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Parsius Rey Mosha Abeno continues his goodbye monolog, not sure

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if it was in rhyme as I've been doing in this very synagogue. Mosha Abeno, who in by Midbar used

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the imagery of a sick am Israel and he was

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their nurse WARN's been a sorell of the consequences of

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their actions, which will lead to either blessing or curse.

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the country that would elude him. Eretisreel is particularly allergic

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to any form of idolatry, and the land is to

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be sanctified with certain kuki minish.

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Cutchem, the offerings brought on an altar due to gratitude, guilt,

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turre describes how non sacrificial meat can be consumed, whether

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to glotmart Mikes, bistro and holy Schnitzel. The Torah very

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strongly condemns the consumption of blood. The Toreh commands that

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we are to spill it onto the ground, which means

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we rinse the flesh salted or broil it over fire,

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whether foul or an animal that showed its cut. When

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Amrauel entered the promised land there to stay away from

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the practices of the natives who worship the skies and

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the tree and the rock. Succumbing to such peer pressure

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would be an abomination.

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In a shem, it would mock.

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The Tore presents three individuals who must be avoided, the

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false prophet, the seducer towards idolatry, and the city in

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Israel where a majority of its inhabitants worship idols, the

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Irani Dahas. These prohibitions are very severe on the individual, or,

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if worse, if committed on mass. The Kosher laws are

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now repeated. The laws permitting the consumption of insects, fish, fowl,

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and flesh are now heard. Chewing cuds, split hoofs and

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for the meat, scales and fins for the fish, and

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a strong masoa pertaining to the bird. The Tore mandates

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that we are generous and charitable with our wealth. We

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have several categories of charity. Aiding others in need is

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a most fundamental principle and will certainly be good for

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our physical and spiritual health. Myersheni are. Money is brought

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to Rushalayim and spent there, so our ruhnius can thrive.

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These tithes are given in years one, two, four, and five.

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In years three and six, the miser tithe is given

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to those who are poor. We are always to be

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sensitive to the indigen especially if they come knocking on

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our door. The Tora requires us to forgive loans we

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made to poor people. Come the seventh year today, when

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the laws of Schmita are rabbinic in nature, Hillel directs

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us to sign a prisible which make sure we will

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not hesitate to give interest free loans to each poverty

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stricken peer. Although Lincoln freed the slaves, and the institution

8:17

no longer exists when it did. When the slaves finish

8:20

their indentured time, they would depart with material need and

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lavish gifts. Mosha then describes the special sanctity of the

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first born among the animals and the beast. They are special,

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can't be worked too hard, and it must be brought

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to the altar by a cohen a priest. The Tore

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that famously describes the rituals associated with the three pilgrimage festivals.

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The showers regull him. The Tore describes pay second Chivuis

8:46

and reminds us again to assure that we take care

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of the Jewish poor.

8:49

The aneem.

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Finally, the torreh reminds us about Tsukis, the festival of

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booths under the stars. We are to be joyous and

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to make sure that Jews who may not be as happy,

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cele rate as well, looking for inner and spiritual pleasure,

9:03

not material delight such as gifts or fancy cars. The

9:07

Aftara for has y Shaia talking about Messianic times. Wealth

9:11

will be spiritual and bliss will be approaching God as

9:14

each Jew ascends towards God, step by step as he climbs.

9:18

And we're back. I heard his name for so many years.

9:21

Peter Himmelman. He's such a creative genius. Never had the

9:24

opportunity the privilege of interviewing until this broadcast. Now so

9:28

very pleased that Peter Himmelman joins us. He's a Grammy,

9:31

Emmy Award nominated rock and roll performers, songwrise of film composer,

9:35

Visual Artists Award winning author. He has been profiled in

9:38

the Rolling Stone Wall Street Journal, Time Magazine. He's an

9:41

Orthodox Jew, He's so proud of that. And he also

9:45

has worked with many different universities and foundation including including

9:48

Foundation for Justice, University of Pennsylvania, etc. Peter, welcome to

9:51

the program. Thank you for joining us.

9:53

Thank you, Zella bit a fan as I said off

9:56

camera for many years, it's great.

9:58

To be here.

9:59

Thank you. What's your Hebrew name? By the way, Mordecai?

10:03

How come you don't go on the road pass of Mordechai?

10:06

You know, I'm telling you.

10:07

I never gave it serious thought until recently.

10:11

It's a beautiful name, Passi mortale it is.

10:14

I love the name.

10:15

And when people call me Pisu Mordecai, there's a select.

10:17

Few that do.

10:21

It touches me in a in a deeper place than

10:25

Peter Himmel, you know, my normal name.

10:28

It's like a very intimate kind of call out to me.

10:32

Now you're in your book is called Suspended by No Strings,

10:35

a songwriter's reflection on faith, aliveness and wonder. You know

10:39

you're right about it in your book? Why isn't God

10:41

on the cover?

10:44

Uh?

10:44

Because there were many renderings of God, but they didn't

10:49

look right for me.

10:51

Some of them had him hanging on a wooden thing.

10:54

At some point I didn't think it was right for me.

10:57

It didn't cross your mind, didn't cross it but you

11:00

felt that God would be controversial in today's day and

11:02

age se him on the cover.

11:04

You're talking about the word God the work.

11:06

In other words, your book is God spirituality, about faith.

11:10

But yeah, I didn't think it would be controversial. The

11:15

book isn't designed to do anything. I had written a

11:20

book about creativity in twenty seventeen, which.

11:24

Had a purpose.

11:25

It was about how to take an idea, Nason idea

11:27

and make it manifest.

11:29

This book does not have a purpose.

11:32

You'd ask, well, what's the purpose of one of your songs?

11:36

It's hard to say. It hopefully abuse a certain feeling.

11:40

But I wanted to make sure that the word God.

11:44

And this is I've heard from my friend sim and Jacobson,

11:47

whom I know. He says, Look, in one of my classes,

11:53

somebody finally asked me after a year, are you talking

11:56

about God here?

11:58

He used all sorts of youths.

12:00

I forget what they were, because yes I am, but

12:03

don't tell the others. In other words, there's a caveat

12:06

at the beginning of the book, very at the very beginning.

12:10

Why in a book.

12:11

About faith and that I had to discern whether to

12:16

use the word God, because for so many people. It's

12:19

kind of a loaded term. It's not a holy word,

12:22

it's an English word. So I do wind up, of

12:27

course in the end, using God.

12:28

All through the book. But I had to have a

12:30

setup for people.

12:33

In my mill u.

12:34

For example, I grew up conservative in Minnesota, which meant

12:38

we had my mom would occasionally light shabas candles.

12:42

We were very Jewishly identified.

12:46

But if I had started talking.

12:48

About God at any point as a young man or

12:52

a child, I'm I'm pretty sure my mom, in trying

12:58

to be helpful, would have taken me to a psychologist.

13:02

It just wasn't part of what we knew. What we

13:06

had implicitly imbibed, was that the world was based on

13:12

random forces, the Big Bank.

13:16

God. It wasn't for us.

13:19

So even though the lishapascandals, I assume you went synagogue

13:23

Russia Shana yam kipper, I.

13:25

Went to Hebrew school. I learned how to speak Hebrew.

13:28

I went to Israel when I was eight years old.

13:31

That was literally one year after the Six Day War.

13:36

I write about that a little bit in the book.

13:39

I guess my return to observant Judaism wasn't about something novel.

13:46

It was about returning to something that I.

13:49

Always understood or intuited, that there's a creative force, however

13:53

you wanted to find it with a capital F. That is, literally,

13:57

the essence of creativity is creating everything, according to Hasidis,

14:01

at every moment, recreating everything.

14:04

So let me get personal. Your rock and roll and

14:07

rock and performer, writer, songwriter not really known for being

14:11

a place for religion. So how did you connect to Judaism?

14:16

I have to take some issue with what you're saying before.

14:19

Yeah, I mean, I'm.

14:21

Always let me put that orthodox Judaism.

14:24

Well, I mean, I understand the tropes about rock and

14:27

roll and the hedonism and all this stuff, but that

14:31

probably goes on it just as much.

14:34

With real estate brokers. You know, at these conventions.

14:38

What I have found about musicians of all sorts, rock musicians,

14:43

jazz musicians, and I play with musicians from all over

14:46

the country, all over the world, different faith, different hues,

14:51

different points of view. The idea of there being a

14:55

creative force again, if you want to use another buphemism

14:59

for God, odd is second nature to most most musicians.

15:04

They understand from whence their abilities arrive. The best musicians

15:11

are very soulful, spiritual people. I see a guy that

15:16

sits down on a drum set, for example, the way

15:19

that he touches his sticks, I already know how he's

15:23

going to play, how well he's going to play or

15:28

not well.

15:29

But the ones that are really expert have this.

15:33

Duality about them, which is one this kind of hubristic

15:38

elitist like.

15:39

Man, you know, I understands, you know.

15:42

And the other side is a humility of understanding that

15:48

their ability to move people to work with this non

15:53

temporal force which is music, it's it's essentially spiritual. They

15:58

understand that it derives from a higher source than they

16:02

themselves can conjured.

16:04

So let me pace up, Mornechai, So let me ask you this what made you this side? You were a conservative, Yeah,

16:10

your parents didn't really even though you went to Israel.

16:13

You had a strong Jewish identity, but you weren't observing

16:16

what happened thirty some years ago that you said, I

16:20

want to be orthodox. I'm going to keep kosher, even

16:23

though it's not easy being on the road traveling finding

16:25

kosher food in the community.

16:28

It's pretty I mean, it's a simple.

16:30

Answer, so it's not going to be too abstract and

16:32

sim and Jacobson. What I've mentioned already three times had

16:36

so much to do with it. The first stage was

16:40

when I was to day after I turned twenty four,

16:43

my dad, who was.

16:45

A heroic figure to me, died of lymphoma. He was

16:49

fifty four. I was twenty four the next day.

16:53

So I was always already in a very propitious place

16:57

to think about things.

16:59

Where does the spear it go?

17:00

And I was always that kind of thinker, even amongst

17:04

my hedonistic activities. So a year after he died, I

17:09

moved with my rock band out to New York. I

17:12

got a record deal on Island Records. All of a sudden,

17:14

I had all this money. I was in the Rolling Stone.

17:17

I was everything that I ever dreamed of. But I

17:21

couldn't stop thinking about my dad and things of higher

17:25

values and purposes.

17:27

So I don't know if you've ever heard of Kenny Vance.

17:30

Sure, so he is.

17:32

He is?

17:33

He blacks No Kenny Vance with MTV. I'm trying to remember.

17:40

I remember, No, you've heard his name before because he

17:44

was an original singer in Jay and the Americans, and

17:48

he was the one who was producing some demos with me.

17:53

He was old at the time.

17:55

Was he actually produced the show. Is he Lifshitz if

17:57

you yeah, yeah, he did. He was Friday Night Live

18:01

or Saturday Night something like.

18:03

Well, he was the music director for Saturday Night Live,

18:08

one of the original music you know, producers for that show.

18:12

He was in Woody Allen Movies. He used to date

18:15

Diane Keaton, which he told me about. He says, like this,

18:19

he was he was sent to the Ritz where we

18:22

were playing. An attorney sent him down there to give

18:26

us feedback on our show. And he came back into

18:29

the dressing room and he's like he's tall and sort

18:33

of you know, ectomorphic like I am, and kind of gangly.

18:37

He's handsome. And he came and he's this old guy.

18:40

He was forty years old, you know, we were twenty five.

18:44

And he goes, I don't really.

18:47

Know what to tell you about what I just saw.

18:50

I'm like, here's what you have to say.

18:53

But I instantly liked him and we became friendly and

18:57

he said, look, he mentioned Diane Keaton. He goes, but tonight,

19:01

I'm going to take you to my main connection, a

19:05

religious Jew in Brooklyn. Thinking that I would be averse

19:09

to doing something like that, but I was like Jewish,

19:13

my dad had just died.

19:14

I'm totally in So we crossed the Brooklyn Bridge.

19:18

He drives me in his car and we get to

19:21

Simmons Helves and this was this was thirty eight years

19:25

ago or something. Simmons beard was black and I greet

19:30

him at the door, and I already like Simmon, just

19:32

like I already like you. You know, it's sort of like you had this instant either attraction or you're repelled.

19:39

I was attracted to Simon. He hopped, he got it,

19:43

and I love that. Also, what was stunning to me

19:47

was his wife, Shandy was and still is so beautiful,

19:53

and like, what's the deal with this heresuit guy? Not

19:57

exactly spending time at the gym? Did he land this

20:01

type of woman? This is where my mind was at,

20:04

And little did I know that scholarship had a lot

20:08

to do with it, you know, the eugenics program of

20:11

the jew which they can accuse us of. But we

20:15

got to talking, and Simon likes to talk. We both

20:19

are very languorous, and it got too late for Penny.

20:23

He was tired, he was old. He went back to far rockaway. So Simon and I are talking and this

20:27

is the seminal moment where I'd like, I'm in okay,

20:31

this is coming. He starts talking to me about I

20:35

don't know. I asked him, what are these pictures at the Rebbie on the wall. They looked a little cultish

20:40

to me, I said, and Simon was He just was

20:45

going with it. He wasn't defensive in the least. He goes,

20:47

look to me, he's like inspiring grandfather. Yeah, I get inspiration.

20:53

I'm like, makes sense. So then we get deep into it.

20:56

It's like now one and two in the morning. One

21:00

of those conversations. I remember my dad had just died,

21:04

so I was in a mood. My life was in flux.

21:08

I got this giant record deal. He goes, look atsodig

21:13

couldn't do anything. It's sodig. Now I didn't quite understand

21:18

exactly the hasidic nature of what a axodig was. But

21:22

I'm thinking he's not talking about you know, you know

21:25

Bert Boumel, who can get you a deal on a car?

21:29

What a sodig?

21:30

He was talking about something higher. I understood that much.

21:34

The rube that I am.

21:36

He goes, look, asodig can do anything, And I'm looking

21:40

at the Rebbie and I put probably thinks the Rebbi

21:42

is exodig, But I said to him, oh yeah, anything

21:46

can they fly?

21:47

And without him like he.

21:50

Just says to me because he was in a serious mode,

21:52

and this is the sentence that put me over the

21:54

edge and probably won't do anything for anyone else.

21:57

It was only for me.

22:00

Look with Sadig, what's the difference of the flying thirty

22:05

forty fifty feet above the surface of the ground or

22:07

walking on the surface. What's the difference? And that to

22:12

me harken back to everything I felt about life and reality.

22:20

What is the difference?

22:21

How can you say that talking to Zev Brenner right

22:24

now is a mundane experience, or drinking tea or anything.

22:31

I said?

22:31

Is that what Judaism is about finding the miraculous nature

22:37

of existence and being astute and aware of it.

22:41

Basically, that's it. I went out and got a talless cotton.

22:44

The next day, I had a beautiful girlfriend who was

22:49

not Jewish, who was a dancer and a model, and

22:52

somebody that was really close to and that was the

22:57

end of all my romantic relationships.

23:00

There right after that night you just said, I.

23:02

Mean seriously, that was like it gave me permission because

23:08

it connected not with something that was.

23:11

External to me, but was internal to me. It was

23:16

something that spoke to something essential about me and all

23:20

the concubines everything. I sort of said to myself, to

23:24

no one else. The next woman I'm with, I'm I'm

23:28

going to be married to. That's a huge step.

23:33

And did that happen?

23:35

Yeah?

23:36

Our guest is actually his real name is Paso Mordeca,

23:39

even though he was his named Peter Himmelman. He's a legend.

23:43

He's a Grammy and Emmy Award nomine rock and roll performers, songwriter,

23:47

film composer of visual artist, award winning author. He's been

23:50

profiled of major publications. He's the son in law of

23:53

the famous Bob Dylan, but he's a man in his

23:55

own right and his fascinating new book is called Suspended

23:59

by No String, a songwriter's reflections on faithful liveness and wonder.

24:08

Rebik Kaimpress and Bet Schiffer have been promoting Jewish identity

24:11

for over fifty years, and now they need your help

24:14

to feed the poor and fight missionary activity in Brooklyn

24:18

Rebe America. Hana has written that there are synagogues and

24:20

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24:23

to do accept the little June named High Impressman. With

24:26

no funding from the government or any group, High Impressman

24:29

manages through sacrifice in God's help to give to the

24:32

poor Jews. Rebe Mendi Moroznik and the Rabbinical Alliance of

24:36

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People always one wonder is he religious? Not religious? Right?

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Doesn't that the kwandary? Don't you get that question all

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Well, you know that I've gotten this question for years, decades,

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28:41

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28:45

Do you ever perform together?

28:47

Only once?

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On a Kabbad telethon years and years ago?

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Are the one in California?

28:52

Mm hmm.

28:54

By the way, do you ever get together thing shaba is mirrors together?

28:58

It hasn't happened yet.

29:00

Well, I pray that it does. That'd be a very

29:02

interesting experience. So, you know, because he's a legendary, but

29:07

you're legendary too in your own right.

29:10

So did his legendary in your own mind?

29:14

No?

29:14

No, no, listen, you're you're out there, you're and you

29:17

make a Kiddish er cheman sactification in Guard's name. I

29:19

are so profiles of you when you're on the road

29:21

and you insist on keeping kosher is not always easy

29:24

finding kosher. For today, it's better than it was thirty

29:27

years ago, for sure. Yeah, what's beening? Ther biggest challenge

29:29

being Orthodox and being in the rock and roll world.

29:32

The fact that I have to really think about it

29:34

is a good sign. Somebody asked me recently, you know, so,

29:39

how did that affect your career not playing.

29:42

There was certain tours.

29:43

That we had to turn You turned down the Tonight Show three times, right, Yeah, that's right, because it was

29:47

on Friday night, and you said, I don't do TV on Friday night.

29:50

One was on circus, I don't do that, but one,

29:53

you know, we eventually played the Tonight Show on another

29:56

night and eventually played Letterman and other things. The thing

30:00

made rock career difficult, and this is tangential of course

30:05

to Judaism was when my first child, who is now

30:09

thirty four or thirty five years old, Isaac Brilliant son

30:13

of mine, was born. I was on the road for

30:17

two hundred and thirty nights and that was not sustainable.

30:22

And a record company just wants you to you know,

30:24

I'm a good live performer. That was the best marketing

30:27

that they could have. But it's like I used to

30:30

send my manager into the label to find out how

30:33

little I could play before they shut off the tap.

30:36

Most of the managers are going in wanting tour support

30:39

and everything else. It just wasn't a sustainable life for me.

30:42

And the downside of it is the crowds that I

30:46

draw are much less now because I'm not doing the tour,

30:52

and with every everything that we do, because we find

30:56

it right and just and moral, there often is a

31:01

price for it.

31:02

It's not it doesn't.

31:03

Some of these things don't come cheaply.

31:05

So I go into a venue and there's two hundred

31:08

and fifty people instead of twenty five hundred.

31:10

It doesn't go on my joyous side.

31:13

On the other hand, I would never do anything differently.

31:17

I have no regrets whatsoever.

31:19

Do you ever consider going the Habbat circuit or the

31:21

Orthodox circuit and performing including some maybe Hebrew songs or

31:26

combination Hebrew in English and came well? I don't how

31:28

new generation.

31:30

Once in a while somebody will have me come to

31:33

do something, but I don't. I don't sing any Hebrew songs.

31:36

I don't know any although I love hene Montovoman Naim,

31:42

I don't know anyse mirrors. I didn't grow up with it,

31:44

and I mostly just play my songs. But here's my

31:48

ability in a Jewish context forget about in the general

31:52

public what I and I think the book does a

31:55

good job of this too.

31:56

I recognize that I have a very unique place.

32:01

I understand the so called secular world very well. I'm

32:05

in place there. I understand all of it, and I

32:09

also understand very well the so called firm world and

32:15

in terms of people that can bridge those two things.

32:18

This isn't like complimenting myself, but just you know, this

32:21

is providential that had happened this way. I have a

32:25

very unique role to play in connecting people both ways,

32:31

this way and that way.

32:33

Which is important. Then that's why you don't do You

32:35

don't have any heberes. Maybe we can do some blends.

32:38

But I want to go back thirty eight years ago. You meet Rabbi Simon Jacobs and you get turned on

32:42

to Judaism. So what happens? How do you become observant?

32:46

Did you go through a special training yeshivas? Who godded you?

32:50

Help you? I never went through special training for anything.

32:56

I never went to music school.

32:59

I am what they call and sometimes people use this

33:02

derisively and autodidact.

33:04

That's just me. You know.

33:07

I have a lot of mentors and I still do

33:10

and musically and otherwise.

33:12

Simon was certainly one of them. There's a number of

33:15

people that I go to for a lot opinions. I'm

33:20

constantly studying toro with different people. I mean, the mechanics

33:27

of how that worked. So how do you go from one day the.

33:30

One day you're leaving a hitter in your lifestyle. You have a gorgeous girlfriend, as you say, now you become

33:34

observant jew overnight.

33:37

Yes, I mean what happens is, you know, it's very talkless,

33:41

it's very practical.

33:43

So I was apropos of Kenny Vance. I was producing

33:47

a record for him at the time in this little

33:50

studio in New Jersey, the one that I recorded at

33:54

a record which got.

33:55

Me my deal on Island. So Kenny thought we should

33:58

go there.

33:58

There was a Chinese restaurant next to the studio, and

34:03

I thought, well, yeah, I'm gonna just eat vegetarian there.

34:08

I'm going to order a vegetable thing on let's say,

34:10

on Tuesday. On Wednesday, I thought, well, maybe I'll just

34:15

have like rice with soy sauce.

34:18

On Thursday. I didn't eat at.

34:20

The restaurant at all because it wasn't kosher.

34:23

Just like a very quick dive in.

34:27

You.

34:27

Yeah, it wasn't even gradual. It was like a three

34:30

or four day you know.

34:31

I read a little bit about cashued, and it's easy

34:35

to find out even back thirty some years.

34:37

Ago, could you meet Kalba.

34:40

I did, well, that was it. I met the Rebbe.

34:43

I met with him first of all, after like Chavus,

34:47

you go and Koch Shobraja. And he gave me a

34:50

bottle and I didn't know what the bottles is a

34:52

bottle of vodka and all these you know, you know,

34:55

cause cinema coming up. Who's this like us Flamil is

34:59

getting a you know, like, what's his deal? And somebody

35:03

told me that it's it's it's given out to people

35:06

who are public people like yourself.

35:09

You would have gotten.

35:10

About public personalities, yeah, and that you would.

35:13

Go and you would make a little high with people

35:15

that you met on the road and elevate the conversation.

35:21

And you had to get rid of the bottle before pays off, because you can't sell it.

35:26

To somebody, you know, you're going to sell it to a non Jew.

35:29

But I got two or three bottles on two, you know,

35:32

And then I had a after Marie and I were married,

35:35

we had a sort of hate us with the Rebbee

35:38

after he'd stopped doing one on one. This was in

35:43

as he was in Schloshim for his wife who had

35:46

passed away in his house. He met with like three

35:49

different married couples, and I can't really disclose what I

35:55

learned from him from the Rebbe at the time, I

35:59

can only say this about meeting the Rebbie my cousin

36:03

who is a genius musician.

36:06

His name is Jeff Victor. He's one of my best friends.

36:09

He was living with me when we moved to New

36:12

York as a band, and I would constantly say at

36:17

the time, this is like nineteen eighty four or five,

36:21

I said, Jeff, I want you to come with me

36:23

to Crown Heights.

36:25

He was in Ridgewood, New Jersey, and just see what's

36:28

going on there.

36:29

It's just from the sociological point of view, No, no,

36:33

I don't want to go.

36:34

It's he's watching a TV show or something.

36:37

Now, these many years later, he's become from as many

36:42

of my friends have without me, like, so.

36:44

You influenced a lot of your friends behind I didn't

36:47

influence them.

36:48

I didn't, you know, try to demonstratively influenced. But yeah,

36:53

it was, it was. I'm sure there was influence, he

36:55

says to me today or a year ago, I should.

37:00

Have gone, what was it like to meet the Rebbie?

37:04

And if you and I were in private, I would

37:07

use different words to describe the story, but I said

37:09

to him, look, imagine you've just done the most horrible,

37:14

shameful thing and you're feeling like a total worm. Jeff

37:20

and I are like really close. There's nothing we don't share.

37:23

He goes, yeah, I I okay. I said, just get

37:27

into that feeling. The walls of hope are closing in

37:32

on you. He goes, yeah, I get it. You just

37:35

feel terrible about yourself.

37:38

Are you in that mode? He goes yeah.

37:40

Meeting with the Rebbie was the polar opposite of that

37:44

feeling you felt.

37:46

It wasn't so much mystical that you could just put

37:51

it into some kind of weird bucket like it was mystical.

37:54

Here you have a guy who studied at the.

37:57

Sorebone, who spoke within and I'd read some of you know,

38:02

some of his sikhras and things, and you just haven't.

38:05

Also a person who's very old, who's just very clear.

38:09

What did he tell you? Did he tell you something specifically to you that helped guide you?

38:13

Yeah? He did.

38:14

Are you able to share that?

38:16

Well? One of the things he said was are you

38:18

dobbining Minre? I said no. He goes.

38:22

You should start dobvining Minre. I mean, those are things

38:24

that were very concrete.

38:27

When I said my dad was a heroic figure, my

38:30

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38:34

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38:38

rare person. And I'm sure you know these kinds of people.

38:41

They're very very rare. Most people are par They.

38:45

Just you know, how's the weather, there's no effect whatsoever.

38:49

On the other hand, there's people who are just so

38:52

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38:57

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39:00

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39:06

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39:11

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39:13

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39:17

My dad was like that for me and so many people,

39:21

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39:25

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39:27

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39:30

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46:05

Our guest this pace of Mordecai Ak Peter Himmelman. But

46:09

he's an award winning IT nominated rock and roll performer, songwriter,

46:13

film composer, visual arts legend. His new book is called

46:16

Suspended by No String. His father in law is Bob Dylan,

46:19

and he's worked with many different foundations, including the Clooney

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46:25

Amo Clooney is a known anti semi. She worked with

46:29

the National Court of Justice to bring want to bring

46:32

genocide and arrest warrants for Prime Minister be Nentanillo and

46:36

others in Israel. So you've worked with them. So have

46:41

you reached out to mel Clooney and said how disappointed

46:44

you are in her.

46:45

I had no relationship with them whatsoever.

46:48

But at one point you had with the foundation?

46:50

Correct, Well, I worked with them.

46:53

I had a different series of people that I'd worked

46:57

with to go into the book.

46:59

And my uncle, who has been a mentor to me, said.

47:02

You've worked with the United States Army War College, you

47:06

work with three m you work with Adobe, Coca Cola.

47:11

I don't think that those names fit with the tone

47:16

of your book. You've also worked with a Clooney Foundation

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for Justice. I'm like, yeah, okay, so I'll talk about Wharton,

47:24

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47:28

I'll put in. After the book went to press and

47:31

there was no rescinding that, what can I tell you

47:34

the new print won't have it?

47:36

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sell some more copies. By the way, I know if

47:45

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47:47

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47:51

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47:52

It hasn't affected it so far. Look, I grew up

47:55

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47:58

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48:00

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48:03

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48:07

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48:21

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48:24

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48:28

So all I have to say is there's some tough

48:32

Jews out there, and I want to be counted as

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one of them.

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I will never not wear a yarmica in a place.

48:40

It's not going to happen.

48:41

Well, you at an incident in your book before your bar mits You're in a rowboat, and I think some

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man comes out and wants to sink your boat, and

48:48

your father challenges him, and then he actually goes to

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the group of those anti semites insists with them.

48:53

Right, they weren't anti Semites, they were Native Americans, and

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they were scary as hell because my couple my friends

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had gotten beaten up by these people. So my dad

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was an eagle scout and before my bar mitzvoh, he

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took me on a canoe.

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It's this lake called Lake Calhoun.

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And we're canoeing and you could hear in the distance

49:14

there was some sort of bacchanal going on with these

49:17

Native Americans, and I was like, yeah, my dad's never

49:21

going to like go there, that would be scary. But

49:24

he starts rowing canoeing the boat.

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That's if the man's trying to sink your boat, right, Yeah.

49:30

But what happened was this, This is the ethence of

49:34

my dad right here.

49:35

So a guy dove in the water and started swimming

49:39

out to the boat, and I'm sure that my dad

49:41

is going to turn the canoe around, but he doesn't.

49:44

He stirs right into the guy and the guy starts

49:47

hanging on to the gunwale of the boat like the

49:50

edges of the canoe, trying to tip us.

49:53

I'm terrified.

49:55

I turn around and I see my dad laughing.

49:58

He takes the paddle, and not in a frightened.

50:01

Way, but kind of in a way to make fun of this guy, and he smacks him right between the

50:07

shoulders pretty hard, but not hard enough to like.

50:10

And the guy lets go of the boat.

50:13

And all the Native Americans start laughing at this guy

50:16

who'd come to.

50:17

Tip the boat. That these two Jews and one of

50:19

their native water craft were, you know, made a fool

50:23

of their guy. So now we're definitely going to turn around.

50:26

This is too scary.

50:28

My dad steers the boat into the shore with no

50:33

fear whatsoever. They they cordially take the canoe on the shore.

50:40

My Dad's sitting between them all. They pass them a

50:43

you know, a bottle of wine, which he refuses. He's

50:47

talking to them. They respect him, he respects them in

50:52

their way, and they launch us back out into the water.

50:57

And this is this heroic nature of my dad, which

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I'll never forget.

51:03

He had a love for people, and he was an

51:05

ex marine, so he could handle himself in almost any

51:09

situation as well.

51:11

A couple moments left October seventh, How has that changed you?

51:14

Night and day.

51:15

My whole life is literally measured pre and post, and

51:22

it has filled me with the most tremendous anger.

51:27

I've ever felt in my life. But I will say

51:31

that anger is subsumed in the other thing that it's

51:35

done for me.

51:37

It has given me a degree of a havatis ale

51:40

which I've always had, that completely overwhelms the anger. I

51:47

have never felt more octued, more kinship, more love in

51:53

general for people than I have ever felt at any

51:56

point in my life.

51:57

Amazing story. I appreciate you being here with us. I

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recommend your book suspended by no string. What's your next

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book going to be about?

52:05

Whatever impulse comes up? Just like a song.

52:08

Never, I don't work with ideas. I work with some

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sort of impulse like you.

52:13

I riff with whatever's going on.

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I'm waiting also for you and Bob Dylan your fall

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Well to do a Jewish concert together. I think that

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would be right for Israel.

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Anything's gonna Anything's possible.

52:23

Can I plant this seed in your mind?

52:25

The seed is planted in the heady loam of my brain.

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