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meaningfully online is an artful
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get better at. try. I'm
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Ted Business, a podcast
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from TED. Our guest
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today is networking expert
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Margo Miller. And she's
2:12
here to give us
2:14
six very concrete pieces
2:16
of advice on how
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to communicate with intent
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without the ads. And
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now Margot Miller takes
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the TED stage. I want
4:15
to see a show of hands.
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How many of you have
4:19
ever deleted an email
4:22
or a social media
4:24
request because it was
4:26
written like pure spam.
4:29
Yeah, or maybe you deleted it because they
4:31
got your name wrong or they used
4:33
an awful cliche like we share mutual
4:36
interests But never took the time to
4:38
tell you what those were Yeah, I
4:40
remember a long time ago. I sent an
4:42
email to a business acquaintance of mine
4:44
I was hoping to draw them into
4:46
my network and maybe get some feedback
4:48
and so I work hard on it
4:50
and I send it off and to
4:52
my surprise instead of emailing me back
4:54
They sent me a text message awesome
4:56
it worked Turns out it was not so
4:58
awesome The text message was to ask
5:00
me why I sent them a mass
5:02
message instead of a personal one. Needless
5:04
to say, I was embarrassed, but at
5:07
least I got that second chance via
5:09
text message. Things have evolved
5:11
a lot since then, and I'll start by
5:13
telling you this. Today's version of
5:16
networking has changed. We once had
5:18
classes on etiquette. And then my
5:20
parents' generation and probably many
5:23
of you got literal instructions on
5:25
how to shake hands and make
5:27
eye contact. And then the internet
5:29
blew up, and now, there is
5:31
no instruction at all. The skills that
5:34
once served us well in
5:36
conference rooms and at networking
5:38
events are no longer enough. Now,
5:40
our networks span the globe. Today,
5:43
we have over 5 billion internet
5:45
and social media users,
5:47
respectively, around the world.
5:49
Most of us, accessing our
5:51
digital identities, through the device
5:54
that you either have in your hand
5:56
right now or close enough. But this
5:58
is great, because what this means is that... we can
6:00
reach almost anyone anywhere
6:03
instantly. And now I won't make you
6:05
raise your hand for this next
6:07
one, but is it possible you might
6:09
still change jobs one day? If so,
6:11
you should know that the vast majority
6:14
of job placements are now
6:16
happening through networking. They're
6:18
happening through personal and
6:21
professional connections. And so
6:23
what do we do with this? Well, first,
6:25
this is not a talk about
6:27
you becoming an influencer. Meaningful
6:30
online connection is not about how
6:32
many followers you have or what
6:35
you look like. Yet, ignoring the
6:37
power of connecting online, that's
6:39
not just outdated, it's
6:42
a significant missed opportunity.
6:44
And what we need is a new
6:46
playbook. Now making up for my
6:49
bad email days, I have since
6:51
made a career out of connecting
6:53
people online around the world and
6:55
drawing from a wealth of
6:57
global interactions. I've distilled for
7:00
you six ways to make
7:02
better connections online, beginning
7:04
right now. Tip number one, connect,
7:06
don't, collect. We're in an
7:09
era where scrolling can feel like
7:11
connecting, and where we often
7:13
overlook the fact that building a
7:16
helpful community for ourselves is
7:18
not a numbers game. Rather,
7:20
it's based on the quality and
7:22
the depth of our relationships.
7:25
Think of the common pareto principle,
7:27
where 20% of our connections yield
7:29
80% of the results. But for
7:31
this to work, we have to know why we're
7:33
reaching out, have a goal, and do your
7:35
homework. A strong first impression
7:37
comes from stronger preparation. Take
7:39
this message from Talley, for
7:42
example. She was looking for a
7:44
remote job in community building
7:46
and identified me as someone who
7:48
could help her. But rather than
7:50
jump right in, Talie did her research
7:52
on what mattered to me. and then
7:54
she tailored her outreach authentically. This
7:56
worked, and I ended up getting on a
7:58
call with her. What also can
8:00
work is sharing what you liked
8:02
about a recent presentation they gave,
8:04
or an article they wrote, as
8:07
a way of showing genuine interest.
8:09
And, you can use AI and large
8:11
language models as a way of doing
8:13
efficient research for you. Just
8:16
remember, it's a tool for
8:18
personalization, not a silver bullet. Tip
8:20
number two. Don't make it about you.
8:22
Dale Carnegie famously said, you
8:24
can make more friends in two
8:26
months by being interested in other
8:28
people. than you can in two years
8:30
by trying to get other people interested
8:33
in you. Think about that for a minute.
8:35
When you receive a message, you want to
8:37
feel like you're the ideal recipient for
8:39
that message, not just one of many.
8:41
So, include a clear purpose, a call
8:43
to action, and if you can, make
8:45
that person feel special. Talie also did
8:47
this very well in the second part
8:49
of her message to me. She asked for
8:52
a call about my career journey. So this
8:54
is great for two reasons. First, she asked
8:56
clearly for what she wanted, for what she
8:58
wanted. the call and second she
9:00
made it about my experience which
9:03
makes it real easy to say yes
9:05
because i don't need to prepare to
9:07
talk about myself i hear complaints
9:10
from friends all the time that
9:12
get messages with no purpose the
9:14
message literally just says hello
9:16
or i would like to connect full
9:19
stop that's the whole message because
9:21
the sender is thinking well i'll get
9:23
to the real point once they
9:25
respond don't do this with no compelling
9:28
reason for that person to reply,
9:30
it's likely you won't get that second
9:32
chance. Tip number three, become a
9:34
familiar face. A few years ago, I discovered
9:36
a woman online named Anna. Anna
9:38
had created a community globally for
9:41
women in tech. This is a topic
9:43
that I'm personally very passionate about,
9:45
and at the time, I was looking
9:47
to take my experience from a local
9:49
to a global level of support. And
9:51
so I started to comment on Anna's
9:53
posts, hoping she would recognize who I
9:56
was who I was. Eventually,
9:58
when I reached out to offer my ex- As
10:00
an MC, and I was happy to connect,
10:02
she had recognized me. And since
10:04
that call, I now host their annual conference
10:07
introducing top executives from companies
10:09
like Google, meta, and Microsoft.
10:11
In order to boost your
10:14
visibility and those chances of new
10:16
connections, try to become a familiar
10:18
face to the right people. So you can go
10:20
right to their content and engage with
10:22
it like I did. Or you
10:24
can join online communities groups and
10:26
forums where you can share your
10:29
expertise. and identify some of those
10:31
right people for you. And when you
10:33
can, tag people relevant to the
10:35
discussion as well. When you're
10:38
a connector, people start to
10:40
think really highly of you, and
10:42
they also begin to recommend you
10:44
for opportunities in return.
10:46
And remember, the goal of
10:49
networking, even when it's online,
10:51
is to avoid invisibility. Begin
10:53
building these relationships now,
10:56
so that they're ready when you
10:58
need them. Tip number four,
11:00
bring in person online. Right now,
11:02
we are in an era where your networking
11:04
is not done when the event is.
11:06
In fact, at that time, our connections
11:09
are still very light. So, we
11:11
must follow up afterwards. And when
11:13
we do, make sure to include
11:15
specifics about what you bonded over,
11:17
or even just how you were
11:19
standing in the coffee line when
11:21
you met. And bonus tip. Take
11:23
a picture at the event with them.
11:25
and then send it after as a
11:27
way of solidifying that memory of who you
11:30
are. It does not have to be a perfect
11:32
picture, but I'll tell you, I
11:34
will not forget Zvelle and now we
11:36
bonded over podcasting at a speaker retreat
11:38
and took this picture while we were
11:40
surrounded by deer. You can also take this
11:43
a step further, or rather, back, before you
11:45
go to a conference or a new
11:47
city. Start teeing up opportunities in
11:49
advance, sending carefully crafted
11:51
messages to people that you want
11:53
to meet while you're there. I
11:55
did this in Prague where before
11:57
I left I sent one wealth
12:00
crafted message to a then stranger
12:02
on LinkedIn and it landed me
12:04
speaking at the Czechia Chamber of
12:06
Commerce and to a great local tour
12:08
guide as well. Just remember those
12:11
tips one and two, do your research
12:13
first and then share how you can help
12:15
them while you're in town. Tip
12:17
number five, lose the emogies and
12:19
be thoughtful. Listen, I know. Sending
12:21
off a quick emoji response is demptingly
12:23
easy. I have to stop myself
12:26
from doing it too, I get it. Or
12:28
we get a new connection
12:30
request? And right away, when it
12:32
comes through, we're thinking, okay, now
12:34
I can sell to them, ask
12:36
for something, take! Okay, slow it down.
12:39
Let's think of it this way.
12:41
Online conversation is like
12:43
playing digital tennis. If we
12:45
just smack the ball over the
12:48
net without aiming, we're likely to
12:50
miss the mark. But if we really
12:52
stop and position ourselves.
12:54
To try and understand where our
12:57
partner is coming from, we
12:59
can serve back something meaningful.
13:01
A thought, a question, or
13:04
even well-timed feedback. The art
13:06
of conversation thrives on back and
13:08
forth, back and forth, not just
13:10
back. So, next time you're tempted
13:13
to jump right in with your
13:15
needs, or just shoot off a
13:17
quick emode your reaction, ask yourself,
13:20
did I give them something they can
13:22
return? Tip number six. Follow-up,
13:24
or fail. In Keith Perazzi's
13:27
book, Never Eat Alone, we
13:29
learn that 80% of building
13:31
and maintaining relationships is simply
13:33
staying in touch. We can do
13:35
this easily. Send a quick
13:38
DM, a text message, an email,
13:40
or be generous online. So follow,
13:42
retreat, comment, share. Or take a
13:45
talk like this one, for example.
13:47
Do you know someone who
13:49
could benefit from tips like
13:51
these ones? Share helpful resources
13:53
with people in your network as a
13:56
way of saying I'm thinking of you,
13:58
but with something that's... and
14:00
supportive. And I will say this
14:02
slowly, as it is paramount.
14:04
The worst thing you can do
14:06
is not respond once someone
14:08
has connected with you or
14:11
answered your questions. We must
14:13
say thank you and close off
14:15
the conversation for the time
14:18
being. This way there's space to
14:20
come back and open up that
14:22
relationship again down the
14:24
road. And finally, the key is
14:26
to just start. Remember.
14:28
We all come from the same place,
14:30
naked and with no connections. And
14:33
like us, they're just people on
14:35
the other side of that screen.
14:37
And the more that we craft
14:39
strong outreach and we get a
14:42
positive response, the easier that it
14:44
becomes. And the more exciting it
14:46
becomes too, as our communities
14:48
grow and the opportunities along
14:51
with it. So, let's do this. Think
14:53
of someone you've been wanting
14:55
to connect with. Someone
14:57
who can help you achieve your
14:59
goals. Someone who can
15:01
give you the critical feedback
15:04
that you've been looking for.
15:06
Or maybe just that person
15:08
you've been meaning to follow
15:11
up with. Think of only one.
15:13
I challenge you. Reach out to
15:15
that person today. You're ready
15:18
to make meaningful connections
15:21
online right now. Thank you.
15:28
That was Margo Miller at TEDx
15:31
Winnipeg. To me, one of the
15:33
most important things Margo says in
15:35
this talk is that having a
15:37
meaningful presence online does not mean
15:40
having a bunch of followers. Not
15:42
everyone needs to be an influencer.
15:44
We've all heard that it's about
15:47
quality, not quantity. And the same
15:49
is true for online communication. Quality
15:51
means caring about the needs of
15:53
the person receiving your email. So
15:56
how can you make your
15:58
message specific to them? All right, let's
16:00
do something together. Right now, I want
16:02
you to identify a person you don't
16:05
know very well who you've been meaning to
16:07
email but have been procrastinating. Now,
16:09
this email doesn't have to be
16:11
a question for someone or an
16:13
ask of them. Maybe there's someone's
16:15
work you've always appreciated and
16:18
you want to express a genuine
16:20
sentiment of admiration. Maybe it's
16:22
someone who you recently ran into and
16:24
want to follow up with. We all
16:27
have those nagging emails hanging
16:29
out in the drafts folder,
16:31
or we have that mental
16:33
drafts folder in our head.
16:35
And since this episode is almost
16:38
over, can you please finish
16:40
that draft after the credits
16:43
using the tips that Margo
16:45
outlined in this talk? You
16:47
don't have to send your email,
16:49
but who knows? Maybe you will.
16:52
That's it for today. Ted Business
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is part of the TED
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audio collective. This episode was
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produced by Hannah Kinkley Ma,
17:01
edited by Alejanza Salazar, and
17:03
fact-checked by Julia Dexton. Special
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thanks to Maria Laddius,
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Ferra de Grunge, Daniela
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