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R.

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Yumano,

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Papacango.

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Here's the deal. A couple

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of months ago, my buddy

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Riley Morton was down here

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in Crestone. And he

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had this idea for a

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project that he wants to do,

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which is basically talking

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to. authors to

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get the backstory of

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books. And he's uniquely

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well suited to do

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this because he's a

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documentary filmmaker and he's

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a very smart guy

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and very thorough, very

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prepared, takes things very

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seriously. And so he came

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to me and he was like,

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look, let's do a dry run

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on this with Sex of Dawn.

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I'd like to talk with you

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about what your life was

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like before you wrote that book?

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Like what led up to this? How

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did this book come to be? And,

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you know, I don't know. I'm

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probably not a good authority

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about myself, but I feel

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like if I had to

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describe myself, I would say

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I'm simultaneously someone who is

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very comfortable talking about themselves.

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Obviously, I make a living

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at it. But also... Kind

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of reticent to talk about

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some things Particularly

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personal things that involve

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other people If like everyone

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I've ever known Was dead,

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I would tell you some

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fucking stories. Holy shit But I

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don't because I'm trying to be

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respectful of other

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people's privacy and you

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know they're not podcasters.

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They're not people who

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want their private shit

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in the public realm. So

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it's always a complicated thing.

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Some people like my friend

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Neil Strauss, he and I

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have talked about this a

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lot and if you've read...

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His books, particularly the

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truth, man, he

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reveals some things

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about his parents' marriage,

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about their sexual life,

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that I personally would

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never have written. Even

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if they were dead, I

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wouldn't have written it. And

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we talked about that, and

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his thing is... Your life is

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your life and anyone who comes into

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your life and becomes part of your

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life, like they just have to accept

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that you're a writer, so you're going

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to write about them and their fair

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game and whatever experience you had with

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them, you have the right to describe

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it. And you know, of course, he,

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when possible, would advocate trying

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to protect people's privacy with, you

3:12

know, changing names and dates and

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all that kind of shit. You

3:17

know, when you're talking about your

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mother and your father and your

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ex-wife and, you know, your girlfriend

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in high school and whatever, it's

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pretty easy to track those people

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down and figure out who they

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are. So there's no way to

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really protect their anonymity. So anyway,

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this is all a long way

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around of saying that these conversations

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with Riley were very personal

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and, you know, I did try to... have

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some discretion around other

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people's privacy, but the

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whole idea was to

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be as revealing

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as possible. And we

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were sitting in the woods

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out here by the house.

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because I had COVID, I had

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just come back from Spain, I

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think this must have been in

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September, October. I had just

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been to my friend Brian's funeral

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and got COVID on the

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way back and Riley was

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already here when I tested

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positive and then he was

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gonna go see his parents

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after our visit. So he

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was understandably concerned about being

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inside and so he was

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staying in his van out

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in the. in the driveway or

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maybe it was our van. I forget

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his van he was in, but he

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was, you know, like very, our

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contact was all outside. So we

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did these interviews in the trees,

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so you might hear some birds

4:44

or some shuffling around or

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whatever. And we did it

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over the course of two days,

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and I think it was probably

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like three hours each day, so there's

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a lot of material. And

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I haven't listened to these.

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Yeah, I don't know. Maybe that's

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part of the complexity.

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Like I like talking, but

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I don't necessarily like listening

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to myself talk, you know,

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even just doing these things.

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I get tired of listening

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to myself and have

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to sign off after a while.

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But the these conversations

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got a lot more

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detailed and a lot

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more personal than other

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conversations I've had on

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other podcasts or stories

5:34

I've told in romas

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and tomas and stuff.

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So yeah, so I

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guess I'm simultaneously warning

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you and apologizing to

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you if it seems

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self-centered or whatever, if

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you've heard enough of

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my stuff like these are

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good ones to skip I

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guess. But I guess they're

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pretty good because... I'm working

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with production company that's sort

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of exploring the idea of doing

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some sort of a feature film

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or a documentary series or something

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about Sex At Dawn and the

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sort of journey that led up

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to it and with Riley's permission

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I shared these recordings with them

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and they said that they really

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enjoyed them and it was super

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helpful and I said because you

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know as one of the tricks

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of the trade is Riley said

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to me just like let it

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roll man just say whatever you

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want and we can always edit

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it out later you know if

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there's something you're not comfortable with

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but of course that's predicated on

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the idea that I'm gonna sit

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there and listen to six hours

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of myself talking and you know

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delete the stuff that I feel

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is too personal and honestly I'm

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not gonna do that I just

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I there are so many other

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things I'd rather do with six

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hours than listen to myself you

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know, tell stories, obviously, I've heard

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before. So I haven't done that.

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So these Riley edited them down,

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but I think just for, you

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know, clarity or to get long

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gaps out and whatever. But I

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haven't listened to them. I don't

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really remember what we talked about.

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As I said, I had COVID.

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I was kind of under the

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weather. And I'm talking to a

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good friend. So, you know. I'm

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not really filtering much. That's the

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backstory on these. Now, another, I

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guess another aspect of this is

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that maybe this, I hadn't really

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thought about that, but knowing that

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I had these and, you know,

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and Riley said, you should use

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them, you should make them bonus

7:48

material, you know, for your, supporting

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audience members and all that. And

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I thought, yeah, but I don't

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really want this stuff going out

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to the... general public. There are

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things I'm comfortable sharing with people

8:01

who come to this podcast or

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have been in, you know, listening

8:05

to this podcast for a long

8:08

time. I get emails from you

8:10

all the time. I get emails

8:12

five, six emails a day from

8:14

people saying, I've been listening to

8:16

you since I heard you on

8:18

Rogan, you know, and a lot

8:20

of the reason I'm getting these

8:22

emails now is because I've set

8:24

up this, you know, not paywall,

8:26

paywall. And so people write to

8:29

me and say, hey man, you

8:31

know, let me in. I don't

8:33

have the five bucks a month.

8:35

I'll pay you when I get

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a job or, you know, I

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got four kids and, you know,

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whatever. I'm in grad school. I

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live in Brazil. Where is someone

8:45

just wrote to me recently from

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somewhere really interesting? I forget where

8:50

it was, but it was a

8:52

place like, I can't believe there's

8:54

someone there listening to this podcast.

8:56

Anyway, whatever the fucking reason is,

8:58

you don't even have to have

9:00

a reason, just tell me, hey,

9:02

let me in, please, and I'll

9:04

let you in, because the point

9:06

is, you want to be there,

9:08

and I want everyone who's here

9:10

to want to be here. And

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why? Because it makes me comfortable

9:15

sharing things like this. Because I

9:17

feel like we're friends, you know

9:19

me. I don't know you, but

9:21

if you've been around this long,

9:23

I may as well know you.

9:25

I know what kind of person

9:27

you are. I know you, you

9:29

know, you know, you know, you

9:31

know, you know, you know, you

9:34

know who I am and if

9:36

I say something that's kind of

9:38

weird or makes you uncomfortable or

9:40

whatever, you're not holding it against

9:42

me because if you were the

9:44

kind of person who was judgmental

9:46

in that way, you would have

9:48

bailed a long time ago. or

9:50

you wouldn't have bothered to send

9:52

me an email saying, hey, let

9:54

me in, or you wouldn't bother

9:57

to pay five bucks a month

9:59

or fifty bucks a year, you

10:01

just wouldn't be here. So the

10:03

fact... that you're here, the fact

10:05

that you're listening to my voice

10:07

tells me that I can be

10:09

pretty transparent with you. So that's

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the backstory. Now, those of you

10:13

who are listening to my voice

10:15

who are not beyond the paywall

10:18

because I'm just going to use

10:20

this intro for both groups. I'm

10:22

not going to do a, you

10:24

know, two different versions. That's what

10:26

this episode is. This is the

10:28

first of there will be four

10:30

and I'm not going to do

10:32

them all in a row I'll

10:34

just sort of pepper them in

10:36

over the next few months But

10:38

yeah, there's material for for pretty

10:41

long episodes They're going to be

10:43

available only to people who are

10:45

inside in the kitchen not out

10:47

in the living room You know,

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there's the people out on the

10:51

porch, there's the people out in

10:53

the yard, there's the people in

10:55

the living room, and then there's

10:57

the hardcore in the kitchen. So

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if you are in the kitchen,

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you're going to hear these episodes

11:04

or at least have access to

11:06

them. And if you aren't in

11:08

the kitchen, but you want to

11:10

be, all you need to do

11:12

is send me an email you

11:14

use to sign up for sub

11:16

stack. and you're welcome to join

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the party in the kitchen.

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you And

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I will be

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back with you with you

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soon with scheduled scheduled

14:33

programming. care.

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Keep the faith.