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2:56

time for headlines today. We have

2:58

some headlines to talk about. Now,

3:00

usually when we break down headlines,

3:02

we'll have a whole list, like

3:04

10 headlines, some of them major,

3:06

some of them, just great updates.

3:09

This episode specifically, we're gonna concentrate

3:11

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3:13

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3:15

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3:17

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3:19

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3:21

any details that might have been

3:23

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3:25

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3:28

your social media. The first headline

3:30

is this. It's actually what we're

3:32

gonna call it a topic. It's

3:34

the Gabby versus Clayton situation going

3:36

on right now. Ashley, this is

3:38

about a week going on, catches

3:40

up on what's happened for anybody

3:42

that has no idea what we're

3:44

talking about. All right, so Gabby

3:47

was on the Las Culturistas podcast

3:49

and She's just, you know, chatting

3:51

about her life. And they brought

3:53

up Clayton. And she said that

3:55

Clayton's dance posts on Instagram and

3:57

TikTok will make you run. It'll

3:59

make you wish you didn't have

4:01

eyes. And then I could see

4:03

there's some humor in that. But

4:06

then she says he looked like

4:08

a toe. And then it made,

4:10

and then she made a reference

4:12

to like the bachelor. universe where

4:14

like you're filming and you're like

4:16

wrapped up in a situation and

4:18

then like all of a sudden

4:20

you're basically like attracted to somebody

4:22

who like looks like a tow

4:25

or you're like admitting feelings for

4:27

somebody that you just don't think

4:29

is that much to look at.

4:31

Let me pause you here because

4:33

this is the first big statement

4:35

made by Gabby. I don't quite

4:37

know if I know what she's

4:39

talking about. So is she like

4:41

saying he looks like a tow

4:44

or is that some like new

4:46

age? new verbiage that like references

4:48

something else or is he she

4:50

like literally comparing him to a

4:52

toe? I think it might be

4:54

kind of both but I know

4:56

that when people say you look

4:58

like a toe like when people

5:00

say that it usually just means

5:03

like you're just not cute. Okay.

5:05

All right so there you go

5:07

and then I like I totally

5:09

understand why this would be offensive

5:11

to Clayton and like I don't

5:13

know that I would personally respond

5:15

because like sometimes I feel like

5:17

there's like more power in not

5:19

showing that I got to you

5:22

but Clayton got on his own

5:24

social media and he calls her

5:26

out for being a bully because

5:28

she's talking shit about his looks

5:30

and his passions like he has

5:32

talked about how dancing has made

5:34

him just like a happier person

5:36

and it's been an outlet for

5:38

him when he was in a

5:41

deep dark depression after the show.

5:43

And lots of bachelor nation came

5:45

to his support. Joan was very

5:47

vocal in the comment section, Kelly

5:49

Flanagan, and Dotin also. He said,

5:51

that's how you handle it, my

5:53

guy, mad respect. You keep doing.

5:55

Clayton and this is not where

5:57

the drama ends but Ben do

6:00

you have anything to comment on

6:02

here because like right now at

6:04

this point I am definitely team

6:06

Clayton like you know he stood

6:08

up for himself and she was

6:10

being I don't know if I

6:12

like like bully like bully is

6:14

like what I think about when

6:16

you're like like harassing someone on

6:19

the playground but like here I

6:21

just think she's being mean you

6:23

mean you know it's just She's

6:25

just saying un nice things that

6:27

she could just keep to herself.

6:29

You know, if you want to

6:31

make fun of your ex, just

6:33

say it to your friends. You

6:35

don't have to say it on

6:38

the podcast. Yeah, I mean, I

6:40

think bullying is any time anybody

6:42

of influence or power uses that

6:44

influence and power over somebody else,

6:46

right? That can be like physical

6:48

strength, platform, whatever. Gabby obviously has

6:50

a bigger platform than Clayton. Her

6:52

following, especially coming off of traders

6:54

is so much greater. What is

6:57

she actually doing here by even

6:59

speaking about Clayton because right now?

7:01

She's off doing this totally different

7:03

thing. I think what I yeah

7:05

at this moment in the conversation

7:07

based on her podcast I do

7:09

think it is It is just

7:11

simply mean and I think I

7:13

would imagine Gabby could admit that

7:16

like she wasn't saying this to

7:18

uplift Clayton or be nice like

7:20

this was a mean thing to

7:22

say his dancing though I would

7:24

say hey if you're critical of

7:26

it I don't know if that's

7:28

necessarily a problem like you don't

7:30

have to watch his videos I

7:32

don't think it's a turn on

7:35

like me watching him him on

7:37

Instagram dance I'd be like mmm

7:39

that's not that's not something that

7:41

I want to see for my

7:43

husband but you know it's okay

7:45

but if it's if he's doing

7:47

it strictly because it makes him

7:49

happy Great, but he also has

7:51

to realize I think at this

7:54

moment in time. I'm just saying

7:56

what up from what I know

7:58

He also has to realize that

8:00

people are going to be critical

8:02

of his dancing if he's going

8:04

to post it on social media.

8:06

Like we always say, if you

8:08

share it with the public, you're

8:10

opening the public up for opinion.

8:13

Not everybody has to be like,

8:15

oh, Clayton, look how great you

8:17

are at doing these moves. They

8:19

can be like, hey man, like

8:21

this is weird for me to

8:23

watch. That's okay. If it was

8:25

really just for his mental health,

8:27

he would keep it private, you

8:29

know, private. But maybe he is

8:32

getting some satisfaction. totally agree with

8:34

you. Her saying her his dancing

8:36

post will make you run, you'll

8:38

wish you didn't have eyes. That's

8:40

her being funny. I think it

8:42

crosses the line into being mean

8:44

when she says like this show

8:46

is gonna make you like fall

8:48

for somebody who looks like a

8:51

towel. Yes, 100% agree. Okay, so

8:53

that's where we start this thing

8:55

out at. And also moving on

8:57

then to Clayton's response to her

8:59

saying these things about looking like

9:01

a tow. and his dancing, particularly,

9:03

and Ashley, take it away with

9:05

his response. Okay, well, his response

9:07

was him being like, you're bullying

9:10

me over looks and passions. And

9:12

that's where he got all like

9:14

the responses from Bachelor Nation saying,

9:16

you know, way to defend yourself.

9:18

She's being a little bitchy. Which

9:20

is totally good too. I will

9:22

say that's totally fine. I mean,

9:24

well, you know, she was being

9:26

mean, but she was also I

9:29

could see her being a little

9:31

funny in there too I can

9:33

if she was going to defend

9:35

herself by saying I was being

9:37

a little funny a little bit.

9:39

Okay, so then Gabby fires back

9:41

on Tiktok and this is where

9:43

she loses me. I mean, she

9:45

are I still was more team

9:48

Clayton, but yes, she definitely loses

9:50

me here when she talks about

9:52

how she humiliates, she goes, that's

9:54

rich of you to say that

9:56

I'm bullying because you came out

9:58

and humiliated me and told everybody

10:00

on national TV that we had

10:02

sex. And I'm like, okay, but

10:04

this is like not the same

10:07

situation. Because he was, you guys

10:09

were all on a reality show

10:11

and you both willingly all went

10:13

into fantasy suites and you know

10:15

that a lot of the times

10:17

what happens in fantasy suites doesn't

10:19

stay in fantasy suites and like

10:21

you're on a TV show. Like,

10:24

yeah, like lots of parts of

10:26

that relationship that you have on

10:28

a TV show, it's gonna be

10:30

exploited. And this is like years

10:32

ago. So then he can help

10:34

himself and he gets on Instagram

10:36

and he's like, this is unnecessary

10:38

for you to keep bringing up.

10:40

We have talked about the fact

10:43

that I'm sorry that I brought

10:45

our fantasy suite intimacy up on

10:47

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10:49

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10:51

those are things that like as

10:53

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10:55

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10:57

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10:59

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11:02

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11:04

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11:06

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11:08

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11:10

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11:12

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The back and forth has happened.

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18:22

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18:28

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18:30

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18:34

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18:36

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18:38

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18:40

that honestly the response by Gabby

18:42

I do agree is where I

18:44

got lost in the whole thing

18:46

this was a it felt like

18:48

pulling back something way back in

18:51

the future that obviously hurt her

18:53

which again, they've talked about and

18:55

they've seemed to be okay with

18:57

and that's where things get weirdest

18:59

for me is if you've explained

19:01

yourself both parties has talked about

19:03

it, some conclusion has been granted,

19:05

you kind of hope forgiveness is

19:07

given and then this isn't brought

19:09

up years later and it's also

19:11

weird. And I just think this

19:13

is like always odd. The the

19:15

person that started this. dialogue, right?

19:17

Gabby came on this podcast, Clayton

19:19

wasn't really talking about Gabby at

19:22

the time, is also the one

19:24

then like doubling down. She's, that's

19:26

the best way to say, she

19:28

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19:30

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19:32

this, I meant what I said,

19:34

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19:36

sex with you in the fantasy

19:38

suite. And that is a woman's

19:40

job to share publicly, which. Oh,

19:42

yeah, that's right. That she said

19:44

that. I was like, wait a

19:46

second. It goes both ways. It

19:48

just, don't make this a sex

19:50

sex thing. Takes two to tango

19:53

there. Yeah, I don't, yeah, exactly.

19:55

That feels like a stretch a

19:57

little bit. But that's kind of

19:59

where we're at now. Okay. So

20:01

my question for you, Ashley. Is

20:03

there any more follow-up from either

20:05

than on either side about this

20:07

or is just just just done

20:09

now? Or is just done now?

20:11

Nowhere's line. Technically, it would be

20:13

Gabby's time to respond as Hugh

20:15

did respond to her tic-toc. I

20:17

don't think Gabby is going to

20:19

take it any further. So I

20:21

think that if anything, people are

20:24

trying to use this now as

20:26

a method to get Clayton on

20:28

dancing with the stars. Okay. I

20:30

mean, cool. I'm seeing in the

20:32

comments on tic-toc. I mean all

20:34

four, if he loves dancing and

20:36

dancing with the Stars is open

20:38

to having him, I'd say go

20:40

for it, man. So I say

20:42

that if this goes anywhere, it

20:44

takes him to dancing with the

20:46

Stars. That's good for him, then

20:48

he can't be met. He's going

20:50

to be ecstatic. Yeah, I know,

20:52

exactly. What a win for Clayton.

20:55

He'll have to say thank you

20:57

Gabby for bringing me up in

20:59

public, during your traitor's high. Oh

21:01

goodness gracious, gracious. Okay, so the

21:03

next topic is this one, Ashley.

21:05

And there's an element here as

21:07

we talked about kind of last

21:09

week that controversy seems to bring

21:11

conversation and controversy seems to keep

21:13

some type of relevance. It doesn't

21:15

really feel like the healthiest path.

21:17

It doesn't really feel like how

21:19

most want to be, you know,

21:21

what most want to be known

21:23

for. But the Caitlin and Jason

21:26

thing has lasted so much longer

21:28

than Caitlin and Shawn and I

21:30

thought that thing lasted forever. There

21:32

is something about Caitlin Bristow's relationships

21:34

that once they go public and

21:36

once they end I told just

21:38

this the other day it kind

21:40

of reminds me that Taylor Swift

21:42

effect Where it's like they're always

21:44

kind of there like they're always

21:46

kind of like the ghost of

21:48

the past Good analogy that's like

21:50

you can like they never fully

21:52

remove themselves from the situation and

21:54

it feels like that way with

21:56

Caitlin It does. And Jason and

21:59

Caitlin's conversation or their relationship was

22:01

brought back up again here recently

22:03

on a podcast that Caitlin did.

22:05

It was her podcast, but she

22:07

had a guest host kind of

22:09

interviewing her. about a situation that

22:11

just happened. Now, Ashley, let's be

22:13

clear. We've covered Caitlin and Jason

22:15

for a long time now. There

22:17

has been a lot of kind

22:19

of subliminal and quiet messaging within

22:21

both of their social medias and

22:23

both of their public appearances about

22:25

each other. There isn't, there's a

22:27

lot of love lost in this

22:30

relationship. There is a lot of

22:32

moments of tension and the two

22:34

of them being upset with each

22:36

other and not feeling like this

22:38

relationship was something that kind of

22:40

was healthy. Well, recently, Caitlin spoke

22:42

out on this podcast about kind

22:44

of what it feels like is

22:46

her tipping point. The moment that

22:48

she really is fired up over.

22:50

Ashley, what is it? And then

22:52

we'll talk about if it's a

22:54

big deal or not. Oh, to

22:56

me, it's a big deal. All

22:58

right, so on the first day

23:01

that they ever met. If they

23:03

ever met. Caitlin and Jason talked

23:05

about children names, talked about what

23:07

she has planned to name her

23:09

child for a long time, and

23:11

she told him it was Teddy,

23:13

and I'm assuming this is a

23:15

conversation that was brought up multiple

23:17

times leading up to their engagement,

23:19

as at some point they were

23:21

planning on having children together. But

23:23

she has the receipts that on

23:25

day one, she told him, Theodore,

23:27

but it would never be named

23:29

Theodore. It would be named Teddy.

23:32

It would always go by Teddy.

23:34

And then he gets this dog.

23:36

Ask Instagram what he should name

23:38

the dog. There were a couple

23:40

suggestions as to Teddy, I think.

23:42

And then he announces a couple

23:44

days later that he ends up

23:46

naming the dog Teddy. This is,

23:48

to me, a huge deal, total

23:50

no-no. This would cross. This would

23:52

get me over the edge in

23:54

which I would just have to

23:56

have event sash publicly about this

23:58

because it was a public real...

24:00

and I personally could not let

24:03

him get away with this. And

24:05

you and I are totally different

24:07

when it comes to this stuff.

24:09

That's all. You and I are

24:11

totally different. You're obviously a much

24:13

stronger willed person. I could just

24:15

tell by your facial expression that

24:17

you're like, no, this is something

24:19

that you can just keep to

24:21

yourself and be the bigger person.

24:23

And I'm like, absolutely no. That

24:25

is not at all what I

24:27

think. Really? No, I don't, this,

24:29

you were so far off basis.

24:31

With absolutely no idea where you're

24:34

gonna go. All I know is

24:36

that you normally think that Caitlin

24:38

and I should be more private.

24:40

Yeah, I still, I still hold

24:42

on to that. I don't, I

24:44

don't, I don't back down on

24:46

the fact that I think there's

24:48

like room for privacy here. Yeah,

24:50

maybe the question of, do I

24:52

think this is a big deal,

24:54

yes. It is a public relationship.

24:56

I do feel like at this

24:58

point Caitlin was at her breaking

25:00

point and I don't know that

25:02

my only advice to Caitlin as

25:05

a friend or in general would

25:07

be I don't know if you

25:09

ever speak out publicly when you

25:11

feel like you're at your breaking

25:13

point because I think what it

25:15

ends up doing is it it

25:17

communicates a lot of like drama

25:19

and a lot of anger that

25:21

maybe you're just feeling in the

25:23

moment like I don't know how

25:25

this played out but I imagine

25:27

it playing out like this. Caitlin

25:29

sees that Jason names the dog

25:31

Teddy, she calls up her friend,

25:33

she's like, you gotta get over

25:36

here and interview me because I

25:38

am mad. And I'm not gonna

25:40

talk about myself. And so to

25:42

answer your question, I do though

25:44

feel like it's a big deal.

25:46

I do feel like it is,

25:48

it was a, it showed a

25:50

lack of respect. It showed a

25:52

lack of care. For somebody that

25:54

you're obviously not like fans of

25:56

right now. But you at one

25:58

point in your life had a

26:00

lot of love for. And if

26:02

this was an obvious conversation that

26:04

two of them had about this

26:07

baby name, and how Caitlin has

26:09

always dreamed of naming her. child

26:11

this name and then you name

26:13

your dog that name. And I

26:15

know that Instagram was asked and

26:17

I know people recommended Teddy. There

26:19

are ways to set that up

26:21

for people to send in messages

26:23

like you should name it Teddy.

26:25

I don't, I'm not like playing,

26:27

I'm not agreeing with that and

26:29

saying, oh, it's just a random

26:31

like voted on name. I think

26:33

this was definitely shots fired. Do

26:35

I think it need to be

26:38

handled from Caitlin in the way

26:40

that it did? I don't know

26:42

it's up to her But I

26:44

definitely can see where she would

26:46

be upset and sad my word

26:48

for this would be sad this

26:50

this if I was Caitlin I'd

26:52

just be sad that this name

26:54

has seemed to be taken away

26:56

from me like that's so sad

26:58

if somebody had named their dog

27:00

Dawson after I had it planned

27:02

for 15 years. Yeah, I would

27:04

bust I would be so angry

27:06

and to me it would feel

27:09

like to me okay I'm gonna

27:11

be freaking honest right now I

27:13

maybe call me like you know

27:15

maybe people are just gonna see

27:17

like my friendship with Caitlin like

27:19

obvious here but guess what I

27:21

don't care this to me felt

27:23

like an intentional move to see

27:25

like let's see if I could

27:27

annoy her so bad that And

27:29

then she has to make this

27:31

decision whether or not to explode

27:33

at me publicly or keep it

27:35

in. And either way, I'm winning

27:37

because I'm dominating space in her

27:40

mind. And if she does explode

27:42

publicly, then people are gonna, there's

27:44

gonna be 50% of the people

27:46

on my side. Yeah. That'd be

27:48

really, that'd be a really, I

27:50

mean, I think I know how

27:52

like, how friends work and I

27:54

think that you've been a great

27:56

friend. So I like and a

27:58

bit and a protector of your

28:00

friendship which is awesome. I can't

28:02

say that I think that's how

28:04

this went down other than I

28:06

will say if it is what

28:08

went down and Jason does see

28:11

the headlines and he already listens

28:13

to the pocket. It's like that

28:15

is a place that you need

28:17

to check yourself. Like you need

28:19

to figure out where your intentions

28:21

lie and what you're trying to

28:23

actually do and how you're trying

28:25

to create space on the airwaves

28:27

and then somebody else's head. Because

28:29

it is sad, no matter what,

28:31

if this was intentional, if it

28:33

was a forgotten about thing by

28:35

Jason and he forgot they had

28:37

this conversation, or what? It is

28:39

really sad that Caitlin told him

28:41

this. And now. this has been

28:44

taken from her. Outside of everything

28:46

else, I know that people had

28:48

a negative reaction to her interview.

28:50

She had to come out publicly,

28:52

we're gonna talk about her public

28:54

apology in just a second. I

28:56

get that they did, and I

28:58

know that they feel like she's

29:00

making a small situation, a big

29:02

one, and really creating this drama.

29:04

But we have to understand that

29:06

it is sad. No matter what,

29:08

if it was intentional or not.

29:10

This name is no longer going

29:12

to be able to be used

29:15

by her and like that does

29:17

that just hurts a little bit

29:19

no matter who you are. Sister

29:21

wives returns as long as that

29:23

property remains a source of contention

29:25

I can't fully move on Janelle

29:27

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29:29

to get some lawyers involved I'm

29:31

not trying to rip you off

29:33

Barry. There's a few things that

29:35

I will fight for and this

29:37

is one of them. There's so

29:39

many people that are like, she

29:41

was a liar, she was manipulating.

29:43

I always had Mary's back. Even

29:46

when people were plotting against her,

29:48

ignoring her. I had this bond

29:50

with her and I'm now questioning

29:52

why tell me that you want

29:54

to have a relationship with me

29:56

and then ghost me. And the

29:58

telo begins. Do you feel Cody

30:00

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30:02

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30:04

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30:06

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30:08

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30:10

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30:12

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36:03

podcasting. I knew deep down this was

36:05

a me problem and I also

36:07

knew it would start a crossover that

36:09

would be hard in a relationship.

36:12

What I thought would happen did. I

36:14

clearly didn't leave when he did

36:16

it anyways. I did more therapy

36:18

around it and it was just a

36:20

boundary I made clear that was crossed

36:23

and I tried to work through it

36:25

but there was so much more than

36:27

just that. Again, I see how it

36:29

can seem unfair. Yes, Teddy is

36:31

a common dog name. Yes, he

36:33

can name his dog whatever he

36:35

wants. And it's F-up that he

36:37

knew it was my dream baby

36:39

name. We talked about it for

36:41

years. Talked about it for years.

36:44

Yes, I have major things to

36:46

work on in relationships and I've

36:48

already done so much work. I've

36:50

seen tremendous growth in

36:52

myself. I'm so proud of who I

36:55

am today. My timeline of processing

36:57

and being who I am doesn't

36:59

have to look like anyone

37:01

else's standard for a timeline.

37:04

I see all the love and I want

37:06

to give it all back. I see all

37:08

the hate and I want to give them

37:10

love too. No one like that

37:12

will ever understand and that's

37:14

okay. I don't understand them

37:16

either. Navigating a world where

37:19

sharing your story is risky,

37:21

freeing, and extremely hard.

37:23

But I encourage everyone to

37:25

think about it, and yes, do

37:28

not wish ill on anyone. I'm

37:30

choosing now to let them, and I'm glad

37:32

I gave some context. I

37:34

don't like that I'm still talking

37:36

about it, but it felt good

37:38

to stand up for myself. I,

37:40

of course, have moved on, and

37:42

it doesn't mean I can't speak

37:44

my truth. Do I have anxiety

37:46

around a calculated response?

37:49

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37:51

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37:53

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37:56

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37:58

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38:02

mois. Ashley, in closing here, this

38:04

was her apology, kind of reinstating

38:07

some things that she felt strongly

38:09

about, but also admitting some things

38:11

that maybe she overreacted to. What's

38:14

your take? Okay, well, I want

38:16

to clarify the first paragraph of

38:18

her apology. She says she wants

38:20

to take accountability for holding somebody

38:23

back from podcasting. So basically she

38:25

said. really early on, Jason, I

38:27

don't want you doing podcast because

38:29

the podcasting is my thing and

38:32

she didn't want like them to

38:34

be competing in podcasting and again

38:36

it was just like kind of

38:39

like a let's we're we're intermingling

38:41

our romantic relationship with a business

38:43

relationship too much. So she's apologizing

38:45

for that and I, you know,

38:48

good. I would see how people

38:50

would have an issue with that.

38:53

the Teddy thing, I'm not gonna,

38:55

I still stand by what I

38:57

said earlier. And then the rest

38:59

of her apology, I think like,

39:01

if her audience really had a

39:03

problem with her talking about Jason

39:06

in this way, I think they

39:08

also need to think about what

39:10

she's told us on this podcast

39:12

before. And that is that like,

39:14

our is public and sometimes when

39:16

the stuff that relates back to

39:18

us gets like brought up again.

39:20

in the mainstream, like, you know,

39:22

Jason's dog name, or like when

39:24

we see it on social media,

39:26

like we have to kind of

39:28

comment about it because it'd be

39:30

weird if we have this platform

39:32

in which we like have, our

39:35

job is to speak and to

39:37

speak about, you know, bachelor related

39:39

things a lot of the times,

39:41

and then we just don't speak

39:43

about that. So you and I

39:45

end up talking about exes on

39:47

this podcast in a way that

39:49

normal people wouldn't talk about their

39:51

exes, still. Like, it makes sense

39:53

for us to talk about people

39:55

who we dated because we dated

39:57

on TV in front of our

39:59

audience, which is why she brings

40:02

him up so much. She wouldn't

40:04

bring them up if it was

40:06

just like this guy that she

40:08

dated in her early 20s. I

40:10

agree. No, I don't really have

40:12

a problem with people talking about

40:14

past relationships and clarifying, especially when

40:16

it feels like you need to

40:18

do it to protect yourself. And

40:20

that goes both sides. I understand

40:22

that. I think there's a respect

40:24

level there. I think there is

40:26

a a level of trust still,

40:29

you know, you shared life with

40:31

me, you know a lot about

40:33

me. So please don't err things

40:35

that could hurt me. And I

40:37

think in this situation, particularly, Caitlin

40:39

said a lot of things, podcasts,

40:41

jobs, all those things. And I

40:43

think the big key moment is

40:45

she felt disrespected by the dog

40:47

name because it felt like it

40:49

was an intentional move. I think

40:51

she thinks it was an intentional

40:53

move. Yeah. I can't. confidently say

40:55

it because I don't know his

40:58

intentions behind it. I know friends

41:00

will say, hey, this was definitely

41:02

an intentional move because they're protecting,

41:04

you know, Caitlin here. But either

41:06

way, I get how she's upset.

41:08

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41:10

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