it needs to be designed

19:35

like this. Well, since it's designed like

19:37

this, David can do that. I mean, there's

19:39

no little servos or wires or cables

19:41

that make his nose move. It's just something he

19:43

figured out in his own and he can wiggle his little willy

19:45

nose and we're like, how did you do that?

19:48

He goes, I was just looking in the mirror and

19:50

I'm playing around with my breathing and look what

19:52

I can do. And then he makes his little nose

19:54

move and it's like the coolest thing. Something

19:57

we didn't I think was interesting that we didn't

19:59

like predict as much in the

20:01

design phase was getting the proportions,

20:03

right? Because we looked at some

20:05

references of like how big was steamboat

20:08

Willie the character in relation to like

20:10

a six -foot human Yeah, so David

20:12

six two or something and so to

20:14

make him that size like how do

20:16

we make the proportions of like where

20:18

does his waist need to be if

20:20

his head is this big then does

20:22

he look weird like it was a

20:24

thing I don't think we predicted was

20:26

gonna have Just how much math would

20:28

be involved. How many prototypes did

20:31

you go through? How many

20:33

revisions did you do once the

20:35

original one was set? They

20:37

were building him in clay on

20:39

the, like, the lifecast

20:41

of David that they did. His, like,

20:43

terrifying life cast is Art the

20:45

Clown life cast. They got that, and

20:47

they were building clay versions. of

20:50

at least just the head part, right? Yeah.

20:52

And then we also did, I

20:54

mean, there was no less than 10

20:56

different iterations of... Willie himself. So

20:58

whether it's the fully formed monstrous

21:00

version or maybe a cute version

21:02

that may or may not play

21:05

into his backstory. I mean,

21:07

all of those different versions. Some

21:09

of them 10 you said 10 10

21:11

different. Yeah, there's 10 different versions. Someday you'll get

21:13

you might get to see them all. But there are

21:15

like cute versions with evil faces. There's evil

21:17

versions. Where are they now? Are they

21:19

just at your house like on your

21:21

on your fireplace? Some

21:23

of them we have in

21:25

the design form and then some of them we

21:27

have like the pieces like there's one set of

21:30

willy feet that they made for me that like

21:32

consolas dice like that you would hang as an

21:34

ornament from your car so yeah we have lots

21:36

of little pieces but because we don't know the

21:38

future of the franchise we don't want to like

21:40

oh well here's something that got rejected because it

21:42

might find its way back nothing at all. like

21:52

foam like multiple foam stand -in

21:54

versions that we had on set

21:56

too sometimes so that we had

21:58

an eye line like of what we're

22:01

playing to scale references and

22:03

then there's like hand

22:05

puppet versions and there's a

22:07

biting version there's a walking version there's

22:09

a head turning version and there's

22:11

of course David's outfit that is different

22:13

levels of damage and then

22:15

there's a a secret version that I

22:17

don't, we have pictures of it for

22:19

sure, but it's, they did a very

22:21

basic version that has no fur, no

22:24

nothing, that's just like a placeholder that they

22:26

sent. It's weird and naked. It's

22:28

like one of those. Naked mole rat,

22:30

yeah, naked mole rat, Willie. And

22:32

I said, guys, we need to give him some

22:34

color. so that when we're lighting and stuff, we

22:37

can at least see the reference before the fur

22:39

version arrived. And so they painted this thing

22:41

and they thought it would be so funny. They painted

22:43

him to look like Art the Clown. So

22:45

we have the naked mole rat, Steamboat Willie

22:47

that's furless, but with the face of Art the

22:49

Clown. And I was like, guys, I can't

22:51

use any of this BTS footage, but it's awesome.

22:53

So let's keep it. And so I would

22:55

take this thing and I would hide it around

22:57

the set. So I would like, you'd see the

22:59

door open a creek and there'd just be this

23:01

like Steamboat Willie, Art the Clown. It

23:04

was uh, and you never knew where it was

23:06

gonna be because I would get to set early and

23:08

like I would just hide in places here There's

23:10

a fun. Yeah, a fun shoot nobody sits in my

23:12

chair, but me And my wife if she's

23:15

there. Oh, I'd love it. So what

23:17

was the what was the filming

23:19

process? Like how long was the shoot?

23:21

What was the difficult part? I

23:23

also am very curious because I was

23:25

trying to figure it out Because obviously

23:27

I mean David, you know, they're reacting

23:29

to something tiny. So it was a

23:31

lot of David's stuff done green

23:33

screen or how is

23:36

that all executed? Well,

23:38

we use pretty much every magic trick in

23:40

the book to bring Steamboat Willie to

23:42

life. So I mean, there's some elements where

23:44

it's just the puppet, some elements where

23:46

the puppet is in the close ups, the

23:49

backside of the puppet is in the close

23:51

ups or the puppets walking through the scene.

23:53

And then when we cut to his face, maybe

23:55

it's David, some of its green screen, some

23:57

of its LED wall, like in the Mandalorian,

23:59

some of its forced perspective where we have

24:01

the David. 50 feet back and

24:03

a character in the foreground and using

24:05

giant props. So we use a

24:07

little bit of everything. It really just

24:09

depends from scene to scene, which

24:12

gag we're doing and what looks the

24:14

best. And one of the things

24:16

our editor, Patrick Lawrence, was so good

24:18

about was he was of the

24:20

opinion that we had to establish the

24:22

language of our movie. So

24:24

at what point are you seeing the puppet?

24:27

At what point are you seeing David? If

24:29

we have a David reaction shot, should we

24:31

see it? Or is it scarier to not

24:33

see where the mouse is? Is it scarier

24:35

to just see him handing something and not

24:37

see David's face? Because there are some moments

24:39

where just because you can watch him do

24:41

every element of a kill doesn't mean you

24:43

want to see that. It's actually more believable

24:45

to see less. So there are

24:47

all different versions of these

24:49

kills and these scenes where we're...

24:51

Trying to design where the

24:53

audience is looking and

24:55

how we're going to convey

24:58

that it is realistic

25:00

that something this small can

25:02

murder My brain every time we're

25:04

walking the neighborhood and he's talking about making

25:06

it So the LED wall is super

25:08

cool because we use the plates from filming

25:10

in New York and we blew them

25:12

up three times size Yeah, and David standing

25:14

in front of it. It looks huge.

25:17

It looks. Yeah. Yeah, right. So when you're

25:19

looking at it, it doesn't make sense

25:21

then you go and you look at the,

25:23

you know, in Video Village at the

25:25

screen, then it all works and it's like

25:27

your mind is blown. But I think

25:29

one thing that was really interesting was trying to figure out

25:31

the balance between, we all know

25:33

a puppet in some scenes. Do we love

25:36

that? Do we want to know it's a puppet?

25:38

Is it charming? I think it's awesome. I

25:40

like think it's fucking funny. funny,

25:42

right? It's funny, right.

25:44

It's funny. I love when that's a

25:46

puppet. I love it when, oh god,

25:48

I don't want to give anything away.

25:51

My favorite part, one of my

25:53

favorite parts is with like the

25:55

puppet. And I love like seeing

25:57

someone holding and handling the puppet.

25:59

Right, right, yeah. And there's something.

26:01

like, this is great. I wonder what

26:03

your, what were your shot lists like? Like

26:05

how long was your pre -production for that stuff?

26:07

And did some things play or not play

26:09

on the monitor that you thought you were

26:11

going to, you know, end up doing? How

26:13

did, how did all, because that's like, That

26:16

is so much math for me. I don't

26:18

think that I could ever, ever, I couldn't

26:20

even be in something like that without, yeah,

26:22

I don't think I could do it. Well,

26:24

you have to have faith is really what

26:27

it is. And that's like I attribute to.

26:29

Right I know I attribute that to

26:31

to the cast because I know that it's

26:33

requires so much belief when you're Filming something

26:35

and we're looking at the puppet and like

26:37

his face isn't moving and you're like yes

26:40

But at that point we'll see David or

26:42

like oh, you know Well, we're gonna shoot

26:44

these other shots in the soundstage or you

26:46

know, so I would build a pretty thorough

26:48

shot list And we storyboarded

26:50

all of the creature sequences so that I could

26:52

show people, like, OK, here's the blocking, or

26:54

here's the piece we're going to shoot. But then

26:56

this other, we're just missing the David part,

26:58

you know. Oh, there you

27:00

are. You're back. You're back. Don't

27:02

worry. May can chop it

27:05

up. Classic May. I would

27:07

start with a very thorough shot

27:09

list and we would storyboard all of

27:11

the creature sequences so that even

27:13

if we weren't shooting those elements that

27:15

day, I could show the actors,

27:17

hey, here are the pieces that we're

27:19

missing or here's what the mask

27:21

will do. And then we would

27:23

cut those storyboards into the scenes as we're

27:25

shooting them to make sure that we had all

27:27

the stuff, except the stuff that we hadn't

27:29

shot yet. And then when we got to

27:31

the set, we had the editor and his assistant

27:34

on set. And as we're shooting, they're just dropping the

27:36

shots in and making

27:38

sure that like the eye lines work and all of

27:40

that stuff. And then because we have the puppet. If

27:42

I need to do a pickup, once we had the whole

27:44

thing cut, we would just break the puppet out and be

27:46

like, you know, I really need a shot of a foot

27:49

stepping on a back or I really need this other shot.

27:51

And we'd go back to the LED wall and we

27:53

would pick up the, you know, the final little pieces. But,

27:55

you know, none of that was easy because even in

27:57

the little bits of like, OK, we need the foot

27:59

stepping on the back. Well, the back has to be three

28:02

times the size so it can't just be a person.

28:04

or his prop has to be, you know,

28:06

like none of it was easy. Okay

28:09

guys, the way that

28:11

you're describing this makes me, like you

28:13

had to have had like a couple

28:15

months of filming. Please tell me

28:17

it wasn't like a 12 day shoot. We

28:20

shot, we were on. still, in some ways

28:22

still shooting. We're very tired. We

28:26

shot on the ferry

28:28

for. 24, 25

28:30

days. Oh, amazing. We

28:33

a week of prep on the boat,

28:35

which was crazy. And the ferry itself

28:37

did so much work because you

28:39

can't, I mean, there's no soundstage that's

28:41

gonna look as good as that

28:43

big old ferry. And the engine room

28:45

was massive and pretty shootable because

28:48

it was so big and like, the

28:50

boat was so big that there was a

28:53

lot of options. It obviously had its

28:55

limitations, but just being on something like that,

28:57

was it did a lot of the

28:59

work itself. Yeah, then we came back to

29:01

LA and we did. We

29:03

cut the movie together and then we went

29:05

and we did about a week or so

29:07

of shots with David doing his creature bit.

29:09

I mean, there was fittings before and he

29:11

came to the boat and did some rehearsals

29:13

with us so we could go through what

29:15

we thought he would do. Obviously, the scale

29:18

was wrong because he's gigantic. But

29:20

then we brought him back to the soundstage

29:22

in the LED wall and we created a

29:24

lot of these scenes and brought in the cast

29:26

to do force perspective and green screen and

29:28

all that cool stuff. And then we did some

29:30

time at a water tank that we built in

29:32

about backyard and then we did, what else did

29:35

we do? No one would let us do, no

29:37

one would let us do all the crazy stuff

29:39

that we want to do. So sometimes we're like,

29:41

we're going to Home Depot, we're going to get

29:43

my most kind friend and we're going to set

29:45

up our own water tank and we're going to

29:47

flood this thing and do this sequence and trust

29:49

me it'll all work. guys did that

29:51

in a water tank in the back, I know what you're talking about

29:53

in a backyard. Yeah. A

29:55

rain tank. My god. It's not

29:58

even a water tank. I mean, it was the biggest pool

30:00

they had at Lowe's. And the producers are like,

30:02

can you return this? And I was like,

30:04

well, it's filled with blood and urine. So

30:06

no, I don't think.

30:09

I don't know what they ended up doing with it. Yeah, it was,

30:11

yeah. Well, they take it back. Home Depot, they take

30:14

it back. They take everything, right? It's

30:16

like Costco. Man, so

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30:20

mean, that's a lot, man. That's a lot. I

30:23

mean, you're the producer, so

30:25

a lot of that is

30:27

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30:31

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I... Set the goal before

32:07

we started shooting in pre -production that

32:09

I wanted to build a team that

32:12

I trusted so much that once I

32:14

was an actor on set, like once

32:16

I had my, you know, EMT uniform

32:18

on that I wasn't a producer anymore,

32:20

of course it didn't fully happen. Yeah.

32:22

Because we're an indie film and there

32:24

were fires everywhere, but we had such

32:27

a good boat was on fire. The

32:29

boat was on fire. There were

32:31

days where I know we were on the water, but

32:33

it felt like we were on fire. Yeah.

32:37

But, you know, we brought some of like

32:39

our most trusted people from LA to

32:41

New York and then we shot with the

32:43

Fuzz on the Lens team and, you

32:45

know, Mike and Steve are our partners that

32:47

we trust a ton and they're

32:49

fantastic. So they all really

32:51

had my back. I

32:54

mean again it's the same kind of thing

32:56

like it's a practice to turn my brain off

32:58

of like not being aware of what time

33:00

it is and knowing what the schedule is supposed

33:02

to be and know that we're at all.

33:04

These are my takes but we're behind and I

33:06

can feel it like. That's a

33:08

practice that I think I'm still definitely working

33:11

on. And I would tell her too,

33:13

I was like, I have to play to her

33:15

producer brain. I'm like, Amy, if you try to

33:17

help them clean up, your makeup's going to melt,

33:19

and then we're going to take longer to reset

33:21

you to go and shoot the scene. So it

33:23

actually would be better if you just go work

33:25

on your line somewhere else and we'll pick up

33:27

the matter. Shit. So, you know, it's,

33:29

you were invested, of course we're invested. And if

33:31

there's some, even one more thing you can do

33:33

to make it just a little bit better, you're

33:35

going to do it. But like, this is your,

33:37

this is your big scene today. Go take your

33:39

space and, you know, we'll, we'll have it.

33:42

We were doing, we were doing Last

33:44

Chance Motel. I, I, I let

33:46

my makeup artist know. I said, you're

33:48

going to probably only have like

33:50

two minutes to do my makeup a

33:52

day. And I will, or you

33:54

might have to do it on set.

33:57

because there was no time that I

33:59

had to sit in the makeup chair and

34:01

get anything done. Oh, yeah. There were times where

34:03

you were like, oh, fuck. I'm, oh, shit. I'm

34:05

in the scene. God damn it. I'll be right

34:07

back. I was like, shit, fuck. I

34:09

was like setting it up. And I was like, oh,

34:11

god, I got to get this face on really fast.

34:13

But that's why I made sure I was like, all

34:15

my looks are going to be the same. We're

34:18

not taking anything. Yeah.

34:20

It was wild. I'm in a ponytail

34:22

and an EMT uniform the whole time. I

34:26

can imagine you being in

34:28

costume and answering producer

34:31

questions and taking phone calls

34:33

and... 100 % is what

34:35

happened. Definitely. And I had

34:37

all my, like, because those pants had so many

34:39

pockets, I had all my, like, producers. Oh,

34:41

my God. I think it's ridiculous. At

34:43

one point, she, one of our

34:45

other leads, Alison Patel, who plays

34:48

Selena, slipped. She came running

34:50

out to the back deck of the

34:52

boat. She slipped and fell really hard and

34:54

slid and was like, she's fine. She

34:56

was this close to going into the water.

34:58

And so everyone... everyone ran and was

35:00

like, I was like, oh, we have to

35:02

go help her. And Amy, who is

35:04

an actor and a producer and knows there's

35:06

like a set medic was hanging back.

35:08

Oh, I'll stand back here. And some

35:11

of the, there were some day players there who see her

35:13

in an EMT outfit. And they're like, go, go help her.

35:15

And Amy's like, oh no, I'm going to sit this one

35:17

out. And they were like, you have

35:19

to go, you have to go help her. She

35:21

was very frustrated with me. I'm like, oh no,

35:23

this is just. This is a costume. You

35:25

see this tabloon. This is just costume. Oh

35:28

man, I wish I could

35:30

talk more about the details in

35:32

this, like my favorite moments,

35:34

but I just don't want to give

35:36

too much away. You guys, I

35:38

mean, there are so many kills in

35:40

this fucking thing. How many

35:42

kills are there? I lost count. Do you have

35:44

a head count? We can't have a

35:46

head count because at one point it

35:49

goes up by a lot. Yeah,

35:51

the epicness happens. Yeah,

35:53

in the middle. I do know that, I

35:55

mean, I can say, pretty much

35:57

once he starts killing it's

35:59

like every other scene pretty much.

36:02

Did you say every six minutes? Yes, someone

36:04

was at the premiere and was like, just so

36:06

you know, your kill ratio is about every

36:08

six minutes. And I was like, were you watching

36:10

the movie with a stopwatch? But there's

36:12

a lot of death in the movie.

36:15

It was suggested to turn it into

36:17

a drinking game, which I think we

36:19

still might. It'll either be like Disney

36:21

reference or Kill Count drinking game, but

36:23

I don't think anyone will survive the

36:25

movie. Once the film gets real

36:27

silly towards the middle in the end,

36:30

you'll just black out. You'll just die. When's

36:32

the last time you guys got

36:34

on the ferry? Oh.

36:37

Never again. Yeah. Are

36:39

you able to look at it the

36:41

same? I know. I think no. Have

36:44

we been on it since we shot? We went

36:46

back, this guy,

36:49

we went back. I mean this guy, that's how you

36:51

know I'm rubbing off on you, this guy. We

36:53

were in New York doing family stuff

36:55

and it happened to be foggy and

36:57

misty out and he was like, we

36:59

could just call, if we called Matt

37:01

with the drone right now, we could probably

37:03

make it happen and we went down

37:05

to ferry with the drone and I'm like,

37:07

I just love it. Enough

37:10

already, but we did go, we shot that

37:12

day on the ferry. long after

37:14

we had shot everything else. Yes, that's

37:16

right, yeah. And it's funny

37:18

too because we, of

37:21

course, I had taken the boat a million

37:23

times, but then when we were doing our,

37:25

like formerly doing our research, I'm like, okay,

37:27

it's very different when you ride it at

37:29

night versus during the day. During the day,

37:31

it's morning, it's commuters, afternoon, it's tourists, and

37:33

then late night, it's... You know, it's

37:35

all, no old bars. It's just crazy.

37:38

So we're like, okay, when in Rome do is the

37:40

Romans. So we got some wine and some beer and

37:42

we rode the boat back and forth between like 10

37:44

o 'clock at night and two o 'clock in the morning.

37:46

And those were some of the most like crazy,

37:49

funny, silly places where we drew inspiration for

37:52

the film. And that was some of the

37:54

most fun research we had ever done because

37:56

the later it got the weirder, the stuff

37:58

that we saw got like at one point.

38:00

What some stories that you guys saw?

38:02

I want to know. I mean,

38:04

we saw a shirtless guy running for the

38:06

boat and then didn't get on it. So I

38:08

don't know why he was running. We saw a giant

38:10

rat. Like I have video footage of a giant

38:12

rat. I said, Amy, look, it's Willie. And she's like,

38:14

we're going to miss the ferry. Get on the boat. And

38:16

then what else should we see? There

38:19

was a man who had

38:21

a brown, you know, was

38:23

sitting outside the ferry and

38:25

he was singing. And then

38:27

a bunch of people came in and they were all started

38:29

harmonizing with him. And then they all got on the

38:31

boat and they were like singing together. It was the most

38:33

New York thing ever. It was all really good. Yeah,

38:35

they were all singing like Motown. And then one of,

38:37

and then a guy that worked on the boat started

38:39

singing with him. And then they all got on the

38:41

boat and separated. And I'm like, one of those dudes

38:44

was homeless. Did they not know each other? Like it

38:46

was crazy. Oh my God.

38:48

Yeah, we saw some nutty stuff. They probably

38:50

thought we were like planning some kind of

38:52

casing the joint or something because we were

38:54

walking around taking pictures and Amy's like. oh,

38:56

yeah, the killer could come from up there.

38:58

Oh, you can hide in that vent. Amy, where

39:00

you think the fire axes are? And like,

39:02

they probably were. How romantical, guys. How

39:04

romantical. I love it. That's us.

39:06

But I mean, that's New York.

39:10

Nobody's even batting an eye at those

39:12

conversations, you know? No. Yeah,

39:14

that's funny. He's dropping as many to get

39:16

one -liners. I did have a

39:18

question about the little tunes

39:20

that you guys had in there,

39:22

obviously. Steamboat Willie

39:25

was up for grabs, but what

39:27

what is the? Because

39:30

it seemed like right like Disney

39:32

would get upset to have those

39:34

like little jingle things in there,

39:36

but I guess you weren't really

39:38

saying the words or all of

39:40

that music, all the whistling that Willie

39:43

uses to communicate is all public domain as

39:45

well. So that's OK. You might think

39:47

it's not. But a lot of

39:49

times the people think it's not public

39:51

domain because they've heard that song very recently

39:53

and something very prominent. But the original

39:55

a lot of times the original notes are

39:57

public domain. So you can whistle it.

39:59

OK. You can sing it. You can do your

40:01

own version. You just can't take like the most

40:03

famous recording because that's not in public domain. I

40:06

basically have an associate's degree in

40:08

copyright theft. I mean, copyright, copyright

40:10

homage, whatever you want to call

40:12

it. I would assume that

40:14

Disney, I guess I'm just assuming that

40:16

Disney is so strict with everything that

40:18

they would have it all covered, you

40:20

know, but apparently they don't.

40:22

I mean, it's like the

40:24

Wild West now. I mean, it really is. I

40:27

like to think, well, I think

40:29

we know now they know about the

40:31

movie. But obviously, there's somebody who's scouring

40:33

the internet at all times, looking for

40:35

Disney stuff. But I'd like

40:37

to think somebody went and watched it.

40:41

Yeah, have you heard anything?

40:43

Anything have you heard?

40:45

We can't comment on the House

40:47

of Mouse. But I do

40:49

think that I'm a big Walt

40:51

Disney fan, not the company,

40:53

but the guy. My high

40:55

school yearbook quote was a Walt

40:57

Disney quote. I'd

40:59

like to believe that while he

41:01

may not appreciate what we've done to

41:03

his, you know, his most prized

41:05

character, I do think he'd respect the

41:08

why and the how because, you

41:10

know, he believed nothing was impossible. And

41:12

so you should chase your dreams.

41:14

And I think we did that. So

41:16

I really did love the little

41:18

animation that you did in there. I

41:20

think that played. I, knowing now that

41:22

how much like love you have

41:24

for him, the way that you

41:27

showed him and his like light in that. That

41:29

was one of my favorite parts of the movie. Oh,

41:32

this is really sweet. I was like, this is really

41:34

awesome. And it was really nice to take a

41:36

break for a second. And, you know, it was really,

41:38

it was, it was really interesting. I really loved

41:40

it. So we have a

41:43

lot of questions like you

41:45

guys have. Oh, great. Fantastic.

41:48

You've broken our talk scary to me. So

41:50

I'm just going to ask a couple of

41:52

these. So. So Mac

41:54

Zombie 4 wants to know

41:56

what the most difficult scene to

41:58

film was. I

42:02

think it was the captain's. Well, it

42:04

was either the captain scene or

42:06

there's the big crowd scene with the

42:08

cop, because we were on the

42:10

ferry for that. So getting water onto

42:12

the ferry, getting a bunch of

42:14

people onto the ferry was very challenging.

42:16

But I think it was the

42:18

captain one, because you used every trick

42:20

in the book. The force perspective,

42:22

LED wall, puppet. Blood. I

42:25

mean, that death, one

42:27

character, the one character is

42:29

dying. But it requires

42:31

maybe eight people

42:33

are operating it between the mouse and the

42:35

corpse and the guy was pumping the

42:37

blood and the two fake hands and all

42:39

of this crazy stuff. So yeah, definitely

42:41

I'd say the without giving too much away.

42:43

I mean, you can see it in

42:45

the trailer that the captain gets attacked. So

42:47

yeah, definitely the captain. Yeah. And

42:50

the props needed puppet size and David

42:52

size like that one was was crazy shot

42:54

that one. So you guys did two

42:56

cameras, right? Or did you do? Did you

42:58

do more than two? We

43:01

shot two cameras most of the time,

43:03

but for the kills You know the

43:05

the framing has to be so specific

43:07

for the because it's all like in

43:09

camera trickery So you can't really do

43:11

a second angle because the gag only looks

43:13

right from one side Yeah, but when the

43:15

blood starts spraying you need to do

43:17

two cameras because at that point it's up

43:19

to physics Where the blood goes and

43:21

you only get one setting that yeah

43:25

How were your special

43:27

effects? Were there any

43:29

booboos? Anything that didn't

43:31

work? Anything that didn't work? That

43:33

happened me. Daniel and our

43:35

experience was always 50 -50. 50 -50?

43:39

I don't know that anything

43:41

didn't work, but I think things pivoted

43:44

in the moment. This is the

43:46

better way to do it, maybe more

43:48

so than what we envisioned. Yeah,

43:51

I mean, thankfully, the Terrifier team is extremely,

43:53

they had all just come off of

43:55

Terrifier 3. So they're extremely familiar with how

43:57

to prep for these things, how to

43:59

capture them, the, you know, the scheduling to

44:01

make sure you get everything, their unwillingness to

44:03

compromise. I mean, they must have, those poor guys

44:05

and gals, they work so hard and they're,

44:07

but they're there with the plastic tarps, they cover

44:09

up the camera. They're like, no, you really

44:11

want to be over here. Like if we don't

44:13

get it, wait the hour, clean it up,

44:15

let's try it again. So we didn't have any

44:17

really major malfunctions. I mean, the only thing

44:19

that really went maybe a little sideways

44:21

was some of the blood when we were first

44:23

starting to do it some of the blood sprayed

44:25

a little more than I was planning but it

44:27

didn't mean it wasn't freaking awesome and I didn't

44:29

love it and we're like oh that's going in

44:31

the movie for sure just got messier than anyone

44:33

expected and we were like okay so moving forward

44:35

we're gonna test this so if you were to

44:38

come to our set in any given day you'd

44:40

see Cody, shout out to Cody, out at the

44:42

edge of the, you know, with the actors at

44:44

the edge of the boat with the blood gun.

44:46

And he's like, okay, here's how it's going to

44:48

spray. And then he'd pull it in the actor

44:50

like, oh, that's what it's going to do. And

44:52

we're like, yep. That's really fucking

44:54

nice that they show the actor

44:56

how it was going to be. Yes.

44:59

Well, do you get that? Doesn't

45:02

that sound like a lesson you

45:04

learned from trial error? That's really

45:06

wonderful. That's really, really wonderful. This

45:08

is the pressure. This is what it's

45:10

going to feel. I've never fucking had that. No,

45:13

never. They're like, okay, let's

45:15

get a spray. Ready, three, two, one,

45:17

go. Yeah. I mean, you want a real

45:19

reaction, but I think it's also very

45:21

difficult to play through a scene if you

45:23

are caught off guard by the technical

45:25

side of it. So at least showing them

45:27

like, oh, is it going to dribble

45:30

out? Is it going to spray? Is it

45:32

going to billow out? Or what should

45:34

I be reacting to? Because if it's trickling

45:36

out and I'm playing like something insane

45:38

is happening, then I look like I'm Overacting

45:40

or whatever it is or the reverse,

45:42

you know, right? Oh, it's very wonderful guys.

45:44

I love hearing that. His

45:46

actors over here. We'd love

45:48

hearing that. Yeah, I'm sure

45:51

they appreciate it. Rando Minks

45:53

wants to know, can we

45:55

expect more merch? Yes,

45:58

yes, you can. We have a lot

46:00

of... Oh, we have a lot of

46:02

really fun ideas. The thing people keep

46:04

asking for the most is like a plushie or

46:06

a doll. So that's on the way. I

46:08

want that. And then we have a bunch

46:10

of cool shirt ideas that are get worked

46:13

on hats and stuff. Just got to keep

46:15

an eye out. I mean, the fact that

46:17

we, our first two shirts were in Hot

46:19

Topic the week of the movie came out

46:21

was like so awesome. And we went to,

46:23

we went to go see them at Universal

46:25

when the movie was playing at Universal, which

46:27

is like a dream of mine to see

46:29

my film play at Universal Studios. And

46:32

they only had two shirts I said, oh.

46:34

It's so cool that they have two of our shirts,

46:36

and they didn't know who we were. And they were

46:38

like, oh yeah, we used to have a lot more,

46:40

but they sold out. So we just reordered them. And

46:42

we were like, you sold out of our shirts at

46:44

Hot Topic. And speaking of

46:46

nostalgia, Hot Topic is

46:49

childhood nostalgia for me, right?

46:51

Girl, yeah. That's

46:53

amazing. A graphic tee of

46:56

mine at Hot Topic is super cool. That's

46:58

a fucking slam dunk. Congratulations, guys. How did

47:00

that come about? How did that deal happen?

47:02

Give us the scoop because we're, you know, we

47:05

need to do something like that scout. Right.

47:08

We have a we have a handful

47:10

of really awesome partners who, I mean,

47:12

this movie happened really fast, right? It

47:14

came into the public domain January 24.

47:16

We're shooting May of 24. We're still

47:19

shooting September of 24, even though we

47:21

have to deliver an October of 24

47:23

and a handful of people. Yeah.

47:25

Oh, yeah. I was a lot less gray

47:27

than I am now. That's for sure. But,

47:30

you know, there's a handful

47:32

of really awesome partners that

47:34

we have, especially not just

47:36

like high level people at

47:38

the companies, but sometimes smaller,

47:40

you know, Store owners

47:42

who are like, hey, you really should talk to

47:44

you. I know the head person at such and

47:46

such place and I think they would be the best

47:49

people to help us get your shirt to this

47:51

place and that place and all these other spots.

47:53

So it's not even like, oh hot topic came to

47:55

us from down from the mountain and said, oh,

47:57

we want to give you a shirt. It was

47:59

like just a regular store owner. It was like, hey,

48:01

I believe in what you're doing. I've seen what

48:03

you guys have done. Can I see the mouse?

48:05

And then we showed him and he was like, this

48:07

is gonna be a thing. Let's try to make

48:09

it happen. Oh,

48:11

that's amazing. Shout out to Scare

48:13

Pros. Yeah, Chris at

48:15

Scare Pros, hope to that. Chris at Scare

48:18

Pros, Danielle. Oh, I

48:20

already have his information. Yeah, there you

48:22

go. You should. bet you already know

48:24

him, Danielle. Yes. Yes, he believed the movie

48:26

before it was a movie, and

48:28

that's something you just can't... It's just

48:30

those few little people that help you out

48:32

along the way and make a big

48:34

difference. amazing. I that. It's

48:36

also helpful that the character... It's

48:39

so looks awesome merchandiseable. Yeah, just

48:41

a little guy. Yeah, some more

48:43

stuff coming. That's our answer Amazing

48:45

so a filmmaker Steve he goes

48:47

if I make a mead one

48:49

fan art to give to the

48:52

actor and our director Would he

48:54

give it a shout out? We

48:57

love doing that. Yes, absolutely. I

48:59

love fan art. Every

49:01

time someone, I mean, I feel like horror fans

49:03

are so incredibly talented. We've seen some of

49:05

the most amazing fan art, and every time I

49:08

see it come through on our feed, I

49:10

try to reshare it because it's so cool. like

49:12

such a good feeling, you know, when

49:14

someone leave. Yeah, look behind me, I've got

49:16

a bunch of... Yeah, isn't it so

49:19

cool? It's so great, and they're like, you

49:21

know, we've never gotten anything particularly weird,

49:23

but every, like there, I have fan art

49:25

that's hanging up in my office. How

49:27

could I not? Have you seen any tattoos

49:29

on anyone yet? Ooh. Yes, we've seen,

49:31

we've seen one. The mean one tattoos, did

49:33

we, have we seen it? I've seen

49:36

the book really, yes. Someone took a photo

49:38

of the, there's funny of cartoons at

49:40

the end of the movie and someone took

49:42

a photo and got a tattoo of

49:44

that. Yes, that's right. And they're so, they're

49:46

super cool in the credits. They're these,

49:48

you know, hand drawn cartoon drawings. Like rubber

49:50

hose style. They're super cool on someone.

49:53

And you guys are doing cons, correct? Yeah,

49:55

we just are, we're just starting out.

49:58

How's it been? done conventions before. So fun.

50:00

Yeah, it's really cool. I mean, we're new

50:02

to it. So it all feels like novel

50:04

and exciting and fun to us. We started

50:06

doing, we did three different fan screenings before

50:08

the movie came out. So those were the

50:10

cons that we did. And it was just

50:12

really cool to meet everyone so nice. So

50:15

it was really cool. Like the other

50:17

actors and celebrities in the room were

50:19

also welcoming and kind to us. But

50:21

then all of the fans and people,

50:23

so many people came up with steel

50:26

books from the mean one and. knowing

50:28

like the dialogue from the mean one

50:30

we're like oh wow it like it's

50:32

it feels like a community man it's

50:34

like no other it's such a nice

50:36

the horror fan base is god i

50:39

i don't know i just have so

50:41

much love for it so supportive it

50:43

like they're like your biggest cheerleaders they

50:45

really are and they really care it's

50:47

it's true and it's just such a

50:50

Sometimes when you work on a movie, especially

50:52

because it's a lot of like you're on

50:54

set, you're in a studio, you're always locked

50:56

in some dark room somewhere. And sometimes making

50:58

a movie can feel that way, especially we're

51:00

an independent film. We're trying to cut through

51:02

the noise. We don't have a massive marketing

51:05

budget to put up billboards and all that

51:07

stuff. So there are days, there are great

51:09

days when everyone's talking about the flick and

51:11

there's great days where you're like. Does anyone

51:13

care? And then you go to some of

51:15

these horror conventions and you meet some of

51:17

these fans and they're as passionate about it

51:19

as you are. And it like really reignites

51:21

your fire and like reminds you, we don't

51:23

make these movies just for us. We make

51:25

these movies for everyone. And to sit in

51:27

a room with people and see them laugh

51:29

and have them come back and say, I

51:32

like this, I like that. We're like, oh

51:34

yeah, I like that too. That's why I

51:36

did it is really fun. I love that. Uh,

51:38

the horror strand wants to know

51:40

whom is another Disney character you'd

51:42

love to transition into horror. I

51:44

was thinking about this. I

51:47

was thinking about this. I really like

51:49

small soldiers. Did you guys ever see

51:51

that movie? Oh yeah. That was already

51:53

kind of a horror. Toys coming to

51:55

life. Yeah. And I was like,

51:57

it'd be really funny to see like a toy story

51:59

like twisted. a version of

52:01

like, you know, Andy's toys coming

52:03

to life. Oh my God. They're

52:05

all a little creepy anyway, because

52:08

they're like amalgamations course. Dude, especially

52:10

Sid's, Sid's closet, you just call

52:12

it Sid's closet. Yeah, Sid's

52:14

bedroom, Sid's toys. There's

52:18

a movie. You know,

52:20

we get this question a lot and I

52:22

should really have an answer. I feel

52:24

like my, the thing I'm most interested in

52:26

is maybe, is the sequel. That

52:29

is a lot of people's questions,

52:31

right, in this thing. When's

52:33

the sequel? Are you doing

52:35

a sequel? Is it written? Oh,

52:39

I can't comment on what I have

52:41

typed up on a note sheet on my

52:43

cell phone. I can't comment on that

52:45

at all. We

52:48

loved making this movie. The film's about to

52:50

drop on digital May 2nd. So we're excited

52:53

for people that couldn't get to the theater

52:55

to be able to see it and watch

52:57

it and engage with it too. And if

52:59

the reaction's really strong and people want to

53:01

see more Screamboat, then I think there's lots

53:03

of stories left to tell with Steamboat Willie

53:05

on the Staten Island ferry. Oh

53:07

yeah, there is. And you guys

53:09

did such a good job introducing

53:12

the potential of the sequel at

53:14

the end as well, the drops

53:16

that you guys had. I was

53:18

like, what? What? It was really

53:20

great. It's really beautiful. Oh, thank

53:22

you. Very well done. Very

53:24

well done. more homages

53:26

we can do. Yeah, more

53:29

homages, more deaths, more

53:31

silly references. But other things

53:33

in this universe that you may

53:35

be familiar with. Will you continue it

53:37

like on the ferry or is

53:39

it Mickey is now like, Willie, sorry,

53:42

is now is now in

53:44

New York City? Now

53:46

we're in New York City, baby.

53:48

I can't comment. I

53:50

can't comment. I'm trying, guys. I'm trying. You're not

53:52

going to get it from me. You're not

53:54

going to get it from me. But I have

53:56

pitched some of the key things that would

53:58

be in it. You want to ask

54:00

David about it? I've told David some of the things that

54:02

are in the movies. So feel free to annoy him at conventions.

54:04

Yeah, David told me some stuff. It

54:06

sounds really great. I

54:09

feel like David Lin's little detail slip

54:11

easier. He's, yeah, you're more likely to

54:13

get it from him than you are

54:15

from me. He's so glad he signed

54:17

that NDA. Right, right.

54:19

He's, you know, only on one. Oh, it's

54:21

so funny. Oh, and the

54:23

Matterhorn, for me, by the way, if I

54:25

was to adapt something, it would be the

54:28

Matterhorn ride, I think would be for me.

54:30

Oh. Because people ask like what you would

54:32

want to adapt, like just a scary Yeti

54:34

movie, I think would be awesome. That's such

54:36

a clever answer. I love that. Yeah, I

54:38

think the Matterhorn ride. Such a clever answer.

54:40

Yeah, because it's like a little bit scary,

54:42

but not super scary. Yeah, I think Matterhorn

54:44

Ride or if anyone's been on ExtraTerrorrestrial where

54:47

they locked everybody in those like shoulder restraints

54:49

and the monster appeared in front of you.

54:51

It's like a 90s Disney deep cut. Man,

54:54

just getting on fucking Matterhorn in

54:56

general is like a fucking horror

54:59

movie. Just riding that ride. I'm

55:01

like, is my back gonna survive?

55:04

Right, it's my neck gonna be okay. This

55:07

thing gonna go off the edge

55:09

of the snowy mountain. It's

55:12

so good though, it's so

55:14

good. We obviously answer some fan

55:16

questions and with the little

55:18

time that we have left, we'd

55:20

love to get some of

55:22

your advice to some of our

55:24

fan questions here. We're certainly

55:26

qualified for that, so let's do it. Yeah,

55:30

you guys see me. So that's

55:32

why. So this is entitled. Oh,

55:36

no, we're just going

55:38

to go straight to it.

55:40

This is entitled twinkle

55:42

toes from Phoenix. I

55:45

love you all so much. Your

55:47

podcast gives me life. Danielle, your

55:49

honesty always cracks me up. Scout,

55:51

I swear you were born to

55:53

voice badass characters. Thank you. OK,

55:55

my boyfriend has a foot fetish.

55:57

I'm not judging. I've even

55:59

gotten into it a little, but now he

56:01

wants me to give him a foot job

56:03

under the table at a restaurant, like in

56:05

public. I'm equal parts terrified

56:08

and turned on. I'm no prude, but

56:10

also I'd rather not go to jail

56:12

for foot stuff. Should I try it?

56:14

Is it hot or is it just

56:16

humiliating. Well, I don't know about doing

56:18

something like that at a restaurant.

56:20

That seems extreme. movie theater. What? That's

56:23

good. Go to a movie theater.

56:25

In the dark. Scouts

56:27

like, wait. That's very in

56:29

a movie theater. In

56:31

a movie theater. I don't know. Watching

56:33

the screen boat. Are you thinking while

56:35

watching screen boat? That's right. Is

56:39

it a crowd? Daniel, Daniel, go see your movie

56:41

next week. Look,

56:43

we're not here to judge. Did

56:45

I jump your intro? She's

56:47

like, I do it a movie with some popcorn. But

56:51

there's someone sitting next to each of

56:53

you, so I think just logistically. But

56:55

I think that's better than a restaurant.

56:57

I guess if the idea at the

57:00

restaurant is like, ooh, it's dangerous and

57:02

risky, and that's what makes it hot.

57:05

but the restaurant just having just

57:07

doing that in general would be

57:10

dangerous and risky for me so

57:12

i don't know if like taking

57:14

it outside of the household i'm

57:16

like wait i'm not personally into

57:18

foot stuff so i don't get

57:20

the appeal really but Your

57:23

time will come. The time will come.

57:26

I have beautiful feet. Thank you. I wouldn't.

57:28

I don't know what is. Wait, wait.

57:30

This is from Steven? Right.

57:33

Steven L in Los Angeles. Uh,

57:36

well. Have we

57:38

considered other low venues to explore

57:40

this? Perhaps a think maybe at

57:42

home. Like if you're gonna experience

57:44

what's happening Where no one's around. A

57:47

car is good. Yeah, while

57:49

you're driving, totally great. Not while

57:51

driving. while driving. In a

57:53

parked car, you go for a

57:55

hike and there's no one around, then still

57:57

technically the public. Have you

57:59

ever been given or given road head? I

58:02

mean, you've been, you know.

58:05

Daniel's like, god damn it. Gotta

58:07

say. Not while the car

58:09

was moving. It means

58:11

like not with you, but... Over here

58:13

learning some stuff. I got to Google

58:15

this. Not

58:18

in a moving vehicle. I mean

58:20

like the vehicle. Not yet. So in

58:22

a parked car. Okay. Man,

58:25

I did too much stupid stuff when I

58:27

was a kid. So yeah. That's dangerous, don't

58:29

try that kid home. say stuff like that

58:31

when I was a kid. You can't that.

58:33

When I was younger, too much stuff

58:35

like that when I was a kid.

58:37

When I was in my 20s, when

58:40

I was in my 20s, I

58:42

did too many stuff on Mulholland Drive

58:44

like an idiot. Mulholland

58:47

Drive is dangerous. a

58:50

risky move. Not parked,

58:52

but drive mud. But

58:54

the windy roads, man. They're

58:57

great. All right, let's

58:59

see here. Let's see. We have

59:01

another one here. OK,

59:03

this is interesting. I try not

59:05

to give you these hard ones.

59:07

That was really crazy. Oh,

59:11

I fantasize about my

59:13

fiance's best friend. OK.

59:15

Oh, while we're having

59:18

sex. Oh. Oh.

59:22

Ladies, I live for your

59:24

podcast. So I'm engaged.

59:26

He's amazing, sweet and supportive

59:28

and sexy the whole package. But

59:31

I cannot stop fantasizing about his

59:33

best friend. Like while we're having

59:35

sex, I picture his voice, his

59:37

hands. I've never cheated, but my

59:40

brain feels like it's crossing in line.

59:42

Do I ignore it? Do I say something?

59:44

Ooh. Don't

59:47

say something. I don't know about. Don't

59:49

say something. Definitely don't say something. But

59:52

I think you should explore

59:54

that before you get married. Yeah.

59:57

That seems like a big red flag. You

59:59

don't want to have the hots for

1:00:01

your soon to be husband's best friend. No,

1:00:04

especially if you can't like

1:00:06

control the thought, like stop the

1:00:08

thoughts, especially during sex. It

1:00:10

seems like I need to. I

1:00:13

think you shouldn't get married. I

1:00:16

think you. Have to

1:00:18

figure out if that is the

1:00:20

per I know that she's I'm

1:00:22

assuming it's I don't know if

1:00:24

it's he or she You're saying

1:00:26

that he's amazing sweet and supportive

1:00:28

and sexy in the whole package

1:00:30

But if he was the whole

1:00:32

package then you wouldn't be fantasizing

1:00:35

about his best friend. Yeah, yeah,

1:00:37

but it's But a fantasy is

1:00:39

not action, right? I mean so

1:00:41

like you're So I mean, I

1:00:43

think certainly thinking about how you

1:00:45

arrived at this thought is a

1:00:47

reasonable thing to explore, especially before

1:00:49

getting married. But if it's just

1:00:51

a fantasy, the fact that it's

1:00:53

a real person and not like

1:00:55

a fairy in a book or,

1:00:57

you know, an imaginary character. Are

1:01:03

you on TikTok? Are you on TikTok?

1:01:05

Book talk? There's all these, you know, Romantic

1:01:07

-y books are very in right now, and

1:01:09

it's not cheating if you're reading it

1:01:11

in a book, fantasizing about a real person.

1:01:13

emotional cheating cheating? Because like, if you're

1:01:16

having, if you're, if she

1:01:18

or they, whoever they are, turned

1:01:20

on during sex only at the

1:01:22

thought of the best friend, isn't

1:01:24

that sort of like emotional cheating? a

1:01:27

little bit? Yeah, right? But the question

1:01:29

is why? Is that what's the core

1:01:31

of the fantasy? Is it doing something

1:01:33

wrong? Is it I'm attracted to this

1:01:35

other person? Yeah, that's the question. That's

1:01:37

the question, yeah. And then

1:01:39

also I think that, you know, if she

1:01:41

can't control, you know, they can't control

1:01:43

their fantasy. I mean, that's like thoughts I

1:01:45

don't think are inherently bad. It's where

1:01:47

did it come from and what are you

1:01:50

going to do about it? And

1:01:52

maybe don't talk to her. don't

1:01:54

normally fantasize about maybe maybe they

1:01:56

do about someone they don't find

1:01:58

attractive. Do they? Do

1:02:00

you fantasize about someone that you don't

1:02:02

find attractive? No, and if it's someone

1:02:05

like in your social circle, I think

1:02:07

that's like the next level of It's

1:02:09

a little too close. I kind of agree

1:02:11

with you, Scout. I don't think you should

1:02:13

get married before you figure out what that

1:02:15

is. Figure that out, yeah. That might also

1:02:18

just be fear that's coming into her mind

1:02:20

and playing with her because she is getting

1:02:22

married. It may not even Well,

1:02:24

if she was dreaming about it, I think that's

1:02:26

a different story. Yeah. But if

1:02:28

she's thinking about it purposely while she's being intimate

1:02:30

with her man, she's got the hots for

1:02:32

his best friend. Well, you also are going to

1:02:34

live your whole life with this man and

1:02:36

you want to be thinking about their best friend.

1:02:39

the whole time for your whole life? We

1:02:42

got one life. Maybe just go be

1:02:45

with the best friend. Who knows? Maybe

1:02:47

that better. She's fantasizing in the

1:02:50

moment, though, not like, oh, could we

1:02:52

raise a family? Oh, do we

1:02:54

have a future together? She's just fantasizing

1:02:56

about it in this one very

1:02:58

specific capacity. is true. That's very smart.

1:03:00

Yeah, Danielle and I have both

1:03:02

been a part of the SLA program.

1:03:06

when we were working the program, a

1:03:09

lot of it is like fantasy building, right?

1:03:11

So it's, it's good that you sort of

1:03:13

brought that up because a lot of it

1:03:15

is built off of like creating fantasies in

1:03:17

your, in your head with someone that you

1:03:19

meet or you're attracted to, or if you're

1:03:22

with someone and fantasizing about somebody else and

1:03:24

building a whole life, it's like, you know,

1:03:26

it's one of the hard things, man.

1:03:29

Yeah, love connect. Thank you

1:03:31

guys so much for coming on

1:03:33

talk scary to me. I know everybody

1:03:35

the whole fan base is is

1:03:37

wild about Screamboat and I know they

1:03:39

want a sequel so we can't

1:03:41

wait to hear all about that and

1:03:43

see you guys at a con Yes,

1:03:46

so much fun. Yeah,

1:03:49

so great. Yes, thank you for

1:03:51

Scout and I are totally available and

1:03:53

ready to take him on for

1:03:55

your sequel, if you like. We'll be

1:03:57

there. Oh, fantastic. You

1:04:00

never know, You never know where

1:04:02

You never know where the Sat Island

1:04:04

ferry may go. Yeah, Yes. To

1:04:07

California. shh. That's right, that's right. Well,

1:04:09

thank you for having us. We're so

1:04:11

grateful for you guys and for anyone

1:04:13

that's seen the movie and people that

1:04:15

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1:04:17

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1:04:19

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1:04:23

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1:04:25

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1:04:27

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1:04:29

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1:04:31

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1:04:33

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1:04:35

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1:04:38

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