0:00

Of the law and order franchises. SVU

0:03

is considered especially watchable.

0:04

We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate

0:07

the vicious felonies. These episodes are based

0:09

on.

0:09

These are our stories, done done.

0:28

Yay, that's messed up. A SVU

0:30

podcast.

0:31

My name is Lisa, my name is Kara,

0:34

and we every week on

0:36

this podcast go through an episode

0:38

of SVU the true crime it's based on.

0:40

Sometimes we have a guest.

0:41

Un there's

0:44

no guests. Yeah, democracy is falling? Can

0:46

you just leap back off? Well, we

0:50

have some good ones coming up. We haven't completely

0:52

abandoned guests, but just everybody relaxed,

0:55

hear.

0:56

Yeah, we're both recovering.

0:57

Literally, if you guys were listening to last week,

1:00

I unknowingly had COVID.

1:01

I was watching.

1:02

I was feeling bad the last episode

1:04

that we recorded and was like oh, and

1:06

then went in the house right after we recorded, took a test

1:09

and was like bye forever.

1:10

And I was in bed for a few days and

1:12

then I just got.

1:13

Better and I was been fine the last few days and now I feel

1:15

like shit again. And Liza's been sick the last few days.

1:17

Everyone I know is sick. It's like fucking

1:21

I don't know what's happening. I woke up Friday

1:23

and wasn't feeling well, but I kept pushing

1:25

through because it's also like, well,

1:27

you're party and you're smoking weed.

1:29

You're saying this, there's a radiator, the air is

1:31

dry, this and that. So I make

1:33

excuses, I make excuses. I'm pushing

1:35

I'm pushing through. I had dinner reservations.

1:38

I wanted to do them.

1:39

I'm at dinner and my friend looks at me

1:41

and goes, you've been degrading this whole night, and you need to

1:43

leave. She

1:46

goes, you are getting worse and worse. Your

1:48

attitude is a nightmare. You are so snappy,

1:51

and you need to go home. And I had to cancel eight shows

1:53

over the weekend. Oh my god, I

1:56

could have bought a Tiffany's you know necklace.

1:58

Yeah, funny, Oh

2:00

my god, Bush, But say

2:03

even about that, I just like, I'm off this high

2:05

of my special coming out. I'm like

2:07

doing all these pods.

2:08

I like, like I'm feeling good.

2:10

The external validation is popping

2:12

on the internet. Yeah, to then

2:15

be like, you need to leave dinner immediately,

2:18

Jesus. That just reminds me of the time you

2:20

came and did my show when it was at Barlu Bitch,

2:22

and you were just curled up in the corner and

2:24

you're like, no, I'm ready to go whenever.

2:26

And I was like, you need to get the fuck out of here.

2:29

You're dying. Well

2:31

posto, that was a pre previ that was

2:33

pre COVID. Yeah, you don't. You can't push

2:35

through.

2:35

But I flicked someone off in the line in the bathroom

2:37

at this restaurant.

2:39

I told Amanda fuck off, like I had,

2:41

I had to go.

2:42

And then it was it was sad,

2:45

but I still puffed the weed. It's I'll

2:47

have this call for a while. But a bunch of people

2:49

from my party got sick. Fucking Molly has bronchitis.

2:52

There's influenza A. I mean, people

2:54

are sick.

2:55

That's what I had. And then I got my period.

2:56

Oh my god, imagine leading

2:59

in calling at the same time. No kill

3:01

me. That's terrible, that's funny, terrible,

3:04

just coming out from everywhere. Listen, I

3:07

just had the flu a month ago. I had the flu

3:09

and then COVID and now I have some kind of weird cold,

3:11

like I'm sick of as shit. But anyway, but it's

3:13

a good lesson, and you know me, like I I'm

3:15

never actually disappointed because life is good. But I

3:18

build everything up in my head. My expectations

3:20

are always sky high, so like, well, my

3:22

special will come out and Hollywood will

3:24

grab me. And then I was like,

3:27

oh, I'm still in my Tailor Swift sweatshirt,

3:30

like I still

3:32

don't want to wash my hair. I am the same person

3:35

and nothing is truly changed,

3:37

which is fine because life is I mean, outside

3:40

of the disasters.

3:41

But it is just so funny how I

3:43

can never change.

3:45

My like yeah, oh

3:47

my god. And I'm like, oh, I guess

3:50

it's like the same, but

3:54

with more comments, you know what I mean. It's like just

3:56

more comments. But life is pretty chill.

3:59

Of course.

3:59

My father ask for physical copies of the

4:01

special. I

4:04

go, and where are you gonna watch him? Where

4:07

are you gonna watch that on? Now? Did he mean DVD?

4:10

Did he mean a VHS? What was

4:12

he referring to?

4:15

They're gonna send They're gonna send him

4:18

a DVD and a drive.

4:20

Oh cool.

4:21

But I also told him I go, I

4:23

go, dad, you know, because

4:25

for analytics, whatever they send you. But I'm like,

4:28

you know, watch it as many times as you can. I'm

4:30

you're obsessed with me? What else you have to do?

4:32

Put it on?

4:32

Like I'm telling my parents, not all of you live your

4:35

lives, you know, don't ignore your

4:37

children. But I

4:40

and then my dad goes, yeah, but they're

4:42

gonna tell us from the same house, so I'm

4:44

sure you know. They say that's not gonna count. Who

4:47

said that to you?

4:49

That's how like the Nielsen ratings maybe

4:51

work. I don't think that's how fucking streams

4:53

were. No, they want you to watch it a lot of

4:55

time. That's the whole point. Like can they trap

4:57

you? The tech wants to trap you? But I'm like, dad,

4:59

who are you?

5:00

Who told you?

5:01

Who?

5:01

How are you the expert on the thing that you don't

5:03

even know how to work? Right now?

5:05

Like it?

5:05

They also didn't call me. I'm

5:08

waiting.

5:08

I call my dad the next day because I knew

5:10

they stayed up to watch it. I go, hey,

5:14

did you guys see any good? And my

5:17

dad goes, oh, we say it's early. I have

5:19

to go feed the street cat and then hangs

5:22

up on me. I

5:24

don't hear from them again. The next

5:27

day, I wake up, I don't hear from them. I call

5:29

them in the afternoon. My mom goes, I'm sorry,

5:31

I had a pedicure. I go a

5:34

forty eight hour pedicure. What the fuck are you

5:36

going?

5:38

I don't know what the like.

5:40

You? Why am I making

5:43

just like And then my sister's being

5:46

like, well, what you know, very

5:48

like mushrooms therapy of like,

5:50

well, why do you even really need to talk to mom

5:53

that bad?

5:53

And I'm like, for for compliments,

5:56

validation my parents.

5:59

She's trying to make me feel like shit that I want

6:01

attention from my parents at the biggest week

6:03

of my life.

6:04

No, that's so.

6:05

Then I screamed at them and they're like, sorry,

6:08

we thought you'd be busy.

6:09

I'm like, no, I did too. I did. Oh

6:18

my god, that is so funny.

6:22

No, but it has been.

6:23

Yeah, it's been. It's

6:26

been nice. I mean hearing nice things. Usually

6:29

the internet's not nice. It's so knock

6:32

on wood. It can turn at any moment, but so

6:34

far, everyone's just been so kind. And I feel

6:37

like, you know, you put something out to relate

6:39

to people, and then when people relate to it or into.

6:41

It, it feels good.

6:42

Yeah.

6:42

Yeah.

6:43

My sister's like, why do you need external

6:45

validation? I'm like, bitch,

6:47

I'm like dancing on a stage. What are you talking

6:50

about? Look at my entire career,

6:54

like this is what we do. Oh

6:57

but my friend Alex from London was in town.

6:59

I couldn't see her because I was sick in bed for me, No,

7:02

so I saw her for Oh and at my party

7:04

I made so many blacked out, drunk plans

7:07

that I had dinner plans with her. And I get a text

7:10

going, hey, I got the tickets for Death Becomes Her.

7:12

Where should we meet?

7:13

Oh?

7:13

No, yeah, I was blacked out. I go, yeah, I'll

7:15

be there in a few hours. Oh so you wait,

7:18

tell me about it because I think I want to go at the.

7:20

End of the month.

7:21

Dude, it is awesome as

7:23

a lover of the movie, like any

7:25

of the things they had to switch for the stage,

7:28

fine, Like it's awesome. It's so fun

7:31

and I've never seen a musical that has

7:33

to do special effects, you know, with

7:36

like the neck and the fight and the stairs, so like the

7:38

way they do the effects is cool, and

7:40

the set.

7:41

Makes everything look so grand.

7:43

The singing is good, the costumes, the acting,

7:45

and it's funny and it's sexy. Okay,

7:48

I'm gonna get tickets. I'm gonna get tickets.

7:50

I want to go.

7:51

I have like one thing that wasn't my fay one

7:54

out of the out of two full acts,

7:56

there's like one little thing that I'm

7:58

like, I don't know, but but I I'm not gonna

8:00

say. And the best merch ever. I

8:03

bought two pin sets, a magnet and a compact.

8:05

Like I loved it. The pin set

8:07

is like the sem Forraviva Live Forever. Yeah,

8:11

like the gold little s Yeah.

8:14

Oh I love that.

8:15

Yeah, and the potion and it says death

8:17

becomes they're all in one, like it's three

8:19

pins.

8:20

Oh, I love that. That's like really cool.

8:23

That's so great. Yeah, it

8:25

really was. Uh oh the Radiator,

8:28

so you.

8:29

Know the people from La that like that

8:31

came so that afterwards I'm like, oh, come to my apartment.

8:34

Let's like smoke some weed and hang out. And

8:36

we're sitting and after a while I go, oh, that's my

8:38

radiator. Sorry, and they go, yeah,

8:40

no, it's been concerning, but you were acting like nothing

8:43

was happening.

8:43

So we just went along

8:45

with it. No one's climbing in here. It

8:51

is loud. I think we should leave it just for this special

8:54

episode.

8:57

The sword Fights everybody if you've been familiar,

9:00

uh yeah, this is just New York heating. And

9:02

then I had Shang Wang texted yes stream being

9:04

like hey, I'm in town to

9:06

do gigs. Like you want to hang, I'm like, come on

9:09

over, and he was like this is insane.

9:11

How do you live with this?

9:12

I'm like, I'm like, unless it's the morning,

9:14

I don't really notice that as much anymore.

9:17

Wait, I love that you and Shanghong out like

9:19

just haging, that's so fun. Oh

9:22

yeah, well you know what's funny about him?

9:24

So we had a daytime hang where he just came over. Actually

9:27

the housewives were on, and

9:30

like they were on, I put them on.

9:31

I don't have.

9:35

And it was Berkshire's like

9:37

Derinda but like the you're a whore,

9:39

you fuck everyone's I made it nice and

9:42

he goes, so's this kind of

9:44

like a show about like, you know, clinical

9:46

diagnoses.

9:48

Are they all just And I got that's what they

9:50

look at it.

9:51

And then I was giving them the history of like women and

9:53

family and how it were blah blah blah, and I kept going and

9:55

then we were watching and after an hour and a half he was

9:57

like, this is really making me feel

9:59

bad and we put this. He

10:02

goes, this is stressful, but it's funny.

10:04

You're right.

10:04

We had like a chill thing. And then I met up with him late

10:06

at night at the cellar post drink. Like I

10:09

saw daytime and nighttime of a person, and it

10:11

was really funny and they were very different.

10:14

But I watched David Tell last night. It

10:17

was like watching Michael Jordan, where you know it's going

10:19

to be good.

10:20

And we had smoked a ton of blunts and like we were

10:22

ready for it, but I had not left. I

10:25

I can't believe it, and

10:27

so good to be you know, we have He

10:29

goes, Oh god, the congestion prices.

10:31

He goes, I love it. I love it for my business.

10:34

I mean it's been amazing, you know, sex

10:37

trafficking. It's really zipping

10:40

and zipping through those bridges. And I'm like, you're

10:42

so funny. You're so

10:45

funny.

10:47

Oh he's a legend. Yeah

10:50

wait, I just keep babbling.

10:51

But thank you everyone that was watching and sending

10:54

posts and like tagging me. It feels

10:57

really nice, So I appreciate

10:59

that.

11:00

Sure, I loved it.

11:02

I mean it is me trying to rip off David

11:04

Tel's roadwork. In a more fashion.

11:06

So we

11:09

need a female Dava Tel that's fat. He's

11:11

like, I haven't. He's like, I haven't watched it yet.

11:13

It's I must say. And in my head I'm like, yeah, I hope

11:15

you don't. You're gonna be like this bitch is trying to

11:17

rip me off? No,

11:22

I mean, how many women are doing just Sarah

11:24

Silverman, how many?

11:25

Like there's so many.

11:26

People ripping everybody off. You can

11:28

take a davat tell another one.

11:30

So homophobic.

11:31

But like someone wrote to Jared Goldstein on his podcast

11:33

being like, this is just Caleb Harron's podcast,

11:35

like you know, stop it, blah blah blah,

11:38

and it's like and then Jared Goldstein

11:40

wrote, Oh, I'm actually copying Stavros'

11:43

podcast where it's like.

11:46

Shut up.

11:47

Like podcasts are like two

11:49

people talking on a thing is just like what

11:51

we're all doing. I don't know.

11:53

I don't know what to tell you. I mean ours is more

11:55

intense than.

11:56

Yeah, but that's a wild that's a like any

11:58

gay man talking to friends is Caleb

12:00

now.

12:01

But yeah, death becomes from is great. I definitely

12:03

have to uh okay

12:06

around you gotta go see it. It's

12:08

and we love the movie, so it's like you're

12:11

gonna love it.

12:11

Yeah. So

12:14

we talked about Amelia Perez last week and

12:17

a listener did give us a little

12:19

bit of context about why people hate on it so much,

12:22

because like the director is not Mexican, but he made

12:24

like a Mexican movie where he's like seeing a

12:26

lot, making a lot of you know whatever. And

12:28

I totally like that is context I did not have

12:31

before I watched it. But I hate to say something. Everybody

12:33

I did enjoy Amelia Perez. Oh my god,

12:35

I might be one of the only Jared and I watched it. We

12:37

were like, this is kind of good. Like, I mean, listen,

12:40

it's not a good musical. Like the musical.

12:42

I'm not gonna be singing the songs. And that clip

12:45

that's going around the internet of penis

12:47

to vagina, of vagina to penis or whatever

12:49

is awful.

12:50

That is the most awful clip and that is the only clip

12:52

that's going around. So that is bad.

12:54

But how do you be defying gravity?

12:57

How does the nurst part of the movie you

12:59

know be you know, to me, it's apples and

13:01

oranges. Like they're not trying to be define

13:03

gravity at all. No, they won the Golden Globe for song.

13:06

This is what I'm saying out. Oh that's crazy,

13:08

That's what I'm saying. It beating Wicked

13:11

for the song. That's crazy.

13:14

What that's all I'm mad about.

13:16

I don't care.

13:18

Oh, I just thought everybody, like everybody's

13:20

like, why is it getting all these nominations for everything? And I'm like, well,

13:22

it's not trying to be Wicked. The music's not good. And then

13:24

you're telling me they won the Golden Globe.

13:25

Yeah, what the fuck?

13:27

That's crazy, defying gravity, loss

13:30

to penis to Vagina Like that, that's not what I'm

13:32

saying. The

13:36

acting is really good, and I actually

13:38

like was I was intrigued by the story. I do realize

13:41

that it's problematic in a lot of ways. And also the

13:43

star of the show, the star of the movie

13:45

literally has had some really bad tweets resurface.

13:48

So I'm not trying, but I'm just trying to say, I don't know what's

13:50

wrong with my brain. Like Katya would not stop talking

13:52

about how much she hated and she could even get through it, and

13:54

I was like, this is like a movie I've never seen

13:57

before.

13:57

Like it was truly like say what you will

13:59

about it.

14:00

You've never seen anything really like it, and I thought

14:02

it was wild and I kind of was into it. Maybe

14:04

I was, I don't know. Everybody

14:06

was like, you know what you have, Caarra, You have COVID to blame that

14:08

for. You can always say I had COVID when I watched I

14:11

loved it.

14:12

Yes, so there's

14:14

that.

14:17

But wait, speaking of award shows, let's

14:20

talk about the Grammys for a second.

14:22

What were your big takeaways.

14:23

I feel that we need to do a

14:25

fucking extraction mission on Kanye's

14:27

wife, Like I'm I feel sad for this woman, Like

14:30

I can't.

14:31

I talked about that's on another pod, but I'm like, I

14:33

just we just have to.

14:35

Have hope that it's a performance piece since

14:37

she's ivyly educated.

14:38

I mean, I don't know.

14:39

I mean, I just wish she would do one interview.

14:41

Can you do one interview where you say that everything's

14:43

okay? And then like, I know, but my thing

14:46

is like, if you're using this guy for like I, he's

14:48

just we know he's an abusive man.

14:50

So it's like, yeah, I don't know

14:52

why we're but I don't. I don't know.

14:54

It's I honest, But the thing that's crazy,

14:56

is I I did think the stalking

14:59

looked good, like it was the best sheer stocking

15:01

that's ever existed. And I talked to someone

15:03

else that was like on a hangar it looked really cool

15:05

too, and it's like, it is cool,

15:08

it's just not the play.

15:10

I don't know, we need the lip

15:12

reading girl.

15:13

To because they had conversation it

15:15

seemed like her going like I don't want to do this and him

15:17

being like, you have to do it. But then someone's like, maybe she

15:19

has a humiliation kink, like maybe this is what she

15:22

seems to like. We don't really know,

15:24

but with everything we know about him and

15:27

what's come to light about so many other musicians

15:29

in this industry, I just don't.

15:31

Know how we like sit back and chill out.

15:33

But like that's I guess, just.

15:35

Life right now, Like these horrible

15:38

things are happening and your

15:40

we're like sitting and I

15:42

mean it's the Long five.

15:43

It's yeah. Oh but

15:46

I did see don't look up. I've never seen it.

15:48

Oh. I like that.

15:49

It's the best movie ever and it makes me understand

15:53

what's happening now. I'm like, how did Adam McKay

15:55

in twenty twenty one predict

15:58

right now, like it is happening right now. He's

16:00

the richest guy is going and doing what he wants

16:03

and that happened in this movie, and like why don't

16:05

we take those movies more seriously?

16:07

Yeah, yeah, I don't know, Like

16:09

I loved I liked that movie a lot when I saw it, and

16:11

like, yeah, it's like everyone says idiocracy

16:14

is happening, Like we're chiocracy was

16:16

just dumb, not as hateful, Like it was

16:18

dumb. Yeah, but they were just like inbred

16:21

and masturbating, not trying to take

16:23

like they were too dumb for school.

16:25

Not we want to take away school so we

16:28

have child labor and like no more.

16:29

Osha, you know, Like that's what's

16:32

It's like, it's just going

16:35

back to nineteen fourteen, and you

16:37

know, I'm not really built for that.

16:39

Yeah, none of us are.

16:41

I'm nervous about these teens that Elon

16:43

Musk has running around. These guys that are doing all

16:45

this shit are nineteen and twenty. How are they getting

16:47

into these buildings? How are they getting passwords

16:49

to the computers? Like I don't understand any of the logistics.

16:52

We know that you guys all are like all

16:54

of all of the people that listen to this podcast

16:57

are have amazing careers, and so I'm sure some of you

16:59

work in the We're gonna can tell us how a bunch of teens

17:01

are allowed to just go in and like show a picture

17:03

of Elon Musk in a tesla and walk

17:05

in and get classified information. Also,

17:08

instead of ranting into the ether, if

17:11

you are someone that is working in an

17:13

industry that is being impacted right now, right

17:15

like if you are an immigration

17:18

law if you are at a school

17:20

that's about to lose your fun, it's like, if

17:23

you are just being impacted right now

17:25

in a big way, reach out to us

17:28

so then we can like do something.

17:30

Yeah, you know, it's about the community. It's

17:32

about small actions, about doing what we can. You guys

17:35

have always been amazing with the Amazon wishless

17:37

for teachers or anytime we post about organization

17:40

or you know what would sister peg Do's

17:43

so like, I mean not

17:45

to bring it back to soul cycle, but my teacher,

17:47

one of the teachers, was like, you know, feel grateful

17:49

that you feel safe in this space, and think

17:52

about all the people that do not have a space like this to

17:54

feel safe.

17:56

And so it's like thinking about that and like

17:58

any direct impact that we can help. If

18:01

your boots on the ground being impacted

18:03

right now, let us know, because we all

18:06

will be. I mean, there's a New York doctor

18:08

being fucking sued for giving an abortion

18:10

pill to someone in Louisiana. And why you canceled

18:13

the appointments of two kids getting a gender It's back

18:16

here, I know, I know it's back.

18:17

It's back. They they said they the

18:20

Attorney General for New York said fuck that.

18:22

But yeah, like there are I'm just like

18:24

praying that the checks and balances we have in place

18:26

are going to be enough to hold us up there. I don't

18:28

think they are next four years. But we can't

18:31

all we can't go down with Grammy's.

18:33

Grammy. It's Grammy, It's Grammy, It's Grammy's.

18:37

I didn't watch it all the way through.

18:38

I've just been watching the performances online

18:40

and like the outfits, you know, just keeping up how I can.

18:43

I don't know why it's not on my Paramount Plus or Hulu

18:46

or anything yet, like give it to me, but

18:49

I loved it.

18:50

It's for the girls. Men should not be invited

18:52

to award shows.

18:54

They should not be included at all, Like

18:56

the girlies are everything

18:59

and we yeah proved it. This is I

19:02

loved ev I

19:05

liked I liked that it

19:07

felt like they all were happy to see each other

19:09

and chatting, like yeah, I feel stuffy.

19:11

It wasn't stuffy. It was exciting. People were

19:13

fans of the music this year and

19:16

that was really exciting. And there's so much

19:18

good music.

19:18

I mean, like we talked about this on Hysteria

19:21

or something about how like may

19:23

like in sort of bad political

19:26

climates, there's always like a lot of good art. And like

19:28

the music right now is just like awesome, Like

19:30

there's so much good music that's like one silver

19:33

lining. It's like there's just I mean, I

19:35

can't believe how much Kendrick won for a dis

19:38

track. That is fucking awesome. I

19:40

mean, and this is huge for haters.

19:43

Yeah, huge for haters.

19:44

I am sad for Billy. I'm not even sad

19:46

for Taylor.

19:47

I think Taylor knew she was gonna go home empty handed,

19:50

but Billy I wish she had one. But

19:52

like I was talking to someone, there's to take

19:54

because I was like, maybe Sabrina could have only

19:56

won one, but she could that's her songs were fucking

19:59

hit.

20:00

Yeah, Billy, but Billy's

20:02

album was really good and that sucks. But I

20:04

don't know. She's like twenty. She gonna give us so much

20:06

more.

20:07

We're gonna be watching her win Grammys till we're dead, No

20:09

for sure, And she has so many oscars. But

20:11

like, Taylor looked so sexy. I

20:13

loved her getting drunk in fun like I love

20:16

her vibe. But if I was one of the cooler

20:18

girls, I would fuck.

20:19

I know people are annoyed with her, Like I know people

20:22

are like, oh great, she won't sit

20:24

the fuck down like I wanna be. I

20:26

want to hear Miley talk shit about Taylor, Like

20:28

that's what I want.

20:30

Your dream.

20:30

Your dream is like you Miley a joint

20:32

and some shit talk. Yeah, but

20:36

I doci. I mean love

20:39

How cool is it to win an award

20:42

and then be able to perform with

20:44

no stress, nothing to prove bitch

20:47

I won, Like I just feel that energy.

20:49

But the choreo, like, I

20:52

mean, if she'd I that's

20:55

that is creative every

20:58

genie.

20:58

I mean she level.

21:02

Like I was watching some video I saw

21:04

some not even videos, like a meme that

21:06

was like just stills of her making a video five

21:08

years ago.

21:09

She's like, well, I just lost my job.

21:11

I guess I'm just gonna like go around tomorrow to record

21:13

companies and see if, like they'll give me an

21:15

internship. And then it was just the next slide. It's

21:17

just her winning her Grammy and it was five years ago,

21:20

Like that's cool.

21:21

It's so cool, like Sabrine,

21:23

everyone leave. Everyone was just so them

21:26

and no one could do it. They like Sabrina Carpenter's

21:29

performance, so her, so old

21:31

timey Marilyn Monroe. Then you have Charlie

21:33

XCX just like yeah, yeah, dirty

21:36

dirty. Everyone was just so perfect

21:39

and yourselves like it was.

21:42

It was awesome. And then you know that man, you

21:44

know, flipping in the air. Yeah,

21:47

well somebody you'll love this because I don't know if you

21:49

saw this, but I saw some meme that was a picture

21:51

of that guy, and it goes every generation has

21:53

its imagined dragons, and

21:55

I know your sister loves imagine dragons.

21:58

Yeah, but I don't even know what that it like,

22:00

just the flipping because well no, because

22:02

the song is very it's like he sings

22:05

that. It's like on TikTok about beautiful,

22:08

you know, like that's like it sounds like an imagine

22:10

dragons sound, I think, but

22:13

the flipping. I don't think the dragons flip, but

22:15

yeah, like the spiritual of it all.

22:18

Yeah, yes,

22:20

like rocky pop rock

22:23

pop with a just a little dash

22:25

of Christianity.

22:28

But a little bit of church. But

22:31

yeah, wow, it was great. It was good.

22:33

I mean I again, I watched Album of the Year

22:35

live, like I watched that get announced because that

22:37

was like by the time I got my kids to bed, everything else, I took

22:40

it. I love all the memes

22:42

of people being like Blue Ivy runs that family,

22:45

like Blue Ivy being like mom, or get up

22:47

there, get up to the ward, go like

22:50

get it together.

22:54

They're like they're sweet. She seems sweet.

22:56

I wonder what the twins are up to, Like is

22:58

Blue the clear favorite or they just want to be

23:00

private?

23:00

Like I'm so curious of dynamic.

23:02

I feel like maybe it's like to a certain age

23:04

because the twins are young because we knew Blue the whole

23:06

time.

23:07

Yeah, we knew Blue the whole time.

23:10

Yeah. I also love the memes because

23:13

everyone hates on Taylor so much and like

23:15

I get it in

23:17

this but I love all of the

23:20

videos now of like everyone

23:22

listening to not like us, and everyone's calm,

23:25

and then it's like Taylor listening and it's like she

23:28

was going nuts dancing doing like what

23:30

the stinky leg or something. So it's like all

23:33

of these black creators are like dancing

23:35

as Taylor, being like, why did anyone tell us she was

23:37

fun?

23:38

Wait? Hold on way,

23:40

way way, and so like.

23:42

I'm really excited that a community

23:45

that like didn't really fuck with her,

23:47

like, oh wait, we like this drunk bit who's dancing

23:49

and like into Kendrick and holding a

23:52

bottle and all of their recreations

23:54

of her.

23:54

I mean, they all dance

23:57

better than her in their in

23:59

their memes.

24:01

But I love the love she's

24:03

getting online because she's usually just

24:05

getting I mean, obviously she's beloved.

24:08

Right, but she gets probably almost

24:10

equal hate. I'm sure. Yeah, So I just

24:13

love that. Oh my god, we didn't even talk about Gaga.

24:15

Like the new song is good. I

24:18

haven't heard it. Ak, it's

24:22

fucking good. It

24:25

is good.

24:25

Oh well, I texted you this. We

24:28

have to stop because we'll just keep going. But I

24:30

text you this. But COVID. One of the silver

24:32

linings of COVID was I got fully into the fucking

24:34

Traders and oh my god,

24:37

you told me forever. My friend's

24:39

other friends told me forever. I was

24:41

like, yeah, I'll get into it.

24:43

I'll get into it.

24:44

I never like shows like Survivor

24:46

because I don't want to watch people like fighting for

24:49

food and like naked on a beach like, but

24:51

this is like Survivor indoors,

24:53

like in a nice castle, you know what I mean.

24:55

Like that's what I like.

24:56

I like all the intrigue. I like all the can

24:59

I talk to you for a second, Hey, can I just can I grab

25:01

you? Like they're all just like going into rooms

25:03

and gossiping.

25:03

Are you kidding? It seems like the best and

25:06

I have been loving it.

25:08

So if this is your sign that if people

25:10

have been telling you to get into Traders, I was

25:12

holding out just honestly, not based on anything,

25:14

based on time. And oh my god,

25:17

I'm now I'm like appointment on Thursdays watching

25:19

it. Yeah I'm one episode behind at

25:21

the moment, but yeah,

25:25

fuck yah. Yeah it's a good show.

25:26

And the outfits, the girls that the Barbie the Bambies

25:29

are bringing it. Yeah, the Bambies.

25:31

I love when Bob not Bob the drag

25:33

queen, Bob Harper was like, I want

25:35

to be a Bambie. Yeah. You

25:39

know. One time I was working out next to him at my old gym

25:41

in West Hollywood, like in a really hard class,

25:44

and I was like, this is not I was like, this is

25:46

crazy. Why am I working out next to the biggest loser

25:48

guy? Like I shouldn't be here. By the

25:50

way, I'm sick, but I also worked

25:52

out the last two days because I'm trying to get back

25:54

into it. I can't walk. So not only

25:56

am I sick, I can barely walk. My muscles are

25:58

dying.

25:59

I don't think mid COVID is the time to pick

26:01

up a routine.

26:02

I was done with my COVID.

26:04

The pink line was gone.

26:05

I did pilates one day and then I did boxing the

26:07

next day and it was so fun. And now I can't walk.

26:10

That sounds fun. Now it's it's

26:12

awesome. I'm like, I'm like scared

26:14

to go back.

26:15

Honestly, I really felt so sick, but like

26:18

I I'm actually doing two classes on Saturday.

26:21

What because my teacher is covering

26:23

the next class, So she's doing TTPD

26:26

to reputation from one to one forty

26:28

five and then at two to two forty five, she's doing

26:30

nineteen eighty nine to debut.

26:33

Wow, So I'm gonna do doubled.

26:36

I'm gonna just do it whatever. Who

26:39

cares? How else am I going to get

26:41

the attention of the teacher I love? Are you

26:43

gonna do too?

26:44

Go for it? While I'm snotting everywhere

26:48

full snoting by Saturday.

26:53

Oh.

26:54

I also would like to say my

26:56

friend Jared Goldstein, I'm talking to him online.

26:58

I'm talking shit about some one and he goes,

27:02

you're a nerd. I go, excuse

27:04

me. He goes, why don't you go look at your fireplace?

27:06

You don't think you're a fucking nerd? And

27:09

then I realized, I'm a nerd? Why what's

27:11

in your fireplace?

27:12

My toys? I

27:18

have a pretzel clits like my trolls,

27:20

my Simpsons nerd for toys.

27:22

You're a yeah, you are kind of like a merch toy

27:24

nerd.

27:25

Yeah. I'm like talking about these weird TV shows

27:27

from seventeen years ago in depth

27:29

analysis of the house, and I like it

27:32

was just this slap in the face that I needed

27:34

where I'm like, oh my god.

27:37

Why do you take a look at your fireplace?

27:41

I can't believe about fucking good

27:44

Nerd. I'm

27:46

so devastated. I guess

27:48

I'm well, it's fine. That

27:52

was my big thing I had written. Also, February

27:55

twenty third, Karen and I are doing That's

27:57

Messed Up Live in Washington, d C. Yeah.

28:00

Yeah, well the planes stay in the sky. We'll

28:02

see, let's hope, so we'll see.

28:04

Tickets are going.

28:05

The tickets are going pretty fast, but we still have some left.

28:07

So guys, get out there and get some ticks. You can go

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28:15

To scam you.

28:16

Yeah, go to That's messed Up Live dot com. We have

28:18

the true link. And then Lisa will

28:20

be there the weekend before. By the way,

28:22

go see Lisa do stand up that Saturday, that

28:24

Friday, Saturday, and then come see us do the pot on Sunday.

28:27

Yeah, and then this weekend in Portland

28:30

for V Day week. Yeah,

28:32

and I think I have some good outfits planned.

28:36

My got my sight in my lover's sweater.

28:39

Yeah.

28:39

It's my first road date in months, Like I truly

28:42

it feels weird. It feels weird to take

28:44

breaks, like most of my career have just like never

28:46

taken time off.

28:47

And I feel like.

28:49

This year was the longest I've been off

28:52

the road in chunks of my whole life, my

28:54

whole career, even when I start like cause

28:57

I took two months off the road in the summer and then

28:59

like two months off now, and like I don't think I've ever done

29:01

that.

29:02

Yeah, but it's good, right, Well,

29:04

my business manager has given me a call for sure.

29:09

He goes, are you gonna work anytime soon?

29:14

Because I'm getting blowouts?

29:15

You know?

29:16

But uh, hell

29:19

us, Oh my god, all right, I'm killing

29:21

time at Del Frisco's. I mean

29:23

it's out a control.

29:24

Well, we have a aalise today and they've already

29:27

they gave us a ten what feels like forty five minutes

29:29

ago, So we should get started on the episode.

29:31

But yes, go to I also wanted to

29:33

say, not to keep plugging stuff. But the move Goodrich

29:36

is on Max. Oh yes, Jared

29:38

saw it. Jared saw he said he saw you. How

29:40

did he feel? I mean, Michael Keaton

29:43

is such a good actor. He liked it, but I don't

29:45

think he saw all of it. He just saw he saw your part though.

29:47

He's like, I started watching Good Rich and he's like, I got

29:49

to lease his part.

29:50

But he was the scene of.

29:51

Michael Keaton in that elevator and he starts

29:54

tearing it and I'm just like, wow, Yeah,

29:57

a man of our kind of times.

30:01

I don't know what else did

30:03

I watch? Research? Oh, was I gonna?

30:05

I was about to talk about escape at Xana Moor again. Get

30:07

me get out, cut me out. We gotta

30:09

stop. But go

30:12

to That's Messed Up live dot com also and scroll

30:14

down and you can go to Lisa's thing to see all her

30:16

future roaddates because she's got a lot of stuff going on. And

30:18

I'm gonna update my website today.

30:21

My manager I was like, I it's

30:23

like photos from twenty nineteen. There's

30:27

no road dates on it, the specials not

30:29

on it. It's my well, I am my manager's

30:32

email. Yeah, but I should get the link tree on the

30:34

website for God's sake.

30:36

What that look is going

30:38

on? But it

30:40

is hard to focus on stuff when you

30:42

wanna Yeah, all right with that? And

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31:00

Okay.

31:01

We are today doing

31:04

Solving for Unknowns, Season twenty

31:07

one, episode nineteen.

31:09

Damn.

31:09

This episode dropped like right at

31:11

the beginning of the pandemic, but is one of these

31:14

was from the final the season they shot right before,

31:17

so everything's still normal. There's

31:19

nobody kind of taking a mask on and off whenever

31:21

they feel like it, or judges

31:24

with plastic in front of them. So Benson

31:26

and Rollins are just having a girl's day at

31:29

the shooting range, and Benson's like, let's

31:31

pop off another round and go get drunk, baby,

31:34

which sounds like a lot of fun. But Rollins is like, my

31:36

babysitter, and I'm like, what's

31:38

another twenty dollars? Come on twenty

31:40

five? I don't know what you're paying. Benson says,

31:43

there are some squad room changes. I want

31:45

to run by you, and Rolin's like, what's up? Is Kat

31:47

fucking up? And then Benson's like, well, you

31:50

need to report to one PP on Friday. And you can

31:52

tell Rollins has kind of like always

31:54

been a little bit of a fuck up because she immediately

31:56

is like what did I do? Like, am I losing my job

31:58

over my gambling? My insane sure that I've covered

32:00

for my flirting with serial killers?

32:02

Like what did I do? And Benson's like, I'm

32:04

just messing with you.

32:05

Girl. You're getting promoted to detective's

32:08

second grade. And Rollins is like,

32:10

oh my god, I didn't even think for a second

32:12

it could be a good thing. Like she's like, she's

32:15

like, after the year I've had and

32:18

twenty one, season twenty one is actually a very busy

32:21

season for her. Like when you go through the Hulu, like

32:23

a lot of the episodes are like Rollins

32:25

does this, Rowins does that. But what I'm

32:27

assuming she's referring to specifically is how she

32:29

got kidnapped by that other

32:32

cop whose daughter was being trafficked.

32:34

And she had to like talk him off the ledge that he

32:36

wouldn't kill her.

32:38

Did that episode, Yeah, yeah, Boo

32:41

Bouchie the guy's like name is Bouchie or something,

32:44

so live

32:46

in Rollin's hug. And then Rollins is like, bottom's

32:49

up or drinking. So a

32:51

Uni gets into the car. Now we're

32:53

at a different scene. It's at night. A Uni

32:55

gets into a car as partner he hands

32:57

his partner coffee and she's like, did you bring me anything? And

33:00

he's like, oh my bad, and I'm like, you

33:02

guys are no Benson and Stabler in terms of chemistry.

33:05

We cut to a woman driving down

33:07

a street in New York in a massive

33:10

delivery truck with a cupcake on

33:12

top.

33:12

Okay, it is very

33:15

wild the visual.

33:16

Okay, she's swerving all over the road,

33:19

she looks traumatized, like,

33:21

I don't know, this doesn't look like a drunk person to me. And

33:23

then finally she runs into the

33:26

cop car like she's swerving all over the place. People

33:28

are running out of the way of her car, and then bam

33:30

into the cop car where these two cops

33:32

are drinking their coffee and talking about sweet

33:34

treets. And it is funny

33:36

also that it's a cupcake, because she was like, did you bring

33:39

me something sweet?

33:39

And then bam they get slammed by a cupcake truck.

33:41

It's very classic SVU imagery,

33:44

I feel, and I do think it's funny that they

33:46

had to like either find a cupcake truck

33:48

or make one for the show just so this

33:50

scene could happen. And like, the cupcake truck is very

33:53

prominent in the entire episode. So

33:56

this girl stumbles out of thecake truck.

33:58

She looks dazed. Her name is Jill, it's

34:00

written on the truck. It's called like Jill's Cupcakes

34:02

or something. She has no idea what's going

34:04

on. They think she's drunk, but obviously

34:07

this is SVU. It seems like more than that. She

34:09

loses her footing but isn't really passing out,

34:12

and the cops coffer. They're at the precinct

34:14

and they're asking her to blow into a breathalyzer, but she's

34:16

sucking in. They're taking her

34:19

fingerprints and she's wincing in pain, like

34:21

there's something going on with this person, you know.

34:24

Like now she's in a very very like rough

34:26

and tumble holding cell with a ton

34:28

of other women, and she has.

34:30

No idea why she's even there. She's like, where

34:32

am I?

34:33

Like?

34:33

What am I doing here? So this is not

34:35

just like a woman who got wasted and decided

34:37

to take her cupcake truck on a joy ride. So

34:40

now we're at arraignment and Caresee is remanding

34:42

some freak and Finn is there to make sure

34:45

that the guy goes down. Jill is sitting

34:47

there, completely out of it. And when

34:49

they ask her to plead, she goes plead

34:52

and her lawyer just goes, not guilty, and

34:54

then you know, Carisee's obviously

34:56

clocking that this woman's acting a little bit weird.

34:59

Suddenly Jill can speak and she remembers some things,

35:01

and she goes, I was raped last night

35:03

and the cops arrested me. So obviously,

35:06

Cariese's like, well, that's not gonna fly with me. He's

35:08

gonna get her over to SVU obviously, and we

35:10

are at the credits. So now we're at the squad

35:13

room and Creasy is giving live the rundown.

35:15

Her name is Jill Baker. She's

35:18

thirty five, fun Jill Baker, and she's

35:20

a baker. I just said that wrong. Her name

35:23

is Jill Bailey. Her name is Jill

35:25

Bailey, and she's a couple Like, that's you. That's

35:27

more silly than usually goes,

35:29

but I was into it.

35:30

Yeah, it's like.

35:31

Her name is Jill Marketing executive and

35:34

she like, no, sorry, Jill

35:36

big Bailey is thirty five.

35:38

Oh my god, you won't believe.

35:39

And I was doing some crowd work at the cellar

35:41

and this dude was a defense contractor

35:43

for foreign weapons and his partner

35:46

who was with him was

35:49

a social worker for cancer

35:51

patients. Oh my god, Oh

35:55

my god, did you have fun

35:57

with that?

35:58

Yeah?

35:58

Thank you? Yeah at that time.

36:04

Oh my gosh. I mean, it's like you

36:07

just know how to pick them, you really do. You never

36:09

get a boring one. So this

36:13

girl, Jill, her blood alcohol

36:15

is point zh nine, which is barely

36:18

over the limit, but the arresting officer

36:20

said she was wasted. So now

36:22

she's in wood room lines talking to Katamine

36:25

and Rollins, and she's like, I was

36:27

at a bar downtown. I was on a date with a

36:29

guy named Luke. I met him on Trueheart,

36:32

another addition to the

36:34

SVU website Hall of Fame. That's like their

36:36

version of match, or their version of

36:39

actually no Tinder. And they

36:42

ordered Howlers. She said she

36:45

had two. They must have been strong. She's

36:47

like, I felt not like myself.

36:49

I still feel not like myself. She's like, then

36:52

my memory drops out and it picks back up with

36:54

me trying to drive my truck.

36:55

So here's what I don't understand.

36:57

It's like, you're a cupcake baker in Manhattan,

37:00

and like, why are you driving your truck

37:02

to a date. I don't understand, like you must

37:04

be you must be parking your truck

37:06

somewhere, Like you can't be using a massive

37:09

truck that's impossible to park

37:11

with a cupcake on top, to go

37:14

hang out at bars like that.

37:16

It's just so crazy.

37:18

I mean, I'm not victim blaming something happened, but i

37:20

am like, kind of the logistics

37:23

of how you parked your truck are crazy to me. Anyway,

37:26

she felt like her body wasn't listening

37:28

to her brain. She felt drugged. So

37:31

then in court, maybe because

37:33

the guy in front of her that Finn was there to make sure

37:35

went down, maybe because he was there for a

37:38

sexual assault charge.

37:39

In court, she said it.

37:40

Hit her that Luke had raped her, Like her clothes

37:42

felt wrong, she was sore.

37:44

She's like, I just knew I'd been raped.

37:46

And so she goes to show them the messages

37:49

that they had exchanged on True Heart and they're gone,

37:52

but she says he messaged her something like,

37:54

oh I had a fun time, did you get home okay?

37:56

And that she wrote what did you do to me?

37:58

And then he obviously matched her and Kat

38:01

goes, oh, so he ghosted you, And

38:03

I'm like, Cat, that's not really ghosting if he's

38:05

covering his tracks for a sexual assault. Like

38:07

I know that's like kind of a it's kind of

38:09

like a sort of elementary way to put it. But like

38:12

so Rollins is like, well,

38:14

we can contact the app, but like we need you

38:16

to get to the hospital right now so we can like do a talk

38:19

screen find out if you were drugged. And Cat's

38:21

like, yeah, they're going to test you for over three hundred drugs.

38:23

So now they're at the bar from

38:26

the date, the Howler bar, okay, and

38:29

Rollins and Finn are chatting. They're like, Cat's

38:31

not getting anywhere with the dating app, and

38:34

then they see it, which is honestly

38:37

should be part of this, like why the

38:39

dating app like does not help and like later

38:41

you find out more information about the dating app like not

38:44

being responsible. But they see a sign

38:46

for the Howlers and that they

38:49

ask the bartender like, oh, what's in these? And he says

38:51

white rum palm, sugar panned

38:54

and leaves and coconut cream. So

38:58

maybe it's like a little bit of a Pina

39:00

colada vibe. I can't figure what this would taste

39:03

like. I can't imagine what this would taste like. But anyway,

39:06

he remembers Jill, even though it was so

39:08

busy. Of course, he's the bar, he's an s View

39:10

bartender. Of course he remembers everybody's name,

39:12

what they ordered, and like how they paid. He

39:15

remembers exactly the guy. He goes, he

39:17

paid with cash, because I remember he counted the

39:19

money out loud as he put it down. And

39:21

they say, well, we're gonna need your security

39:24

footage, and he goes, well, they're not my cameras.

39:26

I'm freelance. And then Finn's like, get a manager.

39:28

Will wait, like, don't fuck with Finn, you weird bartender.

39:31

So at the precinct, now the timeline's

39:34

coming together. They've got crystal clear

39:36

footage of Luke and Jill at the bar

39:39

from eight to eight fifty. They have two drinks,

39:41

they're pounded them. That's fifty minutes to order

39:44

drink too, and then they're out of there. Like there's

39:47

no sign on the video of him spiking the drinks

39:49

at all. They walk out. She doesn't

39:51

seem fucked up, she doesn't seem drugged. She's walking

39:53

okay. At nine o'clock they catch them on

39:56

street cams. They're walking, she seems fine.

39:58

An hour goes and

40:01

then they have him walking her to her truck

40:04

again, her cupcake truck. I'm

40:06

laughing at her cupcake truck being driven to the

40:08

date. Let me walk you to your truck. So

40:10

he walks her out to the cupcake truck. They kiss

40:12

gobye in front of it, and then she's standing there

40:15

but they're like, she doesn't seem responsive, like he kisses

40:17

her and she just stands there kind of like a zombie. And

40:19

then the crash was ten minutes later, so

40:22

he either drugged her in the bar or

40:25

during this lost hour and lives like,

40:27

well, we know what blocks they were on in that hour,

40:29

so let's go like someone saw them.

40:32

So we cut to the canvas.

40:33

A doorman knows exactly who this guy is,

40:35

says he has an annoying dog, points them

40:38

to a bodegas and then where he goes.

40:40

The bodega guy goes, I know this guy. He

40:42

buys two beers every night, pays

40:44

with cash and counts it out on the counter

40:47

or whatever. But they also have a break. Bodega

40:50

guy goes, I know where he lives. When it rains, he orders

40:52

in and they're like two beers and he's like two beers

40:54

in a pizza to be fair. They're like, we bring

40:56

him a pizza, and I'm like, what bodega makes pizza. I mean,

40:58

maybe it's a like a Stofer's French

41:00

crust or something that you do in the microwave,

41:03

but I've never had Podiga pizza.

41:06

At his apartment.

41:07

We finally meet Luke Mitchell, and I don't

41:09

think I realized this the very first time I watched this episode,

41:12

but he is played by Eddie K Thomas,

41:14

who is famously the guy who fucks

41:16

Stiffler's mom an American Pie. Yeah,

41:19

yeah, he is shipbreak. He's you

41:22

know, he works a lot. He was in Harold

41:24

and Kumar, a bunch of episodes of Masol. He

41:26

was a regular on till Death, ninety

41:28

plus episodes of a show called Scorpion. Like,

41:31

this guy's working all the time. He's a voice on American

41:33

Dad. He's done like one hundred and ninety episodes of American

41:35

Dad or something like that. So Eddie

41:37

K Thomas is working. So

41:40

he's like, my place is kind of a mess, and they're like,

41:42

we've seen worse. They kind of elbow their way

41:45

in and he's like, oh yeah, Jill,

41:48

did you know he drives she drives a cupcake

41:50

truck, and he's kind of laughing, and I'm like, I

41:52

want to be clear. I'm not laughing that she drives a cop

41:54

cupcake truck. I'm laughing that she took one to a

41:57

date in Manhattan, that's all. And

41:59

he says after the bar, they came back

42:01

to his place and had sex, but it was consensual.

42:04

And he's like, I always ask these days,

42:07

implying that like four years ago, he

42:09

never asked. You know, like four

42:11

years ago, I just did whatever, But nowadays

42:13

I'm asking. Okay, So we already

42:16

are getting a weird Incelli vibe from

42:18

him.

42:18

Okay.

42:19

He mentions walking to her to the truck, and Finn

42:21

says, yeah, we know, we saw

42:23

it. And Luke's like, oh, I guess we're

42:25

living in a police state. But I guess it's good.

42:28

You know.

42:28

It's like he makes cops.

42:29

You can tell what he would talk about with

42:31

his friends, about treating women

42:34

and stuff. So they ask about the

42:36

app and about how he goes, yeah, actually,

42:38

Jill wrote me something weird and they're like,

42:41

yeah, was it?

42:41

What did you do to me?

42:43

And he's like, come on, guys. He

42:45

keeps calling the cops guys. He does this multiple times,

42:48

like he's trying to like befriend the cops. And he's

42:50

like, I support all the me too stuff.

42:52

I'm one of the nice guys. And he says

42:54

it in a way that implies he is absolutely not

42:57

one of the nice ones and does not support that

42:59

quote unk quote stuff. And then

43:01

he starts saying, you know, the pendulum

43:03

swings way too far. These women come up

43:05

with ideas and they just blame anybody for

43:07

anything. It's like, you're not anybody.

43:10

She didn't point a finger at a random stranger. She's pointing

43:12

a finger at someone she just went on a date with the night before,

43:14

Like, this is absolutely not crazy.

43:17

And his dog is barking and he's like,

43:19

look, I got to take my dog out for a walk, and fing

43:21

goes and then get your two beers and

43:24

Luke's like, no disrespect, but can I

43:26

ask you guys to leave? And then they leave

43:28

and Kat goes seem like a nice guy to you, and

43:30

Finn goes for a rapist, so they're

43:33

onto this guy. Jill

43:35

is now in Live's office watching

43:38

footage of the walk to the truck with the good night kiss.

43:40

She doesn't remember any of it.

43:41

They tell her that he's saying

43:44

the sex at his apartment was consensual, and she's

43:46

like, I was in his apartment, Like she's

43:49

not even chucked about the sec that there was

43:51

intercourse.

43:51

She's like, I don't even remember being

43:54

there. More bad news.

43:56

The top screen came back negative and

43:58

they're like, you know, so it's possible

44:00

that it had cleared your system, or that you were

44:03

dosed for something outside of these three

44:05

hundred drugs that we test for. Finn's

44:07

like, listen, people design drugs that are

44:09

not testable, Like the labs can't

44:11

keep up. She goes, you mean drugs

44:14

that turn women into zombies, and Live goes, Yeah,

44:16

a lot of times victims can walk

44:18

and talk, but they don't know where they are or what's

44:20

happening. And this is like an episode we

44:23

covered called Smut where a guy did

44:25

this where he was drugging women with scopolamine,

44:27

which is honestly an anti nausea

44:29

medication, but in a certain dose can have

44:31

you you can like we talked about

44:34

it and are thing like people can use it to take people to ATMs

44:36

and they take out all the cash on their account and give it to them

44:38

like they act, they can function, they can even

44:40

speak a little bit, but they're basically walking zombies.

44:43

So liv is like, we believe

44:45

you. Everything that you

44:48

told us about the way you felt at that moment, and

44:50

what happened is evidence. And Jill's like, well what about

44:52

a conviction and lives like you leave that to us.

44:54

So now Careesi shows up at the Prince pre saying

44:57

t runs into Jill and she's like, well, my life

44:59

is terrible. Talk screen came back negative and

45:01

I have a DUI and my truck is impounded. And

45:04

Creasy's like, I'll get that dui kicked down the

45:06

road for you until we figure out what's happening, like with your

45:08

assault case. And so then he goes into

45:10

the squad room and he's like, give me the Luke Mitchell

45:12

information, like he wants to help Jill. Luke

45:15

Mitchell has no record, but this was well

45:17

planned. He has probably done this before. He's

45:20

a risk analyst in midtown. Never married.

45:22

Kat goes borin ass Facebook,

45:24

which I love, like I love. She's just like that

45:27

Facebook is giving nothing, and

45:29

Finn goes he's a loser, no wonder. He needed

45:31

an app to get a date, which is shady

45:34

because plenty of people are married to people

45:36

they meet on apps, and Rollins is like, not

45:38

everyone can be as magnetic as you. And then

45:40

Kat defends the apps. She goes, it's the

45:42

fastest way to meet people. But I've

45:44

gone out on a lot of dates where people are nothing

45:47

like they are in their profiles.

45:48

So Cat's out there getting catfished.

45:51

Live wants a warrant for Luke's apartment, but Cariese's

45:53

like, well, the talk screen is negative. I can't do it warrant

45:55

if I have nothing for them to actually search for that specific

45:58

Then dundun Rollin gets

46:00

a lead. She finds a same mo

46:03

in ycap. Four months ago, Rebecca

46:05

Larson said she was drugged and raped by someone

46:08

named Luke from a True Heart app. It's like, dude,

46:10

there's twelve apps. Get on a different app. Stop

46:12

like you're trying to get away with it. I'm not trying to tell people how to

46:14

get away with shiit. But Jesus Brooklyn SVU

46:17

caught the case. They closed it for insufficient evidence,

46:19

but you know, Benson is ready to put it.

46:21

Also is like the people in charge,

46:23

they're not going to do anything. I mean, that's a big problem,

46:25

like I think you can probably do fucked up shit.

46:28

And now.

46:30

It's kind of how if you write men

46:32

are trash, she'll get in trouble. But you can write

46:34

like die you dumbhore.

46:35

Yeah, it'll be fine.

46:36

It's like the people in charge of being

46:39

on top of it are also in cel tech

46:41

doors.

46:42

Yes, absolutely, yeah.

46:44

They're like, ugh, yeah,

46:47

we're not going to take this guy off our platform because

46:50

he's just out there trying to get chicks.

46:52

You know, he didn't do anything. It's me too,

46:55

gone amuck. Anyway, they're

46:57

talking out to Rebecca and bless her.

46:59

She lives in a beautiful, huge apartment in Brooklyn.

47:01

Okay, she says the Brooklyn

47:04

s View detectives stopped returning her calls

47:06

after her talk screen turned up negative.

47:09

This is how you know our squad is different,

47:11

Okay, because that's probably more along the lines

47:13

of what happens in real life, Like your talks ring

47:15

comes up negative, they're like, okay, fake

47:18

or bye. So they tell

47:20

her she might have been drugged with something like they told

47:22

Jill that doesn't have that there's no test for. And

47:24

Rebecca's like, but I was careful, like I ordered

47:27

beer in a bottle. How could that happen?

47:29

Which is a good that's

47:33

point, yeah, yeah, And she had

47:35

one beer. They asked

47:37

her about the date and she goes, well, he

47:39

wasn't hot, but he seemed fine. What to

47:42

read? Wow, Like you

47:44

seemed okay but not hot. They

47:46

went to a place called Pinky six. She only had

47:48

one beer, got woozy. Then

47:50

big gap in her memory and only tiny flashes.

47:53

And in the tiny flashes, she's like, I'm awake,

47:55

but I can't open my eyes. I feel limp, I

47:57

can't move. I knew I was on my bed naked,

48:00

I knew someone was on top of me. My whole

48:02

body's shaking. And then my eyes pop open,

48:05

and then she go, they go, do you remember what

48:07

you saw? And then it's a hard cut to a lineup

48:09

with Rebecca trying to pick the guy out of a

48:11

lineup and it's all mid white

48:13

guys in weezer glasses, like it's so

48:16

many of the same white hipster

48:18

guy like or wanna be hipster guy? You know, Like

48:21

she identifies Luke, she

48:23

thinks, but she's like, can you ask him to come

48:25

closer and put his chin up? Meanwhile,

48:29

of course, at the exact

48:31

time this is going on, Jill is at

48:33

the precinct to fill out forms, like,

48:35

yeah, whoever is in charge of the schedule at

48:37

SV he really needs.

48:39

A talking to.

48:40

You guys need an office admin, Like

48:42

you really need someone running the schedule

48:45

because you have way too many victims there at the same

48:47

time so that they can fuck up their identifications.

48:50

Also, the purp is there, like he's there,

48:52

like he's there for the lineup, Like, so, why

48:54

would you risk her running into her abuser anyway?

48:58

Of course that's what's happening, because it's a TV show backed

49:00

and and Jill is clocking and she's like is

49:03

he in there?

49:04

Is someone ideing him? Like she knows what's up.

49:06

Back to Rebecca, once she sees

49:08

Luke with his chin in the air, she

49:11

starts freaking out and she's like that's

49:13

him, that's him, I know for sure, and Live has

49:15

a calmer down. She's like having a full

49:17

bodily reaction and she runs

49:20

out of the room. Of course, Jill

49:22

sees her, runs up to her and is like did

49:24

he rape you too?

49:25

Did he drug you?

49:26

And they have to like keep them apart and say like stop

49:28

talking to each other. You could blow the whole case

49:30

and then they separate them. But Rebecca tells

49:34

Live like those other s, few detectives

49:36

in Brooklyn did not believe me, and I even doubted

49:38

myself what happened. But now that I've seen

49:40

Jill, I know I'm not crazy and I'm not the only

49:42

one.

49:43

This happened too.

49:43

So it is good in a way that like they

49:46

saw each other. But it's like, let's not give his lawyer

49:48

a reason to throw out the ideas. So now

49:51

we have Luke in interrogation and he admits

49:53

that he all that he also went on a date

49:55

with Rebecca, same actual

49:57

situation like drinks then sex.

50:00

But Live is like, okay, but they both

50:02

said they felt incapacitated and that you raped

50:04

them like one accuser, okay,

50:07

two accusers. It's starting to look bad for you,

50:09

bro, And he's like, this is what I was

50:11

talking about. It's open season on men. This

50:13

girl is piling on. What

50:16

are you talking about? Finn's like, oh,

50:18

like, so why did you on match? Like he goes why

50:20

ghost them? But it's like, why did you unmatch with both

50:23

girls that have accused you of assault? And he's

50:25

like, oh, is not calling girls back a crime?

50:29

Ugh?

50:29

And it's and they're like, no, but drugging and rape

50:32

is. And he stands by. He keeps saying, like, we are

50:35

like getting to know you. We see like

50:37

we know no one wants to go on dates with the orphan.

50:39

Yeah, like you're acting

50:42

like a fucking creep, Like, yeah, it's

50:44

not an open season, but we

50:46

could tell that you're not.

50:48

You wouldn't be crushing it, sir.

50:51

Yeah, you're weird with his personality

50:53

because the thing is like he's not an unattractive man.

50:55

He's not. Oh you're weird.

50:56

You know, you're like you're the little things you

50:59

say, you're weird, Like you count money out loud

51:01

on the counter.

51:01

What's up with you?

51:02

So they go, no, calling

51:05

girls back's not a crime, but drugging and rape is.

51:07

And he really stands by that he did not drug

51:09

anyone, and like, if you search my apartment, you're not

51:11

gonna find drugs. Then there's like a long

51:13

pause, okay, and they're just like looking at him,

51:15

and he's just looking at them, and he's like, okay.

51:18

Uh. He admits he takes girls to

51:21

bars that pour strong drinks. He's like, it just

51:23

makes it easier for them to relax. Because the dating

51:25

world is brutal, and I'm like, it's

51:28

really, I don't think it has to be that brutal if

51:30

you're just a fucking normal guy that like asks women

51:32

questions about themselves and doesn't act like and

51:34

acts like women are people, you know.

51:36

Well, yeah, and you're not like just entitled

51:39

to sex day

51:41

one, you know what I mean? Yeah, like that's

51:43

your goal is exactly just

51:46

the fuck, So find

51:48

someone else who also wants that, Like, stop drugging

51:50

people. Yeah, there's people with problems

51:53

that would choose you.

51:55

Yes, there's a lid for every pot

51:57

usually, but just I don't think there's a lid for all you

51:59

fucking in cell rapee guys. But

52:02

anyway, So now they're at Pinky

52:04

six, which is the bar where Luke took Rebecca, and

52:06

the hostess like, it's.

52:07

A dumb name.

52:08

I know, I don't want to know why that's what that is.

52:12

But the hostess she's an ally

52:14

Okay, she doesn't recognize the guy from the photo, and

52:17

they're like, have you heard of anybody claiming to be drugged

52:20

at this bar? And she's like no, but I

52:22

get it. She's like, when I'm on the bar, I keep an eye

52:24

out, like she's obviously looking for pers

52:26

but she's a hostess, so she's like, I'm in front of house most

52:28

of the time. So they ask who else

52:31

was bartending and then she goes,

52:33

oh, four months ago on a Friday, let me just grab

52:35

my iPad and like, you know, thank god for like

52:37

technology. And she looks at the

52:39

schedule and she goes, oh, we were down two of our

52:41

regulars, so we called in a freelancer. And

52:43

cat's like a freelance bartender and

52:46

we've heard this, We've heard this word before. And the

52:48

hostess goes, there's an app for that, and

52:50

I couldn't remember what that was. And Apple

52:52

did trademark that phrase, so that is a trademark

52:54

phrase. Wait, anyway, trademark name, there's

52:57

an app for that. The phrase there's an app

52:59

for that is trademarked by Apple, oh,

53:02

because they allegedly they used it in

53:04

like a two thousand.

53:05

And nine promo campaign for the iPhone.

53:08

Wow. So yeah, So

53:11

she shows them a photo and profile

53:14

from like freelance bartender the

53:16

app, you know, freelance barman or

53:18

whatever, and photo

53:21

and profile and his name is Ash Gordon

53:23

and it's the same guy that served Jill on

53:25

her date with Luke.

53:26

Okay, it's the guy who told Finn that he

53:28

was a freelancer. Okay. I actually

53:31

have a friend whose name.

53:32

Is Ashley Gordon who goes by ash Gordon on her

53:34

Instagram, and I did want to point out that

53:36

she wrote Drag the musical,

53:39

which everybody in New Yorkshire go see.

53:41

It's Broadway.

53:43

Yeah, it's off Broadway at New World Stages,

53:45

which is a great place to see stuff. I saw Avenue

53:47

Q and Rock of Ages there, so go see

53:49

Dragon musical. This is unpaid.

53:51

She's just my friend and she's great and.

53:53

She's the one that brought me in to write on like

53:55

Nina West's album, like when she did a kid's

53:57

album, you know, like she does a lot of writing for

53:59

a Drive queens and their songs and stuff. Okay,

54:03

so now Kat and Rollins

54:05

are talking to this dude, ash Gordon

54:07

and confronting him about like they're like, oh, remember when

54:10

you lied to us about not knowing Luke And

54:12

he's like, well, I maybe didn't remember

54:14

him because I serve one hundred people a night. They're

54:16

all just drink orders to me. And yeah,

54:19

he's a good actor. Because this guy's immediately like

54:21

he immediately before gave me kind of like the creeps,

54:24

but he's even slimier now.

54:25

The actor's name is Daniel London.

54:27

He has been in one to two episodes

54:29

of a lot of programs, like he's got up an extensive

54:32

IMDb, but I don't recognize

54:34

him really from anything specific.

54:35

Kat's like Luke

54:38

Mitchell.

54:38

He called you six times in the last six

54:40

months, and he goes, I give out my number

54:42

to a lot of customers.

54:43

I have a following. People want to drink where I'm

54:45

pouring.

54:46

Is that even a thing if it's not your

54:49

friend who's a bartender who bartends

54:51

at different places? Are people following different

54:53

bartenders around to bars in New York?

54:56

Well, you know you like the movie The Menu.

54:58

I'm sure there's like culinary people for

55:00

bartending, right, yeah, yeah,

55:03

I don't think this guy's doing that, though, I don't think

55:05

this.

55:05

Guy's best of the best.

55:06

But I'll say you usually just like work at a bar,

55:09

like no one's like chasing the poor, right

55:12

right, Like I can calmly drink whiskey that

55:14

comes out of this guy's bottle, you know what I mean?

55:16

Like I don't that's not a thing, but

55:20

let's see.

55:21

Okay.

55:21

So Rollins is like, okay,

55:23

dude, but the last two girls you poured for

55:26

with Luke ended up drugged and sexually assaulted.

55:28

And this guy's like, and like,

55:31

what does that have to do with me? Like not being helpful,

55:34

Like the in cell vibes are popping, well, not

55:36

even an acting of like oh no, yeah,

55:39

it doesn't care. Doesn't care, like

55:41

that's what I mean. Like immediately, it's like this is a man that

55:43

does not see women as people at all. He's

55:45

like, look, I'm not stingy with the booze, and these

55:48

women have no problem letting

55:50

guys buy them drinks all night. And then he goes

55:52

if they can't hold their liquor, that's on them. So

55:55

we're already getting the vibe that this guy is a misogynist,

55:58

Like you know, he wars heavy drinks to

56:01

help his bros out, and the women need to

56:03

if they're going to get their shit paid for, they need to hold their

56:05

alcohol. That's his logic, I guess. So

56:08

Rollin starts her usual bullshit.

56:10

She's like, oh, this guy's not going to go with bad cop, I've got

56:12

to go with flirt cop. So she immediately goes,

56:15

maybe you're right, why don't you come down and party

56:17

with us at the precinct downtown And he's

56:19

like, seze right through it. He goes, do people fall for that?

56:21

And it's like they do, sir, she's very hot. They do.

56:24

Many people fall for it. He

56:26

knows his rights, and he says, technically, I don't need to

56:28

be talking to you at all. He's like, why don't get the hell out of

56:30

here because I need this space at the bar for customers. So

56:33

this guy, you know, he knows

56:36

his law. Corisy Live and Rollins

56:38

are at the coffee cart on the street. Now Luke

56:41

spent the night in holding and Live explains

56:43

that they think he has an accomplice, this Ash

56:45

guy. Neither woman drank that much,

56:48

but they both ended up barely conscious. And

56:50

it turns out that also Ash

56:52

Gordon has no criminal record,

56:55

but was a chemistry major in

56:57

college and he got kicked out for conducting

57:00

unauthorized recreational drug

57:02

trials in the lab.

57:04

Wow. Wow, it's like how quick do

57:06

they.

57:06

Go through everything? Like they they find

57:08

out who Ash Gordon is, they check his record, then

57:10

they go to what like where

57:13

he's front. They call the college immediately and like

57:15

you heard of this guy? They're like, oh him, recreational

57:17

drug trials guy, we know him, you know. They

57:20

find out all this information very quickly. I love detective

57:22

work. But Caresee's like, okay,

57:25

but like, what's in it for the bartender if there's no

57:27

motive and there's no evidence, Like, how am I going to get

57:29

a subpoena? And live goes, just tell the

57:31

judges your cop instincts and he goes,

57:34

I'm an Ada now, and then he's

57:36

like then he goes and gets his egg sandwich from the

57:38

coffee card.

57:38

He comes back, he goes, never, I'll try to push.

57:40

It through, like he's just still gonna

57:42

like he obviously it took like a zero pushing

57:44

for him to be like all right. So now

57:47

he's They're at Luke Luke's

57:49

arraignment and Careese's asking

57:51

for fifty thousand dollars bail. The lawyer wants

57:53

ro r. He has

57:55

a steady job, no record. This is Morning

57:57

After Regret, and he has a female lawyer, which pisses

57:59

me off. He has that woman that kind of reminds me of Edie

58:02

Falco as the lawyer and the

58:04

judge splits the difference and sets it at twenty five

58:06

k. Jill is there in court and they're

58:09

like, you didn't have to come here, and she's like, I'm just trying to piece

58:11

together what happened. I thought maybe if I saw him

58:13

or heard his voice it would help. And then

58:16

Corisi tells her, look, it's gonna take some time,

58:18

like from I used to be a detective, like these

58:20

things can be you know, take some time, and

58:22

then she goes, Unfortunately, we didn't really find

58:24

anything in his apartment, so we think he might

58:26

have an accomplice, and immediately Jill

58:28

goes the bartender and he's like, what

58:31

do you know about that?

58:32

Yeah, he's like why do you say

58:34

that? She goes.

58:35

They seem to know each other. They were laughing together

58:37

when I walked in, and they knew each other's

58:39

names, and Carisee's like, you may have just gotten

58:42

me probable cause. So now we cut

58:44

to this bartender's apartment and

58:46

he's like, i'd offer you a beer, but I

58:48

don't know what the etiquette is for someone illegally

58:50

searching your apartment, and Finn's like, we actually have

58:53

a warrant, so it's legal to shut the fuck up, and

58:55

he has kind of a nice place for a bartender who

58:57

can't hold a steady gig and is like a free

58:59

land spartender. And I guess he

59:01

likes Sunday in the park with George. It's decorated

59:04

in a wild way. He goes, all

59:06

you're gonna find is toothpaste, mouthwash,

59:08

and vitamins. I believe in clean living. It's

59:11

like, you're a bartender, what.

59:15

Okay? And then as soon as.

59:17

He says I believe in clean living, Cat shows up

59:19

and goes found percocet and he's like, that's

59:23

prescription from dental work. And then a

59:25

tech calls Cat and Thin over and goes

59:27

check this out. They find this

59:29

computer. They find his computer

59:31

with a file labeled Luke and there's all these

59:34

files in them. The guy can't open them. They're

59:36

encrypted, but like he's like, it'll

59:38

take time. And then Ash goes, sorry,

59:40

guys, huff and puff all you want, but that's

59:43

not happening, Like so now he's just taunting

59:45

the cops. And the files match

59:47

the dates of the two rapes, and

59:49

there are four other folders in there with different

59:52

guys' names, with five to six files

59:54

in each. So Finn's like we could

59:56

be looking at twenty five more rapes. So this

59:59

is bad. So in Live's

1:00:01

office, Kat is reporting to Live

1:00:03

that nothing was found at his place

1:00:06

drug wise, just I drops

1:00:08

antihistamines percocet, and

1:00:11

Lives like, but he could have used that stuff to make this

1:00:13

and they're like, yes, but any good lawyer will

1:00:16

explain him having those are household things, you

1:00:18

know. But that's probably the point of how this guy's making

1:00:20

shit is he's using non detectable

1:00:22

shit that everybody has, you know. Yeah, So

1:00:25

Live points out if he's buying

1:00:27

drugs from anybody, like the percocet,

1:00:30

he's using cash or crypto. What about

1:00:32

the files and they're like bad news.

1:00:34

He's they're triple ENCRYPTID, only he has

1:00:36

the password and the app. We can't go to the app,

1:00:39

as we've already found out in this episode, the apps don't

1:00:41

help you. But even so, they're designed

1:00:43

so that even the company cannot access the file.

1:00:46

So there's twenty six other files

1:00:48

in there. How do we find these victims? And you know,

1:00:50

Liv knows what to do to get victims

1:00:52

to come forward. She's like, we get them to find us,

1:00:55

cut to her in her fancy tie outfit,

1:00:57

her fit like her tie uniform outfit,

1:01:00

doing a press conference right in the precinct.

1:01:02

We got the cameras in there. She did a costume

1:01:04

change, and we're rolling. Okay, we see

1:01:06

a woman at a nail salon getting a pedicure

1:01:09

and watching the report looking shook,

1:01:11

like she's watching liv talk about this man.

1:01:14

His name is Luke.

1:01:15

He's on the app True Heart, like this

1:01:17

is what happens.

1:01:18

Then there's another woman in a cab watching it on Taxi

1:01:20

Cab TV, same thing, and then

1:01:22

a third older woman is watching it at her house

1:01:25

and we're seeing them all kind of react to this press

1:01:27

conference, and Live is just urging any victims

1:01:29

to come forward. They're like, how long do you think

1:01:31

it's going to take? Phones start ringing immediately,

1:01:34

like there's victims out there and they're all watching

1:01:36

the evening news on landline television

1:01:38

or whatever. They're watching it on antenna

1:01:41

television. So the phones immediately start

1:01:43

ringing and the tips are coming in. So

1:01:45

now the girl in the taxi is talking

1:01:48

to Finn with the same story. Couple

1:01:50

of drinks at a bar, suddenly coming too on her

1:01:52

bed naked, she can't sit up her body isn't

1:01:54

working. Pedicure Girl's story. She's

1:01:56

telling Kat how she was scared and embarrassed. She

1:01:59

just needed to get out of there. They're going back and forth

1:02:01

between the two of them. Taxi girls said, I

1:02:03

messaged him asking what did we do the night before?

1:02:05

And she even threw in some emojis to

1:02:07

keep it light, and Pedicure girl goes,

1:02:10

he said, we hit it off like rock stars.

1:02:12

That's not how I remember it. Then

1:02:15

this is what's fucked. Taxi girl says,

1:02:17

I reported him to True Heart five times.

1:02:19

They never got back to me.

1:02:20

And then the pedicure girl goes, I didn't even know

1:02:23

I could call the police because I didn't remember anything.

1:02:25

Taxi girl says, I only had

1:02:27

a sense that something bad had happened, and so

1:02:30

I've just been trying to forget it. But then obviously

1:02:32

seeing Lives press conference, like she's like,

1:02:34

this must be what happened to me. So now

1:02:37

they're talking to the older woman and she

1:02:39

says, I'm not a victim, but I think my daughter

1:02:41

Piper may have been. She had a stroke

1:02:44

the night she was raped. The mom is like,

1:02:46

whoever heard of a twenty eight year old girl having

1:02:48

a stroke. I mean, it does happen,

1:02:50

but it is, you know, it's not as common. And

1:02:53

she hasn't been the same since. She's afraid

1:02:55

to sleep. I have to sleep with her all night. She doesn't fall

1:02:57

asleep till the sun comes up. Like it's bad. Now

1:03:00

they're talking to Piper. She says the

1:03:02

night that night that she got home,

1:03:04

something felt wrong. She called her mom, She went

1:03:06

to the er. They started a rape kit.

1:03:09

Ten minutes into the rape kit, her ears started

1:03:11

ringing. She had a stroke, followed by seizures.

1:03:14

The doctor said that drugs could have triggered

1:03:16

the stroke. They didn't go to the police

1:03:18

because she didn't remember anything. This was

1:03:20

three months earlier. And she goes, my life ended

1:03:23

three months ago. And her mom's like, no,

1:03:25

honey, and she's like, mom, it did.

1:03:26

Shut up.

1:03:27

And Piper

1:03:30

is played by Madison Ferris, who played

1:03:33

Laura Wingfield in The Glass Menagerie.

1:03:35

And she has something called face

1:03:38

show scalpulo humoraled

1:03:40

muscular dystrophy and was the first

1:03:43

wheelchair user to play a lead on Broadway,

1:03:45

which I thought was a cool milestone

1:03:48

person to call out that

1:03:50

Madison was the first person to do that. So

1:03:52

now live in Careesy are with

1:03:54

Luke and his lawyer in the Brick interrogation room,

1:03:57

breaking the news to them that hey, what's up, buddy,

1:03:59

there are few more women that have come forward with an

1:04:01

identical m O. And that is, by the way, just

1:04:04

like that is they have. These two women

1:04:06

have come that we're talking to. Are

1:04:08

all three women are from the Luke file.

1:04:10

Okay, So also Piper

1:04:12

who had a stroke that night and is paralyzed and

1:04:14

has braid damage. Guess what, bro if she dies,

1:04:17

that's felony murder. And he's like, no

1:04:19

way, I put her in a cab. She was walking

1:04:21

and talking like she was fine when I left her. And

1:04:23

they're like, yeah, all your victims were. That's how drug

1:04:26

facilitated rape works. And she's

1:04:28

and he's like I still. He's like still,

1:04:30

like I didn't drug anyone. I didn't drug anyone. And they're like,

1:04:32

okay, well, let's talk about Ash, like

1:04:34

we know you two have been in touch since your arrest. So

1:04:37

Luke spills. He's like, okay, here's what's

1:04:39

up. Before a date, I would call Ash

1:04:41

and let him know that I was coming in. And

1:04:44

then they're like and then he would drug them

1:04:46

and he goes I guess and Greasy's

1:04:48

like, not good enough, buddy, and Luke's

1:04:51

like, all he told me is that he would give them

1:04:53

something, something so that they would be compliant

1:04:56

is the word he used, which is great.

1:04:58

I don't want compliant to be used

1:05:02

in dating at all, Yes, at

1:05:04

all.

1:05:05

Like Luke, you're discussed, I wrote, okay,

1:05:08

dude, but something is still fucked in your head that you want

1:05:10

to have sex with women who are lying there like zombies, barely

1:05:12

conscious, like that you want compliant

1:05:14

women. You are equally fucked up as

1:05:16

the man who mixes the drugs. So they

1:05:19

act because he keeps going. But I didn't

1:05:21

drug them, And it's like, but you are looking for

1:05:23

that, are you not? Like you're looking for a drugged

1:05:25

woman. So they ask Luke, like

1:05:28

what's in it for Ash, Like why is he doing

1:05:30

this? And Luke's like, the guy's a mad scientist.

1:05:33

He wants me to video. He all

1:05:35

of the dates and sent them to him and

1:05:38

then he says he calls

1:05:40

them his clinical trials. And they're like,

1:05:42

okay, well you got to give us your video copies. He goes,

1:05:45

I don't keep copies. That would be a violation of

1:05:47

the girls privacy. Like, what

1:05:50

the fuck, dude, Like your moral

1:05:53

compass is truly smashed on the bottom of

1:05:56

a river, Like, what the fuck? What

1:05:58

about Piper's cocktails? Say anything

1:06:00

about that specifically? And Luke goes,

1:06:02

well, we talked about how the date before

1:06:05

her it had worn off too soon, and they're talking

1:06:07

about Rebecca and he said, well,

1:06:09

that probably shouldn't happen again, so he

1:06:11

must have cooked something up. I don't know, and Lives

1:06:13

like, well, guess what, bitch, you're gonna find out. So

1:06:16

now they're going to do the little the

1:06:18

little you gotta go wear a wine. Yeah,

1:06:20

we're gonna dangle you game.

1:06:22

Okay.

1:06:23

So now Luke is pacing on a city sidewalk

1:06:25

while the squad watches from Afar Kat's

1:06:27

basically saying what I was saying just a minute ago.

1:06:30

She goes, why do these dudes want to drug women?

1:06:31

So they just lay there and Lives like she

1:06:34

points it out, the same thing with every criminal we

1:06:36

ever see on the show.

1:06:37

It's about control.

1:06:39

And then they're like, they tell themselves it's

1:06:41

consensual and since the women just lay there, you know,

1:06:43

and Finn goes yeah, and they can't get it any

1:06:45

other way, and this way They don't have to talk

1:06:48

or buy dinner. They just get what they came for, which

1:06:50

is gross way of putting

1:06:52

it, but absolutely true. You know, like, oh,

1:06:55

I don't want to like wine and dine some woman who's

1:06:57

gonna reject me when I can just knock

1:06:59

her out and have sex with her lifeless body.

1:07:02

Sorry, I assault her lifelife's body. It's certainly

1:07:04

not sex.

1:07:06

Ash comes out and starts yelling

1:07:08

at Luke about how your face is everywhere.

1:07:10

Man, why are you here? You screwed up? And

1:07:12

Luke is begging for help, like please, you gotta

1:07:15

help me. Ash is like, I can't be talking to you. Luke's

1:07:17

like, my lawyer says they might charge me for murder

1:07:19

over Piper, and Ash is like, I don't

1:07:21

really know names, and that's like you named, you have files

1:07:24

of all of them. And then Luke's like, Luke

1:07:26

goes three months ago and he goes, oh,

1:07:28

yeah, January twentieth, like he knew the exact

1:07:30

fucking date and who Piper was, long blonde hair,

1:07:33

like just from the three months ago remark.

1:07:35

So he is sick. Luke is

1:07:37

like, just tell me what

1:07:40

you put in it so I can tell the doctors like, I'll

1:07:42

say it was me. Was it like roofies or something?

1:07:44

And Ash is so insulted he goes, rufies,

1:07:47

you think I went to date rape depot and grabbed

1:07:49

a box or roofees. My work is artisanal.

1:07:52

I tailor make every batch so that

1:07:54

they're not too lively and not too zombie.

1:07:57

Like this is fucked up.

1:07:58

He starts shoving Luke and going this doesn't

1:08:01

happen with the other guys, like you're the one that got

1:08:03

caught, and then the cops show up and he's

1:08:05

like and they start arresting Ash.

1:08:07

He goes, Luke, you stupid moron, and

1:08:09

he punches him right.

1:08:10

In the face, which is satisfying, and then

1:08:12

Live cuffs him and Ash is

1:08:14

still like, you guys don't have anything.

1:08:16

It's kind of wild.

1:08:17

And then in interrogation with his lawyer, they're just playing

1:08:20

back the tape, like the artisanal comment the

1:08:22

batch about not being too zombie, not too

1:08:24

like, and Ash's lawyer is like, he's

1:08:26

just bragging you got nothing, you have no evidence,

1:08:29

and they're like, we have Luke's testimony and five

1:08:31

women who id that him as the

1:08:33

bartender who served them, plus Piper's

1:08:35

talk screen came up positive for percocet.

1:08:38

She was the only one that went immediately to the er and

1:08:40

got a talk screen. And that's what we found

1:08:42

at your place. And when a jury SE's

1:08:44

like, he's like, that's prescription. And they're like when a jury

1:08:46

sees Piper on a stand in her wheelchair slurring

1:08:49

her words, and he's like, that's

1:08:51

tough. But I didn't do anything to her. I was just leveling

1:08:54

the playing field, and lives like, oh, do

1:08:56

tell? And here comes another in cell

1:08:58

manifesto on this show sees He's

1:09:00

like, I see guys sweaty and desperate every

1:09:03

night getting rolled by women. I

1:09:05

told Luke, if you're gonna pick up the check, at least

1:09:07

get something for it. And Live

1:09:09

says, oh, and same with all your other clients, and

1:09:11

he goes, they're not my clients. They don't pay

1:09:13

me. It's like, dude, you're like a moron. You could be

1:09:15

making money off of this too, but you're

1:09:18

that psycho that you just want it for the fun of

1:09:20

it. Like he's like, they don't

1:09:22

pay me, They're just guys trying to get over And

1:09:24

just like them, you need me more than

1:09:26

I need you. I didn't rape them and if that's

1:09:28

what you want to call it, and I but I do know

1:09:31

who did and it's like yeah,

1:09:33

and you have the encrypted video files to prove it.

1:09:35

So they've got to like work with this guy if they want to

1:09:37

get the other guys on this

1:09:39

fucking computer. At

1:09:42

the squad, they're hauling the guys in. They've got

1:09:44

four more rapists, each one more beta

1:09:46

than the next. They say, lives

1:09:49

like lives like yeah. Ash

1:09:51

gets off watching these women get raped after

1:09:53

he drugged them, and Rollins goes The

1:09:55

scary part is that he did not have trouble

1:09:57

finding five guys who were into this.

1:09:59

And I'm like, that's not hard to believe at all.

1:10:01

They just found a telegram chat with

1:10:04

seventy thousand men in it, and

1:10:06

they're all talking about raping the women

1:10:08

in their lives, their girlfriends, their wives,

1:10:10

their mothers, their sisters, and they're

1:10:12

sharing tips and tricks. Seventy

1:10:15

thousand people are in this chat, So I don't

1:10:17

find it art to believe that he found five guys in Manhattan he

1:10:19

could help out, you know, like not surprising.

1:10:22

And I will share a link to the article

1:10:24

about this telegram chat in our show

1:10:26

notes for this episode, but one

1:10:29

unless you already talked about it. But on

1:10:31

finding the victims, Rollin

1:10:34

says, unless these guys talk, we'll

1:10:36

never be able to find all of them, and

1:10:38

Live says, Okay, well let's notify

1:10:40

the ones we can. And I'm sorry, Like what

1:10:43

isn't this guy giving up the whole video password

1:10:46

as part of the deal, Like how are the other

1:10:48

rapists coming in without evidence,

1:10:51

which I'm assuming is in the videos? Like and they can

1:10:53

track the girls down from the videos, Like

1:10:55

I don't really get why they're like, we will never find

1:10:57

all the victims. Like if

1:11:00

you find these guys and you find out who they were matching

1:11:02

with on these apps, you will So I don't know.

1:11:04

But we see Kat breaking the news

1:11:07

to the girl, the pedicure

1:11:09

girl, Rollins goes to Rebecca, Finnn tells

1:11:11

the girl from the taxi. They're all

1:11:13

obviously extremely relieved and emotional

1:11:15

that Luke is going to jail.

1:11:17

Ash has been busted too.

1:11:18

Then Cariese's talking to Jill and she's

1:11:20

like, I honestly don't know how I'll trust anyone

1:11:23

ever again. Like it's sad. It's like this has like

1:11:25

completely like changed her life in not

1:11:27

for the better. Liv and Rolins are

1:11:29

now talking to Piper and they're telling her that Luke

1:11:32

will do ten years, Ash will do two

1:11:35

two because he cooperated and

1:11:37

gave up other rapists and

1:11:39

we can't prove that what he used were even

1:11:42

controlled substances.

1:11:43

But still the possession of.

1:11:47

The tapes

1:11:50

feels like it's and he should get

1:11:52

years for every count of that, plus

1:11:54

the facilitation of rape.

1:11:55

Like I feel like they could have.

1:11:57

Gotten him higher than two, but like I guess

1:11:59

he gave them four rapists, so I don't know.

1:12:00

They had to make a deal with the fucking devil.

1:12:02

But Live has to explain again

1:12:05

how criminals are ahead of the game with the drugs.

1:12:07

The law can't keep up, like.

1:12:09

You know, like they're using, how they're using household

1:12:11

stuff, like we there's like we can't figure out like

1:12:14

exactly what he used. And Piper's

1:12:16

like, well, I want to get strong enough to make a statement

1:12:18

at sentencing. They thought of me as

1:12:21

a thing to experiment on, but I want them to

1:12:23

know that I'm a human being and I matter and

1:12:25

lives, like you're going to do that and we're going

1:12:27

to be by your side every step of the way.

1:12:31

And it's such a tough episode. But that's dick wolf

1:12:33

baby, I mean it is. It's

1:12:36

a dark one. I like, this is a

1:12:38

more recent season, so I like kind of forgot about

1:12:40

I knew about. I remember the facilitated

1:12:42

I mean it, and I was

1:12:45

like when you were talking, yeah,

1:12:47

you know what I mean like that, Yeah it's new to us. Yeah,

1:12:50

Like I remember, I was like, oh, yeah, this is the one

1:12:52

where the bartender helps. But I like forgot about

1:12:54

the girl who had the seizure, and like her life is

1:12:56

fully she's paralyzed

1:12:58

now, like you ruined her life, you know, like

1:13:00

because you just gave her fucking whatever your

1:13:02

little concoction of drugs is. But

1:13:06

let's get into this true crimes

1:13:08

that you did your research on here.

1:13:18

Yeah, so the first

1:13:20

one is in Seattle. We don't

1:13:22

really do Seattle stuff very often.

1:13:25

I would say.

1:13:26

This guy's name is Ian Jurgensen. And

1:13:30

so we're in Seattle. We're at a popular EDM

1:13:33

venue. Okay, and

1:13:36

basically the police there with Homeland Security

1:13:39

ran a five month undercover sting at a nightclub

1:13:41

called Foundation. And if people

1:13:44

are from Seattle, it's on Western

1:13:46

Ave. So if that means anything

1:13:48

to anybody, Okay, so they

1:13:50

started the investigation in March twenty eighteen

1:13:53

because there was a lot of reports of drug trafficking

1:13:55

inside the club, as well as concerns

1:13:57

about a bunch of overdoses and then sexuals

1:14:00

in the area. And this was really

1:14:02

tough because it's from Seattle Cops

1:14:04

official reports and cops

1:14:07

lie, but that's those

1:14:09

are the sources.

1:14:10

So this is from the official report

1:14:12

as well.

1:14:12

Several in house drug dealers were allowed

1:14:14

to buy pass club security and

1:14:17

sell inside the venue, and

1:14:19

that management was aware of the drug dealing. And

1:14:21

then one dealer was bragging about his relationship

1:14:24

with the club owner and was explaining

1:14:26

like how much DGHB to used to

1:14:28

dose swim and depending on their weight and stuff.

1:14:31

So they were like selling GHB and then

1:14:33

like helping people dose out the

1:14:36

GHB. Oh yeah,

1:14:39

And so they got raided. They

1:14:42

got granted a warrant to raid on Wednesday,

1:14:44

August eighth of twenty eighteen, and

1:14:49

basically they seized

1:14:51

a lot, but I don't actually know, eight

1:14:53

hundred and twenty nine grams of cocaine, one

1:14:55

thousand grams of MDMA, four

1:14:58

hundred xccpills, eight hundred xanax,

1:15:01

one hundred and ninety grams of ketamine, thirteen

1:15:03

grams of DMT, and one hundred and seventy

1:15:05

six grams of GHB, twelve

1:15:08

hundred MALLI capsules, and then an additional

1:15:10

prescription drugs, two handguns, and

1:15:12

more than sixty grand in cash.

1:15:14

I like it.

1:15:14

When I started, I said, it's a lot, but then I went, oh,

1:15:17

I don't actually know if it's that much.

1:15:18

After reading the list, Yeah, it seems like

1:15:20

a lot. It seems like a lot. I

1:15:24

was like, I don't really know what grams are.

1:15:26

I don't know grams really, but like just the amount

1:15:28

of pills, like it seems like yeah,

1:15:31

but yeah, like all the other drugs I'm kind

1:15:33

of fine with, like party drugs, but yeah, selling the

1:15:35

date rape drug definitely takes it on another level

1:15:38

and like telling, you know, giving instructions

1:15:40

on how to rape, Like for sure, sell

1:15:42

some molly at the club, but what are you doing? But

1:15:45

also I do feel kind of with the

1:15:47

episode where the charges need to be more like

1:15:49

there needs to be facilitating to rape charge

1:15:52

or like attempt to to rate, like there's there

1:15:54

must be something. But basically

1:15:57

this guy Ian was quickly found what to be

1:15:59

the part, Well don't but but don't.

1:16:01

Don't like some people use g as

1:16:04

a party drug as well. Yeah, but they're

1:16:06

not drinking, got it?

1:16:09

Got a drink?

1:16:10

Yeah, So if you're putting in someone's drink, you're trying to

1:16:12

Yeah. Yeah.

1:16:14

So even this owner

1:16:16

was found, you know, to be the primary source, he

1:16:19

quickly blamed it on a few bad apples.

1:16:21

Lol, that doesn't work. And

1:16:24

so many all these.

1:16:25

Bad apples are really adding up, right, there's

1:16:27

so bad apples everywhere, it seems like only

1:16:29

it's like there's a lot of bad apples.

1:16:31

And but you know, he's like, I just love

1:16:33

the nightlife and music culture

1:16:36

and shut up. You get two accomplices,

1:16:39

Michael law Olmos said, and Christopher Jean

1:16:41

Cheret char Charrette,

1:16:44

and they I'm like thinking about Lacey's Shabert

1:16:47

Shabert from me girls when

1:16:50

I'm trying to pronounce this name. They

1:16:52

were also charged, these two guys with conspiracy

1:16:54

and unlawful use of a building for drug

1:16:57

purposes. The Glove The club, of

1:16:59

course, ended up having its liquor license

1:17:01

revoked by the Washington

1:17:03

State Liquor License and then

1:17:06

the club.

1:17:06

Is now closed spoiler alert rip.

1:17:10

Yeah, so the Washington State

1:17:12

Liquor and Licensed Suspension Bureau

1:17:15

or whatever released the press release

1:17:17

that said that the management provided

1:17:19

employee uniforms to the dealers so they

1:17:21

can blend in and run the VIP and sell

1:17:23

drugs. Ian was charged with supplying large

1:17:26

amounts of drugs to dealers. Sixteen

1:17:29

people along with him were arrested and

1:17:31

charged with like drugs, weapons conspiracy

1:17:33

charges. He pled not guilty to conspiracy

1:17:36

charges in connection with the Joint Drug investigation

1:17:38

on January twenty fourth, twenty nineteen. These

1:17:42

local cases were hard to find info on

1:17:44

because it's all like charges, arrested, raids, fun,

1:17:46

but like I couldn't find court or conviction

1:17:48

information. I did find

1:17:51

one Ian Jorgensen that's fifty years

1:17:53

old living in Seattle, so it might be him,

1:17:55

I'm sure, but I didn't want to pay

1:17:57

the monthly fee to be able to find more

1:18:00

information about this man. And yeah,

1:18:02

it's like all these cops just bragging

1:18:05

about the raid.

1:18:05

But how how did the court? Okay, yeah,

1:18:08

what happened?

1:18:09

Yeah, so yeah, like I wasn't able to find

1:18:11

where he served, if he got convicted, anything,

1:18:14

court transcripts, like I could not find

1:18:16

anything and all the

1:18:19

papers, Like I truly had to cite edm

1:18:21

websites like

1:18:23

night life sites.

1:18:24

Oh my god, that's.

1:18:26

So able

1:18:29

to find anything, and that happens.

1:18:31

That's like the sensationalization of

1:18:33

this sort of thing.

1:18:34

Yeah, the raid.

1:18:35

Happened, We got everything. I look at all the drugs

1:18:37

and it's like okay, and then did you make a deal? Did

1:18:39

these serve time? Did what happened?

1:18:41

You? Did the women get sult Yeah?

1:18:45

So very frustrating. And

1:18:47

then the next one too, it was

1:18:49

like the Guardian and Daily

1:18:52

Mail and like hello, like I couldn't

1:18:54

find info

1:18:56

really so this this is going to be

1:18:58

a more shorter episodes on the Crime

1:19:01

Front guy.

1:19:02

Sorry, but you

1:19:04

know we have hundreds of episodes. Get with it.

1:19:06

So this name is Millie Loftus

1:19:10

and we're in the UK again. Twenty eighteen.

1:19:13

Loftus was twenty two. She started

1:19:15

to feel ill on a train ride home after a night

1:19:17

out in Bath, so she started convulsing.

1:19:20

She couldn't stop vomiting as well. She

1:19:22

lost control of her speech, hands, legs and body.

1:19:24

On the way home to Swindon, that's where

1:19:26

she lived. British Transport Police helped

1:19:28

her and made sure she got into an ambulance. Her

1:19:31

drink had been spiked, and she was rushed to the hospital,

1:19:33

where her mother, Kelly, believed that she was having a stroke

1:19:35

due to being drugged with liquid ecstasy. Miley

1:19:38

said she had two drinks and after she ordered a third.

1:19:40

That's when she doesn't like remember

1:19:43

anything. She doesn't remember paying

1:19:45

for it or being given anything, and

1:19:47

like she had no control over her body. It

1:19:49

took thirteen hours of an ivy drip

1:19:52

to get rid of toxins in her body, so something

1:19:54

was in there.

1:19:55

And again it's just mirrors and daily mails.

1:19:58

It's like, yeah, it's.

1:19:59

Week, k is this week, but an amazing

1:20:01

episode and sorry, I don't know what to tell

1:20:03

you, but you know, this is like.

1:20:06

Like she probably never found out who did that to her, and

1:20:08

like, you know, so, yeah, I wish I had more.

1:20:10

I hope she's doing okay. That's obviously scary.

1:20:12

Anything happening in public, like that's scary. And

1:20:14

even like I bit we

1:20:16

chocolate from a friend and then it ended up being mushrooms

1:20:19

and so it was fine and I trusted my friend, but like

1:20:22

feeling like shit and out of sorts and

1:20:24

I still knew kind of what was happening, but not

1:20:27

was scary and annoying enough, like I can't even imagine,

1:20:30

Yeah, I just I can't

1:20:33

imagine having to deal.

1:20:34

With this, like yeah, losing

1:20:36

control of your body, like that's oh

1:20:38

my god, so terrifying, so terrifying.

1:20:41

Oh I hope that.

1:20:43

I don't know.

1:20:44

Everyone's got to be careful. I mean, I think I'm doing

1:20:46

drugs this weekend, but we'll see. Be

1:20:49

careful.

1:20:49

Yeah, all right,

1:20:52

another we all have.

1:20:53

To be careful and people need to stop like

1:20:56

raping women is what the fuck?

1:20:59

I know. Well, let's go onto

1:21:01

our post mortem because we don't have a guest for today's episode.

1:21:08

Wow, this episode fucking truly

1:21:11

like truly scary this episode because

1:21:14

this guy that does the potions

1:21:16

to get to drug women is literally

1:21:18

doing it out of the hatefulness

1:21:20

in his heart towards women. Like he literally is not

1:21:23

getting paid. Like it's so

1:21:25

like we're always like, oh yeah, men hate women. It's like

1:21:27

yeah, look at this like person in this episode

1:21:30

that's just like yeah, just like feel

1:21:32

like it's not fair guys buy these girls

1:21:34

all this stuff and then they don't hook up with them. So I'm just gonna

1:21:36

even the playing field, like ugh, vomitous

1:21:39

character. Yeah, it's

1:21:43

yeah, for the love of the game, their

1:21:47

initial thing. It's it's all just

1:21:49

so twisted and yeah,

1:21:52

it's like all they talk about is wanting

1:21:54

pure women and then also being

1:21:56

mad that women don't give it up for a vodka soda.

1:21:59

Yeah, so it's like, which is it.

1:22:01

Should we like fuck because you get a soda

1:22:04

or should they be like I

1:22:07

and acting like you're buying these drinks

1:22:10

from the goodness of your heart like

1:22:12

you. It's like like you want

1:22:14

something and it doesn't mean you're

1:22:17

entire This isn't a business thing. It's also like,

1:22:19

then stop. But if you say no,

1:22:21

thank.

1:22:22

You and you don't want someone to drink, you're a bitch

1:22:24

too, right, Suddenly you're

1:22:26

a bitch, Like how dare you not take this drink?

1:22:28

Right?

1:22:29

That's true too. It's fucked.

1:22:31

Yeah, you can't win. But

1:22:34

but I like seeing the guy from American Pie.

1:22:37

I did see a thing.

1:22:37

I didn't look into it, but I guess gen Z's watching

1:22:39

American Pie and they're not happy, and it's like, yeah,

1:22:41

it's not for you.

1:22:42

Get the fuck away from us.

1:22:44

Like we were like I don't know, oh my god,

1:22:47

yesterday I am there was like a boy

1:22:49

in the audience in the front and I go, what

1:22:51

are you gen Z?

1:22:52

He goes, oh, I'm not sure, and I go older.

1:22:54

He goes twenty two and I go, then you of course you're gens

1:22:56

and what else would you be? Why

1:22:58

at koy? When does alf start?

1:23:00

Not twenty two? Yeah, Alphas

1:23:03

are like thirteen.

1:23:05

Okay, they're the they're the they're the current

1:23:07

teens that are taking over Elon musks

1:23:10

No, but they know they know it's the

1:23:12

end.

1:23:12

They're like, okay with it. They're like, yeah,

1:23:15

no, the teens, the the gen

1:23:17

Z.

1:23:18

Watching uh the American High

1:23:20

reminds me of when you watched uh A

1:23:22

Devil Wars Prada with your niece and she was like, yeah,

1:23:24

there's that consenting well

1:23:26

my name, it's in your special. I'm acting like

1:23:29

that's something you just told me. It's like in your special.

1:23:32

Well, I didn't okay with herself, was like scared.

1:23:34

She was gonna be like, how dare you but talk

1:23:37

about me?

1:23:38

But she actually goes, oh, I guess I'm the

1:23:40

favorite since she didn't talk about the other kids.

1:23:43

Yes, she gets dementia. That

1:23:46

was like pretty funny, but

1:23:50

okay, so this is what la bible? Do

1:23:52

you know what this is is it lad Bible? Oh

1:23:54

yeah, Lad, but yeah what is that?

1:23:56

Yeah? I think it's like a

1:23:58

bro site.

1:23:59

Yeah, so yeah, it annoyed

1:24:02

me because the main characters are sexist losers

1:24:04

and don't deserve any female attention.

1:24:08

Completely ridiculous. They only

1:24:10

care about sex.

1:24:12

It's bordering on insect I just like, I don't

1:24:14

know it, just I guess it's problematic. I

1:24:16

bet I would still like it though, Yeah, oh

1:24:19

my god. You know what like you know, you

1:24:21

know what people have been the most mad at about

1:24:24

my special and the clips I'm posting online

1:24:27

are dog trainers saying how

1:24:29

you have to use a leash.

1:24:31

So it's like dog trainers are

1:24:33

fighting in my video.

1:24:36

Like this. They're

1:24:42

like, and then your dog's gonna get attacked

1:24:44

by my dog.

1:24:47

Whatever. I don't know.

1:24:48

The American Pie thing wasn't even interesting

1:24:50

in any capacity. I also did restart Orange

1:24:52

as the New Black. I don't know if I can, oh my gosh,

1:24:55

from this go on the journey.

1:24:56

I'm not doing the Journey, but

1:24:59

I was just like, I really loved

1:25:01

that and when it came out, what like and

1:25:04

then I yeah, I put it on and it was so good.

1:25:06

Yeah. Wait, totally off

1:25:09

topic as usual, but you're

1:25:11

are you caught up on the New York reunions and stuff

1:25:13

like or there was maybe there was one last night, but yeah,

1:25:16

like the one where the one where Aaron

1:25:18

I just think this is appropriate for our podcast. Yeah,

1:25:20

Aaron is like, well, you didn't report

1:25:22

it, your your sexual assault, and like, aren't

1:25:25

you worried that he's gonna do it to other women?

1:25:26

It was like, there was I don't think Brynn is

1:25:29

correct in a lot of what she's done.

1:25:30

I think she's got a lot of issues, but the

1:25:32

way that Aaron was talking to her about her sexual

1:25:34

assault was fucked up.

1:25:36

Well Jenna, thank god, stood up for her.

1:25:37

But it's also like Aaron, you're shocked

1:25:40

and it's unfair he's gonna do it again.

1:25:41

You donated to Trump twice.

1:25:43

Yeah, you donated to stop the steal a

1:25:46

convicted sexual abuser felon

1:25:49

who is now the president that you probably

1:25:51

voted for, And now you

1:25:54

don't understand how men

1:25:56

continue to abuse and women get punished

1:25:58

for coming forward.

1:25:59

You're a fucking moron.

1:26:01

Yeah. Yeah, So

1:26:03

there's something sinister about her, And

1:26:05

I hate to say that about a woman, a pregnant woman,

1:26:08

but like she yeah, there's something sinister.

1:26:11

Well, it's the pranks of it all. It's the Ellen Degeneress,

1:26:13

it's the George Clooney. People that are

1:26:16

known for pranks are bad

1:26:18

people. Wait,

1:26:21

fucking Blake and Justin Baldoni?

1:26:23

Like what the fuck? What is happening?

1:26:27

And I wonder if Taylor is not going to be friends

1:26:29

with them anymore? Like I wonder I heard.

1:26:31

I mean, the internet is saying that Taylor's

1:26:33

going arm's length. I know, but that's like,

1:26:36

you know, like that's

1:26:38

the internet. Close doors are not

1:26:40

like what where is their friendship stand? And like

1:26:43

Blake isn't I don't know. It's like tough,

1:26:45

it's tough to seal. But my

1:26:47

thing is, who was just I've never heard

1:26:49

of Justin Baldoni? So I don't understand

1:26:51

why people I don't want to know about it. I could

1:26:54

have lived my whole life never knowing about this man,

1:26:57

and That's what I'm mad about. But also, oh,

1:27:00

Brian weaponizing her assault is so

1:27:02

fucked up, just so fucking laying

1:27:04

into her.

1:27:04

Thank God.

1:27:05

Yeah, Jessel's standing on, but like, how dare

1:27:07

you do that? Brendo a family? Can you imagine having

1:27:10

to watch that with your husband, and it came

1:27:12

up out of nowhere when

1:27:14

she was just like, oh, you know, Jessel's

1:27:16

love of her life is a different guy. Just for context

1:27:18

everybody. She just like brought it up out of

1:27:20

nowhere on television and.

1:27:22

It wasn't true.

1:27:23

The conversation wasn't who's the love of your life? It was

1:27:25

the wildest hookup you've ever had? Yeah,

1:27:28

Yeah, and then she just went and lied. She's like she

1:27:31

has problems. Yeah, she has problems.

1:27:33

I think she's out of there. If they even keep that franchise,

1:27:36

she's out of there. I don't know. Maybe I'm wrong,

1:27:38

Maybe I'm wrong. I also can't wait for Summer House,

1:27:40

I know. You know, I'm I'm more of a I'm

1:27:43

more of an osmosis Summer House person, I know. But

1:27:45

it's like the Lindsay being pregnant

1:27:47

in the House Page, like Craig

1:27:50

and Page.

1:27:51

Yeah, like I'm.

1:27:51

Excited about all that, but also like sexism

1:27:54

is crazy. Anyone that's mad at Page or that she

1:27:56

lost a prize. Like my big thing

1:27:59

that I keep saying is Page could fuck Barack

1:28:01

Obama.

1:28:01

Yeah.

1:28:03

Page is one of the like perfect specimens

1:28:05

on this planet. Like I'm Paige just stated

1:28:08

my cousin, so page can do

1:28:10

better. Okay, oh

1:28:13

my god, Hello,

1:28:15

well all

1:28:17

right, should we move on. Let's go into

1:28:20

our what would sister peg?

1:28:22

Yeah, what we learned.

1:28:22

Don't drug women, don't take drinks, b

1:28:25

mean de men, be rude. Violence

1:28:27

is the answer. Kendrick Lamar twenty twenty

1:28:29

five. Be a hater, call people

1:28:32

out, say your shit. There's

1:28:34

no more in betweens.

1:28:35

Fuck anyone, Fuck any turfs,

1:28:38

Fuck anyone that is borderline

1:28:41

excusing or on the press,

1:28:44

anything fascism, it's a full revolution,

1:28:46

or they're not in your life no more.

1:28:49

I don't care if you vote

1:28:52

him, You're not much across the aisle.

1:28:54

No, I don't care. I don't feel bad for you. I don't care if you're

1:28:56

an uneducated piece of shit. You race this motherfuckers,

1:29:00

and I hope your kids lose their schools, and I

1:29:02

hope your family loses their jobs, and

1:29:04

I hope there's no more social Security for

1:29:06

you, And then I can laugh in your fucking

1:29:08

face. I don't feel bad for any Trump

1:29:11

voter that gets fucked over.

1:29:12

Yeah I don't.

1:29:13

But then I feel bad for the children, and I'm sorry

1:29:15

I do. I think the children the children, the children.

1:29:18

We don't think children deserve to have no educations,

1:29:20

of course, but listen.

1:29:22

But it's like what I like, and then we're

1:29:24

gonna have empathy for these people that just want the

1:29:26

worst.

1:29:27

This is what I read like during the Confederacy,

1:29:29

like the rev you.

1:29:29

Know that war, the Civil War, that

1:29:32

like the most

1:29:35

people that died fighting for the South

1:29:37

for the Confederacy were poor whites that couldn't

1:29:40

even afford to

1:29:42

buy an enslaved person, right,

1:29:44

yeah, but they were willing

1:29:47

to die for the rights for

1:29:50

rich people to own black people.

1:29:52

Yeah. Yeah, this is

1:29:54

what we're living in and we are still living

1:29:56

in that because we've never addressed it as

1:29:58

a nation and it's just like and.

1:30:00

That's what we're seeing now.

1:30:01

And we have talked about this all the time, but it's

1:30:03

like white people in this country

1:30:06

would rather lose, would rather their

1:30:08

kids not have school, their parents

1:30:10

lose their social security, them lose

1:30:14

you know, the ability to afford healthcare

1:30:17

and grocery. They're willing to fucking

1:30:20

suffer, Yeah, for black

1:30:22

people to not have like it is

1:30:25

and Mexicans and like any minority.

1:30:27

It's really hundreds of years

1:30:30

of white's willing and

1:30:32

we're not gonna time.

1:30:33

We're not going to we're not going to address

1:30:35

it as a country because it's getting it's like a

1:30:37

curriculum.

1:30:38

We're not talking about it anymore.

1:30:39

How funny that I argued with that dude a

1:30:42

few weeks ago about how he thought the

1:30:44

black dude who thought.

1:30:45

Of Black History Month was bullshit.

1:30:47

Oh my god, I know I can't.

1:30:50

I'm gonna see him this week and I'm gonna be like, so, I guess your

1:30:52

dream came true. You wanna backpedal?

1:30:54

Are you happy about Yeah? You

1:30:57

happy about this?

1:30:58

But it is like the ike of

1:31:00

the American It's basically just

1:31:02

like, as long as a black person

1:31:05

doesn't have it, like take my teeth,

1:31:07

take my take anything

1:31:09

you want, yeah, take my environment,

1:31:12

take it all.

1:31:13

Like, as long as they don't have

1:31:15

it. It's just like that.

1:31:17

The thing about the Civil War really like

1:31:20

made it so clear for me. Yeah, they

1:31:22

were willing to die for rich people to have

1:31:24

slaves. Well yeah, and like I saw this thing

1:31:27

on you know install or whatever, where

1:31:29

you know these guys that are like just try to go

1:31:31

call out conservatives for their hypocrisy.

1:31:34

All these people waiting in line.

1:31:35

It's like a protest against you know,

1:31:37

all the illegal immigrants that are killing us and raping

1:31:39

us all the time. They were like, he was like, how many of

1:31:41

you have personally been impacted by

1:31:44

illegal immigrants? Not a single person in

1:31:46

this huge thing, not one of them. They're

1:31:48

like, but they're ruining our country. They're like, but tell me your

1:31:50

personal experience. Nobody

1:31:53

you know, because these people are willing to

1:31:55

just go to the mat for whatever. You

1:31:58

know.

1:31:58

Their cult leader is saying, anyway, we

1:32:00

could do this all day. Let's move on to

1:32:02

what was Sister peg new.

1:32:04

This is our weekly segment where we direct you towards

1:32:06

a resource like a

1:32:09

website, an organization, a blog

1:32:11

post, an article, something to give

1:32:13

you more information about what we talked about today. And

1:32:16

this week we wanted to point you to an article

1:32:18

on the RAIN website. RAIN is the rape,

1:32:20

Abuse and Incest National network, which we've called

1:32:22

out before, but they specifically have an article

1:32:25

titled tips for Safer Online Dating

1:32:27

and Dating app use because

1:32:29

I feel like, you know, appropriate in this episode,

1:32:32

not that these women did anything wrong

1:32:34

in the episode, but just you know, ways to

1:32:36

keep yourself keep yourself safe. It

1:32:38

actually has a lot of helpful ideas for staying

1:32:40

safe while connecting online, like avoiding sharing

1:32:43

live or motion photos because those can include

1:32:45

geo location information.

1:32:47

I didn't know that.

1:32:48

It also has tips on staying safe when you meet in person,

1:32:50

like don't rely on your date for transportation. To

1:32:53

read all of their tips, head over to the Rain website.

1:32:55

That link will obviously be in our stories the

1:32:57

day this episode comes out, and then saved forever in

1:32:59

our WWSPD highlight on

1:33:01

our Instagram page, and we'll also

1:33:04

of course be in the show notes.

1:33:05

Thank you so much for that.

1:33:07

And next week we will be doing

1:33:09

Monsters Legacy and

1:33:11

that's from season fourteen, episode

1:33:14

thirteen, controversial one actually,

1:33:16

so watch it, don't watch

1:33:18

it, but definitely tune in. We're obsessed with

1:33:20

all of you. We are

1:33:23

grateful to have this podcast, So yeah,

1:33:25

thank you for listening.

1:33:27

And sorry, but we're

1:33:29

just like you.

1:33:30

You know what I mean, Like we're

1:33:32

just two girls that don't know what the fuck is happening

1:33:35

and don't know how to stop it.

1:33:36

And then I also then get like I'm

1:33:39

a hip hop but I'm not doing enough.

1:33:41

You know. It's like that's it's

1:33:43

designed that way. It's designed to make you feel

1:33:45

that way. Everybody take care of yourselves, fight

1:33:47

one cause at a time, and we'll see you

1:33:49

next week.

1:33:50

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