Pragmatic Programmer at 20 with Dave Thomas and Andy HuntGuestsDave Thomas (https://twitter.com/pragdave) and Andy Hunt (https://twitter.com/PragmaticAndy): Authors of The Pragmatic Programmer (https://pragprog.com/book/tpp20/the-pragmatic-programmer-20th-anniversary-edition) and publishers of The Pragmatic Bookshelf (https://pragprog.com/).SummaryI’m very excited to have Dave Thomas and Andy Hunt on the show today. Dave and Andy are the authors of the Pragmatic Programmer, which has a 20th anniversary edition that is out now, and they are the publishers of the Pragmatic Bookshelf, where they have (full disclosure) published my books a time or two. We talk about what’s changed in the new version, what being a Pragmatic Programmer means, whether there’s still a role for tech books, and how to make automated testing pragmatic. Somehow I avoid telling the slightly embarrassing story about the bad impression I made the first time I met Dave. Enjoy. Notes02:52 - Revisiting the Book 20 Years Later and What Has Changed/Hasn’t Changed06:41 - What it Means to be a Pragmatic Programmer08:39 - Software Development as a Team Sport12:56 - Extreme Programming Explained and The Pragmatic Programmer; Similarities and DifferencesExtreme Programming Explained (https://amzn.to/31xukpR)Agile Manifesto (http://agilemanifesto.org)22:09 - Finding The Pragmatic Programmer Voice/Tone24:55 - Roles for Dead-Tree Technical Books30:36 - How To Make Automatic Testing Pragmatic Special Guests: Andy Hunt and Dave Thomas.