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we have an amazing guest today. We have... um

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an amazing man he's a he's been a great friend

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of us ever since we got in contact with him um

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his name is father bob bailey let me bring him

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forward hey father how are you great good to

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be out with you guys i really appreciate your

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time and thank you so much for making time for

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us because i know you're very busy No problem.

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So, babe, do you want to start off with the first question, or do you want me to? Oh, me, you can

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start. Okay. So, I wanted to ask you, what we

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want to tell our viewers a little bit about yourself,

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a little bit about what you do, and just basically

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whatever you want to tell us. Okay. Well, I may...

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A Roman Catholic priest. I'm retired right now.

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Retired a little early because of some health

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issues. But still a priest, which has now freed

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me up, actually, to explore more of helping with

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the paranormal. I don't have a parish anymore

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and those responsibilities that I used to have. But I've been a priest for... 33 years or so

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and, you know, various places. But I've had an

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interest in the paranormal since I was a child.

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And it mostly began with what I call Catholic

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paranormal, miracles, apparitions, visions, and

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things like that. But I always had an inner sense

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of the battle between good and evil. and feeling

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a calling to be part of that. And so when I became

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a priest and then learned and came in contact

4:58

with people in the paranormal who sought out

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my help as a priest, I then saw what I thought

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was a calling within a calling, and that is to

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help in the area of spiritual warfare and the

5:14

spiritual battle. And so I'd been on... different

5:18

podcasts and different things but mostly uh i've

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been helping people uh that have asked for help

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that i can actually get to uh to help them with

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issues whether it be deliverance itself or what

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i call uh liberations over home or places wow

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that's amazing that is awesome That is such great

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work. And I'm so happy that you're doing that

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for people because that's absolutely amazing. And I find it absolutely amazing that you're

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able to, you know, you had an interest in the

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paranormal growing up and then you get into,

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you know, this clergy work and then all of a

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sudden you kind of can't really get into the

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paranormal stuff. And then when you get out,

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you actually are able to. And I find it amazing

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that you're able to now use your work as a tool

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to help others even further. And I find that

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absolutely amazing. So I commend you, my friend.

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Thank you. Thank you. I did it before, but it's

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just not on the level that I am doing it now.

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And I'm really happy about that. That's great.

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That's great. So I know that, let's see, if I'm

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correct, you have your own, was it the Holy Sword

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Apostling? That's correct. I mean, years ago,

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I had PWSM, which was the City of Morris at St.

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Michael. And then when my associate and his family

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moved to Carolinas, I kind of went a little dormant

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on that, you know, and just kind of helped people.

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you know, on my own on the DL, I guess, uh, just

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helping individuals. And so it wasn't, uh, as

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organized like it was before. We even had a,

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uh, a YouTube, uh, show confronting the darkness

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and we did things like that. Um, so, but yeah,

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so now, uh, I began what they call the Holy Sword

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Apostolate and it's, uh, a possibility that's

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really blossoming and growing. I started out

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with a group of what I call prayer warriors,

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and they would be people that have been committed

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to pray for what I do, and then any cases that

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come up or anything that comes up, I would ask

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them to pray, and they would do every day. Then

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I was able to link up with a priest on the West

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Coast, Father Ken, and that's when the ministry

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really began to blossom. We decided to work together,

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East Coast, West Coast, and to start a network,

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mostly of clergy, but also of others' expertise

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to help with that. So it's a big shout out to

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Father Ken Torres, who's in... California. And

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that's going. That's beginning to blossom really

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nice. And then we're getting a board together also for the Holy Sword. So it's growing. That

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is absolutely awesome. I also have a website

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for education material. That's wonderful. There

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needs to be more education. I think that everybody

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should be learning. I think it's wonderful. I

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love Father Ken. I met him a few years ago, and

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he's been super helpful. He has taken time to

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talk to me, to talk to many people. I don't know.

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I don't know what I would have done without him a few months ago. Yeah, he's really – we hit

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it off from the very get -go. And, you know,

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we have become besties, and we haven't even officially

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met each other, you know, in real time. So I'm

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hoping to be able to see him maybe in August

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if I go there for a conference. So, yeah, it's

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funny. We're like the besties. We're associates.

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together, working together, but we haven't physically

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met together. You know, it's funny when you say

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that, because the other host of our show, his

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name is John Keyworth, and me and him met from

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being a host on the show, and he actually, he

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was a guest on the show, and it was funny, me

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and him became best friends, and we never met.

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And then all of a sudden, we just decided that we were going on a road trip to Montana State

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Prison to investigate. So I flew out to Denver

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to meet him and his whole family, sleeping in

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his house, not even knowing it was the most awkward

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thing ever. But it felt so comfortable because

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we felt like we knew each other for like 10 years.

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So I know what you mean. So I wanted to ask you,

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though, Bob, I wanted to ask you. In your work,

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when you were active, when you weren't retired,

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were you able to really talk about the paranormal

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to people? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's not front

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and down upon? No, no, not really. Because I

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had a specialized area, and that is spiritual

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warfare, deliverance, the things that we hold

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and believe as Christians. At the time when I

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first began to do this, I went to the bishop at the time, and I talked to him about it. I

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gave him a book from an exorcist, and he was

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okay. I never had any problems. Oh, that's awesome.

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That's so great because I've heard so many different

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stories from people that say, oh, it's frowned

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down upon and they try not to really do it and

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stuff like that. I didn't know how it worked.

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I don't say much. The adage that I learned in

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the seminary is it's better to ask pardon than

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permission. But honestly, I've talked about it

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and there have been no problems. There's others

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who don't believe what I'm doing or are cynical

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about it. That's a different story, but I never

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had a prohibition. So now tell me, Father, how

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would you go about telling if somebody has either

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a demonic possession or an oppression? What are

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the steps that you would take to go and do those

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steps for people who don't know? Yeah, part of

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it for oppression or obsession or that kind,

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you know, those kind of things for deliverance,

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basically just interviewing them, asking questions,

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asking them their medical history, psychological

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history. asking about, especially if they're

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sensing things on the outside in their homes

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and stuff like that, asking questions, where

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do they live? Do they live near a source? How

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are their appliances that they're using? Are

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they antiquated? You can check because sometimes

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they give off things that can really work with

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your mind and stuff like that. And if I go to

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see them, It's usually I begin by praying. And

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if they have an adverse effect to holy things,

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then I know that there's some kind of an issue.

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You know, and with the bulk of my work has to

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do with homes or places. And my adage is there's

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never hurts to bless. So whether I believe them

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or not, whether I think there's a natural explanation.

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A lot of times there is and that it gives them

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comfort to bless the home. And so I will do a

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thorough job of doing that. And, you know, that

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helps. I've only ran in, in my experience, one

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case of someone who's actually demonically possessed.

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A lot of people talk about this one's possessed,

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that one's possessed. You know, there's criteria for that. And when you come into a demon -possessed,

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truly demon -possessed person, you know it. You

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know it. And I was two hours, over two hours

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over someone. And then all of a sudden I began

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to realize that they were exhibiting classic

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signs like speaking in languages. And it was,

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you know, a young lady. And she had just had

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this amazing strength all of a sudden. Her boyfriend,

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who was very built, couldn't even handle her.

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She was blaspheming. She had an aversion to holy

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objects. And I began to realize, like, oh, wait

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a minute. This is beyond my pay grade. I need

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to call Bishop and ask him. Yeah, I know. Yeah,

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I don't blame you. I mean, I I've only I've experienced

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one. I got to sit in on an exorcism and it was

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of a younger girl and she was literally like

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around nine, 10 years old. And what I saw and

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the strength that she had, you you knew right

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away that it was something different. It wasn't

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a normal what we would call spirit. You know

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what I mean? It was definitely something strong.

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and uh when i when i watched when i felt the

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strength of her i was like oh my gosh you know

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like it was it was intense it really truly was

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and it was scary it was scary oh yeah and and

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that's why i think a lot of these people talk

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about demon possessed so i read it isn't real

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demon possession i mean it's It's a sight that

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you won't forget. It's not as common as I'm seeing

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people saying that they're experiencing. Absolutely.

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I think the TV has changed a lot of people into

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doing it for fame now. Everybody's now you know

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what I mean? It's sad to see that. Yeah, everybody's

16:13

an exorcist now. I would never call myself an

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exorcist. Never. What I am is part of my priesthood

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is the order of exorcists. But we can only exercise

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that with permission from our bishop. And there's

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a spirituality, there's a spiritual authority

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that's given once you're giving permission out

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of obedience. So I'm not going to go without

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that or else I'm going to be beat up. I mean, because those, you know, you read about Father

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Gabriel and Martha and true exorcists, you know,

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that are out there, Father Carlos Montes, and

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they'll tell you it's a dangerous game. It's

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very dangerous. And you can't just go in there

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willy -nilly and, you know, and, you know, I'm,

17:04

you know, I became an exorcist, you know, because

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I took the course. I don't get that. I was going

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to ask that. I was going to ask when you entered

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the priesthood, do you pick, like, as you go,

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do you feel led in one direction or another?

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Yeah, not with that kind of thing, but we could

17:28

use our concentration in the seminary for scripture,

17:34

liturgy, theology, history, church history, different

17:41

things like that, but not on exorcism or deliverance,

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no. It's part of our training, but it's not like

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a whole concentration. Well, now, for your training,

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you had to obviously, I would say, observe, correct,

18:05

another exorcist doing their work? I have, but

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no, no. It's not part of my training. Oh, no.

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Actually, no, no, no, not at all. Oh, wow. Let

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me just. there's not that many around for every

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you know if every seminary in the country you

18:25

know no yeah you know but i myself as a young

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adult uh was part of a team um i will you know

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i was not a priest or even a seminarian at that

18:37

point but uh yeah i i was allowed to be a part

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of that and my uh my whole uh in that whole thing

18:48

was just to continually pray the Hail Mary during

18:51

the whole thing. And then the next time that

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I was in the company of that is when I was doing

18:59

that deliverance, what I thought was a deliverance.

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And, you know, it was, they were showing demonic

19:05

signs. Wow. Now, see, I always wanted to ask

19:12

this question. Know that you're not obviously

19:15

supposed to acknowledge it, talk to it, nothing

19:19

along those lines, during an exorcist or anything

19:21

along those lines. Can you explain kind of what

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the reasoning behind that is? Sure, sure. No,

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I can address it, yes, but never in my own name

19:31

because I have no authority on my own as a human

19:35

being. So when I see things on TV, they're talking

19:42

to what they consider demons. I'm going, if that

19:44

was a real demon, you're going to get clobbered.

19:47

So whenever I go in there, and I think it's an

19:51

evil spirit, like if that's attacking somebody,

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I'll just say, in the name of Jesus Christ, I

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command you. So I don't ask, I command, but always

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in the name of Jesus. And a lot of times I use

20:05

Latin because it gets their attention too. Is

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there something about Latin that gets you? There

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is. Even in deliverance, I don't do exorcisms,

20:19

but exorcists will tell you that the use of Latin

20:23

is important and there's some kind of an authority

20:26

in using that language. So I do incorporate it

20:29

when I'm praying over a person who's obsessed

20:33

or is oppressed. Or even over a home or a place.

20:41

And there have been times when a person who is

20:45

oppressed has told me to stop speaking that language.

20:50

Whatever was in it was not comfortable with it.

20:52

Wow. There's like stages, right? To possession,

20:58

like obsession, oppression. Yes, there are. There

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are different stages of what we call demonic influence. Yes, it could be oppression, which

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is from the outside, and there are attacks and

21:12

temptations from the outside. Obsession is when

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the person becomes obsessed with the phenomenon

21:21

that's going on. And so it's their own, their

21:27

mind or whatever has just... obsessed over that,

21:32

and that can be very dangerous for them too.

21:35

Then there's vexation, which is physical attack.

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It could be biting, scratching, whatever. Then

21:45

there's also possession, which is the full takeover

21:52

of the body. And then the worst of all is subjugation.

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That's when the person willingly gives themselves

21:59

over. to the demon. And when that occurs, there's

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very little you can do because their free will

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has consented. Those are different stages. And

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then the most common is temptation. I was going

22:18

to say, what would you do in that serious situation

22:21

when someone gives themselves willingly over

22:23

and they want to get out of it? How do they get out of that? Well, I suppose if they want to

22:29

get out of it, then it's, you know. Then it's

22:34

willing. It can be a help. But usually they don't

22:37

want to be. And again, it's not an area that I know well because that goes beyond possession,

22:43

you know, demonic possession. And I've never

22:45

come into that. But there are people like, you

22:49

know, like I see website or Facebook profiles.

22:57

where people are saying, hail Satan, Satan is

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great. They don't understand what they're saying.

23:04

If they're really doing that, then they're giving

23:07

themselves over. They are giving themselves over.

23:12

So that may be a subjugation. I don't know. See,

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people don't even realize that the intent of

23:20

our words really has a big impact on all the

23:23

energy around us. Absolutely. And I feel like

23:26

I wish people would understand that more, you

23:28

know. Yep. Yeah. Intention is everything. Yeah,

23:35

definitely. Absolutely. I was just saying, yeah,

23:40

like stuff like that is like, you know, you're

23:42

opening doors that you can't necessarily close

23:46

on your own. Correct. I mean, you know. My pet

23:51

peeve, and I know I get some flack for it, is

23:54

I tell people do not use Ouija boards, do not

23:56

use seances because they open portals. Especially

23:59

when you don't know what you're doing and you're calling on something that you don't understand

24:04

the other side. And a demon may come through

24:09

saying, you know, I'm Uncle Johnny or, you know,

24:13

I'm a little child or something like that. And

24:15

it isn't. And then you've opened that door and

24:18

now you've got to try to find it. and close it.

24:21

And that's not easy. Our guest we had last week

24:25

was Joe Frank. He mentioned, you know, actually

24:28

the same in fact thing. Oh, yeah. Yeah. He's

24:33

part of the network. He's part of the Holy Sword.

24:37

Yeah, Joe's a great guy. And he told you about

24:41

the society that he's beginning? Yeah. Yeah,

24:45

which is awesome. And he, yeah, and so he's asked

24:49

me to be and father ken to be a part of that

24:51

you know oh that is awesome oh anything for the

24:55

warrens i you know i loved i loved lorraine oh

24:59

i'm very privileged to have worked with her so

25:02

i was about to ask you you got to work with lorraine

25:05

i did i did unfortunately i i did never get to

25:10

meet well i got to meet ed once in the seminary

25:12

i was in major seminary and my friend his parents

25:18

knew the Warrens. So he said, hey, they're giving

25:21

a lecture. So we got out of the seminary. I don't

25:23

know how we did it, but we did. And we went down

25:26

and I went to their lecture. But then once I

25:30

was on Paranormal State, Lorraine was also. So

25:34

I got to work with her a number of times on cases.

25:38

And it was, she was just, it was a blessing to

25:41

be, you know, to work with her and have her as

25:45

part of my life. How was your time when you worked

25:48

on Paranormal State? I know I saw a few episodes.

25:51

Yeah, it was great. The one thing I can guarantee

25:54

you is that nothing was faked. The only issue

26:03

with those things is they have to capsize into

26:06

an hour. Most of the time, almost all the time,

26:10

it was never just an hour. It was over a span

26:13

of days, maybe weeks, maybe a couple of different

26:16

times coming. I normally always came on at the

26:21

end if it was a dark case. I would come on in

26:23

the end to do a deliverance of the home or the

26:25

person. But it was great. I mean, Ryan was wonderful.

26:30

The group, you know, PRS group were great. You

26:34

know, Katrina, Heather and all of them. And,

26:41

you know, I was really blessed to have that time.

26:44

And through that, I got to meet Lorraine. I got to meet Chip Coffey. I got to meet Michelle Belanger.

26:48

So it really was a door opener for me to make

26:52

contacts. I enjoyed the time until, unfortunately,

26:57

it got to such an extent that I was a full -time

27:02

pastor. So, you know, you have a full -time job.

27:06

And some of the things, the cases, I had to be

27:09

on notice because they wouldn't fully know, you

27:12

know, if there really was a dark entity. So I

27:15

found it too much, but I really enjoyed the time

27:22

being with them and learned a lot. That's amazing.

27:26

Yeah, that is amazing because I tell you what,

27:28

that was one of my most favorite television paranormal

27:33

research shows that I've ever watched. Yeah,

27:40

I'll tell you probably why, too, as well. What

27:43

attracted me, well, first of all, what attracted

27:45

me was the fact that I wasn't afraid to use prayer,

27:49

but also because they were so client -oriented.

27:53

It wasn't about getting your fix of haunted places.

28:01

I mean, we did go to some places for conferences

28:06

and they had ghost hunts and all that. But that

28:10

wasn't the primary purpose of PRS. It was client

28:13

-oriented. And I think people resonated with

28:16

that. I know I did. Oh, yeah. No, I definitely

28:19

did as well. It wasn't like over sensationalized

28:22

like some of the shows you see today. No, no.

28:26

And Ryan had to fight for that. You know, there

28:29

were times they would, you know, you don't always

28:31

get these great, you know, when you say sensational

28:35

things that happen, it's not always a paradox.

28:39

And, you know, that doesn't sit right with people,

28:42

you know, with the show. They want sensational all the time. Oh, yeah. So, you know, they may

28:47

want to lead it in a direction that out of integrity,

28:52

it's not fair. So Ryan had to fight on times

28:55

for that. And I applauded him for that. Yeah,

28:59

absolutely. Yeah, I've been trying to get Ryan

29:03

to come on the show for a while now. I know he

29:05

was going through some things for a little bit, but he's back on the, you know, the grind again

29:10

with the paranormal, which I'm so happy to see.

29:12

And he's doing well. Yeah, I'll be seeing him

29:17

in May. Oh, awesome. Yeah. That's going to be

29:23

a great reunion. Well, actually, believe it or

29:26

not, we had kept in contact through emails and

29:30

even phone calls and stuff, but we hadn't seen

29:33

each other since I had left the show. So what

29:36

happened was last year I went to Gettysburg for

29:41

the Nesper Paracon, and Ryan was there. reconnect.

29:47

For me, it was a very emotional, really great

29:52

thing. This time, he invited me to go to the

30:00

penitentiary in Virginia, which I had gone with

30:04

them before, and then also in San Antonio, Texas.

30:10

That's awesome. Yeah. So and I also last year,

30:16

you know, thanks to Dave Giuliano, the White

30:19

Hill Mansion in New Jersey, I went to that and

30:24

I got to meet Katrina and Heather after a long

30:27

time. And that was very emotional for me. I was

30:30

just going to ask. Yeah, I was just going to ask if you've seen the rest of the cast. That's

30:34

great. Yeah. I keep in touch with Sergi and his

30:40

wife. We're friends on Facebook. The others I

30:44

have not, you know, I have not been in contact

30:47

with. Wow, that is amazing. I love what Katrina

30:52

has done with the field as well. Katrina has

30:54

really done very well as a female paranormal

30:57

researcher. She is, like, really excelling, and

31:00

I love it. I love seeing what she's doing. She's

31:03

coming to her own. Yeah, she has. And everything

31:06

she puts out, I love watching. Absolutely. Yep.

31:12

So, but yeah, I tell you, it's, it's, it's an

31:15

amazing, it's an amazing field. You know, there's

31:18

a lot of unfortunate, you know, downtimes with

31:21

people faking evidence nowadays and not taking,

31:24

obviously it's serious and provoking and doing

31:26

very dangerous things for viewers and followers

31:31

and stuff like that nowadays or for the YouTube.

31:34

But the whole point of, you know, bringing you

31:37

on, one of the reasons was to really express

31:39

to people. the seriousness behind what they're

31:42

doing, you know, this field. And that is not

31:45

a joke, you know? No. Seances and, you know,

31:51

using different tools that they don't know how

31:53

to properly use is going to cause more problems.

31:57

And it's going to be doors that they can't close

31:59

on their own. Meeting to people like yourself

32:02

and father Torres happened to get involved. What

32:09

was that? Oh, I said it's going to lead to them

32:12

opening all these doorways that they don't have.

32:15

Oh, yeah, yes. Yes, absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. And

32:20

that's the thing, you know, because there's so

32:23

much misinformation on TV shows that show things,

32:29

people, that's where they're taking their truth from. You know, that's what they're taking their

32:33

example from. And, you know, and without a healthy.

32:40

I don't fear evil. I don't fear haunted objects.

32:46

But I have a healthy respect in that I don't

32:50

go looking for things. And I know how to approach

32:54

it if I have to. And I don't think a lot of these

32:58

people do. They're looking, unfortunately, for

33:03

the thrill of it. And I understand that. I totally

33:07

get it when I was younger. I mean, who doesn't

33:09

want to hear? go into a haunted place and get

33:12

activity. You know, it's a temptation. But it

33:16

also can be dangerous. You know, there are things

33:20

called you can get an attachment and bring it

33:23

home. Well, that's happened. Now, I wanted to

33:28

ask you with the work that you do and obviously

33:31

your faith. Now, have you ever brought an attachment

33:33

home? I have not. No, not that I know of. Okay,

33:41

great. That's great. Yeah, but my assistant did.

33:46

We did it. As a matter of fact, it's one of the

33:50

scariest cases. Actually, they covered it on

33:54

The Haunted, believe it or not. You can get it

33:58

on YouTube. It's called Demonic Seduction. It's

34:04

on The Haunted. And we did a case in the convenience

34:09

store, and it was a pretty intense case. One

34:13

of our guys, tech guys, got bit in the forearm

34:18

like a snake bite. And then, you know, it was

34:24

successful. But unfortunately, one of the demons

34:29

traveled home with my assistant and began to

34:34

wreak havoc at his home. so we had to do a deliverance

34:38

over him uh and the home oh wow but you can see

34:44

that you can see that if you go onto the youtube

34:47

and look under the haunted uh you know it's called

34:52

demonic seduction oh yeah we're watching that

34:56

tonight for sure yeah I mean, I'm sorry that

35:00

that happened. That's very intense. I mean, I

35:03

can't even imagine what that's like, you know,

35:05

to have one of the demons come home. But my question

35:08

about it is, how did you know it was one of the

35:12

demons? Did it, like, have the same similar,

35:15

like, signs as what you guys were dealing with

35:19

before? No, only the timing of it. Oh, okay.

35:24

You know, that it... It was right after we were

35:28

coming home, and there would be no other reason

35:30

for that to happen. Yeah, absolutely. I didn't

35:37

know. And the evidence that was caught was compelling,

35:40

even at the home. We had another guy, a tech

35:43

guy, scratched in the back. Oh, wow. And they

35:48

showed that. A candlestick moving in the middle

35:52

of the night on its own. We got that caught on

35:54

camera. um we got a banshee you know one of those

35:59

screaming demons um you can hear it and nobody

36:07

else heard it in the neighborhood oh my god so

36:12

that is wow i i would love to see that footage

36:17

of the candle and stuff oh my gosh It's on there.

36:21

Oh, is it? Oh, I cannot wait to see it. Oh, the

36:24

screaming, the candle, the scratches, all of

36:27

that. Oh, I can't wait to see it. Yeah, because

36:33

as a team, you know, we filmed that footage because,

36:38

you know, we always do those kind of things so

36:41

that I can refer to them and learn from them. So we gave that to The Haunted and, you know,

36:46

so they incorporated it into the thing. So it

36:49

was... you know more than just a recreation it

36:53

was actual they showed actual footage oh i can't

36:59

wait that's going to be amazing for like the

37:02

actual footage yes yeah yeah now tell me what

37:09

do you have coming up in the future do you have

37:11

anything coming up in the near future Yeah, I've

37:16

got a few more podcasts, which I find fun. I

37:19

enjoy it because I think it's a great educational

37:22

tool. I enjoy doing that. At the end of April,

37:28

I'll be going to St. Albans Sanatorium, giving

37:33

a workshop there. That's in, I think, Virginia

37:41

or West Virginia. st albans and then in may i'm

37:47

going on a road trip and that will be going to

37:50

eastern state penitentiary we're also going to

37:52

what is it western state eastern state i forget

37:56

eastern state i guess and then i'm going to uh

37:59

go to new orleans and then um oh that's gonna

38:04

be san antonio texas yeah oh that's gonna be

38:09

amazing Now, Tommy, can people come to the workshop

38:12

on the first one you were telling us about, the

38:16

one that's first coming up? Yeah, is there a

38:20

possibility for people to still get tickets for that? I would think so. They just have to call

38:25

St. Albans. And it's the weekend of the 25th

38:31

to the 27th or whatever the Friday, Saturday,

38:34

Sunday is in April. Yeah, I'm sure they could

38:39

still get tickets. Okay, great. Can you explain

38:42

a little bit about your workshop? Oh, what I

38:47

do, you mean? Yeah. Yeah, well, generally...

38:54

Without playing too much. No, depending on the

39:01

need. There are times when... People ask for

39:06

prayer like as simple as there was a lady who

39:10

was having being attacked in her dreams. So,

39:14

you know, I, you know, she lived maybe three

39:19

minutes, half hour away from me. So she came

39:21

over and I was able to pray over her and do deliverance

39:26

and, you know, pray for protection over her from.

39:33

attacks on the dreams and thanks be to god to

39:36

this day she still you know she had said me and

39:41

told me that she things are really doing well

39:43

um i just did a uh a house that was uh infested

39:53

and it was attacking a couple of people in the

39:55

house so i did a uh a deliverance actually pop

40:00

that will be on Expedition X, I don't know when,

40:04

but probably in the fall. They asked, well, they

40:10

wanted to, it's a funny thing, they wanted to

40:14

interview me, just to interview me because they

40:18

had heard about me. So I said, sure, on Deliverance.

40:22

So they said, we're working on a home in Rhode

40:25

Island. So I said, okay. So I said, by the way,

40:27

this is a small state. Could you tell me what town, you know, just what town it is? He said,

40:32

yeah, well, actually, it's right next to the Conjuring house. I went, oh, my God, Pat's house.

40:37

He said, yeah, why? I said, he's a friend of

40:39

mine. I said, I've been over there. I said, I've

40:43

been over that house to investigate. Yeah, there's

40:46

something there. I said that I promised him I

40:49

would go and do a deliverance. So they asked

40:51

if they could film part of it. And I said, yeah, fine. I said, if it'll be, you know, a good witness

40:56

of. what to do. So they did. And I'm assuming,

41:03

I'm assuming that when the, that movie, the final

41:08

movie of the conjuring comes out, that it would

41:11

probably, they'll probably air it around them

41:14

because it, there is a connection between the

41:17

conjuring house and that house. So. Now I wanted

41:22

to ask what Tammy was asking before. um she uh

41:26

we kind of got off track uh she asked before

41:29

um your workshops what are um can you tell us

41:33

a little bit about what your workshops are about

41:35

and what they kind of like are what they wait

41:38

there for yeah it depending on the talks i mean

41:43

they may just be giving i might just be giving

41:45

talks on demonology uh spiritual battle what

41:51

to do and all of that. A workshop would be, and

41:54

I did that at St. Albans many years ago with

41:56

my former partner there, and we would just talk

42:01

about what we do, what we do to prepare in the

42:05

days of prayer, what we do when we get to the

42:09

home. We set up a little altar. We do prayers

42:11

of protection, and then the main prayers that

42:15

we do. Going into each room with holy incense

42:21

and holy water, doing the parameters around the

42:25

house, burying four blessed metals on the four

42:30

corners of the property, and then putting salt

42:33

around there to create a hedge after the deliverance.

42:36

And then how to address, how to prepare, and

42:42

then how to do the prayers and warnings about.

42:49

don't start doing it in your own name if it's

42:52

a demon. So it's like a hands -on workshop that

42:56

I haven't done yet. I'm hoping to be able to

43:00

do that in some places now that we're established

43:02

again. I'm not sure if St. Albans is one, but

43:06

I'll also be actually be doing it with a shaman.

43:12

He'll be coming with me. So we'll be talking

43:15

about different traditions. You mentioned burying

43:25

the metals in the four corners of the house.

43:28

I've heard of other items being buried as well

43:31

or used in different practices, different faiths,

43:34

different beliefs. yep yeah i i usually do the

43:39

uh the metal of simbenedic because it's an exercise

43:42

metal but it can be any kind of blessed metal

43:44

that we do and and what it kind of does it what

43:48

it does is create a a um like a hedge of protection

43:53

you know uh and it's funny that when one of the

43:58

houses that i that i did That house I just talked

44:01

about, I had him go out and bury the four medals,

44:05

and he could hear something in the woods behind

44:07

him. And I said, what did you go alone for? Because

44:11

it spooked him, but he did it. But, you know,

44:15

since then, since then, there's been no activity.

44:18

So thank God for that. Yeah, that's great. I

44:23

mean, there are different things. I also have

44:27

a devotion to the souls in our Catholic faith.

44:32

We believe that there are purgatorial souls and

44:35

also that there are some earthbound souls. So

44:39

a lot of times, without doing every Mass that

44:42

I celebrate, is ask St. Michael and the other

44:47

saints to bring me souls that are ready to go

44:51

into the light. by the prayers of the Mass, would

44:57

be enough to bring them. And then after communion,

45:00

I just close my eyes, I picture the light, and

45:02

I just ask St. Michael with his fiery sword to

45:06

go in and then to the St. Nicholas to bring them,

45:11

to escort them, and to go into the light. And

45:17

so far... That's amazing. Yeah. And going to

45:22

cemeteries. I do the same thing in the cemetery. I go to historical cemeteries when I can. Yeah.

45:28

No, yeah. It's crazy that you said that because

45:31

when I was taught to actually do it, I was working

45:34

with a medium for a while. She was amazing. Her

45:36

accuracy was unfathomable. I've never seen someone

45:40

with such a gift before. And she never did it

45:44

for money. She always just did it to help people.

45:47

And she never wanted to, like, work in the without

45:53

like working with the light she wanted to always

45:56

work like obviously with the light she never wanted to go into the realm of what we would

46:00

call purgatory um that area where the souls need

46:04

help so when she met me she was like i'm willing

46:07

to try it to try and help these souls to help

46:09

you do your work And when we worked together,

46:12

I had the same experience that you were just

46:15

talking about. And the same thing happened. And

46:17

it was just it was it was amazing. It really

46:19

was to watch them cross over and now have the

46:23

ability to be able to help them. You know, it's

46:25

such a good feeling because I've had them come

46:27

back and actually say thank you in other sessions.

46:30

So it's amazing. And that's what I look forward

46:34

to. They're going to be there. When our life

46:37

is ended, you know, and it's time for us to go.

46:43

But, yeah, and even the souls, they can help

46:48

us. They just can't help themselves. So, you

46:51

know, they help us. We help them. It's a beautiful

46:55

doctrine that we have in the Catholic faith called

46:58

the communion of saints, the saints in heaven.

47:01

the saints that are on their way, you know, purgatorial

47:05

souls and those of us here still on earth. So

47:08

there's, there's a networking between us, a beautiful

47:11

networking. Amen to that. Amen for that. Well,

47:17

no, I just think it's beautiful. I think it just

47:19

brings me to thinking about like some of the

47:21

locations that I've actually investigated at

47:24

and how they, they have like contracts where

47:27

they don't want you to like, cross before it's

47:30

over and that always bothered me because it it

47:33

feels like they're using them as like a you know

47:37

a circus act and it's sad i agree wholeheartedly

47:42

that's because you have part for for the real

47:46

you know for the souls themselves uh yeah i i

47:51

just i i really i'm conflicted with that because

47:54

of that fact and um You know, I want to pray

47:59

for the souls no matter where I go. I'm sorry. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Me too. Absolutely. Absolutely.

48:05

And I had that happen at Montana State Prison.

48:07

They told us that we couldn't do that. And I told the lady at the end, I said, well, let me

48:11

ask you a question. I said, if that was your grandmother or your, say, son who was trapped

48:16

in that building, wouldn't you want to let him

48:19

free or let her free? Would you allow her to

48:22

be stuck here forever if you had the choice?

48:24

And then she looked at me and she was like, well,

48:27

you know, we are a business. And I'm like, it

48:29

doesn't matter. I said, it's not like these spirits are not going to come back to a location. It's

48:34

just obviously set them free. You know what I

48:36

mean? Like, come on. That's the problem. It becomes

48:40

a business. That's where it's kind of all going

48:45

wrong. I mean, every time you turn around, there

48:48

are haunted locations. And, yeah, because it's

48:52

a reality. I don't know to capitalize on that.

48:56

It's just, it's, it's tough. It is. It's a tough

48:59

one. You know, it's hard because I can't do it.

49:03

I've been asked like, why don't I try to make

49:05

money off of this and all that type of stuff. And you know, it bothers me and I don't want

49:10

to make money off it. And the reason being is because I have so much respect for this field

49:15

because of the souls and because of the people

49:17

that have lost people. It's like, I feel like

49:20

I'm doing myself a disservice by asking somebody,

49:24

There are people that are out there doing $225

49:28

for a paranormal one -on -one or 101 hot -up

49:32

paranormal. It's like, are you serious right

49:34

now? You're going to take $225 from a person

49:37

to do that? Like, that's just such low integrity

49:40

in my eyes. You know what I mean? And that's

49:44

the thing, too. I mean, we believe that, you

49:48

know, sometimes when I go to a house, It won't

49:52

be an earthbound or necessarily a purgatorial

49:55

spirit, but a spirit that's already crossed over

49:58

and with God. Now, don't forget, when you die,

50:01

you don't have a body, so you're not subject

50:04

to time and space anymore. If the angels, if

50:07

your guardian angel, which we believe is before

50:10

the throne of God always, but also by our side,

50:13

they can bilocate. So, you know, there's no time

50:18

or space. Some of these spirits are like guardian

50:22

spirits, their loved ones or whatever. And we

50:24

believe, and that's a beautiful thing about the community of saints too, is that, you know, they're

50:29

around us, you know, watching over us. How many

50:32

times will a loved one die so we sense them,

50:36

you know, around us? So we don't have to worry

50:41

about that, you know. Like a lot of these castles

50:46

in England and in Scotland or whatever, You know,

50:50

they have these hauntings, haunted castles, but

50:52

those are residual hauntings, mostly. You know,

50:56

they're there whether you see them or not. They're

50:59

like a projector going. That's a whole different

51:01

story than someone who's trapped. Yes. Yes, absolutely.

51:06

I agree. I totally agree. Completely, 100%. Yeah.

51:13

Somebody, do you want to ask them the moral question?

51:17

I had a question a second ago and then it disappeared

51:19

and we started talking. Yeah. If it comes back.

51:34

So my question is, Father, is what piece of advice

51:39

would you give to a person just starting out

51:42

in this field? If you had to give one piece of

51:44

advice, what would it be? Be prepared. Always

51:51

be prepared what you're doing. And treat it,

51:55

you know, if you go into this, you have to have

52:00

some degree of faith. Whatever your faith is,

52:04

make sure you're grounded when you're going to

52:07

do this work and prepared before you go into

52:10

these things. And because you don't know what

52:14

you're walking into. And be client -oriented.

52:20

That's all, you know. Be it for the help of people,

52:24

not for your own glory to feel experiences. Amen.

52:30

Amen to that. I totally agree with that. Amen.

52:35

Yeah. Oh, so what I was going to mention was,

52:37

like, I noticed there's a lot of people who are,

52:40

like, what you would call, like, more like ghost

52:42

hunters now. you know they're going into a location

52:46

and they're some of them are doing home cases

52:49

which is really scary to me and they can go and

52:53

stir things up and leave because they don't know

52:56

how to handle the situation whereas you know

53:00

they're not doing any like you know background

53:02

work before going in you know the actual research

53:05

part you know asking the right questions following

53:09

a protocol. There needs to be more education

53:12

on following a protocol when you're going to

53:15

handle a home case. Yes. I think you guys...

53:23

Oh, okay. Are you guys still frozen? I am, but

53:33

you guys froze a little bit. Are you? Oh, sorry

53:36

about that. That might be our connection. Apologies. Okay. Well, StreamYard, I know. I've been on

53:40

a few different ones, and this happens. It's

53:43

not uncommon. But, yeah, I agree. With home cases,

53:48

yeah, you've got to do your protocols. You've

53:52

got to do – we have with Father Ken, you know,

53:56

he's got this whole long protocol before we do

53:58

a case, and it's very comprehensive, and it may

54:01

seem like it's a – you know, cumbersome, but

54:06

we've got to create, we've got to understand,

54:09

you know, what the case is that we're going so

54:11

we can best help the people. You know, and I

54:15

understand the natural curiosity. I really do.

54:17

I get it. We all have that. But if you follow

54:23

the protocols and you get activity, all the better

54:26

for you, I guess. You experience it. It helps

54:29

to solidify your belief in the afterlife. That

54:33

can't be the reason why you're going in. And

54:36

again, yeah, you're right. It's not for the thrill

54:40

of the activity and the experiences, especially

54:47

when you're client -oriented. And yeah, how many

54:50

times does that happen? How many times these guys are going in with Ouija boards and brought

54:54

things in, open doors, then we have to go in.

54:58

But it's not as easy to find the portals. you

55:02

know, to close them. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely.

55:08

Absolutely. Yeah. No, I just have my house where

55:15

I still look and try to find, finding out, try

55:18

to where the portal is, you know, or, or where

55:22

the other one is, you know, once you close one,

55:26

you may not be closing all. No. Father, how would

55:31

you close a portal? Basically, what I do is I

55:35

just command. I use a prayer command, and I ask

55:40

the blood of Jesus to cover it. And then what

55:43

I do is I'll sprinkle holy salt or holy water,

55:46

whatever I have, and place a blessed metal in

55:50

the place, whether it be the room or a windowsill,

55:56

whatever the area of where. you know, in the

55:59

vicinity of where it is. It's all intent. So

56:03

my intent is that it's sealed. And I ask the

56:06

angels to guard so that nothing can go through

56:12

anymore. Yeah. No, that is absolutely amazing.

56:16

Thank you for telling me that. That's some great knowledge. Appreciate that. But Father, I want

56:23

to say thank you so much for your time. We truly

56:25

appreciate you coming on, spreading some knowledge.

56:27

I wanted to ask if you were available to come

56:30

on again sometime because there's so much more

56:32

I want to pick your brain about. So I would love

56:34

to have you on. Yeah. Keep in touch. Absolutely.

56:39

Definitely. We definitely will. So thank you

56:41

so much for your time today. And we really do

56:43

appreciate you a lot. Keep up with the great

56:46

work. Thank you. Thank you. God bless all of

56:49

you. God bless you. Bye -bye. Bye. Wow, babe.

56:59

So I tell you what, this was an amazing episode.

57:02

And the reason being is, you know, I didn't know

57:06

exactly what route I was going to take for question

57:09

wise or what way I was going to go with things

57:11

at first. But I tell you what, the knowledge

57:14

that Father Bob had was just right on point of

57:18

what I was going to ask. Oh, absolutely. I mean,

57:21

his experience, like his vast experience that

57:25

he's been doing this for quite a while. I mean,

57:28

I look forward to, I'm actually interested in

57:32

his workshops. Oh, yeah. Very interested. Yeah.

57:36

I'd love to attend sometime. Yeah, I would too.

57:40

I was just, it's funny that you said that because I was thinking that when we were on the show

57:44

and he said it and I was asking, I was thinking like, well, where was that, you know, workshop

57:47

at? Right. That's great. I hope everyone enjoyed

57:52

this show. We had a great time with Father Bob.

57:57

If you ever need anything, reach out to him.

58:00

Father Bob Bailey. You can find him on Facebook.

58:04

You can probably find him on all social medias.

58:06

Definitely check out his page. Become friends

58:09

with him. He does amazing things. I know it.

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because of the people on network that he works

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with are just amazing group of people absolutely

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and we're definitely checking out that episode

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of 100 tonight oh 110 we're about to go check

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it out right now all right guys thank you so

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much for watching another episode of talking with the source and also thank you to everyone

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listening at home on podcast listening platforms

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like Spotify, Google Podcasts, Apple Podcasts,

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and all of those great ones. So thank you guys

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so much for your support, like I said, and we

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truly appreciate you. Again, I'm AJ, this is

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Tammy, and we are signing off. Later. Now, this

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is the area where apparently you can hear the

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whistling of Art or Arthur, the man that died

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of a heart attack, constructing this part of

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the lift locks. Yeah, that's where we actually

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went right down there. It's just trees. The biggest

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animal we're going to get in here is a badger

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or a deer. But if it was a deer, we'd be seeing