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2:37

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2:39

have Clayton Eckerd with us and we

2:41

are so excited about that because this man has

2:43

been in the headlines like crazy lately,

2:45

having a little back and forth with his,

2:47

I don't know if you want to

2:49

call her ex, but ex Gabby. So

2:52

hey Clayton, welcome to

2:54

the podcast. Thanks for having

2:56

me guys. It was not too long

2:58

that we're talking and I am sooner than

3:00

I thought back. I know. All

3:04

right. So let's get started with

3:06

the drama you've had with Gabby

3:08

lately. So you heard her on

3:10

a podcast making fun of your dancing,

3:12

which you've been very vocal about brings you

3:15

joy. And then she

3:17

also referred to you as

3:19

a toe. Which I didn't

3:21

know what that meant. I thought that meant

3:23

like I had to ask Ashley if that

3:25

was like a new thing that people

3:27

were calling people. So I had gotten that

3:29

comment made about me. all the way back

3:31

when I was The Bachelor. And

3:33

it was kind of a common

3:36

dig at me. And they were

3:38

referencing, I think it was like

3:40

the Spy Kids movie. You remember

3:42

the Spy Kids movie with

3:44

the red little villains and they

3:46

had thumbs for heads? Oh,

3:48

yeah. Oh, I remember Spy Kids. I

3:50

don't remember that. I did not like the franchise. I

3:52

didn't understand its popularity. But

3:54

I remember people used to call

3:56

blonde people toe heads, right? See,

4:00

I've never heard that. And you're

4:02

blondish. And I don't have blonde

4:04

hair, yeah, so I don't know.

4:06

You're a little blondie. Not at

4:08

all. You're light. You're light. See, I think

4:10

of you as light, but I guess when

4:12

you really analyze. Yeah,

4:14

the sliding here is just making everything appear brighter. No,

4:18

I think that's where it came

4:20

from. And it was like somebody I

4:22

went to buy my website name,

4:24

Clayton Eckert, and somebody had that name

4:26

bought and they were trying to

4:28

basically make me buy it off them.

4:30

And they had like the thumb

4:32

images all over the website. So it

4:34

was something that like people brought

4:36

up and I just was like, OK,

4:38

I don't I don't really understand.

4:40

I think they were kind of like

4:43

bulkier villains. And so maybe the

4:45

aspect, too, but whatever.

4:48

Did that hurt you? No,

4:51

I mean, gosh, that was I listen,

4:53

like, the only things that hurt me

4:55

were the things that I actually somewhat

4:57

believed. And that would have

4:59

been like, I did think I

5:01

was boring, you know, as a person

5:03

in general, I played it very safe and

5:05

always, you know, was trying to fit

5:07

in and not stand out. I was fearful

5:09

of judgment from others. So like when

5:12

people said I was boring, all that, you

5:14

know, and called me, you know, like

5:16

bland white bread, anything that referenced like me

5:18

just being a boring blank, like a

5:20

blank slate, I didn't like. You know, that

5:22

stuff bothered me. But, like, he's an

5:24

idiot. He's, you know, ugly. You

5:26

know, I have enough self -confidence that I

5:29

was like, I don't believe any of

5:31

that stuff, so it doesn't bother me. But,

5:33

yeah, the boring stuff hit me. The

5:35

thumb comment, no. It's just stupid. Am

5:37

I wrong, though? I mean, there was

5:39

a period of time post -show, I think

5:41

you might have even still been with Susie,

5:44

where you came out publicly. And

5:46

this is all going to get back to the Gabby situation. But

5:49

you publicly said that your confidence

5:51

was completely shot, that you were

5:53

struggling with your health, mental health. Yeah.

5:57

I believe you went out and spoke on it. So you're

5:59

saying it didn't bother you because your confidence,

6:01

you had enough self -confidence, but then

6:03

at the same time, it did

6:05

bother you at some point because it

6:07

started, you know, it started to

6:10

affect you. Yeah. I would say my

6:12

self -confidence and self -love has tremendously

6:14

increased in the last six to eight

6:16

months. But yes, I was. really

6:18

beaten down in general um after at

6:21

the end of the show and so

6:23

like comments about my looks didn't really

6:25

bother me but it was more just

6:27

the negativity behind it so it's just

6:29

people sending messages to try to attack

6:31

me and it was this pile -on

6:33

effect that That really bothered

6:35

me. And so I started just

6:37

more so feeling like a failure because

6:39

I had so much hatred. It wasn't

6:42

necessarily that like, oh, he's ugly. It

6:44

was more like the amount of comments

6:46

that were negative, you know, said towards

6:48

me started to feel overwhelming. And

6:50

that made me feel like I wasn't

6:52

good enough as a person. So but

6:54

it was like the boring ones that

6:57

really stuck me in the side, you

6:59

know, so that, yeah, I would say

7:01

like. Yes, it absolutely hurt me just

7:03

by the sheer number of comments being

7:05

made. And now, though, I would

7:07

say it's not the case, which is

7:09

good. That is good. I want to say

7:11

that is good. And I'm going to

7:13

like I don't want to open up any

7:15

wounds here. I'm really happy that you're

7:17

in a good place and open up any

7:20

wounds. I haven't already opened up myself.

7:22

Yeah, this is a very interesting situation. You

7:24

have made the headlines recently for some

7:26

some drama. that you didn't start, but you

7:28

chose, and we're going to get into

7:30

that, you chose to enter into it. Recently,

7:33

Nick Vile on his show

7:35

shared, in support of you really,

7:37

saying that, hey, we can't

7:39

let Clayton Eckerd be a punching

7:41

bag forever, was his quote. Do

7:44

you feel like a punching

7:46

bag right now? Coming after these

7:48

Gabby comments that happened on

7:50

this podcast, it seems like what

7:52

Nick was referencing, And

7:54

what you are feeling in a really good

7:56

season of life, which is great because you

7:58

would hate for this to happen if you

8:00

were like still, you know, struggling.

8:03

Yeah. Is that it feels like, you

8:05

know, people seem to think you're getting a

8:07

lot of hate from all different sides.

8:09

Do you feel that way? Oh, yeah. Yeah.

8:12

A thousand percent. And I started to

8:14

wonder why, you know, I keep getting

8:16

hit with these things. And some people,

8:18

I'm a common denominator. Obviously, it's him.

8:20

And I'm like. Yeah, but but

8:23

no, you know, I didn't I'm not

8:25

out here instigating this or looking for trouble.

8:27

I mean, the cheating scandal I had,

8:29

that was some random girl in New York

8:31

I never met. So I didn't instigate

8:33

that when that one came on. to me

8:35

you know you could say like the

8:37

fraternity scandal i mean okay i hooked up

8:39

with a girl but nobody expects it

8:41

to go to that extent you know so

8:43

um it was that was something as

8:45

well that i'm like that's ridiculous that this

8:47

this came on to me and then

8:49

the comments with gabby you know it was

8:51

just like really i mean here i

8:53

am doing my my thing you can hate

8:55

it or love it you don't have

8:57

to i understand i'm not the greatest dancer

8:59

i'm very aware of like how good

9:01

of a dancer i actually am in comparison

9:03

to legit dancers which is also something

9:06

i want to highlight is people like he's

9:08

not a good dancer i'm like compared

9:10

to who you know because i've i have

9:12

absolutely improved from the first day that

9:14

i started dancing but like compared to who

9:16

so you know but it's like i

9:18

think the reason i at least what i

9:20

came to realize was the reason why

9:22

i'm a punching bag is because i wasn't

9:24

punching back You know, I think all

9:26

this time I just basically took it and

9:28

then sat here and didn't do anything

9:30

about it. And so I recently came to

9:32

a place where I said, I'm not

9:34

going to just take this bullshit anymore. You

9:36

know, I'm going to stand up for

9:38

myself, even if it's something trivial. I mean,

9:40

I think, you know, again, what Gabby

9:42

said, I've had so many terrible things said

9:44

to me. Now, like it didn't that

9:46

didn't hurt me. Like her saying, I wish

9:48

you didn't. I didn't have eyes if

9:51

you watch his dance video or that I

9:53

look like a thumb. You know, I

9:55

was like, OK, I've heard way worse, but

9:57

it's the principle. I was like, I

9:59

am no longer going to allow people to

10:01

bash me. You know, I'm going to

10:03

stand up for myself and there's going to

10:05

be some repercussion for. you know,

10:07

for you come attacking me for, you

10:09

know, the cheating or for the paternity scandal,

10:11

this girl's facing criminal prosecution right now.

10:13

So, you know, that's her accountability. And then

10:15

for Gabby, I mean, I think people

10:17

saw that she's, you know, that

10:19

wasn't fair and right for her to say.

10:21

And so, you know, and she chose not

10:24

to apologize. And so she's facing a little

10:26

bit of backlash from some people online. I

10:28

knew I was never going to win that

10:30

battle from a public. standpoint as

10:32

far as court of public opinion, she's

10:34

got three times the followers and the

10:36

audience and she's the hot thing right

10:38

now. So I knew I wasn't, but

10:40

it wasn't about that. It was more

10:43

just like, keep my name out of

10:45

your mouth. Stop talking about me. I'm

10:47

just not going to let this fly

10:49

anymore. Was it frustrating to see her

10:51

try to make it like a woman

10:53

versus man thing and how she was

10:55

saying that men shouldn't have a say

10:57

on what you talked about on The

11:00

Bachelor? That really did bother me because

11:02

it was just like, what does this

11:04

have to do with the matter at

11:06

hand? This is not a matter of

11:08

male versus female. This is strictly about

11:10

you dragging me for no reason. And

11:12

she tried to play into this whole

11:15

narrative that I absolutely despise. I mean,

11:17

it infuriates me, but I chose not

11:19

to. I didn't want to take away

11:21

from like that her response and go

11:23

down this path of like. men versus

11:25

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11:27

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11:29

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11:32

cheap of her to like bring up

11:34

my you know white man and i'm

11:36

like oh look so my ethnicity and

11:38

my you know sexuality or my you

11:40

know gender i'm like why does this

11:43

Like you just stop. You're just trying to

11:46

basically get people to latch on to that

11:48

and be like, yeah, like he's the he

11:50

should. It wasn't relevant at all. It wasn't

11:52

relevant. And I don't like it because it's

11:54

like, what is a white man not supposed

11:56

to be able to express himself? And then

11:58

all the comments, all her little fans saying

12:00

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12:02

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12:04

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12:06

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12:08

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12:18

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Such a wild turn. Then I'm going to

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get back to some questions. Did you just

19:00

get your ears pierced? No, I've had them

19:02

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19:04

but I've had them pierced for a

19:06

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19:08

I was like, that's cool. I just one day

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you know, I've always thought earrings are cool

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doing what I want to do. You know, I

19:36

do want to get back here. Okay. So

19:38

in closing on this topic, because we don't

19:40

need to draw it out. We don't need to

19:42

go into a thousand details. We

19:44

never really said it was said. What was

19:46

said on this podcast that Gabby was

19:48

on is she pretty much spent, you know,

19:50

10 minutes really like going at you,

19:52

calling you or comparing you to a toe,

19:54

which I think there's different ways for

19:57

people to interpret what exactly that meant. Either

19:59

you look like a toe or it's

20:01

a comment. Like I don't exactly even really

20:03

know. But that's what she compared you

20:05

to. She said, I dated a guy that

20:07

was a toe. And then

20:09

she criticized your dancing that you post

20:11

on social media. If people aren't familiar or

20:13

don't follow you, you do share dancing

20:15

videos on social media. We

20:18

have during this interview admitted that

20:20

you don't think you're a professional dancer,

20:22

but this is something that brings

20:24

you joy. And that's why you do

20:26

it. So we have

20:28

this. You did come back out. and speak

20:30

publicly, kind of defending yourself. As you said,

20:32

you're not going to be the punching bag

20:35

anymore. You are going to stand up for

20:37

yourself. You did do that publicly. She did

20:39

respond with the comments that we were just

20:41

talking about, saying that you really don't have

20:43

a place to defend yourself here because of

20:45

some things that you did on this live

20:47

show. So this is where we sit today.

20:49

At least as far as I know, you

20:52

sit in this place where she just responded.

20:54

You haven't said anything back. As

20:56

we close here, Clayton, Where

20:59

do you hope this goes? Like, where

21:01

do you hope this plays out? What do

21:03

you think that what do you hope

21:05

the outcome is? Because obviously you said that

21:07

her fans are still, you know, upset

21:09

with you. I'm sure your fans and many

21:11

are upset with her. This

21:13

could be a back and forth that could last

21:15

a long time and keep you both in the

21:17

public life for a long time and become a

21:19

big benefit to you because you are back in

21:22

the headlines or you just squash it and you

21:24

say we're done with it. So

21:26

where do you hope this goes? What

21:28

is your next move? Yeah, well, I mean,

21:30

she put out a video response and

21:32

then I put out a video response in

21:34

response to that. That's on my

21:36

Instagram. And that was. um you know

21:38

that i felt again like oh no you're

21:40

not just going to be able to

21:42

get the last word and say what you

21:44

want and then bully me into not

21:46

responding um you know i'm going to take

21:48

one last stand and respond to that

21:51

if i don't know if she's responded since

21:53

um she's blocked me on all of

21:55

her social media so um i i don't

21:57

know if she sent out a response

21:59

i haven't been tagged anything wait timeout timeout

22:01

pause there is this block new does

22:03

this happen like post this situation

22:05

or has this been based off this

22:07

whole thing okay oh my god okay okay

22:10

but then you you you responded twice

22:12

now you're saying that you you said something

22:14

she said something you said something and

22:16

then you said oh okay you're not going

22:18

to respond to my response well she

22:20

just i i my she originally said something

22:22

on a podcast i then put out

22:24

my first video saying you know like i'm

22:26

not cool with it she then responded

22:28

and said oh that's rich you know with

22:31

talking about being a white male i

22:33

then responded to that video on my instagram

22:35

so i have that video now if

22:37

she's put out anything since i haven't seen

22:39

it because okay no um but as

22:41

far as like let's look i mean even

22:43

having this conversation here like i don't

22:45

want to i didn't want to drag it

22:47

out um i Because it doesn't

22:50

benefit me. It was just strictly like,

22:52

don't talk about me. And that's it. That's

22:54

that like moving forward. You know,

22:56

again, because she could have someone if someone

22:58

I saw this whole excuse of like, well,

23:00

people are asking her about it. I was

23:02

like, yeah, right. But people ask me about

23:04

The Bachelor and you don't in my experience,

23:06

you don't see me talking about individuals. Well,

23:08

you know, we have three years ago, this

23:10

like blah, blah, blah. It's like, no, you

23:12

can you're clearly choosing to target me and

23:14

make comments. And it's been, you know, multiple

23:16

times. And that's what originally got me to

23:18

speak up. It's like I got sent a

23:20

few podcasts and I was like, all right.

23:22

One too many podcasts. You're going on this

23:24

tangent recently and calling me out. So I

23:26

don't have any intention if she were to

23:28

respond back and put up another video. It's

23:30

like there's it's really kind of beating a

23:33

dead horse at this point. She understands I'm

23:35

not cool with it. So just it's like,

23:37

don't keep talking about me. And if she

23:39

does, I don't know. I mean, as of

23:41

right now, she's not saying anything about it.

23:43

So I'm like, let's just drop it. But

23:45

if she wants to go on a rant

23:47

and go off on social media and podcasts

23:49

and keep attacking me, you know, I'll react

23:51

accordingly. I'd rather not, though. I'd rather just

23:53

let it be. I don't seek this kind

23:55

of stuff. This was one too many times.

23:57

I'm like, you have spoken up poorly about

23:59

me in the last few months too many

24:01

times, and that's why I'm going to say

24:03

something. Before we wrap, I do want to

24:05

ask about one thing that you said in

24:07

your response video. You said that you had

24:09

reached out to her and apologized for what

24:11

went down during your season of The Bachelor.

24:13

Did she ever respond to that? Because based

24:15

on the screenshots, it was iffy. I never

24:17

responded to my original message apologizing. And

24:20

then I ended up having a

24:22

conversation with Rachel one day at an

24:24

event. And we had talked about,

24:26

you know, the situation with Gabby. And

24:29

I said, you know, I'm not

24:31

really certain where things are at. And

24:33

she's like, oh, you should reach out to

24:35

her. So I reached out about this opportunity thing

24:37

that I had in my mind. And she

24:39

was very brief. And that was that. So it's

24:41

like she never really. yeah i

24:44

mean she didn't want anything to do with

24:46

me so i it was loud and clear

24:48

and so that was that and i think

24:50

that was the last time i sent her

24:52

a message was like 2023 and just was

24:54

like okay forget it like she doesn't want

24:56

to make amends she's you know hurt and

24:58

that's fine we don't have to forgive me

25:00

but i guess i'll just stop trying to

25:02

you know basically um heal this, this, this

25:04

connection. That's just not, it's not reciprocal. What

25:06

a wild world you've been in since your

25:09

time of the being the bachelor Clayton. My

25:11

final question, and we'll end it with

25:13

this. I think we asked you it a

25:15

few weeks ago when you're on, are

25:18

you glad that you were the bachelor with

25:20

you would take it all back? Do

25:22

you wish this would have never been the

25:24

path you would have gone down? No,

25:26

I am. I'm very happy because the guy

25:28

on The Bachelor that everyone watched wasn't

25:30

the version of me that I wanted to

25:33

be. It was just the safest version

25:35

of me that I chose to navigate through

25:37

life. All this adversity put me in

25:39

a place now where I do not care

25:41

about people's. Let me say

25:43

this. I hardly care about most people's opinions.

25:45

I'm sure somebody can say something that I

25:47

can get under my skin, but I've gotten

25:49

to a place now where I mean, some

25:52

people can can get under my skin. I'm

25:54

not going to say it all and use

25:56

absolutes, but I hardly ever care about what. strangers

25:58

think about me anymore. And because I

26:01

don't care about fear of judgment, I'm able

26:03

to live a fully authentic life or

26:05

the closest thing to it. So I wouldn't

26:07

have gotten there had I, you know,

26:09

not had all of this conflict. So adversity.

26:11

So yeah, I'm actually really grateful. Sounds

26:14

like you've been listening to some Tony Robbins

26:16

podcast. I've been, I've listened to a lot of

26:18

stuff. I've had so

26:21

many self -help books and so many

26:23

podcasts. Like I went deep into the

26:25

whole healing experience and I was

26:27

able to switch my perspective, you know,

26:29

which it's like, it works for

26:31

me, you know? So I've convinced myself

26:33

that everything's great. So it is.

26:35

Hey, that's, thanks for giving us the

26:37

updates. This makes a lot more

26:39

sense. There's a lot in this world

26:42

of back and forth. public

26:44

drama that I don't understand. So thanks

26:46

for coming on, sharing it with us. This

26:48

has been the Almost Famous Podcast with

26:50

Clayton Eckerd. Until next time, I've been Ben.

26:53

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