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Gomez Delgado. other than the data centers

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in Madrid and Barcelona, they

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sort of go to these rural areas

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where they know there's not a lot

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of jobs for people. They know there's

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not a lot of economic opportunity and

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say, if you let us build this

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major data center here, center then then we'll be

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able to give you jobs and pay

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taxes and all these sorts of things

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of kind of take advantage of the

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economic desperation in those places, I guess. I

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guess. There always this problem with

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the business with the the same

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for data this is the same any kind

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of capitalism or any kind of is

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that they business, is have they go of

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jobs. this promise local The always want

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to give jobs to their

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citizens because it's the main problem

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for all of them. of them.

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The problem is the local the local

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majors always think years years in advance because have

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the elections only in four

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years. four They never think about how

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the the next generation is going

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to be to be suffering, the the

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lack of resource, the lack the lack

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of environmental resources or also the heat

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the heat or the lack of

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water. they believe this promise. They say, okay, come

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They say, okay, come here. We

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change our law. We also

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give you, sometimes you can the territory

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so you can build everything.

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So they can the law so

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they can go there. Sometimes it's

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different in different parts of

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the world you know it's the know it's

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the same the the same narrative,

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the same companies but maybe

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in in Spain, we are more focusing water,

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in island armor, focusing in energy,

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it depends. Yeah, that makes sense.

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And so what would be the

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biggest concern that these data centers

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present for the communities that you're

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talking about? For in Spain, our

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main concern, of course, is our

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main concern because we also have

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a lot of renewable energy, we

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have solar power, we have a

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This is not a problem for

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us. We are moving so, so

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fast in this part of the

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problem. But the water is a

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problem, and it's a problem for

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all the business that are going

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here in Spain right now. For

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example, we also have these other

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problems. The macro firms that are

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here, for example, for breeding pigs.

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are so so big that we

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are selling peaks to all Europe.

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These peaks are contaminated and the

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road road. So you are in

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a region that you have the

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macro farms of peaks that are

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contaminating the water. You have the

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touristification that also still resources for

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local population. And you also have

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these data centers that also are

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going to steal the water. So

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you are swimming. one problem to

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another to another and the water

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is not an infinite resource. This

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is something that this is very

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funny because they told us in

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a school that water is an

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infinite resource for the cycle of

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water, but they didn't explain us

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about the aquifers and the underground

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water. So it's difficult to people

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to understand how big is problem

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