0:04

Steve. Yes. We've got

0:06

some really cool stuff coming up today.

0:08

What is it? So we're talking

0:10

all about reasons why you're not getting

0:12

better. And despite everything you're trying.

0:14

So we're going to go into things

0:16

like underlying genetic factors or underlying,

0:19

you know, infections or mindset. Mindset

0:21

is a really big one. So really

0:23

cool stuff. So stay tuned and you'll learn

0:25

a lot. Can't wait. Okay. Hey

0:28

guys, welcome to the ATP project. You're with

0:30

your hosts, Steve and Nick. How are you,

0:32

Nick? I'm good, Steve. How are you? Good, good.

0:35

I'm to ask you a question. Yeah. Have you

0:37

ever been to the doctor? Yes. And

0:39

a little bit, a little bit hypothetical. And

0:41

whatever was tried on you didn't work. Yes.

0:45

Really? Well, in a hypothetical world,

0:47

because I don't do prescription

0:49

medications. But it's like, isn't that the

0:51

most common story you've ever heard

0:54

that I went to the doctor, the

0:56

naturopath, the physio, the chiro, the, you

0:59

name it? and that didn't

1:01

help me. Or I've seen

1:03

so many doctors and practitioners and

1:05

health professionals over the years

1:07

and nobody can help me. Yeah.

1:09

Or, oh, my mate takes this drug

1:12

and it works for him and not for me and

1:14

I've got the same thing and all this sort of

1:16

stuff. It's just the most common story. Yeah, I see

1:18

it all the time in clinic. And you are

1:20

in clinic, so Nicole Brown Natropathy. You

1:22

can Google Nicole Brown Natropathy and there

1:24

you are and you see people every

1:26

day and In my day, when I

1:28

used to see clients, luckily there's that

1:30

anymore. We're just

1:32

talking about that. But you often

1:35

see them after they've seen their

1:37

doctor. Yeah. And do you see

1:39

that very commonly? Yeah. And also after

1:41

they've seen 10 other naturopaths. Okay.

1:43

So what we're getting at here and

1:45

the name of today's podcast is why

1:47

are you not getting better despite doing

1:49

all the quote Right things

1:51

because doctors not idiots. We're

1:53

not idiots chiropractors physios. They're

1:55

all very highly skilled people

1:57

in their own area and

1:59

typically, you know, you will go

2:01

and see a chiropractor for a

2:04

back thing the experts in back

2:06

and sometimes it doesn't help. We

2:08

are treating people, you know, lifestyle

2:10

ways and sometimes that doesn't help.

2:12

So yeah, the premise is If you're

2:14

not getting better, what could some of the

2:16

reasons be? If you're trying everything, you think

2:18

you've tried everything. You've seen everybody

2:20

under the sun, nobody can help you, which

2:23

is a red flag in itself, let me say. If

2:26

I have clients come to clinic

2:28

and they've said, I've seen every

2:30

naturopath you can ever imagine to

2:32

try everything. I've tried everything. I've

2:34

seen 10 naturopaths, 20 years. That

2:36

can be a red flag because,

2:38

okay, so what is it that

2:41

Everybody's missing because not every Nachbat that

2:43

every doctor can be missing not every

2:45

one of them can miss something so

2:47

there's some underlying things so Absolutely, and I

2:49

guess the first thing we have to say

2:51

before we get into these real causes

2:53

is that what we're seeing is human beings

2:55

Yes, human beings can be mistaken. Yes,

2:57

and you know going back to my story

2:59

and I don't talk about self too

3:01

much, but When I was 20, I

3:04

was misdiagnosed a lot before I found out

3:06

I had ankylosing spinalitis, but there was a

3:08

mystery before that. Yeah, I woke up in

3:10

the morning and my back was sore. What

3:12

could that be? Absolutely everything, the day before

3:14

I was surfing. So I went to the

3:16

doctor and the doctor gave me a few

3:18

painkillers and gave me the week of work. And

3:20

it was on a Sunday and my back was

3:22

really hurting, but it was sort of weird pain.

3:24

And it's like, I can't remember hurting myself, but

3:26

I'm 20, whatever. And so then I was on

3:28

the couch for a day or two, my back

3:30

still aching and then my foot bloody swelled up

3:32

and I was feeling really sick and these were

3:34

swelling up and I went to the hospital and

3:36

I was diagnosed as having a spider bite. Spider

3:39

bite? Spider bite. Redback, by the

3:41

way. They said redback. So my

3:43

foot was swollen. It was red

3:45

and swollen, veiny and disgusting. They

3:48

just soak it in ice. And then, you know,

3:50

I had all these x -rays and tests and they couldn't

3:52

find anything wrong with this. They said have a shower and

3:54

they had to go and it was on the Friday I

3:56

was leaving the hospital. I was only there for three or

3:58

four days and passed out in the shower because of the pain

4:00

and dragged out of the shower and put in

4:02

the wheelchair and wheeled off. And then the next

4:04

day I came back to an outpatient there and

4:06

someone said, oh shit, something's really wrong with you.

4:08

So I went up to the Alfred Hospital in

4:10

Melbourne, the big hospital, and I was there for

4:12

five weeks. And they found out it was wrong

4:15

with me and it was AS. And you know,

4:17

but it was like, you know, you could treat

4:19

me for a spider bite or a back strain,

4:21

but it had nothing to do with that. No.

4:23

And so You know, human beings and naturopaths

4:25

do it and chyros do it. Everyone does

4:28

it where you are misdiagnosed. So that can

4:30

be a reason why you're not being better.

4:32

You're given the wrong medication, the wrong herbs,

4:34

the wrong treatment, whatever it is. So that's

4:36

the first one. But there are other ones

4:38

here and you've got some great ones here.

4:40

The first one is an undiagnosed root cause. Yes.

4:43

So, so as you said, you

4:45

could miss the, because obviously natural medicine,

4:47

we won't buy the root cause. Look,

4:49

it can sometimes be quite difficult to find

4:52

and you might have to go through a

4:54

lot of different stages to find it. So,

4:56

but there is always a reason for everything.

4:58

There's no reason. So the whole, the whole

5:00

term idiopathic, which they use a lot in

5:02

the medical profession. They

5:04

don't know, that's what it means,

5:06

unknown cause. But there's always a

5:08

cause, nothing happens for no reason. So,

5:11

and I have some of the things that are

5:13

here in clients as well, maybe it's just the

5:15

way it is, just is. I'm like, well, there's always

5:17

a reason, you know, it can't just happen for

5:19

no reason. So finding the root

5:21

cause is always really important and it can be

5:23

quite difficult to find. And if you have

5:25

a very challenging chronic case, someone has been sick

5:27

for a long time, It can be harder

5:29

to find. So that can

5:31

be part of it. A

5:34

classic idiopathic one is

5:36

idiopathic hypertension. High

5:38

blood pressure. For no reason.

5:40

No reason. There is a reason. We

5:43

were talking about this yesterday. We

5:45

don't know everything that's going on in the human body.

5:47

We're discovering new things every day. I believe we

5:49

know maybe 2 % of what the body

5:51

goes on in the body biochemically and what

5:53

the body can do. And

5:56

we're learning more and more every day,

5:58

but we still know like nothing compared

6:00

to what's there. So, you know, we

6:02

can't expect that giving something one,

6:04

one nutrient, one herb is going to,

6:06

you know, solve everybody's problems. So

6:08

for a lot of people, if it's

6:10

very complex. So, so yeah, the

6:12

body has a lot of complexities. We

6:14

just don't know yet. And how

6:17

many mild things you get like, let's

6:19

say I get a headache or a

6:21

gut ache, which everyone gets. And

6:23

I've got a headache, so like,

6:25

what's causing that? Everyone just goes, yeah,

6:27

it's a paracetamol deficiency. Here you go.

6:29

And it's not. Yeah. But

6:31

that's what, that's, we don't, we just sort of got this

6:33

pain in our head and we go, what's

6:36

causing that? Yeah. No one even really, have you

6:38

drunk enough water? Are you stressed? Yeah. I

6:40

mean, I say, I don't get headaches very often, but if I

6:42

do, I'm like, what a headache. And my partner's like, yeah, well,

6:44

whatever. I'm like, yeah, but I don't know why. And

6:46

he goes, we'll have some PANIDOL. I'm like, yeah, but

6:48

that doesn't tell me why. I want to know why

6:50

I have a headache. You're a scientist like me. It's

6:53

like, you've got to work your

6:55

way back. But yeah, so we're

6:57

going to look at some of

6:59

the reasons why possibly your health

7:01

is not improving despite what possibly

7:03

you're doing to it. to get there. And

7:06

there's quite a few reasons. What's

7:08

one of the classic undiagnosed root causes

7:10

that could be causing something like fatigue

7:12

or, you know, considering it's tired? What's

7:15

some of those underlying root causes? So

7:17

chronic infections is really, is

7:19

becoming more and more prevalent.

7:21

And I think a few

7:24

reasons. One, modern

7:26

world is, you know, it's weakening everybody's

7:28

immune system. So they're more prone

7:30

to get these infections. And

7:33

two, We have more ability

7:35

to test for these than we used

7:37

to, so we're seeing more of it,

7:39

but we also have better testing abilities

7:41

now, so therefore we can identify these

7:43

things, whereas maybe 10 years ago we

7:45

couldn't. So I think that might be a few of the reasons

7:47

why we're seeing more of it. Absolutely. I

7:49

mean, getting to the cause of

7:51

something, I remember the testing in

7:53

the last, say, 100 years has

7:55

exponentially grown, and we

7:57

go back 100 years ago to 1925,

8:01

penicillin hadn't been invented then.

8:04

Insulin hadn't been invented. But

8:06

it's around then, about 100 years. And

8:09

so testing is like, let's

8:12

say you've got a fever. It's caused

8:14

by what they say in the old

8:17

days, too much melancholy or something. We

8:19

didn't know about the germ theory until

8:21

recently, but you're absolutely right. And now

8:23

we can test for antibodies to some

8:25

bugs, like Epstein -Barbara, Slimesies. And

8:27

still, but it takes someone

8:29

to suspect that, to test it. So

8:31

if you've got a chronic fatigue syndrome,

8:33

it's associated with Epstein -Barr virus. I

8:36

mean, if you're fatigued, people go, oh, I'm

8:38

feeling really tired. It's like, get over

8:40

it, have coffee, caffeine, pep up. You

8:42

know, but the other thing is that

8:44

you sleep. Yeah, I slept. I just

8:46

couldn't sleep and people are tired. But

8:48

why they can't sleep and this could

8:50

be just underlying infection. It could well

8:52

be and you know, we have a lot

8:54

of envelope viruses out there. So then

8:56

the envelope virus is a virus that hides.

8:58

Yes, it evades the immune system. So

9:00

when you're well and you know, you're not

9:02

overworked and under. rested and all that

9:04

sort of thing and your body's working quite

9:06

well, then you don't, you feel okay.

9:08

But then if you get a bit run

9:10

down, that's when these viruses, they're more

9:12

opportunistic. So then they'll come out. when your

9:14

body's not as resilient, and

9:16

then they'll do more damage, and then they disappear

9:19

again. So that's why they're envelope because they hide.

9:22

And they're things like your Epstein -Barr virus, your Herpes

9:24

viruses, all those types of things. And

9:26

look, it's so common for people to have

9:28

these viruses up to 50 % to 60 % of

9:31

the population have, I think, a bit more

9:33

high. Oh, % something for herpes, yeah.

9:35

Herpes, yeah. So that

9:37

can be something that could be a

9:39

problem for you that's just being missed,

9:42

or a parasite. know,

9:44

parasitic infection, they can create

9:46

nutrient deficiencies, fatigue, and sometimes

9:48

mental health issues, all sorts

9:50

of stuff going on. And

9:52

unless you're specifically getting tested for parasites,

9:55

and even some parasites, if you go to

9:57

the doctor and get a parasite panel

9:59

done for a stool test, they don't

10:01

test for all of them. So,

10:03

you know, you might be missing.

10:05

So that is one possible underlying reason

10:07

why you're not getting better. So you

10:09

might be, you know, having little improvements

10:11

and then going backwards and having more

10:14

improvements and going backwards again. So,

10:16

checking for underlying infections, chronic infections

10:18

and things can be something. Yeah,

10:21

a chronic infection in the gut

10:23

can screw your head. No way. know.

10:25

Amazingly. And I have clients that

10:27

come to me that have had gut

10:29

issues for 10 years, maybe longer. They've

10:32

never had stool analysis done. They've

10:34

never had their microbiome or their gut

10:36

health looked at. Obviously, testing now

10:38

is a lot better. They've never

10:40

had any of that done. I'm like, well, that would

10:42

be the first thing you'd look at. You know, so

10:44

it would in our world. But like,

10:46

you know, in the world of,

10:48

oh, let's take my disease, for

10:50

example, the ankylosing and spondylizing. It's an

10:52

arthritis. So you go to a rheumatologist. But

10:55

now we know it's caused by a stool

10:57

bug. Yeah. So shouldn't you go to a

10:59

gastroenterologist for your rheumatology? Yeah. And it doesn't

11:01

make sense. GP goes, it's a

11:03

bit weird. OK, we'll send you to a rheumatologist

11:05

because it's a rheumatic disease. Does

11:08

that person check for Klebsiella in

11:10

the gut? No, it's

11:13

like they give you a monoclonal antibody to

11:15

knock out interleukin -17 because that's high and that'll

11:17

get rid of that. And so that's the best

11:19

way we can manage it. But what's the question?

11:21

And that's the key word is managed. They're

11:23

not treating the underlying cause. They're managing the symptoms.

11:25

Absolutely. So that's why, you know, people who

11:27

get in that pipeline, they go to see the

11:29

doctor. And I actually did a post on

11:32

this in Instagram the other day. They might go

11:34

to see the doctor because they have some

11:36

mental health issues. So they will go

11:38

on the doctor, put them on an antidepressant. And

11:40

then the antidepressant gives them maybe some sort of gut

11:42

issue. So they go back to the doctor, oh, God, it's

11:44

gut issue. So then they put them on a PPI. So

11:47

the PPI, you know, reduces your stomach acids

11:49

and creates an infection. So then they go,

11:51

well, you need to go on an antibiotic

11:53

now. So then you go on an antibiotic

11:55

and then you're on that. And then you end up with kidney

11:57

issues. So they're, oh, well now I've got to go on a, you

11:59

know, ACE inhibitor or something like that. And

12:02

it goes down the line and they went in there for one

12:04

thing. And suddenly three four five years

12:06

down the track they're chronically ill because of all

12:08

these different things and that's that can be

12:10

the bit of the pipeline or you know you

12:12

go to see a specialist exactly like you

12:14

you rheumatologist so they put you on the medications

12:16

to you know suppressing immune system. And

12:18

then so then you have issues with

12:21

that so you're not actually addressing the initial

12:23

cause which could have. I

12:25

knew a lady once that's a friend

12:27

of my mom's and she had severe

12:29

rheumatoid arthritis and she she went the

12:31

orthodox route medical route the whole way

12:33

she never sort of looked at anything

12:35

holistic or looked for the underlying cause

12:37

and she was on so many steroids

12:39

and things over the years she got

12:41

to the point she went blind she

12:43

couldn't walk her joints was horrendous like

12:45

the steroids and she ended up dying

12:47

of a stroke whereas Not

12:49

saying that, you know, holistic medicine is the

12:52

key all the time. And yes, definitely

12:54

look for medical, you know, go medical route

12:56

as well and check that out and

12:58

go medications if you have to, but look

13:00

for the underlying cause. And so they get

13:02

stuck in that pipeline anyways, kind of

13:04

my point. And they end up a lot

13:06

iller than they would have been had

13:08

they not get stuck in that sort of

13:10

push down that, that sort of path

13:12

of medication over medication just to to,

13:15

you know, suppress the symptoms rather than

13:17

treat the actual underlying cause. Well, yeah, with

13:19

RA, rheumatoid arthritis, you can go on methotrexate,

13:21

suppress the immune system, corticosteroids, suppress your

13:24

immune system, and you can go on, you

13:26

know, non -steroidal anti -inflammatory, screws your kidneys.

13:28

I mean, this is all, this is all,

13:30

and look, if it was for two

13:32

or three days, fine, in

13:34

two or three years, which is what a lot

13:36

of people on RA doesn't often get better. Well,

13:38

I mean, and that's what they're told, and look,

13:40

the autoimmune conditions are not You

13:43

can put them into remission. You

13:45

always have to underline one. But you're

13:47

the classic example. You don't have

13:49

any... You still have an autoimmune condition,

13:51

but it's completely in remission. It's

13:53

completely... Or your symptoms are suppressed. You

13:56

know, if you went off and started having poor

13:58

diet and eclipsial levels came back up, it'd probably

14:00

flare again, right? Bet you a million bucks it

14:02

would. It's funny because my doctor said, oh, no,

14:04

they're used to associated with the HLA B27. I

14:06

say, yeah, I'm positive that she was... Well, and

14:08

she didn't, I didn't believe me. She retested me

14:10

for it. sure enough I'm positive for it. Yeah.

14:12

It's like, shit, still got it. And that's the whole

14:14

thing with the genes, right? Yeah. Just because you've

14:16

got the GNA profile does not necessarily mean you're going

14:18

to get the condition. And if you do, it

14:20

doesn't mean that's a death sentence. So you've got an

14:22

autoimmune condition, that's it. You better just be prepared

14:24

for the fact that you're going to be in medications

14:26

for the rest of your life. You probably will

14:28

only get worse and worse. And that's kind of what

14:30

people are told. I haven't taken an anti

14:32

-inflammatory or anything like that for

14:34

years. for years and you're

14:37

so active and yeah yeah I used to

14:39

swallow my lollies. I actually got a special

14:41

prescription from the government so I to have

14:43

nine a day because that you get there

14:45

was six boxes of in the methicin. mean

14:47

the methicin is an old drug it's now

14:49

used for gout and stuff but but it

14:51

was an anti -inflammatory around it the only

14:53

one but there was it was one of

14:55

them and yeah it was terrible for your

14:57

kidney. Never been

14:59

the same since and I think a bit of

15:01

a shocker other things that can go on is

15:03

and and we talk about this about is a

15:05

toxic load. Yeah, really common. So environmental

15:07

toxins, heavy metals things like that,

15:09

you know, plastics or forever chemicals

15:11

as they call them. So because

15:13

we're in a living in a

15:16

really toxic world, modern world is very

15:18

toxic. We're all taking in a lot

15:20

of toxins and things like that. So some

15:22

people more than others and then detoxification pathways,

15:24

which you can talk about. Yeah. If they're

15:26

impaired, a lot of people these they can't

15:28

get rid of these toxins, they build up. And

15:31

you know, if you come to see someone, they're

15:33

very specific tests to get heavy metal testing and things

15:35

like that. And a lot of, you know, doctors

15:37

and things, they don't do them. So

15:39

that can actually be possibly a reason why

15:41

they're treating all these things, but nothing's

15:43

really improving. You could have really high toxic

15:45

load that you really need to look

15:48

at. So that, that, and that can, that

15:50

can be really detrimental to your health long

15:52

term, having really bad, you

15:54

know, and, and, and it's, it's

15:56

quite amazing because You know,

15:58

detox is really, I don't

16:00

want to say only, but it's really

16:02

a naturopathic principle of use for you.

16:04

And it's funny because it seems to

16:06

work. Yeah, you're opening up all

16:08

the detox pathways. Of course, that allows

16:10

these toxins and everything to be eliminated. And

16:14

for people who don't sort of believe

16:16

in new toxins, there are toxins called

16:18

endotoxins that come out of here. That's right.

16:20

So yes, we're all heard of mercury and

16:22

all that sort of stuff, but these are

16:24

endotoxins from the gut. So you clear the

16:26

gut out and literally you feel better. Endotoxins

16:28

are what the things that drives

16:31

my immune system to be autoimmune. Yeah,

16:33

lipo -polysaccharides. Lipo

16:35

-polysaccharides, obviously, is

16:38

a big one. And even up until very

16:40

recently, leaky gut syndrome that we used to

16:42

treat in the 80s with Bernadjenssen and all

16:44

this sort of stuff, they are

16:46

now just realizing that that occurs. Doctors

16:49

were very skeptical that this even

16:51

happened and it's like, I struggled

16:53

with that because the gut leaks anyway. Because you

16:55

eat food, it leaks out proteins. why it has

16:57

to. It has to leak. it to get

16:59

your nutrients? Yeah, and if you think the gut,

17:01

your gut barrier is absolutely perfect and only allows

17:03

certain perfect nutrients, it doesn't work like that. It

17:05

doesn't work like that. It doesn't work like that.

17:07

You get to get the salts on your gut,

17:10

if you take, you know, in the medicine, it'll

17:12

destroy your gut and pieces. Yeah. Or

17:14

Neurofen, you know, these sorts of things, they have

17:16

side effects. Yeah. So yeah,

17:18

absolutely. So

17:20

yeah, food sensitivities can

17:22

be a big one, but

17:24

it comes back to, so

17:27

there's allergies, food allergies, which

17:30

are life -threatening. And then there's food

17:32

sensitivities, which is just to develop a sensitivity to

17:34

something. And that's because of an underlying issue with the

17:36

gut. It's not the food itself. So, you know,

17:38

I have people that come to me and say, well,

17:40

I can't eat this because I have food sensitivity

17:42

to this and to this. They have a list this

17:44

long. Yeah, but were you

17:46

Years ago, you know, so, oh

17:48

no, I could eat, I could eat whatever I wanted

17:51

back then. So it's something going on in the gut. So

17:53

unless you're getting your gut addressed, then,

17:55

then the food sensitivities

17:57

will continue. But, you know,

17:59

and some people aren't aware that they are reacting

18:01

to, and people can have sensitivities to food,

18:03

but it's not the food. It's fault. So

18:06

you don't, you treat the underlying cause and you

18:08

bring the food back in. But a lot of people

18:10

aren't aware of the food sensitivities that they have.

18:12

So histamines is a really common one. You

18:15

know, I just get real, I feel nauseous.

18:17

I get diarrhea. I can't sleep. I get anxious.

18:19

I'm like, you know, I can't pinpoint anything.

18:21

So, you know, I take foods out and nothing

18:23

changes and I put them back in. So

18:25

they, and histamines is a really difficult one because

18:27

your histamine load could be high for four or five

18:30

days. You've taken out the foods and you think,

18:32

well, I've had it up for five days, nothing's changed.

18:34

So I'll put it back in. boom, you know,

18:36

you get the reaction again. So it can be

18:38

very hard to sort of distinguish what you're

18:40

reacting to. It could be tyromes, it could be

18:42

salicylates, it could be, you know, there's

18:44

lots of different things. And so that can

18:46

be a really common one because you just aren't

18:48

aware of what it is that you are

18:50

reacting to because it can be quite hard to

18:52

identify. So you're trying all the different things.

18:54

You've done the gut protocol, but you haven't

18:56

really addressed the root cause or

18:59

you've tried all the different things

19:01

for anxiety or all the things that

19:03

come along with food sensitivities. But

19:05

if you don't identify the

19:07

actual sensitivity itself, then you're going

19:09

to continue to be. And the funny thing about,

19:11

say, histamine sensitivities, and people go, oh, got to

19:13

avoid histamine foods, some of them are actually healthy

19:16

for a lot of people. Most of the histamine

19:18

foods are healthy. Well, you know, like,

19:20

I think macadamias, because I know You

19:22

you've disclosed before you you have histamine, you

19:24

know issues. Yeah, and that's I think

19:26

so macadamia, but but there's armaments in that

19:28

you straight you You'd struggle with them.

19:30

I love them. Yeah, I don't have an

19:32

effect on me in the slightest. I

19:34

love my delusion Yeah, um, so so it's

19:36

just really the one man's foods on

19:38

the man poison and We also

19:40

just digress a little bit.

19:42

We have talked about the blood type

19:44

type before and there's something in that, you

19:46

know, people thought it's all BS and

19:48

No, there's something in it. And what it

19:50

is, we don't know at this stage,

19:52

but there's something there. We know

19:54

certain blood types have risks for

19:56

certain things and certain foods and

19:58

certain digestive systems. They're different. We did a

20:00

big podcast on it, so go back to that

20:03

one. And speaking of the

20:05

gut, I've got here cyber. Yeah,

20:07

this is really common. So small

20:10

intestinal bacterial overgrowth or small

20:12

intestinal fungal overgrowth or intestinal

20:14

methanogen overgrowth. They're all basically

20:16

overgrows in the small intestine. And

20:18

this is probably way more common

20:20

than people would think. And

20:23

it's very hard to pick up because

20:25

you have to do a specific test for

20:27

it. People say, well, I've had

20:29

a stool test done. I've had a colonoscopy

20:31

or an endoscopy. Nothing's showing up like, well,

20:33

you can't see in your small intestine. The

20:35

small intestine, just people know, is

20:37

between the large intestine and the

20:39

stomach. So you can look in your

20:41

stomach, you can look up. And you can

20:43

test the large intestine, that's when

20:45

you do a stool analysis, you're testing the microbiome

20:47

and the large intestine, not small. So

20:49

it can go undiagnosed for a long time,

20:51

if you're like, you know, a lot of

20:53

the symptoms can be, well, I can't lose

20:56

weight, or I have brain fog, or I

20:58

have joint pain, or I have extreme fatigue,

21:00

I have skin issues, like so many symptoms.

21:02

And like, I've tried everything, you know, I've

21:04

been treated for all these different things, but

21:06

nothing's changing. And a lot of times it

21:08

can be SIBO. Well, I

21:10

mean, let's say you have a terrible skin condition and

21:12

you go to your doctor, which is, you know, and the

21:14

doctor goes, oh, that's a bit weird. It's not

21:16

one of the common ones. Guess where they refer you? Not

21:19

to a gastroenterologist. Dermatologist.

21:22

He goes, ah, that's a weird

21:24

type of psoriasis. Yeah. What's causing

21:26

that, doc? I don't know, but here's

21:28

a great, this is Crames Good and it's

21:30

called Gasteroids. Crames great, keep that and then

21:32

go off and see what happens. Some sort

21:34

of immune suppressant, because it's an immune thing,

21:36

we know that. But why? Why is it

21:38

causing that? This is where we come in

21:41

and detectivise people and say, well, it could

21:43

be, if from here it got. Chances

21:45

are it does come from your gut. I

21:47

still remember the, you know, going back into the

21:49

90s, the old Bernard Jensen, you know, Irish

21:51

chart, then all just came from the gut. And

21:53

it's like, I thought, oh, is that real?

21:55

Is that happening? I had the fricking does. The

21:58

gut is so important for all sorts of things.

22:00

root of It's the of health, see. Exactly.

22:02

The the of health, sorry. So

22:04

yeah, so that, so SIBA really, really, really

22:07

common and you have to have a breath test to

22:09

actually diagnose SIBA or a biopsy, but no one's going to do

22:11

a biopsy, right? Yeah, you gotta get it. So

22:13

SIBO, breath testing is the next best

22:15

thing. So if you've tried everything and

22:17

nothing's working, I mean, it could be

22:20

SIBO. So that could be something that

22:22

you just not, not that somebody's missing.

22:24

Incredible. And you've got another one here

22:26

that I find very interesting here, emotional

22:28

or psychological causes or barriers to stop

22:30

you from getting better. Can we explain

22:32

that one a bit? So

22:34

trauma, past traumas is

22:36

actually more of a contributing factor

22:39

than people may think. So if

22:41

they've had a really significant trauma

22:43

in the past, they

22:45

could still be carrying a lot of that stress,

22:47

obviously. And although,

22:49

you know, less scientific trauma

22:51

does sit in the in

22:53

the tissue. And so

22:55

and there's something called familial

22:57

trauma, familial. So it's

23:00

passed down through generation traumas and things

23:02

like that. So this is a lot, a

23:04

lot more I guess woohoo, someone wants

23:06

to look at it like that. But we've

23:08

done podcasts on vagus nerve and limbic

23:10

system. And this is where this

23:12

comes in. So your limbic system can get stuck

23:14

in that fight, flight or freeze

23:16

from when you had the trauma. It could be two

23:18

years ago, it could be 20 years ago. And

23:21

so the body is still reacting

23:23

as if the trauma is still present.

23:25

And so everything that you're doing

23:27

to try and improve your health isn't

23:29

working because the underlying root cause

23:32

could be the trauma. And it's not.

23:34

been addressed. So that's where I

23:36

do recommend it relatively often in clinic

23:38

limbic retraining for people who have

23:40

just chronic conditions that we can't seem

23:42

to move past. And a

23:44

lot of them get really good results with

23:46

the limbic retraining because they're retraining

23:48

the brain to come back to the

23:50

present and be out of that sort of stuck in

23:52

that, that sort of loop of, it's

23:55

like PTSD essentially, same sort of

23:57

thing. So, so that's a really

23:59

That can be quite a significant underlying cause

24:02

as to why you're not getting better

24:04

is because you're not addressing trauma. And

24:06

some people might, you know, think, well,

24:08

I don't really had anything happen that

24:10

I could say is really traumatic. And

24:12

I'm, you know, something like I've said

24:14

to some people, they've uprooted their whole life

24:16

and moved to another country, left all their

24:18

family behind and their symptoms sort of started along

24:20

after that. It's like, well, how did you

24:22

feel about living or your family? I was devastated.

24:24

It's like grief. So it could be something

24:27

like that. It doesn't have to be a significant

24:29

physical trauma or, you know, anything like that. So

24:32

that could be a reason why you're not

24:34

getting better. Well, absolutely. And just

24:36

to make this a short

24:38

term thing, I think everybody would

24:40

understand that if let's say you

24:43

lose someone very close to you,

24:45

you're going to feel differently

24:47

for a long period of time,

24:49

digestion, you go off food,

24:51

things physiologically change. You don't just

24:53

feel funny, your body changes

24:55

dramatically to that trauma. So

24:57

that's a really good one. And

24:59

biochemically, of course, even if you raise

25:01

cortisol from a stressful event, that

25:03

changes your physiology. totally does. We're going to

25:06

talk about thoughts at the end, how

25:08

thoughts can change your physiology. That's

25:10

probably one of the biggest ones that I

25:12

see. But yeah, unresolved traumas

25:14

and things like emotional stresses and

25:16

things like that. really significantly

25:18

can impact your ability to heal. So

25:20

that could be something to look at

25:22

if you've tried all the diets and

25:24

the supplements and the herbs and the

25:26

drugs and everything. Nothing's working.

25:28

A lot of times it can be

25:31

unresolved trauma. Psychologists and psychiatrists

25:33

work on this area. It's a

25:35

whole area by itself, mental

25:37

health. And other problems of

25:39

mental health is minor people probably more familiar

25:41

with chronic stress. Yeah, chronic stress. Again

25:43

really really common and you know you're treating

25:45

somebody and they're not getting better but they're

25:47

not addressing their stress and we've talked about

25:49

this so many times in clinic. They think

25:51

I can't do anything about that or I'm

25:53

just it's not the stress it's I

25:55

can manage the stress I don't feel that

25:57

stress even though I'm working in 12

26:00

hour days and this is happening and that's happening

26:02

on a single parent I've got you know money's

26:04

a problem but I can deal with it

26:06

all. Well you might be able to deal with

26:08

it mentally but physically your body is not

26:10

able to deal with it so. if you have

26:12

that chronic stress sitting there, anything

26:14

that you're going to be doing is

26:16

only going to give you marginal

26:18

results because the chronic stress is creating

26:21

physiological changes, keeping you stuck, creating

26:23

more inflammation and that sort of thing,

26:25

you know, blocking chemical pathways and

26:27

things like that. So that's really, really

26:29

common as well. So yeah, if

26:31

you're stuck and you're like, I've tried everything,

26:33

well, then what's your stress? What's your stress

26:36

doing? How stressed? Or you could be in

26:38

a situation you literally can't change. You know,

26:40

like you say, a mortgage or rent or,

26:42

you know, financial is a big one. Huge.

26:44

Incredible. In a relationship, you're not happy

26:46

there or something like that. Yeah,

26:48

toxic relationships are really common. It's

26:50

a lot to me. And, you know, just from

26:52

going back a bit nerdy thing, if you're making loads

26:54

of cortisol due to stress, you're not making sex

26:57

hormones. Right. So physiologically, you're going

26:59

to change. Yeah, that's right. Yeah.

27:01

So yeah, so that mental health challenge

27:03

is coming under that banner as well,

27:05

that sort of thing. Um,

27:07

yeah. And then, um, as

27:09

I said, incomplete detoxification. Oh,

27:11

yeah. Like I said before, this is,

27:13

this is really common. So impaired detox

27:15

pathways. So your detoxification pathways, your liver,

27:18

your kidney, your bile from the gallbladder,

27:20

obviously your skin, that's a, and our

27:22

breath, they're kind of, and our urine

27:24

and our poop. That's how we get rid

27:26

of everything, right? That's how we, yep. So

27:28

if any of those pathways are blocked

27:30

up, then obviously you're going to have

27:32

a backup of toxins and things. And

27:34

then, as we said before, toxins can

27:36

cause significant health issues. So

27:39

genetic issues, genetic variations and

27:41

polymorphisms can be an underlying cause

27:43

of a lot of these

27:45

things. So things like M25 we

27:47

said. Methyl

27:50

tetrahydrofolate reductase. That's it. And

27:52

then Compt is a big one. Catecholomethyl

27:55

transverse. That's it. So

27:57

Compt is responsible for detoxifying

27:59

estrogens and our norepinephrine, norepinephrine, epinephrine,

28:01

so our stress hormones and

28:03

things like that. So if it's

28:05

not functioning properly, you can

28:08

have a buildup of hormones, like

28:10

estrogen particularly, stress hormones.

28:12

So therefore you're going to your cortisol is going

28:14

to be high. You're going to have hormonal imbalances. And

28:16

they're like, well, I'm trying everything. I'm doing

28:18

all the things for the hormones and doing all

28:20

the things for the stress. If your compt

28:22

is impaired, then how can you get rid of

28:25

these compounds? So that could be

28:27

a cause as to why you're not getting

28:29

better. GST, so the

28:31

glutathione S -transferase pathway. Oh, I thought

28:33

that was a tax of some kind,

28:35

GST. Well, it

28:37

taxes your body. Yeah, it does tax your

28:39

body, yeah. So yeah, so genetic

28:41

variations can be an underlying

28:44

Issue and that's why if you're not

28:46

getting better, then it might be worth looking

28:48

at doing some gene testing if you're

28:50

just not getting better So that's that's not

28:52

an uncommon thing and now of course

28:54

we all have we'll have polymorphisms.

28:57

We'll have genes. Oh, I'm perfect. I don't

28:59

have any of that That's right. That's exactly

29:01

what I see but but like, you know

29:03

GST that the glutathione levels like if you've

29:05

got that enzyme and let's say Not me

29:07

and I don't know about you, but most

29:09

people have mercury in their mouth. Okay The

29:11

mercury is, now I don't know, but mercury

29:13

is detoxified by glutathione. So if you've got

29:15

low levels of glutathione, this is where the

29:17

whole confusion is mercury bad for your mouth.

29:19

Yes, and it's worse for others if they've

29:22

got a deficiency of that because you get

29:24

to build up mercury in your brain. That's

29:26

right. And that screws with your brain. It's

29:28

a neurotoxin. Yeah. And so this

29:30

is where, you know, one man's

29:32

food on the poison, but some people may

29:34

have feelings and not have any symptoms, some

29:36

may have feelings and it's caused by that,

29:38

so it's very confusing. It is, yeah. And

29:40

it's like who, but they've got feelings and

29:42

they've got feelings and I'm fine with feelings

29:44

and you know, it's like, you know, it's

29:46

like, it's really different for the individuals. You

29:48

can't compare yourself to anybody else because we're

29:50

all very individual. Even twins have

29:52

snips. Yeah, that's

29:55

where they're different genetically. That's right,

29:57

exactly. So yeah, and that's becoming more

29:59

and more prevalent. And I think there's

30:01

the epigenetic factor, which we talk about, which

30:03

is not the gene that causes the

30:05

problem. It's the external input that whether it

30:07

be a toxin or a stressor or

30:09

emotional, something or other. And because there's more

30:11

and more of that now, because the

30:13

modern world is stressful, seeing more of these

30:16

sort of genes turn on and the

30:18

MTHFR pathway. So that controls, you know, genes

30:20

turning on, turning off. So that's impaired.

30:22

You're either not switching off your genes or

30:24

you're not switching them on. And so

30:26

that's becoming quite quite common. And now

30:28

we can do, there's a lot of really

30:30

good ways to do gene testing. It's quite

30:32

affordable now. So it's just doing

30:34

gene testing was, was horrendously

30:37

expensive when it came out. And

30:39

now we can sort of go,

30:41

ah, now for you, you need this.

30:43

Someone might be okay with folic

30:45

acid. Yes. You know, I'm not a

30:47

fan, but if someone have the

30:49

MTHFRs working fine, they may be able

30:51

to use folic acid. And then

30:53

there's people who simply can't. You can't,

30:56

yeah. And that's about a

30:58

third of people can't. So it's not like, oh,

31:00

one in a million. It's really

31:02

quite common. Yeah, it's very common.

31:04

So yeah, so that's a

31:06

big one as well. I

31:08

know. And this one, you've

31:10

got a mismatch between protocols

31:12

and your biology. Yes, so there's

31:14

a lot of, I guess, doctors

31:16

and practitioners that will do a

31:18

cookie cutter approach. That's right, yeah. So they'll

31:20

look it up in the book and go, oh, this is the protocol

31:22

for this. They're not taking into account

31:24

your individuality, genes, as we just said, all

31:26

of that sort of thing. So your protocol could

31:29

be completely wrong for you, whereas it's completely

31:31

right for somebody else. Correct. So you're like, you

31:33

know, or if you're doing your own research

31:35

and go, oh, yep, that's the product I need

31:37

for this condition and it's not doing anything.

31:39

Well, that's because we're all very individual. There's all

31:41

underlying factors. So As you said, what's your

31:43

detox pathways? What's your genetic profile? What's your gap

31:45

doing? What's your stress level? It's

31:48

all going to impact how

31:50

well the protocol is going to work. So

31:53

that can be a big one.

31:55

Wow. And that's why sometimes

31:57

in clinic, it can be hard. You have to try

31:59

a protocol. If it doesn't work, got to try

32:01

another one. It can be a little

32:03

bit of trial and error a lot of times

32:05

to find what's really going to work for you.

32:07

You don't hit on it straight away every time. wrong

32:11

supplement and dosages. And we just

32:13

did a podcast on this not long

32:15

ago about the different forms of

32:17

supplements and things. So

32:19

taking the wrong supplement, the wrong form,

32:21

the wrong dose, taking it the wrong

32:23

time, taking it with something that maybe

32:25

you shouldn't take it with. So that

32:28

can also be a factor as to

32:30

why something is well. When

32:32

people talk about, and I was thinking about

32:34

this on the car come out, about magnesium.

32:36

And people go, I'm on magnesium and it

32:38

doesn't help me sleep. Yeah. For our question,

32:40

what form of magnesium in the look of

32:42

joy? What are you talking about? What do

32:44

you mean? Because nobody takes magnesium. If

32:47

you ever see magnesium, it's metal. Yes.

32:49

That you can burn. That's right. It's

32:51

a cool substance. As a chemist, you

32:53

can burn it. Yeah. And it burns

32:55

and fizzles and it's a metal looking

32:57

color. No one takes that orally. You're

32:59

taking magnesium something. Yes. And that

33:02

something is important. That's right. Like

33:04

three and eight is great

33:06

for sleep. Yeah. magnesium citrate is

33:08

good for energy cycles. Sparta

33:10

magnesium is good for athletes, etc.

33:13

magnesium glycinate for sleep. And we've

33:16

done a podcast on magnesium

33:18

on different forms, but that's

33:20

just magnesium. What about

33:22

all the other ones? Yeah, exactly. So, you know, people

33:24

come to you say, oh, Nick, I'm already on

33:26

magnesium. And you go, which one? They go, what are

33:28

you talking about? The one from Kim is where? I

33:31

get magnesium oxides. And I seem to get

33:33

the runs. And that's it. Yeah, because it doesn't

33:35

absorb. And it's in a tablet

33:37

form. And there's a full of acipients. So

33:39

you look up the excipients and go, oh,

33:41

no, this is terrible. And the dosage is

33:43

really low. It's just terrible. There

33:45

is an excipient called magnesium steroid.

33:47

There is, yes. And that's used a lot.

33:51

So, so yeah, so you've got to actually

33:53

be careful and I get the question

33:55

a lot of what's the best supplement I

33:57

can get from the health food store

33:59

or the chemist warehouse and I'm like,

34:01

well, there's really very very

34:03

few. I don't really

34:05

recommend the quality is really poor

34:07

with a lot of these supplements. You

34:09

can go on to a website called

34:11

if you're in Australia, the ARTG. And

34:13

that would give you a breakdown of

34:15

the actual recipients in. So the the

34:17

actives is on the bottle, but they

34:19

don't, they don't have to list the

34:21

recipients, which is what's a flow, you

34:24

know, flow, um, ingredients or, um,

34:26

you know, binding agents and things like that.

34:28

So you can look at that. Sometimes

34:30

there's soy, there's, you know, things that maybe

34:32

people have allergies or sensitivities to. Um,

34:34

so, and yeah, and tablets, I'm not a big fan

34:36

of tablets. I think we've talked about that in the

34:39

past because they, they need the binders and all that

34:41

sort of thing to actually. get

34:43

them to stay together. these

34:45

capsules and tablets, just to make, I'm

34:47

sorry, well, I know most people would know

34:49

this, but in a capsule, you've used

34:51

just gelatin or veggie capsules. And you just

34:53

put the stuff in there. There's maybe

34:55

some flow agents, but not much else. But

34:57

the tablets got to stay together in

35:00

a rock hard form for two years. That's

35:02

right. Yeah. How do you break that

35:04

down from all that sort of thing? So

35:06

that can be a factor if your supplements

35:08

aren't working for you. Over

35:11

methylation, under methylation, we've talked about that

35:13

with the MTFR. We have. So,

35:15

yeah, and then, you know, obviously, lifestyle factors

35:17

which we've talked about. We've banged on about

35:19

this so many times. biggest thing. Yeah,

35:21

this is like, and I'm

35:24

going to pick on that later that

35:26

we saw, I've seen anything of it.

35:28

She wasn't exercising. No. And she was

35:30

trying to lose weight. Yeah. It's like, you

35:32

know, let's say you know nothing about you

35:35

know much about nutrition or diet or whatever

35:37

but you sort of know that you eat

35:39

less and move more yeah it's kind of

35:41

like a the thing for losing weight and

35:43

and and there's people who just look for

35:45

that easy way out yeah

35:47

and we've done podcasts on easy

35:49

way out for things yeah but

35:51

yeah one came out today we

35:53

say yeah so so we're not

35:55

anti that but but when you'll

35:57

when there's a big gap that

35:59

you you know it's like when someone's

36:01

really stressed and they're trying to get well

36:04

they're trying to sleep better and you know

36:06

what are you doing about stress nothing i've

36:08

got to work on that so no no

36:10

no that's that's actually the thing you know

36:12

oh you want to lose weight okay what

36:14

are you what exercise doing oh well you

36:16

know i want to try and exercise no

36:18

that's a gap yeah that's a huge gap

36:20

yeah um and so you know you've got

36:22

to be able to do that and you

36:24

mentioned one of the gaps here is sleep

36:26

quality That's usually important.

36:29

Oh, so totally important. And yeah, a lot

36:31

of people, and I think people are getting

36:33

more aware of it. But then I see

36:35

more on the other side, the people that,

36:37

but my nutrition is dialed in. I'm exercising

36:39

so much. I'm doing, you know, and they're

36:41

exercising seven days a week. They're overdoing

36:43

it. And their diet is so, they said, I,

36:45

you know, I check my macros and my calories

36:47

every single day. I don't go outside of that.

36:49

That in itself is a stressor. You're going, you

36:51

can go too far the other way. And I

36:53

find that more commonly in clinic because you know,

36:55

people are aware. the health,

36:57

the lifestyle factors, and they're going too far

36:59

the other way. So I'm like, okay,

37:01

so you're overdoing it in the gym with

37:04

your exercise. How do you expect these other

37:06

stuff to start to help when you're throwing

37:08

all these systems out of whack, you know, your

37:10

hormones, your stress, your gut, everything is becoming

37:12

out of whack if we're over -training and we

37:14

did a podcast on over -training as well. So

37:17

that can be a factor as well. And people think

37:19

they're doing the right things and actually doing too much.

37:22

Too much going too far. So

37:24

that's really common. My muscles are getting too big

37:26

at the moment, so I've got to cut back

37:28

a bit. I know you must don't fit through the

37:30

doorway now, Steve. Rippling muscles. I

37:34

hope no one's watching this podcast, they're just

37:36

listening and they go, oh, Steve must be buff,

37:38

he's not. He's old.

37:40

But I exercise

37:42

more than a lot of people. Well,

37:44

I'm too old, not too now. Well, and that's

37:46

the thing, you know, they already get someone, what

37:48

did someone say to me the other day? You get

37:50

to go to 15 at the time too tired.

37:52

I'm just too hard now. And I'm like, that's the

37:54

time when you need to do it because if

37:57

you don't, that's when the things start to hurt. I

37:59

find if I don't exercise, I start to

38:01

get aches and pains and things like just keep

38:03

just keep training and my six year old nephew

38:05

runs around like a crazy man because

38:07

he's a six year old boy rides

38:09

bike and everything. He doesn't need to

38:11

go. He literally gets enough exercise in

38:13

life. 50 year olds typically don't do

38:15

that. No. So we have got to

38:17

exercise. It's no excuse anymore. And

38:19

if you don't, you'll decay. Yeah.

38:22

And be up uphill, but it'll be

38:24

terrible. That's right. So absolutely

38:26

must exercise. And you've

38:28

correctly put there reducing inflammation. But

38:31

also you got this one there as

38:33

lifestyle gap is toxic relationships or environment. Yeah,

38:35

that's a that's issue. Yeah.

38:37

Yeah, toxic relationships could be anything

38:39

from who you live with, who you

38:41

work with, or you interact with. And

38:44

That's really common. Toxic relationships is

38:46

a really big one because you're

38:48

in the stress. Your whole life

38:50

is surrounded by this. toxicity in

38:52

this stress. So that's really common

38:54

for women. Women in

38:56

abusive relationships, autoimmune conditions are

38:58

quite common, developing autoimmune conditions. So

39:00

that's a really big one. So what environment

39:02

are you working in? Your work environment is

39:04

a very toxic that sort of thing. It

39:06

creates the stress response, activates the stress response.

39:08

So you could be doing all the right

39:10

things underlying, but if you're going to work

39:12

every day and it's a toxic environment, that's

39:15

going to be impacting your ability to

39:17

to improve your health as well or get

39:19

better. So that's another thing to I

39:21

won't mention any names, but I was

39:23

speaking to someone yesterday about their situation

39:25

there. And I'm going to call it

39:27

a toxic relationship because they're going through

39:29

a terrible divorce and have been for

39:31

five years. They've got kids and it's

39:33

all real messy and financial and all

39:35

this sort of stuff. And it's literally

39:38

stressing them out dramatically. Yeah. And, you

39:40

know, that's like going on for years.

39:42

You know, They've done

39:44

the right thing by separating from

39:46

the relationship because it was terribly

39:48

toxic. But it's still going on.

39:50

So how do you escape that? You've got

39:52

to wait for court cases and then

39:54

that will bring all new stresses and

39:56

you've got solicitors and lawyers and it's

39:58

just an nightmare. Kids, everything, terrible. So

40:00

that can really impact your ability to heal.

40:03

So yeah, if you've got that going on and

40:05

you're trying everything else, doing all the other

40:07

right things, the diet,

40:09

the nutrition, the exercise, the supplements, the

40:11

protocols and things like really improving

40:13

how you like. That could be, that

40:15

stress rock could be really impactful. Wow.

40:17

And you've got another one here,

40:19

underlying nutrient deficiencies. Yeah, this

40:21

is really common. I mean, I always

40:23

do a lot of blood testing because

40:25

I to see what nutritional status people

40:27

have, inflammation, all of that sort of

40:30

thing. But a lot of people do

40:32

have nutrient deficiencies. One, their diet's not

40:34

100%, whether it's really bad or probably

40:36

poor diet, or they're just on one of

40:38

those, you know, fad diets where missing

40:41

quite significantly nutrients.

40:44

they might have gut stuff that's underlying that

40:46

haven't addressed and therefore they're not absorbing well, all

40:48

of that sort of thing. So,

40:50

nutrient deficiencies, we need nutrients to

40:53

allow our biochemical pathways to work properly.

40:55

That's why we have our nutrients.

40:57

So if we don't have nutrients, these

40:59

pathways can become impaired, they're not

41:01

working properly. That throws out

41:03

that system, which throws out another system.

41:06

So you're continually on the back

41:08

foot. So micronutrients, things like micronutrients

41:10

are really important. So it's huge.

41:12

I mean, we've banged on about this

41:14

nutrient -affair bit magnesium, but we were

41:16

looking at papers yesterday on magnesium,

41:18

over 300 enzymes. If you're low in

41:20

magnesium, those 300 enzymes are not

41:22

working well. Yeah, well the comp for one,

41:24

so... Oh, catecholamethyltransferase, yeah. That's right, so

41:26

if you don't have enough, if you

41:28

have that comp, that polymorphism and you're not,

41:31

you don't have enough magnesium, then

41:33

that gene is not going to work properly,

41:35

therefore you're going to recycle your estrogens, your

41:37

stress hormones, things like that. So, and that's

41:39

just for not having enough magnesium. Amazing.

41:41

Yeah, that's a huge one. And

41:43

that's just magnesium. What about zinc

41:45

and chromium? Zinc should be 6, should

41:47

be 9, should be 12, you know, vitamin

41:50

D even or so many. Iron is a

41:52

huge one as well. You know,

41:54

we need all these copper. We

41:56

need, you know, zinc, all these things

41:58

for the methylation cycle. So really

42:00

important. Yeah, and selenium is low in the soil,

42:02

so that you could be low in selenium. Yeah,

42:04

or thyroid is a big one, I see. If

42:06

I'm treating my thyroid, I'm doing all the things

42:08

with my thyroid, but they're iron deficient. Yeah,

42:10

it's gonna be out. So you know all

42:12

those numbers after the T's like T3 and

42:14

T4. That's how many iodines they need to

42:17

make that particular molecule. Yeah, that's right. You

42:19

know, it's tyrosine 3, tyrosine 4. And so

42:21

if you haven't got iodine, you can't make

42:23

T3 or T4. Yeah, that's right. You can

42:25

only make T0. Yeah, it doesn't help you.

42:27

It doesn't exist. That's right. So yeah, so

42:30

that's something to maybe look into a bit more. Oh

42:32

my god, that next one's brilliant. Which

42:34

one? Misaligned expectations. This

42:36

is common. I mean, I was the only one

42:38

who said it. think everything we said is,

42:40

I say is common, but this is all

42:42

quite common. Yeah. Misaligned expectations

42:45

is really common because, so

42:47

timeline for healing. So

42:49

if you've been sick for 20

42:52

years, chronically ill for 20 years, you're not

42:54

going to get better in 12 weeks.

42:56

No. You just, just not. It can take months.

42:58

It can take six months. It can take 12 months.

43:00

It can take two years. It can take five years. It

43:03

depends. So, and I think people's expectations

43:05

are, okay, well, I'm doing the right

43:07

thing and going the holistic route, for

43:09

instance. Great. Awesome.

43:11

So, but then they want everything

43:13

to change in a couple

43:16

of months and it doesn't work

43:18

like that. So I usually

43:20

say to people when they come back, I

43:22

say, so what's changed? said, nothing. Nothing's

43:24

better. Nothing's better. And then I have all

43:26

my notes from the previous concert. So, okay. So

43:28

what about this? Oh, no, actually, no, that's

43:30

not happening anymore. Well, what about this? I'm

43:33

not having so much reflux actually. Now

43:35

you mentioned I haven't had any reflux. So

43:37

they focus on what isn't improving

43:39

instead of what has improved. So

43:42

they might go for four months ago,

43:44

but I'm nothing's changed. I'm like, okay, well,

43:46

no, you're not getting reflux anymore. You're

43:48

not getting head ache. You're actually sleeping

43:50

better. So things are improving. They're

43:52

just not improving in the timeline that you

43:54

want. Gotcha. And that can be because

43:56

of sometimes it can take a long time to

43:58

heal and other times it could be due

44:00

to possibly some of these

44:03

underlying things or stress factors. You

44:05

know, so misaligned expectations is

44:07

a really... Sarah, because I think

44:09

medicine, and this is

44:11

some of the joy of medicine and some

44:13

of the bad things of medicine is

44:15

we're very used to a quick fix. Yeah.

44:17

and like, let's say I've got the

44:20

rheumatoid arthritis, I'm in pain. Whatever,

44:22

I just don't want the pain, it's

44:24

awful. I take a

44:26

Pilexia, Opioid, Tramadol,

44:31

something like that, that tablet, very

44:33

strong painkiller, I take it, I

44:35

will feel better. Within about

44:37

30 minutes, I will feel better. And

44:40

you go, well, that's what I wanted, so that's what

44:42

I've got. So there's there's been, you

44:44

know, medicine's advancements in these areas

44:46

of, for example, quick fixes is like,

44:48

I've got a low thyroid. What's

44:50

causing it? Don't worry. It's, there's some

44:53

thyroxin. Oh, okay. Great. Yeah. I'm

44:55

getting headaches. What's causing it? Don't worry

44:57

about it. Here's some tryptins. Here's

44:59

some, you know, some, some, you know,

45:01

paracetamol. And so medicine has given

45:03

us this expectation that without

45:05

addressing the cause, because you haven't

45:07

got, you know, arthritis due

45:09

to a Plexia deficiency, you've got

45:12

it because you've got something

45:14

else going on. Yeah. But the

45:16

expectations are misaligned because people are

45:18

used to seeing GPs and doctors

45:20

and getting quick fixes. There's nothing

45:22

wrong with that to a degree. I don't mind

45:24

that, but as long as you get rid of the

45:26

underlying stuff. Well, that's it. You're not

45:28

treating it. And it's a very instant

45:30

gratification society. It's instant gratification

45:32

world that we live in. And

45:35

this is where I get on my high horse a bit with consulting,

45:38

is that Our

45:40

industry in some ways is becoming very

45:42

medical model. And you know, people come

45:44

to us and say, oh, let me give me the test and

45:47

give me the supplement. So what supplement do I need to take? I'm

45:49

like, okay, it's not just about the supplement.

45:51

So, you know, they'll take, they won't do

45:53

any of the lifestyle things. A lot of people,

45:55

they just will not. Well, they'll do a couple

45:57

of them and not all of them. And

46:00

then they said, but I've been taking

46:02

the supplements and nothing's changed. So one,

46:04

They're not doing the stuff that's causing

46:06

the imbalances. They're just taking a supplement

46:09

and expecting it to work like a

46:11

drug, like a pharmaceutical drug instantly, which

46:13

it doesn't. And three,

46:15

the expectations of the time frame is

46:17

too high. So all of these

46:19

factors come in together. If

46:22

you're going to see a holistic practitioner, you

46:24

have to do the work. And

46:26

you know, everything's all about fluffy and easy

46:28

and happy and everything. You know, I do this

46:30

12 feet program and you can eat whatever you want.

46:32

You can eat your cake and you lose weight. All this,

46:34

this is how people market these programs because they want to

46:36

get people on board. But

46:38

it's hard. It's actually hard to heal.

46:40

Like it takes work. It's like, it's

46:42

like going to the gym once and

46:45

then just Coming home, I went to

46:47

the gym once. How come I'm not

46:49

in shape? I don't want to do

46:51

the work. It's too hard. It hurts.

46:53

It's the same thing. I've got time.

46:55

I haven't got to go to the gym.

46:57

I get up at 7 o 'clock and I'm

46:59

thinking, I'm back from the gym by 6. What

47:02

was this morning? So

47:04

if you haven't got time, make

47:06

time. We were preaching

47:08

to the converted, but people

47:10

who you know want their cake and

47:13

eating it too it's like you really got

47:15

to do that we got to make sacrifices

47:17

yeah because what you've done up to this

47:19

point has led you in to see someone

47:21

like Nicole and you've obviously haven't got on

47:23

the right path of health you need to

47:25

change it yeah you need to change it

47:27

like we talked about that people for weight

47:29

for example and it's like you know look if

47:31

you're overweight whatever you've done up this point hasn't worked

47:33

yeah It is it's radical yeah

47:35

getting healthy is hard work it's you've got

47:37

to change everything you got you can't you

47:39

know that's what I could say there's so

47:41

much marketing out there for these these programs

47:43

like just do this and it's really easy

47:45

and you'll be you'll be great but it takes

47:47

the hard work and very much people are

47:49

missing that so they come into the holistic practitioner

47:51

and. They're taking a supplement and they think

47:53

they're doing the right thing, but you're really not

47:55

doing any better than if you went to

47:57

the doctor. not addressing the underlying cause

47:59

and you're not doing the work to

48:02

actually improve your health. So

48:04

I find that to be really,

48:06

really becoming more and more

48:08

common in our industry, which is

48:10

sad because it's holistic medicine

48:12

for a reason, addressing lifestyle, you're

48:14

addressing everything. So it takes

48:16

time. And then you know

48:18

like that the two steps forward one

48:20

step back thing is really common so like

48:22

I said before we you've had some

48:24

gains maybe you've had some things go backwards

48:26

I see that a lot they come

48:28

so now I've got this issue so healing

48:30

can be two steps forward one step

48:32

back it's not linear it's it's it's it's

48:34

very Yeah, very, a very

48:36

interesting journey. So you're not always just

48:38

going to be from here to here

48:40

and get better. So that's expectations is

48:42

a big one when we're talking about

48:44

healing. So you've got to have your

48:46

expectations have to be realistic. Yeah, exactly. Man,

48:49

you've got another one here. Overlook

48:51

hormonal imbalances. Yeah. So

48:53

things like, you know, thyroid, the amount

48:55

of times I've diagnosed or discovered Hashimoto's

48:57

and things like that, but people had

49:00

no idea. autoimmune thyroid thing. Yeah, they

49:02

had no idea that they had it.

49:04

Sorry, because they never had their antibodies

49:06

started. So they feel depressed. They feel

49:08

constipated. They feel down. They can't lose

49:10

weight. They've got no energy. They're

49:12

sensitive to cold. This is the symptoms of it.

49:14

Yeah. And I mean, that sounds like most people,

49:16

you know, most people, but a

49:18

lot of people for sure. Yeah.

49:20

And if they've got a cause of

49:22

it and they reverse that, then

49:25

wow, they're going to feel a hell of better. Yeah.

49:27

So yeah, I need that sort of, you know. Good. You

49:29

know, low progesterone, things like that, which is a bit

49:31

more common. But yeah, hormone

49:33

balances and then the genetics as we

49:35

talked about. So there are some

49:37

of the things that can be the

49:39

handbrakes to you improving. And

49:41

then here's something that I would probably

49:43

see more than anything else. Oh, give

49:45

it to us, Nick. This

49:47

is the crescendo. What

49:49

are you mostly seeing clinic

49:52

that's helping people? They

49:54

listen to this a lot of people

49:56

and roll their eyes and get okay.

49:58

It's also woohoo. It's also okay. I'm

50:00

ready to roll my eyes are ready.

50:02

They're ready to roll. Um, their

50:05

thoughts. Oh, no, I agree. I

50:07

was just trying to play devil.

50:09

What do you mean by thoughts?

50:11

So people who focus on their,

50:13

their disease, their, their. ill health,

50:15

that sort of thing. And they

50:17

constantly, constantly focusing on the negative

50:19

of that and believing that this

50:21

is never going to get better.

50:23

I'm not going to get better.

50:27

It's really, really, really detrimental to your

50:29

healing. Absolutely. And people like might roll

50:31

their eyes and go, oh, so what?

50:33

So I think about my, like, how

50:35

has it even got to do with

50:37

anything? I'm like, okay, well, let me

50:40

put this to you then. How

50:42

do if your thoughts

50:44

don't have any impact on your

50:46

physical health or your biochemistry, what

50:48

happens when you say, for instance, think

50:50

about food? So you might not

50:52

be eating. You might not be

50:54

anywhere near food. You might not smell,

50:57

you know, might not smell food. You

50:59

might not anything like that. But if

51:01

you think about food, say, think about

51:03

the juicy burger or something. I'm really,

51:05

I'm thinking about that now. What is

51:07

it? 10 to 11. I'm thinking about

51:10

food now. So you've got me thinking

51:12

food. You're thinking about food. There's no

51:14

food in here. There's nothing. You can't

51:16

smell it. Nothing. So just the. thought

51:18

of food starts a biochemical changes in

51:20

the body. So it starts within the

51:22

brain. So it starts the hypothalamus amygdala

51:25

and the prefrontal cortex to have changes.

51:27

Parts of the brain. Yep. That

51:29

reward system is engaged. So

51:31

your dopamine starts to come

51:33

up. engaged. You start to

51:35

salivate. So saliva glands become

51:37

active. Salivating now. In the

51:40

stomach so that you start

51:42

to have gastric secretions. and

51:44

pepsin activation, things like that,

51:46

ghrelin release, insulin

51:48

anticipation, and then your

51:50

pancreatic enzymes start to release their enzymes

51:52

to break down and then bile production. And

51:56

then, you know, changes to the blood

51:58

flow to the gut. So this is all

52:00

happened just by thinking about food. You

52:02

haven't eaten anything. You haven't nothing. You haven't

52:05

seen the food yet. So

52:07

that's, you know, that's one thing. And another one,

52:09

I guess, which is really common, which everyone can

52:11

think about is like, Well, what about sex, right?

52:13

You start thinking about sex. You don't have to

52:15

be anywhere near it. You could just be thinking

52:17

about it. I'm

52:19

married. I don't think about that

52:21

anymore. You start to have physiological changes

52:23

before you've even done anything. You

52:25

do, I know. the limbic system is

52:27

activated. The

52:30

oxytocin starts to come up.

52:32

Endorphins, you know, you

52:34

start to produce endorphins. Autonomic

52:36

nervous system activates. You

52:38

get responses in different areas of the body. What do you

52:40

remember about that, Nick? We know all

52:42

about that. Oh, that bit. And that's

52:45

before you've done anything. So you

52:47

can't sit there and say what you

52:49

think does not impact your physiology

52:51

at all. So if you're sitting there

52:53

thinking about the disease, continually

52:55

focusing on it and focusing on it,

52:57

then you're going to get more of that.

52:59

So if you have a negative mindset

53:01

about your healing, then you will have the

53:03

activation of the stress response. you start

53:06

to have the cortisol overproduction because it becomes

53:08

a stressor when you're thinking about it. The

53:11

amygdala hyperactivation, prefrontal

53:13

cortex suppression, neurotransmitter imbalances,

53:15

the immune system is weakened

53:17

because of that constant stress. The

53:20

impact on the digestive system.

53:22

So reduced digestive function because

53:24

of that stress response, leaky

53:27

gut syndrome can start to

53:29

happen, pain, amplification, hormonal

53:31

imbalances like adrenal hormones and

53:34

things like that. So this

53:36

can all happen just from having a negative

53:38

mindset about what's going on with your health.

53:40

And I think I would see this more

53:42

than anything. It's incredible. I

53:44

mean, you know, you've hit the nail

53:46

on the head that there is a

53:48

book called Love Your Disease That's Keeping

53:50

You Healthy. And it's about people who

53:52

think about their disease that they'll never

53:54

get better. And it's like, oh, yeah,

53:56

they're happy to go to see practitioners

53:58

and they'll cherry pick some of the,

54:00

oh, yeah, it's just, you know, it's

54:03

terrible. And they must identify themselves with

54:05

this. And it's really quite sad. It

54:07

is. I mean, and that's exactly what,

54:09

exactly what you said, identify is to

54:11

say, well, my rheumatoid arthritis or my

54:13

Hashimoto's, they actually take it on to

54:15

be part of them. Yep. And so. The

54:18

focus is continually on it. And so, and even, you

54:20

know, I've had people sit in front of me that say,

54:22

yeah, I've tried that. I've tried that. And that won't

54:24

work. It won't work. It won't work. I'll try it, but

54:26

it won't work. And it doesn't work. And of course

54:28

it's not going to work. And if they have a little

54:30

bit of a negative reaction, they go, oh, no, I'm

54:32

not going do it. I see that

54:34

more often than not. And they give

54:37

up. Because they stick in the comfort

54:39

zone because they're, it's a really sad

54:41

situation. And luckily, you know, because I

54:43

was cured from a quote, uncure incurable

54:45

disease. And it's not a miracle. No.

54:47

Everyone says, oh, it's like, no, no,

54:49

no. I just science the shit out

54:51

of it. Yeah. And then, you know,

54:53

you forget it out. And it's not

54:56

incurable. Look, you've

54:58

got stage four pancreatic cancer

55:00

that you've grimed. But people

55:02

have come back from that.

55:04

Look, I have a whole

55:06

other side to me that I do stuff, look

55:08

into stuff. But, you know, look into things

55:10

like Dr. Joe Dispenser, amazing guy, if you're into

55:12

that sort of thing. The power

55:14

of what you believe and what you

55:17

think and what you say to yourself

55:19

has amazing impact on your physiology. As

55:21

I said, I'm spinning my words

55:23

because I get passionate about this because

55:25

this is what I see that people don't

55:27

think that what they're thinking and they're

55:29

focusing on in their healing is impacting them.

55:31

They're wrong. It does. If you've tried

55:33

everything else but your mindset is terrible or

55:35

you're stuck in that sort of Um

55:38

that mindset of I'm never going to get

55:40

better or my condition it's mine I'm

55:42

going to hang on to it rather than

55:44

focusing on standard you know it's so

55:46

sad when you see that it's so sad

55:48

and you see it so often you

55:50

see it so often I just see it

55:52

through you know family situations they they

55:55

just don't want to change where they are

55:57

yeah and it's like you know this

55:59

is not it's not set in stone. And

56:01

what I used to term stinking thinking. It's

56:05

because it's like oh well you know

56:07

it is what it is and it's like

56:09

this is this is the way I

56:11

am and this is what it is and

56:13

I can't do it and they they

56:15

they depower themselves and they outsource their something

56:17

to something else that's coming in their

56:20

life. I'll see what Joe there they can

56:22

do and everyone help me and help

56:24

me and they sit there and take all

56:26

this in and they don't realize that

56:28

they can actually make movements themselves and start

56:30

by changing their mindset. It's it's

56:32

everything. It's everything. I'll bring the analogy back to the

56:34

gym because I was in the gym for 20 years and

56:36

I said used to sit So say someone's doing a

56:38

deadlift and they're they're looking at the weight on this I

56:40

got 100 kilos on there and they're like there's just

56:42

no way I can't do it I can't do it. I

56:44

can't do it So they try and do it can't

56:46

do it, right? You just cannot but if you can build

56:48

your mindset up and go that's easy It's like and

56:50

I've done it used to do with clients all the time

56:52

and they would do four or five reps and they

56:54

go, oh my god. So it's just

56:56

like going to the gym and getting on the

56:58

squats and saying, oh, I just can't do, I'm

57:00

putting 10, you know, one plate up on a

57:02

side or something, 20 kilos a side, and I

57:04

just can't do it, can't do it, you can't

57:06

do it. Change your mindset.

57:08

The weight hasn't changed. Suddenly you can do

57:10

the weight. Exactly. So that

57:12

I think is probably one of the biggest

57:15

things for chronic conditions that just do

57:17

not improve is you have to change your

57:19

mindset in your thoughts around it. From

57:21

one of I'm sick to one of I'm

57:23

healthier. I'm getting healthier, things like that.

57:25

And people can roll their eyes and say,

57:27

oh, it's bull, it doesn't

57:29

work, all that sort of stuff. But what

57:32

have you got to lose? What

57:34

is the difference between changing your

57:36

mind? changing your thoughts or not. You

57:38

don't have to change anything other

57:40

than change your mind and so if

57:43

you think it doesn't work, give

57:45

it a go because it's what's it

57:47

got to hurt. People have this

57:49

comfort zone of misery and it's like

57:51

they're stuck in it and it's

57:53

a really stuck mindset. Yeah and people

57:55

identify with it and particularly chronic

57:58

conditions. have been for

58:00

so long. You can actually identify and

58:02

you become that person and knows

58:04

you as person with this chronic condition.

58:06

So you then are

58:09

healed, who are you? And I think

58:11

that's a big thing of people. I don't have an

58:13

identity anymore because I've always been known as a person with

58:15

this chronic condition. So So

58:17

that's a really big part of

58:19

it. just really sad and you're

58:21

changing mindset. That's huge. That's

58:23

probably a good one end on, Nick, because

58:26

probably run out of time, but that is really

58:28

powerful words. If you want to see Nick

58:30

a practitioner in the brown naturopathy, you just

58:32

Google her you'll see you can appointments. You've got

58:34

a wait. I've got a bit

58:36

of a big wait. Yeah, but that's all right.

58:38

I'm trying to get to it. It's amazing, Nick,

58:40

but that's incredible. I love all this barriers,

58:43

you know, handbrakes to health, and know, that

58:45

sort of thing. I think it's incredible, Nick. yeah,

58:47

all right. Well, that's better the time force.

58:49

I'll see you next week.