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Hello, welcome to That's Messed

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Up, an SVU podcast.

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I'm Kara Klank and I'm Liza

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Traeger, and here we talk SVU

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true crime. We talk to celeb

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guests or not, so you'll have

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to wait till the end to see

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what we got to tuck in here. I

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don't know, I mean it it is truly

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December tenth today. We are so in the time

0:51

machine, you are fully January

0:53

seventh.

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I mean, I don't know what we're supposed

0:56

to talk.

0:56

Like, we've already missed all the jokes

0:58

about January sixth. It's like New Year's

1:01

Resolutions have already come and gone by the

1:03

time this episode is coming out, you know, like

1:05

lot of our movies have been watched, everything

1:08

has done, but we can't come.

1:10

But we don't know. We don't know what we got for Christmas.

1:12

We don't know how the winter went. Like, oh,

1:14

we don't know if more CEOs

1:17

were gunned down in the streets. We do we

1:19

don't know. I mean was

1:21

here all the way in the beginning of December.

1:23

I mean tonight, in real time,

1:25

I'm gonna go see the Big Gay Jamboree's

1:30

it's a show. I don't know, but it's the star

1:32

from Tysanni and it's like

1:34

the piano player. I see a lot of club coming

1:36

who plays with cat and like the

1:40

I think the guy from snel

1:43

is on. It's just a show.

1:44

It's a show.

1:44

I don't know what to tell you, like like a variety

1:46

show, cabaret type thing.

1:48

Like no, I think it's a musical. It's a musical.

1:50

It's it's got it. Yeah,

1:52

the Big Gay Jamboree. I think it's like someone

1:55

is stuck in a gay musical.

1:56

I don't know. It's a play fun, that's

1:59

fun. Yeah.

2:00

Closes on the fifteenth of December, so you

2:02

can't even go how about that?

2:04

How about that?

2:05

It's so far in the future. We're so

2:08

far in the future, but

2:10

cant even know. We're uh,

2:13

we're we're still we're here. It's the

2:15

first episode of twenty twenty five. Big

2:18

plans for the new year, just

2:21

kidding. I don't have any big plans. I

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don't know we'll see. I don't know what's

2:26

gonna happen in twenty twenty five, but.

2:29

My Special Lill is hopefully still coming

2:31

out January twenty eighth. Who knows

2:34

what big things might happen from inauguration

2:36

to the special.

2:38

I don't know, but night

2:41

now comes out. I mean,

2:44

TikTok's even around now anymore or

2:46

not?

2:46

Like we're at a time now where Jane

2:50

like, TikTok might be illegal in

2:52

our land right now.

2:54

But yeah, and we're not even talking about it because

2:56

we don't know. It's just, you know, an idea

2:59

in the air. It's just

3:01

an idea in the air.

3:02

Yeah, I I will

3:05

see, I will be I will

3:07

be interested to see.

3:08

I mean, I don't know if he's gonna do anything that he says is gonna do.

3:10

We'll see, we'll see. I got friends moving

3:12

to Canada.

3:13

I don't know. I don't know what's gonna go on. Are

3:15

they rich? Rich rich people move into

3:17

Canada?

3:18

Yeah, one, it's one friend. I don't know why I said plural,

3:20

but it's him and his boyfriend. Uh, but yeah,

3:23

he's rich, so he can do that. And

3:25

well that was the thing.

3:26

It was like Roberts in here and like certain people being

3:28

like and I'm out of here. It's like no

3:30

one actually cares about you. Like you

3:32

were a millionaire with homes everywhere already,

3:35

so what is you leaving? Have any You're not doing

3:37

anything right, right? I mean

3:40

you should you should go survive. They kill

3:42

artists, like sure, if you're a millionaire. But it's just

3:44

like, I'm sorry, I don't care.

3:46

Ellen.

3:46

If you're moved to France, yeah, yeah,

3:48

yeah, I think you would have been fine.

3:51

So, oh, you know what I was going

3:53

to bring up.

3:55

This is probably old news at this point, but I caught

3:57

this and I took a screenshot of it. You know

3:59

the family that we talked about in

4:01

the Turpin family in California

4:03

in the esters Book Broster episode

4:06

that we did, did you guys know that?

4:08

According to Oprah Tyler, Perry

4:11

saw like a special about that family

4:13

and has taken care of them, like into

4:16

their adulthood, those kids. Like

4:19

he has financially taken care of that family.

4:22

Yeah, he's like a quiet good Samaritan.

4:24

Well yeah, he also you know, he famously

4:26

paid for security for U Megan

4:30

Markle And.

4:30

Oh that's right, that's right.

4:33

I think.

4:33

I mean he's very wealthy, and

4:36

I think he is doing

4:38

good stuff.

4:39

Wow, taking care of the this is good

4:41

news.

4:42

Yeah yeah, I thought it was like a little kid

4:44

he helped update.

4:46

Yeah.

4:47

Oh god, crazy

4:50

of all. Just I know these

4:52

children in sesque family vibes.

4:55

Wow, Tyler Perry, I'm just like obsessed.

5:00

I know he's killing it. I

5:03

don't know if I've ever seen a Tyler Perry project,

5:06

though I have seen one.

5:09

I went to see a

5:11

Medea Halloween or whatever the

5:13

Halloween was that came out like five four

5:15

or five years ago.

5:16

Uh huh.

5:17

We went with a big group of people and it was

5:19

the first time I had ever seen one of those

5:21

movies, and I was like, it was it was like an

5:23

interesting It was fun to go in a theater

5:26

with a bunch of friends.

5:26

But the movies are insane. I

5:29

mean they're they.

5:30

Literally star just the regular people

5:32

that are always in them, him playing seven characters

5:34

or whatever. And then he had a ton of like TikTok

5:37

people or Instagram stars that I had never

5:39

heard of before that were just in him. Oh.

5:42

I think I was on Jean Marco's podcast.

5:44

But the Tyler Perry playing all the characters.

5:46

Obviously Eddie Murphy played you know, like the

5:48

line of that. But I guess there's

5:51

a right wing conservative

5:53

guy and he like dresses in women's clothing

5:56

and like make up in a way.

5:56

Again it's like I'm trans but is uh?

5:59

Or you know, look at me?

6:01

But John Murco is bringing up that he's

6:03

never repeated an outfit, that it's all

6:05

sewn to perfection, and that his makeup

6:07

looks incredible, and like, I

6:10

wonder how many years into

6:12

this is he gonna be like, Oh I like this, you

6:15

know what I mean? Yeah, because all the things

6:17

like oh am I a woman now?

6:19

And it's like it seems like you're padding

6:21

is pretty on point. Yeah, you're

6:24

you're definitely looking up tutorials. You're

6:26

not just like spackling on some makeup here.

6:28

So yeah, because so the quote that he used

6:30

when I was I think I was on their pod

6:33

was like, if you write

6:35

a woman a sonet, you love her. If

6:37

you write someone five hundred sonnets, you love

6:39

sonnets. Yeah,

6:43

so I just thought. I

6:46

also just met a friend of a friend and

6:48

every Halloween he likes to get

6:50

really slutty. He goes, it's when women dress

6:52

slutty, and I like to honor that Halloween tradition,

6:55

and it's not always like woman slutty,

6:58

like sometimes I forgot

7:00

the option, you know, like the boor at the bathing suit's

7:02

kind of slutty.

7:03

Like you could.

7:04

But this past year he was a

7:06

Dallas Cowboys cheerleader like wig,

7:09

but nobody'd be like a full little outfit and he goes

7:11

out no jacket and it's very important to him

7:13

to just like be a part of Halloween culture.

7:16

And he said that they went to like a Broie

7:18

bar and this like big ass bro was like

7:20

going over and talk to me.

7:21

He's like, great, I'm gonna get fucked with.

7:22

But the guy said to

7:25

him, whenever I look in the mirror,

7:28

I wish I saw what you look like.

7:31

And so then he was like, oh okay.

7:33

And then his friend was talking to the guys

7:36

for like the two friends of these guys are talking

7:39

and the guy went, oh, no, my friend's trying to fuck your

7:41

friend for sure. So then I was thinking about

7:43

the pickup line of like wanting to see that in the

7:45

mirror but also fuck this person, and

7:47

yeah, I was just I've been thinking about it for days,

7:49

so shout out, wow.

7:53

That is interesting, geez.

7:56

Yeah, because his wife actually got

7:59

us a new list. I think his

8:01

his sister in law is now listening

8:03

to the pod, so welcome, but hello,

8:06

welcome to this. But yeah, to be

8:08

like, every time I look at the mirror, I wish I looked like you. So

8:10

it's like I just wonder how. I mean, we know howman

8:12

like. We know it's a lot because gay dudes

8:15

are fucking straight dudes all the time quote unquote

8:17

yes so, but I am curious how many

8:19

ultra aggressive, agro straight.

8:22

Guys are really like on Halloween.

8:25

Trying to fuck as straight

8:28

dude and a cowboy cheerleader outfit, and

8:32

how much of it is wanting to know fuck the person

8:34

and then be the person.

8:35

And it's just like, ye, so

8:38

wild, and.

8:39

There's like a narcissism in there, like you want

8:41

to fuck the person that you want to be also like

8:43

because you Yeah, I don't know, that's weird,

8:46

that's crazy. But I

8:48

hope that that guy finds what he's looking

8:50

for. I hope he finds the right cheerleader. Well, gays

8:53

do that for sure. They love to fuck

8:56

people that look like themselves. Oh, I have like so

8:58

many friends that are married to people that look

9:00

exactly like them. It's like, so it's

9:02

so crazy. Wait

9:06

you were speaking of you were talking about Eddie

9:08

Murphy for a second.

9:09

Just reminded me.

9:09

Did you see that Eddie Murphy and Martin Lawrence's kids

9:12

are engaged to each other?

9:13

I thought that was cute all that like

9:15

that.

9:16

Yeah, I think it's I think it's Eddie

9:18

Murphy's son and Martin Lawrence's daughter,

9:20

or I might be reversed, but like, yeah, they're.

9:22

Kind of the white version

9:24

of that.

9:25

I would says Tony Hawk's child

9:27

son is married to Kurt Cobain

9:29

and Courtney Yes' daughter, and

9:32

I feel like that's, uh, that's pretty

9:34

epic too. I mean the net posts

9:37

are just everywhere. I yeah,

9:39

and they're all, yeah, getting married. Why wouldn't

9:41

they marry each other?

9:42

Yeah?

9:42

Yeah, I kind of like, I kind of I think

9:45

that's like so cute. I mean everything

9:49

on the internet is about Luigi. It's really

9:51

hard to get away from it. I mean it's another week

9:53

and we still don't know what's going on

9:55

with that.

9:56

Yeah.

9:56

For me, it's like end of Era's tour. It's

9:58

still wicked over here. For us, it's still

10:00

Luigi. It's Oh

10:03

and then there was like a post where it's him and

10:05

jail being like, no, not Penn State,

10:08

Penn, Like yeah,

10:11

that.

10:11

Was like somebody said it last night. He

10:14

was like, oh, we went to Penn and I was like, oh, that was my dream school.

10:16

I wanted to go there. He did get in.

10:18

I really wanted to go to Penn. Well,

10:21

you know, I'll never be as good as Luigi. Should

10:23

we get started. I mean, I

10:26

got a great episode.

10:27

I know it's a really good episode. I

10:29

really like it.

10:30

I just feel like, oh,

10:33

a Southern Charm premiered, you

10:36

know, a month and a half ago, so talk

10:38

about statement of Southern farm.

10:41

But Shep, Oh my god, So you know, Shep's

10:43

always a mess and like, I don't

10:46

know much you know about it these for those who don't watch,

10:48

it's like descendants of slave

10:50

owners living in Charleston and they're all wealthy

10:52

and kind of douchey, and then a few you.

10:54

Know, Craig's and Northerner. But Shep's

10:58

just a mess.

10:59

He's a classic frat

11:01

boy, like a Will Ferrell wedding crashers in

11:03

his forties and last

11:05

Bravo con he got so fucked up to the

11:07

point like that was all part of the

11:10

reunion last season was like he fucked up so

11:12

bad, he was so blacked out, and everyone kind of

11:14

ditched him and didn't want to deal with his shit anymore. Like

11:16

Craig's like, I have a business, I have shit to do, Like

11:18

I'm not dealing with her blacked out ass.

11:21

And he does the most classic thing, which

11:23

is he does ayahuasca and then

11:25

he sits down and blames them for being

11:27

bad friends and abandoning him and taking no responsibility

11:30

for his drinking, and I just love

11:32

that, And

11:35

Craig's like, yeah, I've been drinking like ten minutes. I barely

11:37

drink anymore. Like I don't know what to tell you. I don't

11:39

want to hang out, like this is not a But then they have

11:41

to apologize and be like, yeah, we should have been.

11:43

There for you.

11:43

But it's like we've

11:45

seen this breakdown so many times,

11:47

like the fact that like you went to do

11:50

ayahuasca and it's still not like how I could

11:52

change.

11:53

It's like, you guys are actually bad friends. When I was

11:55

blacked out, so.

11:56

Yeah, I actually got a lot of clarity on something,

11:59

and it's that you guys are all wrong, Like you

12:01

guys are actually the beast.

12:02

That actually happened.

12:03

I went and had a drug journey with a big group

12:05

and one of the people who is I would say, the

12:08

most sunhinged. Her big takeaway

12:10

was that she has everything figured out and

12:12

she's right about everything, and she has no problems

12:14

and she solved them all.

12:16

Wow. That was her big powerful

12:19

drug. Wow.

12:20

That is so powerful. She's like, I have nothing

12:22

to work on. It's all good, and we're like, okay,

12:24

cool.

12:26

Everybody's like crying, throwing up,

12:28

like talking to spirits gone, and she's

12:30

like, I'm actually killing it. I don't know what to say.

12:33

Wow, Wow, I know who you're talking

12:35

about. I'm almost positive and that

12:37

makes a lot of sense. But

12:42

uh, I hope everybody's

12:44

getting uh is starting off

12:46

their year with a not a person

12:48

that's told them that they're the worst in after a drug

12:50

journey. But let's let's start right.

12:52

We've got a great episode today and

12:55

uh, don't go anywhere. It's about to start.

13:01

Okay, thrilled. I've been wanting

13:03

to do this episode for a while.

13:06

Prodigy Season three, episode

13:08

thirteen, Get with it, Okay.

13:11

So two cops that look

13:13

like they're straight from the Andy Griffith Show comically

13:15

giant hats.

13:16

These are uniform dorks and.

13:19

They're at a boat's slip doc area

13:22

talking boat lingo retirement plans,

13:25

and they're like and then one of them's like, retirement you haven't

13:27

even been here six months?

13:28

Like what?

13:29

But I guess that's the young The young post is

13:32

the boats. They see a man with

13:34

a Duffel in the middle of the night.

13:35

Not good.

13:37

They ask for his marina pass. Clearly

13:39

he doesn't have one. Why play these games?

13:41

Flashlights up the duffel boys starts

13:44

running. He tosses the bag into the water

13:46

and runs off. The chase is on until

13:49

they trip over another like active

13:51

crime scene. So that sucks, And

13:53

it's an old dead man suggestively posed

13:56

onto a young dead woman and

13:59

Pixie cut Benson quickly on the scene with

14:01

Stabler filling her in.

14:02

No wallet on the guy.

14:03

The woman is strip naked sexually positioned

14:06

after death and they're looking for

14:08

the weapon and then the hands

14:11

are missing of the woman and

14:13

then Benson goes and the head so

14:16

knock the.

14:18

Gruesome as they say, a gruesome

14:20

crime scene and.

14:23

You know, is it the man with the duffel or not?

14:26

They have him in custody so let's do a little chat.

14:28

They can't chat. He's deaf, and

14:30

that's the lead into the credits. So the big

14:32

dun done is they have to wait for an interpreter, and

14:35

that's the cliffhanger that we go into the

14:37

credits with. They got

14:39

him in cement room bars and he's annoyed and

14:41

you know he's signing with the detectives though. He goes, yeah,

14:43

I'm deaf, not dumb, because they're treating

14:46

him like like he's an idiot. He

14:48

doesn't want a lawyer though, because he did nothing wrong,

14:50

and they're like, okay, you were on the docks. He

14:53

goes, yeah, I couldn't sleep and I went for a walk

14:55

and he goes, I didn't hear them. The cops

14:57

announced themselves. I just saw a blinding light.

15:00

I was scared. The bag

15:02

was weighing me down. I had to go. They

15:04

accused the bag of having body parts, and the dude

15:06

is like what And then he's so grossed out

15:09

by the pictures and he's like, I don't know what you're pulling,

15:11

but this is not me okay, And

15:13

then they're like, then tell us.

15:14

What's in the bag. He goes, well, not body

15:16

parts.

15:17

And then Munch and Craig and walk and talk

15:19

and it's like, so this guy, you

15:21

know, it seems like a burglary. They found the bag,

15:24

there's two laptops and some jewelry. So

15:27

Sailor walks out to meet suspender Daddy

15:29

in the spy room and he's like, I don't

15:31

think the deaf dude did it, Like, you

15:33

know, his past crimes are weed and theft.

15:36

Like he's not covered in blood. I really

15:38

don't think it. So like

15:40

they just don't think it was him. And then so Craigan orders

15:42

to give this guy up to burglary and

15:44

then check out. Let's

15:47

check out the deaf community and see if

15:49

any of his enemies are missing.

15:51

So lol on that, like,

15:54

he can only have enemies that are deaf, And

15:56

so the brainstorm meeting starts. Now

15:59

why is she missing hand head? But the

16:01

man is fully intact. That's a good question.

16:03

Munch is like, maybe a cannibal, and Fin's

16:06

like, shut the fuck up. If it

16:08

was a cannibal, they would have used more fleshy

16:10

parts of his body. And then Craigan's

16:12

like, enough, boys, I want facts, not

16:14

theories. So

16:17

we have to go learn about the victims. Like, hopefully

16:19

that'll help us. So we go down to the emmy's office and

16:21

we have o'hallerin. He's cute, he's

16:23

young, We love him. The man

16:25

that is dead is in his mid fifties, the woman

16:28

early forties. They both had deep

16:30

stab wounds in their stomach, and

16:33

then the guy had lipstick on his dick and sperm

16:35

aside, so maybe they were having

16:37

sex, Like is it a rape?

16:39

Is it sex? Like?

16:40

What's going on? Is it an accident on purpose?

16:43

Like what's up? And then but the

16:45

dude had a wedding ring on, so Stabler's like, oh

16:48

no, no, this is married couples don't

16:50

fucking parks like this.

16:51

Something's up here.

16:52

So Hallerin goes, yeah, but I don't

16:54

think this woman's a working girl. I've

16:57

never met a working girl in her forties without any

16:59

cervical display, So maybe

17:01

a mistress. Again, they don't

17:03

look like they party together, so what's gonna

17:06

happen? Like he had a point one seven blood alcohol

17:08

and she was clean. There's

17:10

no print hits on him. But he is a peace

17:13

maker, a peacemaker. He's a pacemaker,

17:15

a pacemaker. So he because

17:17

of the numbers and the pacemaker. Uh,

17:20

doctors have to keep records on all of their

17:22

patients. So off to the office. We go

17:25

to Ruben's, the office

17:27

of Ned Rubin. You don't need

17:29

to know. It's an industries. I

17:31

can't believe it. We

17:34

go to a place with the pacemakers. The

17:36

guy, of course, is like privacy, privacy. Finn

17:39

and Munch are gonna like get him to talk. They threaten

17:41

him, so he goes. Okay, his name's Edward Bugs

17:43

and they have his wife in a little

17:45

sweater in woodroom blinds. She's very

17:48

Midwest to me. He works the night shift.

17:50

But why was he in the park. It doesn't make sense

17:53

to her. He works at Randall's Island.

17:56

She doesn't know why he was drinking, like ed

17:58

doesn't drink anymore. She's either

18:00

in denial or something's going on. They

18:03

ask if he's cheating on her, and she starts

18:05

to cry. It's like, okay, he's dead. Do

18:07

you have to bring this up right now?

18:09

Yeah?

18:10

Were you also being cheated on by your dead husband?

18:12

Like they really have no tapped

18:14

for special victims. Finn Munched

18:16

Craigan look onto Stabler and Benson

18:20

with her, and Finn is like, yeah, she did

18:22

it.

18:22

She killed them.

18:23

Look at her acting and it's like this

18:26

sad, sad woman, she did not mastermind

18:29

this murder, like she is not an actress.

18:31

Finn is so off his game here.

18:32

It's crazy, this shaky woman

18:35

no, and then Munch calls her meek mindy,

18:38

like she truly is not the

18:40

killer Finn, and Finn goes, she could have

18:42

hired a hit man, and it's like, oh yeah,

18:44

it's still season three. He hasn't learned yet

18:46

and this isn't a narcotics So

18:49

they go to a bar where

18:52

they think this guy was drinking and the bartender

18:54

remembers him he's had whiskey on the rocks there

18:56

every single night for the past two weeks. And

18:59

then Thursday though, he hooked up with

19:01

a regular whose name is Vinnie, and

19:03

Vinnie a scum. So what

19:05

we find out about them is like they talk about women,

19:08

and they did leave together because

19:11

something about ice cubes melting.

19:12

Oh, she goes, I

19:14

got to get back to work.

19:16

My ice cubes are melting, like so

19:19

funny to me, so like

19:21

there's so much like extra ice to

19:23

use, you don't have to use those, Like

19:26

how long could they have possibly been talking that the

19:28

ice cubes are melting. It's it's

19:30

a perfect bar seem so.

19:34

Anyways, we meet

19:36

Vinnie. We have Vinnie and cement room bars.

19:38

He's a scumbag. We love this guy. He has a silk

19:40

patterned top on. He's a

19:42

wise guy. Also familiar face. He's been

19:45

in four episodes of svo SO

19:47

season one, Bad Blood, season nine, Savant,

19:49

and season fourteen Girl Dishonored, and

19:52

he's been working on stop since the eighties.

19:54

He's been an oz Boardwalk Empire and

19:56

on Blue Bloods for two hundred and twenty three episodes

19:59

with small parts into twenty seven dresses, Wolf

20:01

of Wall Street and The Avengers.

20:02

Did I write his name down? I did not, but it's

20:05

him.

20:06

So he goes, screw you

20:08

and Benson goes, I can screw you harder.

20:11

How has that not been a gift?

20:12

That seems crazy, like for all the

20:15

horny SVU maniacs like for that

20:17

not to be like,

20:19

I can't believe we've never seen that.

20:22

Yeah, I was thinking that too.

20:23

I was like, why is that not up there with the captain and the pickle

20:25

or like I want your balls in a blunder, But ain't like that.

20:28

It's just as good. Yeah,

20:30

I can screw you harder.

20:32

Okay. So he's like, listen, me and

20:34

this sad guy.

20:35

We just talked shit about bitches, and

20:37

he especially talked shit about his female

20:40

ball busting boss. She fired

20:42

him two weeks ago for no reason.

20:45

But he hadn't told his wife yet about the firing.

20:47

That's why he was getting drunk and he was like building

20:49

up the courage to confess to his wife that night that you

20:52

know, that he has no job, and so

20:56

Vinnie wanted to go hunt for more women at another bar.

20:58

So this is where they split up.

20:59

So you know, it's like I gotta go talk

21:01

to my wife, and Vinnie's like, I'm

21:03

gonna go to try to get fucked, and

21:06

you know, nature called.

21:07

He goes to pee in Riverside Park.

21:09

Vinnie got a cab and you

21:12

know, it was like peace out, go have fun peeing. So

21:14

now we're back at the scene of the crime and Finn finds

21:16

blood on a tree. And they

21:18

did find bark in his forehead earlier,

21:21

so he was probably peeing at this tree while

21:24

right near him. In a fucking wild

21:26

turn of events, someone was killing and positioning

21:29

the dead woman, and so they had nothing to do, and

21:31

then Munch goes, okay, let's do a urine

21:33

analysis stat So they're

21:35

gonna check the piss on the tree. But

21:38

like, I can't even imagine going to like pee drunken

21:40

and then there's a crime scene and now you're dead. So

21:43

he had no connection to this woman at all.

21:46

But it also explains why his pants

21:48

were open as well, and the lipstick

21:50

on the dick obviously staged.

21:52

But like, did the killer

21:55

do that? Like, yeah,

21:58

oh, I guess he did cap there's a d capitation.

22:01

I guess you could have done it with like the dead.

22:03

Oh oh no,

22:06

sorry sorry, yeah, no, you're

22:08

right though. That does make a lot more logistical

22:10

sense.

22:12

But Benson gets a call at this moment and

22:14

a sewer worker in Brooklyn found the remains

22:16

of a hand.

22:18

It could be her hand. So now we have a close up

22:20

of the hand.

22:21

I'm not happy, and

22:23

it's Daniel Sunjatas So we have another

22:25

sexy emmy.

22:26

I can't believe how lucky we are.

22:28

And Okay, so he with

22:30

tweezers takes off like the

22:32

skin thumb print, but he needs to

22:34

put the thin skin thumb

22:36

skin on Benson's thumb to

22:39

get a good print, because you

22:41

can't just you know, take a floppy skin off

22:43

a dead thing. And also like rats

22:46

were biting on the hand. It really is

22:48

upsetting. So she puts on a

22:50

latex love and the thumb skin prints it down

22:52

and hopefully there's a hit of some sort.

22:54

She does not look happy. She looks like she's about

22:56

to throw up.

22:58

No, and the the like, hand

23:00

is this color kind

23:03

of looks like the Brann Stoker's Dracula

23:05

skin color, Like it is whiteish,

23:08

grayish, it's been underwater. It's

23:11

not good. Yeah

23:13

of the undead. Yeah, like anyway,

23:16

So Vicky, Vicky Vinnie

23:18

walks through the precinct and yells

23:21

past the Polly.

23:22

I love him, like truly, I wish I met him

23:24

out that night. I love this guy.

23:27

And Craigan walks in and goes hit

23:29

on the thumb print and Sally.

23:31

It's special Agent Pam Tilden

23:34

who works at the MFPCA,

23:36

the Dog Police. She investigated

23:38

people who fucked with animals and they do end

23:41

up being your future wife

23:43

beaters, child abusers, and serial killers. So

23:45

it makes sense to invest and investigate

23:47

and actually make true. I think, like peeping

23:50

Tom, anything

23:52

that leads to bigger crimes should be treated

23:54

super seriously. Yeah, if

23:56

we're talking prevention, if cops want to pretend

23:59

that they're at prevention, which they don't

24:01

even pretend anymore. So they

24:03

go to the dog cops and this dude

24:05

is like, damn, she might have known her killer fuck,

24:08

but we've learned that she was married to the job.

24:10

All about work. You know, she worked really hard.

24:13

And in this office there's snakes and iguanas,

24:16

and you know, we want to see the cases

24:19

to see if there's enemies. And they're going through the files

24:21

in the office. There was a dog fighting

24:23

ring she helped break up, so and

24:25

she took a bunch of pit bulls away and

24:28

then the kennel was vandalized. So

24:30

they go back to the MFPCA office

24:32

and they're like, dude, like to the guy

24:34

they talked to earlier, like why wouldn't

24:37

you tell us about the vandalizing, like your

24:39

girl's dead, and he goes, well, it was an isolated

24:41

incident months ago, like I didn't put it together.

24:43

And it's like, and you're a cop, okay. Perfect.

24:46

Benson pets a dog and calls him pooch,

24:48

which I don't really hear that a lot.

24:50

It was really cute.

24:51

And then there's another man that shows

24:54

up and he's kind of hot, I would say. And the hawkey

24:56

said that she would not go

24:58

to the park after dark unless she thought there

25:00

was a hurt animal in there, and that like she

25:03

she's not playing hopscotch.

25:06

It's all about the animals for her.

25:07

So they talked to this guy now and they're

25:10

like, anybody causing her trouble and he goes, yeah,

25:12

this one kid does. And they

25:14

go to a cage or a cat name's Slinky and

25:16

there's a bandage on her tail. He

25:18

poured paint thinner on the tail and set

25:21

it on fire. So and then this

25:23

this teen who did the paint thinner

25:25

on the cat is fifteen or sixteen years

25:27

old, and he would always cuss

25:29

out this Tilden woman. And he was

25:32

there part of a punishment because yeah,

25:34

he fucks with animals. So he got ten sessions

25:37

in their unit to work

25:39

with the shrink at

25:41

the animal place. So they go talk to this therapist.

25:43

Let's see what she's going to give us. So

25:49

they did this program because there's, like I said, there's

25:51

not much punishment for animal abuse. It's

25:53

a misdemeanor, and so they're thinking

25:55

like maybe this therapy program is what we can

25:57

do to actually make a difference.

26:00

The teen's name is Harry Baker.

26:01

He's a cat torture and she

26:04

said if he did any direct

26:06

threats like that, she would have reported it asap.

26:08

And Siebler goes, well, what do you mean direct threats?

26:11

And she's like, listen. He's an aggressive, angry

26:13

boy who had a positive talk screen

26:15

of at birth for cocaine. So

26:18

and then his mom was a stripper and would bring him

26:20

to the to work all the time, so he grew up

26:22

at the strip club. She couldn't afford daycare. He

26:24

was born with cocaine a system, so he's got

26:26

some issues. But also he's in

26:28

the gifted program, very smart and

26:30

he has a lot of potential, but for

26:33

now he's very predatory.

26:35

So we get a little Cabot action. She drops

26:37

a file on Benson's desk where Benson's

26:40

hard at work, and Cabot says, you can thank me later,

26:42

but here's Harry Baker's file, and

26:44

Benson wants more in Cabot's like, okay, on a

26:46

juvie, You're lucky you have what I gave you.

26:49

But we get a little more insight on

26:51

Pam and Harry's relationship because we

26:53

find out that she like

26:55

based on her filings, like

26:58

the probation officer quested intense

27:00

supervision on him, and it was because

27:03

Agent Tilden had suspicion of numerous

27:05

I can't even unadjudicated prior

27:07

offenses. So and Bensa

27:09

goes, well what are those? And Cabots, like Lord knows,

27:12

Benson tells Habit to get more info.

27:15

So we're in a walk and talk in the middle of the marble

27:17

courthouse hallways and she is a busy

27:19

bee and like she like, so she goes to this woman

27:22

to try to talk to her, and immediately the woman goes, what do you want?

27:24

Like, I know, you're not just talking to me. So

27:26

this woman that Cabot wants a favor like information

27:29

from goes listen. Usually with these juvenile

27:31

cases, it's a cry for help and the kid is being

27:33

abused, but I found nothing like that with

27:35

Harry. Actually, we just found dozens

27:37

more dead and mutilated animals, but

27:39

they couldn't really connect him to any of it.

27:42

And the closest they got was this girl

27:45

who he had the hots for who

27:47

said no, thank you. And so then one

27:49

day she's at the deli, you know, her dog's tied

27:52

up outside, and then the next second her dog

27:54

is gone, and then it was decapitated

27:56

on her stoop the next day. So

27:59

Cabot's like eek. And

28:01

then we go to Harry's mom's house. So

28:03

her name is Daisy. We're at West ninety

28:06

eighth Street, and then they're

28:08

like, where was your son Thursday night? And she goes, oh,

28:10

he's a dork, like reading in his room like always.

28:13

And she goes that I had company, and

28:15

so she sleeps on a pull out couch in the living room

28:18

and Harry's room is just right there

28:20

with a beaded curtain, and it's like, if you're gonna

28:22

fuck in the living room, give your son

28:24

a real door, you know what I mean. I

28:26

so it's just like beaded vibes. He's

28:28

just like listening to his mom fuck like no wonder.

28:31

He's like, you know, putting paints in her own cattails.

28:33

They ask about his history killing

28:35

animals and she says, oh, he would never do

28:38

that, boy mom. And she's

28:42

in she's in a red

28:44

bra and ready to clown and she thinks

28:46

all the stuff is lies, and everyone's

28:48

jealous of her son because he's so smart and he's

28:51

just misunderstood.

28:52

And then she brags.

28:53

She goes, he is so good at science,

28:55

he's the best frog he's so good at frog

28:58

dissection skills. And I'm like, I

29:00

don't know if this is what you brag about when they're investigating

29:02

him for animal abuse, for like, he's

29:04

really good at dissecting frogs. And she goes,

29:07

but he's just really curious about all the anatomy

29:09

and stuff. So they asked to look in his room

29:11

and she goes, oh, he has nothing to hide, go on

29:13

in there, and she goes into the bathroom like she won't even

29:15

watch them. This room is crazy. It

29:18

is covered in newspapers everywhere,

29:20

all crime, So for the mom to say there's

29:22

nothing to hide is truly insane. This

29:24

room is covered in newspapers as

29:27

wallpaper, all crime and murder

29:29

stories, like red paint

29:31

looking like blood. And there's a fire

29:34

escape right outside his window so he can sneak

29:36

out whenever he wants. And then every single book

29:38

on his shelf is a crime book or about

29:40

police procedure, or about a serial

29:42

killer. Yikes, and then Michael

29:45

Pitt walks in and he has

29:47

like a Nick Carter boy band hair blonde

29:50

situation. He's famous

29:52

for a Murder by the Numbers and

29:54

if it wasn't for Leonardo DiCaprio, I think he would

29:56

have had a better career because he is hot and good.

29:59

Yeah, he was this movie.

30:00

When I was living in Italy in two thousand

30:02

and three, we had to just go see movies

30:05

that were available in English, and like, there weren't that

30:07

many. So I went to go see this movie called The Dreamers.

30:09

Have you ever heard of this movie? Yeah, I was

30:11

pretty famous and sexy. Oh

30:13

okay, yeah, and I was like, oh,

30:16

like it was like so it was like he meets

30:18

a brother and sister and they like just threesome

30:20

it up all over the place. I just hadn't really seen

30:22

a big movie like that before with so much incest,

30:24

even though I wasn't a SVU watcher the

30:26

big screen, you know. But

30:29

yes, totally, he had such a Leo vibe.

30:32

Oh yeah, go to run in Boardwalk Empire.

30:34

That makes me happy. Twenty four episodes.

30:37

Okay, he's like it still working,

30:40

I feel it is.

30:41

But nothing like what you would Oh.

30:43

He was in bully. I forgot that. Oh

30:47

Dawson's Creek.

30:49

I don't know. He's just like so hot. I guess to

30:51

me, it's just murdered by the numbers and SVU. Oh

30:54

funny games. I was like too scared to watch

30:56

it. I want to watch it, but it's so scary.

30:58

It's like he kidnaps

31:01

like two psychomen take a family

31:03

hostage. Yes, watch

31:06

so scary, so scary. The trailer

31:09

alone was scary enough for me. Maybe

31:11

I'll really push myself. Oh my

31:13

god, I'm on its page and it says Tim Roth.

31:15

He said making this film traumatized him and he'll

31:17

never watch it. He said he was particularly

31:20

disturbed because one of the

31:22

guys resembled his own son.

31:25

Oh oh god, Yeah, that's

31:27

the scary one, because that one's like kind of like this one

31:30

Martyrs that Jared almost

31:32

fainted when he watched it.

31:33

He stood up and he almost fainted.

31:34

It's this movie called Martyrs that's also like a home

31:37

invasion that's like supposed to be really really Also,

31:39

Michael Pitt, if anybody watched Hannibal, which

31:41

I watched, that show was so fucking unhinged, but

31:43

I watched all of it. He plays this insane

31:46

character named Mason Verger Michael Pitt

31:48

does.

31:48

That's the last thing I've seen.

31:49

So yeah, he does play psychos, but like,

31:51

yeah, that are pained, you know, I

31:53

don't know.

31:54

Yes, yes, tortured

31:56

psychos.

31:57

Tortured psychos

32:00

on his resume as special skills.

32:02

Fucked with his face though, oh

32:05

maybe, I mean yeah.

32:07

I wonder if he can only

32:09

play this kind of psycho, Like I wonder

32:11

if you know it is Leonardo DiCaprio.

32:14

Oh wow, he was headwig crazy.

32:16

He also is just really good, like so

32:19

scary, Like I don't know, I don't know if you

32:21

can come back to be like a romantic lead

32:23

when you've been this like scary scary

32:26

guy.

32:27

Yeah, there's something more menacing than Leonardo DiCaprio.

32:30

Yeah, yeah, but whatever.

32:32

He walks in as they're searching his creepy

32:35

little room. Then the mom went, He's got nothing

32:37

to hide, truly, not one, not murder.

32:39

Thing, like like a murder

32:41

layer.

32:42

So clueless. Even

32:44

if it wasn't articles about murder and

32:46

just newspaper lining the walls, I'd

32:49

be like, I'm gonna bring my son for a test, you

32:51

know, I'd be like I'm a little worried about what's going

32:53

on here. Yeah,

32:55

but he goes, hey, guys looking for something

32:58

and then they go, yeah, babe, we have some questions.

33:00

He goes, oh, is this about Pam. It really

33:03

sucks. You know, we were kind of tight. He's

33:05

like, Pam was cool and her death

33:07

was so whack, but they never published

33:09

all the details. Can you give me some and

33:11

Benson goes, no, can you? And he

33:14

goes in his street clothes onto his bed. If

33:16

we needed any more evidence that this is a psychopath,

33:18

and then they go it seems like your interests

33:21

are weird, you know, kind of dark, and

33:23

he goes, yeah, my therapist agrees with you that

33:25

I have an aggressive view of the world and

33:27

a predatory drive, and

33:30

if I don't get it together, I could wind up

33:32

a cop.

33:34

He's funny, Okay, So

33:37

so.

33:37

Then they ask about Carrie, the girl

33:39

with the missing dog that was found to capitate

33:41

it, and he says, yeah, she

33:44

was mad. I broke her heart and they

33:46

go what by killing her dog? And he

33:48

goes, no, no, no, I don't mean to sound egotistical,

33:50

but I drive the girl is a little crazy.

33:53

He's very calm, he's very cocky, and

33:55

they go talk to Carrie. She's

33:58

working at a pizza restaurant. She's making pizzays.

34:01

She says he was creepy and is horrible

34:03

and like wouldn't stop.

34:05

Calling her and following her around.

34:07

And he's like he would

34:09

say that he dreamed that they would die in a car crash

34:11

together, and there's all

34:13

these letters and she did tell the cops,

34:16

but he puts on the charm and that was that and

34:18

suddenly she's the nutcase in school.

34:21

And her friends were also like, girl, he's cute. What's

34:23

the problem.

34:24

And Munch and Finn are like, well, we need to get him off

34:26

the street, but we need your help, and she goes, oh, you

34:28

don't get it. All I did was turn him down

34:31

for a date and he killed my dog. I'm

34:33

not messing with Harry. Thank you bye.

34:35

Can I please work my minimum wage job

34:37

the fuck out of here. Finn

34:40

is like, is there anyone that could help us? And

34:42

so we wud go off to Andrew Johnson

34:44

High School. In the bathroom, they're

34:46

looking for someone named Philip who's hiding

34:48

in the bathroom like scary movie style, you

34:50

know what I mean, like the standing on a toilet and

34:53

he's huffing cooking. So okay,

34:56

he's huffing, cooking spray like rolls

34:58

out of a stall. He's in the flan and

35:02

he goes, we don't hang out anymore. That guy's obsessed

35:04

with death, and you know, he's.

35:06

Like, I just want to huff in peace, and he just keeps talking

35:08

about murdering pets.

35:13

He goes, yeah, I don't. I don't like cats either, But

35:15

that guy what a super freak. They

35:17

threatened to tell on him for huffing. So

35:19

he spills the beans on Harry's special little

35:21

hiding spot. So they are off in

35:24

Central Park and I wonder how close this

35:26

is to Cynthia Nixon's character's

35:29

spider dwelling that she hunts

35:32

hunts in. But so

35:34

he likes to be alone with his collection of

35:36

skulls and stuff. So he's

35:39

been slicing and dicing free things for years.

35:42

So we got to find this stuff. And it's a big

35:44

park crew. Everyone's searching. Craigan

35:46

and Huang are having a beautiful

35:49

you know, it's bare trees, but still

35:51

exciting walking down a hill of the

35:53

park and Huang gives his low down, so

35:55

he goes sadistic sociopath likes

35:57

to take his time, draws, you

35:59

know, raws out the pain. Likes control and domination.

36:02

And then during the torture there's like no empathy

36:05

and afterward no remorse. And

36:07

then they find a cooler buried. They opened

36:09

it and there's just tons of animal skulls,

36:12

about a dozen small animals and

36:14

a knife. So we find a big hunting

36:16

knife. We get it to the lab immediately. Michael

36:19

Pitt is in cement room bars with his mom, who's

36:21

wearing a going out top, and he is

36:23

still thinking this is a joke and

36:25

they're and you know.

36:27

Lol, they think I murdered two people. That's

36:29

why we're here, mom, And the mom

36:31

is like, he gets straight, A's it's not him.

36:33

And they show the animal skull collection photos

36:36

to her and she gets a little loud and Harry goes

36:38

sh and then outlines

36:40

police tactics and like what they're gonna

36:42

do, and he's just very smug. He

36:44

also has a sheepskin fur lined coat, and I

36:47

wonder if Stabler's like, damn, that's a nice coat.

36:49

We got a book him so I can take it. And

36:51

then he does a monologue about all the

36:54

great killers and their

36:56

mos and their path to infamy. He

36:59

talks about shooters. There's just

37:01

a lot of monologues, and the mom screams.

37:03

She's like stop it, and he snickers

37:06

at her, and Cabot and Huang are watching in the spy

37:08

window, and she says, damn, that's one cold

37:10

kid, and then the mom needs a break, so

37:12

Benson walks her out and she

37:15

waved her sons and Miranda rights. Okay,

37:18

that's weird, And in

37:20

my head, I would like a T shirt that says

37:22

Miranda Rights, but with a

37:24

drawing of like Miranda from

37:26

her episode alternate with face.

37:30

Oh my god, yes, her with her little pigtails,

37:32

and then it just says Miranda Rights.

37:35

I wish for all all

37:37

of the alter egos in that episode.

37:39

But it's funny. It's called Miranda Rights.

37:42

It's kind of fun.

37:42

And I don't know why there hasn't been a sex in the City crossover,

37:45

So get it together. Benson

37:48

to Cabot and Craigan, and Huang is like, fuck, this

37:50

kid knows all of the tricks, so he is doing

37:52

a good job. Even Benson's like, okay, he does

37:54

know what we're up to. So Huang gets

37:56

an idea. He's like his ego is huge,

37:59

so like get him to talk and third person and hypotheticals

38:01

like what could it? Like, He's not going to get

38:04

bogged down, but he wants to play this game

38:06

of like instructing and informing the

38:08

police. So Benson amps

38:10

herself up and is like, okay, let's do this.

38:12

Stabler's in there playing basic threat games

38:15

and like, oh, the knife of the DNA is going to match

38:17

the victims and he goes, bitch, if that was me, I would

38:19

have cleaned it very thoroughly. And so

38:22

Benson starts playing you know her games

38:24

and she goes, well, then who was it? And he says,

38:26

I can't do that, like I don't know, and she goes, wow,

38:29

all those books and you can't put together a simple

38:31

profile.

38:32

And I like that.

38:33

He knows all the tricks, but this one thing, just like

38:35

the ego, is just too strong.

38:36

He has to get involved. He gets down to

38:38

work.

38:39

He's like, okay, white male, late thirties, early

38:42

forties, menial job, lives alone,

38:44

already in the park, was waiting in the shadows.

38:47

It took her a while to find him, but the hunt

38:50

is the most fun part. And Benson

38:52

is like, wait, find what and he goes, well,

38:54

a wounded animal. If he knew

38:56

her, that's what he would use as bait, Like why

38:58

else would she go in there? And Benson

39:01

goes like damn okay, and

39:03

like why would why would he have to like

39:05

put why even do this? And his

39:07

guess is maybe she rejected his advances.

39:11

Takes her to a private place to be alone with her

39:13

for a while because you know, he owns

39:15

her now, her body and soul. I

39:17

mean, he is so creepy and

39:20

now he can do whatever he wants. And Ben's

39:22

it's like, wait, but Tilden was in prime physical

39:24

condition, like an had a gun on

39:26

her. How did he overpower her? And

39:29

he goes, oh, she never saw him. She

39:31

was too focused and bent over this animal.

39:33

It was a blitz attack and I'm

39:35

sure he used something handy like a rock

39:38

and he looks at her super evil like, and then

39:40

Stabler makes eyes at the spy window and

39:42

Huang is like, wait, was the rock detail

39:44

ever released?

39:45

And Cabot says no.

39:46

Craigan goes, maybe a lucky guess, and Cabot

39:48

goes, I don't give a fuck if it's a psychic vision,

39:51

book him. So we get to book him

39:54

and then they're processing Harry and

39:56

then when they walk back into the precinct,

39:59

Benson goes, oh god, he hit on the mugshot

40:01

photographer.

40:02

Can you even believe it?

40:03

And they're all shocked, and it's like he is

40:06

hot, Like I don't know why, They're

40:08

all like can you believe

40:10

this flirty maniac? It's like, yeah,

40:12

he's a hot teen I don't I just I don't

40:15

know, with an inflated ego.

40:18

So yeah, but I'm sure

40:20

he gets rejected all this time.

40:21

Like he is creepy, yeah,

40:24

extremely, but all her friends still

40:26

blamed the girl for not going out with

40:28

him anyways.

40:29

That's crazy. You know. Wait,

40:32

have I talked about this before?

40:33

This like thing I've I might try to write

40:35

a bit about it, but like I've noticed this happens

40:37

on housewives where they'll be like, uh,

40:40

I just have a hard time with women because after

40:42

my husband cheated on me and left me with nothing,

40:45

all my girlfriends turn their backs on me, and

40:47

it's like what about the

40:49

husband? You know, But

40:52

this happens so much where they're like, well, the

40:55

women stopped talking to me after my husband

40:57

destroyed my life, and it's like they're still

40:59

just more maybe we just expect

41:01

more from her girlfriends.

41:02

I don't know. It's just interesting.

41:06

I wonder if some of her friends went

41:08

on dates with him after he did that to Slinky.

41:11

Wait what, oh Slinky the dog,

41:13

the cat? The cat dog? Oh yeah, the cat's

41:15

slinky. The cat's separate. My bad, I

41:18

don't remember the dog's name, Slinky.

41:22

I like that as a little pet name, Slinky.

41:24

I know, is that the name of the dog and toy

41:26

story or no? Or

41:29

he just has a slinky? Yes, I think his

41:31

name.

41:31

Or is it slink or something? No, it's slinky.

41:34

Oh, it's but you're

41:36

right, often referred to as slink. Yeah,

41:39

because Rosie Took corrected me the other day

41:41

when I said, she.

41:42

Goes No, his name is slink. I

41:45

always liked him. I still have a

41:48

toy from my younger years of him.

41:50

And the new ones. They really like forky.

41:54

Oh you know a

41:56

sport.

41:57

Yeah?

41:58

But is it he called forky? Oh?

42:00

I have no idea. I think you've seen these

42:02

more.

42:02

It's yes, yeah,

42:05

Porky is really cute, but he is a spork.

42:07

You're correct, he is.

42:09

You know what's fucked up?

42:10

I've seen every toy story except for two Oh,

42:13

what the fuck with Jesse, which I feel like I would

42:16

be connected to.

42:17

Yeah, it's a good one, but neither

42:20

here nor there.

42:21

Okay, so the knife comes

42:23

back clean, damn it.

42:25

So now we have to like see when the call

42:28

came in for the animal in the

42:30

park. So at six thirty seven,

42:32

she got a call from MFPCA,

42:35

and but it wasn't from the dispatch,

42:37

so that's a little suspicious,

42:40

like the call came from the kennels. And

42:42

then guess what an employee that works

42:44

at the MFPCA pops

42:46

up in the system. It's the guy from earlier

42:49

who I thought was hot, Joe Paletti, and

42:51

he's a dog walker there, menial job.

42:53

Craigan looks pissed.

42:56

Joe is a seven time rapist,

42:58

so they bring his acid in and how dare he get

43:00

hired? Like, you know, it

43:02

is a police

43:05

run kennel. Yeah,

43:07

how do they have a seven time rapist working there?

43:10

I mean, you're right, they're

43:13

all over the place, like they're everywhere,

43:15

I mean, what the fuck? So

43:17

anyways, in classic US view fashion, there's

43:19

a meet and greet in the lobby. So Michael Pitt

43:21

sees the dog kennel guy and

43:24

he goes, oh cool, the guy from the kettle,

43:26

I know him.

43:26

Wait did he do it?

43:28

And Stabler goes to tower over him

43:30

and flecks his ass, like we hate him, but

43:32

they have to cut him loose, so he leaves.

43:34

Palettia is now it's his turn in the cement

43:37

room bars and he goes, listen, I was

43:39

in Atlantic City gambling and they go,

43:41

but you called from the kennel and he's denying

43:43

it and says a lot of people have access to

43:45

that phone. And then he says that he took

43:48

the van like his van's Atlantic City,

43:50

but the van was actually stolen, so I

43:52

don't know what to tell you, and they go,

43:55

can you even fucking breathe without lying? You're

43:57

bullshit? And why didn't you

43:59

file police report for your missing van?

44:01

Huh?

44:02

And Stabler's like, don't worry, we'll find the van for

44:04

you. And then they ask if anyone at

44:06

work knows about him being a rapist. He

44:09

says it never came up, which is a parole violation

44:11

to not disclose on a job application.

44:14

I guess for dog walking. Maybe they don't check. I

44:16

don't know.

44:17

So his first charge, when he was eighteen, he served

44:19

three years for raping his fourteen year old girlfriend,

44:22

and then a bunch of break ins and rapes

44:25

happened, and he says he doesn't have those feelings

44:27

anymore, and Benson's like, okay, well

44:29

you'd be the first one I've come across, and he goes,

44:31

I got help. I've never missed a session.

44:34

It's been three years since I got out. And

44:36

they try to break him down and he goes, yes, I was

44:38

sick back then, but you know how many

44:40

of those people did I kill?

44:41

None?

44:42

That's not my thing, and they're like, yeah,

44:44

but you realize with living witnesses, you had to go

44:46

to jail for twelve years. This time, you

44:48

didn't want to go back to jail, so you fucking killed

44:50

Pam and ed and he's like, no, I

44:52

did in he's screaming no.

44:54

He goes, I'm rehabilitated.

44:56

So now they're like, you know, they tore Paletti's

44:58

house up and all they found was black casket,

45:00

mini trunk box situation, and

45:03

it's filled with Victoria's secret catalogs,

45:05

strip club flyers, personal ads,

45:07

sex chats like printed

45:10

out, and just a box of creepy

45:12

stuff. And Munch also finds twenty

45:14

short stories of wal to Wall rape

45:16

torture, Like walt Wall is a

45:18

funny word to me. It's usually like wal

45:20

to Wall laughs, like about movies. So I've just

45:22

like never heard wal to Wall

45:24

rape torture. Yeah,

45:27

he sent the stories to some sex Defender

45:30

buddies and he has a letter

45:32

like from one of his friends going, Yo, this is the best

45:34

story yet. And Kabot's like, give

45:36

those to me and snatches them away, and

45:39

we're we are at chambers. We're at Judge Petrowski's

45:41

office, and Joe does have a

45:43

good lawyer, cleo'conrad Joe Marie

45:46

Lawrence. So she's there and

45:48

she goes, it's his private thoughts and Kabba goes,

45:50

then why am I reading them off a piece of paper?

45:53

And they go back and forth for

45:55

a while. You can use it, you cannot?

45:58

Can we write it? And then Cleo says this

46:00

is back door and you know it, and Cabot

46:02

goes, your client open that door. I

46:05

like love that. So we're

46:07

going to core or not, Like what's

46:09

what's gonna happen? So the judge is like, I think

46:11

this is overreaching, but I'm gonna let a

46:13

Jerry decide. Cleo is pissed, Cabot

46:16

is smug. We're at trial and

46:18

straight to the verdict and the sole

46:20

count of obscenity in the third degree. They do

46:22

find the defendant guilty.

46:25

He shocked.

46:25

Cleo's annoyed. He gets remanded gavel

46:28

pound. So then Stabler and Benson

46:30

slowly walk on over to Cabot and they're

46:33

like, okay, girl, fun and then they

46:35

Benson goes, nice, snow.

46:36

Job, what does that mean? Um?

46:41

And then Cabot's like, I mean, they asked me to stop

46:43

reading from the story in less than a page, I

46:45

know, she says, in less than a page she knew

46:47

it was him.

46:48

Yeah, it says a deception or concealment of one's

46:50

real motive in an attempt to flatter or persuade.

46:54

Oh okay, so it was like a fake case

46:57

with these letters to get him off the street to then

46:59

go find evidence. Okay, So

47:01

yeah, they read the stories out loud. They were so disgusting,

47:03

like she knew that the jury was going to convict.

47:06

But Stabler's like, it's only one year. And

47:08

then Cabot goes, well, there's no statute of limitations

47:11

on murder, so go do your job, and we can give

47:13

him more time, and they're like, there's no evidence,

47:15

and Cabbot goes, yeah, that year is what

47:18

I just bought you to find the head, and

47:20

yeah, she's putting them to work. So they breathe

47:23

deep and they're like, fuck, we have to find this

47:25

head. Benson walks off. Sailor turns

47:27

around and there is Harry chilling

47:30

and he's like, yeah, I'm just doing homework. He

47:32

has a pen in his mouth, like really relaxed

47:34

and sassy, holding his notebook and

47:36

this is just pissing Stabler off. So Stabler

47:39

grabs him by the collar pushes him

47:41

against the wall. But then the

47:43

best part is Stablor goes, come here, you

47:45

sick little freak. And I like that.

47:47

That's a good T shirt too. Came here are you sick

47:50

little freak? He's like, whoa, whoa, whoa whoa,

47:52

babe, there are witnesses here. Criminology

47:54

one oh one. If you want to break the law and make sure

47:56

no one's around, and Stablor goes,

47:58

oh, you think you're really cute, don't you,

48:00

And he goes twenty three cheerleaders can't be wrong,

48:03

and it's like ugh, like you're such a loser.

48:05

You're hot stop. But I guess, says mom,

48:07

you know fucked him up. So Stabler says,

48:09

I know where you live, I know where you learn, and

48:11

I know where you bury your kill. So get

48:13

used to seeing my face because you're gonna

48:16

see it everywhere you turn. And he goes,

48:18

don't lose your head, detective, You're already

48:20

having enough trouble finding one. And

48:22

then Stablor goes, eh, that's good. You

48:24

know we found your whole stash.

48:26

And you know he knows it's not true. So

48:29

then Michael Pitt goes, hello,

48:31

you think there's just one. There's never just

48:34

one, and then he pouts and the camera

48:36

stays on his face for like ten seconds.

48:38

And now we're outside of court and Stabler's like, oh my god,

48:41

we gave up too easy. We have to find

48:43

Pialetti's real stash. And

48:45

it's like, so is Harry not a suspect anymore

48:47

at all? Because even when

48:49

I heard him be like, there's never just one stash,

48:51

detective, I was thinking,

48:53

oh, it's Harry's stash, like that,

48:56

there's he has another stash with this head.

48:59

But I guess his profile was right

49:01

and it is Polletti. But I just thought they would

49:03

be investigating both of them. So it's like, I know,

49:05

I actually this is like I was confused.

49:07

I thought when they go find him that like that Harry

49:10

somehow is like framing POLLETTI like I didn't

49:12

know how this was going, like at a good

49:14

episode.

49:15

Yeah.

49:15

So but they find

49:17

the stolen van of Paletti, so the detectives

49:20

full teamwork, and Stabler sees bloodstains.

49:23

It's canine blood though, so the Emmy who

49:25

we don't Okay, So there's four CSU

49:27

texts in this episode. Four because

49:30

we saw Bert Trevor, we saw

49:32

hallerin and then there's two unknowns

49:34

who have like only one episode each. But I can't believe

49:37

there's four in this episode. Yeah,

49:40

I wonder why they didn't just reuse people. But it

49:43

Yeah, the blood didn't help

49:45

because it is dog blood, but they

49:47

have but but also what animal did

49:49

they use? Like what dead animal was in the park, Like

49:51

they never really tell us about that, Like it could have been

49:53

this blood that they find in Yeah. Yeah, but

49:56

anyway, so the blood didn't help. But there's dirt on

49:58

the tires that's going to lead to some thing. There's

50:00

marine sand in bedrock. It's from South

50:03

Jersey. Glass beads,

50:05

reflective paint. U turn pull

50:07

off. I can't with the soil

50:09

info. He spun his wheels in

50:11

the mud, he got out of the van, dumped

50:14

the head, and flew out of there. So it's

50:16

like, okay, but where So it has to be somewhere

50:18

in Jersey or near Atlantic City, like where

50:20

are we? We want more info? And

50:22

he says that the soil had chemical

50:25

byproducts. X ray fluorescent spectrometer

50:28

will help him figure out.

50:29

Shut the fuck up, you know.

50:30

And then he's like with the

50:32

levels like this, this dude was

50:34

like on top of a chemical plant drainage

50:37

ditch. And so it's like, okay, I

50:39

guess we'll go check all these plants. Like what are

50:41

we gonna do? He gambled till five thirty

50:43

am. He used the player's card at the casino,

50:46

so they know the exact hours he was playing.

50:49

And then there there's like squeaking markers

50:52

all around the board map the journey, their

50:54

map, questing how you know what?

50:56

How are they going to figure out?

50:57

Then the science cop did all those tests

50:59

on the dirt that he was bragging about,

51:02

and he goes high levels of mercury. It's

51:04

mercury salt Brian

51:06

and currants and chlorine sodium

51:09

hydroxide. Get me out of this mess.

51:11

And so then he goes and low pH

51:14

level and hydrochloronic acid,

51:16

and finally Craigan yells what we're all thinking, which

51:18

is how many plants have this mercury?

51:21

Like we do not care about this stuff, Like

51:23

you could talk to cabin about the science for core

51:26

and he goes, only one plant. You've

51:28

wasted so much time you could have been like,

51:30

we connected it. So

51:32

it's IDJ Chemicals. So

51:36

we're at IDJ Chemicals and

51:38

all these divers. There's a big team looking

51:40

for the head, and there's tire

51:42

marks, and so we know that he was

51:44

there. The tire marks match and they're

51:46

starting to give up Pupe. They find a box

51:49

of his crap, but it's just an old Robier cans

51:51

and cigarette butts. But then there's an earring

51:53

and Benson's like, wait what and she grabs

51:55

a little evidence bag and in it is

51:57

a fucking dog earring.

51:59

Okay, like who loves dogs?

52:01

But this dog cop and so you

52:04

know, and I can't believe it's him and not Michael pitt

52:06

Or they're not working together.

52:07

I'm just like so shocked at all of this.

52:09

So yeah, we go to see

52:11

Joe and he's like, so

52:13

we it's Stabler. So Stabler goes

52:15

to see Joe getting like, you know, moved

52:17

around in the cells. It's like really dark prison

52:20

vibes, and Joe's

52:22

being cocky, goes, I could do a year on my head,

52:24

no problem, And Stabler walks over with the

52:26

bag and the doggy earring that's eighteen

52:29

carrots. Stabler says,

52:31

well, we found this earring where we

52:33

know you dumped Pam's head, and he goes, you

52:35

can't prove it's hers, and they go, yeah we can, and

52:38

he goes, yeah we can. It was specially

52:40

made for her to commemorate five years on the force.

52:43

This is sad. She was just like because

52:46

I wonder if she pissed him off,

52:48

Like I wonder if he just needed

52:51

to do it, Like I'm curious

52:53

why he chose her.

52:54

Like with Michael Pitt, there was motive with this.

52:56

It's like, what the fuck, it's just because you have a job

52:58

you're not proud of and you are a rapist.

53:01

But so the pervert

53:03

is stunned and says it doesn't mean

53:05

Jack and then Sailor goes, but there's

53:07

more, and he's loving every

53:09

moment of the slow reveal. Her

53:11

DNA is on the dog

53:14

earring and there's a three point match

53:16

to his thumb print. So

53:18

add twenty five more years and choke

53:20

on it and he is stunned.

53:22

And that is dick wolf baby crazy.

53:25

Michael Pitt is a red herring and all this and

53:28

yeah, so and one day

53:30

he will go down for murder, like Michael Pitt will

53:33

will murder a person.

53:34

They lost an opportunity to bring him back,

53:36

like season seven eight, bring him back

53:38

and be like we watch this kid for cause,

53:40

like it's bring him back.

53:42

Now, they can bring him back season twenty

53:44

seven, let's go.

53:46

Oh my god, the biggest shit bring

53:48

the biggest.

53:49

Arc jump in his story from season three

53:52

to season twenty six.

53:53

Yeah, for my Becket's agent is listening,

53:55

come on, bring him home.

53:59

Oh my god, that would have been That

54:01

would be so fucking cool. Yeah,

54:04

but yeah, he's definitely gonna murder. I'm

54:06

glad they got Joe. I'm really sad.

54:08

Pam Tilden is dead, like obviously acab

54:10

but not if you're the dog cop, like we like you a

54:13

little more.

54:13

Yeah, like you're trying to do.

54:15

You're trying to kind of prosecute crimes that like no one

54:17

even gets bad punishments for, like, yeah,

54:19

you're just stopping dog rings and stuff.

54:22

Jesus, all right, well, let's

54:24

get into the true crime, because

54:27

this is, uh, this is

54:29

this is a lot of details

54:31

from the real case. So

54:41

I first wanted to say that A

54:43

couple of sources said that this was also maybe based

54:45

on Black Dahlia, But I think if

54:47

you know anything about the Black Dahlia case, this is not

54:50

really similar very much.

54:52

I feel like it's a nude Black Dahlia movie

54:54

coming out.

54:55

Oh, I'm like obsessed with the black You

54:57

feel like I just watched a trailer.

54:59

But I don't. There is the

55:02

show I Am the Night or whatever.

55:03

It's based on a podcast called

55:07

it's called The Root of It's called Root of Evil

55:09

this podcast, and it's really fascinating.

55:11

I really loved listening to it about the Black Dahlias.

55:13

So treat yourself to an episode of that after

55:15

you're done here. But for now, I'm going to

55:17

tell you guys about the Jason Massy case.

55:20

Jason Massey was a Texan

55:23

who you know. I feel like I just keep

55:25

saying the same things over and over again. Grew

55:27

up abused and neglected by his parents.

55:30

Dad was an alcoholic, mom was a drug addict.

55:32

I truly we need you

55:34

know. This is a good reason why reproductive rights

55:36

are important, because not everybody's meant to be parents. And

55:40

he had a record, like we've said a million times,

55:42

it started in his teens, including stalking

55:45

and torturing animals. He would and

55:47

you know, obviously if you've made it this far,

55:49

trigger warning for animal

55:51

abuse, but he would decapitate and mutilate

55:53

dogs, cats, and cows and keep

55:56

their skulls as trophies, like

55:58

our friend Harry in this book, in this episode

56:01

once one time, you know how you were saying,

56:03

like Jesus, if that's your son's room, maybe you step

56:05

in. One time, this kid's mom did

56:08

have him committed after she found a journal,

56:10

and in the journal he's talking all about rape,

56:13

murder, Satan, his reverence

56:15

for Charles Manson, how he wanted to become a

56:17

serial killer. So she did have him committed

56:19

for a little while, but you know, he got out

56:21

and it didn't really do anything. He

56:24

loved Ted Bundy, Henry Lee Lucas.

56:26

He wanted he craved the attention

56:29

that famous serial killers would get, but

56:32

unfortunately the little stint in

56:34

the mental institution did not do

56:37

anything for him. He was twenty

56:39

years old and he had had a

56:42

flirtation with a thirteen year old girl

56:44

named Christina Benjamin, and he

56:46

told her to sneak out

56:48

of her house and then he'd pick her up. And this is

56:50

July twenty seventh of nineteen ninety three, okay,

56:53

and he had recently gotten out of prison for

56:55

animal cruelty.

56:56

He had done like a short stint for animal cruelty.

56:58

He picked up Chris and her fourteen

57:01

year old step brother, Brian King, and

57:03

he shot them both dead, and

57:06

then yes, and then

57:08

escalated quickly.

57:09

Yes, very much so, and then very

57:12

graphically.

57:13

After he killed Christina, he cut off

57:15

her head, her hands, her nipples,

57:18

and he mutilated her genitals and removed

57:21

her intestines.

57:23

I think that might be the only.

57:24

Link to Black Dollia, that the Black Dollia's intestines

57:26

were also removed, but there's really not. She was also

57:29

completely bisected, so it's a very different

57:31

crime.

57:32

He shot King.

57:34

Caught in half, cut fully

57:36

in half, like her body was found

57:39

in two pieces.

57:40

So yeah, yuck.

57:43

He shot the boy.

57:44

So he went on a date with this girl and then just

57:46

shot her and her brother.

57:49

Yeah, and then I mean.

57:51

He did the nipples very ed

57:53

gain, Yes, and he was

57:55

obsessed with all these guys. He was obsessed with the serial

57:57

killers. I think he thought, I'm gonna like

57:59

there's more info about what was going

58:01

on in his head. But he shot the brother

58:04

twice. And the two teens had been

58:06

missing now from their town, which

58:08

was called Garrett, thirty miles southeast

58:10

of Dallas. And then two days

58:12

after they've gone missed, two days after the murder,

58:15

their bodies were found in a field by a road

58:17

worker and the body parts

58:19

were missing, the head and the

58:21

hands and everything. They were all missing and

58:24

they've never been found. So

58:26

a lot like what happened in this episode. Yeah,

58:29

So they got Massy very quickly with

58:31

forensics. I mean, he thinks

58:33

he's this serial mastermind. He's

58:35

no, you know, Michael Pitt. Okay,

58:38

he gets arrested very quickly. In

58:40

October of nineteen eighty four, he's found guilty of capital

58:43

murder, which we touched

58:45

on briefly last episode. It's

58:47

basically first degree murder with special circumstances.

58:50

It's killing more than one person, killing

58:52

for financial gain, killing a police

58:54

officer, firefighter, prosecutor, judged or

58:56

or elected official, killing a witness

58:58

to prevent their testimony, or a drive

59:00

by shooting.

59:01

With intent to kill.

59:02

These are a few examples of the special

59:04

circumstances. And it's called capital because

59:06

it's only there's only two possible penalties

59:09

capital punishment, the death penalty or a

59:11

life in prison without the possibility of pearl.

59:13

I can't believe it's for money. Yeah,

59:17

like hitman, I guess would

59:19

be. Oh yeah.

59:22

An expert testified at the sentencing

59:24

that he was a long term threat to society and could

59:27

not be rehabilitated. One of his classmates

59:29

testified that he'd threatened her and then killed

59:31

and mutilated her dog, smearing the blood

59:33

on her car, just like what happens in the

59:35

episode. Another witness testified

59:38

that he was walking in the woods when he found

59:40

a cooler, and inside the cooler

59:42

were thirty one dog and cat's

59:44

skulls, just like in the episode.

59:46

There were also four of his journals

59:49

which he had labeled Slayer's Book

59:51

of Death, Volumes one through four, and

59:54

in it he talks about becoming a great serial

59:56

killer.

59:57

So I think that's.

59:57

Why he's doing all this cutting opening

1:00:00

up bodies, because he's like thinks the gory

1:00:02

or the better or something. But it was

1:00:04

like, honestly, you I think the problem

1:00:06

you didn't focus on enough was getting away with it,

1:00:09

you know, like disposing of the or like you

1:00:11

know, people probably knew that you were

1:00:13

going on a date with this girl, like I don't know, they found

1:00:15

him very fast. There's so little information

1:00:18

about this case online too, like articles

1:00:20

from Australia, Like it's so crazy, you

1:00:22

know, Australia randomly will be like here's

1:00:24

a lot about this American crime that happened anyway,

1:00:28

kind of like what happened with Cleoconrad.

1:00:30

With Paletti.

1:00:30

In the episode, the prosecutors are really

1:00:33

trying to use his journals in court,

1:00:35

and I think they ended up getting them admitted. They

1:00:37

heavily relied on them, but the defense

1:00:40

also tried to point out passages in the journals

1:00:42

where he talked about being sexually abused by a babysitter

1:00:44

when he was around five and his physical

1:00:47

abuse from his parents which started around age two,

1:00:49

So they tried to use that, but the defense also

1:00:52

put his sister on the stand to confirm

1:00:54

like the difficult childhood. But then

1:00:56

the prosecution just was like, wait, so are you a murderer?

1:00:59

Are you alive adding citizen, and she was like yes,

1:01:01

and so it kind of backfired on them,

1:01:04

and then the jury took fifteen minutes to

1:01:06

give him the death penalty and

1:01:09

he got guess what, he got to be on Texas's

1:01:11

death row with his hero, Henry

1:01:13

Lee Lucas, who was a huge serial

1:01:16

who's like one of the most I think we've talked about him

1:01:18

before, I can't remember, but he was known as the confession Killer.

1:01:21

He falsely confessed to approximately six hundred

1:01:23

murders, but he was convicted of three

1:01:26

murders in the that he committed

1:01:29

between like the sixties and nineteen eighty three.

1:01:31

So he got to be on

1:01:33

death row there in Texas with his with

1:01:36

his idol. He was executed

1:01:38

by lethal injection on April third of two thousand

1:01:40

and one, eight years after the.

1:01:41

Murders, which is so

1:01:44

crazy.

1:01:44

I mean, it's because it's Texas, I'm sure, but like

1:01:46

we hear all the time about these guys that have been on death row for

1:01:48

like thirty years, but they got this guy in eight years.

1:01:52

I don't think he probably appealed or had the money.

1:01:54

Our resources to like, yeah, feely, that's

1:01:57

probably true.

1:01:57

Yeah.

1:01:58

Before his execution, he addressed the victims

1:02:01

family, saying, I can't imagine what I've taken

1:02:03

from you.

1:02:04

I want you to know I did do it.

1:02:05

I'm sorry for what I've done, And then

1:02:08

while he was strapped to the gurney, he said,

1:02:10

I want you to know that Christina did not suffer as

1:02:12

much as you think she did. I mean, I think at least the saving

1:02:14

grace in this whole thing is that he just shot these people

1:02:17

quickly and they probably died very quickly and didn't

1:02:19

have to they weren't tortured while they

1:02:21

were alive. He said, I know you guys want

1:02:23

to know where the rest of her remains are. I put the remains

1:02:25

in the Trinity River, but the parts were never

1:02:27

recovered, like I said, And no one really believed

1:02:29

him because they're like, naw, dog, you keep trophies,

1:02:32

like we know you keep trophies.

1:02:33

They think that those body parts.

1:02:34

Are buried somewhere because he

1:02:36

would have wanted to like go revisit them at

1:02:39

some point. And sometimes,

1:02:41

I know, we think this is interesting. But his last

1:02:43

meal was three fried chicken quarters,

1:02:45

fried squash, fried eggplant, mashed potatoes,

1:02:48

snap peas, boiled cabbage, three

1:02:50

bits of corn on the cob with spinach, broccoli,

1:02:52

and butter, and one pint of ice cream

1:02:54

and a pitcher of sweet tea. So he had quite

1:02:56

a feast at the end. But it's

1:02:59

it's wild vegetables. I

1:03:01

feel like this guy was sabage. Yeah,

1:03:05

I know, I know, you're getting cabbage, boiled

1:03:07

cabbage. I know. Well, I mean

1:03:10

this guy though, there's so little about

1:03:13

him because I feel like what they basically stopped

1:03:15

a serial killer after his first two kills,

1:03:17

like he would have absolutely done more. And

1:03:20

it's like you said, the

1:03:22

animal abuse cannot be ignored. That's

1:03:24

not just like people kids being curious,

1:03:26

Like that's really really

1:03:29

not good. But maybe because he committed

1:03:32

these crimes in the nineties and forensics were

1:03:34

better, like I think a lot of the serial

1:03:36

killers we hear about her from like sixty seventies eighties,

1:03:38

where forensics weren't up, and so they were able to kill

1:03:41

for like years, you know, and have

1:03:43

dozens of victims before they got caught. With this guy,

1:03:46

this Jason Massey guy got caught quickly

1:03:49

and that's that's the basis

1:03:51

of Harry.

1:03:52

We need Harry to come back. Yeah,

1:03:54

we need Harry back on SVU. I

1:03:57

think that would be cool.

1:03:59

Yeah, to be like we knew this kid when he

1:04:01

was young, We knew he was going to do something, and

1:04:04

then they find out. Yeah, let's write it. Let's

1:04:06

write it spec but let's

1:04:08

get into our post mortem because no

1:04:11

guest today, just us.

1:04:16

We're so in the time machine.

1:04:18

But like Spotify raps, you

1:04:20

know, that was like fun to be in people's

1:04:22

stuff. Oh yes, yes, like

1:04:25

you guys listening and it

1:04:27

feels great and we're usually in good

1:04:30

company. I feel like the other

1:04:32

podcasts in the top listens with

1:04:34

our listeners are always like people I enjoy.

1:04:36

So that makes me feel good too, Like

1:04:38

you're all listening to a lass cultureisas

1:04:41

Yes.

1:04:42

For sure, Thank you guys so much for listening

1:04:44

so much and get it and then posting your raps.

1:04:46

I love that.

1:04:47

I like love seeing all the little the

1:04:49

raps and what everybody else is listening to. And

1:04:52

it's so funny too. Sometimes there are people that listened

1:04:54

to like all podcasts in Portuguese and then like

1:04:56

our podcast you know, or

1:04:59

like they only listen podcast about like business

1:05:01

or like law school and then us, you know which

1:05:03

I like to I like to see what people are.

1:05:05

We're the we're the weird one kind of or

1:05:08

we're the funny one.

1:05:09

But yeah, that was a good one.

1:05:11

I make say abby, But I guess Spotify like fired

1:05:13

everyone and it's not like I

1:05:16

guess it's AI.

1:05:17

It's all a that's what I just

1:05:19

heard too. I was like, someone's like, oh, yeah,

1:05:21

that's why. That's why the Spotify wrapped was AI

1:05:23

this year, and I go, I was wondering

1:05:26

why it was a little bit more.

1:05:28

What wasn't because I'm not on Spotify, so

1:05:30

I was curious, like what's better, what's worse?

1:05:32

It just wasn't as easy to use as last

1:05:35

year. Like last year there were these like cool

1:05:37

things that were like this is how many hours? I mean

1:05:39

like that's still there, but it wasn't

1:05:41

like as easily shareable the little pieces

1:05:43

of it and like there was more info.

1:05:46

I don't know, it's just not as good and it's not it's not as

1:05:48

good looking either, like it's been better looking.

1:05:51

And I think they just had an AI do it because they got rid of

1:05:53

everybody and so they can pay Joe Rogan.

1:05:55

I'm like nervous, how shitty everything

1:05:57

is going to be, Like why do you want all your art?

1:05:59

Like anyone into AI. It's like so

1:06:01

strange and obviously weird. There's

1:06:04

like places where AI is gonna make the world

1:06:06

better, like I do want. I'm not, you know, just because

1:06:08

I it's not for what I want, but

1:06:11

like it just I

1:06:13

don't know what's the point of being alive if

1:06:16

there's not art, Like I don't get it.

1:06:18

I know, like and people keep posting

1:06:20

stuff that like they're googling and they're getting these like

1:06:22

really creepy results of like little

1:06:25

weird like extra hands and things in the background.

1:06:27

I was I accidentally posted it to That's messed

1:06:30

up, so it was up there for like twenty minutes because I thought I

1:06:32

was posting it to my own account. But it was like in

1:06:34

my Explore page was just this video or when

1:06:36

I was scrolling just this video of

1:06:38

John Goodman dancing in

1:06:40

the rain to JoJo's too

1:06:42

little, too late and doing like all

1:06:45

these like hair movements, like where he's like grabbing his hair

1:06:47

and he's in the rain, but it's not John

1:06:49

Goodman. It's like a really creepy AI and

1:06:51

every time he turns around, the body looks really weird.

1:06:54

It's like Uncanny Valley and creepy. But

1:06:56

it's like, at first it was funny because

1:06:58

I was like, oh, this is like it's John Goodman looking

1:07:00

like a pop star. But then it was really creepy, so

1:07:02

I don't know, I can see why it hooks people

1:07:04

in, and then.

1:07:05

It's like, oh, I don't like this anymore. I don't

1:07:07

know. I don't think it's going anywhere good.

1:07:10

But I do think it's good if AI helps us like

1:07:12

detect cancer faster or whatever they're

1:07:14

saying it's going to do.

1:07:16

Just not in art, like not in media,

1:07:19

you know.

1:07:19

No, or like for people to be fire

1:07:22

like they the business people, they

1:07:24

just don't care about They don't think

1:07:26

about the things

1:07:28

that truly make life worth living

1:07:30

and looking at I don't know.

1:07:32

No, because they're all tech companies now and they only

1:07:34

care about their quarterly reports.

1:07:35

Like that's just the that's just the

1:07:38

fact. Baby.

1:07:40

Yeah yeah,

1:07:43

but yeah, this episode Prodigy,

1:07:46

I mean, I.

1:07:47

Mean my one of my bak so

1:07:49

good.

1:07:50

We're like in a stretch of like doing such

1:07:52

fun episodes. I mean they're all good, but like

1:07:55

there's something about those classic ones

1:07:58

that are suspensable layered

1:08:00

and the red hairring and this red

1:08:03

haring lasted throughout the whole episode. I felt

1:08:05

like, you know, yes, but

1:08:08

like till the hand.

1:08:09

You didn't really know. And he's gonna commit

1:08:11

a crime and he's definitely gonna

1:08:13

come at a crime and hopefully

1:08:16

it will be like the real life crime

1:08:18

where they got him after the first one.

1:08:20

He might kill his mother.

1:08:21

He might kill his mother, seriously,

1:08:25

like that's very possible,

1:08:27

very possible. Like they're living in that little

1:08:29

house on top of each other. I

1:08:32

don't I don't think she's along for this world, the mom,

1:08:35

and she's even like she was she's even

1:08:37

creeped out by her son. After he was saying all that stuff.

1:08:39

She had to get out of the interior gation room. She's like,

1:08:41

get me away from this kid. So I don't know, I don't

1:08:44

know what the relationship looks like going forward, but that

1:08:46

kid is creepy and like, I don't know

1:08:48

what happened. It's like, well, you fuck you

1:08:50

fucked on the couch near him, Yeah,

1:08:53

yeah, yeah, yeah. You should have invested

1:08:55

in a door, just a door. You could have found a

1:08:57

door. That would have been great. The beaded

1:08:59

curtain has a lot, it has a lot

1:09:01

of blame here. But yeah, this the

1:09:04

real crime. Oh so awful.

1:09:06

But like I'm so glad they caught this, like wanna

1:09:08

be serial killer, but like after his first

1:09:11

one, you know, wait.

1:09:13

For some reason. You know.

1:09:14

I just got back from Cincinnati. So I

1:09:16

don't think I told you what happened on my flight,

1:09:19

but I feel

1:09:21

maybe it's because I've been talking about it so much and we've

1:09:23

been doing these and recording, and I thought I mentioned

1:09:25

it, but I told you I got to go in

1:09:27

the cockpit and stuff or not at all. Okay,

1:09:30

this is what. So I'm on

1:09:32

the plane a Cincinnati. It's a small plane

1:09:35

and usually when a flight slayed, we were

1:09:37

waiting for crews. So there was like two

1:09:39

pilots who had to get on our flight to go somewhere.

1:09:42

So they're like, we're delayed a half hour,

1:09:45

and usually they tell you not to move, but this pilot

1:09:47

was like, and if you want to

1:09:50

come check out the cockpit and take some photos or

1:09:52

anything, come on down.

1:09:53

I obviously I'm the first in line. No one is

1:09:55

moving.

1:09:55

I'm like, run to

1:09:58

the front and I

1:10:00

to sit. I got to press the button

1:10:02

to make like an announcement noise. They

1:10:04

kept telling me which buttons I could press. I asked all these

1:10:06

questions. I sat next to the co pilot,

1:10:10

but it was like, you know, I've been trying

1:10:12

to dress better at the airport and for this

1:10:14

flight, I go, ah, whatever, I don't care. And then I was like,

1:10:16

I can't believe it, Like this is where I could have had

1:10:18

cool photos, but I look, I'm

1:10:20

wearing my giant Incubus shirt.

1:10:22

But yeah, I got photos.

1:10:24

I got wings given to me, and a trading

1:10:26

card and I a Grammic

1:10:29

trading card that every plane is supposed

1:10:31

to have. So now when I'm on different planes,

1:10:33

I'm going to ask for trading cards from the pilots

1:10:36

and see how many I can collect. But

1:10:39

then I turned around and the person behind me

1:10:41

in line was maybe two years old, so

1:10:43

it was like me, then

1:10:46

a child with a mother, and then three like.

1:10:48

College daye people. It felt like that were

1:10:50

sitting in the back.

1:10:51

But look, I got to sit in the cockpit

1:10:53

and it was really exciting.

1:10:56

That's so awesome.

1:10:58

I not as exciting, but I did

1:11:00

take Rosie to a firehouse over last

1:11:02

weekend. Because it was a activity

1:11:04

for CUB Scouts and so we like

1:11:07

these guys gave us like a whole presentation, like a guy

1:11:09

got his gear on as quick as possible, like

1:11:11

to show how fast he can get all this shit on, like

1:11:13

oxygen tank everything. They were

1:11:15

telling us that, like the fire

1:11:17

truck always goes out with the ambulance,

1:11:19

even if it's just cardiac arrest, because it carries

1:11:22

more guys with them because it might require a lot

1:11:24

of guys and they can't like all fit in

1:11:26

the ambulance. So that's why

1:11:28

like you'll see a fire truck because they said nationwide.

1:11:31

I asked this question. I was

1:11:33

like, how often are you guys like you know? I said,

1:11:36

you guys did actually take U help

1:11:38

me when my son was locked in the car as a newborn.

1:11:41

The fire department did come within minutes, and it was amazing,

1:11:43

like how many calls are non fire

1:11:45

related? And he was like like ninety percent, Like

1:11:48

the fire Department's going to like ninety percent of

1:11:50

calls that are Like they got a call

1:11:52

while we were there, and when they came back, we were like what happened?

1:11:54

They were like, well, that was one of those calls where

1:11:56

it shouldn't have been a call. It shouldn't have been like it

1:11:58

was somebody that had leg pains, like and they shouldn't

1:12:01

have sent like a full you know, like

1:12:03

they just needed to go to like an urgent care a doctor

1:12:05

or something like that. And but they

1:12:07

were telling us that they

1:12:09

got rid of like a lot of new firehouses don't

1:12:11

have poles anymore because firefighters

1:12:14

kept hurting themselves, like they kept getting

1:12:16

injured, like yeah, broke like ankle,

1:12:18

twisted ankles and stuff like that.

1:12:20

So around down the stairs.

1:12:22

What do they do now?

1:12:23

So yeah, I guess now they lived on they run on the stairs

1:12:25

or like it's not yeah, but they were like

1:12:28

a lot of them. They're like like our main firehouse

1:12:30

still has a pole, but they're phasing them out of a lot of

1:12:32

them because of like coating and stuff and like because of

1:12:34

injuries.

1:12:36

But it was cute.

1:12:37

There was like a whole lazy boy area where

1:12:39

there was all these lazy boys and all the kids

1:12:41

were like sitting in the la school

1:12:43

or a commune comp scouting okay,

1:12:45

cub Scouts, Yeah, it was it's Rosi's Cub

1:12:47

Scout troop. Because one of the kids in her

1:12:49

Cub Scout troop. The cousin is

1:12:52

on the is on the four So like he gave

1:12:54

us like a personal like tour of you see

1:12:56

you see all their rooms where they sleep. I was like saying

1:12:58

to my friend, I go to you watch Sex and the City, Like, do you

1:13:01

remember when Samantha hooked up with the firefighter? Like

1:13:03

this is It was reminding me so much

1:13:05

of that. But yeah, I was so I got

1:13:07

to talk about fire trucks, so you got to talk about planes.

1:13:09

We had a real time with planes and trains.

1:13:12

Yeah, and we were, you know, four

1:13:14

year old boys.

1:13:15

We yeah, would be out of this world

1:13:18

having the best time of our lives. But

1:13:21

let's move on to what would Sister Peg

1:13:23

do for this episode this

1:13:27

week?

1:13:27

You know what what was Sister Peg do is where we just like

1:13:29

to give you.

1:13:29

Resources that like touch

1:13:32

on the issues that we talked about in today's episode.

1:13:34

And I feel like the poor

1:13:37

victim in the episode, Prodigy would like

1:13:39

us to shout out the American Society for the

1:13:41

Prevention of Cruelty to Animals, which is the ASPCA.

1:13:44

This organization has led the way in fighting

1:13:47

cruelty, rescuing, and securing adoptions

1:13:49

for animals in need and driving significant legislative

1:13:52

change that protects their lives and

1:13:54

welfare, ultimately transforming how Americans

1:13:56

value and care for animals, because I know we were both shocked

1:13:59

that this episode is that there's barely any

1:14:02

punishment for abusing animals, so I'm

1:14:04

sure this organization is working on legislation

1:14:07

to reverse that or to make that better.

1:14:09

If you'd like to report animal abuse or donate

1:14:11

to the foundation, visit ASPCA dot

1:14:14

org and that will be posted in

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Forever in our WWSPD highlights.

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Amazing, And next week we will be

1:14:24

doing Lust from season four,

1:14:26

episode four, So

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