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We talk SVU true crime.

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Sometimes we have celebrity guests. Sometimes

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we just keep on talking like they're

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not here, and guess what, the episodes end up

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being longer. Still, so that's

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that's the truth. That's the truth

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here. That's Messed Up. Obviously

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we chit chat up top.

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I don't know. I have nothing, Like what do I

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meant for me?

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I want to lay in my bed, Like I just want to be well

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moistorized and in my bed.

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And that's laptop

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burning my chest.

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And yeah, and a joint

1:06

burning my lungs and that's what I

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want.

1:09

And that's your Christmas miracle. Yeah.

1:13

Well, because my parents don't even know what a podcast

1:15

is, I will say I'm going to surprise them this

1:18

New Year's Oh

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yeah, I'm gonna fly on home.

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You that's cute.

1:23

Because that's like your family's thing. You guys love New Year's

1:25

together. We do, and we like so I

1:28

like being a surprise. We like surprising

1:30

each other with physical bodies

1:32

arriving and not arrived.

1:33

Yes, And one.

1:34

Year we were we were like at Bucky's

1:37

and I think you bought your whole family matching like sweatshirts

1:39

or something, or T shirts or something to wear on New

1:42

Year's together.

1:43

So yeah, we have like historic

1:45

photos, like one year we all wore ties,

1:48

one year we all wore like

1:50

pajamas from Thailand. One

1:53

year we all dressed like singers or

1:56

like celebrities because I think I was trying to

1:58

be Gwyneth Paltrow that year the Oscars.

2:02

So we yeah, we've like done themes.

2:05

I love that.

2:06

I'm sorry to Tangent, but the way you just said

2:08

singer reminded me of because

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I'm a singer. And did

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you hear this thing that

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a priest let Sabrina Carpenter

2:19

shoot a video in his church and

2:22

because of that, it

2:25

led to the discovery that he gave

2:27

two million dollars to one of Eric Adams's

2:29

guys in New York City, like to Eric

2:32

Adams Kingmaker as they say, which

2:34

is like, I think, just a go like a guy who

2:36

works for him and makes things happen for him. But

2:39

like this was in the cut, did

2:41

like twenty five Things to Love about New York

2:44

or something like that, and this was

2:46

one of the things.

2:47

I saw that, but I didn't dig deeper, and I

2:50

am curious how Like so then

2:52

the accountant or someone

2:54

recognized the church and the video, Like

2:56

what was it that

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got found out?

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Like? How is what? I'm curious.

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He's being accused of mishandling two million

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dollars in parish funds

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and he made unauthorized financial

3:08

transfers to a former aid in Eric Adams

3:10

administration, which is now under federal

3:12

corruption probe. This is going to be a miss view

3:15

episode, I know.

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Oh my god. Also, wait, I'll say another

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thing that happened like today.

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I think it all started on Halloween,

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Carpenter released the music video for her song

3:24

Feather, which takes place partially in a Brooklyn

3:26

church. Okay, so a

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bishop saw it and was like appalled

3:31

that it had been filmed in a church, probably because Sabrina's

3:33

you know, looking hot. It doesn't

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follow their policy regarding

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filming on church property and

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they were supposed to have like a review of the scenes

3:43

in the script or something. I think

3:45

because he didn't comply with like the parish's

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video filming policy or whatever.

3:50

They looked into more shit that he was doing, and they

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found that he had given this two million dollars

3:55

to the Mayor of New York's person,

3:58

and the Mayor of New York is like under a lot of scrutiny

4:00

for corruption and like not being not

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being a great guy.

4:05

But he made.

4:06

Any statements about it.

4:08

I don't think so. I mean,

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I don't think so. But she did wear a shirt

4:13

to Coachella that says Jesus was a carpenter,

4:16

okay earlier

4:19

this year. But yeah, I don't know. I

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don't think Sabrina has said anything.

4:23

But I just keeping hearing how many pop stars

4:26

have stuff with the church, because now I'm thinking about Katie

4:28

Perry, you know, stealing the nuns home as

4:31

like this is so funny. I wonder where Madonna

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filmed her like a prayer music video.

4:36

It's so funny how the same things are offensive

4:39

for decades, like nothing ever changes.

4:41

People are just still mad.

4:43

At anyone being remotely slutty, and

4:45

like, oh, Jesus, Yes is everything.

4:47

I don't know it so weird.

4:48

You want to hear some cute school

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gossip from Rosie. So

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you last year so graciously

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sat with Oscar for like forty

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five minutes to an hour.

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I went and watched Rosie's.

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Very gracious, so gracious,

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very demure of you and

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you. So they're doing it again this

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year, like another performance, but

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this year Rosie's in the dual language, so

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they're doing All I Want for Christmas is you?

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In Spanish?

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Toto loke kioto ries too

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right, And it's the

5:21

exact same words as the English

5:24

thing.

5:24

It's just in Spanish. Oh okay, it's

5:26

just in Spanish.

5:27

Like they're like, they don't change the meaning really

5:29

like you know, because sometimes they'll change the meaning a

5:31

little bit so that the words fit better, like you

5:33

know, lyrically. But a couple,

5:36

like one mom in our class

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is saying that it's inappropriate for kindergarteners,

5:42

and we're all like looking at the lyrics. I'm like, look, I don't speak

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Spanish, but I'm like reading the Spanish being

5:46

like, I mean, I read enough Spanish to

5:48

be like, I don't think there's anything sexual

5:50

in here, everything's like I want to be close to

5:52

you. I want to put my arms around you. There's

5:54

like one part about lips or something,

5:57

and I'm like, there's

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a kiss in every Disney movie, Like I just

6:02

don't think this is inappropriate. And she

6:04

basically put it in our group being like does

6:06

everybody think this? Doesn't everybody think this is a little bit inappropriate?

6:10

And this is not even like the kind

6:12

of lady that makes a lot of problems, like you know what I

6:14

mean, this is not a Karen. And

6:17

everybody was like no, like nobody

6:19

answered, and the few people that did answer were like

6:21

no. And she's brought it to the principal

6:24

today and it's like making the teachers lives

6:26

miserable because they're just trying to teach these

6:28

kids a very complicated song in

6:30

Spanish and she keeps complaining

6:32

and they keep thinking that they have to change it, but like

6:35

it's.

6:35

One bitch, So I hope it doesn't work. I

6:37

know it's on you, like you want your kid

6:40

out of there, it's not yeah, don't let them

6:42

do the performance. Then my fifth

6:44

grade teacher wouldn't let us

6:46

do Barbie Girl, Barbie,

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I'm a Barbie, Yeah, Barbie girl. He said it was

6:50

inappropriate, and it's like, we're ten, we don't

6:52

know that. Let us do the Barbie song.

6:54

You fucking I can't listen to the Barbie song all

6:57

the time. They've never been like, what does

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undress me wear mean?

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You know what I mean?

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Like, they don't. They don't know

7:04

we're putting that on them. You're putting

7:06

that on them? Is like me and this other one we're talking about

7:08

this morning. We're like, you're the one giving

7:10

your kids these ideas. Because then Rosie comes home

7:12

and goes, yeah, I think we're changing the song because

7:14

somebody said it's inappropriate, and I was like, no,

7:17

I think the song is staying.

7:18

It's not inappropriate anyway.

7:20

It's a full, it's a full so

7:23

annoying drama, but I'm sure they're

7:25

gonna end up doing it.

7:26

Oh my god, but it is Christmas Eve. Everyone's

7:28

stirring even a mouse. No, yeah,

7:31

I know that's not how the real story

7:33

goes. But what

7:37

am I doing Christmas Eve? I'm hopefully getting

7:39

drunk at the cellar and doing

7:41

spots for the Jews in town and

7:44

the people with no family. So we'll

7:46

see or and some European

7:48

tourists. I'm sure. Yeah,

7:51

so I'm really excited for that Christmas Day

7:53

classic American vibes with friends

7:55

in New York City, And

7:58

yeah, I'm excited. I did see one

8:00

movie in my one of the streamers

8:03

called Surviving Christmas, and

8:06

I've never even heard of it or seen

8:08

anything. But Ben Affleck's like a lonely, weird

8:10

millionaire and he pays James Gandolfini

8:13

two hundred and fifty thousand dollars to stay

8:15

with his family and his

8:17

old childhood home and do.

8:18

Whatever he says.

8:20

Wait why because

8:22

he's lonely. He wants

8:24

story live the magic of his youth.

8:26

And it's Catherine O'Hara and Christina

8:29

Applegate also in it. I've

8:31

never heard of this. Yeah,

8:34

the star studded, what's going on?

8:37

I mean, it is weird.

8:40

It's weird. It's just weird. It's like weird

8:42

that it didn't even become like a funny haha,

8:44

bad movie, you know, like, and James Gandolfini

8:47

is like beloved.

8:48

So I don't know,

8:51

well, I saw. My goal is to watch it

8:53

this holiday season.

8:54

I think you can accomplish that, and I really

8:56

want to know. Well. The first review I'm seeing

8:59

is this was a really tough watch.

9:05

Oh man, all

9:09

right, so you know you're not supposed to be a bitch,

9:11

right, but can I just tell you? So

9:15

my TV's not working, like I came back

9:17

from a town. It's like shaken up about like

9:19

it's just it's glitchy. It's just

9:21

not work. It doesn't work. I can call best Buy. They're

9:24

like, listen, and then one time, you don't

9:26

buy the fucking warranty, right, But they go,

9:28

you have a manufacturing warranty for up to

9:30

a year, so just call Roku. So

9:32

I call Roku and the woman's like, no, you got to call best

9:34

spy. I go, absolutely not. Best By told me to call

9:36

you. I have a one year thing, Like I don't know what to tell.

9:39

And then I go, give me a supervisor. I go, I'm not dealing

9:41

with you. I go give me a supervisor. Supervisor

9:44

gets on. He I send him the video and then

9:46

he tries to let me think it's like the

9:48

electricity. I go, well, no, sir,

9:50

everything else is connected to the same electricity

9:53

and it's working fine. And then he goes, you're

9:55

right, it's a hardware issue. We'll send you a new

9:57

TV. In three to seven days. Ah,

10:02

So it's just like, what the fuck? So

10:04

if I wasn't annoying, I would

10:06

I never call Best Buy and then go back

10:09

and it's like, what are we teaching me?

10:10

I just don't get it. People are like,

10:12

don't be a Karen. But then like, there

10:14

are certain situations where if you do not keep

10:17

asking for the manager, asking for the next level

10:19

of person, you do not get anything.

10:21

Like I had to get a fucking my

10:24

solar panels, I had to get a lean removed

10:26

all this stuff. I went on Reddit and they were like, you

10:28

need to keep asking for a manager or you're not

10:30

gonna get anywhere. And that's what I did, and I finally

10:32

got what I had to get done. Like but

10:35

then people are like, oh, you're this bitch,

10:37

You're this Karen.

10:37

It's like, I don't know.

10:39

If I just listened to her, I would have

10:41

called Best Spy. They would have been no, called Roku bat

10:43

like cause then I told the guy I go, and I've been told

10:46

to the superrisor go, And now you want me to call Best

10:48

Bike and he goes, no, you don't have to. It's some manufacturing

10:50

warrantcy like you called the right place, and it's like

10:53

then what what rigamarole is going on

10:55

here?

10:56

And I don't you feel bad for people that like

10:58

are more shy or maybe don't speak English

11:01

or like you know, there's like harder like ways

11:03

to communicate and be forceful.

11:05

It's like it sucks. Do your

11:07

job. What do you fucking get?

11:08

Maybe they get punished if they give away free TVs and

11:10

it's like I didn't want a free TV. I want this TV

11:12

to work, or I thought someone would fix it, because

11:14

now I have to have someone take it off the

11:16

wall mount, you know, like yeah, I

11:18

would have rather you guys fixed it.

11:20

I didn't need a it doesn't

11:23

you were saying it doesn't turn on at all?

11:25

Well, and then if you plug it out and then back

11:27

in, it's like per I mean I could

11:29

show you the eight second video that I oh if I threw

11:31

my phone away, but it's just like, yeah,

11:33

it's not working.

11:35

Okay, Well no, because

11:37

I was gonna say like like, yeah, if

11:39

it was, you know, that's that sucks. If it

11:41

was, Oh, I don't know. I was like, if

11:43

it's partially working, someone will take it.

11:45

Like if you wanted to, like you do buy nothing

11:47

or something because like I would I've given away when

11:50

Oscar.

11:50

Threw the phone at my TV.

11:52

It had like a full bars on the side, and I like put

11:54

it on a group and people were like, I'll think bye nothing

11:57

group.

11:57

Is truly like a TLC show for

11:59

the you know what I mean, It's.

12:01

Funny that you said that because I was talking to Scotty

12:04

Landis last night, who

12:06

the host of Bananas. I was talking to him

12:08

and Bridger, the host of I said no gifts, and

12:11

I was like telling them about buying nothing groups,

12:13

and they go, this sounds like a script, this sounds like a TV

12:15

show, like these people, and I was telling them about all these specific

12:17

people with like I was giving their

12:19

names of people that live in my neighborhood. I'm like, this guy came

12:22

to my house for a half a bag of ice. He came within five

12:24

minutes this morning, the day after I

12:26

said last week, the day after Thanksgiving, I

12:28

had a pie and I had four loose potatoes.

12:30

I put it up.

12:31

It was they were out of the house before Jared woke up.

12:33

Like, I'm using the buy nothing big

12:36

time.

12:36

Baby.

12:37

I love it. I mean, it makes me just feel good

12:39

to not throw things away. I think to like know someone

12:41

else is getting good use out of it, so it's really

12:44

it's really for me.

12:45

Yeah no, I mean if the half bag of ice

12:47

is wasted, you know, it really is.

12:51

So the half bag of ice not as much.

12:53

But I was like, hey, anyone having a party soon,

12:55

Like I've got a half a bag of like that big bags

12:57

of ice, you know, but you know

13:00

you're just helping neighbors.

13:01

You're just doing doing the uh mister

13:03

rogers of it all?

13:05

Yeah, but yeah,

13:07

I Christmas Eve, I don't know. I imagine

13:09

when this episode comes out, I'll be frantically

13:11

wrapping a bunch of shit I ordered from Amazon

13:14

for my children.

13:15

Wait do you know yet?

13:16

Or but for them it's easy because they want so

13:19

many things, right or it's

13:21

okay.

13:21

So easy, like the only problem will be

13:23

like don't order too much. Like I sometimes I'm

13:25

like, is that enough? Like you know, it's

13:27

like you want the bottom of the tree to look like

13:30

big and like like impressive

13:33

when they come out, But it's like we're doing it here. It's

13:35

not like they're getting a bunch of different presents from different

13:37

family members and stuff, so it's like they

13:39

don't really need more than four gifts each,

13:41

like they have so much shit, but I'm probably

13:43

gonna get more, you know, but I want to get in

13:45

books and like stuff like I'll get them some like used

13:47

stuff probably that they.

13:48

Won't notice is used.

13:49

And then a couple of nice things from the

13:52

Amazon catalog. The only thing Oscar keeps talking

13:54

about, which I haven't even looked at the catalog, is a

13:57

unicorn that shoots comfetti.

13:58

He's like, I want that, That's all I want.

14:00

Santa better bring me this unicorn that shoots cood putty like

14:02

he's obsessed. So hopefully

14:04

that's in the catalog and easy to find. Unlike

14:07

the dinosaur that shoots toys out of its mouth, which

14:09

was what Rosi asked for two Christmases ago and is not a

14:11

real thing. It's like a thing she invented in her mind and I

14:13

had to find something that fitted, but

14:16

I did.

14:17

Anyway, I know, I wish we

14:19

can, like you

14:21

know, I'm gonna have to wait a long time to know how it

14:24

all goes goes down. I mean, are you excited

14:26

to do an La Christmas? Are you going to the show

14:29

the next day? We were going to the

14:31

puppet show earlier in the month. But

14:33

I am really excited for Christmas

14:35

in La. Like people leave town. There's

14:37

no traffic, the weather's nice. We're

14:40

taking the kids to some huge

14:42

like light bright installation that's happening.

14:45

Did you do light bright when you were a kid?

14:46

No, Well, the

14:49

kids like love that, Like a lot of kids museums

14:51

now have like light bright esque shit, and

14:53

so there's some big thing in Santa Monica.

14:55

I want to take them to the long Beach Canals if

14:57

you can.

14:58

You can like go on these canals and look at all these lights

15:00

that people do. I keep seeing these tiktoks

15:03

of like the best La light displays,

15:05

and like some of the neighborhoods are like

15:07

hour an hour away, but I'm

15:09

gonna try to find one that's closer and like take them on a

15:11

little light thing. I don't know what else,

15:14

but it's gonna be a long ass break, so we'll see.

15:16

I'm probably gonna go. But my in laws are coming also

15:19

for a week, so oh they

15:21

are, yeah, exciting. Here

15:24

Santa Claus, Here comes Santa

15:26

Claus. My you know, my kids call their grandfather

15:28

Vanilla for no reason. They just started calling him

15:30

Vanilla. So they're just like Oh my god,

15:33

Grammy and Vanilla are coming. We're so excited.

15:35

It's like Oscar started

15:38

doing it one day on FaceTime out of nowhere. He's like,

15:40

hi, Vanilla. The only thing I can think of is my father

15:42

in law has white hair. Maybe it like looks like Vanilla

15:44

ice cream. Like I don't know why doesn't, but it

15:47

was just like a grown man with a full life,

15:49

and suddenly now you're Vanilla.

15:51

Are not wild? Yeah yeah,

15:54

Vanilla.

15:55

So Grammy and Vanilla will be in town, and

15:59

I'm excited to not have to fly

16:02

and like go anywhere, but like I'll

16:04

miss my fan but like you know, it's,

16:06

uh, this is kind of we do every other year

16:08

back East, and then every other year everybody kind

16:10

of scatters to their people. So

16:13

I think, like my sister will be in New Jersey and my

16:15

brother will be in Ohio and YadA YadA.

16:17

But uh yeah,

16:19

oh that makes sense.

16:21

Yeah yeah, and like because sometimes they'll

16:23

strawitch it up with with like Thanksgiving

16:26

and stuff. But I can't see myself

16:28

really ever traveling for Thanksgiving. Like you said, three

16:30

days is perfect and that's just not

16:33

that's just like too much to do with the like four

16:35

of us, especially with the airlines

16:37

killing us on flights.

16:40

But let's uh, you know, off

16:42

of this.

16:43

I think it's funny by the way that we are doing

16:45

this episode game like right

16:47

at Christmas when people are probably giving

16:49

like tons of video games to people like

16:52

and it's like the biggest time of the year.

16:54

I feel like for gamers to.

16:55

Like get games, but a lot of people do like games

16:57

where they're a little elf and they're like, you know,

16:59

achieving dreams in the forest. Not

17:01

everyone is shooting them.

17:03

Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure, for

17:05

sure achieving dream

17:09

Rosie's like already getting into Minecraft and I

17:11

like want to die, But I guess they're

17:14

actually just like architecture. Yeah,

17:16

and it's it's educational Minecraft,

17:18

Like they let them play it at school for like three

17:21

minutes at the end of the day because it's got

17:23

it's got problem solving and building and stuff.

17:25

So I love For three months, I was like, whatever,

17:27

it's like for three minutes. Like they're on the iPad total

17:30

for forty five minutes a week, so it's not thank

17:32

you. Also, by the way, to everybody who wrote to me asking

17:35

me to read The Anxious Generation, I already

17:37

have.

17:37

I already have it.

17:38

And I'm already I've already forming my plan

17:41

for my children's getting my children phones.

17:42

So what does it say that you're gonna do?

17:45

Like what did you learn or like or.

17:47

Well, I'm I'm pretty close to the beginning

17:49

of the book. But the main things, the main takeaways

17:52

were no phones until freshman

17:54

year, no phones until ninth grade. You

17:57

can before that do flip phones or little watches

17:59

that text or whatever, but like nothing that gets on

18:01

the internet before ninth grade. And then

18:04

no social media till sixteen, which, by the way,

18:06

Australia just outlawed social media under

18:08

sixteen.

18:10

No phones in school. And

18:13

there's like one more.

18:14

Thing that I always forget that's like the big takeaway,

18:16

but it's pretty much all stuff that could

18:18

be easily done if all parents just did it. Like if people

18:20

just didn't give their kids a phone when they were

18:23

seven, then there wouldn't be your kid

18:25

wouldn't be coming home going well, Susie has a phone,

18:27

you know, So.

18:28

Yeah, fuck Susie, Yeah, fuck

18:30

that little Susie.

18:32

But anyway, hopefully you guys are not all

18:34

wrapping cell phones right now for your

18:36

five year olds and you're having a very

18:38

merry Christmas.

18:40

And let's get on the way

18:43

festive.

18:44

Yeah, and then now we're gonna just take

18:46

you if you happen to be listening to us while you're ropping

18:48

presents, or maybe you're going on a walk to escape

18:50

your family. There, we're just going to take you through

18:52

a brutal crime an

18:55

a sociopath. So here we go.

19:02

Okay, we're gonna do the episode

19:04

game today. And I always

19:06

forget what this is and then it starts, and then

19:08

I remember, I don't know, it's not it's

19:10

not in my like, I

19:13

don't think about this one a lot.

19:15

I for me, this one

19:17

I've seen so many times.

19:19

It's just like I don't know why

19:21

it's just come up on my USA

19:24

Network marathons, Like it's just one of

19:26

the ones I've seen so many times

19:28

that like, even when it's

19:31

when it was happening, I was like, I like remember

19:33

lines from this, like I remember actual

19:35

things people.

19:36

Are about to say. Oh yeah,

19:38

so it's.

19:39

Crazy, Season six, episode

19:41

fourteen, And okay,

19:44

so we start out there's a woman walking, she's

19:46

alone on a street. It's

19:49

trouble and she's giving me

19:51

Miley Cyrus vibes during the climb

19:53

Slash can't be tamed Era, but

19:56

she is a grown woman. So she's like walking

19:58

on a cell phone and while

20:00

she's on the phone, a black car comes just speeding

20:03

down the street, straight up runs into her.

20:06

She tries to grab her cell phone to get help,

20:08

but the footsteps are now approaching her. She's

20:10

crawling, she's struggling, and she struggles

20:13

right into Finn and Stabler on the on

20:15

the crime scene, a real flash

20:18

forward situation.

20:19

This woman was in her twenties. Life's

20:22

been tough on her.

20:23

Okay, no

20:27

id, no purse, but we saw one

20:30

earlier, so we know the purse was taken.

20:32

And then she was run over and then

20:34

Stabler asks and Finn is like, oh,

20:36

this is the first hit and run and rape

20:39

I've ever seen. So

20:41

basically, the car drove up a sidewalk to hit

20:43

her, knocked her down. There's a trail of blood

20:45

and its smeared, so she was like getting dragged. She didn't

20:48

get far and then she's covered

20:50

in a sheet, so now we know she's dead. She's

20:52

now also naked. We did not meet her naked,

20:54

so they took her clothes and purse beat

20:56

her to death.

20:58

She's m nightmare.

21:00

The nine one one call was an

21:02

anonymous call, and so

21:04

we need to like figure out who called.

21:07

Munch is in the office and he's

21:09

with like the nine to one one operators,

21:11

and that's pretty exciting.

21:13

He's in the room.

21:14

We find out it's from a payphone uptown

21:16

a quarter after midnight, and

21:18

we're looking for the call.

21:19

We're looking for a call. It's a man.

21:21

So the boy Brigade, Finns, Stabler

21:23

and Munch are listening to the call and it sounds

21:25

like a cop because they're using the language.

21:28

It's like, call a bus. They're like, that's a cop.

21:30

Yeah.

21:30

If you're a cop trying to do some business,

21:33

don't say call a bus, that's sure.

21:36

And if you're trying to frame a cop, say call

21:38

a bus. Yeah. But the

21:40

call happened on the Upper east Side, so it's like, how

21:42

did that happen? This This all took place way

21:44

downtown. So Stabler goes, well, maybe

21:47

he ran her over, who fucking knows.

21:49

But it goes straight to the credits with no information

21:51

to be had, and now

21:54

we're on the clear board in the middle of the precinct,

21:56

gruesome photos of the scene. The

21:58

Emmy has the DNA, so there's

22:01

tons of fluids, so we'll see what's up. There's

22:03

also a lot of black and pink fragments. We

22:05

got to see what that is. And now Benson

22:08

comes in with info about figuring out

22:10

like which cop it was and who called nine one one,

22:12

and Stabler's like, listen, whoever did

22:15

this is on PCP or it's personal because

22:17

this is so aggressive, And then Craigan

22:19

asks Benson, when's the homicide

22:22

course start?

22:23

And yeah, so I think this is.

22:25

Her maternity leave era as

22:27

August was born, so it

22:30

starts. Yeah, so she goes, oh, it started

22:32

two hours ago, and we never see her again.

22:34

So I love this kind of schedule. She

22:37

comes in and has a meeting, a battered women, a

22:39

conference conference, a homicide

22:42

event, whatever it is.

22:45

She's out.

22:46

So but we got something on the payphone, but there's

22:48

so many prints, but the

22:50

caller wiped the phone but then

22:52

left a perfect print on the disconnect

22:55

button and it's a ten point match

22:57

to an NYPD officer, and

23:00

thanks to our little sexy crime tech

23:02

o'hallerin, we have the name. His

23:04

name's Tony Nasadorin and that's

23:06

our caller. But he, unfortunately

23:09

right now, is on a joint terrorism Task Force,

23:12

and his rep is like, we can't risk blowing

23:14

his cover, Like he can't, No one can know he

23:17

made that call. This is the most

23:19

you're gonna get, and the FEDS

23:21

are gonna be pissed that even told you this much. But

23:24

he's saying he didn't see anything. She's sorry,

23:26

but she has to look at the bigger picture

23:29

and she's not gonna help. Sailor's pleading

23:31

like, please, this is all we have. She agrees

23:34

to help, and she says this cannot

23:36

go public or be used in trial

23:38

though, and Craigan does agree to those terms,

23:41

and we're at a walk and talk. She's explaining

23:43

that they're working on a crooked

23:45

Filipino businessman who wires

23:48

funds to charities in the Far East

23:50

that support terrorist groups. So that's

23:52

what we're looking for, and we don't really get

23:55

a lot of Filipino storylines, so I'm

23:57

kind of excited. And they go to an

23:59

under cover apartment. There's satellites and

24:01

tripods, so you know, there's a lot of secrets

24:04

and work going on, and we

24:07

find out our caller and we're like, so,

24:09

what does this Filipino man have to do with the case?

24:11

Tony answers that they tapped all his phones

24:13

and they caught him having a conversation with one of his employees.

24:16

So the girl that he was talking to

24:19

is an employee, and she's a working girl.

24:21

He is a pimp, she is an escort.

24:23

He's claiming no sex, no sex anyways, Okay,

24:25

I'm getting out of myself. So but the whole

24:27

attack is fucking recorded on this call because

24:29

that's who she was talking to, arranging a ride

24:32

from seeing one of the johns. So,

24:34

because all the phones were tapped

24:36

and recorded, Tony like

24:39

heard the whole call and then the phone flew

24:41

over and so he was hearing the whole attack happen.

24:44

And he is a good investigator,

24:46

I think, and does care. So he's like, I knew I had to

24:48

do something. It went bad. Fan hates

24:50

this fucking pimp and is like, I can't believe

24:52

he wouldn't even help his own girl out, Like this

24:54

is scum. We get the name of the

24:56

pamp, Eddie Shaw. So they enter Eddie's

24:59

office and he lies about being a pimp. But what

25:01

are you gonna do? Yes, I'm a pimp officer. No, So

25:05

he said, they're smart and respectable and

25:07

it's all about companionship, and they

25:09

threaten him with everything. They're

25:11

like, we're gonna get I NS on, you irs,

25:14

vice everything. So he agrees to talk pretty

25:16

quickly, so we find out her name.

25:18

Her name is Melody Quinn.

25:19

And then they also go

25:21

to arrest him, and then they also want a list

25:24

of all the clients. So Stabler approaches

25:26

one of the clients who's entering a cab and is

25:28

just like, were you screwing this woman last night?

25:33

And then we're talking to an old man and now a business

25:35

guy. You know, it's just like we're going through a

25:37

mirage of John's and they all had sex with her,

25:39

but none of them have a sports car.

25:41

Well enough, you could

25:43

say a mirage of John's, which I love. I

25:45

think you meant a collage. But mirage of

25:48

John's is great too, like a mirage

25:50

that disappears in the in the in

25:52

the desert.

25:53

Yeah, I'm okay with what I said.

25:55

Yeah, so so they all

25:57

but they all say that they you know,

25:59

they did not hit her, and you know, they're like,

26:01

where was she? They're you know, they're just

26:03

so then now that we've met all these

26:05

clients and there's all this sex it's like, well

26:07

she raped or is this just workges And

26:10

so they have to figure that out, and

26:12

for some wild reason, Kathy

26:14

drops Dickie.

26:15

Off at the office, like

26:19

because he's a twin.

26:20

So if Dickie had some sort of off day

26:22

at school, so would his twin.

26:25

Yeah, Elizabeth had piano.

26:27

I guess, I don't know.

26:28

We never know anything about Elizabeth, so I don't know

26:30

what she's doing. Maybe they don't.

26:31

And Kathy was so fed up it's like, just take

26:33

Dickie. I'm out of here, like I

26:36

I don't I don't get And then he's

26:38

like fully looking at the crime scene photos. It's just

26:40

the bloodiest crime scene of this woman.

26:42

Dickie's there, no wonder

26:44

he went nuts, you know what I mean, being

26:47

open to all of this, just looking at a bloody woman.

26:49

But he's asking questions about the case. It's a real

26:52

you know, follow your dad to work day. But

26:54

the kid's about to actually crack the case with all

26:56

these all these questions because

26:59

he guesses that this is all based on a video

27:01

game called Intensity spelled

27:04

nten City.

27:07

So as like C I T Y in

27:09

ten CIT.

27:10

Which I didn't notice until this viewing

27:12

because I had my captions on, but

27:15

normally I never I've been hearing about intensity

27:17

for years.

27:18

Through this episode, I never knew was spelled like that,

27:21

but.

27:21

I know it's uh,

27:23

it is silly. Intense City

27:26

is silly. I wrote

27:28

ha haha afterwards because I did like the

27:30

spell it. So

27:35

it's a Grand Theft auto style game

27:37

and Dicky goes like everyone plays

27:40

it. Sailor is not happy

27:42

watching his son play, but the Sun's like beating

27:45

the game and he's beating the shit out of this woman and

27:47

he robs her, and Craigan turns

27:49

off the game and is like, fuck, I

27:51

guess somebody's playing the game for real. So

27:53

obviously we need Bed Wong on the case immediately,

27:57

you know, he comes talks and obviously that you're

27:59

gonna have ethical talk about fucking video

28:02

games and violence and effects on people.

28:05

And it's the classic Marilyn Manson Columbine

28:07

chat that's been I think going on for ever.

28:10

Rock and Roll, Elvis the Devil, I

28:13

mean, you've been blaming stuff besides

28:15

their bad parenting and religion for

28:17

I don't know how long. I want to know when

28:19

this kind of vibe started. Were they like Mozart's

28:22

driving the youth mad, Like, I

28:25

want to know, when, you know, do they

28:27

need TVs to start blaming people? Were

28:29

they blaming the gester, the gesters,

28:32

the court gesters? So

28:34

silly?

28:35

Yeah?

28:35

But when did we start blaming entertainment

28:39

for kids for people's

28:41

behavior?

28:41

Ye?

28:41

I interesting, Yeah, I want to know.

28:43

So if you're if that was by chance,

28:46

you're you know, senior thesis, let

28:48

us know.

28:50

And then we find and then.

28:52

They're like, oh, the purp can be from ten

28:54

to fifty years old, really helpful. But

28:56

I don't think a ten year old could you know, drive a car

28:58

and do all this stuff be

29:02

obviously I'm thinking about the little kid from

29:04

the Little Kid from Trials.

29:06

He obviously does drive a car, but I don't think he's

29:08

doing.

29:08

The rest of it.

29:09

No, no, no, I don't think he could you know, stomp

29:11

a woman like this. Bad guesses

29:14

though that whoever did this probably wants to brag about

29:16

it because he's such a dork. So it's like, let's, you know, find

29:18

out like the game company, the

29:20

message boards, the whatever, and we're gonna like

29:23

get to the bottom of a bit. So we go to tech

29:25

Top Games and that's spelled

29:27

different than you're thinking too. It's

29:29

t e K top so and

29:31

they can't even spell a full tech out there. That's

29:33

like what hip companies are. They're like, let's just spell

29:36

something wrong and then that means we're inventive.

29:39

Oh.

29:40

So, like they go to visit this dork and this

29:42

guy was actually married to Christina

29:45

hen Henderson Hendrix for Hendrix.

29:48

Yes, yes, so he was married to her for a

29:50

while.

29:50

He's brother in law's with He

29:53

was a brother in law's with I

29:55

know he is brother in laws with Anthony and Tammanik. Like

29:58

his is married to Anthony and Timmanick. Yeah,

30:00

oh exciting.

30:02

So so he's the dork in charge

30:04

of this company and he's like,

30:06

oh not again. When he hears

30:08

about the crime, he goes, come on, the

30:10

games are fun cartoons, you know. If some

30:12

couple of idiots take it too far, that's

30:15

not on us. And Phil and Finn is like, well

30:17

look at the look at the crime scene photos and

30:19

then he kind of chuckles and it's like, what's so fucking

30:21

funny, dork, and he says them lighten up,

30:24

and then he goes, this sequence is actually an

30:26

Easter drag, a hidden treat, and

30:29

you have to be a good player, but not anymore

30:31

because of all the internet. You know, you can read it off

30:33

any fan sites, so anyone can get to the East

30:35

drags. So we got to hit up

30:37

these fan sites like see who's bragging about

30:39

doing this? Monch stays

30:42

to play the game and like figure things

30:44

out while Finn runs to meet Stabler at the Emmy's

30:46

office. She sadly died from a subdual

30:49

hematoba, but she suffered

30:51

before she died.

30:53

I don't know why I wrote, but it

30:55

should be like, but she didn't suffer.

30:57

I don't know, and

31:02

and would have been fine, but it's like, but

31:04

don't worry, guys, she suffered slowly before

31:06

she died.

31:07

I don't, Oh my god. Forty

31:10

two points of impact, like what the fuck?

31:13

And the kicking and stomping is a man

31:16

shoe size nine, but the puncture

31:18

wounds were a little bit of a puzzle to her.

31:20

But it's a heel. It's a fucking heel.

31:22

And then Melinda takes off a stiletto and

31:24

goes a woman fucking stomps on her, and

31:27

Melinda goes, I usually don't wear this, but I have

31:29

an Emmy's dinner tonight, babe.

31:32

You could change after work. You're wearing

31:34

scrubs and the heels all day to go to

31:36

the dinner. That is the most unbelievable

31:39

thing s you has done. Besides

31:41

you know, zoom in on a photo.

31:43

She looks good though they wanted to give us Melinda looking

31:45

hot for like, you know, the eyeshadow.

31:47

I get the eyeshadow, I get even the

31:49

outfit, but like you could be wearing seekers

31:52

under your medicat like it

31:54

is no one would wear the heels all

31:56

day that you're gonna get hire to the party all day.

31:59

I got to maybe good,

32:01

Yeah, you're right, you're right. And then like you know, she

32:04

got some new evidence last minute or something.

32:05

Now you can't be weighing spleens and shitto

32:08

in stilettos all day.

32:09

No, no, no, no, it's just so

32:11

cool we talk to her like to know, like

32:15

what organs they used for that scene.

32:17

And this is actually one of her most famous

32:20

scenes. So this is really exciting.

32:21

Oh not yet. Later in the episode of My Bad I teased

32:24

too far.

32:25

Anyways, I wrote like eight

32:28

paragraphs of like she would not be wearing

32:30

the heel, but like we have this whole

32:32

conversation, you know, recorded

32:34

by the authorities. So we have the tape,

32:37

but we don't really hear a woman. So Joel

32:39

de la Fuente aka Morales, a

32:42

Taru friend of the pod. You

32:44

know, it's going to take other noises away and

32:46

see if we can find the woman.

32:49

And we do hear a woman.

32:50

Okay, and with a woman goes take

32:52

her jacket, bitch, So.

32:56

Munch has something.

32:57

So back at the video game headquarters, they realize

32:59

that a fan created their own scene that

33:01

you can download off the internet.

33:03

But they said off the net. And I want everyone

33:05

to know that.

33:07

I also haven't watched the Sandra Bullock movie the

33:09

Net for a while, and I feel like I wonder how

33:11

funny it is now like she's carrying around

33:13

a floppy disk.

33:15

Yeah, I've never seen it. I gotta

33:17

watch it. I definitely I

33:20

have. Okay, anyways, sorry,

33:23

I got wistful for

33:25

some reason about

33:28

old timey Sandra Bullock.

33:31

Okay, So,

33:32

so this download first appeared

33:35

late last night, and the tech

33:37

dork is like the only guy that could do this. I

33:39

know exactly who it is. It's Stu Davis.

33:42

He was a programmer here. He used to work

33:44

here, but we had to fire him because he put like sneaky

33:47

bunnies that were fucking like bunny rabbits

33:49

into children's games. So he's a little

33:51

bit of a pervert and they had to let him go, but

33:53

they kept him on as a tester. He just can't

33:56

doesn't have control, and he's

33:58

such a dork every I mean, he's denying everything,

34:00

but there's a warrant, so they're gonna like fucking take everything

34:02

they want, giant glasses. He

34:05

has a frizzy bob like he's

34:07

probably gonna play Bill Gates

34:09

in a biopic or something. This

34:11

is just like the perfect guy

34:14

to put fucking rabbits in a kid's

34:17

video game. So in the waste basket,

34:19

just like the only thing in it

34:21

is the newspaper opened to an article

34:24

about the crime that just happened. He's

34:26

like, listen, I got an email requesting to make

34:29

this scene. I do it for money. I just

34:31

I make what people tell me. I'm a dork. I'm a dork for

34:33

cash. And

34:35

we're like, well, who sent the email? You know, guns

34:38

up, we gotta go get this guy who sent the email,

34:40

who requested this scene to

34:42

be made programmed of the crime

34:44

that we just saw. So we're like guns

34:47

up going to the person who like sent the

34:49

email to make this video game. So then

34:51

Finn grabs a framed photo and right away

34:53

is just like, this is rue, dude, this is the guy

34:55

and it's like or his cousin or

34:57

friend or brother or friend

35:00

from college, like or a frame

35:02

he stole from a party when he was blacked out,

35:04

like to assume the one framed

35:06

thing is of the person who lives there. Is

35:09

the guy is so

35:11

is so thin stabler

35:14

in this mess of an apartment, like melodies,

35:16

driver's license purse is just right in the middle

35:19

in the garage is a black sports car covered

35:21

in skin and blood, and we

35:24

get you know, o'haller and gets a call

35:26

and they found the guy and the guy was

35:28

actually run over and beaten to death too.

35:31

So the suspect is now dead in the street,

35:35

massive head trauma, but not

35:38

murdered. He just jumped and he hit his brain

35:40

on the dumpster edgeH oh god.

35:43

No evidence of a push, no defensive wounds,

35:45

and he was four times the legal limit of

35:48

drunk. His you know, but

35:50

his car was used. It was his car

35:52

with all the fragments and skin and everything. But the shoe

35:54

size doesn't match he was a shoe size

35:56

eleven and the stomping happened with a shoe size

35:59

nine. We get a classic

36:01

Melinda moment. She uses a flashlight

36:03

and there's glitter all over his crotch and she goes,

36:05

this is booty dust, my

36:08

favorite booty dust. So

36:10

she goes, he had one last lap dance before

36:13

the plunge, So let's go visit the strip

36:15

clubs.

36:15

That's what you gotta do. So we go find the dancers.

36:17

They're outside hanging out and one of them

36:19

was actually the receptionist in the episode Sugar,

36:22

so if you remember us, this.

36:24

Is her baby.

36:26

Both of them remember this guy. They're like, oh, yeah, this sad

36:28

dude. His friend tried to cheer him up.

36:31

The friend was hot, they said, and then they kept

36:33

ordering dom so they were drinking

36:36

really expensive shit, getting wasted,

36:39

and they're like, listen, you got to come in and do

36:41

a sketch artist thing for us. So they go do that,

36:44

and now there's like a lot of dorks

36:46

names young voices brainstorming. They're all

36:48

trying to figure out all these ideas are being thrown

36:50

around, maybe like the

36:53

youth main killers use the video game

36:55

losers, but also it seems

36:57

like this dead guy wanted to be caught, was

37:00

just everywhere, and you

37:02

know, maybe he felt guilty or something. But Finn

37:04

gets off the phone. The crime lab

37:06

brand tests on car residue and

37:09

they're also listening to the tape and counting the

37:11

steps in which door people came out of. I mean,

37:13

a lot of good police work happening here. And

37:16

you know, so now we know this Larry Tober

37:18

guy, he's dead, but there are two

37:20

other people. So who are these other people? Munch

37:23

says that Taber got a bunch of calls from

37:25

a cell phone belonging to someone named

37:28

Luis Karnaki. She's only

37:30

seventeen years old, so we gotta

37:32

go.

37:33

We have her in cement room bars.

37:35

She goes, Larry's a loser and

37:37

she doesn't like hanging out with him anymore. She

37:39

doesn't have an answer for all the calls she made.

37:41

She's like, I don't fucking know, but she's a very bad

37:43

actress. And she pretends to like care

37:45

be surprised by his death. That's not really working.

37:48

Stabler walks in with a high heeled shoe and goes,

37:50

this yours bitch, and they go yeah.

37:52

She says yeah, they are, and they tell her

37:55

about search warrants and the blue light

37:57

and they blue light the boots and wow, it is

37:59

shining.

38:00

And she's like, I don't know what that is.

38:01

But her voice seems worried, and they

38:03

bring up They're like, it's gonna be a DNA match.

38:06

All this shit on this boot is gonna like match

38:08

with the DNA from the body and the car and

38:10

everything, and you're fucking done. She's scared.

38:12

Once the murder charge is brought up, like they're like,

38:14

you're going down, she turns to her lawyer

38:16

and goes, you have to help me.

38:18

So then her lawyer goes, I need an ada.

38:20

Novak walks in right in the nick of time,

38:23

and he says if she cooperates, what does she get

38:25

And Novak's like, uh, nothing, she's

38:27

a murderer. And she goes, listen,

38:30

I did the attacking, and but then throws Larry

38:32

under the bus immediately and says, nobody

38:34

else was there, just me and Larry.

38:36

Larry did everything.

38:37

Novak then puts the strippers sketch

38:40

onto the table and goes not even

38:42

him. She's worried. She's

38:44

taken aback by the sketch. The guy looks like

38:46

a deranged ken doll. She starts

38:48

to cry. Her eyebrows are furrowed.

38:50

She then she does remind me a little bit of Shorty

38:53

of Smarty Coulottes from Abaca.

38:55

A little bit. I'm

38:58

getting this hat. It's vibe, little

39:01

sharp angle lar face.

39:02

Also side note, Lisa, the

39:05

track team of the high school that I live near is working

39:07

hard and they are practicing right outside of where

39:09

I am recording. So if you hear young

39:11

teen boys screaming at each other to run faster,

39:14

that is what's happening.

39:15

Lol. Love it.

39:17

But they have like a whole stadio.

39:20

Like, why are they in your alley because

39:23

it goes uphill. I think they have to like run

39:25

up hills and stuff. I guess, I don't know. They're

39:27

just in the alley really going to town.

39:29

Now, I know, La, it's really hard

39:31

to find a hill, Okay,

39:34

I don't know. You do have a nice, Sally,

39:36

You do have a nice So you

39:39

know, she's scared of whatever the drawing

39:41

is of this dranged guy, and she goes, don't

39:43

tell him, don't tell him. I just said anything, Please don't tell

39:45

him. So this guy's name is Garrett

39:48

Pearl. And when they go to arrest him,

39:50

he is playing on his computer. Call him as a cucumber.

39:52

He's like, hey, guys, what's up?

39:55

As the police raight in, He's not worried. He's playing

39:57

his games. He's deleting files, stay

40:00

or rips them up from the chair. Temper temper,

40:02

he says, And then he goes, anyway,

40:05

whom am I meant to have murdered?

40:07

So you know, he's

40:10

annoying, And

40:12

then you know they.

40:13

They're like melody Quinn and he goes, it doesn't

40:16

ring a bell and then fuck, oh

40:18

no. One of the science cops are carrying the computer

40:20

out of the room and the other one's like fuck. And then

40:22

we hear status like status, we

40:24

hear static, weird noises,

40:27

and then the hottie dork smiles and

40:30

the science cop goes, it was

40:32

a degaussing loop, a degassing

40:34

loop. Listen, you

40:37

got to make your best assumption. But it's

40:39

it's a powerful magnetic strip and

40:41

it wiped the whole drive.

40:43

And that's why he's been so smug.

40:45

He knew the moment that they walked out

40:47

with the hard drive, it would all be

40:49

this.

40:49

Is the kind of stuff that I love learning

40:52

about on U s few like I have always

40:54

heard of these. I think about them all the time

40:56

now when they go into different pedophiles houses

40:59

and they're seizing comput I'm like, oh, be careful.

41:01

I hope he doesn't have one of those rings that erases everything,

41:03

like I this episode season six, and I think

41:06

about it all the time in future episodes

41:08

because who knew about this? Who knew

41:10

that there was like some kind of

41:13

special loop you could get that anytime

41:15

someone passes it, it just wipes everything

41:17

clean.

41:18

They're educating, Yeah,

41:21

I mean, that's the thing. The perverse pedophiles

41:23

criminals. They're always pushing, pushing the edge

41:25

of technology and it

41:27

is incredible little go getters.

41:30

So we're in cement room bars

41:33

obviously Finn and Stabler are

41:35

there. They show him the crime photos. He acts

41:37

like it's so awful, he doesn't know, and

41:40

then he sees Stabler's marine tattoo and

41:42

he tries bonding, and then to Finny

41:44

just goes, were you a gangbanger before you

41:46

were a cop? So this kid is you know,

41:48

microaggression. But also

41:51

Finn does look crazy. He's wearing like a dark

41:53

red gothic style button down and three

41:55

of the buttons are on button. He looks like a

41:57

vampire gangster for sure. And

42:00

he's like, damn cool, you guys have killed

42:02

people. I want to know what it's like to kill people. How

42:04

does it feel? I only do it in the game.

42:07

I've killed hundreds in the game. But you guys,

42:09

you did it for real. And they're like, we

42:11

know you did it for real too, so stop.

42:14

And he's like, you know, I oh,

42:16

it seems like he would be friends with Michael Pitt's character.

42:19

We haven't done that episode on the

42:21

show. Yeah, but I think these two

42:23

would be sexy little friend.

42:26

They're like murdered by the numbers energy, which is also

42:29

yes.

42:29

Yes, yes, but this guy has

42:31

like the flat affect that just

42:33

like, oh, nothing bothers me, like

42:36

like cocky, smug, gross,

42:38

like I he like makes my skin crawl,

42:40

this character.

42:41

And he's a rich kid too, you know, yeah,

42:43

getting Don Perry on at the fucking strip.

42:45

Yeah, a stabler then goes

42:47

but you won't know because you're gutless. You couldn't

42:50

even face her. You had to use a car to

42:52

knock down a woman. And they're just

42:54

like making him feel like shit, and

42:56

then they're like you snuck behind

42:59

her to kick her. He scoffs, and

43:01

Stablor goes, you're just this scared little

43:03

punk. And so then Stabler

43:05

like forces him up out of the chair and then kind of

43:07

shoves them around with just his body, no arms,

43:10

kind of like like shoulder

43:12

shimming him against a wall.

43:14

Yes, and their noses like almost

43:16

touch, like he is so close talking

43:18

him here, like I swear to god, their noses have

43:20

like a second of contact.

43:23

And you got to like and then he goes, you

43:25

know, you got to stare them in the eyes. That's

43:27

how I like it, so you could smell their fear.

43:30

And the hot Doric is like stop, and

43:32

Stabler says, we don't even need this little freak.

43:35

We have a witness. And then the hatty goes, well

43:37

she's lying, and they're like, well, how do you know what she said?

43:39

Huh?

43:40

And he goes, listen, it was Larry Tabbar

43:42

And then we play the call and this

43:44

guy is like shocked the call even like

43:46

exists. Suddenly the smugness

43:48

relaxes on his face and now

43:50

Elliott has the smug smile and

43:53

the guy goes, how did you get that? And

43:56

then he starts screaming like it's Larry's fault.

43:58

He made me do it. Larry made me do it.

44:00

And right in the nick of time, we got a Barry Bostwick

44:02

aka Oliver Gates walks

44:05

in. Novak and Stalelor have

44:07

a little chat. When Oliver pops

44:09

out quick, he's gonna go with the mental

44:11

disease or defect defense.

44:13

Obviously the video games made him do it.

44:16

Classic And you know, Larry

44:18

is also an older man who got this

44:20

hot young guy drunk, got him addicted

44:22

to games, made him play for real.

44:25

But you know, this guy the hot, he had no idea

44:27

what he was doing. He didn't know the difference between

44:29

reeal or fake. He's in a haze. But

44:32

we'll see what the court decides. Right So,

44:34

Novak and Craigan are talking like, ugh, video

44:37

game stuff. You know, it's a hot issue

44:39

right now, maybe it'll get the jury.

44:41

What are we gonna do?

44:43

But also, all of a sudden,

44:45

the girl goes from having a public defender to a

44:47

really good lawyer. And that's because Garrett's family

44:49

paid for it. So this

44:51

is a rich little kid plays video

44:54

games with those little magnetic strips all

44:56

day long, and a

44:58

master manipulator. Very

45:01

Beverly Hills Housewives, and

45:03

so we do have an issue.

45:05

So even though we.

45:06

Like scared the guy with the tape and like

45:08

we have the whole attack on camp at recorded,

45:11

we can't use the tape.

45:12

We can't use it in trial.

45:14

It's only evidence like for

45:16

the state, So we need

45:18

actual evidence that they can

45:20

use. So they have Larry

45:23

in the video games, but that's it, and

45:25

no one will let them have the tape, like I said,

45:28

So they go to fight with the government, and the government

45:30

guy is from Sex and the

45:32

City. He's the guy that owned the nightclub.

45:34

His name is William and with Samantha

45:37

kept being like we will do this and will

45:39

go here, and will go here, and then like ditches

45:41

her and stands her up and then

45:43

the server kisses her or whatever.

45:46

So that's that episode. Novak

45:48

is pissed. But we knew this going

45:50

in that this wasn't gonna be evidence we can

45:52

have. You know, the guy is not only a

45:54

pimp but a terrorist, so it is what it is.

45:57

So they need.

45:57

Evidence to like figure this out since

45:59

they can can't use the tape, and Bedie Wong's like, okay,

46:01

I'll go play some site games with these guys and

46:03

see if it's innocent pawnds or they're cold blooded

46:06

liars. So we do a little back and forth

46:08

for you know, they're both in orange jumpsuits, which I

46:10

love, the girl and sexy guy. And

46:13

the girl says she plays five to six hours a

46:15

day. The most she's ever played is eighteen hours.

46:18

The guy, he's just like kind of smart

46:20

and smarty, so he's giving every answer

46:22

that Huang wants, you know, like he's he's

46:25

playing the game. And they're both turning it all on Larry.

46:27

And the girl is so in love with Garrett and

46:30

she's like, yeah, we have sex, like he's crazy

46:32

about me.

46:32

We're in love. And then it cuts to him going,

46:35

oh yeah, I've you know, I've.

46:36

Had better sex, Like I don't really like her, and

46:38

so this is very Bravo style editing.

46:41

So shady Bedie Wong comes

46:43

out into Stablers like this manipulative

46:46

little prick. And they're like,

46:48

oh, they fucking killed Larry. Now I think

46:50

that they got him drunk, they you know, made

46:52

him do this. And they're like, well, what about Luis

46:55

And she goes, yeah, she's desperate and she's in

46:57

love with him. So it doesn't matter. She'll do whatever

46:59

he says. And we think this guy

47:01

fucking he did some shit. Ambadie

47:04

Wong is like he's a narcissist and

47:06

he knows for sure the difference is seen right and

47:08

wrong.

47:08

He just doesn't care. Uh

47:11

oh.

47:11

Stabler is like asking questions about games

47:13

and influence, probably thinking about his own son.

47:15

You know, well, what's Dicky up to?

47:17

And that then Gates

47:19

walks in and he has an emotion to

47:21

submit Garrett for a neuropsych

47:24

exam and he you know,

47:27

this guy volunteered to do a pet scan while he

47:29

plays the computer game to prove brain stuff.

47:31

YadA YadA, bullshit, bullshit, and we're

47:33

even letting Huang do the test so they

47:35

can't claim bias. Later in court,

47:38

Garrett is not stressed at all. He's excited

47:40

to play. He plays up to forty hours

47:42

a week. Well yeah, he's daddy, pays the

47:44

bills, of course he could play forty hours a week. And

47:47

then he starts playing this

47:50

blood game, right, so they're taking blood from him.

47:52

He's wearing a lot like an MIT

47:55

thing, not MIT, what is it called MRI.

47:59

He's wearing MRI gear. He's in this

48:01

big machine and the brain is scans are coming

48:03

in bead Wong looks intense and

48:07

dopaminees increased. But it's like that can't

48:09

be a defense, are you kidding me? Like dopamine

48:11

increases all the time. None of us are like running

48:13

over women in the streets. I mean a lot of us

48:15

are, but not not us right now, and

48:18

we're filled with fucking dopamine. So

48:20

now we're on the stand. It like cuts to Huang

48:23

right on the jury, you know, telling the jury all his findings

48:26

that this guy felt high and euphoric,

48:29

and it's like he took a small dose of

48:31

speed, and Casey's like, okay,

48:33

so did it make him less able to control his

48:35

actions? And Huang's like, absolutely not.

48:37

To the contrary, He's enjoying

48:39

all of it. It's an enjoyable activity, and

48:42

any enjoyable activity would increase

48:45

dopamine, like sports or chess. And

48:47

it's like, okay, dork chess.

48:50

That was your example on the stand.

48:51

You know, when you get so fucking high playing

48:53

chess. Oh so funny,

48:56

that's what he thinks is going to relate to the jury.

48:58

So now it's Gates turning goes wow, dopamine,

49:01

Okay, isn't that what makes like cocaine and heroin

49:03

addictive? So computer games are just

49:05

like that, and Huang's like, no, nice try,

49:08

But you know, Gates tries to do a little

49:10

bullshit dancing to try to fuck up Huang.

49:13

You know, he's doing lots of stuff.

49:15

He's comparing the life of a military like

49:17

military violence to a cartoon game,

49:19

and Huang's like, that's stupid.

49:21

War and video games do not affect the person

49:24

the same. And now Gates is yelling

49:26

and trying to like make it the game

49:28

made him do it, but no one is buying

49:30

it. So during this, Garrett's

49:32

still in the defense table and he stares down

49:34

Casey and now he's on the stand

49:37

doing his own little tap dance. He's like, I regret

49:39

it all. I'll never forgive myself. I'm so sad.

49:42

They keep cutting to the girl and she's

49:44

I don't know what she's doing, but she's sitting

49:46

there and Novak's

49:48

gonna go at him now, and Novak

49:51

goes, so you thought this screaming

49:53

and kicking, you really thought that was a game, Like,

49:56

we don't buy it.

49:56

How did you not know that was a real woman?

49:59

And he's crying being like, I didn't know what was real,

50:01

what was everything was so confusing

50:04

the streets people, it's from the game.

50:07

And you know the girl had a short skirt.

50:09

Larry said, get her, get the hooker. And

50:12

then he starts screaming like impersonating

50:15

Larry, being like, go hit her, hit her, hit

50:18

her, and he's while he's

50:20

talking with his hands, he's miming playing

50:22

the video game. He's tearing up. I

50:24

wonder how often he practiced this, and

50:26

then Novak goes, oh, so you always do

50:28

what Larry says. He goes, I wish I

50:30

was brave enough to stand up to him, but I

50:33

wasn't. I'm sorry. And we've

50:35

see in little psychopaths that

50:38

pretend the bullied is the

50:40

bullier, you know what I mean. We

50:43

saw it in Conscience, we saw Injustice

50:46

and Novak.

50:49

I believe in her. But Novak does

50:51

seem shaken. She does she she

50:53

doesn't have anything. She's shuffling

50:55

papers around, and in the nick of times, Stable

50:57

and Finn walk in. I am sure with new

51:00

evidence, and the judge is actually tired. I think

51:02

he has tickets to a Broadway show. He goes, hey,

51:04

hey, guys, I'm done. Let's resume

51:06

tomorrow. So she like

51:08

zips to the guys so fast she runs

51:11

on over and she's like, I am being

51:13

killed here.

51:14

What do you have? Which I think is insensitive

51:16

when it's a murder trial.

51:18

And and it's funny

51:20

because this isn't even a sex crime for them to be involved

51:22

in like she is. She wasn't

51:25

like a sex worker and covered in jizz, but it

51:27

was consensual.

51:27

Come you know what I mean? Like,

51:30

like the fact that.

51:30

It has to be usive in this case is

51:32

pretty funny. Yeah, not funny, not funny,

51:35

but yeah, but you know they're

51:37

better at it, so maybe thank god.

51:39

So now we have Tawber's computer.

51:41

Taru found a bunch

51:43

of stuff with encrypted codes. But they're getting closer

51:46

and closer, and they found

51:48

out that there was something sent to Larry

51:50

two hours before he jumped off that roof,

51:52

and we need to find out what it was. And

51:54

so they go to the little creep with the bunny

51:57

rabbits, you know, the fuzzy hair man, and

51:59

he screamed, I have nothing to do with

52:01

this, and Novak's like, listen, once

52:03

we encrypt this email that you sent,

52:05

we know you sent it two hours before his death.

52:08

Your toast so speak now.

52:11

So he's like, oh fine.

52:13

So he starts typing around getting

52:15

everything back and unencrypting stuff,

52:17

and he's so annoyed. He's like, I didn't

52:19

know anyone would get hurt. Like he said,

52:22

it was going to be just a joke. I'm

52:24

a programmer, I'm not a killer. So

52:26

the email video like pops up and

52:28

it's very scott fully episode. What

52:30

was that one called fucked up hammered

52:34

hammered? Yeah, synonyms

52:36

synonyms. So

52:39

then so it's like video game

52:41

footage, but it's using Larry's

52:43

real face on the video game body doing

52:46

the entire crime to the woman on the street.

52:48

And then the voiceover is like, the cops are

52:51

gonna get you.

52:51

You did this.

52:52

You can't hide Larry aw Larry,

52:55

and so it's like, if this is the guy that's in charge,

52:57

why would he be the one being taunted. So

53:00

now we're in court. We watched it and

53:03

yeah, it's fucking Larry, dude, you did this.

53:05

So who's scared of who?

53:07

And we have evidence that you gave the

53:09

programmer one thousand dollars to Stu

53:11

Davis to do this little computer thing, and

53:14

the signature on the check this is old school,

53:17

is Garrett's.

53:18

So we have the check. You paid this man to

53:20

do it.

53:20

You sent this message and

53:23

you know, like you're saying you didn't know what was real or not.

53:25

But then you had all this admin, you did all this admin,

53:28

you did chores, you did a to do list of

53:30

little activities. So they're

53:33

like, you wanted to push him over the edge? Is that why

53:35

you sent it? And Garrett's

53:38

like it was a joke, and they're like, oh, really,

53:40

so kicking a woman to death is a game? And

53:42

now you know, coursing someone to jump

53:45

off a roof as a joke, fuck you?

53:47

And she's like, you were scared

53:49

Larry was going to go to the police, and so you prayed

53:52

on him until he took his own life. And

53:54

Novak is screaming, she's a star, and

53:57

then she goes and you put LMAO at

53:59

the end of the video. What does LMAO

54:01

mean? And then yes, so laugh

54:05

my ass off, you know, yes

54:07

to admit it. So then it's like Larry's

54:09

dead, Melody's dead, and you're laughing

54:11

your ass off.

54:14

And that sets

54:16

him off. You're rolling on the floor laughing.

54:20

And then he goes off his like nice sky

54:22

routine. Everything he's trying to do to not be

54:25

on the hook for this job all drops.

54:27

He gets in Novak's face angrily

54:29

and goes, you bet I am, and

54:31

so that's not good. He basically said

54:33

he's laughing at the deaths, and then he

54:36

goes, because you're a joke and this whole

54:38

damn thing is a joke. And they

54:40

stare at each other for a while and she says

54:42

nothing further. So then Gates

54:45

is actually it's we jump to closing

54:47

arguments, and Gates is doing a really bad job.

54:49

Like you could tell he doesn't believe in it.

54:51

It's not even worth the money of these video games.

54:54

He's just like the video games

54:56

made him do it. He's reading, he has his glasses

54:58

on, he does he's he knows

55:00

he's lost. It's pretty incredible acting because

55:03

he's still trying, but you could tell he doesn't believe it in

55:05

his heart and he hates this guy, like I just like loved

55:08

this so much.

55:10

And then Novak kills it. She kills it.

55:12

In her closing argument. She's like, fuck

55:14

these kids, they're bad. They knew what was up.

55:16

And the girl is having a lot of feelings because obviously

55:19

she's about to go to jail for a man like we say,

55:21

don't do it, and just like

55:23

yeah, they're they're both whatever. The

55:26

jury guy he talks, he goes, defendant

55:28

is guilty, the girl is also guilty. She

55:31

cries, they're both remanded. Garrett

55:33

looks at her with disgust and goes, oh,

55:35

shut up, and then he goes,

55:37

bang, bang, you're dead. And

55:40

then they drag the crying girl out,

55:42

and Garrett's laughing and goes, game over,

55:44

you won to Novak

55:47

And now Dicky's at the table he's

55:49

playing a handheld games. Stabler you know, is

55:51

like you come, don't play the

55:53

game, and he's just hockey, So a hockey game

55:55

he went to school. Leave the kid alone. It's like anytimes

55:58

Stabler decides to be a parent, everyone

56:00

has to drop everything that they're doing and suddenly

56:02

run around this man who gives them no attention.

56:05

Yeah, eat food, stop playing video

56:07

games, leave them alone.

56:09

So he's like, come on, let's play cards or scrabble,

56:12

and they don't want to do that, and Dickie's like

56:14

do you even want to play that?

56:15

Like what do you? Shut up?

56:17

And then Stabler goes, how about we talk and Dickie

56:19

goes, okay, let's talk, and then it's silent

56:21

because Stabler has nothing to say. And

56:24

then that's like I said, let

56:26

the kid play the hockey handheld game. He's had a tough

56:28

day and he just looked at a dying

56:30

woman. Helped you crack the case. There wouldn't

56:32

even be a murder trial if it wasn't for this

56:35

kid. I don't think they would have played together. They

56:37

couldn't have done it without Dickie. And now he can't even

56:40

unwind after a long day at the office.

56:42

No, that's dick wolf baby, And yeah

56:45

it's I don't it's not a classic

56:47

episode, but there's twists.

56:49

I don't know.

56:49

It's so wild that you've watched this one a lot. It's like such

56:51

a blind spot for me.

56:52

Yeah, it's like, I don't it's not like a favor

56:55

anything. It's just I've seen it so many

56:57

times. Like I remember his voice going sorry,

56:59

she's play with us now or whatever, Like

57:01

I remember all these things from it, and like Dicky

57:04

being there and being like, yeah, it's like this, and like

57:06

playing it for them and everything, Like, I don't

57:08

know, it's got some classic elements,

57:10

but let's

57:12

get into the true crime

57:15

of it all, shall we? The

57:24

interesting thing is that six seasons later,

57:26

in season twelve, they did do in

57:28

the episode Bullseye, which we've covered, they

57:31

had that couple that plays video games

57:34

so much that they literally leave

57:36

their daughter starving. Remember, and then

57:38

we like researched the case in Korea or those people

57:40

like so like show

57:43

definitely like loves to talk about the

57:45

video games of it all and everything. But

57:48

it is interesting because this case

57:51

happened right before the

57:53

episode was made.

57:55

Devin Moore was eighteen

57:58

year.

57:58

Old living in Alabama

58:01

in June of two thousand and three, so

58:04

like two years before this episode came out,

58:06

less and year post nine

58:08

to eleven if you were wondering, Yeah, yeah, yes,

58:11

our usual countdown placing things in time

58:13

against nine to eleven. So we're all just

58:15

sort of getting our heads dropped around nine to eleven. It's

58:17

that summer. He's just graduated high

58:19

school. He's set to join the Air Force at the end

58:21

of the summer. Random fact that's

58:23

just in the information that his brother

58:26

is Mookie Moore, a former NFL player.

58:28

I don't think he was ever big, but he played on a

58:30

few.

58:30

Teams, but in the early

58:32

morning hours of June seventh

58:35

of two thousand and three, More was brought in

58:37

by the police in this small town of Fayette,

58:39

Alabama on suspicion of car theft.

58:42

So this kid had no

58:44

record, he had never been in trouble with the law.

58:47

He is cooperating as an

58:49

officer named Arnold Strickland is booking

58:52

him. Suddenly, out of nowhere,

58:54

he grabs Strickland's forty caliber

58:56

glock gun shoots him twice,

58:59

one shot to the head. Another officer

59:01

named James crump Here's the shots, comes running

59:03

over. Moore stops him in the hallway, shoots

59:06

him three times, once in the head. Then

59:08

he continues down the hall where he shoots

59:10

a nine to one to one dispatcher named Ace

59:13

Meeler five times, once in the head.

59:15

I think that was kind of interesting that in the episode

59:17

they showed us a nine one one dispatcher like

59:19

it was they were never in danger

59:21

and it's not the same thing. But we don't always get

59:23

nine one one dispatchers, so I don't know. It was just

59:26

something that felt like a match. And

59:28

uh, then he grabbed the keys

59:31

to a cop car and he bounced. He killed three

59:33

men in less than a minute. This guy was

59:35

just like boom boom boom boom boom

59:37

boom, like just killed all these guys so quickly.

59:40

And if this sounds like an action movie or a

59:43

video game, it's because it basically is.

59:45

Moore had purchased Grand Theft Auto Vice

59:48

City at the age of seventeen and had been

59:50

playing it NonStop four months. At

59:53

this time, Grand Theft Auto is hugely

59:55

popular. I mean you know that that's what intensity

59:57

is based on his Grand Theft Auto. Whether or

59:59

not they can say it or not, it definitely is.

1:00:02

By two thousand and five, it had sold more than

1:00:04

thirty five million copies and had worldwide

1:00:06

sales of close to two billions. So the

1:00:09

game is popular when and

1:00:11

for some reason. We know a ton of comics who do

1:00:14

voices on it, right, Like I feel like I've

1:00:16

known so many comedians that do you

1:00:18

do you know people they maybe just haven't mentioned

1:00:20

it to you, but like we have a mutual I

1:00:22

would say, for enemy, who's a voice in GTA,

1:00:25

Like lots of people have done voices in GTA

1:00:27

weirdly, but they'll just be like I

1:00:29

think a girl at a store that's like hey, and then

1:00:31

like that's their only line.

1:00:33

But yeah, so when

1:00:36

they caught Devin.

1:00:37

Moore, he's they get him quickly, he

1:00:39

confesses quickly.

1:00:40

He said he killed the officers.

1:00:41

Because he didn't want to go to jail, and he told

1:00:43

authorities once he was caught. Quote,

1:00:45

life is like a video game. Everybody's got to die

1:00:47

sometime. So not

1:00:50

great. The crime is exactly like a

1:00:52

scene from GTA where a quote unquote

1:00:55

street thug enters a police

1:00:57

precinct and has to steal a uniform, free

1:00:59

a convoy from jail, and escape by shooting police

1:01:01

officers.

1:01:02

And then he gets away in a squad car.

1:01:04

And I will also say, this man's mug shot,

1:01:06

it's like he's at a party. Like I've never seen a mug

1:01:08

shot like this. He is grinning ear to ear, he

1:01:11

is smising. It is like a cheerful mug

1:01:13

shot. It's crazy. H

1:01:15

He went to trial in two thousand and five. He

1:01:17

pled not guilty, and the judge in

1:01:19

the case would not let the defense

1:01:22

bring forth evidence that grand theft

1:01:24

auto had inspired his horrific crimes.

1:01:26

Good and I'm so proud of that judge

1:01:29

and his lawyer,

1:01:31

Jim Standridge, tried to argue that he was suffering

1:01:34

from PTSD and that he suffered emotional

1:01:36

and physical abuse as a child at the hands of his

1:01:38

father. He had been in and out of foster

1:01:40

homes. He had had a really tough upbringing. But

1:01:43

he was convicted and he was sentenced to die by lethal

1:01:45

injection. But he is not dead. He is still

1:01:48

on death row at Holman Correctional Facility

1:01:50

in Alabama.

1:01:51

And then in.

1:01:53

Two thousand and five, basically right

1:01:55

as this episode is coming out, there's a multimillion

1:01:57

dollar lawsuit filed in our

1:02:00

Labama against Take two Interactive.

1:02:02

So instead of Top Tech or whatever it's called,

1:02:04

it's Take two Interactive. The lawsuits

1:02:06

filed against Take two, the creators of Grand Theft

1:02:09

Auto, Sony Computer Entertainment

1:02:11

America, Sony Corporation of America, Walmart,

1:02:13

Game Stop, and Devin Moore the shooter allegend.

1:02:17

And this is yeah, this is a lawsuit.

1:02:19

So it's civil under Alabama's Mack manufacturer's

1:02:22

Liability and wrongful Death statutes

1:02:24

that Grand Theft Auto resulted in quote unquote

1:02:26

copycat violence that caused the deaths of

1:02:28

these three victims, and the suits sought damages

1:02:31

against all the defendants in excess of six hundred

1:02:33

thousand dollars and the case

1:02:36

is called Strickland Versus Sony

1:02:38

because Strickland was the name of the officer

1:02:40

who's gunny took and his family I think was the

1:02:42

first family to sign on, but eventually all three families

1:02:44

signed on to the lawsuit of the victims.

1:02:47

And this lawyer

1:02:50

is named Jack Thompson, and he's a lawyer

1:02:52

and a video game violence crusader,

1:02:54

like that's his thing, and he brings the suit on behalf

1:02:56

of Arnold Strickland's family and then eventually

1:02:59

the other families. And Thompson told

1:03:01

sixty minutes because they did a big sixty

1:03:03

minutes did a big report that is in my sources

1:03:06

of you know, like can video games.

1:03:08

Spawn this kind of violence?

1:03:10

And Thompson said, quote, what we're saying

1:03:13

is that Devin Moore was in effect trained

1:03:15

to do what he did. He was given a murder

1:03:17

simulator, he bought it as a minor. He

1:03:19

played it hundreds of hours, which is primarily

1:03:22

a cop killing game. It's our theory

1:03:24

that but for the video game training,

1:03:26

he would not have done what he did.

1:03:28

And sixty minutes also, they can't.

1:03:30

I just don't like that they call playing video

1:03:32

games training, Like

1:03:34

it's not training, you know

1:03:36

what I mean?

1:03:37

Well, that's true, but let me this

1:03:39

is like what So they also spoke to David Walsh,

1:03:41

a child psychologist who authored co

1:03:44

authored a study about violent video

1:03:46

games and physical aggression, and he

1:03:48

he talks about a lot of the stuff that I feel like

1:03:51

I'm reading about right now when it comes to cell phones

1:03:53

with kids, is like the teenage brain

1:03:55

is not fully developed. What

1:03:57

David Walsh told sixty Minutes was, quote,

1:04:00

the impulse control center of the brain, the

1:04:02

part of the brain that enables us to think ahead, consider

1:04:04

consequences, manage urges. That's

1:04:07

the part of the brain right behind our forehead, called

1:04:09

the prefrontal cortex that's under construction

1:04:12

during the teenage years. In fact, the wiring

1:04:14

of that is not completed until the early twenties.

1:04:17

And that's the end of his quote. But basically

1:04:19

the idea is that the lack of impulse control

1:04:21

alone, because like it's so, it's what they

1:04:23

say on the show all the time. They're like, well a

1:04:27

million other kids play this game, why are they

1:04:29

going out and murdering people? And these

1:04:32

experts say that the lack of impulse

1:04:34

control, combined with other risk factors

1:04:37

like having a traumatic childhood, coming from

1:04:39

a broken home, he's in and out of foster care.

1:04:41

Like these things combined

1:04:44

is what can lead to criminal stuff.

1:04:46

Walsh also said, so when a young

1:04:48

man is with a developing brain, already

1:04:51

angry, spends hours and hours and hours

1:04:53

rehearsing violent acts, and then and

1:04:55

he's put in a situation of emotional stress,

1:04:57

there's a likelihood that he will literally

1:04:59

go to that familiar pattern that's been wired

1:05:01

repeatedly, perhaps thousands and thousands

1:05:03

of times.

1:05:05

So that's interesting.

1:05:08

They actually got to the

1:05:10

pre trial, which.

1:05:11

A lot of places, a lot of times when anybody's

1:05:14

tried to sew companies like this, it

1:05:16

just gets dismissed pretty quickly.

1:05:18

But they got to pre trial.

1:05:19

But on July twenty ninth of two thousand and nine,

1:05:21

so it's like four years later of this of this civil

1:05:24

suit. The court granted summary judgment

1:05:26

to take two. I did have to text my friend

1:05:28

Eric, who is a lawyer, to ask him what summary judgment

1:05:31

is. And it's essentially when

1:05:33

you ask a judge to make a decision

1:05:35

about the merits of the case before it goes to trial,

1:05:37

and the judge can be like, yeah, yeah, there's nothing. It's

1:05:39

almost like asking for a bench trial. But

1:05:41

usually you do a bench trial during the trial,

1:05:44

and a summary judgment is something that happens before,

1:05:46

so the judge can be like, yeah, this is a nothing

1:05:49

burger, Like we can't you can't prove this case

1:05:51

legally.

1:05:51

What are we doing here? So that's essentially what happened.

1:05:53

The judge he didn't throw it out, but he granted

1:05:56

summary judgment to the take too, and so

1:05:58

one family filed in a p but then the ruling

1:06:01

was upheld and the case eventually kind of went

1:06:03

nowhere. So that's

1:06:05

where that's I think what it was

1:06:07

mostly based on.

1:06:08

There's some other there's.

1:06:10

A couple other he ever made any

1:06:12

statements from now that he's older, it's

1:06:14

been a long time, Like, is there any update

1:06:17

on.

1:06:17

No, he's like thirty something. He's like thirty

1:06:19

nine. Now I believe he's been in jail. He's still on death

1:06:22

row but hasn't been executed. And thirty

1:06:25

nine and in jail, and it's

1:06:29

like, yeah, so it's such a scary

1:06:31

crime, but it's like it does it does make me

1:06:33

worry about like letting kids play video games.

1:06:35

And like letting them have phones and all

1:06:37

this stuff that when their brains are still like developing.

1:06:40

But you know, uh, there's obviously

1:06:42

a million cases where people are

1:06:44

inspired by GTA and violent video

1:06:47

games and stuff. Like there's another case called the Micah'sorner

1:06:49

case called Tromo, Like I yeah,

1:06:52

this game was huge. Yeah yeah

1:06:54

yeah yeah,

1:06:56

Like a teen in Wisconsin, Micah Zorner.

1:06:59

He stole around hundred cars before he was

1:07:01

caught and he claimed it was all inspired by GTA.

1:07:03

That was just car theft. There was another

1:07:06

this case is this case is crazy? I

1:07:08

started researching this and

1:07:10

people have this connected to this episode.

1:07:12

But this actually happened like

1:07:15

four years after the episode came out. Oh

1:07:17

not not four years, two years after

1:07:19

the episode came out. So but I'm just going to

1:07:21

talk about it really quickly because it's wild.

1:07:25

After this kid named

1:07:27

Daniel Petrick, who was also

1:07:29

called Danny. It was a sixteen year old in Ohio

1:07:31

who, according to everybody, is a

1:07:33

good kid, loves his parents. Okay,

1:07:36

then he gets into a skiing accident

1:07:38

and he gets a staff infection, which

1:07:40

actually puts him at home for a year

1:07:43

recovering from a really serious spinal injury,

1:07:46

and during that recovery process, he gets

1:07:48

introduced to the Halo games. Okay,

1:07:50

Halo, I will say with kids, I've maybe set

1:07:52

four. I played it once. It's like one of the only modern

1:07:54

video games I've ever played. Like me, it

1:07:56

goes Mario and then it goes one

1:07:59

time playing Halo.

1:08:00

That's it. I'm so not in the video

1:08:02

game world at all.

1:08:03

But Halo is a gay our

1:08:05

games about an alien war and it's rated

1:08:07

M for mature and Petrick's dad

1:08:09

was not down with the video game violence. He told

1:08:11

him he had to stop playing it or he had to leave the house. So

1:08:14

he like would move to a friend's house for the weekend

1:08:16

and he would play up to eighteen hours a day,

1:08:18

barely stopping. I feel like that's

1:08:21

crazy because that's in the episode, and it's the

1:08:23

episode came out first. So he bought

1:08:25

Halo three and when his dad found it that

1:08:27

he out that he did that. He took it and he put

1:08:29

it in a safe with two guns that he owned.

1:08:32

Oops, Daniel found the key to

1:08:34

the safe.

1:08:35

Oh god,

1:08:38

yes.

1:08:39

A week after his dad took the game away, he

1:08:41

found the key, took the game back.

1:08:43

So scared of video games, and then put

1:08:45

them with guns. I know, wouldn't

1:08:48

you be more scared of the guns? This is so

1:08:50

crazy? Yeah, yeah, or

1:08:53

like, why does your kid know where the safe he is?

1:08:55

Yeah, it's so bad.

1:08:56

So a week after his dad took the game away,

1:08:58

he got the key, took the game back, took one

1:09:01

of the guns. At around seven o'clock

1:09:03

on October twentieth, two thousand and seven, again,

1:09:06

a full year and a half after this ssview episode

1:09:08

has aired, heard he

1:09:11

walks up behind his parents while they are sitting

1:09:13

on the couch and said, would you close your

1:09:15

eyes? I have a surprise for you, and he shot

1:09:17

both of his parents and then he put

1:09:19

the gun in his dad's hand to make it look like a murder

1:09:22

suicide and said, hey, dad, here's

1:09:24

your gun.

1:09:24

Take it.

1:09:25

His mom died, his dad somehow

1:09:27

survived, and he got

1:09:29

sentenced to life with the possibility of parole

1:09:32

after.

1:09:32

Twenty three years.

1:09:33

So he's currently at the Grafton

1:09:35

Correctional Institution and is eligible for parole

1:09:37

in twenty thirty.

1:09:39

So he'll

1:09:42

be like he'll be

1:09:44

like, yeah.

1:09:44

Thirty nine, almost forty or something when

1:09:47

he's elliptible for parole. So fucking

1:09:50

crazy and that happened after the episode.

1:09:52

So anyway, there's a ton of different

1:09:55

Like some people were trying to link this to

1:09:57

like natural Born Killers, but I wasn't really

1:10:00

I don't really think it was natural Born Killers related.

1:10:02

Oh no, sorry, not natural Born Killers.

1:10:04

These this other couple that watched natural Born

1:10:06

Killers a bunch of times. They went out and killed some

1:10:08

people because of that. But I wanted to keep

1:10:10

it more video game specific. So yeah,

1:10:13

here we are, and that's

1:10:15

that's that. I mean, what,

1:10:19

yeah, it's it's not it's not great that,

1:10:22

but that like it's like, I

1:10:24

don't think a kid like that, someone who's

1:10:26

already a fucking narcissist and like

1:10:28

a malignant narcissist with probably psychopath

1:10:31

tendencies, should be playing eighteen hours of video

1:10:33

games a day, because then he is going to

1:10:35

do something nuts. But no,

1:10:37

guest, today, let's move on to our

1:10:39

post mortem.

1:10:45

Wow, little Dickie saving

1:10:47

the day on this crime. Honestly, I

1:10:49

want everybody to know that we did try to contact

1:10:51

the actor who played Dickie, but he's no longer in the

1:10:53

game, and uh he uh

1:10:56

yeah, I don't know. He just wouldn't didn't want to come on the pod.

1:10:58

But I uh, I think Dicky

1:11:01

was the greatest adversary for Christopher

1:11:03

Maloney besides rapist and murderers. In

1:11:05

the first twelve seasons of that show. He

1:11:08

was like the only person that he ever I mean, like Kathleen

1:11:11

had like whatever, Kathleen, Yeah, Kathleen

1:11:13

had some shit, but like, but

1:11:16

Dicky was always like I hate you, like

1:11:18

it was.

1:11:20

He just saw through him.

1:11:22

Like Dicky just was like, shut up, you

1:11:24

loser.

1:11:25

Am a cab.

1:11:26

Yeah, Dicky was a

1:11:28

cab except in the game

1:11:30

where because Dicky's like I

1:11:32

love.

1:11:32

To kill sex workers with cars.

1:11:36

I just can't believe that game really took

1:11:38

off the way it did. It's like such an

1:11:40

indictment of our society. I would say,

1:11:43

right, like, oh, I can't wait to kill

1:11:46

these hookers in this show.

1:11:48

I mean in this case, it's weird.

1:11:50

Yeah, and like, I don't know.

1:11:52

It's truly was one of the biggest games ever

1:11:55

of all time, still is beloved,

1:11:57

and it is about murdering

1:11:59

people on the street and committing cracks.

1:12:01

Because it's also just like it's so real,

1:12:03

Like it's like you're going through a city and you're looking

1:12:06

at human beings. It's not like Halo where I think

1:12:08

you're shooting aliens or whatever and you're on

1:12:10

like another planet or whatever, Like.

1:12:12

You're not you like Doom. So I

1:12:14

don't know what's doom. What happens in that game.

1:12:17

It's fucked that way. Look up Doom PC.

1:12:19

I played it on the PC, so well,

1:12:22

now it's fatteristic.

1:12:24

No, but that's what I mean.

1:12:25

Like this is like this is like you're you

1:12:28

could you wouldn't really be like when I

1:12:30

get older, I'm gonna be an I'm

1:12:32

going to shoot an alien with this like sodt off

1:12:35

shotgun or whatever.

1:12:35

You know what I mean.

1:12:36

Like, it's not it's not real, like GTA

1:12:39

is like real, you're driving a cool sports

1:12:41

car, you're getting real money. You're like

1:12:43

you're killing actual people. You're like

1:12:45

you know, so it's

1:12:48

just like so real. But you know, I

1:12:51

think people should stick to the sims.

1:12:55

I never well, I don't know, you know.

1:12:57

I I loved the Simpsons game

1:12:59

on and my phone, but then

1:13:01

I spent five hundred dollars so

1:13:04

I had I had to stop.

1:13:06

I had to take it off my phone.

1:13:08

But my community looked amazing,

1:13:11

like I think one of the best I've ever

1:13:13

seen.

1:13:13

Oh your Simpsons game was like Sims where

1:13:16

you were building like a little Simpsons like land.

1:13:18

Yeah, you built the whole like you built Springfield,

1:13:21

so like the Klicky Maar and then the parking

1:13:23

lot and the flowers are on the parking lot, and all the

1:13:25

restaurants on the boardwalk and like, and

1:13:27

then all of them had little jobs, and then you'd

1:13:29

put all of them and then you can like slowly earn

1:13:32

through all of their jobs and

1:13:34

get the characters. But if you spent real money,

1:13:36

you could just buy any plant you want or whatever

1:13:39

you want.

1:13:39

You know, Yeah, fun, that's

1:13:42

fun. I mean, I'm sorry that you had to,

1:13:44

but I loved.

1:13:45

When Luanne van Howen was in her little

1:13:47

jacuzzi suit and it was just so cute.

1:13:54

Oh my gosh.

1:13:55

Well, so look, guys, games are

1:13:57

affecting people in different ways. You're either spending

1:13:59

money you people, or you

1:14:01

know, maybe you're fine have other devices.

1:14:04

I stepped outside my building for what an

1:14:06

hour today and boom, I bought a newtrol.

1:14:08

But I only buy trolls with baby

1:14:11

eyes, and they are rare and

1:14:13

I can't believe I found And I told her, I

1:14:15

go, I like the baby eyed ones.

1:14:18

She goes I get it New

1:14:23

York. Step out of your step right

1:14:25

outside, you.

1:14:26

Get a cup of coffee, you get a baby, baby eyed

1:14:28

troll.

1:14:28

There's nothing you can't find here. I

1:14:31

am like sad.

1:14:32

Well. The reason I was saying is because in the window yesterday

1:14:34

the store was closed, but I saw it in the window.

1:14:36

It was a stuffed Betty.

1:14:38

Boop christmassed out

1:14:40

and like holding a heart that said

1:14:42

Noel. And I was like, oh, I got to get that for a friend.

1:14:45

Yeah, this is cute today.

1:14:47

Gone, I go, gone, I go. Did

1:14:49

someone buy it? She goes, it's vintage, babe.

1:14:51

She's like, it goes fast. I'm like, oh

1:14:54

shit, shit, you snooze,

1:14:56

you lose on the boop. But

1:14:58

she said that someone bought it for his girlfriend.

1:15:01

I was like, all right, but I'll take the baby I troll. Yeah,

1:15:04

I'm I am.

1:15:06

I will miss not being able to like

1:15:08

go to New York at all a little bit in the holiday

1:15:10

season. I do, like, even though like I go home to always

1:15:12

go into the city a little bit.

1:15:14

You know, did you see that Betty Gilpin

1:15:16

will be playing colas Sola's Park

1:15:18

And oh Mary, what are

1:15:21

your thoughts?

1:15:22

I'm shocked.

1:15:23

I mean she's talented, so I'm sure

1:15:25

she'll kill it, and like she had to audition, so

1:15:28

I know they needed may have a star to it. And

1:15:30

I'm curious because Cole is so per like it's

1:15:33

it's hard to imagine. I guess I'll say that I

1:15:35

have faith, but it's hard to imagine.

1:15:38

The part is so cold.

1:15:39

But I sold it to Jared and

1:15:41

he was like, Betty Gilpin is so talented

1:15:43

and funny, like he worked with her on one thing and

1:15:46

he like is obsessed with her, like how talented

1:15:48

she is. He thinks she's so great. And I've liked

1:15:50

her and stuff I've seen her, and I've never I guess

1:15:52

I haven't seen her be like hilariously funny.

1:15:54

I mean like she's dry, like she was very dry

1:15:57

funny in like glow and stuff

1:15:59

like that. And you're Jackie, but this

1:16:02

could be her time to Shackie. Oh my

1:16:04

god. Yeah, she's a nurse forgot.

1:16:07

Yeah, like her character on Nurse Jackie is like so funny.

1:16:09

She's like a rich girl, like kind of dumb doctor,

1:16:12

which is funny. But I'm

1:16:15

interested, like to hear what people say.

1:16:17

It's kind of cool. It is cool.

1:16:20

And they did some cool press and yeah,

1:16:23

yeah, well I'm

1:16:25

glad the show will keep going on, Like that's

1:16:27

that's exciting. Yeah, oh,

1:16:30

you know, I do have something else to say that's not about

1:16:32

the episode.

1:16:34

Another Jean Benet.

1:16:36

We don't need it, we don't need it. I put

1:16:38

it on and I was just born. In the first ten minutes, I

1:16:40

go, get me out of here.

1:16:41

What what's it on? Is it on like Netflix

1:16:43

or something? Yeah, there's a new Jean Benet.

1:16:45

And it's like, if you guys don't have new evidence,

1:16:48

what are we doing?

1:16:49

No.

1:16:49

In the beginning, it's like and there's no better

1:16:51

time to solve the crime. But now

1:16:53

and it's like, I don't know, I'm over it. Like

1:16:56

it's done, it's done. The mom's dead,

1:16:59

Like it's done. ABC

1:17:01

News says, progress being made. It's

1:17:03

like, what do you guys talking about?

1:17:05

Like the last documentary, the last

1:17:07

documentary that I watched of it a few years

1:17:09

ago was interesting because they

1:17:11

recreated the whole scene. There was a bunch of stuff that

1:17:13

was really interesting.

1:17:14

They remember that one.

1:17:15

Yeah, like remember when they were like, oh, by the way,

1:17:17

the DNA that was found in her underwear

1:17:19

was DNA from a worker in Thailand. Where

1:17:21

the underwear was made or something, or in Taiwan,

1:17:23

Like sorry, I might be saying the wrong country, but like it's

1:17:26

it's not the DNA of a criminal. Like it

1:17:28

was found that the DNA in like the there was no

1:17:30

like sexual element to her killing,

1:17:33

and that was like new information, you

1:17:35

know. So yeah, like

1:17:37

so there was there was some new info. But now

1:17:39

it's like how many years ago is that how you really found

1:17:41

more info enough for like a it just feels

1:17:43

like we keep trading on this poor little girl just because

1:17:45

she was like a little beauty queen and like the little poster

1:17:48

is shocking, you know.

1:17:49

It's weird. It's weird that there's another

1:17:51

one. Like I can't wait till one day

1:17:54

the news as we've solved it. Happy

1:17:57

to that and then you can make a documentary righting

1:18:00

the case. Yeah, but I

1:18:03

just am not into more

1:18:05

and more about it.

1:18:07

The thing is is like there's just like I

1:18:09

mean what I'm like because it's like are you making it

1:18:11

for perverts?

1:18:12

Like are you making this for perverts?

1:18:15

I know? But like every time I'm

1:18:17

home for the holidays, I'm watching true crime shit

1:18:19

with my family, so I can under I see why

1:18:21

business wise, these companies are just

1:18:24

pumping out more true crime docs for like the

1:18:26

holidays.

1:18:27

That's so fucked up, Like.

1:18:28

That is the guard of the way it is, you know, like people

1:18:31

are on Netflix, like that's when everybody

1:18:33

was watching Making a Murderer was over the holidays, like

1:18:35

when everybody like last year, well last

1:18:37

holiday or maybe it was just the summer,

1:18:40

and I was hold with my brothers when like two Lacey

1:18:43

and what's the guy that you think that you

1:18:45

you.

1:18:46

Tell you dare Scott? No, No, what's

1:18:48

his name?

1:18:48

What?

1:18:48

Scott Peterson? Like to Lazy Peterson? Scott

1:18:51

Peterson? Two Casey Anthony's

1:18:53

like the year before. You know, it's like everyone's just

1:18:55

making warring docs too with like it's

1:18:58

it's nuts.

1:19:00

But I think, Jean Beney, we need to like

1:19:02

give it a rest.

1:19:03

It's done. I just solve

1:19:06

it and then like and watch another thing.

1:19:09

But like he and

1:19:11

the dad, maybe the dad needs money. I mean

1:19:13

I don't know, yeah, yeah,

1:19:16

well, oh god, I

1:19:19

mean I don't know. Isn't the working theory that

1:19:21

her brother did it?

1:19:21

I don't know.

1:19:22

Do we need to keep like looking like it? Does

1:19:24

the dad want people to keep looking into like his son

1:19:26

possibly doing it.

1:19:27

I don't know, no, because he could have flipped on his son

1:19:29

a long time.

1:19:30

Ago, right, But that's what I'm

1:19:32

saying, Like, but doesn't the dad give consent

1:19:34

for these docks or does he not have to?

1:19:36

I don't know. No, he's in it. I saw him talking.

1:19:38

Oh he's in it, That's what I mean.

1:19:40

Like I started it and then I was like, I don't want

1:19:42

this, and I've been, you know, on

1:19:44

a King of the Hill thing,

1:19:47

so I just put that.

1:19:48

Back on nice. Well.

1:19:50

I think the bottom line from today's

1:19:53

episode is you can play video games,

1:19:55

but just like relax, like we don't need to be playing

1:19:57

like you know, forty hours in a row or whatever

1:19:59

that shit is, Like, keep an eye, keep

1:20:01

an eye on what your kids are playing, and in

1:20:03

that vein for this week's What Would Sister Peg

1:20:06

Do?

1:20:07

But don't we want to, I say, because like

1:20:09

I don't like when people shit on people that play

1:20:11

video games, because it's like, you know, it's like watching

1:20:13

too you know, any kind of hole.

1:20:14

It's like anything moderation, right,

1:20:17

like don't go too crazy. Yeah,

1:20:19

But we for this week's what Would

1:20:22

Sister Peg Do, which is our weekly segment

1:20:24

where we direct you guys to more information or

1:20:27

you know, organizations that can provide help

1:20:30

about anything that comes up in our episodes. We

1:20:32

wanted to point you this week to Gaming Addicts Anonymous.

1:20:34

I do think gaming addiction is real. People might

1:20:37

need help with it as much as they would for other vices

1:20:40

or you know, like issues that they have

1:20:42

with other things. So similar to AA groups,

1:20:44

this organization is quote a fellowship

1:20:46

of people who support each other in recovering from problems

1:20:48

resulting from excessive gameplaying. So

1:20:51

the only requirement for membership is a desire

1:20:53

to stop video gaming. If you want to find

1:20:55

a meeting or find out more information, head over

1:20:58

to Gaming Addicts anonymous DOTG.

1:21:00

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1:21:02

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1:21:05

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1:21:07

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1:21:10

And next week we keep

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chugging on through Nationwide

1:21:14

Manhunt Season seventeen, Episode

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fourteen, Get at

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1:21:26

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1:21:28

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1:21:33

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1:21:36

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