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1:10

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1:12

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1:14

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1:16

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1:30

With us today, we have

1:32

producer Clayton Neurly. Hello. Fact

1:34

checker Chris Smith. Hi. Producer

1:36

Amanda Lund. Former producer.

1:40

Don't worry, Clay, I'm not coming for

1:42

you. No. You're the queen. You're what

1:44

we all look up to. Oh gee. Yeah.

1:47

I should say, yeah. We've

1:49

got our dogs as

1:51

well who are joining us

1:54

today. In a new environment, a

1:56

new background that people may not

1:58

be used to. Yeah. So

2:00

yeah, you know, we've had

2:02

kind of a, it's been

2:04

a month here at

2:07

the alarmist. These are

2:09

unprecedented

2:11

times. Thanks for

2:13

including me in

2:15

this, you guys. I

2:18

think probably your entire

2:20

base of listeners, the

2:22

alarmist that they are, have

2:24

been. keeping pretty up to

2:26

date with all the horrible

2:28

stuff going on in Los

2:31

Angeles. And I'm sure a

2:33

lot of the alarmie has

2:35

been checking in and reaching

2:37

out. But yeah, it's been, it's

2:39

been crazy and specifically crazy

2:41

for Chris and Rebecca as you

2:43

guys have your home and Alta

2:46

Dina. So I guess I'm going

2:48

to just here today to help

2:51

facilitate this conversation and

2:53

to kind of be the

2:55

ears of the listeners and

2:58

ask the questions people might

3:00

be wondering about like what

3:02

went down, how are you guys,

3:04

and Clay you've been you know

3:06

in close proximity with

3:09

Chris and Rebecca through a lot

3:11

of this. Yeah we should walk

3:13

them through how it all went

3:15

down. I think let's just start

3:18

first with like checking

3:20

in where is everyone?

3:22

Where is everyone literally?

3:25

How is where is

3:27

everyone mentally? Like let's

3:29

ground ourselves in where

3:31

like today right now, where

3:34

are we all? Mm-hmm. Well,

3:36

we're not in altadena right

3:38

now. We're currently at an

3:41

Airbnb in East LA in

3:43

else certain area called El

3:46

Serino. So as you can

3:48

see everyone is safe. We're

3:50

all physically everyone

3:52

is fine. We're I would

3:54

say I'm a little shook still.

3:57

I think I'm a little

3:59

bit. in shock. It all happened

4:01

very fast. But yeah, yeah, we're

4:04

here and you guys are where

4:06

you usually are, right? Yeah, well,

4:08

I'm home. You're in Pasadena. Yeah,

4:11

I'm in Pasadena and Clay, you're

4:13

in. I'm in Park. I'm in

4:15

Park. Very fortunate to still be

4:18

in my home and mentally. Yeah,

4:20

just, you know, kind of still

4:22

kind of PTSD recovering. I think

4:24

just, you know, to say up

4:27

front, like, Kristen Rebecca's house is

4:29

still standing. Yeah. but their neighborhood

4:31

is completely decimated. Yeah. So I'm

4:34

sure people, I know I think

4:36

you said something, you've been saying

4:38

stuff on Instagram, but for anyone

4:41

who isn't privy, hasn't been following

4:43

that close. Like that is your

4:45

situation. And it's a super difficult

4:48

and super heartbreaking and complicated situation.

4:50

Would you guys want to just

4:52

kind of start from the beginning

4:54

and kind of in alarmist fashion,

4:57

go through like. the timeline of

4:59

kind of what happened and here's

5:01

what you need to know yeah

5:04

I don't think I'll play the

5:06

music underneath because that feels a

5:08

little too yeah not yet no

5:11

no no well can we go

5:13

back to well I guess let's

5:15

start to that morning so a

5:18

few days before the seventh we

5:20

started getting some emergency alerts. Yes,

5:22

high wind. Of course, as you

5:24

can imagine, I'm signed up for

5:27

all of the alerts all of

5:29

LA County for whether it be,

5:31

you know, weather related, you know,

5:34

any criminal act, everything. So a

5:36

few days before they started saying,

5:38

you know, it's going to be

5:41

a lot of wind and we're...

5:43

We're used to heavy wind. The

5:45

Santa Anita winds are a common

5:47

thing that happen. Santa Ana. Santa

5:50

Ana, Santa Ana, sorry, Santa Anita

5:52

is a different town. Close to

5:54

you, close to us. They have

5:57

different winds there. Anita, Anna. But

5:59

if you don't know about these

6:01

Santa Ana winds, I mean, they

6:04

can be really strong. And I

6:06

mean, you can get gusts up

6:08

to like 60 miles an hour.

6:11

And that's, you know. That's regular

6:13

60 or 70, but these were

6:15

like 100 mile an hour gusts,

6:17

which is not constant. But as

6:20

anyone knows, even a 70 mile

6:22

an hour gust is really destructive

6:24

and something that you have to

6:27

prepare for. Right. And you know,

6:29

this was, this came with a

6:31

fire warning because I think an

6:34

extreme fire warning. Yeah, I think

6:36

that's what they were saying. Which

6:38

was because of the dry. the

6:41

dry vegetation and vegetation. Yeah, it

6:43

hasn't rained in LA for months.

6:45

We would, when was the last

6:47

time it rained other than I

6:50

think it was April of last

6:52

year was the first time, the

6:54

last time it had rained before

6:57

just this past weekend. Right. But

6:59

it is, yeah, it's one of

7:01

those things where. This could have

7:04

been a very different scenario had

7:06

we gotten the seasonal rains early

7:08

in January that we nor I

7:10

do before these winds came but

7:13

unfortunately it was just like a

7:15

real bad combination like Alta Dina

7:17

for anyone who isn't familiar is

7:20

is a town in the foothills

7:22

and some of it is like

7:24

really up in the hills where

7:27

there's bears but then the rest

7:29

of it like where Chris and

7:31

Rebecca have their home is feels

7:34

like fairly flat and it's very

7:36

built and there's businesses and I

7:38

mean there's lots of trees and

7:40

vegetation but it's not like up

7:43

in the hill. No, it feels

7:45

like a transitional community because it

7:47

really but Pasadena which is just

7:50

like city you feel like you're

7:52

in city when you're in Pasadena.

7:54

also live in a hilly neighborhood

7:57

in Pasadena a little bit west

7:59

and south of Altadena below the

8:01

freeway but we're in a fire

8:04

zone so we often have what's

8:06

called red flag days and we're

8:08

very close to this the Arroyo

8:10

which is very dry and with

8:13

lots of heavy vegetation so we

8:15

we are also in a fire

8:17

zone and we've had you know

8:20

fire notices before but I've never

8:22

in my like wildest dreams that

8:24

like a fire could ever like

8:27

actually get to us. And you

8:29

guys probably felt the same way

8:31

where you are placed in Altadena.

8:33

Yes. Yeah, totally. You know, we

8:36

love Altadena. One of the reasons

8:38

is because A, it has the

8:40

best air quality in Los Angeles

8:43

County, because we're far from highways.

8:45

We're sort of tucked into the

8:47

mountain. And then B, you can't,

8:50

you don't, nobody drives through Altadena,

8:52

because to drive through Altadena to

8:54

the north, you just, you hit

8:57

the San Gabriel Mountains, like there's

8:59

nowhere, there's no, nothing above us,

9:01

right. So you can't really drive

9:03

through it. So those are the

9:06

reasons. We love it and we

9:08

have also had fire warnings before

9:10

but never evacuation notices. So when

9:13

we got these warnings, Rebecca's alarm

9:15

went off and the morning of

9:17

Tuesday, I remember. We were taking

9:20

a class getting ready to go

9:22

to an acting class that Clayton,

9:24

Rebecca, and I had all were

9:27

all taking together. And before we

9:29

went off to class, Rebecca was

9:31

like, let's gather our. important documents

9:33

now in case we need to

9:36

take them later so at this

9:38

point was there even a fire

9:40

or it was no this was

9:43

not even windy yet this was

9:45

like the wind started yeah so

9:47

of course Rebecca you were like

9:50

a super early adopter of like

9:52

on brand psychically thinking that something's

9:54

going on because like we were

9:57

getting those two and it never

9:59

even occurred to me to like

10:01

the city was burning to even

10:03

like that it could reach us

10:06

you know so that what where

10:08

were you at Chris were you

10:10

kind of thinking like I should

10:13

yeah Chris where were you at

10:15

shouldn't I wouldn't say I was

10:17

annoyed but I will say I

10:20

was like I the we were

10:22

collecting these papers and I was

10:24

like okay it makes sense to

10:26

grab our passports Rebecca was like

10:29

let's get our deed of our

10:31

house the deed of our house

10:33

that has our name sort of

10:36

on our house and I was

10:38

like well doesn't the assessor have

10:40

that information isn't it already in

10:43

the cloud like Do we need

10:45

that paper? Why do we need

10:47

that paper and that was like

10:50

an extra 15 minutes of our

10:52

morning was like looking for that

10:54

deed? And there was a little

10:56

bit of tension between us about

10:59

that. And I was on the

11:01

side of being like, come on.

11:03

Everything's online where your was your

11:06

quote. And also, you know, I

11:08

was like, what's going to happen,

11:10

you know, right? It's a little

11:13

bit of denial, like a wishful

11:15

thinking, like I don't want to

11:17

have to go that this exercise

11:20

because a If I am going

11:22

through it, it means it's actually

11:24

possible, which is like kind of

11:26

unfathomable. And at that point, it's

11:29

just winds. Like winds don't even

11:31

sound that scary. Like have you

11:33

ever even done an episode on

11:36

a wind event? No. No. You're

11:38

kind of like, it's just winds.

11:40

Like what could happen? Yeah. For

11:43

me, like winds and rain and

11:45

storms and hurricanes, like that to

11:47

me is really scary. This was

11:49

different. I feel like a windstorm

11:52

is so different because you don't

11:54

hear the rain. For some reason,

11:56

when you put wind and rain,

11:59

that's scary. to people but just

12:01

the wind doesn't scare enough

12:03

doesn't know it doesn't but

12:05

they were saying we were going

12:07

to get 100 mile per hour

12:09

winds and I guess and I

12:11

was like well that's hurricane level

12:13

it is so literally is so I

12:16

knew in my mind that that's not

12:18

normal I was flying a kite

12:20

really really wow I was at the park

12:22

I was at the park I go

12:24

it wasn't that windy yet I went

12:27

to the park and I got my

12:29

kite out Oh my god, Amanda. Just

12:31

mocking the winds. This fool

12:33

over here, flying a kite. I

12:35

think there was something, I

12:37

mean, the warnings that came

12:40

out were so extreme. I think

12:42

they were really trying to like

12:44

scare people and like, this is

12:46

a worst case scenario. Yeah. Kind

12:48

of once in a lifetime or

12:51

like once in a generation event.

12:53

And I do think there's a

12:55

lot of. denial. I mean, I

12:57

remember Mike coming in like we,

12:59

there's going to be some crazy winds,

13:02

like we have to move all the stuff off

13:04

of the terrorists, like we have our

13:06

like wind prep mode, but you know,

13:08

it's one of those things where it's

13:10

like people being told to evacuate for

13:12

hurricane. what was that weather event like

13:14

a couple like maybe a year ago

13:16

that everyone was freaking out it was

13:18

some combo of words was it like

13:20

it was like almost a hurricane on

13:22

the west coast yeah but they called

13:24

it like a super bomb cyclone or

13:27

something like a mom cyclone or was

13:29

it like a hernado people were calling

13:31

it it was like something crazy and

13:33

there happened to be an earthquake while

13:35

while it was happening remember that yeah

13:37

but that one didn't really come to

13:39

right exactly canned goods and like We

13:41

got a generator out and it was

13:43

like just some heavy rain for 24

13:46

hours and it was no big deal.

13:48

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think people

13:50

here know how to prepare for

13:52

bad winds, but to your point,

13:54

Amanda, it just feels like it's

13:56

kind of unbelievable, but it's

13:59

gonna make. it in far

14:01

in enough until like a thriving

14:03

dense neighborhood as far as like

14:05

where the Smiths live. I think

14:07

nobody really thinks that and like

14:09

I think all of us suddenly

14:11

are on the other side of

14:14

that like oh God like it

14:16

could it could absolutely happen like

14:18

why were we so naive about

14:20

it? So I mean we ended

14:22

up continuing our day so we

14:24

gathered all of our papers and

14:27

I put them in a in

14:29

a little tote that was like

14:31

right by the door and we

14:33

had we were going to an

14:35

acting class that day and our

14:37

teacher is really adamant about turning

14:40

off your cell phones during class

14:42

and I was very nervous about

14:44

doing it and I told Chris

14:46

on our on our drive there

14:48

because you know we were leaving

14:50

the pets at home I was

14:53

like a little nervous so I

14:55

said I'm going to secretly keep

14:57

my phone on just so you

14:59

know. Because if we get any

15:01

kind of alert, I want to

15:03

be able to know and to

15:06

drive back and get all of

15:08

our stuff. So we went on

15:10

with our day. It was a

15:12

really nice day. We continued to,

15:14

you know. We had plans, we

15:16

didn't get any more alerts. And

15:19

down by where the class was,

15:21

the wind was not as bad

15:23

as it was in Altadena. Although

15:25

it was the, I do remember

15:27

the, at the theater, the sign.

15:29

Yeah, there was some wind, but

15:32

it was. The sign letters had

15:34

fallen down for the people who

15:36

were performing and our friend Jacqueline

15:38

was like picking up all the

15:40

scattered letters, she couldn't find a

15:42

few. Yeah. And my, it was

15:45

really. It was really foreshadowing. All

15:47

the letters came down, they scrambled,

15:49

you are in danger, is what

15:51

they spelled on the ground. I'm

15:53

glad that we let you get

15:55

that in. I almost interrupted, but

15:58

I'm glad I let you get

16:00

that in. I was going to

16:02

say that at that time, my

16:04

scene partner in this checkoff class,

16:06

because we were doing our scene

16:08

that. that day, they live closer

16:11

to the actual mountain like Hillside

16:13

in Altadena. Yeah, she's a neighbor

16:15

of ours, you know, she lives

16:17

in our neighbors. Yes, and she

16:19

showed up being like, I had

16:21

a really rough night, like our,

16:24

some of our shingles, because the

16:26

winds were starting to pick up

16:28

into Tuesday afternoons, or morning, and

16:30

she was like, like, like, getting

16:32

kind of like, And around this

16:34

time also the palisades fire had

16:37

broken out I believe already But

16:39

it wasn't huge yet. So I

16:41

know because Matt my husband was

16:43

going in to do his Conan

16:45

session He produces the Conan podcast

16:47

and I forget who their guest

16:50

was but it was someone who

16:52

lived in the palisades and they

16:54

had to cancel Because of the

16:56

fire and I was like oh,

16:58

there's a fire in the palisades,

17:00

but I yeah, I wasn't thinking

17:03

it was like burning down houses

17:05

and I don't think it was

17:07

yet I don't think it was,

17:09

but I do remember after we

17:11

got out of class around two,

17:13

I started to see news about

17:16

the fire in the palisades where

17:18

people were running away from their

17:20

car. You know, there were a

17:22

lot of people who were starting

17:24

to evacuate and that was happening

17:26

really. fast the evacuations were coming

17:29

really fast and they had some

17:31

people had like literally left their

17:33

cars because there was traffic yeah

17:35

to get off you know p

17:37

c h i think yeah i

17:39

think there must have been traffic

17:42

one of those one lane street

17:44

and so they were running out

17:46

of their car and leaving their

17:48

car in the and it was

17:50

getting cars were getting bulldozed so

17:52

that emergency vehicles could then go

17:55

up to fight the fires were

17:57

getting bulldozed so that emergency vehicles

17:59

could then go up to fight

18:01

the fires So I remember that

18:03

was already happening. I still, naively,

18:05

thought we were fine. And I

18:08

had a rehearsal. that was scheduled

18:10

for six o'clock that day. This

18:12

was on January 7th. Also just

18:14

to pause there, just so people

18:16

understand who are not as familiar

18:18

with the LA area. The Palisades

18:21

is like- It's very far. Sorry.

18:23

No, it's like, I was gonna

18:25

say, it's like 15 miles from

18:27

where we live, right? From the

18:29

east side? I mean, at least.

18:31

It's about as- Yeah. If you're

18:34

in LA, it's like, those are

18:36

the opposite side. Yes. Altadena's real

18:38

East, Palisades is west, like by

18:40

Malibu. Yeah. So there's no, yeah.

18:42

And in LA, 20 miles is

18:44

like, you don't, you don't do

18:47

that. That's, yeah, that's a two

18:49

hours away. And stay the night.

18:51

Yeah. But so, okay, so we

18:53

go back home and that night,

18:55

Rebecca has a rehearsal. Yes, I

18:57

have a rehearsal. I'm like running

19:00

my lines. I'm, you know, you

19:02

know. dressed in my costume because

19:04

my scene partner is about to

19:06

come over. I ordered pizza that

19:08

got delivered around six. Right. Mm-hmm.

19:10

And when my scene partner gets

19:13

there like around 630, the wind

19:15

has already picked up significantly. The

19:17

roof on our porch is... slamming

19:19

around. Some of the shingles are

19:21

starting to fly away and it's

19:23

really strong. They're a large sort

19:26

of six foot corrugated panels like

19:28

metal basically like ting roof panels

19:30

and they're flying off and I'm

19:32

really nervous they're going to fly

19:34

off into somebody's back yard, somebody's

19:36

going to hit and get hurt

19:39

by it. Yeah. I can't remember

19:41

when we found out that the

19:43

Eaton Canyon fire started. So she,

19:45

she comes, she rushes in and

19:47

I, I saw, we had still

19:49

had power at this point and

19:52

she says, the mountain is on

19:54

fire, you guys are the only

19:56

ones in Altadena with power, your

19:58

power. still on. I just drove

20:00

up from Pasadena and all of

20:02

the lights are out and it

20:05

almost feels like your block is

20:07

the only one with power and

20:09

she said there's a fire I

20:11

can see it as I was

20:13

driving up and my heart starts

20:16

pounding. And I just say,

20:18

okay, well, rehearsal is canceled

20:20

here, have some pizza. I

20:22

sent her home with pizza.

20:24

I'll send you an email

20:27

canceling this rehearsal. And she

20:29

kind of like leaves all frazzled,

20:31

as all of us were frazzled.

20:33

And Chris and I look at

20:35

each other and we're like, okay.

20:38

And it was around this time

20:40

too that we downloaded the the

20:42

watch studio I think everyone in

20:44

California downloaded At the same exact

20:46

time. I know it was it

20:49

really the only way that I've

20:51

been getting any information in real

20:53

time about the fires and it

20:55

wasn't on anyone's radar before not

20:57

even the alarm is to herself

20:59

it sounds like because otherwise you

21:02

were just watching local news or

21:04

honestly like on Instagram yeah and

21:06

and then also just you would

21:08

get these emergency updates like on

21:10

your phone through the emergency system

21:12

but they don't give you a

21:15

lot of information no there's a

21:17

way you can look up fires

21:19

on Google Maps that I was

21:21

like tracking where the fires were

21:24

they'll they'll pop up but other

21:26

than that I you know we didn't

21:28

have this app so we download

21:30

it right away and we

21:32

start seeing that there are

21:35

evacuation warnings starting in the

21:37

east side of past of

21:39

Altedina now we're on the

21:41

west side they kind of

21:43

divide Altedena by two sides.

21:45

You're either east of

21:47

Lake Avenue or west

21:50

of Lake Avenue. And this

21:52

is this will be important

21:55

later, but east of

21:57

Lake Avenue, which is

21:59

closer. to Eaton Canyon, which is

22:01

a popular hiking spot. We've we've

22:03

hiked it. There's like a waterfall

22:05

that people hike to and it's

22:07

it's you know about maybe two

22:09

and a half miles from our

22:11

house. So east of Lake is

22:13

starting to get evacuated and and

22:15

there are warnings and evacuation and

22:17

people are getting put in evacuation

22:19

zones and we still had electricity.

22:21

So Chris and I look at

22:23

each other, we're like, let's pack

22:25

our bags while we can still

22:27

see because it's starting to get

22:29

dark. It's 630. I think I'm

22:31

just looking at my text, so

22:33

I texted you guys at seven.

22:35

I'm like, are you guys okay

22:37

with all this wind and fire?

22:39

Like, I don't even know what

22:41

was happening. And then you go,

22:43

we're okay, but pretty rattled. We

22:45

think we're heading to Clayton. the

22:47

watch duty app and that was

22:49

an incorrect evacuee. Oh, right, because

22:51

then yeah, then you say yes,

22:53

it wasn't for us. Yeah, but

22:55

then you say it's pitch black

22:57

and we could see the flames

22:59

from the highway heading to Clayton's,

23:02

but we'll keep you posted. So

23:04

you guys left before. What time

23:06

was that that that was at

23:08

750 that you texted that yeah,

23:10

you were having to place while

23:12

this. So, and meanwhile, while this

23:14

is all happening. I went into

23:16

a workout class with Mike at

23:18

6 30. We drove there and

23:20

like the wind was like bad

23:22

but it wasn't terrible and I

23:24

remember this class was like an

23:26

hour long around like the 652

23:28

mark my Applewatch said I was

23:30

getting a call from Rebecca and

23:32

I was like that's weird I

23:34

wonder why she's calling me now

23:36

but I didn't think anything of

23:38

it. We finished class at like

23:40

725. Got our phones and got

23:42

this message from her saying we

23:44

think we need to evacuate like

23:46

can we come to your house

23:48

and we're like of course But

23:50

we walked outside at like 720

23:52

and it was night and day.

23:54

It was like suddenly a tornado

23:56

had shown up in Pasadena like

23:58

we walk into our car it

24:00

was like we had to hold

24:02

our hats down like we were

24:04

just blowing away and I was

24:06

like oh we then we're like

24:08

we need to raise home because

24:10

the Smiths you guys are on

24:12

your way it took Mike and

24:14

I 40 minutes to drive from

24:16

where we go to get home

24:18

because there were already downed trees

24:20

branches debris everywhere and we got

24:22

to our house maybe five minutes

24:24

before the Smiths showed up from

24:26

Altadena. Because, okay, so just to

24:28

check back on text. Rebecca texted

24:30

Clayton and Mike, hey, there's a

24:32

fire near us, we are gathering

24:34

things, can we come to you?

24:36

This is 6.53 p.m. And then

24:38

30 minutes passes. So we didn't

24:40

even get a response to you

24:42

because you guys were we were

24:44

we were sweating. And then we

24:46

told Amanda at 713. we're on

24:48

our way to close. We didn't

24:50

even wait. I know. I was

24:52

like, I'll just be there. Imagine

24:54

if we're like, I'll tell them

24:56

we're here. So I have to

24:58

know like, because during this time,

25:00

I'm on this like crazy mom's

25:02

WhatsApp group with like 1000 moms,

25:04

like all in LA area, and

25:06

then a couple offshoot groups that

25:08

are like Pasadena Altaena moms. So

25:10

during this time, I'm getting all

25:12

these. all my information now comes

25:14

from the mom's group so everyone's

25:16

like I'm packing bags and I'm

25:18

telling Matt I'm like the moms

25:20

are packing bags okay and he's

25:22

going you got to get off

25:24

those moms are crazy okay so

25:26

I just start like I'm just

25:28

like putting a few overnight things

25:30

in bags like see really with

25:32

that Matt noticing no I'm showing

25:34

I'm just gonna pack it an

25:36

overnight bag I don't want to

25:38

like you know in case just

25:40

in case And he's not thinking,

25:42

you know, anything of it, but

25:44

then we do, we never watch

25:46

the news, but we turned on

25:48

the news, and then I think

25:50

we saw some of it was

25:52

happening. Because at this point, we

25:54

were just concerned. We have this

25:56

huge old Chinese alma in our

25:58

backyard that the huge brain... just

26:00

go over our house, specifically like

26:02

our bedroom. So we were like,

26:04

where should we sleep? Like where

26:07

should we put the Glenn down

26:09

to sleep, our little three year

26:11

old? So that was like our

26:13

major concern that the tree was

26:15

gonna crush our house or something.

26:17

We weren't even really at this

26:19

point thinking the fire would ever

26:21

get down our way. We drive

26:23

by your house Amanda every day

26:25

going to and from the gym

26:27

and we specifically didn't go that

26:29

way home from the gym after

26:31

we came out because we thought

26:33

there would be so many down

26:35

trees We were afraid. Yes, and

26:37

there were there's like I mean

26:39

our street has so many beautiful

26:41

trees But yeah, there were a

26:43

couple big ones that fell and

26:45

like blocked the road Yep, but

26:47

at this point we were not

26:49

packing to like evacuate because we

26:51

thought our house was gonna burn

26:53

down that was like not even

26:55

in my brain Yeah, was when

26:57

you guys were packing Chris and

26:59

Rebecca Were you packing thinking our

27:01

house might not make it or

27:03

were you just packing to evacuate?

27:05

We were packing to evacuate like

27:07

for a few days and I...

27:09

Or just like literally that night.

27:11

I even brought my costume for

27:13

the scene next day, the next

27:15

day, because I was like, oh,

27:17

we're just gonna sleep at Clayton's

27:19

and then we're gonna go to

27:21

this class in the next morning

27:23

and I have to, my scene

27:25

is going up so I packed

27:27

my little dress that I was

27:29

gonna wear for the scene and

27:31

then we just had like a

27:33

little rolly suit, like a carry-on

27:35

suitcase full of stuff. we put

27:37

that in the car and then

27:39

I kind of looked around and

27:41

I was like well I don't

27:43

really have a lot of things

27:45

of of great value you know

27:47

per se you know other than

27:49

like computers and your phone or

27:51

whatever and I put like a

27:53

few like items of jewelry in

27:55

a little bag and and that

27:57

was it there's a funny story

27:59

actually so so we packed the

28:01

car And later on, I'm going

28:03

to think back on this time

28:05

and... really kick myself for a

28:07

lot of reasons. You know, the

28:09

next day, I was, you know,

28:11

beside myself. But we just packed

28:13

the car with like a carry-on

28:15

suitcase, the dogs, the dog, a

28:17

few days of, not even days,

28:19

like a few servings of dog

28:21

food. And I didn't, we, I

28:23

even, in, in the, I forgot

28:25

the, the dog beds, stuff like

28:27

that, like, like, dog bulls, I

28:29

forgot to bring. So we were

28:31

kind of rattled and trying to

28:33

get out quickly and then we

28:35

started we ran outside and we

28:37

started to knock on our neighbors

28:39

doors. I was texting a few

28:41

of my neighbors being like there's

28:43

a fire like we're thinking of

28:45

leaving the there are evacuation warnings

28:47

because we had just signed up

28:49

for the watch duty app. We

28:51

didn't know that every time there

28:53

is an evacuation warning you get

28:55

an alert. It's not when it's

28:57

your time to evacuate that you

28:59

get the alert. So every time

29:01

we were getting these alerts, we

29:03

thought it was for us. Right.

29:05

So we thought we were a

29:07

little confused. We still were not

29:09

under warning, but we were going

29:11

around telling our neighbors, look, there's

29:14

a fire. Did you guys know?

29:16

And a few of them knew.

29:18

Our next door neighbor, we knock

29:20

on her on their door. And

29:22

there you know, you could tell

29:24

they. We got them up from

29:26

the couch, you know? You know,

29:28

they're tucked in for the night.

29:30

She was like, oh no, I

29:32

was like, did you guys hear

29:34

about the fire? And she said,

29:36

no, it's my birthday. We've been

29:38

not looking at the news and,

29:40

you know, I had put my

29:42

phone away. We're like, well, happy

29:44

birthday and also sorry, there's a

29:46

fire you should know about this.

29:48

And so kind of just making

29:50

sure like people on our block

29:52

and like around us were aware

29:54

that there was a fire especially

29:56

Elderly yeah, we have got two

29:58

doors down mr. Willie who is

30:00

a great guy, just he's an

30:02

older guy, you know, he's not downloading

30:04

the watch app, so. No, he

30:06

doesn't have a cell phone, we

30:09

found out, because Chris tried

30:11

to get his number just

30:13

in case. So, now, so he, we

30:15

just told him, he was like, I

30:17

got a plan. Yeah, his son is

30:19

in a wheelchair, and so we were

30:21

like making sure that he had

30:24

help, right? Yeah. And he was all

30:26

set, you know, he was, but, but

30:28

yeah, so. In terms of the packing

30:31

stuff too, just circle back to

30:33

your question Amanda. You know, one

30:35

of the things like in reflecting

30:37

on this was like, you don't really,

30:40

it's hard to like anticipate

30:42

what your mental state is

30:44

gonna be when you're kind

30:46

of packing like that. I

30:48

remember just feeling frazzled, yeah, like

30:50

Rebecca said, and just kind of

30:52

like, you know, not sure what to

30:54

grab. And I took a few items

30:57

of. that will be utilitarian, like

30:59

underwear socks kind of thing. And

31:01

I also took a few personal

31:03

value items, like I have this

31:06

blazer that's passed down from my

31:08

uncle and I have these bracelets

31:10

that my little nephew made and

31:13

I just made a shirt and

31:15

grabbed those. And then I was

31:17

like, I have three or four winter

31:19

coats and I grabbed the one I

31:22

like the most. Yeah. So I was

31:24

like you know you think about that

31:26

but like Rebecca said when when we

31:28

had time to reflect it was like

31:30

hard I don't know if there's like

31:32

an alarmist lesson in here, but like

31:35

maybe there's a Notes app you can

31:37

make or something like a list of

31:39

things to pack in the case of

31:41

an emergency, like, or if you have

31:43

a few five minutes to pack, you

31:45

know, think about it ahead of time,

31:47

because there were hard drives that

31:49

we left in the garage. I

31:51

left photos. Which I, yeah, photos,

31:53

you know, that kind of thing.

31:56

Somebody said the three P's, papers,

31:58

photos, and people, people. Passport,

32:00

right? And photos and passports or

32:02

whatever. That's part of papers. Papers

32:04

or whatever, yeah. Yeah. I've seen

32:07

the list like that floating around

32:09

since the fires happen, but it

32:11

makes you go like, oh, this

32:13

is why you should be organized.

32:15

So like all your valuables are

32:18

in like one box that you

32:20

can just pull down because it's

32:22

like, we have a lot of

32:24

our stuff stored like up in

32:26

the attic. So we weren't necessarily

32:29

going to pull any of that

32:31

down, you know, so it does

32:33

make you think like, like, like,

32:35

like, like, like, keep at least

32:38

a few things in a little

32:40

bin in your closet that you

32:42

can quickly grab quickly grab. I

32:44

while we were outside with neighbors

32:46

and this is the last thing

32:49

my ring camera recorded in front

32:51

of our house was I had

32:53

we had left the house locked

32:55

up and then we were talking

32:57

to neighbors and then while I

33:00

was talking to them I realized

33:02

I forgot my Dyson hair dryer

33:04

which I have which is like

33:06

probably actually the most expensive thing

33:08

I own. And I ran back

33:11

into the house. I grabbed just

33:13

for the dice. And so the

33:15

last thing the camera caught was

33:17

me leaving my house fleeing the

33:20

fire with my dice. And your

33:22

hair looks great. It looks really

33:24

good. I would never know you've

33:26

just survived a huge disaster. Insert

33:28

Dyson ad here. Yeah, it felt

33:31

like you guys were packing for

33:33

like an inconvenient day or two

33:35

of not being able to get

33:37

back to your house because there

33:39

was an evacuation order, not because

33:42

there would be decimated home after

33:44

home. Right. So that night was,

33:46

we were stressed because we could

33:48

see the fire from Clayton's house

33:51

and We could smell the smoke,

33:53

we could see the smoke, we

33:55

could see the smoke, but we

33:57

all kind of decided to go

33:59

to bed and you know, I

34:02

had my phone on. next to

34:04

me. And, uh, you could see

34:06

the glow of the fire from

34:08

our terrorists, which seems scary because

34:10

it's even further away from us,

34:13

but it still felt like that

34:15

was like a mountain problem, not

34:17

a neighborhood problem. Yeah. But as

34:19

the night was progressing, the evacuation

34:22

orders kept going farther east and

34:24

east and we're on the west

34:26

side. So we felt okay. I

34:28

mean, it was still very scary

34:30

because it was still very, very

34:33

close and you know. those were

34:35

those are also like heavily populated

34:37

areas but in my mind I

34:39

was like this is going to

34:41

stay on the mountain as other

34:44

fires have in the past they

34:46

all just stay on the mountain

34:48

and it's horrible and it really

34:50

burns all the vegetation but it

34:53

doesn't ever go down to like

34:55

no but but I will say

34:57

Matt Mike and I looked at

34:59

each other I remember so distinctly

35:01

that night and we said to

35:04

each other I was like if

35:06

the winds are going to keep

35:08

up the way they are right

35:10

now, this fire is going to

35:12

explode. You know what I mean?

35:15

Like, and he was like, yeah,

35:17

that's what I think too. And

35:19

like, I just remember, because the

35:21

calculus of that is just, was

35:24

just so simple to me that

35:26

it was just like the fire

35:28

was going at this rate and

35:30

the wind was so intense that

35:32

there was just like no way

35:35

to stop it. No. And it

35:37

was going to spread so far

35:39

and so fast, which is... And

35:41

that's how we went to bed

35:43

with a glow in the background.

35:46

Our house was creaking and shaking.

35:48

The winds were really intense and

35:50

it was like we just got

35:52

to wait until tomorrow. Yeah. And

35:54

then the next thing that happens,

35:57

it's 3.30 a.m. And I get

35:59

a very loud alert on my

36:01

phone that says it's time to

36:03

evacuate. It's at 3.30 and I

36:06

was like so glad I was

36:08

so glad I was not home

36:10

at that time right because I

36:12

can't imagine the fear and panic

36:14

that all of our neighbors went

36:17

through at that time. And that's

36:19

when I knew that this was

36:21

bad because this whole time, the

36:23

wind had been taking the fire

36:25

up the mountain to the east.

36:28

But if they were evacuating our

36:30

area, which was on the west

36:32

side, it meant that something had

36:34

turned. The wind had changed. something

36:37

was going on and well the

36:39

next morning it was all it

36:41

was like everyone's worst nightmare yeah

36:43

the next morning we wake up

36:45

and it's all terrible yeah there's

36:48

um there's incoming like all I

36:50

remember was the night was filled

36:52

with like incoming notifications from our

36:54

ring app and our and our

36:56

that that watch duty watch duty

36:59

app all night just beep beep

37:01

and amber alerts whatever and like

37:03

it was a restless night i

37:05

remember Clayton has in his guest

37:08

room and all around the house

37:10

he's on the sort of house

37:12

on the edge of this like

37:14

ravine and there are these big

37:16

beautiful glass like doors and windows

37:19

and I just remember the smoke

37:21

like penetrating through these triple glass

37:23

windows and they were shaking too

37:25

the glass was shaking yeah so

37:27

just was just like plumes of

37:30

smoke like entering into the house

37:32

through like the cracks of these

37:34

doors so it was like this

37:36

crazy restless night where and you

37:39

know that we find out in

37:41

the morning that that was smoke

37:43

from the Eaton Canyon Fire which

37:45

had started to consume altadena. And

37:47

when we woke up that morning,

37:50

I'll never forget, it was orange.

37:52

It was like the skies were,

37:54

it felt like we had woken

37:56

up in a active war zone.

37:58

You couldn't see the sky. It

38:01

was smoky. The sun was like

38:03

had that orange glow trying to

38:05

get through everything and it felt

38:07

really like a very different energy.

38:09

Matt woke me up at like 6

38:12

a.m. and miraculously Glenn slept through the

38:14

night that night. It was normal. She

38:16

does not. So she's like sleeping best

38:18

sleep of her life. And he was

38:20

like the fire is getting closer to

38:22

the freeway, which is like the thing

38:24

that divides. Pasadena and he's like I

38:26

think we should go because the there

38:28

was like a pre-vac zone and an

38:30

evac zone and the pre-vac zone was

38:32

like we were like I don't know

38:34

like under a mile from the pre-vac zone

38:37

and we thought it's just going to

38:39

keep creeping down and never ended up

38:41

getting to our area thank God but

38:43

we just spent the next couple hours

38:46

like packing up our cars because at

38:48

this point we were like holy shit

38:50

like it's it's destroying Altadena

38:52

and like very concerned for you

38:55

guys and our other friends who

38:57

live in Altadena. So yeah, we

38:59

ended up packing up and we

39:01

just like looked it down to Long

39:03

Beach that afternoon because the air

39:06

was so horrible. It was horrible.

39:08

So yeah, we went to my

39:10

moms in Long Beach. Yeah, and Clayton

39:12

Mike, you guys packed a bag because

39:15

we were like, well, we packed it

39:17

back that morning park. Yeah, we woke

39:19

up and Mike was like, okay. on

39:21

the border of like a evacuation zone. So

39:23

it was like we're still kind of like, you

39:25

know, be ready, but like it wasn't mandatory,

39:28

but Mike was like, we got to pack

39:30

something. And I, you know, Krista, like your

39:32

earlier point, felt weird. I was like, of course,

39:34

we're going to pack, but I felt like

39:36

kind of like stubbornly resistant to wanting to

39:39

do that exercise. Not because I was like,

39:41

it's not a threat, but it was just

39:43

like, I don't want to like. It felt

39:45

like acknowledging how real this was getting

39:47

in a way. So like in like

39:49

obviously I did it and we had

39:51

a pack bag ready to go but

39:53

I didn't like having to go through

39:55

that exercise it felt like emotionally heavier

39:57

than it felt like it should have

39:59

you know. Totally yeah so I mean

40:01

at that point I was like

40:04

yeah asking you guys to leave

40:06

again you had just come to

40:08

our house I'm like hey guys

40:10

where do we go and we

40:13

were looking remember we were all

40:15

looking for hotels to like go

40:17

to just in case we were

40:19

gonna go to Long Beach or

40:21

somewhere like that yes and at

40:24

that point I felt like I

40:26

was starting not to have a

40:28

nervous breakdown but I was an

40:30

anxious mess because we were you

40:33

know we're starting to look at

40:35

the news we're watching the news

40:37

and at one point I think

40:39

this was around like 10 in

40:42

the morning they start to air

40:44

the news from the corner of

40:46

our house yes like from the

40:48

corner of our block and they

40:50

they kept saying our cross streets

40:53

right and I was like it

40:55

was on fire And they were,

40:57

they were, I will never forget

40:59

because they were on your corner,

41:02

which is like six houses away,

41:04

and they were facing south, so

41:06

they weren't facing the direction of

41:08

your house. And it was, everything

41:11

was on fire. Yeah. But there

41:13

was still that kind of like

41:15

weird hope of like, well, maybe

41:17

they'll turn around in the northern

41:20

side of the street, won't look

41:22

like that, you know, but like,

41:24

it was insane. That they were

41:26

on your corner, like, these are

41:28

the. Yeah, these are the corners.

41:31

This is the house. These were

41:33

the houses that we walk our

41:35

dogs by every single day and

41:37

I could recognize these houses. I

41:40

was like, oh my God, that's

41:42

so-and-so's house. Oh my God. And

41:44

then our neighbor, one of our

41:46

front door neighbors is interviewed by

41:49

the news by KTLA News and

41:51

we're like, oh my God, that's

41:53

him. And he had stayed back

41:55

to try and save houses and

41:57

he goes and I just remember

42:00

him saying I was trying to

42:02

save my neighbor's house. I tried

42:04

to use the water from his

42:06

pool, but it was too late.

42:09

It was gone. It's gone. and

42:11

he goes it's time for me

42:13

to go and I know what

42:15

neighbor he's talking about because there's

42:18

only one neighbor on our block

42:20

who has a pool on and

42:22

that's two doors down from us

42:24

so was this the first point

42:26

where you were going like it's

42:29

it could be gone all of

42:31

it or that morning where you

42:33

I was for sure no that

42:35

was the moment when I saw

42:38

our neighbor on the news saying

42:40

that he was calling it I

42:42

was like, it's over that our

42:44

house is gone. Yeah, we were

42:47

pretty well certain. It was gone

42:49

at that point. To your point,

42:51

Amanda, before that, I was like,

42:53

I think we're gonna be okay.

42:55

We're really far south and west.

42:58

You know, we're gonna be, maybe

43:00

our neighborhood is gonna be hit.

43:02

But when we saw KTLA on

43:04

the corner where we were at,

43:07

I was like, there's just no

43:09

way. I mean, there's just no

43:11

way our house survives. Yeah, this

43:13

is an amazing twist. That is,

43:16

like, for the record books, Rebecca

43:18

gets a call. So we're sitting

43:20

with this information for, I would

43:22

say, a few hours. Oh yeah,

43:25

we had been, there had been

43:27

crying at this point. There had

43:29

been big emotion, lots of anxiety.

43:31

It was a high stress environment

43:33

of four people and, I've dogs.

43:36

Oh my God, yeah. The dog's

43:38

just picking up on all the

43:40

other things. Totally, totally. And then

43:42

I get a call from someone

43:45

in the production office at work.

43:47

And I was like, that's weird.

43:49

Why would they be calling us

43:51

me right now? All of Los

43:54

Angeles knows that there's a disaster

43:56

happening. Like, why would work call?

43:58

And then they call again. I

44:00

sent it to voicemail and then

44:02

they call again. And then they

44:05

call again. I sent it to

44:07

voicemail and then they call again.

44:09

And then they call up this

44:11

time. and it's someone from the

44:14

production office who says there There's

44:16

a man at your house and

44:18

he's trying to save your car.

44:20

And I was like, what? And

44:23

he says, I don't know. He

44:25

said that he got my number

44:27

from your work badge. that I

44:29

had left inside my car. So

44:31

in order for us to go

44:34

into work, I have a vehicle

44:36

pass and it has, it doesn't

44:38

have my phone number on it.

44:40

It has the production office phone

44:43

number. So he said, do you

44:45

want me to patch you through?

44:47

And Rebecca said, yes. So before

44:49

we know it, we're on the

44:52

phone and on the other line

44:54

is a guy who's at our

44:56

house near our car, near our

44:58

house. and is saying that our

45:01

car is still there and that

45:03

our house is still there. But

45:05

he's trying to save it. He's

45:07

trying to move my car. He

45:09

wanted me to like turn it.

45:12

You know how some people can

45:14

turn on their cars from their

45:16

phone? He wanted me to turn

45:18

on their cars from their phone.

45:21

He wanted me to turn it

45:23

on so that he could move

45:25

it. Put it out into the

45:27

street where it's less likely to

45:30

catch fire. in flames on fire.

45:32

And this guy proceeds to you

45:34

know we're like exchanging texts with

45:36

him but what he proceeds to

45:38

do is using because the hoses

45:41

using hoses and when the hoses

45:43

went out using three gallon water

45:45

jugs which we have delivered to

45:47

our house and we use for

45:50

for water which I just out

45:52

of laziness left out on our

45:54

front porch, using those jugs and

45:56

a gift Amanda got for us,

45:59

which is a sub-zero. thermus like

46:01

a large thermus like for a

46:03

kid soccer match that you like

46:05

with the spout which was which

46:07

was a weird gift gift for

46:10

me for my birthday yeah I love

46:12

to give gifts he proceeded

46:14

to pour the water from

46:16

the water jugs into the

46:18

sub-zero cooler and douse out

46:20

the fire that was around

46:22

our house approaching our house

46:25

one was on in our shed

46:27

which is right behind our garage

46:29

And another was our gate on

46:31

the left side on the north

46:33

side of our house that was

46:35

connecting to the house that burned

46:37

down. So the house that was

46:39

currently that was on fire at

46:41

the time he did this. So

46:43

this good Samaritan who we've since

46:45

been in contact and is very

46:48

blase about the whole thing. He's

46:50

like, yeah, good timing. What can

46:52

you do? Really? Sir, you saved

46:54

our house. I know. We're indebted

46:56

to you. He basically saved our

46:58

house. And we think it was

47:00

because of his intervention and

47:03

around that time, which was

47:05

the afternoon, the winds started

47:08

to die down. The winds,

47:10

which were crazy the night

47:12

before and early that morning,

47:15

they kind of died down

47:17

by the afternoon. So the

47:19

embers weren't flying from house

47:21

to house like they were

47:23

for the first part of

47:25

the fire. Those two events

47:27

basically saved our home. Yeah.

47:29

It is so crazy. Crazy.

47:31

The chances of it. Yeah. I

47:33

remember you kind of put that

47:35

in a text because you were

47:38

like, we think we lost everything.

47:40

And then like later it was

47:42

like, our house is still there.

47:44

And I was like, have you

47:46

been? How do you know? And

47:48

Rebecca just writes like that

47:50

story, but like in four

47:53

sentences. And I was like,

47:55

what? Yeah. Like your house and

47:57

your neighbor's house are like the

47:59

only house. is still standing

48:01

right in your neighborhood?

48:03

So on our block

48:05

on our side of

48:07

the street it's just

48:09

those house two houses

48:11

yeah and one a

48:13

little further down who

48:15

lost the garage but

48:17

our you know on

48:19

our side like everything

48:21

it is it's hard

48:23

to explain how devastating

48:26

this is because We

48:28

are very friendly people and

48:30

after COVID, we kind of

48:33

made it, we just became

48:35

friends and friendly with all

48:37

of our neighbors. And so

48:39

we know everyone who lives

48:41

in all of these houses

48:43

and as we were going

48:45

down the block thinking of

48:47

every family who had totally

48:49

lost everything. It wasn't just

48:51

one block, it was, it's

48:53

all of the streets around

48:55

us. When, it's hard for

48:57

us to explain, it's like,

48:59

it is, our house is

49:01

one of the only houses

49:03

that is still there for

49:05

an unknown, it is an

49:07

unknown reason. It's, there's no

49:09

logic to it. Fire doesn't

49:11

care who you are. It

49:13

will. just go down the

49:15

block and take everything it

49:17

can and There are just

49:19

like these random houses that

49:21

it just skipped over Right,

49:23

that's what it feels like

49:25

when you're driving by there.

49:27

It's yeah, so it was

49:29

it was to like as

49:31

you Put it really well,

49:33

it was a lot of

49:35

you have this like feeling

49:38

of guilt you have this

49:40

feeling of relief You know

49:42

you have this feeling of

49:44

just heartbroken devastation for your

49:46

neighbors and your neighbor. which

49:48

is such a huge part

49:50

of who we are is

49:52

this is this neighborhood. We

49:54

love it up in Altadena.

49:56

It's like our little getaway

49:58

from LA like the wild

50:00

LA you know what I

50:02

mean with all that that

50:04

comes with and you love

50:06

it because the people are

50:08

like they're just great people

50:10

there like there it's a

50:12

diverse group of people generationally

50:14

racially it's just a but

50:16

everyone's just Sweet as can

50:18

be, it's very artsy too.

50:20

There's a lot of like

50:22

visual artists. There's a lot

50:24

of people who are like

50:26

crew members within the industry.

50:28

It's working class, you know,

50:30

it's everything. There's just so

50:32

many wonderful people there. And

50:34

this is why we love

50:36

it so much. So like

50:38

when we found out our

50:40

house had survived, like we

50:43

were so relieved. and like

50:45

there was this tremendous relief

50:47

but at the same point

50:49

there was this like heartache

50:51

yeah that was like why

50:53

us why did this happen

50:55

to us and also like

50:57

what is a house in

50:59

a neighborhood that no longer

51:01

exists like what's the point

51:03

of a house in a

51:05

neighborhood in the neighborhood where

51:07

there's no neighborhood there so

51:09

all of those feelings were

51:11

like and we're still dealing

51:13

with those feelings but that

51:15

was part of the kind

51:17

of soup of feelings that

51:19

we were kind of going

51:21

through as this was sort

51:23

of unfolding. I think this

51:25

might actually be a really

51:27

good place to stop because

51:29

yeah I remember learning your

51:31

house survived and I was

51:33

like thank God so relieved

51:35

and then I think together

51:37

everyone in your position and

51:39

everyone surrounding them started to

51:41

realize like it's actually not

51:43

so clear cut their is

51:45

a lot now that you're

51:48

having to deal with. it's

51:50

really the aftermath of this

51:52

disaster. And there's people who

51:54

have houses who are miraculously

51:56

saved who are going to

51:58

have to just tear down

52:00

their houses. So there's now

52:02

a lot now to discuss

52:04

about like where you're at

52:06

now and the steps that

52:08

you're gonna have to take

52:10

moving forward and like everyone

52:12

in your position. So maybe

52:14

that would be something you

52:16

guys can discuss on Thursday

52:18

along with the Q&A. Thank

52:20

you guys for being so

52:22

open about that. It's all

52:24

still so fresh, but I

52:26

just know that the alarm

52:28

is like so grateful for

52:30

you for giving them such

52:32

a thorough update because you've

52:34

been top of everyone's mind.

52:36

I'm certain of. And I

52:38

think there's also something to

52:40

be said just for posterity.

52:42

I mean, you, we have

52:44

all, but specifically you guys

52:46

being in the eye of

52:48

the storm, have just lived

52:50

through a true disaster. And

52:53

it's hard to even understand

52:55

that right now because it's

52:57

like less than a month

52:59

ago, not it was like

53:01

three weeks ago. I don't

53:03

know. I don't even know

53:05

we're also disoriented. But yeah,

53:07

I think there's something to

53:09

be said for kind of

53:11

like going through the timeline,

53:13

you know, as you start

53:15

to come to terms with

53:17

this. So I hope that

53:19

you feel good about sharing

53:21

all of that with your

53:23

listeners, because if anyone's going

53:25

to. empathize. It's this community

53:27

that you created. Yeah. Yeah,

53:29

I think that we're, I

53:31

think a part of me

53:33

is still in shock. And

53:35

I think in a few

53:37

years after, hopefully our community

53:39

is back, you know, we're

53:41

gonna look back on this

53:43

and maybe even listen to

53:45

this and be like, oh

53:47

my God, they had no

53:49

idea what was in store.

53:51

You know, you know. Well,

53:53

thanks for being here with

53:55

us now. I'm just like

53:58

kind of like talking about

54:00

it out. witness and listen

54:02

and ask questions. Thanks for

54:04

letting me hold space. Okay,

54:06

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