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2:01

Shefty we mentioned it last week monumental

2:03

week in the NFL and it lived

2:05

up to the billing so many good

2:08

games Man, it's crazy. We you wait

2:10

all year for the NFL to start

2:12

and then like you said in the

2:15

blink of an eye boom. It's already

2:17

Thanksgiving. It's just crazy how fast this

2:19

moves Let's get right into the six-back

2:21

Shefty topic number one that Thanksgiving is

2:24

going to look a little bit different

2:26

than we anticipated you know, several weeks

2:28

ago. Giants, QB Change, Daniel Jones officially

2:31

benched, not just benched, he slid all

2:33

the way down to three on the

2:35

depth chart. So that Thanksgiving Day game

2:37

is gonna look a little bit different.

2:40

Danny DeVito or Danny DeVito, Tommy DeVito.

2:42

Danny DeVito, Tommy DeVito. Danny, the Giants

2:44

are going back to where they were.

2:47

last year and I don't think anybody

2:49

surprised that Daniel Jones gets benched with

2:51

the 23 million dollar injury guarantee due

2:54

to him now how that would work

2:56

would be if he wasn't healthy on

2:58

the start of the league year in

3:00

mid-March and he couldn't pass a physical

3:03

the Giants would have to pay him

3:05

12 of the 23 million and then

3:07

If he still remained unhealthy and unable

3:10

to pass a physical, by the time

3:12

training camp opened, they had owned another

3:14

11 million, 23 million total, 12 in

3:16

March, 11 in July, but the Giants

3:19

didn't even want to risk it. They

3:21

essentially ended Daniel Jones' time in New

3:23

York barring the unforeseen because they're not

3:26

going to stick him back out there

3:28

now when they have Tommy Danny DeVito

3:30

as the starting quarterback. and drew lock

3:32

backing him up and drew lock is

3:35

a quarterback that they went out and

3:37

signed during the off-season paid him five

3:39

million dollars but Tommy DeVito's outplayed him

3:42

during practice and what I find interesting

3:44

is they're going back to Tommy DeVito

3:46

because they believe that Tommy DeVito is

3:48

going to give them a spark and

3:51

they believe that he's going to help

3:53

them win some football games. And when

3:55

they went to Tommy DeVito last year,

3:58

the irony of this all is that

4:00

he went on a three game win

4:02

streak last year, ripped off three wins.

4:05

And as great as those three wins

4:07

were at the time, they knocked the

4:09

Giants out of the top five picks

4:11

and denied them the chance to go

4:14

draft Jayden Daniels and Drake May. Now

4:16

if they had stuck with what they

4:18

had last year and not gone to

4:21

Tommy DeVito and lost those games, they

4:23

would have been in position to take

4:25

maybe Jayden Daniels or Drake May two

4:27

quarterbacks that they certainly explored trading up

4:30

to get that they couldn't get. So

4:32

Tommy DeVito caused him a quarterback in

4:34

the draft in the spring and now

4:37

they're going back to Tommy DeVito again.

4:39

And if Tommy DeVito provides the same

4:41

spark, it's not the same type of

4:43

quarterback draft by any stretch of the

4:46

imagination by all accounts. The quarterbacks in

4:48

the upcoming 2025 draft are a notch

4:50

below, at the very least, the quarterbacks

4:53

in the 2024 draft. This is not

4:55

the draft, apparently, according to scouts, that

4:57

you want to have to rely on

4:59

to get a quarterback. But if Tommy

5:02

DeVito plays the way they want, the

5:04

way they hope, that's going to hurt

5:06

their draft position again. And it's going

5:09

to dampen the possibilities of... being able

5:11

to use a high pick on a

5:13

quarterback. They're not worried about that. Look,

5:16

these teams run it to win football

5:18

games. That's what matters to them. But

5:20

Tommy DeVito hurt their chances last spring.

5:22

And he has the potential now, based

5:25

on how he plays starting Sunday against

5:27

the Buccaneers and on Thanksgiving Day against

5:29

the Cooper Rush led Dallas Cowboys. to

5:32

hurt their draft chances again. Again, we'll

5:34

just go back to that Thanksgiving Day.

5:36

When the NFL set the schedule, there's

5:38

no way in hell that they thought

5:41

America is getting ready to sit down

5:43

at 4.30 Eastern on Thanksgiving afternoon when

5:45

everybody's around the TV to watch Tommy

5:48

DeVito versus Cooper Rush. So it's Thanksgiving

5:50

with an Italian flare. this year, but

5:52

that's where we're at, Ty. Yeah, and

5:54

Shefti, I mean, I don't think anyone's

5:57

surprised by this situation. It seems like

5:59

every single Monday, or at least the

6:01

first several weeks of the season, you

6:04

were coming on Pat Show, and it

6:06

was basically, you're getting the text like,

6:08

hey, the Giants are sticking with Daniel

6:11

Jones, they're sticking with Daniel Jones, so.

6:13

I mean the clock was ticking and...

6:15

That's the amazing part, right? When you're

6:17

answering that every single week that we're

6:20

keeping this guy as the starting quarterback,

6:22

it's only a matter of time before

6:24

that week rolls around where you're not

6:27

keeping him as you're starting quarterback. And

6:29

the clock finally struck 12. The only

6:31

upset was that I wasn't on your

6:33

show. The Pat McAfee show it to

6:36

release the news that Daniel Jones finally

6:38

had lost his starting job. It should

6:40

have happened. It should have happened in

6:43

the 12-20 Eastern Monday window when we

6:45

do the hits considering all the attention

6:47

that we devoted to Daniel Jones keeping

6:49

his starting quarterback job this year. I

6:52

mean it's crazy and you mentioned it

6:54

thanksgiving you know I mean that seems

6:56

kind of like cruel and unusual punishment

6:59

that we're gonna have to be watching

7:01

that game especially but although you know

7:03

post post meal depending on when people

7:05

have it maybe that's an easy little

7:08

time to take a nap and you

7:10

know maybe just miss that one avert

7:12

your eyes a little bit but yeah

7:15

I mean very interesting to see what's

7:17

gonna happen with the whole giant situation

7:19

topic number two before we get to

7:22

topic to you brought up a very

7:24

good idea They've incentivized everybody to eat

7:26

as much food as possible to go

7:28

into a food coma on Thanksgiving to

7:31

take a nap during the Giants and

7:33

Cowboys game. There you go. Ty, you

7:35

just solved America's problem. Yeah, well, you

7:38

know, I do my bet. I mean,

7:40

whether it's, you know, eating too much

7:42

food or just trying to get away

7:44

from your family, I think, you know,

7:47

averting your eyes from that game probably

7:49

is the right move. Topic number two,

7:51

Chefty, let's stick in New York. Breaking

7:54

breaking news today. The Jets fired Joe

7:56

Douglas. We talked about it on Pat

7:58

show earlier today. What do you make

8:00

of that whole situation? Well, it's amazing

8:03

just how quickly this whole season has

8:05

disintegrated for the New York Jets, right?

8:07

You have a season that started with

8:10

talk. of whether they could make it

8:12

back to the Super Bowl, whether they

8:14

could make it to the playoffs. And

8:16

now, they have fired their head coach.

8:19

They have fired their general manager. They

8:21

have lost more games than anybody expected.

8:23

The season hasn't gone the way that

8:26

anybody planned. They're basically doing a reboot

8:28

on the entire organization. Now, Joe Douglas'

8:30

contract was going to be up at

8:33

the end of this season. And there

8:35

was every possibility that he wasn't going

8:37

to return. but that's what made the

8:39

timing strange on Tuesday that with seven

8:42

games left in the season that they

8:44

just fire the guy at that point

8:46

in time like why not let him

8:49

finish it out and go through the

8:51

rest of the season and instead they

8:53

appoint the former Browns general manager who

8:55

by the way We'll have a job

8:58

in this league as soon as he

9:00

wants one because that's how many supporters

9:02

allies and friends he has. He'll have

9:05

another job here in no time at

9:07

all and I can tell you that

9:09

he's probably relieved and happy that Jets

9:11

gave him an early holiday present, go

9:14

home early, take the rest of the

9:16

season off, don't have to be here

9:18

during this law season, get to spend

9:21

holiday with your families, get to spend

9:23

the holidays with your family, and then...

9:25

basically come back and return with another

9:27

NFL team next season. Again, not how

9:30

anybody would have drawn it up, not

9:32

how anybody would have imagined it, but

9:34

the Jets have turned into one of

9:37

the season's biggest disappointments, and this is

9:39

just the latest iteration of that with

9:41

their team firing Joe Douglas on Tuesday.

9:44

Pretty peculiar, but you know, I think

9:46

it was Bill Bellcheck who mentioned it

9:48

on the Manning cast a couple weeks

9:50

ago It seems like Woody Johnson is

9:53

kind of a ready fire aim type

9:55

of guy. So when stuff like this

9:57

comes out of nowhere I guess you

10:00

just kind of chalk it up to,

10:02

well, that makes sense. But we were

10:04

kind of talking earlier there. I was

10:06

thinking, Shefti, if this is a complete

10:09

reboot here, I know he's on, he's

10:11

on the hook next year and they,

10:13

they owe him a bunch of money,

10:16

but I mean, does that lead you

10:18

to believe that Rogers, you know, like

10:20

that's open book as well, they're gonna

10:22

reassess that too? And. Aaron Rogers has

10:25

looked like a guy who sometimes as

10:27

I look at him, I just say

10:29

to myself, he has to be thinking,

10:32

what am I doing playing this sport?

10:34

I'm over 40. I've got enough money

10:36

for the rest of my life. My

10:38

team is not very good. He just

10:41

looks like a guy who sometimes has

10:43

wondered whether he wants to keep doing

10:45

this. And so I don't know if

10:48

there's any great yearning on his part

10:50

to keep playing for the New York

10:52

Jets. And I don't think there's anybody

10:55

there with the New York Jets that

10:57

has any great yearning to keep Aaron

10:59

Rogers. And so all the elements are

11:01

in place for both sides to be

11:04

able to move on. Now we'll see

11:06

what happens. For all we know they

11:08

hire Mike McCarthy as their head coach

11:11

and Mike McCarthy want to keep Aaron

11:13

Rogers and these things always can go

11:15

any which way depending on moves that

11:17

teams decide to make. But sitting here

11:20

today in late November, a week before

11:22

Thanksgiving. It is all set up for

11:24

the Jets and Aaron Rogers I think.

11:27

I think. to go their own way

11:29

after the season. All right, well, that's

11:31

something to keep tabs on. It'll certainly

11:33

be very interesting to see how that

11:36

whole situation shakes out. Let's move from

11:38

one dumpster fire to another chef. The

11:40

topic number three, what is going on

11:43

in Jacksonville? I mean, we saw the

11:45

press conference with Doug Peterson, where it

11:47

just looks like a guy who's almost

11:50

just ready to tap out and give

11:52

up up up there. What is going

11:54

on with that whole situation? Well, look.

11:56

By the time we tape this and

11:59

air this podcast for all I know

12:01

it could be outdated But for the

12:03

record let the record show that we

12:06

are recording this or 15 Tuesday afternoon,

12:08

November 19th. Here's what we know. We

12:10

know that there's gonna be change that's

12:12

coming to Jacksonville. We just don't know

12:15

when that will be. When will the

12:17

Jag Wars owner, Shad Khan, decide to

12:19

make his move? They are on their

12:22

biweek this week, coming off what was

12:24

the worst loss. in franchise history a

12:26

46-point defeat against the lions that exceeded

12:28

the 44-point defeat that they had in

12:31

December of 1995 against the lions. So

12:33

obviously the Jaguars don't fare well against

12:35

the lions, but this was a 46-point

12:38

loss. They're on there by, look, I

12:40

think it's fair to say that there

12:42

are going to be sweeping changes in

12:44

Jacksonville. When they come, we will see.

12:47

We will see. We will see. That

12:49

is up to the owner. But nobody

12:51

thinks that they're going to return this

12:54

current organization in its current form for

12:56

the 2025 season. I think it happens

12:58

sooner rather than later. I think that

13:01

Doug Peterson ultimately knows that he's on

13:03

the hot seat. The general manager Trampalki

13:05

is on the hot seat and it

13:07

won't surprise me if there is an

13:10

overhaul in Duval. And we'll just wait

13:12

to see when Shah Khan decides to

13:14

act. Like you can't have what he

13:17

said is the best roster that he's

13:19

ever had. Have a 2009 record. Sign

13:21

all these players to long-term contracts and

13:23

look as disappointing as they have this

13:26

season. So now you wait for the

13:28

fallout. And as we recorded for 17

13:30

right now, Thai, there's still no word

13:33

from the owner. But by the time

13:35

we get done taping this, we may

13:37

have heard from him. Well, and and

13:39

you mentioned it you know shot con

13:42

saying hey, this is the best roster

13:44

the most talented roster We've had on

13:46

paper someone asked Doug Peterson that in

13:49

his press conference and he kind of

13:51

just looked at him dumbfounded Like, listen,

13:53

I never said that. So, you know,

13:55

and I never talked to him about

13:58

that. But building a new stadium down

14:00

there and everything, like, they gotta figure

14:02

it out. You gotta hire someone who

14:05

can turn that thing around and make

14:07

them a winner. Otherwise, you got a

14:09

very expensive stadium and probably not a

14:12

very expensive stadium and probably not a

14:14

lot of people wanting to show up

14:16

to those games. And it's been bad

14:18

for a while. And I don't know

14:21

what they do because they've tried all

14:23

sorts of things and none. But it

14:25

hasn't worked so far. And so something's

14:28

gonna happen here. Without a doubt, Chefty,

14:30

topic number four, let's go from one

14:32

place, changing coaches probably to one place

14:34

that definitely will not be changing coaches.

14:37

Pittsburgh Steelers, up to this point, has

14:39

anyone been more predictable and impressive than

14:41

Pittsburgh has? I mean, I think we're

14:44

talking legitimate chance to make a deep

14:46

playoff run this year. Isn't it incredible

14:48

what they do? I mean, it's just.

14:50

It's unbelievable. They played the Browns Thursday

14:53

night this week. And if they win

14:55

that game on Thursday night and beat

14:57

the Browns, Mike Tomlin will have maintained

15:00

his streak of never having had a

15:02

losing season in his 17-year head coaching

15:04

career. Here we are talking about the

15:06

New York Giants who are struggling and

15:09

the New York Jets who fired their

15:11

team. And here we have at the

15:13

opposite end of the spectrum. Mike Tomlin,

15:16

who if he wins on Thursday night,

15:18

and certainly we'll find that win somewhere

15:20

along the way sooner rather than later,

15:23

this will be his 17th straight head

15:25

coaching year without a losing season. Do

15:27

you know what they would do for

15:29

that in New York or Jacksonville? He

15:32

has become, that organization has become, the

15:34

model of consistency and all lo and

15:36

be old. Look at that. Look at

15:39

the coaches. Chuck Noll, Bill Cower, Mike

15:41

Thomas. The Jets in a calendar year

15:43

will have as many coaches as the

15:45

Pittsburgh Steelers have had in their franchise

15:48

history, basically. So this is what you

15:50

get for basically being patient and stable.

15:52

And Mike Tomlin just comes in, and

15:55

you know what they're going to do.

15:57

They're going to play great defense. They're

15:59

going to run the football. They're going

16:01

to take their shots when they can.

16:04

They're going to win the turnover battle.

16:06

It's just amazing. like you know what's

16:08

coming and nobody can stop them now

16:11

i don't know that in the end

16:13

that they will beat the chiefs or

16:15

the lions but boy that is a

16:17

tough team and a quality organization and

16:20

they just continue to produce and at

16:22

a time and a day and age

16:24

where we see these franchises struggling to

16:27

find their footing where we see these

16:29

franchises going through G.M. and coaching candidates

16:31

on a semi-regular basis. Here is Pittsburgh,

16:34

plotting along, doing what they do. Never

16:36

having a losing season. Amazing. It really

16:38

is. And on Sunday, I mean, to

16:40

beat that Baltimore team without scoring a

16:43

touchdown, just ridiculous. Find a way. Find

16:45

a way. They always do. Exactly. And

16:47

then on top of that this year,

16:50

everything with Russell Wilson, where people were

16:52

killing Tomlin, hey. Justin Fields has got

16:54

everything going and for him to have

16:56

the balls and you know just the

16:59

the wherewithal to be like you know

17:01

what no we're winning but Russell Wilson

17:03

is the guy who gives us the

17:06

best chance to be the best possible

17:08

team we can be and look how

17:10

that's gone and by the way Justin

17:12

Fields did play very well and they

17:15

could have won with Justin fields but

17:17

I think my Tomlin felt we need

17:19

somebody that's going to be able to

17:22

throw the ball consistently successfully and effectively

17:24

in division games when Baltimore has a

17:26

week secondary and they didn't go in

17:29

and light it up on Sunday but

17:31

they play well enough to be able

17:33

to do that and all those people

17:35

like all those people questioning Mike Tomlin.

17:38

What are you doing going to Russell

17:40

Will? Okay, okay. You know, it's like

17:42

staying your lane. Staying your lane. Let

17:45

Mike Tomlin coach, you guys analyze and

17:47

let him keep making what he believes

17:49

are the right moves for his team.

17:51

Without a doubt, I mean, it really

17:54

is remarkable. Shefty, let's move along topic

17:56

number five from a consummate winner to

17:58

another one. What about the chargers and

18:01

everything that's going on in L.A. with

18:03

Harbaugh? I mean, it's just it's not

18:05

the chargers. This is a completely different

18:07

franchise. That's the whole thing. And that's

18:10

the whole thing, right? We're talking about

18:12

talent and consistency. Well, the chargers also

18:14

were remarkably consistent for almost the entirety

18:17

of their franchise history. They were a

18:19

soft, underachieving team that never played up

18:21

to its talent level that was basically...

18:23

as tough as the California weather. They

18:26

just could not be counted on. And

18:28

they get one guy who comes in

18:30

there, and it feels like that guy

18:33

has totally changed the culture and perception

18:35

of who the chargers are today in

18:37

Jim Harbar. Jim has done exactly what

18:40

he's done at every coaching stop along

18:42

the way. And to me, I look

18:44

at the chargers and I say, they

18:46

are a dangerous football team. They are

18:49

a team that people... is sleeping on.

18:51

They are a team that can make

18:53

postseason noise. They are a team capable

18:56

of beating the Chiefs. They are a

18:58

team capable of making a Super Bowl

19:00

run. Now, I don't know how the

19:02

postseason will go. I don't know if

19:05

they'll get there. I'll bet they will.

19:07

I don't know how much noise they'll

19:09

make, but Jim Harbaugh is in his

19:12

own way as consistent as Mike Tomlin.

19:14

And his teams are gonna play his

19:16

brand of football. And he was the

19:18

perfect hire. for that he has been

19:21

everything that the chargers never have been.

19:23

He's tough. He gets the most out

19:25

of his teams. He plays up to

19:28

their potential. He is exactly what they

19:30

needed. And that was the right hire.

19:32

And he's gonna be in a favorite

19:34

spot to win the NFL Coach of

19:37

the year. And he's totally turned around

19:39

that team. And again, it's gonna be

19:41

really interesting to see what they do.

19:44

as this season gets late and as

19:46

they make it to the postseason because

19:48

I think people have not talked about

19:51

the charges enough as one of the

19:53

top teams in the AFC. And you

19:55

said it I think that's the the

19:57

best and most refreshing part. He's gonna

20:00

do it his way right when he

20:02

comes in Joe all obviously is a

20:04

road grader He's but but that's not

20:07

really a sexy draft pick for your

20:09

first draft you know for him. It

20:11

is for him. He's he's he's the

20:13

one that's an offensive line or weapons

20:16

Exactly, but but you still have all

20:18

those people second-gues and hey Malique neighbors

20:20

is out there you got Herbert you

20:23

just got rid of all your you

20:25

know weapons on the outside you know

20:27

get a guy like that and Harbaugh

20:29

just said, you know, like, no, we're

20:32

gonna play my way, we're gonna win

20:34

my way, and we said it back

20:36

when he first got hired on Pat

20:39

Show. I think, you know, I said,

20:41

I expect them to win 11 games

20:43

their first year, just because that's what

20:45

Harbaugh does. They just win. It's as

20:48

simple as that, and winners win, he's

20:50

a winner, and look what they've done.

20:52

I mean, In the last, however many

20:55

years, they lose that game every single

20:57

time. Every single time. The Bengals come

20:59

back and they choke. It's just the

21:02

way it goes, but you get a

21:04

guy like Harbaugh and he stops that

21:06

immediately. It's remarkable. It really is. The

21:08

chargers have charged it in the past,

21:11

but they're the chargers no more in

21:13

their gym. Yeah. And like you said,

21:15

I think that's one team that a

21:18

lot of teams in the NFL. The

21:20

AFC certainly you're looking at them come

21:22

playoff time. That is not a team

21:24

you want to play. You want to

21:27

play. Oh, yeah, no way. All right,

21:29

Chefty, let's move on to the sixth

21:31

and final topic of the six pack.

21:34

Let's stay in the AFC West. Broncos

21:36

quietly are coming on big time. What

21:38

do you think has been the most

21:40

impressive thing about Bonex thus far? We

21:43

interrupt all the talk about Jaden Daniels

21:45

for offensive rookie of the year for

21:47

NFL MVP with this public service announcement

21:50

about Bonex. Do you realize this year

21:52

that through week 11, Jayden Daniels has

21:54

thrown for 2338 yards and Bonex has

21:56

thrown for 2275? So Jayden Daniels has

21:59

thrown for exactly 63 more yards than

22:01

Bonex has run for 295. So he's

22:03

run for 187. more yards than bonyx.

22:06

That's quite a lot. Jayden Daniels has

22:08

accounted this season for 14 total touchdowns.

22:10

You know how many bonyx is accounted

22:13

for? 19. 19. Jayden Daniels is 7

22:15

and 4. Bowkes is 6 and 5.

22:17

Could have easily been 7 and 4,

22:19

but he's 6 and 5. And the

22:22

point being is that as good as

22:24

Jayden Daniels has been, Bow Knicks is

22:26

coming up the rear right now. and

22:29

Bonix has become a weapon and a

22:31

force. And by the way, think of

22:33

the AFC West now, wow, the chiefs

22:35

and Andy Reed and Patrick Mahomes and

22:38

Travis Kelsey, the chargers with Jim Harball,

22:40

the Broncos with Sean Payton and Bonix

22:42

coming up here, Bonix's numbers are great.

22:45

And he's a rookie and he looks

22:47

like he's getting better right now. And

22:49

the Broncos have been... Such a flat

22:51

team for the last seven eight years.

22:54

and they haven't made any playoff runs

22:56

and as somebody used to cover that

22:58

team and knows that region well like

23:01

there could be few things in sports

23:03

more devastating to a region than the

23:05

Broncos being awful which is what they've

23:08

been. But Bonex has come in and

23:10

given them a reason to hope he

23:12

has put up numbers that are comparable

23:14

right now to Jaden Daniels. He has

23:17

pushed himself right into the conversation for

23:19

the offensive rookie of the year and

23:21

I might say after the Broncos made

23:24

any number of quarterback missteps and turned

23:26

to any number of quarterbacks who didn't

23:28

get the job done, it looks like

23:30

for now that they finally have landed

23:33

on a quarterback who can get this

23:35

team back to the playoffs and make

23:37

the Broncos relevant. And again, and that's

23:40

why it was the perfect time this

23:42

week to go back to the guy

23:44

that really... made the Broncos the franchise

23:46

that they are today a guy that

23:49

I covered for almost the entirety of

23:51

his career I missed the first five

23:53

years but it was great to cover

23:56

him get to know him he moved

23:58

on to the Broncos for an office

24:00

he's in the pro football hall of

24:02

fame he's as good a quarterback as

24:05

there ever was and it has been

24:07

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24:09

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24:12

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24:14

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25:18

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25:20

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25:23

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25:25

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25:27

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25:30

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25:46

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25:48

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25:52

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25:55

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25:57

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26:02

for more information on dupatrons contracture. John,

26:04

how are we doing? We're doing great

26:06

and you did really good there. You

26:08

got the name. You got the dupatrons

26:11

down. That's good. Well, first of all,

26:13

how is your condition doing? How are

26:15

you doing with that? He's actually doing,

26:18

it's doing great. I had a, I

26:20

had an episode with it about five

26:22

years ago when actually went to, you

26:24

know, I was still working for the

26:27

Broncos and I actually went and saw

26:29

Steve Antonopoulos, our trainer and showed him

26:31

the condition that was developing and I

26:34

had no idea what it was. And

26:36

so he sent me to a hand

26:38

specialist over at Stedman Hawkins and went

26:41

over there. And, you know, and the

26:43

thing is about the dupentrons is not

26:45

knowing what it was, you know, anytime

26:47

you could stop, I couldn't put my

26:50

hand flat on a, on a, right.

26:52

And so I knew there was something

26:54

going on. trying to play some cats

26:57

with Augie my grandson. I couldn't put

26:59

my could get my hand on the

27:01

football like I like getting it on

27:03

there. So that's kind of that started

27:06

my journey and you know it's been

27:08

it's been great for the last five

27:10

years. I had the I had the

27:13

procedure done. like I said five years

27:15

ago when it was non-surgical I did

27:17

not want to have to go through

27:19

another surgery having experienced so many surgeries

27:22

playing football that I did not want

27:24

to have another surgery and so it

27:26

ended up being great and you know

27:29

I still have actually have another cord

27:31

in my hand that's coming back and

27:33

so it's something as you said that

27:35

does not does not cure it's not

27:38

curable but you can't get other episodes

27:40

of it which I do have a

27:42

cord in the middle my hand now

27:45

but we'll have no qualms about going

27:47

back and then seeing the hand doctor

27:49

again and having to explore the the

27:52

probably getting maybe getting this didn't it

27:54

done again to my the quarter my

27:56

my middle finger do you know what

27:58

caused all this like did this come

28:01

genetically from playing football no but it's

28:03

they say it is genetic it's northern

28:05

European so if you have northern European

28:08

descent they also call it to Vikings

28:10

disease and so uh We do have

28:12

some of that in my family. My

28:14

mom's side has Norwegian on her side,

28:17

so maybe that's where it came from.

28:19

But, you know, it's something that, you

28:21

know, it's amazing as many things as

28:24

I've talked about in my life. This

28:26

experience and the dupe trends, I've had

28:28

more people come up and ask me

28:30

about it. and any other thing I've

28:33

done. And so, really, it's been gratifying

28:35

to help people understand kind of what

28:37

it is and have them go see

28:40

their hand doctor to see if there

28:42

are non, a non-surgical option for them.

28:44

And so, unfortunately, the non-surgical option will

28:47

work for me. What is it that

28:49

people come up and ask you about

28:51

when it comes to due patrance? Well,

28:53

they come up and show me my

28:56

hand, their hands, right? So it's in

28:58

that I show my hand. And so

29:00

it's like, yeah, wow, that's the same

29:03

thing. And so it's an interesting conversation,

29:05

but it is amazing. I think we

29:07

did this probably four or five years

29:09

ago, the commercial four or five years

29:12

ago, and I'm still, I actually heard

29:14

two people come up to me yesterday

29:16

and ask me about it. So I

29:19

get a lot of conversation on it.

29:21

I'm glad that it can help people

29:23

understand that there is a non-surgical way

29:25

to go about the stupid trends and

29:28

not have to go. I've heard the

29:30

surgery is pretty intense and so this

29:32

is a way not to have to

29:35

have to have surgery. Now you mentioned

29:37

a grandson, how many grandchildren are you

29:39

up to these days, John? Well, we

29:41

just had our 10th. My youngest daughter

29:44

had her third child about a month

29:46

ago. So we now have 10 under

29:48

10. You have 10 grandchildren? 10 under

29:51

10. Yeah. So it's Christmas and Easter

29:53

and all the holidays are quite the

29:55

events these days. So it's really it's

29:58

a treat. What is the best part

30:00

about John Hill I can't like that

30:02

is so hard for me to wrap

30:04

my mind around that John Hill is

30:07

the grandfather of 10 grandchildren like that

30:09

is unbelievable That's the start of the

30:11

day John right there. I know yeah,

30:14

I will say there's nothing better than

30:16

being a grandparent because you get to

30:18

spoil them and you don't have to

30:20

discipline them and if they start crying

30:23

you give them back to mom so

30:25

it is it is a tremendous being

30:27

able to be a grandfather of 10.

30:30

Let me ask a question. Do you

30:32

ever think of your parents when you're

30:34

spending time with your grandchildren and how

30:36

much they would have enjoyed? They're great.

30:39

grandchildren? I do, I do, I do.

30:41

I wish they all, because we talk

30:43

about my mom and dad quite a

30:46

bit, which they had a chance to

30:48

experience and get them to know a

30:50

little bit, but, you know, it makes

30:52

me appreciate my parents a little bit

30:55

more than once, you know, they were

30:57

great parents and, you know, I was

30:59

lucky to have them as my parents,

31:02

and so hopefully I can be that

31:04

the same to my kids and even

31:06

be a better grandparent. Right. Thank you.

31:09

The Denver Broncos right now. Bow Knicks

31:11

is lighting it up John. He becomes

31:13

the first quarterback to start as a

31:15

rookie since a guy by the name

31:18

of John Elway. I'm curious to know

31:20

if you've had the chance to watch

31:22

him much and what you think of

31:25

Bownick so far. You know, I have

31:27

had a chance to watch him. I

31:29

think that I know Sean was really

31:31

excited about him after the draft and

31:34

when they drafted him, Sean was about

31:36

him. And I think it's a great

31:38

combination of a couple things. Number one,

31:41

Bodenix, his maturity level, his skill level,

31:43

you know, his experience that he had

31:45

in college football. I think he started

31:47

over 60 games in college and so

31:50

I think the experience level that he

31:52

got was tremendous. But I also think

31:54

and I've always I've always been a

31:57

someone that really believes in these young

31:59

quarterbacks having a coach that can walk

32:01

him through that first year. And that's

32:03

where I think. A lot of the

32:06

credit goes to Sean, to Sean and

32:08

that staff of how they, the situations

32:10

they put him in. Number one, the

32:13

Broncos are playing tremendous defense, which I

32:15

think is a little bit surprising, but

32:17

they've been tremendous on defense. So therefore,

32:20

you know, they haven't put them in

32:22

situations offensively where they've had to put

32:24

the whole burden on both shoulders. They've

32:26

been able to run the football. play

32:29

action off and keep bow in situations

32:31

that he can handle and as you

32:33

and you know as you watch since

32:36

the season goes on, Sean keeps giving

32:38

him more and more each week because

32:40

he gets handle more. So I think

32:42

it's a great combination of coaching on

32:45

Sean's part and his staff, as well

32:47

as, you know, both maturity level, experience

32:49

level, the word, you know, he's done

32:52

a tremendous job and it's exciting to

32:54

see the Broncos playing the way they're

32:56

playing. Playing quarterback in the NFL is

32:58

not easy. Playing quarterback in the NFL

33:01

is a rookie in the NFL is

33:03

a rookie in Denver is really not

33:05

easy. I'm curious to know how much

33:08

interaction if any. you've had with Bonix.

33:10

You know, I have not had a

33:12

lot of interaction. I've kind of, since

33:14

I've retired, I've kind of enjoyed the

33:17

good life and been traveling a little

33:19

bit, so I haven't had a chance

33:21

to really get over and spend a

33:24

lot of time with Bo. But I

33:26

think, you know, he's in great hands

33:28

and it's fun to watch, like I

33:31

said, it's fun to watch him work,

33:33

it's fun to watch Sean, put him

33:35

in the situations, put him in the

33:37

You know, even though you can get

33:40

by without the movement, it shares an

33:42

added bonus to be able to move

33:44

around, extend plays like Bo's been able

33:47

to do. So, you know, I think,

33:49

you know, the sky is the few,

33:51

you know, sky is the limit for

33:53

him. And I think that, you know,

33:56

he's just going to continue to get

33:58

better and better the more comfortable he

34:00

gets. So have you ever met Bo

34:03

next? No. ever spoken to Bonix? I

34:05

have not. I went to, you know,

34:07

I went to OTAs and was out

34:09

there one time and obviously he was

34:12

getting tugging to me in a bunch

34:14

of different directions so I didn't get

34:16

a chance to say a lot to

34:19

him but I look forward to the

34:21

time I do. That's amazing like a

34:23

guy you who have meant so much

34:26

to that franchise and have so much

34:28

experience in that job and that like

34:30

that's amazing to me that somebody is

34:32

well prepared and as studious and diligent

34:35

as bonix hasn't had the occasion to

34:37

even speak that's amazing to me. Well

34:39

yeah and I think that you know

34:42

there's another thing too is that you

34:44

know he's gonna get a bunch of

34:46

advice going into this first year right

34:48

and I didn't If I could help

34:51

him anyway, I'd like to, but obviously

34:53

he's getting great tutelage now with the

34:55

coaching he's got in the situations he's

34:58

in. So I look forward to meeting

35:00

him. But like I said, it's probably

35:02

more my fault than anything else because

35:04

once I retire, again from football, it's

35:07

kind of been nice to kind of

35:09

get away from it. And I haven't

35:11

had a chance to get over there

35:14

to meet him. You mentioned some of

35:16

these young quarterbacks, how important it is

35:18

to be in the right spot with

35:20

the right coaching. What are your thoughts

35:23

when you watch some of these other

35:25

rookie quarterbacks who are out there and

35:27

you've certainly assessed enough of these quarterbacks

35:30

to have an idea of how they

35:32

aren't doing but when you look at

35:34

like Caleb Williams and Jayden Daniels and

35:37

Drake May and some of these other

35:39

guys what are your thoughts there John?

35:41

Well you know I'll say this animus

35:43

I've always believed that you know as

35:46

I said earlier that the quarterback and

35:48

coach relationship is so important especially as

35:50

a young one now. And I think

35:53

one of the things that, you know,

35:55

when these young guys come out in

35:57

their top five picks or top 10

35:59

picks, the expectation level is very high

36:02

in the NFL. They expect immediate results

36:04

right now. And I think that, you

36:06

know, a lot of times they're not

36:09

going to very good football teams. And

36:11

so therefore, there's a lot put on

36:13

their shoulders. And so to try to

36:15

keep them out of that situation as

36:18

Sean has done. But and I think

36:20

the other thing too is You know,

36:22

these guys are great athletes. They've been

36:25

great players through high school to college.

36:27

They don't get, they don't, they're not

36:29

a top five pick unless they've been

36:31

good at every level up to this

36:34

point in time. And I think once

36:36

you get into the, the NFL, now

36:38

you get into the media attention and

36:41

you get into those type things to

36:43

where all of a sudden there's negative

36:45

press. They're not used to having the

36:48

negative press. And I think that's what

36:50

happened to these young guys is the

36:52

fact that they get that they get

36:54

that negative press. And sometimes at point,

36:57

you know, even have with me and

36:59

my career, you know, the world starts

37:01

caving in on a little bit. And

37:04

I think to be able to dig

37:06

out of that, not lose their confidence,

37:08

which is the key thing, and take

37:10

base. steps because that's what it takes

37:13

to be in the NFL. You know,

37:15

other than the success of Bowes having,

37:17

which has been better each week, you

37:20

know, it takes time. It takes time

37:22

to adjust to this, to the NFL

37:24

from college football. Everybody's a great player.

37:26

And so, you know, it takes time.

37:29

And I think that patience is key

37:31

with young quarterbacks. You and I have

37:33

talked about this before. It's amazing for

37:36

as much scrutiny as you were under

37:38

during your time as a quarterback in

37:40

the National Football League. You played before

37:42

social media was created. What do you

37:45

think it would have been like to

37:47

play in this day and age where

37:49

everything is out there that you do?

37:52

Right? Well, exactly. And I think that,

37:54

you know, it's the same old thing.

37:56

It was like, you know, when things

37:59

are a little bit tough, that the

38:01

last thing you want to do is

38:03

pick up a newspaper. to where, and

38:05

I always say this too, about social

38:08

media, those are the guys that used

38:10

to wait three hours to get on

38:12

top radio. And now that now it's

38:15

instant. So those comments can be seen

38:17

instantly. And I think that, you know,

38:19

the one advice I would have for

38:21

any of those young guys is to

38:24

stay off social media and stay out

38:26

of that because it's, you know, very

38:28

rarely is very positive. It's a lot

38:31

more negativity than there is positively. So

38:33

I think for me it would be

38:35

it's the same thing. When things were

38:37

tough, I didn't pick up a newspaper

38:40

or turn on a TV. Just continue

38:42

to go about your business and dig

38:44

yourself out of that hole. And that

38:47

would be tougher than ever in this

38:49

day and age. I always remember the

38:51

image, honestly. Walking into the dining hall.

38:53

in really Colorado every single summer of

38:56

breakfast. You were one of the last

38:58

guys at breakfast every single morning sitting

39:00

there reading a newspaper by yourself sometimes

39:03

right every morning reading the newspaper John

39:05

I remember that was that was when

39:07

they still thought it was pretty good

39:10

we were still a training camp I

39:12

didn't get to that first start yet

39:14

so well wasn't your first start where

39:16

you lined up behind the guard in

39:19

San Diego was that your first start?

39:21

No, that was probably my 10th start.

39:23

Yeah, so what happened? What do you

39:26

remember about that? We were in a

39:28

two-minute drill so therefore they moved the

39:30

ball and my excuse is they moved

39:32

the ball on me so But I

39:35

tell you the person that wasn't most

39:37

shocked was the guard when I put

39:39

my hands under the guard He was

39:42

like what that turned around what the

39:44

heck you doing? Move one over so

39:46

Right and can you imagine if that

39:48

were to happen in today's day and

39:51

age like people would a Oh he's

39:53

doing, he's got no idea what's going

39:55

on out there. No idea, he doesn't

39:58

even know where the center is, but

40:00

yeah. Exactly, same kind of thing. Sticking

40:02

in the AFC West, for years when

40:05

you played quarterback for the Broncos, I

40:07

always remember everybody in San Diego at

40:09

the time, Oakland or Los Angeles, wherever

40:11

the Raiders were playing, where Kansas City's

40:14

talking about what a miserable experience it

40:16

was to have you in the division

40:18

and to basically dim their chances of

40:21

winning the division every single year. What

40:23

do you think when you watch Patrick

40:25

Mahomes play today John and what stands

40:27

out about his game? Well, you know,

40:30

he's got all the tools. I think

40:32

he's a great, you know, number one,

40:34

I think he's a great competitor. I

40:37

think that's what makes him is that

40:39

the fact that to play is consistent

40:41

week in and week out at the

40:43

level that he does. means he's a

40:46

great competitor. And I think, you know,

40:48

and I'll go back to the same

40:50

thing too, I think Andy Reed is

40:53

one of the most unheralded head coach

40:55

and doesn't get mentioned with the greatest

40:57

coaches of all time because of the

40:59

success he's had with Patrick, how he's

41:02

handled Patrick, but also the success he

41:04

had when he was in Philadelphia too.

41:06

I mean, he got to one Super

41:09

Bowl, got the four straight NFC championship

41:11

games and so. I think Andy Reed

41:13

is a tremendous coach. He hires tremendous

41:16

coaches underneath him. And so, but getting

41:18

back to Patrick, I think that, you

41:20

know, he's got all the tools, he's

41:22

athletic, can move around, make all the

41:25

throws, all the arm angles, has a

41:27

six cents of finding the open guy

41:29

when he does get out and move

41:32

around and find somebody, usually it's Kelsey,

41:34

but, and Kelsey does a heck of

41:36

a job, getting open for him. You

41:38

know, it does make the AFC West

41:41

that horrible because, you know, everybody knows

41:43

they're going to have to go through

41:45

Kansas City. And, uh, and he knows,

41:48

and, you know, he's going to be

41:50

there a long, long time. So we

41:52

got to figure out a way to

41:54

be able to beat him. You were

41:57

in Denver's front office when Patrick was

41:59

coming out in the draft, correct? You

42:01

remember studying film with him, evaluating him,

42:04

and even consider drafting him, maybe the

42:06

year ahead of that. before that or

42:08

whatnot. So we weren't in the quarterback

42:10

market, but you know, really looked at

42:13

Patrick, we evaluated him and obviously, Andy

42:15

saw a lot in him and knew

42:17

what he could do with him. And

42:20

I think that, again, I go back

42:22

to the same thing as that quarterback

42:24

or that coach that could put that

42:27

quarterback in situations that He does best

42:29

that he's best at and I think

42:31

you know Andy's molded that offense around

42:33

Patrick and take full advantage of what

42:36

you know what his abilities are. You've

42:38

now brought up the importance of coaching

42:40

a couple different times there. Our friend

42:43

Mike Shanahan is up for the pro

42:45

football hall of fame in the coming

42:47

weeks. What would you say to the

42:49

voters out there about why Mike Shanahan

42:52

belongs in the pro football hall of

42:54

fame? Well, I would say that, you

42:56

know, obviously Mike, you know, my father

42:59

was a coach and, you know, the

43:01

guy that I leaned on the most,

43:03

but the next guy that had the

43:05

most influence on my career was Mike

43:08

Shannon, not only as a head coach

43:10

when we're able to win two championships,

43:12

but also when he came in in

43:15

in 1984 and was a quarterback coach

43:17

and then became the offensive coordinator before

43:19

he went to be the Raiders head

43:21

coach and then come back a little

43:24

bit. But I think that when you

43:26

look at the game at the influence

43:28

that Mike Shannon had, you know it

43:31

started obviously with Bill Walsh and then

43:33

when Mike went to San Francisco's the

43:35

offensive coordinator I believe in 91 or

43:38

92 you know learn that offense inside

43:40

and out and then when he came

43:42

back to the Broncos as the head

43:44

coach, what he did to transform that

43:47

offense. I think everybody, when you talk

43:49

about it, everyone says whether it's West

43:51

Coast base or not, 90% of those

43:54

things are not West Coast based offenses.

43:56

But I think what, where I look

43:58

at Mike is I look at what

44:00

he did to that offense, what he

44:03

did with it formationally, how to figure

44:05

out what defenses were doing before the

44:07

ball was snapped by putting people in

44:10

different, different areas. split the tied ends

44:12

out going in the slot and those

44:14

type things to work. You made the

44:16

defense commit what they show what they're

44:19

going to do defensively. And so in

44:21

the different things he did with the

44:23

running game, you know, with the zone

44:26

game and how he advanced that system,

44:28

I think is huge because everybody's doing

44:30

it. You see it with Kyle. You

44:32

see it with McVeigh. All those guys

44:35

that have run those offense that are

44:37

really bright off defensively. Most of those

44:39

guys have come from Mike's tree. And

44:42

because I know McVeigh was with Mike

44:44

in Washington, but you look at Mike's

44:46

coaching tree, I think is unparalleled. And

44:49

I think, you know, you go right

44:51

back to that. He's won two championships.

44:53

He got back to an AFC championship

44:55

with the Broncos and that's some success

44:58

in Washington. So, you know, I just

45:00

think his ability to offensively scheme people

45:02

up is tremendous. Plus having him as

45:05

a quarterback coach and the way that

45:07

he handles players. You know, he's He's

45:09

one that puts pressure on players and

45:11

raises the expectations of what we can

45:14

do as a team, not what the

45:16

other team is doing, but as long

45:18

as we play the way we're capable

45:21

of playing, we can beat everybody. And

45:23

I think that he instilled that confidence

45:25

in us, especially my last two years

45:27

when we had two really good football

45:30

teams. We're able to win that championship.

45:32

And so, you know, Mike is something

45:34

that somebody that I wholeheartedly believe deserves

45:37

to be in that hall of fame.

45:39

And I hope it's this year. to

45:41

me. Yeah, I agree. I agree. I

45:44

agree. Hey, John, I want to thank

45:46

you very much for the time. It

45:48

is always a pleasure. When they asked

45:50

me, they said, you want to come

45:53

on. to talk to John about his

45:55

DC. I want to talk to John

45:57

any time he's offered up to me.

46:00

Like any time John's, of course. Well,

46:02

I tell you what, I was happy

46:04

to see you with my first interview

46:06

too, because it's always good to see

46:09

you and get a chance to talk

46:11

to you, and plus, you know, also

46:13

talk about the Broncos and what they're

46:16

doing, because I'm excited to see you

46:18

and get a chance to talk to

46:20

you, and plus, you know, I honestly

46:22

I got it down right so we

46:25

are definitely and by the way the

46:27

same goes if you're in New York

46:29

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46:32

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46:34

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46:36

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46:38

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46:41

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47:36

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47:38

he is neither spoken with nor

47:40

met bonyx. Like that is incredible

47:42

to me that... John Elway, who's

47:44

meant so much of that franchise,

47:46

has never met or spoken with

47:48

Bonix. Like, if I were Bonix,

47:50

John Elle would be one of

47:52

the first guys that I would

47:54

reach out to. Or maybe, I

47:56

guess you'd wait to have John

47:58

Elway reach out to him, and

48:00

John's busy being the grandfather of

48:02

10. which is also amazing to

48:04

me. That blows my mind. 10

48:07

grandkids, like, how could John L.A.,

48:09

who I've known since the early

48:11

part of his career, have 10

48:13

grandchildren, but he does, and it's

48:15

amazing, and it's incredible. All right,

48:17

we also talked about Jim Harbaugh

48:19

in the six-pack tie, and starting

48:21

on Friday night, four p.m. we

48:23

are going to have a Harbaugh

48:25

special leading up to the Monday

48:27

night match up between Jim and

48:29

John Harbaugh on Monday night football

48:31

the Ravens play at the Chargers

48:33

and back at the owners meetings

48:35

in March we sat down with

48:38

Jim and John Harbaugh and then

48:40

I went out to their families

48:42

home with Jack and Jackie Harbaugh

48:44

their parents last month spent a

48:46

day with them and we put

48:48

together basically I would say it's

48:50

like three-part series about the horrible

48:52

family history and the truth of

48:54

the matter is there's so much

48:56

good stuff that it couldn't even

48:58

all fit in this show but

49:00

they did a great job putting

49:02

this together and getting it all

49:04

ready for air this week on

49:07

ESPN and The director, Sandarvis Duffy,

49:09

did an unbelievable job. The executive

49:11

producers, Craig Lazarus, Jose Morales, Greg

49:13

Jewell, tremendous job. A lot of

49:15

people put a lot of time

49:17

into this. And the horrible family

49:19

was incredibly cooperative. And it was

49:21

so good, Ty, that we're going

49:23

to take the audio of the

49:25

Jim and John interview and play

49:27

the full sound of Jim and

49:29

John. And this spot next week

49:31

leading up to Thanksgiving, what's better

49:33

than family food and football and

49:35

the harbor is all about family

49:38

and football. So we're going to

49:40

play Jim and John in their

49:42

entirety, the sound. Next week in

49:44

this spot on this podcast, but

49:46

the special will run this week

49:48

on an ESPN to and then

49:50

there will be pieces that run

49:52

on Sunday countdown on ESPN and

49:54

Monday night countdown leading into the

49:56

Monday night matchup between John and

49:58

Jim Harbaugh and Thai. They are

50:00

awesome. Yeah, I don't doubt it,

50:02

chef. You've kind of... talked about

50:04

how great they were and how

50:06

excited you are for that and

50:09

what a perfect time to do

50:11

it you know something to look

50:13

forward to anyone who's traveling on

50:15

Thanksgiving or anything like that you

50:17

know you don't have a TV

50:19

or anything you got to keep

50:21

your eyes on the road so

50:23

I'll definitely be dialed in and

50:25

locked into that and I mean

50:27

we is the best time of

50:29

year we we kind of poked

50:31

fun at it at the at

50:33

the start of the show but

50:35

full slate of games on Sunday

50:37

three more games on Thursday a

50:40

game on Friday a game on

50:42

Friday I'm i'm i'm i'm i'm

50:44

i'm i'm i'm i'm i'm i'm

50:46

i'm jacked up for this jacked

50:48

up for this jacked up for

50:50

this jacked up for this jacked

50:52

up for this holiday week i'm

50:54

jacked up for this holiday week.

50:56

Yeah, and by the way, I

50:58

should also mention that that Harbaw

51:00

special will run and live on

51:02

YouTube, which Pat recommended. Good call.

51:04

It will be on ESPM Plus

51:06

in perpetuity. So if you want

51:09

to find the full 30 minute

51:11

Harbaw special, it'll be on ESPM

51:13

Plus as well. It'll be there

51:15

for the taking. And this week's

51:17

game of the week is the

51:19

Monday night matchup between the Ravens

51:21

and Chargers. There are some good

51:23

matchups this weekend, but how could

51:25

you pick... any other matchup other

51:27

than the Ravens John Harbaugh going

51:29

up against Jim Harbaugh the man

51:31

he once shared a bedroom with

51:33

for 15 plus years the brothers

51:35

square off it's the third time

51:37

third game between John Harbaugh and

51:40

Jim Harbaugh the only brothers to

51:42

ever meet as NFL head coaches

51:44

John is two and oh versus

51:46

Jim including a win in Super

51:48

Bowl 47 This will be the

51:50

third time that the Horrible Brothers

51:52

meet up in the NFL. It'll

51:54

be on Monday Night Football and

51:56

obviously the audio will be on

51:58

the Adam Schefter podcast. Next week

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live. All right. We want to thank

52:14

our guest today the great John

52:16

Elway who always has an open invite

52:18

to appear on this podcast any time

52:20

he wants open invite to John and

52:22

really anybody that I interacted with back

52:24

in my Denver days. I want to

52:27

thank you Tashmiffer doing an

52:29

outstanding job, quarterbacking another weekly

52:31

six-pack. I want to thank my

52:33

great producers Christina Buswell, Sarah Abbott,

52:36

Dan Stanzik, and you the listener

52:38

for tuning into another. Adam Shefter

52:40

Podcast. We'll be back in this

52:43

spot next week with the full

52:45

audio of Jim and John Harbaugh

52:48

who meet Monday night in Los

52:50

Angeles Brothers Squaring Off yet again,

52:52

followed by the audio here

52:54

on Tuesday at the Adam Shefter

52:57

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52:59

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