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back to the Adam Schefter podcast it

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is Thanksgiving week

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that is remarkable to me.

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That is the unofficial kickoff

0:33

of the holiday season the

0:35

holidays have arrived Along

0:38

with a huge Thanksgiving Day

0:40

of football week 13 action, but

0:43

we are gonna get started today By

0:46

looking back at the

0:48

interview that we did this offseason

0:50

with the Harbaugh brothers ESPN Has

0:53

a special out on ESPN plus it's

0:56

on YouTube You can watch the

0:58

20-minute special that our

1:01

great producers and Darvish San

1:03

Darvish Duffy Greg Jewell

1:05

Jose Morales They put together

1:07

this great work of the Harbaugh brothers

1:09

But that was kind of

1:11

limited in what we saw

1:14

and heard of them So we thought

1:17

we would take basically the entirety

1:20

of the Harbaugh brother interviews With

1:23

John and Jim and put

1:25

it together here so that

1:27

everybody could hear Everything they

1:29

had to say and I will say they

1:31

were outstanding. There were some stories

1:33

that were truly tremendous We

1:36

also at some point will

1:38

do the same thing with the two-hour interview

1:40

that we did with Jackharbaugh

1:43

now if one of the Harbaugh brothers can make it to the

1:46

Super Bowl maybe we'll play Jack

1:48

Harbaugh in its entirety then if

1:50

one of the Harbaugh brothers

1:52

cannot make it then maybe we'll play Jack

1:55

Harbaugh for Father's Day But

1:57

Jack Harbaugh will be coming shortly

1:59

after after his two sons, John

2:01

and Jim Harbaugh, who are here

2:04

today. But before we

2:06

get to the Harbaugh brothers and

2:08

Thanksgiving, of course we get to

2:10

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2:12

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Chef D, it is. I mean, we talked

2:33

about this last week. I cannot believe Thanksgiving

2:35

is on Thursday. I mean, it feels like

2:37

week one was just the other day and

2:39

now it's, you know, getting prepped, all the

2:41

food and everything and trying to stay on

2:43

top of everything else with a new baby.

2:46

It's crazy. Time waits for no one. And

2:49

I'll tell you this, I always say this,

2:51

Ty. When we get to Thanksgiving, that's

2:54

where the NFL season takes off in

2:56

my mind. It really moves from that

2:58

point. To me, there are some slow

3:00

weeks leading up to Thanksgiving. It feels

3:02

like the lull of the NFL season.

3:05

You're past the trade deadline. You're not

3:07

to the full scale hunting season of

3:09

head coaches and general managers. You're not

3:11

in the real playoff chase. But after

3:14

Thanksgiving, it goes real

3:16

quick. It gets

3:18

real meaningful real quick. And we're at that

3:21

point of the schedule where right

3:23

now, look, we're gonna tape the Super

3:25

Bowl podcast here in a couple of months. I'll say, can

3:29

you believe this? It was just Thanksgiving. It was

3:31

just Thanksgiving and we snap our eyes and it's

3:33

the Super Bowl. That's how quick it's gonna go

3:35

from here to the first week in

3:37

February in New Orleans. And it

3:39

feels like teams have really declared themselves already.

3:42

We have the haves, we have the have

3:44

nots. With that in mind,

3:46

let's get to topic number one of the six

3:48

pack. Everyone wants to talk about the Lions and

3:50

rightfully so with how dominant and how great they've

3:52

been. But after Sunday

3:54

night, this Eagles team, Shefty, I think

3:56

they're a team everyone should be very,

3:59

very afraid of. Saquon

4:01

Barkley is just unbelievable. He's unbelievable. What what does

4:03

he meant? You know, I mean, I don't know

4:06

how many superlatives you can get. But what does

4:08

he meant to the Eagles? Well, we talk about

4:10

the Eagles and Saquon Barkley, right? When we were

4:12

doing SportsCenter on Monday,

4:15

it's doing it with Herm Edwards and Damien Woody.

4:17

And Herm said he didn't know if

4:20

the Eagles were as good as the Lions right

4:22

now, but they were in the same zip code.

4:24

And I said the Lions are the three one

4:26

three. That's Detroit. The Eagles

4:28

right now are like five one seven

4:30

in Lansing because they're coming up real

4:32

close on the Lions. And if

4:35

you look at the numbers, the

4:37

way it's gone, they've really

4:39

outperformed Detroit in terms of out gaining,

4:41

outscoring their opponents. And the Eagles seem

4:43

to be getting better. They're

4:46

doing the reverse Eagles thing of last

4:48

year. Last year, they got worse as

4:50

the year went on. This year, they're

4:52

getting better as the year goes on.

4:54

And the key is Saquon Barkley. I

4:56

love all these people. Saquon Barkley MVP.

5:00

Let's say this Saquon Barkley was the MVP of

5:02

week 12. That's what he was. Have

5:04

we heard his name at all as MVP

5:07

of this year until this past? No, I

5:10

let me say this. I have him on one of

5:12

my fancy teams. He's been unbelievable. Love the guy. But

5:15

there have been so many weeks where Jalen

5:17

Hertz is carrying it in from

5:19

the one because Saquon was put

5:21

down at the one I think about

5:23

10 times this year. If he had

5:25

scored all those touchdowns, we would be

5:27

talking about him as MVP. But what

5:29

happens is he does so

5:32

much work. Oftentimes it's stopped

5:34

at the one. And Jalen Hertz gets the

5:36

glory of the touchdown, which I think minimizes

5:39

some of this MVP talk. Yes,

5:41

Saquon Barkley is a worthwhile candidate.

5:44

And yes, if he gets over 2,000

5:47

yards, he will become

5:49

more a part of the conversation. But just

5:51

because he gets over 2,000 yards doesn't mean

5:53

he's going to be MVP. Derek Henry went

5:55

over 2,000 yards. He didn't

5:58

get any MVP consideration, but the. The

6:00

longer this goes on and the more

6:02

they win, the more we will

6:04

talk about Saquon Barkley. And here's the thing I want

6:06

to leave you with on Saquon Barkley. When

6:09

I went with always the mentalist to Foxborough

6:11

this summer to record with the Philadelphia Eagles,

6:13

we walked into our hotel late

6:15

one night before his performance the

6:18

next morning. And we're standing around with some

6:20

of the offensive linemen, a couple of tight ends.

6:22

And I said, as I like to say to people, give

6:25

me something that's opening your eyes at training camp, anything.

6:28

And the one thing that the offensive linemen told me

6:30

that time in August, Saquon

6:33

Barkley is better than we even

6:35

realized. Now that is

6:37

saying something because we all knew that Saquon

6:40

was good. But when I've got

6:42

the Eagles offensive line in August telling me he's

6:44

better than we thought, that

6:46

got my attention. And that's why I used

6:49

the fifth overall pick in one of my

6:51

fancy drafts on Saquon Barkley tie because I

6:53

put my faith in the Eagles offensive line

6:56

and the Eagles offensive line was right and knew

6:58

what it was talking about. And

7:01

obviously you look like a genius today

7:03

after doing that. But I think everyone

7:05

knew this was Saquon is

7:07

obviously unbelievable. He has been since he was at

7:09

Penn State, but I think it was, hey, can

7:11

this guy stay healthy? He's kind of been marred

7:13

by injuries his entire career. We always knew he

7:15

was a home run hitter. So I think everyone

7:17

knew when you go to Philadelphia with that offensive

7:19

line, with the way they like to play, there's

7:22

a chance this is a match made in heaven.

7:24

But you mentioned it. I don't think anyone saw,

7:26

hey, this guy is going to maybe run for

7:28

2000 yards this year. I mean, it's

7:30

just it's remarkable. And this Eagles team, you know,

7:32

I mean, last year, obviously they start 10 and

7:34

one, but this Eagles team, the

7:36

way they run the football, like this reminds me

7:39

of the Eagles team that went to the Super

7:41

Bowl a couple of years ago with Miles Sanders.

7:43

And Miles Sanders is a great player, obviously, but

7:45

he's not Saquon Barkley. So we'll see. I think

7:48

if you're an Eagles fan, you just you keep

7:50

saying just please, Saquon, just stay healthy, just stay

7:52

healthy. And we'll have a chance. Another

7:55

guy that, you know, former

7:57

giant and topic number two.

8:00

of the six pack that not as many

8:02

people are talking about. I have a personal

8:04

affinity for him because he does play for

8:06

the Packers. But Xavier McKinney,

8:09

Shifty, I mean, he is. He has

8:11

been another guy who's just unbelievable. And

8:14

I mean, how did the Giants let both these

8:16

guys get away? Well, here's the amazing part about

8:18

Xavier McKinney. I don't think this has been mentioned.

8:20

And I just thought of it just now. When

8:24

he was becoming a free agent, there

8:26

was conversation about whether or not they

8:28

should tag him, probably more so than

8:30

whether or not they should tag Saquon

8:32

Barkley. They were never going to tag

8:34

Saquon Barkley. I don't believe this past

8:36

offseason. Xavier McKinney was

8:39

a legitimate conversation about whether

8:41

to tag him. And

8:43

the other part that's interesting is

8:46

that one of the reasons that

8:48

they were going to tag him

8:51

or considered tagging him was

8:53

because there was some concern within

8:56

the organization that

8:59

Xavier McKinney would

9:01

wind up as a Philadelphia eagle.

9:04

There were people who thought that Xavier McKinney was going

9:06

to be an eagle there. Now,

9:09

that's not what happened. They didn't tag

9:11

him. And

9:13

he wound up not going to Philadelphia and

9:15

he wound up going to Green Bay. And

9:18

now we've got Saquon Barkley tearing

9:20

it up in Philadelphia. And Xavier

9:22

McKinney tied for the league lead

9:25

in interceptions with seven making plays

9:27

all the time for the Green

9:29

Bay Packers, lighting it up on

9:31

defense and being the player that

9:36

is worthy of what the Giants considered

9:38

giving a franchise tag to. They didn't

9:40

do it. And again, I

9:42

just think back to that now, it came back to

9:44

me as we're recording this. The

9:47

Giants were concerned that Xavier McKinney was going to show up

9:49

with the Eagles. Can you imagine the Eagles had gotten Barkley

9:52

and McKinney and McKinney? No, but they

9:54

didn't even make the run. They

9:57

allocated their resources elsewhere. And

10:00

now McKinney has become. Unbelievable

10:02

on Green Bay's defense, and we'll get to watch

10:04

him on Thanksgiving night against

10:07

the Miami Dolphins. But Xavier McKinney is

10:09

keying that defense. And one of the

10:12

big factors why that defense is significantly

10:14

improved and why the Packers are going

10:16

to be a playoff team this year

10:19

could have been an eagle. Wasn't. Yeah,

10:22

no question. I mean, the Packers, you know,

10:24

like they have a lot of guy, a

10:26

lot of first round picks, obviously on that

10:28

defense, but he has come in and kind

10:30

of single handedly changed the perception along with

10:32

Jeff Halfley, obviously. But that was the big

10:34

knock last year. They couldn't turn the ball

10:36

over. And then, you know, this season when

10:38

I think they're either tied for the league

10:40

lead and turnovers or they're in second place,

10:42

I mean, it's just remarkable what he's done.

10:44

The Packers have had some good, you know,

10:46

safeties and guys back there in the past,

10:48

but as a Packers fan, it

10:50

really does feel like, well, I haven't seen a

10:52

guy play like this since Charles Woodson played on

10:55

the Packers, just a ball Hawk. You know, if

10:57

if someone's thrown it in his area code, he's

10:59

he's going to get hands on it and it's

11:01

been it's been unbelievable. Another memorable performance,

11:03

obviously out of him against the Niners

11:05

this week. But topic

11:08

number three, Shefty, perhaps no

11:10

more memorable performance from

11:12

week 12 than

11:14

Jamis Winston on Thursday night in

11:17

Cleveland against the Steelers. What'd you

11:19

think of that whole situation? True,

11:21

true story. True story. Thursday

11:23

night, I settle in to watch the pregame show

11:26

and Haley Hartong is about

11:28

to interview Jamis for the

11:31

start of the game and my wife had to be

11:33

walking by go, honey, watch, watch this guy. Just watch

11:35

this guy. And she she was

11:37

like looking at the TV mesmerized,

11:39

like what is going on right here,

11:42

look at his eyes dancing all around.

11:44

Look how he's behaving. She's like, is

11:46

he real? I'm like a hundred percent.

11:48

So the game goes on and we

11:51

see Jamis do what he did. And

11:53

then the next morning, of course, there

11:55

were more postings about Jamis. The Browns

11:57

posted his pregame.

11:59

speech which that was separate from the interview

12:02

that he gave to Kaylee Hartung in which

12:04

he's firing up the guys. I texted that

12:06

to my wife on Friday

12:08

morning after she had seen the interview with

12:10

him on Thursday night and was completely taken

12:13

with this guy and she goes, he doesn't

12:15

seem real. He seems like

12:17

someone pretending to be a football player

12:19

in a movie. Now granted this is

12:21

my wife who doesn't even pay attention

12:24

to any of this. I'd never heard

12:26

of James Winston before that night. I

12:28

said that's him and she texted back,

12:30

we live in such a cynical world.

12:33

To see someone with such positive energy

12:35

is amazing and almost unbelievable and so

12:37

I like to defer to my wife

12:39

there for the insight on Jamis

12:42

because it's an outside perspective of somebody

12:44

who has no idea who he is

12:47

and couldn't believe who he

12:49

was as he talked and

12:51

honestly there are a few things each week

12:53

that I love and it just reminded

12:55

me actually of somebody that I like to get on this

12:57

podcast. I want to get on the

13:00

guest, as a guest,

13:02

the person who posts the

13:04

Dan Campbell post game lions videos every week

13:06

on social media. I want that person on

13:08

this podcast. We have to figure out who

13:11

that is and get that person next month

13:14

and I would like to get Jamis Winston

13:16

because I love listening to him and I

13:18

love to see the pre-game speeches that the

13:20

Browns post on social media. He

13:23

is unbelievable to watch. Now his

13:26

play, what's someone wants to describe

13:28

to me? I'm like why doesn't he play more? Why

13:30

doesn't he caught on as a starter?

13:32

And somebody said to me about Jamis and I

13:34

thought this was very true a coach. They said

13:36

with Jamis there's a high

13:38

degree of variance but

13:40

when it comes to Jamis as somebody

13:42

that you want on your team and in your

13:44

locker room, he

13:46

seems like a guy that I take on my team

13:49

and in my locker room seven out of seven days.

13:52

Yeah I mean he's in like

13:55

your wife said you know in a world where

13:57

everyone is so cynical and it's very easy to

13:59

be like oh this guy's fake like this is

14:01

bullshit. What he's saying is, I mean, he's so

14:03

earnest and it's real and it might be goofy

14:06

and you know, you can poke fun at it,

14:08

but he is unapologetically himself, which is incredibly

14:10

refreshing and it is funny, you know, in

14:12

terms of his play, I think, you know,

14:14

anytime we hear quarterbacks talk or people talk

14:16

about quarterback plates, Hey, you got

14:18

it. You got to kind of, you got to

14:21

be steady Eddie. You can't really ride the wave

14:23

of emotion. And that's probably where the variance comes

14:25

in because he is such an emotional guy that

14:27

it kind of goes up and down. But there's

14:29

no question. I mean, this Browns team was lifeless,

14:31

listless before he came in and they

14:34

might not win every week, but I'll tell

14:36

you what, it looks like they're enjoying

14:38

playing and they're not just packing it up and

14:40

looking forward to next season. So, I mean,

14:42

it's, it's hard not to love a guy like Jamis.

14:45

It really is. Do you think there's any chance? I

14:47

mean, is, is he just going to kind of be

14:49

a gun for hire at this point in his career,

14:51

just bouncing around to any team in need? It's a

14:53

great question. Look, let's see how the

14:56

season plays out for Cleveland. Let's see if he

14:58

could stake more of a claim to that

15:00

job. I still think the Browns are going

15:02

to be in the quarterback market. I still

15:04

think they'll wind up drafting a quarterback, maybe

15:06

signing one in for agency, but if the

15:08

guy plays well enough down the stretch, I

15:10

would think, I would like to hope that they

15:12

keep him in a way that they didn't with

15:14

Joe Flacco. Joe Flacco inspired that team to a

15:17

late season push last year. They didn't keep him.

15:19

And I think they didn't keep him in

15:21

part because of all the dynamics involved. And

15:23

it probably would have put more pressure than

15:25

they should have had on Deshaun Watson, but

15:27

Jamis has been a breath of

15:29

fresh air and you want to go like that around.

15:31

So if he plays well enough, I'd love to see

15:33

them bring him back and give him a chance to

15:36

compete for the starting job. Yeah,

15:38

that'd be incredible. And you know, so

15:40

it'll be very interesting to see what

15:42

happens with his future. Uh, another

15:44

guy whose future is kind of up in

15:46

the air topic. Number four, Shefty. What,

15:49

what's going on with Aaron Rodgers' future? All these

15:51

rumors swirling the last, you know, since the bye

15:54

week started, it's, does he want to play? Does

15:56

he not want to play? Does he like Woody

15:58

Johnson? He can't stand Woody Johnson. Can

16:00

I tell you something? Yeah. They're on a bye

16:02

week. I

16:05

was astounded at the level

16:07

of attention and coverage that was

16:09

given to Aaron Rodgers this past week. Like,

16:12

why? Why? Let's

16:14

make this very simple, okay? They're

16:17

going to have a new head coach, a new GM, neither

16:19

one of which traded for Aaron Rodgers. Aaron Rodgers

16:21

is going to get another year older. It's going to

16:24

be 41 next season. I

16:27

don't know that the New York Jets want

16:29

Aaron Rodgers back just as much as I

16:31

don't know that Aaron Rodgers wants to be

16:33

back. It looks like both sides are happy

16:35

to move on from each other. Why

16:37

all this breathless coverage

16:40

of Aaron Rodgers when there's seven weeks

16:42

to go? Like, did something happen that

16:44

I missed over the – like, I

16:46

don't get it. I must be missing

16:48

something. I know we're talking about him

16:50

here, but it's pretty simple. I

16:53

don't need to know any more of the fact that

16:55

his future in New York is at

16:58

best up in the air, and

17:00

both sides are likely moving

17:02

on, barring something

17:05

unexpected. Did I just summarize it? Can

17:07

I spare us the next seven weeks

17:09

of Aaron Rodgers' conversation that's going to

17:11

occur every single week? And I'm sure

17:13

at times I will chip into that.

17:15

I got it. But

17:18

there's really not a lot there right there

17:20

right now. No, there's not.

17:22

And he'll come on Patch Show today, and

17:24

we'll get a little bit more of an

17:26

idea of what's actually going on. But it's

17:28

just amazing how one story comes

17:31

out with sources who he himself in

17:33

the past has basically said,

17:35

like, hey, listen, if it's not coming from

17:37

me or someone close to me, then chances

17:39

are it's not true. It's out there as

17:41

clickbait, whatever. But as soon as one of

17:44

these stories comes out, it immediately gets refuted

17:46

by someone else. The other side, there's –

17:48

well, actually, him and Woody Johnson are still

17:50

– it just – it is crazy. And

17:53

I guess, I don't know, being

17:55

closer to the situation, you would know better. I mean, is

17:57

this – can you just sum this up, like, hey, this

17:59

is the – media circus that is the

18:01

New York area and the Jets in general.

18:03

But it is crazy that, you know, I

18:05

mean, their season's over. There's it. It

18:08

is what it is. What do we do? By the way,

18:10

let me say this to you. I'm happy to be talking

18:12

to somebody at the Jets. And they

18:14

said to me, and this may have been as nice a

18:16

thing as anybody has said to me this season, they said

18:18

to me, you were the only

18:21

person that didn't write about or

18:23

talk about Aaron Rodgers this past weekend. And

18:26

I said, that's about as nice a thing as anybody

18:28

has said to me that I didn't

18:30

engage in that. So here we are doing it on the

18:32

podcast, but doing it a way in which I

18:35

don't understand why it

18:37

unfolded the way it did, why it's become a

18:39

big story. Here's the story. Let's make it simple.

18:42

Probably not going to be back in New York. Let's

18:45

wait and see how it figures it out. Did

18:47

I just sum it up in two sentences to

18:49

spare us the next seven weeks of Aaron Rodgers

18:51

conversation? Thank you. Let's move on to topic number

18:53

five, Ty. Well said,

18:55

Shefty. All right. So let's go from

18:57

a team that for whatever reason, everyone

18:59

is talking about when they shouldn't be

19:02

to two teams that kind of everyone's

19:04

sleeping on and quietly are really coming

19:06

on here. The the

19:08

Bucks who beat the hell

19:10

out of the Giants on Sunday. And then

19:12

the Dolphins who since two has come back,

19:14

has have looked like the playoff team we

19:17

kind of expected them all to be. OK,

19:19

let's start with Miami, because I think this

19:21

is interesting. I think Miami is making a

19:23

playoff push here now. They play Thursday

19:25

night in Green Bay. That is a tough matchup.

19:29

We are recording this Tuesday morning, 830. I'm

19:31

going to tell you right now, my prediction and I may

19:34

eat my words. Miami is going to be a tough out

19:36

on Thursday night in the cold. OK, I

19:38

won't be surprised if Green Bay wins at all, but

19:40

Miami is going to play a good game and it's

19:43

going to have a chance to win. We'll see

19:45

in the end if the Dolphins can pull through.

19:47

But I look at the Dolphins schedule and

19:50

after this week, they come home for

19:52

the Jets. They play at

19:54

Houston. They're home for

19:56

San Francisco. Who doesn't scare anybody right now?

20:00

Cleveland at the Jets. Very winnable

20:02

schedule to run out on. Dolphins,

20:04

I think, actually have a chance

20:06

to make a playoff push, especially

20:08

if they could find a

20:11

way to win Thursday night in Green Bay, which

20:13

will be very challenging, very difficult. But I think

20:15

they are poised to make an unlikely

20:18

playoff push. I don't know that it'll

20:20

be enough, but I think they've got

20:22

a chance to do it. And Tampa is

20:24

the other one. This week, they

20:26

play at Carolina. They then come

20:28

home for Las Vegas at

20:31

the Chargers. That's a tough game. Before

20:33

finishing at Dallas, home

20:35

for Carolina, home for New Orleans. All I

20:37

could say is Atlanta better have more than

20:40

a one or two game

20:42

lead on the Buccaneers going into

20:44

the close of the season. Now,

20:46

Atlanta has swept Tampa. So

20:48

Tampa is going to have to finish a game

20:50

ahead of the Falcons, which is

20:52

not going to be easy

20:54

to do. But Baker Mayfield

20:57

is balling. Love that. We

20:59

love watching that guy. He is

21:01

on it right now. And I

21:03

think the two teams to watch down the

21:05

stretch here that people aren't talking

21:08

about making playoff pushes are the

21:10

Buccaneers and the Dolphins. And

21:13

let's see how it plays out here in the next seven

21:15

or so weeks. Yeah, I

21:17

completely agree. You look at that last playoff

21:19

spot on the AFC side. It's I mean,

21:21

it's pretty much at this point, it seems

21:23

like it's going to come down to the

21:26

Broncos, the Colts who you

21:28

know, are kind of just it doesn't seem like they're they're

21:30

going to be that team. And then

21:32

the the fins. And like

21:34

you said, since two has come back,

21:36

I mean, it's completely different team. You

21:38

know, if he's playing quarterback, they're good.

21:40

They're good. The problem was they didn't

21:42

have to. But with two, they are

21:45

a top AFC team without a

21:47

doubt. A couple of weeks ago when I would have

21:49

looked at that, you know, even when we talked about

21:51

it two weeks ago with the Thanksgiving slate and, you

21:53

know, to it was still kind of you know, he

21:55

wasn't all the way back yet. It was like, OK,

21:57

well, that game's going to stink. And all of a

21:59

sudden now that That's the kind of the crown jewel

22:01

of Thanksgiving. And as a Packers fan,

22:04

it is. It's like, wow, I don't want to

22:06

see this Dolphins team right now. And then you

22:08

mentioned it, the Bucks. They just getting Mike Evans

22:10

back. I know that they're not in first place

22:12

in that division, but it does kind of just

22:14

feel like it's their division to

22:16

have. I don't know

22:19

if I completely trust the Falcons. And like you said,

22:21

Baker is just a

22:23

treat to watch. And you can tell those guys love

22:25

him. I

22:27

agree. I think they're going to be a very

22:29

tough out down the stretch. Let's watch them. Let's

22:31

see if the Bucks and Dolphins can make that

22:33

unlikely playoff push. Yeah, without a doubt. OK, Chefty,

22:35

let's move on to the sixth and final topic

22:37

of the six pack. The

22:39

Harbaugh last night, what'd you think?

22:41

Great game. Great game. Yeah,

22:44

you listen. I'm touting

22:46

the Buccaneers and the Dolphins. I've also touted the

22:48

Chargers because even though they lost Monday night, it

22:50

would show that they still have work to do

22:52

as a team. I really believe that

22:55

team is going to get better and better under Jim. And I

22:57

believe that team is going to have a chance get

22:59

to the Super Bowl. A chance. A

23:01

chance. I'm not telling they're going to do it because clearly

23:03

they're going to have to win on the road. But Jim

23:06

is going to play tough defense

23:08

and run the football and do those

23:10

kinds of things. But I think Baltimore

23:12

also made a statement. John Harbaugh is

23:14

now 3-0 against Jim Harbaugh.

23:16

He's beaten his little brother three times

23:19

in all three games. I'm sure Jim

23:21

is all annoyed about

23:23

that. And maybe there'll be another meeting

23:25

in the postseason, which would be something.

23:27

And by the way, isn't it incredible

23:30

that on Monday night on

23:32

the Harbaugh, that was

23:35

actually their parents' 63rd

23:37

wedding anniversary? What are the chances

23:40

that the NFL schedule would coincide like

23:42

that? Like, again, the script writers coming

23:44

through again and scheduling the Harbaugh on

23:47

the night that his parents, their

23:50

parents, Jackie and Jack Harbaugh,

23:52

have been married for 63 years. Now,

23:55

they celebrated in Florida. But

23:57

still, I remember when I

23:59

was with them. in Ann Arbor in October and

24:01

they said, oh yeah, that game's on the night

24:03

of our 63rd anniversary. I'm like, wait, that night

24:05

is your 63rd anniversary? Yeah, that

24:07

night. I was like, that's incredible. And

24:09

the Ravens, I thought, played a great

24:12

game and showed that I still think

24:14

they're the team to beat in

24:16

the AFC North, but the Chargers are gonna

24:18

be heard from in the AFC West and

24:20

in the AFC playoff picture. And it's always

24:23

great fun whenever the Harbaughs get together. We

24:25

had the occasion of getting together with them

24:27

in March. And there was so much to

24:29

the conversation that as

24:32

soon as I heard them, I'm like, we

24:34

have to play this interview

24:36

in its entirety because like

24:39

I said, the great folks at ESPN, San

24:41

Darvish Duffy and Greg Juhl and Jose Morales,

24:43

they chopped it up and created a great

24:45

special that's now on ESPN Plus and YouTube

24:47

that you could watch moving

24:49

forward. But the rest

24:52

of the interview was, I thought,

24:54

so interesting and so intriguing and

24:56

so compelling. So we decided not

24:58

to waste the rest of the

25:00

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26:15

is it like to have your brother

26:18

back in the NFL again? It's the greatest thing ever. I get to see him

26:20

as family. We get to hang out. We

26:23

get to argue together with each other and

26:25

with together against everybody else. It's fun. I'll

26:28

tell you what, though, it's challenging, too, because you've got to think

26:30

about playing these guys and the team that he's going to be

26:32

coaching and the way they're going to play. So it's always in

26:34

the back of your mind. And what's that going to be like,

26:36

John? It's going to be tough. It's going to be tough just

26:38

like he's tough, you know? It'll be for what he stands for.

26:40

He pulls it out of you, though. He pulls it out of

26:42

you. It's a tough competitor, but it's also

26:44

having an ally, too. I

26:47

mean, it's like a double-edged sword. It's two sides to the coin.

26:50

Well, your friends, your brothers, your competitors, is

26:52

it strange that you're both in

26:54

the same conference pursuing the

26:56

same price? It's just reality, I

26:58

guess. It's the way it is. It's what it is.

27:00

But last time you coached San Francisco, it was a

27:02

little bit different. Like, you couldn't meet until the Super

27:04

Bowl. Was there any part of you,

27:06

Jim, when you're coming back to the NFL

27:09

now, that knowing that you're going

27:11

to be in your brother's conference, that gives you any

27:13

sort of pause? Is he scared? Is

27:15

that what you're asking? Yeah. No.

27:18

On a lot of levels, it was like, hey, are

27:20

you man enough to do this? You know? Is it, you know,

27:22

man enough to be in the AFC with all

27:24

the great quarterbacks in the AFC, go

27:26

against your brother, the Super Bowl

27:28

champion, Chiefs in the division, Andy

27:31

Reid, Sean Payton, Antonio Pierce, you

27:33

know. Hey, you man enough to

27:35

do it? Let's

27:37

find out. Let's see. I think

27:39

I am. But let's take a shot at that. Let's

27:42

go. Let's go. Let's take a

27:44

shot at that. What impresses you most about John? First

27:47

of all, just as a brother,

27:51

you couldn't ask for a better brother. I

27:53

mean, for somebody that we shared

27:55

a room for 16 years and

27:58

knocked out hurdles for me. all

28:01

the time, you know, growing up and

28:04

set the bar very high. But I mean,

28:07

just best friend would categorize

28:09

it nicely. And he's a great

28:11

son, great member of the family.

28:14

Uncle. Uncle

28:16

to my kids. I mean, got a picture last

28:18

night. I mean, there's my two daughters and John

28:21

and Ingrid. Really great teeth, by the way.

28:23

Great teeth. All of you

28:25

had great teeth. Yeah,

28:28

great. I mean, just a great, great guy. I

28:30

mean, it just doesn't get any better than my

28:32

brother. You know, as a football coach, you know,

28:35

what he's done, I

28:37

think he's one of the best of all time.

28:40

And there's no other coach that, I mean,

28:42

is well around. He can be an

28:44

offensive coordinator, a defensive coordinator, special teams

28:47

coordinator, and a head coach. And

28:49

I've really tried to think of my son Jay

28:51

and patter it after John's career. So, yeah, just

28:53

been... Thanks,

28:56

bro. And I'm really

28:58

proud of, I love, and been

29:01

a best friend for 60 years. And

29:04

what impresses you most about Jim, John? Well,

29:07

Jim, he's pretty much been

29:09

kicking my butt ever since he was born, you know, so

29:14

the competitor... We're usually on the same team. We were

29:16

mostly all on the same team, but in our room,

29:18

we wrestle around a little bit, and you've always been

29:20

strong. You've always been the ultimate competitor. Would

29:24

you agree with that? An alpha male. You're

29:26

up to it. You're man enough for it.

29:28

You're man enough for the job. I admire

29:30

Jim. Likewise. I've

29:33

always admired Jim. I love him. We're in

29:36

the same room together. I think we kind

29:38

of like Jim was saying, the double-edged sword.

29:40

You know, iron sharpens iron, too. You know,

29:42

we've kind of had that for each other.

29:44

Even dad walked into our room, and he

29:46

goes, who could have it better than you two

29:48

guys? You two guys, you get to challenge each

29:50

other. You get to love each other. You talk. You

29:53

argue. You fight. But you're each other's best friend. You

29:55

have each other's back. And that's 15 months apart. We

29:58

had that. You know, we had that. that

30:00

in the same room and it would be, yeah, it'd be dark

30:02

at night, you can't sleep or whatever and you're just, you're laying

30:04

in there, you're looking up at the table and it's like you're

30:06

awake. Yeah?

30:08

How you doing? And you talk, you know,

30:10

and you talk about things and then, and

30:12

as he was coming up and I was,

30:14

I was older but we

30:16

were close and he was such a great athlete.

30:19

Like he was always a better athlete

30:21

than everybody. Nobody in

30:24

our circle could compare to Jim, he was the best player

30:26

on every team and so he usually would play up and

30:28

when we were playing with our friends, he was always playing

30:30

with my friends group and even with that group he was,

30:32

he was the best player. So like you

30:34

just, I just gave the admiration for him, I always

30:36

watched him, I said, man, you know, I wanted to

30:38

be the kind of athlete he was, you know, but

30:40

to admire him. Can we spread the word on this?

30:42

Yeah. You were one of the most underrated quarterbacks in

30:44

the history of the national football league and I've said

30:46

this many times and a lot of people don't want

30:48

to hear it. Go back and look at his career,

30:51

look at his stats and I'm not, I don't want

30:53

to downgrade, you had great teams, great guys, great friends,

30:55

I know you love those guys, but

30:57

he didn't play in the greatest teams all

30:59

the time. I mean I know he had

31:01

some good offensive linemen. Every year like growing

31:04

up was like, hey John, what about, what

31:06

do I do about this? I had that happen,

31:08

you know, here's what you do, you know, and

31:10

then the next grade, the next grade, the next

31:12

problem, the next thing, the next piece of advice

31:14

and I don't know about it. That's true, that's

31:16

true. I just like, I was always

31:18

rooting for him. Like every time he got, he was gonna,

31:20

he was gonna, he was gonna be a national recruit quarterback,

31:22

you know what I mean? People would ask me about your

31:24

brother, I'm like, he's the best, he's the

31:26

best quarterback. I was at Miami, Ohio and the

31:28

coaches like, can you get a shot at Jim? They'll come

31:31

to Miami, I'm like, no, no, he got

31:33

no shot, he's too

31:35

good, you know, and then he got to

31:37

Michigan and then just watching him in a rooting for

31:39

him and watching him on TV when,

31:41

while couldn't be at games, you know, Michigan Ohio

31:43

State, there was a touchdown pass to Colis R,

31:46

you know, in a huge Michigan Ohio State

31:48

game, gets drafted in the first round, goes

31:51

to the Bears, gets, how'd you get chicken pox, got

31:53

chicken pox on draft day, always

31:55

overcoming something. Yeah, he goes to draft

31:57

day, he's got chicken pox. What? I

32:00

didn't get it until 23, but I mean, I'm not going

32:02

to out. I'm not going to let him out honor me.

32:04

Come on. Come on. I'm not

32:06

done. I'm not done yet. In terms

32:08

of coaching, in terms of like parenting,

32:12

in terms of like spiritually. I

32:14

mean, he's been incredible and, you

32:17

know, as an example setter,

32:19

as a, as an igniter,

32:22

as a, you know, just somebody I

32:24

go to and he's been great in,

32:26

in, in strengthening my,

32:28

my faith and building

32:30

your family, building your team, just

32:33

the way he lives his life. He's a tremendous example.

32:37

And that's, you know, on that card I gave

32:39

you both my business card, you know, I mean,

32:41

it's, it's find a role model, you

32:44

know, and, and emulate them, you

32:46

know, copy them and then

32:49

try to go make them proud of you. I mean, that's, that's,

32:52

that's this guy for me. Pretty

32:54

nice. He didn't let me out

32:56

compliment him, did he? Which

32:58

is a little, there's a little, there's a little competition

33:00

there. Maybe I don't know. You're not going to out

33:02

honor me. Listen,

33:06

you talk. Okay. So I'm going to try though. I'm going

33:08

to try. I'm going to try just

33:11

what you just saw right there. I mean, Jim's

33:13

ability, like to connect with people to

33:15

come up with a great idea, to think it through.

33:18

Sometimes you'll call, you'll call dad, you know, everybody think

33:20

of this, you'll text it down. Does this sound right?

33:22

To come to the perfect way to say a phrase

33:24

or whatever, the perfect way to greet somebody, the perfect

33:26

way to talk to one of his players, just the

33:28

things he's doing with the chargers. He's done with the

33:30

chargers. He's talking to his team and how he motivates

33:32

those guys, man. It's just like, he's, he's a really

33:34

brilliant guy. He's a smart guy. He's just got a

33:36

knack. He's got a knack and that's

33:38

a, it's just, everybody can see it. You watch

33:40

him right now, you can see it. He's a

33:42

talented, very talented person. I love him. Sharing

33:45

a room for 16 years

33:47

is unbelievable. Yeah.

33:49

What did you learn about each other

33:52

that people don't know about

33:54

sharing a room for 16 years? Jim, that's a

33:56

long time. 16 years together

33:58

in the same room. Man.

34:01

It worked out pretty good. Man, you asked me when

34:03

did I know. I knew John would be great at

34:05

whatever he did. It

34:08

was always the best at whatever

34:10

he did. The beautiful

34:12

thing, he was always himself. There was never a time

34:14

where he was trying to be

34:16

something he wasn't or impress somebody.

34:19

He just got a lot of practice at being

34:21

him. That's

34:23

a quality we can all use to better

34:25

our lives. When

34:30

you screw up is when you try to impress somebody.

34:33

Just stick with who you are, be who you

34:35

are. You

34:37

get a lot of repetition at it. You

34:39

can be really consistent by just doing that every

34:42

day. He's always been true to who

34:44

he is, true to principles,

34:47

true to his faith

34:49

and to his family. He's

34:52

always kept those as his

34:54

priorities and to football. To

34:57

the game of football in every way,

34:59

he's been an innovator, he's been a

35:03

solution oriented. You've got to cut him

35:05

off, man. You've got to come along

35:07

and pull it. That's why I said

35:09

it early. He's one

35:12

of the greatest of all time. Greatest

35:14

of all time. How does that make you feel, John?

35:16

Coming from him, it makes me feel great. It makes me

35:18

feel great because I know he's honest about it and

35:20

that's how he feels. It's

35:22

not surprising to me. I just feel like we've kind of been

35:24

that way our whole life. I

35:27

just knew if you knew you're going to have somebody who's got your

35:29

back, it was going to be my brother. It's going to be our

35:31

family. It's going to be my brother, no matter

35:33

what. Even if I'm wrong,

35:35

I know he's going to be right there with me being wrong

35:37

and we're going to be going hard. We

35:39

had something back at the owners' meetings. When you're right, I'm

35:42

going to be the one applauding. You've got to be the

35:44

one applauding. We've got to have

35:46

a sense of it. The owner, the way it works at

35:48

those meetings is you get them to say something and you

35:50

walk off and it's like crickets, dead silence. How

35:52

did that go over? Jim gets up

35:54

and he goes, he goes, great

35:57

job, John. That's well said. That's exactly right. right

35:59

and the room start to crack up like thanks

36:01

for you know, I really appreciate the room did

36:04

the room did crack up you need a presentation

36:06

about the kickoffs right. Yeah, just a comment after

36:08

it gets done he applaud you and it never

36:10

happened before I never seen it before in the

36:12

room, you know, and it was it was really

36:14

cool. So now we start to change the dynamic

36:16

just a little bit you know without the love

36:19

that like some other people did for the

36:21

other people have to it was a trend

36:23

a trend that we changed we was it

36:26

were we're forced for change for sure the

36:28

way we treat one another and you change

36:30

the culture at the Ravens you change the

36:32

culture at Michigan and are doing that with

36:34

the Chargers and now you're changing the

36:36

culture at the owners meetings as well one step at

36:38

a time change the world one step at a

36:40

time right that that's how to do it. Go

36:42

back to the Super Bowl. Someone had said

36:45

to me that that week was very very difficult

36:47

obviously for both you but especially you Jim that

36:49

you are yourself that week. Do

36:51

you remember that being the case that that week

36:53

going up against John and Super Bowl was more

36:56

stressful than normal. No,

36:59

I think you like a normal Super Bowl

37:02

is that it's what's normal to find

37:04

normal Super Bowl stuff. I just get

37:07

I mean it's I got to size of

37:09

cool Jim and I'm dead serious about winning

37:11

Jim, you know that's and that's that

37:13

week or like any any week

37:16

of a game of that's that's who I

37:18

am I'm dead serious about winning. Even

37:21

against John. Yeah,

37:24

yeah, of course. Yeah, it's always

37:26

been that way you know not

37:28

more not less. And

37:30

what will it be like this year going up

37:33

against each other will be any different than that.

37:35

I mean the stakes are not quite as high

37:37

but will the competition be

37:39

any more intense. You know Jim

37:41

said something that week, you know, they asked about brothers, you

37:43

know, and you kind of gave it you given an announcement,

37:45

but neither one of us were thinking that way. You

37:48

know, he said he goes my brothers when that game starts my

37:50

brothers are going to be the guys in the sideline with

37:52

me those will be my brothers for that game is the

37:54

way it works and you get on

37:56

that sideline you stake out your territory your turf on

37:58

a football game. You're with your family over there. You're

38:01

with your brothers. You know, I could

38:03

see across. And there were times during the game, we

38:05

played three times now, and there's times where I'll look over

38:08

and, you know, you're looking around, you're

38:10

thinking about stuff, and I'll kind of see what he's doing,

38:12

and it's my brother over there. It's like, yeah. And I'm

38:14

proud of him. I'm proud of him. You

38:16

know, I look over and I'm like, a quick millisecond,

38:19

it's like, wow, that's my brother

38:21

over there. But you're right back into the

38:23

fight because you're fighting with your guys for something that's

38:25

really important and matters, and you got a lot put

38:27

into it, a lot of sacrifice, and it's real meaningful.

38:29

And you know, your people are counting on you, just

38:31

like his people are counting on him. And I think

38:33

you took that into that week, but you take that

38:35

into every week. Every single game,

38:37

every single practice, every single meeting. You

38:40

know, dead serious about winning is a great way to say it. So

38:43

this will be the fourth meeting between you guys now, this

38:45

upcoming season. I think by two

38:47

regular season and a pre-season. Super Bowl.

38:49

The Senate Super Bowl. Now, and now,

38:51

what is the story after that Super Bowl? Your

38:54

dad was trying to console you. He

38:57

said he was gonna go back with you. You fell

38:59

asleep. That's not true. Did

39:02

you wake up and see him at the Ravens party?

39:04

Did you maybe? Consulting, I just came

39:06

down. He came down after the game,

39:09

after I talked to the team. We talked a little bit.

39:11

How you doing? I go, you know, you

39:13

were in that, in that

39:16

I'm just gonna go back to the room. What are you gonna do?

39:18

My dad said he's gonna go back to the room too. So I

39:21

go back to the room. And people

39:23

were there. I just wanted to go into the bedroom

39:26

and try to fall asleep, you know. And

39:29

it just cleared my mind, but I couldn't. I was just

39:31

kept thinking about it. So I do it a lot.

39:34

I turn on the television and

39:36

I'm going through the channels. True

39:39

story. John, John, if

39:41

I say, I don't remember. I don't lie. No,

39:43

you don't lie. I guess I never saw him.

39:45

I never saw him at the party, a victory

39:48

party. Maybe I forgot. So I'm going through the,

39:50

going through the channels. I step, ah, there's my

39:52

brother. You know, he's up on, it

39:54

was like an overpass of like, it

39:56

felt like you guys were on like, I

39:59

thought it looked like. know what I know what

40:01

happened now so you're like asleep and you had

40:03

a dream and this is the dream there was

40:05

no overpass I was never I was not there

40:07

on a podium. It's a celebration party at where

40:10

we got to have the cell there was no

40:12

podiums Aussie and I was my brother and everyone

40:14

I did I go to the whole night. I

40:16

never I never even went up to the stage

40:18

of Steve Ross or anybody I maybe it was

40:21

a replay that maybe was a replay of of

40:23

with you know the that could have been it

40:25

could have been okay could have been on a

40:27

could have been on the the podium after the

40:30

game that could have been that's probably okay okay

40:32

ahead of you. We've got. It's

40:34

my brother OK love them, I'm proud of

40:37

them here in that you know good for

40:39

him and then he passes the trophy to

40:41

my dad in my. Like

40:46

this is going to be some footage to prove this.

40:51

But like the conversation right after the game

40:53

in the locker room with my dad was like I

40:55

can only be as happy as my least happiest son.

40:58

I just feel for you and

41:00

I'm just going to go back to the hotel and and

41:03

go to sleep. That would do that he would do that

41:06

he would do that I could I can do that. You

41:09

know it. I don't

41:11

think you did though I just don't know that at all I

41:13

work to be good but we're going to find the footage of

41:15

that footage we've got to find the footage that's what we got

41:17

there. Okay, so normally Super Bowl

41:19

you get like you know, I've seen you see

41:22

also you're going to have that moment where they

41:24

they rain this the confetti comes down and then

41:26

you've had the gay ratio you got one just

41:28

a cup you got one this past season right

41:30

and what a moment. Get the gay ready

41:32

to go. I can I can finally sit at the big boy table,

41:35

he's won a Super Bowl. I does want

41:37

a national championship. I want a national

41:39

championship so but in my Super Bowl,

41:41

OK. We with the game

41:43

gets over and we're winning in the confetti comes

41:45

down everybody's running around and I look around like

41:47

I'm like look for somebody to hug like nobody's

41:50

even close to you know, no

41:52

Gatorade nothing nobody even says a word to me I

41:54

realize you know they're thinking is they are in the

41:56

back their mind thinking he's got to talk to Jim

41:58

first, you know, and it hit. me it's like and

42:01

it really is a moment where you go through it this is

42:03

a really awesome you

42:06

like winning is a great thing you know but

42:09

that's my brother you know

42:11

you go shake your hand you put your face on

42:13

you shake the hand of the coach but now I'm

42:15

going to shake the hand of my brother and I

42:17

feel for him like you can't be you're going to

42:19

be as happy as your as your unhappy as your

42:22

unhappiest child you know it's kind of true for your

42:24

brother too as happy as I was for us me

42:26

my family my wife I was

42:28

crushed for him don't be crushed because I

42:30

crushed is a little stronger crushed a little

42:32

higher going back to work I wasn't crushed

42:34

I wasn't crushed but I felt a tinge

42:37

of you know remorse how about that a

42:39

tinge of remorse you won take

42:41

take if not if you're not gonna

42:43

take a deep long bow just take a just take

42:45

a head nod and so this is

42:47

the story and we'll see you next time you don't

42:49

you don't know this but when you guys came and

42:52

drove the RV to Baltimore a couple years ago and

42:56

we had a part like a barn downstairs it's got

42:58

games in it the pool table stuff and

43:00

I was I was in the barn and

43:03

I heard Jim and little Jack were walking down

43:05

the steps there's a couple pictures of the Super

43:07

Bowl and little Jack said that's

43:09

when Uncle John beat us in the

43:11

Super Bowl right and Jim

43:13

goes yeah and he goes he

43:15

goes I'm sorry we lost that game and

43:17

dad goes that's okay Jack we're happy for Uncle

43:20

John for his family that was that was a

43:22

great thing for them we're happy for them and

43:24

I you don't even know I heard you say that to Jack

43:26

I didn't that was really really

43:29

yeah I just I was over there like wow that

43:32

meant a lot would you like to

43:34

see Jim win a Super Bowl even if it would be

43:36

your expense well if he does

43:39

well I'm still coaching it will be you know and

43:41

I'll be rooting for him I promise you that I'll

43:43

be rooting for him hard how much of a lure

43:45

was that to leave the best man win you know

43:47

there's there's I mean that's in that why you play

43:49

the games I mean for the competition and for the

43:52

for the the thrill of victory I

43:54

mean and there's there's the

43:56

agony of defeat side too but

43:58

I mean that's But you never know, you

44:01

don't know which, how it's going to

44:03

go, but all you can do is give it

44:05

your very best. Adam, if you give it, and

44:07

this is player, coaches, just give

44:09

it your very best, then you will feel

44:11

proud and happy with what you

44:13

accomplish. We talk to our guys

44:15

about that all the time. It's a cliche. It's like, well,

44:17

it's something you would tell your kids or whatever, do your

44:19

best. Try your hardest. You know, it's not good enough. Try

44:21

is not good enough. No, actually it is. Actually

44:24

it is. And you know how hard it is to give you very best? You

44:26

know what you're asking of yourself to say, I'm going

44:29

to actually do my best. I mean, do you really

44:31

actually do your best? I mean, have you actually given

44:33

your very best? Have you played your hardest? Have you

44:35

prepared your best? Have you been the best teammate you

44:37

can be? Have you studied as hard as you can

44:40

at what you're doing? Have you committed yourself wholly to

44:42

the people around you every single

44:44

day, day after day, consistently? Made it about

44:46

everybody else and not about yourself? Have you

44:48

really done that? You know, that's a

44:50

hard thing to do. And if you do that,

44:52

if you do that, the outcome really is not

44:55

the point. Yeah, you are successful.

44:57

You are a winner either way. You feel good

44:59

about what you accomplished. And you said earlier, hey,

45:01

boy, you really look stressed during

45:04

that Super Bowl week or a lot of people said

45:06

that. Or, you know, oh,

45:08

there's a lot of people, Jim, that think you're really weird

45:11

and kind of quirky. Well, let me just tell you what

45:13

it looks like, you know, when you're dead

45:15

serious about winning and you're working and

45:17

you're sweating and you're pouring everything in

45:19

to it that you possibly can't and

45:21

you are giving it your very best,

45:24

then you're straining and its

45:26

muscles are aching. Head is,

45:29

you go to bed at night and it's throbbing

45:32

because you've thought so much and you want it

45:34

so bad for the guy next to you and

45:36

for your teammate and for the other coaches and

45:38

you're all working together. Hey, if that if that

45:40

looks quirky or weird

45:43

or stressed or whatever, so

45:45

be it, you know, you

45:47

got to you got to to your own

45:49

self be true. That's right. You know, it's

45:51

Shakespeare, I think. I think I'm going to

45:53

Socrates. Tony,

46:01

they're waxing poetic here. Tony,

46:05

it's unbelievable. I thought I was making a

46:07

good point there. Exactly. He just cut it

46:09

off. He's talking about Shakespeare. And

46:12

you cut it off. Shakespeare had to take it.

46:17

How often do we get you talking about Shakespeare? You

46:19

jump in. Somebody

46:21

had to jump in. It would have blown the narrative

46:24

of what a weird, quirky guy is. The

46:27

entire media world, we lose all the story. That's

46:32

weird, quirky. So

46:36

you've heard people say that. Yeah. And

46:38

you don't care. It's just you. Well, people say it

46:40

out loud. It's not like they're whispering about themselves. I

46:42

mean, you do have moments like, we're walking down the

46:45

hall. Sometimes they say, hey, sometimes you just

46:47

put your head down and keep walking. I don't know what

46:49

it is, but you've got to be true to yourself. We

46:52

are competitors. I promise you, every single person in this

46:54

league, they fight for their guys and

46:56

everything else. You get everything you got, be true to

46:58

yourself, be who you are. Fight,

47:00

strain. That's what makes them great. How much

47:02

of that have you gotten from each other,

47:04

where you're talking about giving your best and

47:07

spending time in that room for 16

47:09

years together and cheering each other on and

47:11

being as close as you are? How much

47:14

of putting forth

47:16

your best effort, your best self,

47:18

have you gotten from each other? A

47:21

lot, I'm sure. We probably don't even know it. So

47:24

much, so much. I mean, yeah, when you're

47:26

competing in the backyard or in the NFL

47:29

or the college you're playing, I mean, yeah,

47:31

sometimes it doesn't look pretty. I mean, sometimes,

47:33

I mean, sweat, you could be gassed. You

47:36

know, you get a tooth knocked out. I mean,

47:38

sometimes... I dropped a weight on his face one

47:40

time. I thought, bench press, we

47:42

were doing bench press to failure, and you got to the

47:44

bar, and I leaned over and hit your hands. I had

47:46

his hands, because we're pushing the hands down, pushing the hands

47:48

back up to get complete failure

47:51

of the bench press, and I bumped the bar,

47:53

and I got his hands. His hands are like

47:55

this, and the bar comes down right

47:57

on his face. You didn't think I did that. I

47:59

didn't say that on purpose, did you? No, I didn't.

48:01

I did. But you kind of get

48:03

a look like, like, ah, you'll

48:05

be all right. Let's finish the workout. You know?

48:08

Or you get blood coming out. We

48:12

used to play on the front yard. We made

48:14

a chicken wire goal, right? So

48:16

we had these four by fours. We fashioned

48:18

some, maybe grandpa Sepiti helped us put chicken

48:20

wire around and put it right in front

48:22

of our garage door. We had like a

48:24

carport and a one car garage and glass

48:26

windows across the garage. And we had tennis

48:29

balls, I think, right? And we had our

48:31

hockey system. We played hockey. And we

48:33

would go out in the front. We'd go, we'd go,

48:35

hockey night in Canada had one on one between periods,

48:37

right? And we would go one on

48:39

one. You'd be the shooter and you'd be the goalie.

48:41

We didn't have any pads or anything. And we would

48:44

go for hours and just tabulate who could score one

48:46

on one against the other guy. Knocked

48:48

out every window. Finally, eventually, I think

48:50

mom put cardboard on all those windows. And

48:53

it was you two versus each other. Just against each

48:55

other. Hockey night in Canada. Yeah. I never

48:57

knew yet. Yeah. You got

48:59

three. You got we had four

49:01

stations in Ann Arbor, Michigan

49:03

in the early 70s. I mean, you

49:05

had the ABC, the NBC, the

49:08

CBS, and then we had the Channel 9 out

49:10

of Canada. So we got we

49:12

got really into hockey because you could it was

49:15

like the Wednesday night game of the

49:17

week. We saw

49:19

that we were we were together. Oh,

49:21

you missed that. So so dad,

49:25

me, John, we're watching this every

49:27

Wednesday night. We get together, watch this hockey

49:29

night in Canada. So the Bruins are playing

49:32

and they're playing the blues. So

49:35

my dad played off game. My dad had this thing

49:37

where he like you had to run down and he

49:40

timed you how fast you could get him a beer.

49:42

You had all the way down stairs and come back

49:44

up. So we're always trying to break the world record.

49:46

I just go like this. So

49:48

then like dad goes, John, go down, get me a beer,

49:51

put you on the clock. Not just the beer, though. I

49:53

also did get cheese and crackers. I had cheese. So

49:56

cheese crackers in a beer. Oh, and Bobby

49:58

Orr makes the flying go. Yeah, right

50:00

that is that is a true story. He didn't see

50:02

it. I'm coming. I'm coming. I got the beer I

50:04

got the play. I got the crackers like and I

50:06

got the plate of cheese And

50:18

they didn't have replay back then there was

50:21

no replay I don't think I saw even

50:23

so the replay dad Me and dad were talking to red

50:25

baron said it was the hockey coach at Michigan when I

50:27

you know like when I went to college Air

50:29

plus when I came back as that as the

50:31

football coach, so we're like Yeah,

50:33

welcome back Jim and whatever anytime you want to come

50:36

down to their reading You know you want to get

50:38

a skate in or whatever you want to bring your

50:40

recruits or Coaches by you know,

50:42

whatever you want to do and we're going like

50:44

hey, did we ever tell you the time? You

50:47

know talk about hockey, you know Tell them

50:49

the story to a cracker story called cheese

50:51

and cracker story so we told

50:53

him that and then Bobby or you know, like it

50:55

just came up and Reds

50:57

like okay, nice talking to you and leaves

51:00

and then somebody later said, you know, that's a

51:02

sore subject with red He was on the ice

51:05

You know during that play he was a defendant. I

51:07

think he was it's not right there And

51:11

he said to live with that his whole life. So I got a red

51:13

never need to talk to us There's

51:17

a there's a guy who my daughter of dad of

51:19

who my daughter plays with is a guy from Boston

51:22

And he's a good guy and he's friends with

51:24

Bobby or I Were number four

51:26

because of Bobby or really Yeah,

51:30

so so I tell I tell I tell I

51:32

tell Dana her in the story and he was

51:34

I'm he's laughing He goes I'm great friends with

51:36

Bobby or I'm gonna tell him a story So

51:39

I don't hear from her for about three months. I get a package

51:41

in the mail. All right, I open it

51:43

up It's a picture and it's the goal. It's

51:46

Bobby or you never saw I never was the

51:48

first first time I actually saw it and

51:50

it's red Berenson is red. He's there. Okay, so

51:52

I knew that's our story go Okay, it made

51:55

sense to me now finally and he

51:57

writes a description he goes John forget

51:59

the cheese and crackers. Bobby or.

52:03

Great advice. I know there's a lot of meaning in

52:05

that too. You missed you miss me and me and

52:07

dad also watch the the miracle on ice when I

52:10

was you were off to college. Yeah, we were in

52:12

the basement watching that with to watch the though that

52:15

I was in college. Where were you where we

52:17

have a TV item on TV little TV 12

52:19

by 10 in the dorm room. Flickering

52:23

what rabbit ears. Yeah. Yeah,

52:27

yeah. Just

52:29

a couple quirky weird guys. Good.

52:40

But the point is that better stuff on the

52:42

pine box. There is a story. Okay, we'll give

52:44

you will give an indication about how like who's

52:46

got it better than us. Okay, so we're in

52:49

Iowa City word, Iowa City and our dad is

52:51

working all the time. He's a coach is working

52:53

all the time we have a car sometimes sometimes

52:55

we don't have a car people for all stories

52:57

and all that but we were in cub scouts

52:59

they put us in cub scouts for the first

53:01

time okay, and we were we were trying we

53:03

were we're in cub scouts so we would either

53:05

walk to the cub scout like kind of a

53:07

I was a small town we walk there take

53:10

our bikes or sometimes we get dropped off but

53:12

it wasn't the days our parents were not helicopter

53:14

parents. They were not hovering over us all the

53:16

time. So we come back they

53:18

give us they're going to have the

53:20

so the pine wood Derby the pine

53:22

wood Derby and they give you a

53:24

kit. Yeah, okay, he's a word paint

53:26

lead balls and a little drill screwdriver

53:28

some like that and not a knife

53:31

so we bring it home or like look at like okay, it's

53:33

got to work on a little bit so

53:35

we get on the picnic table in the back. We

53:37

figure OK the wheels is an actual we

53:39

put together this red paint. It's

53:41

it's it's for its a fire it's going to fire truck

53:43

deal. So we paint it we

53:46

paint him read. And it's time for

53:48

the deal we got to keep mine. It wasn't painted

53:51

I spent very little time on it. But

53:54

the long story short here is that takes us

53:56

to the event that our parents didn't help us

53:58

with these. takes over

54:00

the event and these kids we got we got

54:02

we got to box. Yeah,

54:05

like they got fishing weights and

54:07

they have like smoothed out like

54:09

they've been here are there's an

54:11

aerodynamic you know and I

54:14

like my mind was a complete just block

54:16

of wood with wheels. Mine was

54:18

read. I didn't pay my and

54:21

then make it mind and the kind of slid down

54:23

I think you are a little my mind my life

54:25

came in second on the first had it with the

54:27

Cub Scouts. We're

54:30

finished with some other. So

54:34

what is your favorite hardball euphemism of all these things

54:37

that we hear all the time what's one phrase that

54:39

you love to you still to this day is the

54:41

one that stands out above the others for each one

54:43

of you. I

54:47

attack each other attack each day with

54:49

enthusiasm unknown to mankind and

54:51

who's got a better than us, I mean and

54:54

then both are are the

54:56

both about faith, the both about family, the

54:58

both of about football. Those

55:02

are the 2 top ones. I mean who's got it better than

55:04

us, you know is is is a

55:06

gratitude grateful statement, it just it digs deep and

55:08

you know our team and our guys I see

55:11

people in the street people will be walking down

55:13

there. Hey who's got it better than us, you

55:15

know, I mean people people get they read us

55:17

letters they say I do this my kids all

55:20

the time now then and the other one I

55:22

mean attack. This day

55:24

with the enthusiasm unknown to mankind, you know

55:26

to me I just known to make unknown

55:28

to mankind. It's not it's not of human

55:30

being it's not in this world and it's

55:32

otherworldly right spiritual, you know, it's always birthing

55:34

is take that one dive into that one

55:37

for a minute think about what that thinks

55:39

what that means. Tons

55:41

of later and even like a t-shirts to who's

55:44

got a better than us, nobody, I mean even

55:46

like it to me also it's like anything

55:50

that's an obstacle anything that's you know

55:52

makes it harder, you know almost like

55:54

ankle weights, it's really better for

55:56

you to have it. But

55:58

you're at a rate on which are a a

56:01

weight sign and have to overcome something than to

56:03

have it handed to you or have it given

56:05

to you. But yeah, those two, and plus they're

56:07

both from Jack Harbaugh,

56:09

from his. They're really Jack Harbaugh-isms.

56:12

They're Jack Harbaugh-isms, yeah. To me,

56:14

those two, though, it's like Huey

56:16

Lewis, the power of love. You

56:19

think Huey Lewis, thinking

56:21

of the power of love, Jack

56:23

Harbaugh, I'm thinking tacky today with

56:25

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huge thank you to John and Jim Harbaugh for

57:31

sitting down and doing that and being as engaging

57:33

as they were. And they were incredible. It was

57:35

in March. They were in great moods. They were

57:37

feeding off one another, loved sitting down

57:39

with them. And I will say this as good

57:41

as they were, their parents were

57:44

just as good. Jack and

57:46

Jackie were outstanding. And Jack, his

57:49

interview is going to live on here. We're going to get

57:51

that out here at some point in time. And it is

57:53

really worth listening to some

57:55

incredible stories. His memory is

57:57

incredibly strong and look forward to

57:59

sharing. I'm sharing Jack in

58:01

a future, later podcast episode.

58:04

All right, we mentioned it

58:06

is Thanksgiving. And I think

58:08

if I'm ranking my holidays and I'm being honest,

58:11

I think Thanksgiving is my favorite holiday, my

58:14

single favorite holiday, because there's no

58:16

religion involved at all. There's

58:19

no gift giving involved at all.

58:22

It's all very simple. It's

58:26

the unofficial kickoff of the holiday

58:28

season. It's

58:31

family, it's food, it's football. What

58:33

is better than those three things

58:36

on Thanksgiving day, sitting around, and

58:38

you know what else I love? And I would

58:40

never say this to my wife or anybody publicly,

58:43

but I sit there

58:45

and I get to watch football when there are

58:47

40 people at my wife's cousin's

58:50

house on Thanksgiving, I sit there and watch football. I

58:52

know everybody's engaged in conversation, and whoever wants to watch

58:54

football with me and sit on the couch and talk

58:57

with me is welcome to do that. But

58:59

they're like, oh, he's working. I'm

59:01

working, I'm working watching football. So

59:04

it's a great way to work on Thanksgiving day

59:07

to be around family, to eat food, and

59:10

to watch football and to do my job

59:12

there, Ty, right? Do my job. Yeah, absolutely.

59:14

That's not a bad idea. I might have

59:16

to use that one this year. I don't

59:18

know if it'll go over too well with

59:21

a newborn, but I'll certainly try, but I

59:23

think you're right, Shefty. It just tough to

59:25

beat Thanksgiving. Like you said, kicks off the

59:27

holiday season. Now, you could maybe

59:29

have a gripe about the slate of

59:31

games that we have this Thanksgiving, but

59:33

hey, in four months, five months, we're

59:36

gonna be clamoring for

59:38

Tommy DeVito versus Cooper Rush

59:40

on Thanksgiving. So I'm gonna

59:43

enjoy it. You say

59:45

maybe not a great slate. We said the

59:47

same thing about the early slate

59:50

in week 12 in the early window. And

59:52

all of a sudden, what

59:54

did the Cowboys and commanders turn into? What

59:56

did the Vikings and Bears turn into? What

59:58

are the Titans and Texans turn into? You

1:00:00

never would have had an interest in watching

1:00:02

that game. And here we go. The

1:00:05

Titans pull the upset. So any

1:00:07

of these windows always has the

1:00:09

opportunity, the chance, the potential to turn into

1:00:11

something that is way more compelling and entertaining

1:00:14

than you ever would have expected. It happened

1:00:16

this past week. And you know what? It

1:00:18

wouldn't surprise me if it happened again on

1:00:21

Thanksgiving Day last year. I

1:00:23

think we were looking at what was it, the Packers and the

1:00:25

Lions. The Packers are struggling and not a great matchup. And

1:00:27

lo and behold, Green Bay goes into Detroit and

1:00:30

wins. So again, we got a slate

1:00:32

of football. And you know what that means, Ty? I

1:00:35

got work to do on Thanksgiving Day. I

1:00:37

got work to do. Okay. And

1:00:39

as for this week's game of the week, hard

1:00:42

to beat two teams that we

1:00:44

talked about in this podcast. The

1:00:46

Eagles versus the Ravens. John Harbaugh

1:00:48

spent 10 seasons with the Eagles

1:00:50

as their special teams coordinator and

1:00:52

defensive backs coach before becoming the

1:00:55

Ravens head coach. And since then

1:00:57

has gone three and one versus

1:00:59

the Eagles. But keep in mind,

1:01:01

Lamar Jackson is 23 and one

1:01:06

against NFC teams in his

1:01:08

NFL career. The best record

1:01:10

by any quarterback in inter-conference

1:01:12

games since the 1970 merger.

1:01:15

23 and one against the NFC. That's

1:01:18

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it live. All right. I want to

1:01:29

thank the Harbaugh's for joining us today

1:01:32

for their time, for their access. I

1:01:34

want to thank you, Ty, and wish

1:01:36

you and your family a Happy Thanksgiving.

1:01:39

Happy Thanksgiving to Christina Buswell, Sarah Abbott,

1:01:41

Dan Stanzik, and our great

1:01:43

producers who put this podcast together.

1:01:45

And to you, the listener for

1:01:47

tuning in to another Adam Schefter

1:01:49

podcast. We'll be back in the

1:01:51

spot next week with more interviews,

1:01:53

insight, and entertainment. Until then, have

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a great Thanksgiving. Have

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a great Thanksgiving, everybody. Happy.

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