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be. Welcome to the basement

3:03

ladies and gentlemen. I am

3:06

your host Tim Roth. It's

3:08

the weirdest transition ever. Do

3:10

the offering, then be introduced,

3:13

and then start hosting. I

3:15

have a guess. It's such

3:17

a surprise. You want to

3:20

know who it is? I'm

3:24

so grateful that I get to,

3:26

I'm really grateful I get to

3:28

do this in this type of

3:30

a space. Like this is, this

3:32

is kind of surreal. And I'm

3:35

sure there's some meaning to be

3:37

made of it. And when I

3:39

get back to the hotel, I'll

3:41

pray and ask the Holy Spirit.

3:43

What does this mean? But it

3:45

means something. I think so. I

3:48

think it means a whole lot.

3:50

Go on. Well, first off, you

3:52

were a part of this from

3:54

the beginning, even before we... committed

3:56

to doing it we called you

3:59

and you as a pastor in

4:01

our life you blessed it you

4:03

encouraged us and in fact the

4:05

first one that we we did

4:07

together was just in February of

4:10

this year right so now here

4:12

we are a few months later

4:14

and when when we were in

4:16

the hair salon at Kinhouse we

4:18

were already out of space right

4:21

and now in this moment we're

4:23

out of space. And

4:25

with all the things happening in

4:28

this country, in this city, especially

4:30

this week, who you voting for.

4:32

I'm sorry, that's the wrong question.

4:34

I shouldn't have asked. No? Okay.

4:37

You want to kick off

4:39

the podcast like that? I

4:42

just think that with all

4:44

the things that we could

4:46

be focusing on on a

4:48

night like tonight to put

4:50

the focus on Jesus. Fact

4:52

is the most encouraged thing

4:55

that we could do. Absolutely.

4:57

Especially, especially in a space

4:59

that most people would think

5:01

it wouldn't happen. Yeah. I

5:03

think that's what I'm still

5:05

in awe of. It was

5:08

kind of... distracting to even

5:10

stand up and focus on

5:12

giving because I've been to

5:14

England and the significance of

5:16

a city in England is

5:18

that you don't get the

5:20

designation of a city unless

5:23

there's a cathedral. So

5:25

it doesn't matter how big

5:28

the area is or how

5:30

small it is, the distinction

5:32

of city can only happen

5:34

if there's a cathedral there.

5:37

There has to be a

5:39

building that represents God's presence,

5:41

then it can be a

5:44

city. If there's

5:46

no cathedral, it's a

5:48

shire, it's a township,

5:50

it's a village of

5:53

some sort. I don't

5:55

know other things that

5:57

Andy does. But this.

6:01

the reason why New

6:03

York City is New

6:05

York City is because

6:08

people were building places.

6:10

And isn't it funny

6:12

that you can build

6:15

something in one season

6:17

and not see it

6:19

failed to a next?

6:26

Like maybe this whole thing was

6:28

filled at one point from the

6:30

bottom all the way up to

6:32

the rafters. We were about to

6:34

open up the third and put

6:36

people up there in the choir

6:38

stands. But then we, you would

6:40

have to sing. And we didn't

6:42

have time for auditions. So I

6:44

just, I just feel like there's

6:46

some redemption that God may be

6:48

trying to tell all of us

6:50

because we're all sitting here. It's

6:52

not just me. that

6:54

maybe he wants us all to

6:57

be focused on redemption and redeeming

6:59

spaces. Maybe there are spaces that

7:02

we need to be redeeming that

7:04

have been used in one season

7:06

for something totally different, but

7:08

now that you're here, it can

7:11

mean something else. So when I

7:13

think about who you are, what

7:16

you represent. This idea of normalizing

7:18

vulnerability. If there was ever a

7:20

space to redeem, it should be

7:23

our own facts. It should be

7:25

our temples, our bodies, our minds,

7:28

our mouths, our eyes, our ears,

7:30

understanding that we were created by

7:32

God for God. And I

7:34

love this idea of just not

7:37

coming to church to worship. but

7:39

being so vulnerable with the

7:42

all the trauma,

7:44

all the discouragement,

7:46

and be really

7:49

honest about it.

7:51

Because I think

7:54

about all the

7:56

spaces that used

7:58

to represent something,

8:01

I think of

8:03

the person that

8:05

is currently operating

8:08

as a shell

8:10

of themselves. operating

8:13

as a shell of They

8:15

used to have joy, they used to

8:17

have praise. to Something happened and it shut

8:19

you down. shut you I think the best

8:21

thing you could do you could do is

8:23

with yourself as you wrestle with

8:25

God. God. that you would

8:28

wrestle with your feelings, your emotions, because

8:30

here's what I believe the Lord wants

8:32

to do tonight. He wants to redeem

8:34

you. you. Good. He He

8:36

wants to redeem your He He wants

8:38

to redeem your eyes for the one

8:40

that can't look at people without

8:42

having a perverted thought. He wants to

8:44

redeem that for the one that

8:46

can't open their mouth without saying something

8:48

slick or sarcastic. He wants to

8:50

redeem that for the one that can't

8:53

listen without hearing something negative. He

8:55

wants to redeem that for the one

8:57

that can't even think without having

8:59

an anxious thought, wants to to

9:01

redeem that. if there

9:03

was ever a temple. a a space or

9:05

a would be appropriate to be filled.

9:09

It's us. Yeah, absolutely. It

9:11

sucks. Yeah, So, I

9:13

mean. mean, Vulnerability is music to my

9:15

ears is music to

9:17

my ears. And when you when

9:19

you talk about normalizing it. I

9:21

am fixated on

9:23

Genesis on Genesis 225, which

9:26

is is the last verse. verse in

9:28

chapter number two. And

9:31

it says something very simple,

9:33

but simple, but it's a life

9:35

mission for me now. for me

9:37

now. is, and And that naked and

9:39

not they were naked and

9:41

not ashamed. actually what I'm going to

9:44

that. the rest of my life

9:46

that's actually what people back

9:48

going to spend the rest of my

9:50

life trying to get people back naked.

9:52

not like physically but But That would be

9:54

weird. to see if Adam and Eve I do want

9:56

to see, if Adam I made it

9:58

to heaven, I am have it. Like I'm

10:01

a worship God for for

10:03

millennia. then I'm a dap dapp Jesus up

10:05

for another millennia. Then I'm gonna be like,

10:07

did they make it? be like, did

10:09

they make it? Where they are? I just need

10:11

I just need to look them in the eye

10:13

and be like really in the eye and want to

10:15

talk to them about what could have been You

10:17

I want to talk to them about the fact

10:19

that about could have been like 72 degrees to talk

10:22

to them about the fact that it

10:24

could have been like 72 not

10:26

even knowing we're naked

10:28

like And we're naked. Right?

10:30

That his diaper his and is

10:32

running around and looking you

10:34

dead in the eyes. looking you

10:36

dead in innocence, that's purity, That's

10:39

purity. That's this vulnerability

10:42

of like, I'm safe here. of

10:44

I don't need to, I don't need need clothes,

10:46

I'm safe. need to, I don't need so I'm

10:49

safe, right? And so was all

10:51

stripped from us in Genesis from us

10:53

in Genesis 3. And I

10:55

think think we're fixated

10:57

on Genesis 3. Like

10:59

we're all fixated on, like, on

11:01

sending. sending like if I I could

11:03

just stop stop I gotta stop it. stop

11:06

keep going to that tree. tree so

11:08

So delicious, why do do I want it? And

11:10

then And then I'm over here just like, like I

11:12

just want to be naked again. naked again like I I

11:14

don't even want to see no trees. to I

11:16

just won't. I just won't I want to I um

11:18

it was you I was you. I didn't know you

11:20

was gonna be on the front row. front

11:22

row but she was downstairs because

11:25

you have to use the elevator

11:27

or go down the trap door to

11:29

get to the bathroom. trap door to get to

11:32

the bathroom. four people can get on

11:34

the elevator at a time, which is

11:36

crazy. the elevator at a

11:38

time, which is crazy. But it

11:40

only one floor.

11:42

supportive. But it's only one floor.

11:45

you get down there and I

11:47

say and I said, hi, how are

11:49

you? And she said, I'm OK.

11:51

And that was And that was

11:53

really her current condition. It

11:55

wasn't like, was like,

11:57

okay. She was like, I'm okay.

12:00

I'm very very I'm I'm very quick

12:02

to attune to people. to people.

12:04

And didn't have to say I'm just to

12:06

I could just OK. the way she said

12:08

okay. tell, by the way, she ain't good. That

12:11

just it ain't good. I said,

12:13

just what a refreshingly delightful.

12:15

God, what a honest response.

12:17

delightful, honest Like, she didn't

12:19

have to be she didn't have to be

12:22

asked me. have to... study. She

12:24

didn't have to. I know I know y

12:26

'all, I know y 'all scared of me in this room. room.

12:30

I know y 'all nervous. Y 'all

12:32

like y'all Does he is he,

12:34

does he care about

12:36

the room? What if

12:38

the stained glass Y

12:40

'all breathe. Y'all breathe.

12:42

But like that answer is

12:45

if we normalize

12:47

If we without having

12:50

to put having to

12:52

put Jesus glitter over

12:54

that? that, you you blessed, you made

12:56

it! it. You

12:58

made it here tonight, so it's

13:00

going to be all good. so

13:02

That's so dismissive. be all good. She just

13:04

said, I'm OK. She just Stuff ain't

13:06

good. ain't good. Which means it

13:09

ain't great, it's just It's just OK.

13:11

And sometimes we're so so uncomfortable

13:13

with people not being happy

13:15

happy we try to fix

13:17

to right then and there.

13:19

then and there. it's like, no,

13:21

like, no, today sucks. Just let

13:24

it sucks. We're

13:26

not making a declaration. that

13:28

all days will suck. days will Right,

13:31

we're just saying today we're

13:33

Today's not good. today does. Today's you

13:35

just said Yeah, it was

13:37

refreshing. So Tim, Which means it's

13:39

not though, it It should be, why

13:41

isn't it? means it's

13:43

not same be.

13:45

I just it? Because the

13:47

same church that I just

13:49

complimented, be

13:52

faking. We teach We teach

13:54

people how to fake. and

14:01

Because again, we want we

14:03

want people to be

14:05

good now. what

14:07

they told us what they told

14:10

us. and throw at

14:12

at Instead of just going,

14:14

what is it? Well, Instead

14:16

of just we don't have that

14:20

What is it? Well, how come we don't

14:22

have that curiosity to lean in? have we don't

14:24

have time. has time on a who

14:26

has time on a Sunday. five There's five

14:28

services. I also also think

14:30

it's the... the misunderstanding

14:32

of emotion. we'll throw a So at throw

14:34

a verse at somebody to an to

14:37

an emotion thinking that the verse

14:39

is and somehow the emotion is not.

14:41

The verse is a is a word from God,

14:43

the emotion is a gift from God. God. created

14:46

by God in his his exact image. if I

14:48

feel all those feelings, if it's just okay, or

14:50

or if it's frustrated, or if it's

14:52

angry, or if it's bitter, it's that's okay.

14:54

You could feel those feelings, and you still

14:56

love Jesus, and you still have hope,

14:58

and you still have faith, have There was

15:00

a movement at one point that said, if

15:02

you felt anything other than joy, I

15:04

mean, they didn't say it that way, but

15:06

what they were saying felt you felt anything

15:08

other than joy, then you did not

15:10

have faith. have faith. which is insane. they And

15:12

they would even say things like, well you

15:15

you gotta faith it, which is like

15:17

the is version of fake it. But

15:19

they put Jesus glitter on it like

15:21

you said, and they said you said, and But

15:23

the it. But with that is that we

15:25

are literally telling people to repress your

15:27

emotions and worship. And what's so hard

15:29

to understand about that is, how do

15:31

you get there if you read the

15:33

Bible? you read the Bible? and New

15:35

Testament. mean, my goodness, my goodness, the

15:37

book of songs. Slow down. down. Yeah,

15:40

the, the, the, slow down. the, the,

15:42

the, down. of songs. No,

15:44

no, not. Here's why you,

15:46

you need to slow down. I

15:49

why you to slow down. I want you to

15:51

continue, but you have to slow down have to slow

15:53

down make. you make an

15:56

assumption that that people

15:58

need the whole vital. You

16:07

can draw that conclusion when

16:09

you assume when you made it from

16:11

Genesis to fair. People made it most

16:13

of us hopscotch to

16:15

revelation. But most of us hop-scotched

16:19

text. Man. We duck-duk

16:21

goose you know

16:23

Psalm 23 but you

16:25

never read you never read, 22,

16:27

24, 21, 25? don't know none at all.

16:29

Yeah, beautiful. when trouble comes

16:31

right you have no

16:33

idea there is there's

16:36

a whole section of

16:38

songs that ain't got

16:40

nothing to That ain't got the

16:42

to do. being with the

16:44

Lord being your salvation. person that

16:46

made a person that made

16:48

a journal entry was like

16:50

the wicked or I

16:52

don't even know why I

16:55

go to church know why I go to

16:57

church no more. That's the text. But

16:59

if, if, if

17:01

Jeremiah we have the

17:04

whole book is lamentations.

17:06

Right. But but we don't

17:08

ever read read We

17:10

don't ever sing songs of lament.

17:12

ever sing songs of lament.

17:15

So until we until

17:17

we invite people

17:19

back to arduous

17:21

arduous work. of

17:23

going from Genesis to Revelation. and

17:27

not skipping the boring parts.

17:29

the and the names that

17:31

you can't pronounce. the names that

17:33

you can't pronounce.

17:36

Nobody You act

17:38

like it's just in the text. You

17:41

know how much stress it is to look

17:43

at a D, in a J. You

17:45

know, I'm a stress it

17:47

is to look at a D-E

17:50

than a J. And a Q.

17:52

And a U-I-S. and be

17:54

like, hmm. Did

17:58

you care? I

18:02

don't know how to

18:04

say know how to say methanaya. You're

18:07

The text is there. And we have

18:09

to invite people back to do that work.

18:11

invite was thinking back

18:13

to do that work. I

18:16

was is just oily.

18:18

This is an oily oh,

18:20

Israel is just oily. This is an oily

18:22

man. And no I'm in

18:24

New York. I had to say

18:27

that York. I have to say that quick.

18:29

So I. Well,

18:33

you act like

18:35

you don't know,

18:37

you know. But

18:40

act like you don't know. You know. we're

18:43

But it's the building we're in. the the

18:45

building. That's

18:48

What that's another thing. Okay. Let Let

18:50

me give it to my point.

18:53

So me give it to my

18:55

point. So, um, the

18:58

text. I

19:00

was thinking about, about, won't

19:02

fail fail, he's able. and

19:04

he sings, and sings opens up, opens up and

19:06

then I want to preach. And I'm

19:08

like, I don't do that no more.

19:11

I don't do that don't do that a lot

19:13

no more. I still that no more. it, I just don't

19:15

do it a lot no more. that a lot

19:17

no more. gonna do it here a whole lot, by the way.

19:19

a lot no more. you an apartment in

19:21

New York that a lot no more. I still to

19:23

that a lot is like, I'm gonna get

19:25

you an apartment here. it. Gonna come

19:27

every six weeks. to Yeah, I'm like,

19:29

slow down. to the diner. it's nice. nice.

19:31

I'm it. in it. Amen. So

19:33

weird. So I was thinking

19:36

about Paul was thinking about Paul and And I

19:38

I was thinking about like what if

19:40

they were singing this song if this

19:42

was the song that they were singing

19:44

Like, what if this the earth

19:46

shook. that they were singing

19:49

jail. earth shook and the

19:51

open. cells popped They

19:53

weren't singing to get

19:55

out. to get out. They them in. in.

20:00

They weren't They weren't trying

20:02

to break out of nothing. nothing. They sung

20:04

until he came in. And when

20:06

when the jail doors popped open,

20:08

they were like, like, oh, who saw that

20:10

coming? saw that dude was about

20:13

to off dude was about to

20:15

off himself. other because all

20:17

the other prisoners were escaping. Paul and

20:19

Silas didn't run. run. Like

20:21

their Like their worship set

20:23

everybody else free, and they they

20:25

stayed. You

20:27

know how secure you gotta be be in the the

20:29

will of God for your life. your life? To know,

20:32

no, his will is for me to be

20:34

in prison. be in prison. Right. Because how

20:36

he gonna get I run.

20:38

Y'all trying to get y 'all trying

20:40

to get out God's trying to get into.

20:42

into. Right. And all I'm saying is, if you

20:44

don't read the whole text from And

20:46

all I'm saying is, if you don't read the whole text. from

20:49

Genesis to Revelation, And won't hold any

20:51

tension. an And you'll artist an escape artist

20:53

and everything you get in, he wants

20:55

to get you out. out. Right.

20:57

When when some of the stuff, he's

20:59

put. you in intentionally because that's the

21:01

only way he's gonna get only way he's going

21:03

to be in you? of you, what

21:05

shouldn't be in you? Right. Yeah,

21:09

so even Paul and and in in that moment,

21:11

they start to worship. to worship,

21:14

right? They weren't to get free. free. They

21:16

were were because they were free. they

21:18

were And they were free they were

21:20

bondage. They were free in captivity.

21:22

So you could be going through

21:24

something and yet and be stabilized. be stabilized.

21:26

Your emotions actually be be. be in a a

21:28

place where you don't allow what's

21:30

happening on the outside to get

21:32

on the inside. Which the if

21:34

we're going with that train I

21:36

thought I would challenge anyone in

21:38

the room that keeps finding themselves

21:40

in the same place over and

21:42

over. Instead of saying same why this

21:44

again? Why don't you ask saying, do

21:46

I need to learn this time? Why

21:48

Maybe you're in it again because you

21:50

have to learn something new so

21:52

that you could apply it to the

21:55

situation you're in learn opposed to saying,

21:57

that always it know, like, like you're the

21:59

Pooh. opposed to saying, always. guy, how about about do I

22:01

What do I need to get out

22:03

of so I I can figure it out? Which, where

22:05

the is where the vulnerability kicks back in

22:07

by the way this this is what I'm

22:09

feeling do I feel this do I feel this

22:11

way? even more then an even more interesting question

22:13

would be, be, did this feeling come from? from?

22:16

I mean when I sit in a When I

22:18

sit in a room like this and I

22:20

look back over my own life and

22:23

I think of all the different moments that

22:25

I've been in been in God has done

22:27

something great. done And then I've seen it

22:29

go from high to low, high to low,

22:31

high to low. mean, my goodness, it

22:33

was just a few years ago where me

22:35

just a few another service at another church I

22:37

was leading and then that got stolen. leading

22:39

and then that got And then I

22:41

gotta work through that. got to work through that quietly

22:43

worship my way through it. without

22:46

allowing that moment to take me

22:48

out. to take me out. I could

22:51

either choose to run or I

22:53

could choose I could choose

22:55

to be Paul and Silas. say

22:57

I don't understand. this all why

22:59

this all I do know God, you I do

23:01

know God, you are good. the praise, all the

23:03

you deserve all the praise, all

23:05

the glory and all the of So

23:07

talk about a moment of redemption we are,

23:09

now here we are again, and we're leading

23:11

again and we're in a different

23:13

room in a different space, actually doing

23:15

what we spoke about doing one one

23:17

of the conversations me me and is had. two

23:20

and a half, three years ago, three

23:22

years ago at this point at this actually

23:24

getting a a was in the LES,

23:26

the but we're but we're in Soho, and and now him leading

23:28

worship and me preaching. now look at this.

23:30

And all this is coming. back to my

23:33

memory in a real time, by the

23:35

way, this wasn't scripted. way. I just think

23:37

about God, you are so good. think about you

23:39

would do it that way. that you would do

23:41

it that when it doesn't make sense, you

23:43

do it, you do. you do. which

23:46

then also allows me, by the way, all

23:48

to feel all the feelings. God is still

23:51

good. know that God is still good. And

23:53

there's nothing churchy about that. There's nothing churchy

23:55

by saying, God you you are good even though

23:57

I feel really angry right now. now. God, are

23:59

still good. even though I'm frustrated I'm now,

24:01

which also speaks to this other

24:03

idea, even though I'm frustrated, I'm

24:05

still assigned. other idea, even

24:08

though I'm let's, let's dig

24:10

into this a little bit. So

24:12

let's dig into this a

24:15

beside me ever thought you knew

24:17

what God's will was? me ever thought

24:19

you knew what God's real

24:21

I mean you wrote

24:23

it, named it, claimed

24:25

it, talked about it,

24:28

posted it. it, And

24:30

then you were like, were

24:32

like, oh. What is this? This

24:34

is not, here's the thing,

24:37

is this? right, maybe

24:39

you, is not, here's

24:41

the thing, you saw maybe you

24:43

were right, maybe you, and you're

24:45

like, oh my you this moment and

24:47

you're like, oh my is this is what

24:49

you this is what you meant. But,

24:52

it's not what you thought.

24:54

what you thought. No. It meant.

24:56

Right? And so many

24:58

of of us navigate life

25:00

thinking we thinking we

25:02

know. will is supposed

25:05

God's will is supposed to unfold. times,

25:08

I don't want to say

25:11

I don't want to say most times. for

25:14

God to get For God to

25:16

get you where he wants you. has

25:19

He has to... Break your heart. Because

25:26

you love you love

25:28

something or

25:30

someone too much

25:32

To get to where

25:35

he wants you

25:37

Get to where he wants you to go,

25:40

holding on to that.

25:42

he'll literally break

25:45

your heart. You your

25:47

heart. tell don't

25:49

tell? that We,

25:54

our culture, thank you

25:56

for your yes. Thank you for your

25:59

yes. not mocking it, I'm

26:01

just saying it, Thank you for your hitch. saying that's

26:04

is the reason why this Thank you for

26:06

your yes. Your yes is the

26:08

reason why this unlocked.

26:11

And yes. came with came

26:13

with rejection. Man. That yes yes, came

26:15

with the loss of

26:17

a job. a job, that yes with

26:19

the moving of moving of a

26:21

state, that that yes came with

26:23

a breaking of a

26:25

soul tie of a soul tie, that. That,

26:29

came with with

26:31

the the pastor that

26:33

you served you years. for kicking

26:35

you out and locking the

26:37

dough behind and then talking about

26:39

you for the next six weeks

26:41

in a sermon series called and

26:43

then talking about you

26:46

for the next

26:48

six weeks in

26:51

a sermon series

26:53

called rebellion. Ask

26:55

me how I know. So...

26:57

Right. Vulnerability is

26:59

to talk. Thank you. Holy Spirit. I think

27:01

one of the reasons Holy Spirit. I

27:04

One of the reasons why I of the reasons,

27:06

God is on me

27:09

why I think God is on me

27:11

vulnerability us he is. is

27:14

because like he is, is we

27:16

were just as honest as

27:18

the as read as the Bible

27:20

we read, leave the

27:22

weekend would leave the weekend

27:25

going him too. Right. It

27:27

ain't just me. Oh, so to

27:29

stab somebody, too? somebody too.

27:31

That's okay. All right. Amen. Let me

27:33

take notes. How did I

27:35

stab somebody? That's the beautiful

27:37

thing though the beautiful thing though about New

27:39

York we are a that where we are a

27:42

little bit more honest than the You know what I

27:44

mean? know what I mean like in the everything

27:46

is you know bless your heart You

27:49

know they were just they were just threatening to

27:51

cut each other in the car and then

27:53

they get out holding their Bible. smile hold my

27:55

hand god is good all the time all

27:58

the time god is good, you know New

28:00

York York, you how's it going and

28:02

then we don't stop to figure

28:04

out how I was going. don't stop You

28:06

know the thing that is beautiful

28:08

is that You know, York that

28:10

city so much. is

28:12

that they can sniff out the and

28:14

why I love the reason

28:16

why something like this could

28:18

work. they can sniff out the

28:21

reason why And the reason why sounded

28:23

like a soccer soccer clap. They

28:26

like, y 'all were gonna... y'all were going

28:28

to keep going until others

28:31

joined you were the

28:33

wave! yeah. Start the way. No,

28:35

the thing about it is what it is is New York

28:38

is hungry for, which is why we could

28:40

do it in a building like this or

28:42

any other building, this building is beautiful, but

28:44

we don't need the screens and we don't

28:46

need all the extra things need all because it's

28:48

like, man, just give me Jesus. like, man, just me

28:50

in the presence of Jesus. And if we

28:52

could be honest about it, I'm

28:54

gonna do that because I am tired

28:56

I am tired of or the fake church. I'm tired

28:58

of all the lying pastors. I have to I

29:00

have to read one more headline, to read

29:02

if I have to read about one more

29:05

person, one more person that one more person left

29:07

that church for the same reason that the

29:09

last person left, you but you keep blaming

29:11

the people no one one is holding the

29:13

pastor accountable. I don't know if I could

29:15

do it anymore. And when they talk

29:17

like that, that, them them church When in reality,

29:19

they are tired of out out for help

29:21

and nobody's listening. So the the

29:23

reason why is not

29:26

Ability is not just a nice

29:28

thing to do. It is the

29:30

necessary thing to do if you

29:32

care about the you if you care

29:34

about Jesus and his bride and

29:36

the bride and Jesus getting intimate.

29:38

only happens through happens through vulnerability. You may be

29:40

You may be able to sleep

29:43

with someone, but when you know someone,

29:45

that that sleeping with that person is

29:47

very different. Me and my

29:49

wife have been together. We'll be celebrating be ten

29:51

years and just a few years in just

29:53

a few days. We dated for five years

29:55

years before that we've

29:57

been together longer we've been

29:59

with. one another. I've always loved

30:01

kissing her, I've always loved hugging

30:03

her, I've always loved holding her

30:05

hand. But when I kiss her

30:07

today, compared to when I first

30:09

kissed her, there's nothing like her, kiss.

30:11

There's a like looking in her

30:13

eyes today and telling her how

30:15

much her. love her and how

30:17

beautiful she is. her It how something she

30:19

is. It means intimacy, there's there's equity,

30:22

there's time, it's established. And me also

30:24

say this about me and my

30:26

wife that I just love. I just love.

30:28

up up honest. We we don't

30:30

have to warm up to have

30:32

an honest conversation. conversation. And my prayer

30:34

for the church that

30:36

we're building and planting

30:38

that we just called the Bible Study, is

30:40

that we don't have to warm you up.

30:42

that we don't have to warm you up.

30:44

you're upset. You're upset, tell us

30:46

you're upset. You're frustrated, say

30:48

you're frustrated. annoyed. You don't you don't believe

30:50

in the church? That's okay, I've been

30:53

there there too. I've been, yeah, thank you thank

30:55

you for your Yeah, Yeah, that

30:57

yes came with abandonment. It came

30:59

with rejection. It came with lies. lies.

31:01

It came with gossip felt like we had

31:03

to eat all to then But then.

31:05

But then. then God does what he

31:07

does. Absolutely. And you know you know what

31:09

that means? God begins to show off begins to

31:11

show off and prove. time. was doing

31:13

the entire time. And God is the with you

31:16

being honest go through. the process that you had

31:18

to go through. So the next time someone comes

31:20

up to me and says, yes, you for your

31:22

say, you I'm gonna say, talk about talk? yes? You yes?

31:24

to talk about how we got want to talk about

31:26

how we got here? You know when we asked Mike

31:28

to make the announcement to people to help break down,

31:30

we're not just being cute. We need

31:32

help, we need people to help break

31:34

down to help break comes with a whole lot

31:36

of work. yes comes is true about every

31:38

area that we're describing right now, especially

31:40

with our area Yeah, for sure. And

31:43

I want that to be

31:45

normalized. Yeah, I mean, that's why. want

31:47

that to be why I do this now. I

31:49

mean, that's why I sit down way

31:51

more than I stand up way more

31:54

talk stand up and just talk about,

31:56

again, I read the Bible. The the Bible,

31:58

the first time I read the Bible.

32:00

like intentionally was

32:02

January was January

32:04

1996. 1996. life to Gave

32:06

my life to Jesus January 14th

32:08

of 96 which was a

32:11

Sunday I woke up on Monday and

32:13

I was on Monday I guess I better read it. I

32:15

guess I better read it since

32:17

I'm safe I think this is what Christians do.

32:20

is what And I,

32:22

and I had

32:24

a King James a

32:26

King James version. Thompson reference,

32:28

King James. study Bible.

32:31

And I And I

32:33

started from from Genesis

32:35

1, 1, and just started

32:39

and it didn't take me. long to realize,

32:42

me long oh. oh,

32:44

oh, oh, we been crazy.

32:47

Like I wish Like, I

32:49

wish Moses but

32:51

I wish but I

32:53

wish like Tolkien would have

32:55

wrote it. a because

32:57

I think it would have been

33:00

it would chapters of chapters of like how

33:02

how luscious the grass was,

33:04

in and the trees, in

33:06

and the Tigris River in and

33:08

the Euphrates, and the butterflies,

33:10

had orange and purple hues like

33:12

it would have just been would

33:14

have just been have been more

33:16

descriptive and have been

33:18

more descriptive and beautiful. like But

33:20

it's like created God created everything.

33:22

Chapter two, God created man.

33:24

Chapter three. three man. Man

33:31

the whole whole

33:33

thing up. number

33:35

number four. is born,

33:38

Abel is born, Cain kills

33:40

Abel. Kane. It's the

33:42

It's the

33:44

first family. It wasn't

33:46

even neighbor, you don't

33:48

You don't merge your

33:51

brother. Chapter number

33:53

five. Chapter number

33:55

number six number

33:59

six. the

34:01

sons of God, start

34:03

sleeping with the daughters

34:06

of men. Guys like,

34:08

drown them all. Dang!

34:11

Chapter number seven,

34:13

flood. Chapter number

34:16

eight. Chapter number

34:18

eight, waters are receded. Chapter

34:20

is off the

34:23

boat gets drunk

34:25

off the boat, gets

34:27

drunk. Dang! His

34:29

son looks at his

34:31

dad, but naked. naked. Damn!

34:34

Chapter number 11. They

34:36

all got the same 11

34:38

they all got the same language

34:40

and guess what They to build something

34:42

all the way to God something of them

34:44

gotta come down, break up the language.

34:47

of them got to come

34:49

down, languages

34:51

now. language. Everybody

34:53

talking different

34:55

languages now. Damn!

34:59

Abram, get out of that country to a place that I shall

35:01

show you. that country

35:03

to a 12 is over. I Is

35:06

this your wife? No, that's my

35:08

sister. 12 is over.

35:10

Is this your wife?

35:12

No, that's my sister.

35:18

13. Lot is acting acting

35:20

like he made all the money. He

35:22

didn't make no money. no His His

35:24

beefing with is beefing and then they got

35:26

us. split where it is and does

35:28

they got a split. Where does,

35:30

where does, lot go? To

35:33

Gamoro. Ten. Sixteen. Seventeen. Eighteen

35:35

is a 16, back 17,

35:37

18 is a bunch of

35:39

to and forth between God

35:41

trying to establish His covenant

35:43

with Then he has to Then he has

35:45

to circumcise himself with a a rock.

35:52

Your boy is like

35:54

88 years old.

35:57

No anesthesia. No

36:00

Interceptic, just a sharp rock. And

36:02

a sharp rock.

36:04

house got to do it too. They're

36:06

like, what did you hear again? Chapter

36:09

And everybody in this house got

36:11

to do it gets burnt up. Not

36:13

for homosexuality. It gets burnt

36:15

up. It gets burnt up. Not

36:18

for homosexuality. It

36:20

gets burnt up. It It gets burnt

36:22

up, Not not for homosexuality. It

36:25

gets burnt up because there is no

36:27

no righteous people there. That's

36:31

why we need a place. need a this

36:33

this this area because

36:35

if the righteous people people

36:37

disappear, that's when judgment comes

36:41

Sometimes the only reason why why is

36:43

not coming not your house to

36:45

your to your your job your nothing to

36:47

do with their to do with has

36:49

everything to do with the fact

36:51

that everything to do as long as you

36:53

still you still there. like I got

36:55

a good one on the inside

36:57

and I'm gonna hold the whole good

36:59

one on the long as and I'm gonna hold the

37:01

whole company up as long as she works

37:04

there. Now if y'all fire her, I'm

37:06

a fold the whole company. But as

37:08

long as my daughter is in the

37:10

house. I I don't even

37:12

know what don't know, sorry. So, I

37:14

love I love that you

37:17

start off I love that you

37:19

start off by saying that you don't preach

37:21

anymore. preach anymore. So, so,

37:23

2021, 22, Isaac's born,

37:25

his name actually means

37:27

born, his name actually

37:29

means laughter. Hager, Hager, Hagar

37:32

bat in the stick on

37:34

that. on that. All

37:37

I'm saying is, is you don't,

37:39

oh, then get to the then

37:41

get to the 30s of

37:43

have their kids. Abraham, They have

37:46

their kids, Abraham

37:48

Isaac Jacob, and

37:50

then Judah has some

37:53

kids and then, um,

37:55

Judah's son, uh, er,

37:58

marries this that

38:00

he he dies. And so the And

38:02

so the way situation was

38:04

set up is like, if the it

38:06

up is like, if the dude

38:08

dies and the brother has to

38:10

marry that woman and raise kids on

38:12

it's weird. It's weird. And so, but Onan, Onan pulls

38:15

out, out, out game

38:17

out game scripture, Genesis. He

38:20

pulls, this is the He pulls out, out

38:22

the seed, his seed. And and seed, then,

38:24

and then Tamar is is like, what's

38:26

going on here? on here? Right. he

38:28

says, well, I'll promise you my

38:30

third son, I'll promise you my third son, Sheila.

38:32

But, but, but, yeah, her own aunt

38:34

and then Sheila. And then, but Judah's like,

38:37

oh, Judah's like, to get with

38:39

everybody goes with this

38:41

girl. crazy, so goes a little crazy so I'm

38:43

not giving my son. then she has to has

38:45

to dress up like a a pressitude to

38:47

trick her trick her father -in -law

38:50

And with her. See, 'all, see, on with

38:52

Y 'all, they read it. 'all, duck -duck -boost

38:54

see, that shock, y'all they

38:57

read it, y'all duk,

38:59

duk, duk, duk, duk,

39:01

duk, duk, the fact,

39:03

let me turn that

39:05

flicks off. So, Tamar

39:08

gets Tamar gets pregnant

39:10

by her father her father alone,

39:12

and Judah's like,

39:14

you was more you

39:16

was more righteous than I am. That's

39:22

just just the 30s. I ain't

39:24

I ain't got the 40s and the

39:26

50s with So you don't get

39:28

out of the book of beginnings? of the book

39:31

of knowing how flawed

39:33

humanity is. flawed humanity is. Right.

39:35

The is to then

39:37

show up on

39:39

Sunday. then show up on Sunday.

39:41

for the past of the hack past of

39:43

the act He ain't since

39:45

the youth group he was in

39:47

in 1990 died. in 1990.

39:50

That's cap. That's

39:52

not true, true. Right. And And that's

39:55

the duplicity that I think

39:57

that the Lord is Lord is like that

40:00

we can get back to back to like a

40:02

a really sound Bible church that's

40:04

like, okay, we deal with like, this

40:06

we and with sin this way a journey

40:08

on a journey fall when you fall,

40:10

just own it and stop trying

40:12

to make excuses for it. for it

40:14

get back up up just keep moving. I

40:16

think a big part of it I that a

40:18

big part of it though is that

40:21

people romanticize their testimony.

40:24

And they to to

40:26

highlight what they were. Like you ever

40:28

hear somebody tell their testimony and they're telling

40:30

you what God saved them from but

40:32

they're talking about it in such a way

40:34

that almost makes you think that they

40:36

still wanna do it. You know what I

40:38

mean? almost makes had bad girls, I had

40:40

a hundred girls do it. You know what I mean? Like,

40:42

I had bad girls. I had a

40:45

hundred girls. And you're like, oh. you

40:47

you, are you happily married married or?

40:49

Right. Exactly. know it's like it's

40:51

like it's like, Uncle leaving the one

40:53

I go after in the one to go

40:55

wrong 99. Wait, that's wrong. But you

40:57

you remember Uncle Rico Dynamite, he

41:00

just, he he just, he runs

41:02

around showing his highlight reel. And, and this

41:04

is how I used to throw back

41:06

in the day. to throw in the day. right,

41:08

cool. reference, all right, cool. But, um. Because I grew I

41:10

grew up around that where people

41:12

always talked about what they were and who

41:14

who they were as if they

41:16

didn't need new mercies this morning. God

41:19

provides us new mercies every morning

41:21

because we need it. what was the

41:23

thing was the thing that God had

41:25

to apply his mercy to in

41:27

your actually actually gonna help me me you who you

41:29

me who you were 20 ago is cool what me

41:31

what you're dealing with 20 minutes

41:33

ago is helpful tell me about your

41:35

last 20 days tell me tell

41:37

me about what you've been going through

41:40

as a pastor as a an elder, as

41:42

a a worship leader, somebody as as

41:44

that that travels as an

41:46

evangelist, I as a missionary. the I

41:48

know you you're human as you love the Lord.

41:50

So stop love the your So stop hiding

41:52

your humanity from me because when

41:55

you hide your humanity, me this me this

41:57

perception that you're this holy superhero. And

41:59

I can't. late with that.

42:01

Okay. Okay. you're right. Y 'all

42:03

should clap because that was

42:05

great. That was was great. That right,

42:07

so one. All right. So here, one

42:09

of the things I don't think this

42:11

is the only thing that the things. but

42:13

here's one of the things. this is the

42:16

only thing that plays enamored

42:18

with our reputations. of the

42:20

things. Yeah. I've been been

42:22

thinking about this. I've been brooding

42:24

over this for months. this for months.

42:27

In Philippians, too. Paul

42:29

writes and says says

42:32

that Christ thought himself of no reputation.

42:35

of no like he

42:37

just gave up glory. he just

42:40

I can't be me. glory. to

42:42

save them like be now, save

42:44

give all of this up

42:46

and now. Yeah. go get in a

42:48

womb I created. all of this up

42:51

and then I got to

42:53

go get then a to

42:55

be born. to

42:59

be nursed. the breast

43:01

of the breast of a woman I I

43:03

put the milk into? into. Man.

43:05

And then grow up around

43:07

the grow up around

43:09

this humanity and then bleed out on

43:12

the cross then them. out on

43:14

the cross for them, glory

43:16

give up all glory and

43:18

reputation to go right? do that,

43:20

right? been And so I've

43:22

been enamored by that I I

43:24

think like our like our reputations a

43:26

lot. And

43:28

I think that's what makes us try

43:30

to, us try to us. more in love with

43:32

this in love with this narrative that

43:34

we're so distant from the sin that

43:36

we used to be a part of,

43:39

that that can show it like a highlight

43:41

it like a was so long ago. was so long

43:43

ago. I'll never forget this. this this preacher was preacher

43:45

was talking say this preacher say this preacher

43:47

was probably in his heard heard this

43:49

story like in my late 20s early

43:51

30s this preacher was in his

43:53

late 40s early 50s and he was

43:55

talking to a preacher in his in

43:57

his 70s and the and the preacher his late

43:59

40s 50s was like, hey, I

44:02

I want you to mentor me.

44:04

I need prayer. Like, I want to get

44:06

to get to your level where

44:08

I need to know like, how do need to

44:10

know like how do you stop

44:12

struggling with like lust and sexual sexual

44:14

And the And old preacher said, old

44:16

have to ask somebody you're going to

44:18

have to have somebody older

44:20

than Great. like the

44:23

greatest answer. answer

44:26

ever. Right. Because

44:28

there's this thought

44:31

that tenure equals

44:33

less temptation. less

44:36

temptation. How? When

44:38

scripture says in

44:40

this flesh dwelleth

44:43

no good thing. Man.

44:45

So it doesn't

44:48

it doesn't matter how much salvation

44:51

you've experienced.

44:54

experienced, if these doors

44:56

locked and we and

44:58

we couldn't get out for three days. three

45:00

days, well, Well, you gon'

45:02

see some see some flesh. The moment

45:05

somebody The moment somebody

45:07

blurs sugar gets low. you're gonna

45:09

be like, be like, you

45:11

were so nice during to him

45:13

worship. We've been in been in

45:15

here 11 and a half a half hours. I'll

45:22

kill you, get food. So we,

45:24

food. trust my flesh. I trust the Holy

45:27

I don't trust my

45:29

flesh. my I trust

45:31

the in my still susceptible to the I'm

45:33

still susceptible to the same stuff

45:35

I was susceptible to before I

45:38

gave my life to Jesus 28

45:40

years ago, except ago. trust the I

45:42

in my disciplines. Ghost I

45:44

don't, if I in

45:46

here are anybody in here on like

45:49

a stringent eating plan.

45:53

Y'all y'all just, y'all, they're like,

45:56

I feel like

45:58

here. I feel like it. like

46:00

it it. ain't nobody gonna tell

46:02

me different. gonna tell me I don't know

46:04

why I gave you that fat

46:06

over know why I gave you that

46:08

fat overboys, a pretty I

46:11

do intermittent fasting I do I'm I'm

46:13

I'm really close to being

46:15

a and then I'm really close but

46:17

I still like raw

46:19

a lot I still

46:21

So a lot and eggs. So I'm

46:24

half raw right? right? But

46:26

here's the thing, the thing, there's a lot

46:28

of stuff I don't have to worry about,

46:30

have just, there's a discipline to my diet.

46:32

there's a discipline to my diet. The

46:35

chances of me of me theitis

46:37

is probably not happening

46:39

because happening, because I don't eat

46:41

a lot of processed food fried food and all

46:43

fried food and all that kind

46:45

of stuff. That's discipline. If If you

46:47

don't get out of your discipline. your You

46:50

don't have to worry about certain things. worry about

46:52

certain but to not acknowledge

46:54

that if that if I... do get

46:56

out of my discipline. my discipline. I

46:58

am successful. as

47:00

anybody else on any any

47:03

is why I don't judge other people when

47:05

they fall. judge other people They just

47:07

had too many cheat They just had too

47:09

many cheat days. Oh, one

47:11

of them cheat good. And one of

47:13

them cheat days included

47:16

cheating. And I can wind

47:18

up in Delilah wind up into Lila if

47:20

I hang out at night. hang out at

47:22

night. I don't. Ain't

47:25

nobody ever gonna see me

47:27

nowhere? nobody ever ran into me at the

47:29

mall. ran into me at runs into

47:31

me. I don't runs into not supposed

47:33

to be. Why? I know

47:35

me. supposed to be. Why? was me. I was

47:38

a whole home. I

47:41

was. I was I was sexually

47:43

abused at eight, and so I so I was

47:45

sexualized at a very young age.

47:47

I was exposed to pornography at 12

47:49

years old, and then by the

47:51

time a girl allowed me to kiss

47:53

her, it was a me to kiss her,

47:55

it was a wrap. That, it was

47:58

great. and

48:00

it an appetite in my flesh. So when I

48:02

gave my life to Jesus. when I memories didn't

48:04

go away. those memories

48:06

didn't go away. go away.

48:09

didn't I just had to keep the hole

48:11

away from. the hole away from the

48:13

streets. Because

48:16

the in me belongs to the

48:18

streets. Alright, but Tim,

48:20

this tension that you're this tension

48:22

that you're describing. a handful of

48:24

people in sure that get a little

48:27

bit People in the room that get

48:29

a little bit talk. this I want to I want

48:31

to help them real quick Because those

48:33

are the people that are saying Tim, please

48:35

be careful Don't give give people permission

48:37

to sin because when you make this

48:39

when you make this talk so flippant this

48:41

way, people are gonna think it's okay.

48:43

And this is exactly what we're getting at.

48:46

at. Just because I admit my

48:48

humanity does not mean that I

48:50

am accepting the behaviors of my

48:52

humanity. is why is why when we talk

48:54

about about some of our favorite

48:56

people in the Jesus Jesus number

48:58

one, and then I love

49:00

Paul. Paul. Paul himself

49:02

as as of sinners. of sinners. I

49:04

I mean, my goodness, he had

49:06

titles. titles after some of you and some have

49:08

all these titles and we don't

49:11

know who gave it to him, but

49:13

but and we don't know who gave it to him but but Paul

49:15

chose that too far my the

49:17

title the title chief of center

49:19

he identified says, says I was the

49:21

worst of the worst. Why? Because

49:23

he did not forget who he

49:26

was. who And when you when church

49:28

games. church games you You

49:30

get really poor results because you

49:32

you start identifying in ways if you

49:34

if you do with the the and as if you

49:36

if you don't deal with temptation You

49:38

want to talk about a discipline

49:40

that everyone needs to take on take on

49:42

daily repentance. The repentance

49:45

is not... for who wants to give their

49:47

wants to give their life to

49:49

Jesus for the first time. your

49:51

You have to work out your salvation

49:53

daily and each and every day you

49:55

need I repent. What am I repenting of?

49:57

Of all the because you have you have way

49:59

more - than you do good do good

50:01

qualities that I say that with all

50:03

respect, or respectfully you're not

50:05

that good good. You don't have

50:08

all that that that that that that

50:10

you have you you need to

50:12

do is is repent of of

50:14

what of whatever it is that of whatever

50:16

it is that you're struggling with. And

50:18

what does does mean? Repent simply means to

50:20

turn away. turn away. What is the

50:22

sin to miss a mark? So I'm going going to

50:24

turn away from that mark and now

50:26

I'm going to hit the right right

50:29

And you know what I love so

50:31

much about this language? It is normalizing

50:33

this idea that daily we miss the

50:35

mark. the If you could just get used

50:37

to to identifying the fact. that you are

50:39

not perfect and that you

50:41

you the the daily, you will

50:43

become very comfortable explaining what

50:45

you're actually going through. through

50:47

people that you're supposed to be doing life

50:49

with. be I hear one more

50:51

hear talk about we do life

50:54

together, really? really? So

50:57

how come they're suffering silence?

50:59

They do Sunday together. They do

51:01

Sunday together. But why are they why

51:03

are they battling depression? depression? addiction. have

51:05

a porn on their spouse? Why Why do

51:07

they hate their spouse? Why do they not

51:09

want to go home to their spouse? Why

51:11

are they overeating? Why are they home to their

51:13

And nobody knows. You're not doing life together. they

51:15

You're doing church together. Big knows. You're If difference. doing

51:18

life together, Then then you're going to be

51:20

able to let me get a peek

51:22

in on your reality. And I'm going to

51:25

be a but a walk with you

51:27

through it, it, which talks about this other

51:29

idea. If If we normalize talking about

51:31

hardship, we we won't be so quick to

51:33

run away from somebody when they're experiencing

51:35

hardship. And the And is

51:37

the best at running from The church is

51:39

the church is the best at sending

51:41

missionaries to other countries. They are They

51:43

are great at saying, to do a

51:45

serve day of of our community. What What

51:48

about the people in your

51:50

church. church? What about you you

51:52

them you serve serve their and you help

51:54

help them not when you hear hear,

51:56

not when you hear that they went through

51:58

something you put up sermon series

52:01

about called, would you you call it?

52:03

Rebellion. You know, you actually you actually help

52:05

them and walk with them and you

52:07

talk with them because I'm so

52:09

comfortable with my own story. it so I

52:11

I talk about it I talk about it so

52:13

much. I know it makes people uncomfortable,

52:16

but I'm very comfortable talking about everything I

52:18

went through I up in church. up in church,

52:20

being as a child a times. times

52:22

the the church. being a leader within the

52:24

church, overseeing the youth ministry, being an

52:26

executive pastor, being a senior pastor. a senior

52:28

pastor. so used to talking about it, it,

52:31

when also after I identified it all, I I

52:33

would say there were plenty of people

52:35

that said they were going to show

52:37

up and never do. to show up and

52:39

never did. I this quote, and I don't I want

52:41

to be mindful of this. it's not

52:43

my quote but it was beautiful it says

52:45

if you did not help me says, if my

52:47

restoration help me through my restoration, you do

52:49

the details of what broke

52:51

me. And

52:54

I think that we as believers have

52:56

to be safe enough. with

52:58

walk with people. talk and to talk

53:00

with people. have to have

53:02

honest conversations opposed to listening to

53:05

the the rumor mill listening to

53:07

the lies and making making up

53:09

people this is what I gotta say

53:11

this is why I love you so

53:13

much what I love about you before

53:15

you ever you basement you ever before

53:17

you ever became ever

53:19

Tim Tim Ross. You were were one

53:22

you were one of my favorite you

53:24

were one. one of my mentors

53:26

and And when me and my wife went

53:28

through one of our toughest our where I

53:30

was battling depression. I was My wife knew

53:32

to call you. knew to call you. And

53:34

you picked up the phone. And then

53:36

you called me I was I was

53:38

driving in the car I was I

53:40

was headed I was was just driving

53:42

I I was overwhelmed and I I

53:44

felt depressed and I I felt like

53:46

isolating and you spoke me through me and

53:48

to me and you said Chris

53:50

this out figure this out and I

53:52

didn't even know what I was

53:55

figuring out I just felt completely

53:57

broken broken and I had all the PTSD

53:59

that I would through and

54:01

the the reason why I'm identifying it

54:03

is to to hopefully help

54:05

somebody. from run away from

54:07

somebody when they come to you because

54:09

everyone talks about wanting people to show

54:11

up for them, there but there are

54:13

people that show for other people that are

54:16

talking about you want people to show

54:18

up for you, you but what you sell what

54:20

you you read. That's who

54:22

you surrounded yourself yourself with. Surround

54:24

yourself with people that can

54:26

show up. Surround yourself with

54:28

people that can handle your

54:30

your Surround yourself with people that

54:32

could sit in the tension of your sit

54:35

in your discouragement. and

54:38

your could tell how healthy

54:40

somebody is. healthy by their

54:42

willingness to to sit with

54:44

you. If they run because they

54:46

hurting, you're hurting. not healthy. They're

54:49

not healthy. And

54:51

really, what they're not, what they're running from,

54:54

they're not really from, they're they're running from

54:56

themselves. from you, they're what is it

54:58

in you that reminds them of them

55:00

that they haven't dealt with? them of That's

55:02

the other part about vulnerability. If we

55:04

don't start getting comfortable with all the

55:06

parts start all the emotions and all

55:08

the feelings. parts and all the emotions and

55:11

somebody comes to us somebody you could

55:13

pray over them. you could pray over but I

55:15

think it would be great that after you pray

55:17

to God, pray to you talk to them. them. and

55:19

you sit with them and you lead them

55:22

you guide them because if I hear one

55:24

more story you know you know why I it,

55:26

because it happened to me. It happened to

55:28

It happened to my family, it happened

55:30

to my wife my two my two children thank

55:32

God, God loved the the Lord but the

55:34

very people that to to be there for

55:36

them and love on them turned their on.

55:38

them. All because stuff they didn't want

55:40

to deal with. Now, when you talk

55:43

about vulnerability, about this is what I'm talking

55:45

about. is what talking about about. I'm

55:47

candid conversation kind could actually help

55:49

people out of the pits that

55:51

they feel like they are

55:53

dying. pits that they feel like How do

55:55

we help people? How do we

55:58

help people get comfortable?

56:00

it just talking and sharing

56:02

the story over and over

56:04

and the and the of constantly

56:06

repenting? It's this It's what we're

56:08

doing what we're doing is is

56:10

why the Holy Spirit told me

56:13

to Spirit told me to start the podcast. And even

56:15

though I didn't want to do it, I did

56:17

to do it, I did it. And we have

56:19

these kind of conversations where people

56:21

feel like, where I don't like

56:23

like, oh, just said that he just said

56:26

you can, when something something you, you.

56:28

you have two responses. I'll

56:31

tell tell you the first one which is a word, the

56:33

second one isn't a word but it rhymes. one

56:35

isn't a just let it go. it rhymes.

56:37

Just you can respond with

56:39

curiosity. respond with or you

56:41

respond with or you respond with

56:44

curiosity. you inward.

56:46

leads you inward to yourself.

56:49

So where you can answer the question, what

56:51

is it about what is being said? is

56:53

being said? That me have to

56:55

deal with something in

56:58

me. furious about you're

57:00

furious about something it

57:02

triggered you external you you

57:04

and you usually wind up blaming the

57:06

person that triggered that triggered you. They

57:08

have nothing to do with it. do with it. Why

57:10

does this Why is what you said

57:12

you me? bother me? Like it cracks

57:15

me up every four

57:17

years to see the vast swing

57:19

swing in emotions that

57:21

people have for presidential candidates.

57:23

candidates. Which me conclude, especially

57:25

for believers, once again. believers, once

57:27

have been reading the Bible straight through. been reading

57:30

the clearly said that the government

57:32

was on geniuses' shoulders. that

57:34

the government was on Jesus'

57:36

shoulders. So wins the

57:39

election tomorrow tomorrow got years.

57:42

I still got my king for

57:44

eternity. keen for What the problem is? the

57:47

problem is? What is

57:49

the whole what, what

57:51

is the whole problem? on

57:53

who depending on who wins, be

57:56

be in con... I'm... may

57:58

be personally maybe. I

58:00

know. know. Maybe some policy

58:02

passes that I don't want. like. I

58:05

don't know. But, like, the church has

58:07

survived has survived 2 ,000 years

58:09

of persecution and pestilence. And

58:11

this this to do some? about

58:14

to do so? Han and I am

58:16

Michel and Azariah, I don't I don't

58:18

call them by by names. slave names.

58:21

Opposed never can never to

58:23

his face. his face. They

58:25

said, we're not going to bow down. going to

58:27

bow you don't, I'm to throw you in

58:29

a fiery furnace. They was like, then if you

58:31

don't, I'm going to throw

58:34

you in a fiery

58:36

furnace. They got thrown in. They didn't

58:38

get delivered from it. They got delivered through

58:40

it. They

58:42

literally got They got

58:44

delivered through it. They Then

58:47

they got promoted. fired. Then they

58:49

got promoted. Why?

58:52

Because they understood.

58:55

that the truth is just

58:57

better better than a lie. I don't

58:59

have to be triggered by I

59:01

don't have to be triggered by you. allow what

59:03

you say to have what what you

59:06

say my day. literally ruin my

59:08

day. hot, what if I do

59:10

run me what is not about me that's

59:12

not settled yet? a lie,

59:14

because I that keeps the lamp, because I don't want to

59:16

a. a to your next

59:18

post. post. I

59:21

don't want to be a slave to your

59:23

next comment. to your I don't want to

59:26

be a slave to who wins tomorrow. be a

59:28

slave to who wins tomorrow. If

59:30

I'm gonna be a slave to be a slave Paul

59:32

said, I'm a slave to

59:34

Jesus. slave to Jesus. I

59:36

gladly wear whatever chains he wants me

59:38

to wants me to wear name

59:40

his name may be glorified, but

59:42

all this other stuff is

59:44

just like is just like, nah, we're good. This

59:47

too shall pass. Right. and

59:49

vulnerability the moment this becomes

59:51

normalized for you. Prepare

59:53

for for to get smaller. for

59:56

your circle to get smaller.

59:58

Because if there's naked

1:00:00

person. a walking down the street right

1:00:02

now. down the There's two types of

1:00:04

people. Those are two this, oh of

1:00:06

people. Those are going disturbing. like

1:00:08

this. Oh God. That's disturbing. I

1:00:10

wonder if you knows. And

1:00:12

be these people. going to be

1:00:15

these people. Can't take the eyes

1:00:17

off them. can't take their eyes off

1:00:19

them. is Vulnerability is attractive to people.

1:00:21

want it that want it for themselves. Vulnerability

1:00:25

is disruptive to

1:00:27

people. that are

1:00:29

still trying to

1:00:31

hide themselves. trying to

1:00:34

hide themselves. A good old balcony

1:00:36

felt that that And I'm

1:00:38

just trying to

1:00:41

normalize vulnerability to

1:00:43

normalize vulnerability to the point.

1:00:45

say she's not okay. can

1:00:48

say tell you when I was

1:00:50

a tell you, when I was a young

1:00:52

pastor. When I was

1:00:54

a was a I was a young adult pastor for four

1:00:56

years. I was a young I've been

1:00:58

married for 25 years this year.

1:01:00

I've been with Julia for

1:01:02

26. this year. I've been

1:01:04

with Julia for 26. I've

1:01:06

been married for 25. So I

1:01:09

told y'all what told y 'all what my

1:01:11

were days were like. so I keep

1:01:13

an eye I keep an eye on that four

1:01:15

years, years, there were three

1:01:17

young ladies that I found a track.

1:01:20

Attraction is not something you plan. you

1:01:23

plan. is not a sin. not a is

1:01:25

a sin. a sin. Attraction is

1:01:27

not. So attraction is not not

1:01:29

a sin, but your reactions to your attractions

1:01:31

can become a sin. can become

1:01:33

a sin. So I counseled so many many

1:01:35

people and they're just names

1:01:38

that pop up on my

1:01:40

calendar from my admin. And this

1:01:42

again over the course of three years

1:01:44

the course of four years four years,

1:01:47

There were three young ladies. ladies. all over

1:01:49

that span. There There are three they came to

1:01:51

came to have a counseling session. I

1:01:53

looked at them and was like. and was

1:01:55

like, God bless you and your parents. your

1:01:57

parents. man, amen. parents. get

1:02:00

a fine job with you. you. Like, my

1:02:02

body is telling My body

1:02:04

is telling me All right, cool. All

1:02:07

right, cool. a sin. And I'm a not a sin.

1:02:09

I can And I'm a professional, I

1:02:11

can get through this counseling session. When

1:02:14

they I called my I called my

1:02:16

in. I told my and I told

1:02:18

my I can't. this person Counsel this

1:02:20

person anymore. so They're so defensive. What

1:02:22

if they do, they do pastor? I'll get

1:02:24

them get them for you what do do? do

1:02:28

they do I said they've

1:02:30

done nothing except breathe done nothing except some

1:02:33

fine That's some fine breathing they

1:02:35

They are breathing just

1:02:37

fine. fine. And I recognize that that

1:02:40

there's an attraction. and

1:02:43

I should not look I

1:02:45

should not look forward to my counseling session.

1:02:49

Right. So find them somebody else And it

1:02:51

wasn't weird. They didn't feel rejected.

1:02:53

They passed them on to another

1:02:56

pastor I was unavailable for the

1:02:58

next counseling session the happened three times,

1:03:00

but I said it as soon

1:03:02

as I I said it as soon as I recognized and

1:03:04

I I it in my

1:03:06

I went about to be to do that went

1:03:08

out with some, I the dude that went

1:03:10

out with some, myself, keep this to myself

1:03:12

knows that knows what I'm attracted then gonna

1:03:14

think. going to but I'm not really saved. really

1:03:16

saved. I read the Bible straight through. straight

1:03:18

through through. David was

1:03:21

looking at at Batheba when he he should

1:03:23

have been at war. war. Right.

1:03:25

Bathsheba was not in the not in

1:03:27

the wrong. Bathsheba thought thought was gone.

1:03:29

was gone. Right. She's not trying to

1:03:31

entice to entice David. used

1:03:33

his position of authority

1:03:35

in a perverted way. to

1:03:37

satisfy to satisfy his own fleshly

1:03:39

desires. I to put myself in

1:03:41

that situation. that situation. So if you

1:03:44

can you can normalize vulnerability

1:03:46

to that point. you

1:03:48

literally start changing. changing the the

1:03:51

atmosphere around you. you Because people then know, don't

1:03:53

go over, people know, don't go over go over you

1:03:55

ain't going to tell the truth. you ain't

1:03:57

gonna tell the truth. hang out

1:03:59

with Tim. Tim. you gonna be on

1:04:01

some fake stuff because that dude is about

1:04:03

to tell you stuff that you did

1:04:05

not you for that you did not ask for. I

1:04:08

was younger people would always say man

1:04:10

that's TMI and I would correct them

1:04:12

and say man, that's TMI. And I would correct

1:04:14

him and say, no, that's T-I-M. This

1:04:16

is my life. is my life. this

1:04:18

is, when I read the Bible, is when

1:04:20

I read the see in the this is what I

1:04:22

see in the Bible. I'll say this last

1:04:25

thing and then whatever you gotta do after this.

1:04:27

this. God the biggest

1:04:29

dry snitcher. snetcher. In

1:04:31

the universe. The book of

1:04:34

Genesis is him dry The

1:04:36

book of Genesis is him dry snitching on

1:04:38

humanity. wrote it, but he wrote

1:04:40

it, but he wasn't there. didn't

1:04:42

know what what Adam and Eve

1:04:44

did? did. Got over there so let

1:04:46

me tell you what. me tell you

1:04:48

where I have. I haven't all

1:04:50

these trees right trees, right? Then

1:04:53

when they eve who go go over

1:04:55

here. Looking at that that tree too

1:04:57

long, the up on her talking about

1:04:59

some. rolled up on her talking about eat

1:05:01

up every tree? God say

1:05:03

you could eat of every tree? Eagle, he

1:05:06

plunked up one of the fruits, took

1:05:08

it over to Adam, Adam, his stupid

1:05:10

self. He was was here before he was I

1:05:12

told him not to touch him not to touch

1:05:14

I guess I so fine. He forgot so fine,

1:05:17

he forgot. Like that's God's

1:05:19

traditional humanity. Moses

1:05:21

was nowhere around. So

1:05:25

is God trying to say? trying to

1:05:27

say? Tell the truth. Do

1:05:29

Do you know, acts

1:05:31

chapter number five takes takes place

1:05:34

the death burial Death,

1:05:36

burial, resurrection, and ascension

1:05:38

of Jesus Christ. So we're

1:05:41

So we're supposed to be be in the of grace. The

1:05:44

blood is at the mercy of the sea. the blood

1:05:46

has hit the mercy seat,

1:05:48

yet an anise and sifira

1:05:51

walk into this room.

1:05:54

to tell Peter and the rest of the

1:05:56

of the we brought all our money. money. And

1:06:00

then they dropped in.

1:06:02

That feels like Old

1:06:05

that feels like Old Testament

1:06:07

God. Except it there was New Testament.

1:06:10

What was he judging? he He

1:06:13

was judging duplicity. duplicity.

1:06:16

Stop stuff

1:06:18

if it ain't the truth. the

1:06:20

truth. Just hush. If

1:06:22

you ain't delivered,

1:06:25

don't say something.

1:06:30

Stop like like something,

1:06:32

that's They dropped dead in

1:06:34

the New Testament y 'all in the

1:06:36

that's not to scare y 'all like you

1:06:38

gon' drop dead. All I'm not to more than one

1:06:40

way to die. you gonna drop dead.

1:06:42

All I'm saying is, there's

1:06:44

more than one The enemy

1:06:47

die. The enemy Deception is Eve. a

1:06:49

lie. A lie has is truth in it. a lie.

1:06:51

truth in it. no truth in

1:06:53

it. Deception has some truth

1:06:55

in it. Lucifer said, too,

1:06:58

Eve, you die. die. Everybody

1:07:03

got a cell phone? Pull out your cell phone real quick.

1:07:05

Call out Check the percentage

1:07:07

on real quick. Check the Mine's

1:07:09

at 93%, I'm confident.

1:07:11

at 93% I'm confident. I

1:07:13

can I can text my wife

1:07:16

until three o 'clock in the morning

1:07:18

and watch a movie. the morning and watch her

1:07:20

moving. Got 'all Where y'all 'all

1:07:22

at? out some of y'all's? Where

1:07:24

14 73. 14%? You've had

1:07:26

a long day. 5 long

1:07:28

day. 5%? 56, but but

1:07:30

you have 5 You, you, you You waiting

1:07:32

for this service to end, ain't you? to

1:07:35

end, ain't you? You, I got to

1:07:37

get back to the car. I I

1:07:39

need my charger. back to the car. I need my charger. So

1:07:41

I'm at at at 5%. So you're a little, you're

1:07:43

like, bro, I got to power it

1:07:45

down. I ain't trying to do nothing.

1:07:47

I got to get back to the

1:07:50

car, right? You're way more careful I know

1:07:52

back got a little bit of right? You're way

1:07:54

more over here confident because

1:07:56

I'm you know you've got a the truth,

1:07:58

both of our phones are dying.

1:08:00

Because the moment it's

1:08:03

because the moment is off charger,

1:08:05

the The moment

1:08:08

is disconnected from the

1:08:10

source. disconnected from the

1:08:12

source. So we

1:08:14

got to stop

1:08:16

playing So we got

1:08:19

to stop playing ourselves. 93%, 97%

1:08:21

at 95%, 93%, you come

1:08:23

The moment you come

1:08:25

off that charger, you

1:08:27

dying. Adam

1:08:30

Eve. E drop dead dead they

1:08:32

bit the fruit. They started

1:08:34

dying. they started dying. And

1:08:36

it and it happened at a

1:08:38

fast rate. rate. Chapters, chapters

1:08:40

one through five, watch

1:08:43

how them years taper off.

1:08:45

Jokers was living at 900,

1:08:47

then 800, taper off. then

1:08:49

500, then 500, then then 800,

1:08:52

then 700, it then 500, then 400.

1:08:54

It was like, oh, use that

1:08:56

battery dropping quick. I

1:08:59

need to to stay plugged up

1:09:01

to the source. that I can

1:09:04

be my best. that I can

1:09:06

be my best out when I

1:09:08

come out and do whatever

1:09:10

I'm doing I get right

1:09:12

back on that charger because of

1:09:14

it I'm no good. Right, so like that's

1:09:16

the point that the vulnerability

1:09:18

leads to humility. Yes. So because when I'm when

1:09:21

I'm vulnerable with myself me

1:09:23

reminds me that I'm no good for

1:09:25

myself. you Yeah. If you have a

1:09:28

hard time admitting that what you might be

1:09:30

battling is a a God complex. Because

1:09:32

you trust in your own

1:09:34

strength, you you trust that you

1:09:36

have the power to survive when you're

1:09:38

disconnected from the charger. the And so

1:09:40

often you would would well, would that's

1:09:42

not true, I go to church, I

1:09:44

love Jesus. church. I Well, whose decisions

1:09:46

are you making? are you making? are you

1:09:48

seeking? Are you seeking validation? Are you Are

1:09:50

you seeking your desire? Or are

1:09:53

you seeking the heart of God? Because

1:09:55

what I've learned about the heart

1:09:57

of God, heart it will go against my

1:09:59

my heart wants. What God wants God

1:10:01

wants on this for what he

1:10:03

wants for us as believers

1:10:05

in this. climate, political climate is

1:10:07

not your post with your post, is it going to

1:10:09

your anything to do anything for anybody

1:10:11

at this point by the way you think it

1:10:13

will. But if you would just if you would just

1:10:15

trust that God is God and God

1:10:17

is in control You wouldn't put so

1:10:19

much trust into yourself and I think

1:10:21

the reason why we put so much

1:10:23

trust into ourselves is because we trust

1:10:25

ourselves, fact, we trust ourselves so much

1:10:27

like we are God. God. You're not not God.

1:10:30

You are somebody that is dying

1:10:32

without him, and you only get

1:10:34

to live when you include him,

1:10:36

when you submit yourself to

1:10:39

him. That's good. This the part of

1:10:41

part of the conversation. have to get

1:10:43

really we have to get really we're going

1:10:45

to have that if we're gonna have this

1:10:47

big conversation about vulnerability. Kim

1:10:50

be be honest enough with ourselves to

1:10:52

say we to say we

1:10:54

haven't been honest enough. been honest

1:10:56

about who I am. The haven't been

1:10:58

honest about to hear reason why I don't

1:11:01

want to hear you you're me is because

1:11:03

I know what you're gonna tell me

1:11:05

don't I don't want to do that them. tell me

1:11:07

to forgive them I don't want to forgive them.

1:11:09

You're gonna tell me me to love them. I

1:11:11

don't want to love them. They're going to tell me

1:11:13

to go preach to them. And I know I know God, if you

1:11:15

tell me to go preach to them, I know it's to

1:11:17

happen. They're going to respond. They're going to repent. You're

1:11:19

going to forgive them. And I don't want that. That sounds

1:11:21

like another sounds sorry. Bible story. Jonah. And

1:11:25

what's funny is we is that story,

1:11:27

like it's cute, it's like, cute the

1:11:29

whale, the whale in salvation. represents followed him

1:11:31

up because on his own up

1:11:33

would drown. his Without Jesus, you

1:11:35

will drown. drown the whale represents

1:11:37

the salvation. that that you need.

1:11:39

thing The thing that you're fighting against right

1:11:42

now is the thing that is keeping you

1:11:44

from dying. dying. Because without

1:11:46

it, you you will not make

1:11:48

it. And if you want to

1:11:50

wallow in your frustration, in your

1:11:52

disappointment, in all the things

1:11:54

that that not go well for

1:11:56

you, for you I you, what you

1:11:58

are doing doing drowning your... your and

1:12:00

keeping yourself from the life that

1:12:02

God has for you. So, God has for you.

1:12:04

So Tim, as as we bring this

1:12:06

to a close. could you lead us in this

1:12:09

moment and help us us

1:12:11

in this moment. what we're really and

1:12:13

help us about we about what

1:12:15

we're really dealing with. where you'll

1:12:18

about who we really are. I don't come

1:12:20

from this is the part of tell yourself,

1:12:22

well, I don't come from that kind of family

1:12:24

of I'm from this kind of culture and you

1:12:26

know, we're a macho in our culture. Man,

1:12:28

forget all that. If you're a

1:12:30

new creation, you're a new creation. a

1:12:32

new creation. So the gone, the new is

1:12:34

here. is Humility should be who you

1:12:36

are and how you occurring. Would you

1:12:39

lead us through a moment? that

1:12:41

we could go to a place where

1:12:43

we're normalizing vulnerability between us and

1:12:45

God it it can't it can't start

1:12:47

here if it doesn't first start here.

1:12:49

here. It'll only happen here it's because

1:12:52

it starts here and the more comfortable

1:12:54

I get between me and God I

1:12:56

get me talking to God and God

1:12:58

talking to me and me accepting

1:13:00

what God says me that'll allow me

1:13:02

to be vulnerable that my community. me to be

1:13:04

vulnerable with my I want to do this

1:13:06

I pray. to do this and then we'll pray. My

1:13:10

biggest burden. is

1:13:12

for every single one

1:13:14

of God, sons and

1:13:17

daughters, my brothers

1:13:19

and sisters, to

1:13:22

normalize what we've

1:13:24

been talking about. I

1:13:26

know we don't have the

1:13:28

same story. This is

1:13:31

not like, oh, you will

1:13:33

This is not I will

1:13:35

too. It doesn't matter what

1:13:37

yours is. There's

1:13:39

only two testimonies in the entire... in

1:13:42

the entire planet. you

1:13:44

from something. you from something

1:13:47

or saved you through only

1:13:49

two testimonies only two I

1:13:51

have literally heard people saying heard

1:13:54

people say, um, I don't feel like

1:13:56

I have a I don't feel like

1:13:58

I have a testimony can share. I haven't

1:14:00

been through anything bad

1:14:03

bad like whatever you've been through is

1:14:05

been through is your

1:14:07

experience. experience is

1:14:09

experience is completely

1:14:11

different than Solomon's Solomon's

1:14:14

experience. experience is Dave's experience

1:14:16

is completely different than

1:14:18

Isaiah's experience. We're not

1:14:20

comparing them. him. It's It's

1:14:22

the life that you're

1:14:24

living as you you navigate. to

1:14:28

get through get through has

1:14:31

thrown life has thrown way. So I want

1:14:33

take a moment take a

1:14:35

the biggest process This class

1:14:37

I've ever had biggest want

1:14:39

everybody to close your therapy class

1:14:42

I've ever had to, first thing

1:14:44

that I want you to

1:14:47

to close you up. The

1:14:49

first thing that I now,

1:14:51

you to you are

1:14:53

fully now you are fully

1:14:56

heard. heard, fully

1:14:58

known and fully loved

1:15:00

by your father that

1:15:02

created you. There is

1:15:05

nothing about you that

1:15:07

has ever been hidden

1:15:09

from him has ever

1:15:11

been hidden from Things that

1:15:13

you he loves you your

1:15:15

parents and feel like you could Things

1:15:18

that you could never

1:15:20

tell your parents like you

1:15:22

could feel like you

1:15:24

could never tell your

1:15:26

spouse, that

1:15:28

you have never told

1:15:30

your friends, told your

1:15:32

have never been hidden

1:15:34

from God hidden he

1:15:37

loves you he loves you

1:15:39

anyway. There are secrets in your soul

1:15:41

are secrets in your

1:15:43

soul and your mind like you

1:15:45

could you feel like

1:15:47

you could never

1:15:49

formulate into words coming

1:15:51

out of your

1:15:53

mouth for fear fear of

1:15:55

rejection and misunderstanding and judgment. what

1:15:58

I want you to know. know. that

1:16:01

God already knows

1:16:03

and he loves

1:16:06

you anyway. He

1:16:08

will forgive you

1:16:11

will forgive you of that you

1:16:14

have done, you have

1:16:16

done, participated

1:16:18

in, of, or

1:16:20

thought of,

1:16:22

and cleanse it

1:16:25

as if

1:16:27

it happened. This

1:16:31

is where the bravery

1:16:33

comes in. As clean as

1:16:35

he can make make

1:16:37

you, he has He

1:16:39

has chosen community

1:16:42

to heal you. Chapter

1:16:44

516 confess your sins and or

1:16:46

your sins another and

1:16:48

one to another

1:16:50

another pray for

1:16:52

one another healed. may

1:16:55

be healed. has

1:16:57

of my healing has come

1:17:02

I can't tell the whole world

1:17:04

every secret that I've ever that I've to

1:17:06

keep in my life, my life, but a

1:17:08

couple of people know everything, and

1:17:11

it freed my mind, my

1:17:13

body, and myself. I'm I'm telling

1:17:15

you is that if you make that if

1:17:17

you make the commitment to vulnerability

1:17:20

tonight, God

1:17:22

is going to put

1:17:24

you in a safe room

1:17:27

room, but safe people where you

1:17:29

you can be fully seen,

1:17:31

fully heard, fully known, fully loved,

1:17:34

even if you're not fully

1:17:36

agreed with, with, because four out of

1:17:38

out of 5 ain't

1:17:40

bad. bad. And if you would give if

1:17:42

you would give yourself

1:17:45

permission put down your put down

1:17:47

your defenses, your

1:17:50

insecurities, and

1:17:53

the person that

1:17:55

betrayed your betrayed

1:17:58

your trust.

1:18:00

you in here right now here

1:18:02

you try to do to do

1:18:04

what I'm walking you right now

1:18:06

you're like somebody betrayed my

1:18:08

trust I'll never do it

1:18:10

again I can't trust people

1:18:13

no you can't trust them do

1:18:15

it again. I can't they hurt you

1:18:17

not the whole world can't trust

1:18:19

them. They hurt you, you not world. She

1:18:21

hurt you, you not every man

1:18:23

He hurt you, not every man. And so Father God,

1:18:25

I pray right now now. you

1:18:28

would allow my brothers and sisters, your

1:18:31

sons and daughters. and

1:18:33

sisters, your sons

1:18:36

and daughters, to

1:18:38

get back to

1:18:40

Genesis 2.25, where

1:18:42

they could be

1:18:44

before you and

1:18:46

a few people

1:18:48

that they trust,

1:18:50

naked and not

1:18:52

ashamed. emotionally,

1:18:56

relational, spiritually.

1:18:58

Bear all

1:19:01

and still

1:19:04

be loved.

1:19:06

Share all and

1:19:09

still be loved.

1:19:12

Express all and

1:19:15

still be loved.

1:19:17

Express all and

1:19:20

still be loved.

1:19:24

I come against the spirit of

1:19:27

fear right now. I come against

1:19:29

the spirit of silence that has

1:19:31

literally tried to that has literally

1:19:33

tried to duct tape my brothers

1:19:35

and sisters that have been that have been

1:19:37

so painful. if they ever utter them,

1:19:39

there's a fear that they'll be

1:19:42

rejected. There's a fear that whole be

1:19:44

rejected. There's a fear that the

1:19:46

whole family will blow up. There's

1:19:48

a fear that be be ostracized. I

1:19:50

I pray for boldness through the the

1:19:52

Holy Spirit. and

1:19:54

the peace of God that passes all understanding

1:19:56

that guards their heart in mind through Christ

1:19:58

Jesus. The

1:20:03

enemy is terrified

1:20:06

of vulnerability. Terrified

1:20:09

of authenticity. God,

1:20:11

would you take

1:20:14

away our fear?

1:20:17

Would you Would

1:20:19

you take away our fear? our fear?

1:20:22

Would you take

1:20:24

away our fright?

1:20:28

It's the reason why we can't have a

1:20:30

new Jesus on a cross because we're so

1:20:32

terrified. on a cross because we're

1:20:34

so terrified of a

1:20:37

full frontal Jesus in

1:20:39

the most excruciating posture

1:20:41

of all time and

1:20:44

we still are uncomfortable.

1:20:46

But God tonight, I

1:20:48

thank you that vulnerability

1:20:51

is being normalized for

1:20:53

your glory, Lord God.

1:20:57

May we become a

1:20:59

body that is so

1:21:01

free in the skin

1:21:03

you put us in

1:21:06

that we want to

1:21:08

be seen, want to

1:21:11

be heard, want to

1:21:13

be known, want to

1:21:16

be loved on the

1:21:18

most intimate levels possible.

1:21:22

Now I you to just repeat after me

1:21:24

very, very soon. after me,

1:21:26

very very simple. Jesus. Jesus.

1:21:29

I know you see me.

1:21:31

I know you hear me.

1:21:33

I know you know me.

1:21:36

I know you know me. I

1:21:38

know you love me. And I

1:21:40

know you love me. I know

1:21:43

you love me. I open myself

1:21:45

to you. I open myself to

1:21:48

you. In ways I've never

1:21:50

had. Would

1:21:56

you made me and guide

1:21:59

me? to one

1:22:01

person, to one

1:22:03

person, that I

1:22:05

can look in the

1:22:08

eyes, and share with

1:22:10

them, as I've shared

1:22:13

with you. And as

1:22:15

I've shared with

1:22:17

you, in Jesus'

1:22:20

name, Jesus. Amen.

1:22:25

Last thing that I want

1:22:27

just to offer, we have an

1:22:30

app that we We

1:22:32

have an app that

1:22:34

we created that's just designed

1:22:36

to normalize vulnerability. vulnerability. And I

1:22:38

came tonight to give came

1:22:40

tonight. to give

1:22:43

you all the opportunity It's only

1:22:45

$10 a month. only you

1:22:47

month. want to do it for

1:22:50

If you don't want to do it for yourself, just

1:22:52

do it for somebody else. else. We

1:22:54

have over 8 ,000 people and

1:22:56

counting in a community. community of people

1:22:59

that just want to to

1:23:01

who want to normalize vulnerability. normalize

1:23:03

vulnerability. we have

1:23:05

cards with a QR code on it on

1:23:07

you can have. can have. get 50 %

1:23:09

off of everything that we have

1:23:11

and it's just a resource. a resource. with

1:23:13

myself right now, now, LeCray, Carl Lynch, and

1:23:15

and some new people that

1:23:17

we'll be bringing on in January.

1:23:20

in All right, we're just aggregating

1:23:22

voices so we can normalize

1:23:24

vulnerability. can normalize vulnerability

1:23:26

And so And you

1:23:29

want to help us normalize

1:23:31

vulnerability or if you want

1:23:33

to access that yourself. that

1:23:35

yourself you leave leave, be at the

1:23:37

door. the You can just get a card on

1:23:39

your way out cart on your way out. but

1:23:41

I love you guys so much and I'm so proud of you.

1:23:43

Thank you for being here tonight.