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Welcome back to the program, Moms, Zev Brenner. We're going

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author of the book on Ruth Bloud that's coming out

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a little while. Thank you for being part of our show tonight.

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Thank you for inviting me. Thank you very much.

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Thank you. I know you're right and new lecture, and

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you're expert on the Sacker military heart. Tell us about

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your fascination with Ruth Black because she's a very colorful woman.

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We're going to get her in just a moment.

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Well, you said yourself, such an interesting person, how can

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Well, so tell us about Ruth Blau. That's her name,

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including a bar girl in Paris. But we're going to

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get to all that, so let's look at her interesting life.

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Yeah, Well, she was born in France in nineteen twenty

8:42

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and she grew up in Paris, a wonderful location, one

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of the best spots in Paris, and grew up in

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the church and received Catholic education. And during World War II,

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she was eighteen years old, she got married. She moved

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she didn't get along with her husband. She divorced him.

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She had a son, a child, and the war came

9:19

and also refugees and also other things that came with that.

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And I've been studying her with a biography, and I

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found that she helped save one Jewish woman from a

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concentration camp in Nice. She went with a false document

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to the concentration camp and pulled that woman out of

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that concentration camp and said to the Nazis, you had

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her to her village in the border. Were friends in

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Spain and and later on after that, this was before

10:04

after that she joined the French Resistance and officially got

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drafted to the French resistance. And this is where you

10:12

started saying the Gestapo and all those things, So this

10:16

is where it became. So she was recruited to the

10:20

French Resistance to a to a group of resistance that

10:24

was located in southern France, and the purpose of this

10:28

resistance was to collect information about Nazi Nazi activities in

10:36

southern France, and this information was sent to Britain in

10:42

order to prepare for D Day, as the Nazis themselves

10:45

were expecting that there will be an invasion of of

10:52

of the British powers, British Americans what later would become

10:56

be called D Day, so there were strengthening their forces

11:01

in silent France expecting the invasion, and Madeleine Lussette was

11:07

recruited to the French resistance to to spy on the

11:14

Nazi activities and her specific purpose was to learn more

11:19

about the Gestapo, the secret services that were that were

11:26

used by the Nazis, so she was able to penetrate them,

11:32

to gain their trust, to get accepted into the Gestapo

11:39

as a double agent, and was able to send information

11:43

about Nazi activities to to you know, to the resistance.

11:48

Well, she has been very good if she was a to recruited, But how did she end up being a spy?

11:53

What was how did they know that she would work out? Well?

11:56

Did she volunteer? How did that process play out?

12:01

Yeah, so at that time and the Gestapo was very effective.

12:06

The Gestapo was able to crash the resistance, the French

12:11

resistance very strongly at that time. So they had to

12:14

recruit more and more and more people all the time

12:17

because the Nazis were able to capture everyone. And so

12:21

this is this is how we know the process went.

12:25

How did she do that? She was a very charming woman,

12:29

And this is something that I've learned from her biography

12:33

and I've studied her life from the moment she was

12:35

born to the moment she died. People she was very talented,

12:39

she was very smart, and she was she had a

12:42

certain charm and many people were captivated by her. And

12:46

she was very beautiful. Also, something that always is always helpful.

12:51

That always helpful, and I guess it helped her respiring things.

12:53

So perhaps she ended up and she also ended up

12:56

in jail, correct.

12:58

Yeah, so she in germ multiple times in her life.

13:02

So the first time was after the French, after the

13:06

Nazis were defeated. So every person, as every woman that

13:13

collaborated with the Nazis or even had an affair with

13:17

the Nazis. French women had an affair with the Nazis,

13:20

with the German soldier, they were all brought to interrogations

13:25

and the way in which they were treated was that

13:28

they would chase their hair and they will parade them

13:31

on the streets of you know, the cities in France

13:34

to shame them and to people would spit on them

13:38

and would kick them. And so she was brought to interrogations.

13:44

They didn't know that she was a secret agent. She

13:46

didn't know that there was she was a double agent.

13:49

And after five days of interrogation she was set free.

13:54

They didn't touch her. And after the war ended, she came.

13:58

She moved back to Peris with her family, with her

14:01

son and a mother, and she joined the French secret

14:05

service and she was sent to a mission in Morocco,

14:11

to a spying mission in Morocco again to spy against

14:16

you know, after the world there was still a people

14:19

who were fascist and Nazis all over, you know, all

14:22

over places, and there was a certain individual who was

14:25

an Italian fascist that was living in Morocco and he

14:31

was starting to steer up something and they were trying to,

14:35

you know, to have a better grip of what is

14:38

doing and what is planning. So they sent her, and

14:42

they sent her to spy on him, and she was able to become acquainted with him. And it was interesting

14:50

because the Moroccan Secret Service was also spying on him,

14:55

and so when they saw them together, they arrested her.

15:00

They arrested her. And this is how I know all these things, because they wrote reports about it, and so

15:05

it's all documented and and so this is how so

15:10

she was. She was She joined the Moroccan the French

15:13

secret Service, and she went on a mission after the

15:17

war to continue her spying duties on ex fascist x

15:21

Nazis in North Africa. That assignment was done and then

15:26

she moved back. She came back to France and as

15:30

far as I know, this is where her secret spying,

15:35

you know, jobs ended. She started a process of education.

15:42

She went to study religion, religious studies and in the Sorbonne,

15:47

which is the prestigious university in France, and this is

15:52

where she started her interest in learning about other religions.

15:57

She went through a process of searchings, multiple religions and

16:03

multiple prospects, and eventually she ended up in Judaism. And

16:09

at the same time she had the business. So you

16:13

asked me about the jail. The jail period, she had

16:15

the business and she wasn't paying your taxes. She was

16:20

importing and selling stuff. She was buying materials from North

16:26

Africa and selling them in France, and she wasn't paying

16:30

your taxes, and the authorities, the French authorities caught her

16:34

and put her for two months in jail for not

16:37

paying your taxes. She did on the taxes, so so.

16:43

She started telling down. Now you also mentioned she was

16:45

also a bar girl too, wasn't she.

16:47

I didn't say that, No, other people said, I've read.

16:51

Other other articles about her. So have you found that

16:54

to be the case?

16:55

So I.

16:57

Do it by elimination. I don't. I don't think she

17:00

was a ball girl because because the story that she

17:03

was a bar girl in Paris, she wasn't living in Paris.

17:06

She was living in southern France. And I found this

17:09

the French documents, you know, the Secret Service, so documents

17:14

in the town. Now they declassified. They declassified all the

17:17

documents from World War Two. So I went to France

17:21

and I was able to read all the documents about

17:23

her past. They never mentioned that she was a bull girl,

17:26

and they wrote a lot of things over there, so

17:28

I don't think they were shy or they were so

17:32

I just don't think she was a bull girl. This is not true.

17:35

So how did that end up? Because I kept hearing

17:37

over the years that she was she was in show

17:40

business as a bar girl. You kept hearing different things. Yes,

17:43

so there has to be some substance to those rumors.

17:46

I'm just curious. Yeah, if you know national opinion, how

17:49

that came about.

17:50

Is L was the head of the Mossades. We still

17:52

didn't talk about the Osl affair. This is where she

17:55

came her first path with the Mosad, and there were

18:03

other paths with Demosad. This is not the only path.

18:06

But I think it isn't all kind of spread these

18:10

rumors about her past, and there was a reason for that.

18:14

The way in which I understand it, the way I

18:17

figured out in my research about her relationship with the

18:20

Mosad that she probably did work with the Mosad, especially

18:26

in her later years, and she collaborated with the Mosad,

18:29

doing some very interesting and some very dangerous assignments for

18:34

de Mosad. But he had to trash a reputation so

18:40

that people won't suspect that they are collaborating, they're walking together.

18:44

So he spread those rumors that she was a prostitute

18:48

and about and you know, all those things. And I

18:51

think this is the reason why he spread those rumors.

18:54

But we'll get to that.

18:56

We our fascinating guests. As you're heard. He's an extra

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19:15

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25:48

infiltrated the Gestapo, work for French intelligence, work for the

25:51

most sad, and she also married the anti Zionist naturiacard

25:55

to leader rob Amram Blau. She actually helped kidnap yeah

25:59

soo Shuman Parker, which kept the most sut and kept

26:02

a lot of people going for a while. Our guests

26:05

Professor Mutti Enbar's professor of Jewish due University of North

26:09

Carolina at the Pembroke and we're prision being with us.

26:13

His book is coming out soon when's the book on

26:16

Ruthlot coming out, by.

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know here, okay. So she tells her she was fascinated

26:31

with Judy's. Well, tell us more about how did that come about?

26:34

She was just looking for spiritual, you know, excitement, and

26:39

she wasn't happy with her Christian faith and she started

26:43

studying in a college setting and started exploring. She went

26:49

to seventy Advantage, she studied the Greek mythology, and then

26:54

she got focused on the Bible. She got really focused

26:58

on the Bible. But she didn't know any Jew. You know,

27:01

there was no Jews in her surrounding. So at that

27:05

point she met an Israeli that was studying in France

27:11

in the Sorbonne and as I said, she was a

27:14

beautiful woman. Everybody wanted to marry her. She had a

27:18

multiple people trying to marry her, and he fell in

27:21

love with her, and he said, and you need to convert.

27:25

And so she.

27:28

Went to this process of conversion in order to get married. Eventually,

27:31

this marriage did not move forward. They broke up, but

27:36

she continued her conversion and she converted in her Reform

27:39

synagogue in Paris in I think nineteen forty nine. And

27:44

after that she met an Orthodox rabbi who wanted to

27:48

marry her, and they said, you know your a phone convert.

27:53

It won't work. You need to convert again. So she

27:57

converted an Orthodox conversion in hers in order to get

28:01

married with him. And they already got engaged and they

28:04

planned to move to Israel and everything was already set,

28:07

and eventually broke the engagement and she was heartbroken and

28:13

went back to France. In nineteen sixty, she decided to

28:17

do aliyah after her son, her son from her first marriage,

28:22

was already eighteen years old. He decided to move to

28:25

Israel and he joined the ideas and she made Aliyah.

28:30

And when she came to Israel, I should have mentioned

28:33

that in France, while she was doing the Orthodox conversion,

28:37

she came across a Rabbi Mises, Elijah Mises, who was

28:44

a two way Kata kind of person, and he helped

28:48

her with her conversion. And so he moved to Israel

28:53

and he joined the Tueikata community in Mersham and when

28:59

she came to Israel. When she moved, she did aia

29:03

Miser's cot there And this is where the Josele story begins.

29:08

So for the audience who doesn't remember exactly what the

29:11

Ossele story is about, there was a family that was

29:17

able to get out of the Soviet Union and a

29:20

free generation. A grandfather and grandmother, children and grandchildren. And

29:26

the grandfather was a brasslevt hacid that was prosecuted in

29:32

the Soviet Union and he was sent to Siberia and

29:36

he lost his eye and he lost his toes and

29:39

he was able, you know, eventually to get out and

29:42

settled in with the brasslevd in the Ashua Rim. And

29:46

his daughter had two children, and she gave the son

29:53

Josele to the grandfather to take care of him. And

29:57

while they were settling down, and eventually she signed end

30:00

up the boy to a to religious Zionist school. The

30:06

boy was seven years old, and the grandfather opposed the schooling,

30:11

and the grandfather kidnapped the boy so that he won't

30:14

be sent.

30:15

To a religious Zioner school.

30:19

Yeah, because they the grandfather was a brass left hassid,

30:22

you know. Back then the Braslef Hasids were very anti Israeli,

30:27

and the daughter signed up her son to a religious

30:31

Zionist school instead of a header yeshiva in Jerusalem, and

30:36

so he kidnapped the boy. And after a while they

30:41

were trying to hide yoursel in all kinds of places.

30:44

The police was after them. They they they basically they

30:47

gave the boy to the toua Karta and said take

30:52

the boy outside of Israel. So touri Kata didn't know

30:56

how to do that. But then Maises remembered the French

31:00

convert and he called her in. She just made Alia,

31:03

She just made Alia, and he called her in and

31:05

he asked her to smuggle the boy outside of Israel,

31:09

and she came up with a plan. She basically changes

31:12

the identity from a boy to a girl. He foughted

31:16

documents on a Belgian passport that she had a son

31:20

instead of a boy, and she was able to take

31:25

him outside of Israel. So first she brought the boy

31:28

to yeshiva in Switzerland, and the boy stayed there for

31:34

a year until he was exposed. One of the teachers

31:37

at the yeshiva identified that this is Josele and then

31:42

they had to move him to a different location. He

31:44

went to a yeshiva in France for eight months. Again

31:49

he was exposed after eight months, and then they moved

31:53

him to Brooklyn, New York.

31:56

And she coordinated all the activity was done by her.

32:00

Yes, everything she's done. So after two and a half

32:03

years in Israel that they couldn't find the boy, then

32:08

going on asked the Mossad to find the boy. So

32:12

the Mosad for their investigations, were able to link her

32:16

to the kidnapping of the boy, and they basically they

32:20

trapped her in Paris. They kidnapped her and put her

32:23

under interrogation for two weeks. After two weeks basically what

32:27

happened in Israel, they also brought her son for interrogation,

32:32

and the son broke in his interrogation and gave the

32:36

Mosad the whole story what happened. And then she and

32:41

then the Mosad had her in Paris and they told

32:46

her that her son confessed, and so she confessed and

32:49

gave the location of the boy. It was on Penn

32:52

Street one twenty six Pence Street.

32:54

In Brooklyn, New York, Brooklynwyork and the Supper area. And

33:01

so at what point did she marry Raebbi amram Blau,

33:06

the leader of Noturic characters.

33:08

Okay, so she received from the Masada promise that she

33:12

will not be persecuted, not her, not her son, and

33:15

not anyone else that was involved in the kidnapping.

33:18

And why do they make that promise to her?

33:20

So for for her to give her the to give

33:22

the address to confess.

33:25

If he gave the address and she wouldn't be prosecuted.

33:28

Yes, she made a deal.

33:30

And then you have to give the contexts that there was tremendous pressure on Israel to find it was a

33:34

story that Israel.

33:36

Listen this. The Sat rebel was involved, the Luba rebe

33:40

was involved, the Rebbe Kanyevsky, from the from from the

33:45

Ponivitchy Shiva was involved. There were great people were involved.

33:50

If the Israel wanted to go and prosecute everyone and

33:52

exploit tradictions and all that stuff, let me let me.

33:56

Start from when you say the Sat was involved, what

34:01

does that mean involved? Tell us some I just the

34:04

first time hearing about the lubarbas or Sat. So what

34:09

was their involvement? According to what you have found?

34:12

Yes, so the Lube, so the Braslev Hasid had two sons,

34:20

and these two sons were habad Hasid. They were not brasle.

34:25

They were how bad and they were the first ones

34:28

who kidnapped jose And they were in contact with the

34:33

Lube about all those things. But eventually they decided to

34:37

transfer him to the ture Karta. The sat maa rebe,

34:42

was involved in hiding Yoselee in New York and.

34:50

Coordinated the hiding of your social marcher.

34:53

He knew about it. He knew. He came to him.

34:56

Between knowing about it being involved with it. So was

34:59

he involved? Did he just know about it?

35:02

So she came to him and she needed Ruth came

35:06

to the Yes, Ruth came to the SAtma Rebe, and

35:10

there is a docu, there is a testimony about there

35:13

isn't there's So how did the Mozart connected Wood with

35:17

with the kidnapping? It was because Satmar Satmar woman that

35:23

went to meet the rebbe had to wait for him

35:27

a few hours and because he was he had an

35:33

unplanned meeting with Ruth for three hours and she was

35:40

talking with people about you know, she can't understand how

35:43

come the rebbe was not seeing is you know, visitors

35:48

and putting all of them on hold. And then when

35:51

they're waiting for three hours, and then Root is coming

35:54

out of his room and and she was talking about it,

35:58

and the Mozad agent heard this conversation, and she was

36:03

talking about it with other people, you know, and the

36:06

Mosad had the people inside the SAtma and they.

36:11

Had saying that the Masat infiltrated the Sopber community with

36:13

that had to do with the Schmar case or in general,

36:16

they infiltrated the soccer community for.

36:19

The Yocele case, for the Oceller case.

36:21

They suspected that there was a software connection to the kid.

36:24

Yes, it was clearly it was the anti Zionist they think.

36:28

They thought it was either the SAtma all in a

36:30

two way kata or the cart.

36:33

And softmore are not the same there with one another, yes, but.

36:37

It was they so they tried to think who are

36:40

the suspects who can be involved in that, and they

36:43

were trying to narrow it down. And when they heard

36:46

this story that Woodman David was coming out of the

36:49

SAtma Rebe from an unplanned meeting, they took for three

36:53

hours they connected the dots, you know, it was about Yoursele.

36:58

This is where they connected the dots, and this is

37:02

how it was all connected. Yo was the they were

37:07

hiding Yosele in the Satimar family Alta fa title by

37:11

was connected with that, with matching Yrsele with this family,

37:16

the Gertner family. So if they were taken for investigations

37:22

and if the police would have come, maybe a lot

37:25

of juice would come out of this, but Israel decided

37:28

not to prosecute it, to leave it alone.

37:30

Now you mentioned little Barbach Rebbe, so how was he

37:34

connected to this other?

37:36

As I said, at the first the first stages of

37:39

the kidnapping, those who kidnapped Yosele were Habad Hasidi and

37:47

they and Yosele was was They were hiding Yosele in Habbad,

37:52

y Shiza in Israeli in Lord.

37:56

But the approved them, you know, the hiding of the

38:00

of the.

38:00

Of So nobody ever investigated the Rebbe about about those issues,

38:08

and therefore we don't really know how much he knew.

38:11

Much he doesn't know. But I do know something else

38:14

about the Ubab Rebbe. What when Theavid was trying to

38:18

bring your sale to a Habbad institution in Morocco, and

38:24

they have asked the Rebbe if they should accept the

38:28

boy or not, and after the Rebbe told them not

38:32

to accept the boy, and so she was unable to

38:35

find a solution in Morocco. Fascinating so interesting knew that

38:39

the boy is in Morocco and there was contacting Habadi

38:42

Shiva in Morocco, so he knew he had some information

38:47

about what was going on with your he never shared

38:50

it with anyone.

38:51

So let me ask you this question, President Bari. So

38:54

if the Mosart infiltrated the soccer community in New York

38:57

and they saw Ruth and the vid meet for hours

39:00

with the Satmrabian, they connected the dots, why did they

39:04

need to go ahead and get her to cooperation? They

39:07

couldn't they have done more work on the ground and

39:10

Williamsburg of that's what they knew that he was. The boy was there. They probably suspected he was there. So

39:15

when they people done that on their own without her help.

39:18

They didn't know that the boy exactly. It's located in

39:21

the SAtma is a big community. You know, you can

39:24

go house by house.

39:25

Well that days it wasn't a big as it is today.

39:28

Yeah, but another thing, they didn't want to mess with

39:30

the FBI. They didn't want to do anything you know,

39:34

that is breaking the law, the American law. So when

39:37

they when who was confessed and gave the address to

39:42

the Mossad, the Mossad contacted the FBI and told them

39:46

this is the address, please go and pick the boy

39:48

from there. And the FBI was not in the rush

39:50

to do that. Why was the rush to do it

39:53

so international intrigues. So here's the thing. So they was

40:00

a Soviet spy and I just I don't remember his

40:03

name right now, that the CIA was able to catch

40:08

in America and he and he was able to use

40:12

a fake passport to escape the United States persecution is

40:17

jail time. And he was Jewish, so he flew to

40:21

Israel and he was asking that Israel will give him

40:24

citizenship and protection because he's Jewish. And he was a

40:28

Soviet spy. And the FBI said to Israel, you want

40:32

your sale, bring us the spy please, So there was

40:35

an exchange. After Israel sent the spy back to the

40:40

United States, the FBI went and knocked on the Outnal

40:44

family's door and asked, was taking your sale out of

40:47

the house.

40:47

So it was complie, very complicated. It's all in my book, Wow,

40:53

which will be coming out. That's a fascinating story on

40:56

the case of Rupe Law, who infiltrated the Gestapo for

41:00

the French resistance, was arrested in France. After the war,

41:05

she converted to Judaism. She married Rabbi Amra and Blau,

41:09

leader of Notataria Carta, and she was the brains behind

41:12

the kidnapping of Yuesla Schumacher. Our guest is Professor Mattimbari,

41:17

Professor Jewish sta University of North Carolina, Pembroke, and he

41:20

is author of a fascinating book dealing with Ruth Loud,

41:25

which will be out next summer. If you'd like to

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