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Tuesday afternoon in February

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gonna pass out if I

3:09

keep doing that. I'll pass

3:12

out. I'll literally, I

3:14

will deprive my little

3:16

brain of too much oxygen

3:19

and I'll pass out. I'll

3:21

just be on the floor, like a

3:24

lump of goo. Just laying there

3:26

on the floor. Well, let's see

3:28

what we got here. Calls, no?

3:30

No. I don't, it's hard for

3:32

me to tell from here. I

3:34

believe we might need another minute

3:37

just to figure that out.

3:39

Sure, sure, sure. Well, everybody,

3:41

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We do the show three hours

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4:00

I'm not doing it at

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4:17

You watch the show whenever

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Hernandez is going to be

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4:30

Hernandez is so funny. Can't

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wait. It's going to be

4:34

great. And then I do

4:36

believe we're going to be

4:39

talking to our, hopefully our

4:41

new friend, Haley Joel Osman,

4:43

is going to check in

4:45

and tell us all about

4:47

this movie, not an artist,

4:49

that is coming out, that,

4:51

uh, Haley Joel is in.

4:53

And in the meantime, welcome

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if you don't mind. Be

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fun. You do what you

6:17

want. While we sort the

6:19

phone stuff out, I'm going

6:21

to throw it to the

6:23

big screen because I'm told.

6:26

Now I'm just going to lay

6:28

this out. I'm tired of mincing

6:30

words with this Usually the show

6:32

we go. It's one One loser

6:34

after another's on the show the

6:37

idea again a list guest on

6:39

this show. It's like the Hens

6:41

teeth. I don't even know what

6:43

that means Hens teeth there's somebody

6:45

talking on the line. I think

6:47

a caller went through somehow. Okay.

6:49

Well, let's not have that okay

6:52

Is there any way you can

6:54

just shut that down on your

6:56

end and maybe they can call

6:58

back? Yep. Sorry about that. I

7:00

think I hung up on them.

7:02

Okay. As I was saying, the

7:05

guest situation, it's bleak at best.

7:07

But once in a while, once

7:09

in a long while, that's right.

7:11

Jesus Christ looks down upon us

7:13

and says, bless thee. I don't

7:15

know what Jesus Christ would say.

7:18

But we get a great guest

7:20

every once in a while and

7:22

tonight we have one of those

7:24

great guests is so exciting welcoming

7:26

to the best show today the

7:28

amazing Halley Joel Osman, how are

7:31

you doing? Hey, how's it going

7:33

man? Good to see you. Yeah,

7:35

look at those kungas in the

7:37

background. I am in the konga

7:39

room, yes. Okay, what are you

7:41

going to be playing on the

7:44

cocoa mo with the beach boys

7:46

instead of John Stamos? I was

7:48

just in a little bit of

7:50

an argument with my friend the

7:52

other night about whether that was

7:54

their only number one single or

7:57

their last one. They only had

7:59

four. Let me see if I

8:01

can do it. Hold on, let

8:03

me see I can do it.

8:05

Good vibrations was number one. Was

8:07

a number one single. Cocoa was

8:10

a number one single. I don't

8:12

know which would the fourth one

8:14

would have been. I don't know.

8:16

Was it I get around? I

8:18

get around. Yes, that makes perfect

8:20

sense. But it's crazy because Cocoamo

8:22

is like, like, like, 1988, I

8:25

think so way later than the.

8:27

Yeah, they had gone through a

8:29

fair amount by that point. There

8:31

is singing about, and Koko has

8:33

like seven songwriters on it too.

8:35

If you look at the song

8:38

credits for Kokamo, it is nuts.

8:40

It is. Now I have, now

8:42

I gotta look up the Kokamo

8:44

song. Okay, hold on. This is

8:46

for you and I need to

8:48

both know this. Songwriters. Let's see.

8:51

What do we have here? John

8:53

Phillips, Papa John, the maniac, who

8:55

is probably in hell right now.

8:57

Scott McKenzie, who did, uh, when

8:59

you're going to San Francisco, he

9:01

wrote that, and then Mike Love

9:04

and Terry Melcher, Doris Day's son,

9:06

who Charles Manson was after. It's

9:08

a real, real, great lineup there

9:10

with the songwriters of Kokimo. We

9:12

have a guy who... is in

9:14

hell right now, the guy who

9:17

did when you're going to San

9:19

Francisco, Mike Love, the nicest beach

9:21

boy, and one of someone that

9:23

Charles Manson couldn't wait to get

9:25

his mitzel on. Mike Love with

9:27

the least aggressive Hall of Fame

9:30

induction speech of all time. Oh

9:32

my, that is one of the

9:34

all-timers when he's just like... I'd

9:36

like to see MacJagger get up

9:38

here and do it's just like

9:40

like all right calm down. Bob

9:42

Dylan you're a coward. I was

9:45

like why? sore winner. Like, you're

9:47

winning. Like, that is so weird

9:49

sometimes when people are in their

9:51

moment of grace and they choose.

9:53

It's just like, all the small

9:55

stuff's coming out now. But this

9:58

is, I've been waiting for this

10:00

opportunity. I'm just gonna even some

10:02

scores right now. Like when Michael

10:04

Jordan got into the Basketball Hall

10:06

of Fame and then he's just

10:08

like, picking on like people who

10:11

wronged him and other players. You're

10:13

just like, man, you can't let

10:15

this. You can't let it go?

10:17

At what point do you let

10:19

it go? That guy must be

10:21

so unhappy, Michael Jordan, because he

10:24

conditioned himself to be a winning

10:26

machine. And then there's like no,

10:28

what's he winning now? There's no

10:30

more games to win. No more

10:32

mountains to climb. Yeah. In that

10:34

documentary, which I remember being the

10:37

only thing on television that part

10:39

of 2020, just seems... They were

10:41

very good to rush that. I

10:43

think it was supposed to come

10:45

out like six months later and

10:47

it's like, nope, everybody needs a

10:50

10-hour documentary right now. Exactly. We

10:52

have a captive audience. Let's, yeah.

10:54

So yeah, so when they, when

10:56

they put that out, it was...

10:58

It was that in Tiger King

11:00

where the two things that everybody

11:03

was watching at the same time.

11:05

That's right. And as they baked

11:07

their sourdough bread and made the

11:09

jigsaw puzzle. I never want to

11:11

do another jigsaw puzzle as long

11:13

as I live helly Joel. Yeah,

11:15

I was doing Legos at one

11:18

point, growing tomatoes, ran through and

11:20

that was just like the first

11:22

month. Then I was like, right

11:24

now, what do I do to

11:26

the next year and a half?

11:28

Yeah, exactly. It was just like,

11:31

well, I remember somebody said to

11:33

me, I think this thing's gonna

11:35

last like three weeks. And it

11:37

was like, you're insane. Three weeks?

11:39

There's no way this thing is

11:41

not. Doesn't go three weeks. And

11:44

it's like, yeah, well, they were

11:46

right. Well, I was right. It

11:48

didn't go three weeks. It went.

11:50

much longer than two, three weeks.

11:52

Now, you are in a movie

11:54

that's called Not An Artist. That's

11:57

correct. And this movie, what is

11:59

this? Is it out now? That's

12:01

the one piece of the puzzle

12:03

I don't have in my head.

12:05

Yes, streaming everywhere on all of

12:07

your streaming services. And I guess

12:10

this movie is the answer to

12:12

what I did do. during the

12:14

pandemic because Alexei Pappas and Jeremy

12:16

Tyker who were the directors and

12:18

came up with the story for

12:20

it. They adapted it to be

12:23

shot in this summer camp basically

12:25

in the San Bernardino Mountains so

12:27

we could all shoot outdoors in

12:29

early 2021 during the depths of

12:31

the pandemic and maintain. protocol and

12:33

everything. And it's a completely improvised

12:36

movie. There is a story structure,

12:38

but all the scenes are improvised

12:40

between all the actors. And it's

12:42

Matt Walsh, the Riza, myself, Robert

12:44

Schwarzman, a huge ensemble cast of

12:46

great actors. And yeah, we had

12:48

a really good time making it.

12:51

It's a great cast, and it's

12:53

a really interesting concept. The idea

12:55

of exploring. a human's relationship to

12:57

art and when you go to

12:59

make these things and you go

13:01

to like because basically in a

13:04

nutshell the movie is about it's

13:06

it's the the artists are attending

13:08

this camp and the the Riza

13:10

is the the Abbott who's the

13:12

wisened leader of this whole thing

13:14

and you need to make your

13:17

art and but you can tap

13:19

out but you have to admit

13:21

that you're not an artist and

13:23

you will never make art again

13:25

and if you do you will

13:27

end up in court. But it

13:30

is just like such an interesting

13:32

thing to like sometimes it's hard

13:34

for people to admit they're an

13:36

artist and sometimes people who might

13:38

not be artists are the first

13:40

ones to say they are artists

13:43

and well how just over the

13:45

start how has your relationship to

13:47

your art changed over the years

13:49

because you obviously got a very

13:51

early start yeah it's it's luckily

13:53

for me it's been one of

13:56

the the few consistent things about

13:58

the industry that I work in

14:00

because there is a lot of

14:02

unpredictability, you know, geographically with where

14:04

you don't know where you're going

14:06

to be living and working most

14:08

of the time, and just how

14:11

quickly projects can come and go.

14:13

So I guess I've really... what's

14:15

sustained me over three decades now

14:17

is just I like showing up

14:19

and doing my job and going

14:21

to work every day and the

14:24

nuts and bolts of acting and

14:26

you know developing a character are

14:28

still just as fun for me

14:30

now as they were when I

14:32

was a kid. Obviously when I

14:34

was starting at four years old

14:37

I didn't have a complete understanding

14:39

of everything but... That's what's great

14:41

about the arts is that you

14:43

know you can be 90 years

14:45

old and still working on an

14:47

instrument or painting or you know

14:50

or acting and still be learning

14:52

new things about it and that's

14:54

that's what makes it so interesting

14:56

for me all these years later.

14:58

Yeah it's it's just amazing that

15:00

you have seen so many things

15:03

come and go in terms of

15:05

while while growing into it that's

15:07

the other part it's like you're

15:09

not doing it in a vacuum

15:11

you're a little itty bitty kid

15:13

and then you had to go

15:16

be a... in go through puberty

15:18

like everybody else they're doing in

15:20

the privacy of their own house

15:22

everybody you were doing in front

15:24

of everybody yeah yeah and how

15:26

do you maintain like any sort

15:29

of like because you're like everybody

15:31

likes you that's the thing this

15:33

everybody knows you they everybody likes

15:35

you one of the most beloved

15:37

people I've ever heard anybody talk

15:39

about it's like oh the nice

15:41

people we're The two nicest people

15:44

going. So, and we weren't together

15:46

once, we did comedy bank, bang

15:48

together. So we were one degree

15:50

separation, yeah. Do you feel like,

15:52

because I know a few people

15:54

who acted when they were kids

15:57

and some couldn't wait, at a

15:59

point they were just like, hey

16:01

I don't want to act, I

16:03

want to be behind the scenes,

16:05

I want to write, I want

16:07

to direct, other people were just

16:10

like, hey I never want to

16:12

do any of this again, I

16:14

just want to go to go

16:16

to school, and that was a

16:18

chapter. Like, how have you, how

16:20

have you, like, your relation to

16:23

it in that regard, did you

16:25

feel like you ever had, like,

16:27

less of a life than you

16:29

wanted? Because the, because the career

16:31

was too dominant? No, and, and

16:33

I, um, uh, kind of, uh,

16:36

put myself to the, to the

16:38

test by going to college and,

16:40

uh, not really working in LA

16:42

for, for a number of years

16:44

when I was at NYU. studying

16:46

theater as of the experimental theater

16:49

wing while I was there, but

16:51

it was really just to sort

16:53

of separate myself out from what

16:55

I was used to and to

16:57

see if that really was the

16:59

job I wanted to do for

17:02

the rest of my life. I've

17:04

always had interest in directing and

17:06

producing and writing, and even though

17:08

it's been some... some act of

17:10

God obstacles to all of that

17:12

with the pandemic and the strike

17:14

over the last couple years and

17:17

now LA is going through a

17:19

you know brand new crisis recently

17:21

that still is something that is

17:23

the very much a goal and

17:25

a dream for me but but

17:27

never at the expense of being

17:30

in front of the camera because

17:32

I think one of the things

17:34

I could best bring to being

17:36

a director was understanding what it's

17:38

like to be on the other

17:40

side. And I've worked with a

17:43

lot of actor directors, and I

17:45

think that that's, but most recently

17:47

with Zoe Kravitz on Blink twice,

17:49

and I know that her being

17:51

such an experienced and good actor

17:53

fed into how great she was

17:56

working with us as a director.

17:58

Oh, absolutely. Everybody who's in this

18:00

field needs to at some point

18:02

put the other person's hat on,

18:04

just so you have some pers-

18:06

I know when I started directing

18:09

stuff, because I started as a

18:11

writer, and that's still how I

18:13

would, I guess, identify my career,

18:15

but when I started to direct

18:17

stuff, even just small stuff, it

18:19

changed my approach to writing in

18:22

very specific ways, we're just like,

18:24

you can start to make the

18:26

moves in terms of keeping things

18:28

tight and focused at that point,

18:30

because you just don't. Like there's

18:32

always those writers who just drop

18:34

a thing that's five inches thick

18:37

and go like I don't want

18:39

to change a word of this.

18:41

It's all perfect. It's like I

18:43

guarantee It's not It's not perfect

18:45

because none of this stuff is

18:47

perfect. Yeah Yeah, the collaboration is

18:50

really what makes it so fun

18:52

and what keeps you on your

18:54

toes. And one of the things

18:56

that was a big thing people

18:58

were arguing for in the strikes

19:00

was having riders be on set

19:03

for all these shows because that's

19:05

such a valuable relationship for people

19:07

to develop is to have the

19:09

whole team there and to learn

19:11

how to work with actors and

19:13

to produce those scenes and to

19:16

see how those changes happen as

19:18

you run into those obstacles. It's

19:20

just such an important thing to

19:22

maintain. Yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely. What was

19:24

it like working with the Rizza,

19:26

which is one of the all-time

19:29

most interesting people ever? And you

19:31

got to do something with him.

19:33

What was that like? Yes, I

19:35

love the Wooten Clan. I love

19:37

the Rizza's work process, many, many

19:39

projects, and the things that he's

19:42

produced. I saw the Wooten Clan

19:44

many times when I was a

19:46

teenager and in college and beyond

19:48

at big festivals. And occasionally, one

19:50

time in... Amsterdam, I saw them

19:52

at this like 200-seat little theater,

19:55

which was a crazy experience seeing

19:57

all of them in such close

19:59

quarters. But it was amazing. And,

20:01

you know, he's the avid in

20:03

this movie and he's dressed in

20:05

these great robes and were way

20:07

out in the, you know, this.

20:10

not redwood, but this this forest

20:12

north of Los Angeles and just

20:14

to see him like striding between

20:16

the trees like in his dojo

20:18

and everything was just just kind

20:20

of perfect and he loves comedy

20:23

and really likes like working in

20:25

that space and was just so

20:27

fun to work with and to

20:29

do it and improvise scenes where

20:31

you he would go on these

20:33

monologues and I don't think there's

20:36

I think there's few people in

20:38

the world who are as good

20:40

as him at, you know, speaking

20:42

extemporaneously and coming up with stuff

20:44

on the spot. So it was,

20:46

for a fan like me, it

20:49

was very, very cool. And I,

20:51

when I saw the poster, I

20:53

texted to Lexi and I was

20:55

like, thank you for putting me

20:57

in the box next to the

20:59

risa, the poster. That will mean

21:02

a lot to me, to me,

21:04

remember. Yeah, no, that's wild because

21:06

he is, everybody knows what he

21:08

did. And then for him to

21:10

just be a person is kind

21:12

of feels like it's like a

21:15

magic trick or something. Yeah, it

21:17

really does. Yeah, it's really truly

21:19

like a larger than life person

21:21

where I've worked with a lot

21:23

of actors and actors I admire.

21:25

And I don't really get starstruck

21:28

with that, but with musicians and

21:30

fingers like the risa, that's when

21:32

you're like, wow, because that's a

21:34

totally different relationships where like I've

21:36

listened to your music for decades

21:38

and now we're here. doing a

21:40

scene together. That's amazing. Let's, to

21:43

stay in the arena of hip-hop,

21:45

all the Kendrick Lamar stuff, what

21:47

was that like to hear your

21:49

name, like, kind of more than

21:51

once, right? Like you were, yeah.

21:53

Multiple references to you in the

21:56

Kendrick Drake feud from the Kendrick

21:58

side. He, he, uh, because he

22:00

mentioned, he kind of blurred your

22:02

name with Joel Austin. Yeah. And

22:04

then like the the the lyric

22:06

scholars were sort of dissecting whether

22:09

it was a mistake or whether

22:11

it was an intentional blending of

22:13

me and Osteine's name, but I

22:15

was in Dublin shooting that show

22:17

Wednesday and in the middle of

22:19

the night just got like a

22:22

hundred texts. It was very hard

22:24

to figure out what even had

22:26

happened at first. I was like,

22:28

well, somebody bad at me and

22:30

what happened. And then like to,

22:32

yeah, to be a small part

22:35

of. That event and then for

22:37

it to be such a cool

22:39

album and for him to win

22:41

all those grammies yesterday Yeah, I'm

22:43

a big Kendrick fan. That was

22:45

really cool. I would hope I

22:48

hope he'd give you one of

22:50

those five grammies You should sure

22:52

you should just hit him up.

22:54

Come on. You got four now.

22:56

Yeah, now that is just mind-blowing

22:58

the idea that you are just

23:00

this guy's the premier lyricist on

23:03

Earth right now and he's pulling

23:05

you times in the course of

23:07

this rap battle that yeah that's

23:09

just truly mind-blowing and it feels

23:11

like it must just be yet

23:13

another like weird amazing thing in

23:16

a weird amazing life that you

23:18

had. It truly is. Yeah, there's

23:20

still lots of things that can

23:22

surprise me about what it's like

23:24

to around for this long. Now,

23:26

I'm going to ask you about

23:29

a couple people. Just give me

23:31

the thoughts, any story, whatever. Bridey

23:33

Elliot. Oh man, Bridey is a

23:35

very close friend of mine. She

23:37

found the dog that is out

23:39

of frame behind me. stray dog

23:42

that she named Dorothy which I

23:44

ended up adopting two years ago

23:46

so we have that connection but

23:48

she wrote and directed a film

23:50

called Clara's Ghost in 2017 that

23:52

we went to Sundance with and

23:55

it's basically her real family and

23:57

me shooting at their real house

23:59

at the time in old Sabrook

24:01

in Connecticut and I play like

24:03

a local loser. pot dealer who

24:05

sort of like does odd jobs

24:08

around there and get sort of

24:10

swept into their family drama. But

24:12

I've gotten to work with pretty

24:14

much her entire family. I worked

24:16

with Abby on Sex Ed and

24:18

then the all of them in

24:21

that movie and then I just

24:23

worked with Chris Elliott on a

24:25

film called Love Love which was

24:27

written by Abby's husband Bill Kennedy.

24:29

and we just finished shooting a

24:31

couple weeks ago. So that should

24:33

be out, hopefully hitting festivals this

24:36

year. That's amazing. Now that's, Chris

24:38

is one of my all-time heroes.

24:40

I also wrote the word hero

24:42

out. Why not? Absolutely. Love them

24:44

forever. And then one of the,

24:46

him being so nice to me

24:49

in real life has been just

24:51

like, I almost can't believe it

24:53

that he's actually knows, remembers my

24:55

name and answers me when I

24:57

ask him a question and now

24:59

he's just and Claire's ghost was

25:02

really great and wow what an

25:04

intense movie though because it is

25:06

like it's the Elliot family kind

25:08

of laying some version of their

25:10

actual real-life dramas out into this

25:12

scripted story. What is it like

25:15

to step into a family dynamic

25:17

like that? Because it was all

25:19

for them, because it was Lori

25:21

also, right? Lori? Paula. Paula, but

25:23

we, it was surprisingly, at least

25:25

for me, a relaxed experience because

25:28

yeah, it's, you know, it's a

25:30

very complex movie about all of

25:32

these interfamily. you know, anxieties and

25:34

the drama happening there, but we

25:36

had a great time shooting at

25:38

their house with a lot of

25:41

people, a lot of this team

25:43

that Bride and I have worked

25:45

with repeatedly now behind the camera

25:47

too. And I just loved hanging

25:49

out with the Elliotts and I

25:51

got to be kind of the

25:54

audiences I and that movie and

25:56

sort of you know I and

25:58

I love that it's a very

26:00

70s she shot it in a

26:02

very cool 70s way and edited

26:04

and you know and filmed it

26:06

in a way that's very much

26:09

of those little 70s dramas where

26:11

you know you get kind of

26:13

get swept up into these you

26:15

know these characters tangled webs and

26:17

everything and I just love doing

26:19

a great soundtrack too she had

26:22

that Was it that Richard Harris

26:24

song with the cake out in

26:26

the rain? Oh MacArthur Park. MacArthur

26:28

Park. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We have

26:30

a little dance sequence to that.

26:32

Yeah. Then I think maybe Brady

26:35

can sue Beetle Juice too then

26:37

because they also had a dance

26:39

number to MacArthur Park. Really? Yes.

26:41

That is interesting. I think you

26:43

might be on the stand soon.

26:45

I love getting into music. I'm

26:48

in all kinds of music scandals

26:50

these days. Sure, yeah, exactly. You

26:52

really are. Who knew you were

26:54

the hub of music scandals in

26:56

2025? Now, a couple other people,

26:58

I was asked to ask you

27:01

about an encounter with Timothy Shalame.

27:03

who has heard this story. He's

27:05

great. I love, I love his

27:07

performances. Very nice person too. I

27:09

ran into him in a upscale

27:11

group porta-potty at the Independent Spirit

27:14

Awards in 2018. So it's like

27:16

the nice little trailer, but it's

27:18

still kind of close quarters and

27:20

we're both walking away from the

27:22

urinals. And it was like, oh,

27:24

hey, hi. But we were yet

27:26

to wash our hands. So we

27:29

had this kind of thing of

27:31

like, oh, but to shake your

27:33

hand, but not shake your hand.

27:35

And he goes, huh. We're so

27:37

vulnerable when we excrete, aren't we?

27:39

I was like, thank you. Thank

27:42

you for a great quote. Yeah,

27:44

that actually, I guess he was

27:46

getting ready to play Bob Dylan

27:48

at that point with. Yeah, he

27:50

was. He was already in getting

27:52

in the character. Yeah, it was

27:55

so vulnerable when we screen, man.

27:57

And it's just like, so. Well,

27:59

that's a line from desolation row.

28:01

I'm all like, I think so.

28:03

I think it's the 14th verse.

28:05

I think he says, we're all

28:08

vulnerable when we excrete. So, so

28:10

what else is 2025 like for

28:12

you? What's, what's, what's, what's, what's

28:14

coming up? Let's see. I know

28:16

Wednesday, season two is coming out

28:18

pretty soon. I'm not sure the

28:21

exact date. This has come out.

28:23

There's a really cool project I've

28:25

got to work on at the

28:27

very end of last year that

28:29

I'm not allowed to announce yet,

28:31

but it's going to be a

28:34

pretty big event coming around the

28:36

middle of the year. But yeah,

28:38

just looking for the next job

28:40

hoping... you know to see LA

28:42

get back on its feet after

28:44

you know really brutal start to

28:47

the year but yeah things are

28:49

things are moving along here it's

28:51

been encouraging that you know it

28:53

seems like everybody wants to start

28:55

the long process of rebuilding and

28:57

and trying to you know boost

28:59

our industry in this town because

29:02

it needs it now more than

29:04

ever. No absolutely it's this is

29:06

for anybody who is not in

29:08

Los Angeles and hasn't been able

29:10

to help out in any way

29:12

I can only say it's like

29:15

Don't worry, there will be plenty

29:17

of time to help out because

29:19

this is not some overnight fix.

29:21

This is going to be going

29:23

on for a very long time.

29:25

So it's going to kind of

29:28

be all hands on deck for

29:30

a good long while. Everybody can

29:32

have their chance to pitch in

29:34

on this because there's some definite

29:36

work to be done here. Well,

29:38

look, the movie is great. I

29:41

really enjoyed not an artist and

29:43

it's so nice to finally get

29:45

to say hi and talk to

29:47

you and... Anytime you want to

29:49

come on, you just come down

29:51

and you bring some pizza for

29:54

you, you tell me what you

29:56

want. We'll have absolutely. Whatever you

29:58

want here. I'd love to. Now

30:00

any time, it's a real pleasure

30:02

and I appreciate you taking the

30:04

time. Thank you, man. Great talking

30:07

to you. Yeah, cool. We'll talk

30:09

soon. All righty. Take care. Bye.

30:11

Bye. That's how we do it

30:13

on the show. Right? So we

30:15

do it on the best show.

30:27

Good morning, everybody. It's Tim Heidecker

30:29

coming in from Glendive, Montana, where

30:32

I am remote in a Holiday

30:34

Inn express. But the boys are

30:36

back in the studio, and we

30:39

had a great time. Nevertheless, we

30:41

had the incredible Bonnie Prince Billy,

30:43

aka Will Old Man, call in

30:46

to talk about his new album.

30:48

We took your calls. We had

30:50

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31:11

are good phones are

31:13

up. Yeah phones are

31:16

up. I think the

31:18

last I checked we

31:21

just needed People to

31:23

call in yeah 201

31:26

989 012. I Am

31:29

looking for the perfect

31:31

call can I get

31:34

please? Can you give

31:36

me? The

31:39

perfect call so I can

31:41

start the show Let's go

31:43

to the phones 2-0-0-1-2. Hello

31:45

best show Hey, who's this?

31:47

This is Pearl Pony. I've

31:50

called one a few times

31:52

before. How are you Pearl

31:54

Pony? How's it going for

31:56

you? going pretty good pretty

31:59

good what's what's been going

32:01

on nothing much school start

32:03

back up again it's February

32:05

somehow and so there's that

32:07

yeah are you where are

32:10

you in Los Angeles Pearl

32:12

Pony no I'm not but

32:14

I do know a couple

32:16

people who live in Los

32:19

Angeles okay everybody's okay hopefully

32:21

yeah I think yeah they're

32:23

good well I'm glad to

32:25

hear that I'm glad to

32:28

hear that I'm glad to

32:30

hear that Tell me what

32:32

you are looking to do

32:34

this month. What's on the

32:36

docket, Pearl Pony? Probably have

32:39

a good Valentine's Day, maybe

32:41

see a movie, have fun

32:43

on my February break, that's

32:45

creeping closer and closer by

32:48

each day. Mm-hmm. That's a

32:50

good February. What is your

32:52

favorite movie of last year,

32:54

Pearl Pony? What movie did

32:56

you enjoy the most? Do

32:59

you mean did it come

33:02

out last year or did

33:04

I watch it left? Let's

33:06

just say you saw it

33:09

in 2024 Definitely Mad Max

33:11

hero first-time viewing and I've

33:13

watched it around 15 times.

33:16

Oh my goodness You've seen

33:18

it 15 times Yes, wow

33:20

you are a Mad Max

33:23

fury road super fan Did

33:25

you watch the other Mad

33:27

Max? Yeah, just not

33:29

the first and second one. I'm

33:31

not, apparently I'm not old enough

33:34

for them yet. The first and

33:36

second one. They're a little violent.

33:38

Do you mind me asking Pearl

33:40

Pony, what age, where are you,

33:42

age-wise? Eleven. Eleven, okay, yes. Seventy

33:44

twelve and around three months. Couple

33:47

you got, I would say, give

33:49

it another year and change before

33:51

you watch Road Warrior. I saw

33:53

it when I was thirteen. and

33:55

it was super violent and I

33:57

saw it in the movies, in

33:59

the movie theater, and I kind

34:02

of can't forget certain images from

34:04

it all the way from back

34:06

then. What's there? Now Tom, I

34:08

got a question for you. Yes,

34:10

okay. And I just want to

34:12

say one thing. This is a

34:15

perfect call so far. What's the

34:17

question? All right, cool. My question

34:19

is, do you remember what you

34:21

guys were talking about honeydake cans,

34:23

I think, like in the Thanksgiving

34:25

Christmas episodes? Yes. So

34:28

I'm wondering, do you think people

34:30

honey-baked ham got a line for

34:32

Valentine's Day? Like, do you think

34:35

honey-baked ham sells ham or Valentine's

34:37

Day? Well, pro-pone. That is an

34:39

amazing question. And it's exactly the

34:41

kind of question I want to

34:44

be asked. Do I think there

34:46

is a Valentine's Day rush on

34:48

ham's at honey-baked hand? I'm gonna

34:50

say, there might be a slight.

34:53

Bump, but it is almost untraceable.

34:55

I don't think there's gonna be

34:57

a line outside honey-bake ham with

35:00

everybody. Because I'll say this, look.

35:02

Nobody wants it. People are going

35:04

on their romantic date. I don't

35:06

know if ham is the thing

35:09

they want to be eating. You

35:11

know what I mean? My dear,

35:13

I bought you for dinner. I've

35:15

made us ham. Exactly. You eat

35:18

ham. That's exactly, you watch him,

35:20

you watch him, then you go

35:22

lay down and then you realize

35:25

you fell asleep all night. You

35:27

watch him? Okay, you got, what

35:29

does that mean Tom? You watch,

35:31

okay. No, you eat him. I'm

35:34

gonna watch some ham. Oh, they're

35:36

giving me the business. This is

35:38

what I forgot. I forgot this

35:40

is who you were. I forgot.

35:43

A sassy child. You sassy, and

35:45

you know what? Well, I mean,

35:47

a sassy, that other kid was.

35:50

No offense to that child. I'm

35:52

just gonna I'm just gonna say

35:54

this pearl pony You're sassy. You're

35:56

giving me some guff. I like

35:59

it Oh, perfect call!

36:01

I'll see you. We will talk

36:03

soon. All right. Bye, bye. There

36:06

we go already. Look at

36:08

that. The perfect call we

36:10

did it already. First one

36:13

out of the box. Borat

36:15

himself would say, wow,

36:18

we wah, if that was the

36:20

case for Borat. Can we shut

36:22

the air off, please? I put

36:24

the air on. The way it

36:26

works here at Forever Dog

36:29

is. There's

36:31

either a long Cold thing

36:33

because the air gets you so

36:36

cold you're and then

36:38

shut the air off and

36:40

then suddenly it's hot It's

36:42

like a thermus up

36:44

in this piece. It's either hot

36:47

or cold Okay, what are

36:49

we got going on here?

36:51

Everybody having fun?

36:53

Everybody having fun

36:56

tonight? Everybody having fun

36:58

tonight? I want to talk,

37:00

first of all, let me

37:02

just get it started. Is

37:04

my guy Mike here, Mike? We got

37:06

Mike? He's in the zoom, but

37:08

I'm not sure if he can

37:11

hear you at the second. Okay.

37:13

Okay. Sorry to say. Don't worry,

37:15

we'll get him. We'll get him

37:17

at some point. We'll get him.

37:19

We'll get him at some point.

37:22

We'll get him. We'll get him.

37:24

We'll get him at some point.

37:26

We'll get him. We

37:28

always get what

37:30

we want here on

37:33

the best show and

37:35

I want a Heaping

37:37

dose of AP Mike

37:40

We'll get it soon.

37:42

I want to tell

37:44

you all Let me

37:46

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38:51

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38:53

Julia Vikerman, who

38:55

I am lucky enough to

38:57

call my wife. My wife Julia

39:00

Vikerman, we had an amazing,

39:02

we did an amazing episode.

39:04

It's a show we do

39:06

together. We did an amazing

39:08

episode with our friend Sarah

39:10

Pocock and Sarah was talking

39:12

about things. Outgrown we talk about

39:14

the things you loved when you

39:17

were younger and you outgrew them

39:19

and what's the relationship like. Sarah,

39:22

one of the best guests we've

39:24

had. She was obsessed with

39:26

Leonardo DiCaprio and she

39:28

brought her. journals that she wrote

39:30

when she was a kid and read

39:32

from them on the show. It was

39:34

amazing. I think we have a clip.

39:36

Let's check that out. Dear Journal,

39:38

this is March 9th, 1997. I

39:40

learned a lot in church today.

39:42

I've got to try to do

39:44

everything my parents tell me for

39:46

a week. I'll try my best.

39:48

Also, we learned how to keep

39:51

our thoughts clean by humming our

39:53

favorite hymn or song as long

39:55

as it's appropriate in parentheses. Wow,

39:57

so the bad thoughts are

39:59

clearly Bubbling under. We're all

40:01

about to watch Romeo and Juliet. I

40:03

want to see that movie so much.

40:06

Leonardo DiCaprio is cute. I suppose I

40:08

must wrap it up. Time to watch

40:10

the movie. Good night. Who you did not

40:12

know what was? I had no

40:15

idea what was imminent. What

40:17

was about was about. What

40:19

was about to happen. I'm

40:21

12. March 29th, 1988. I

40:23

love Leonardo DiCaprio. Everything anybody

40:25

does or says reminds me

40:27

of him. Oh, I can't

40:30

describe my feelings. Other girls

40:32

gaze and sigh at his

40:34

China doll face, his thoughtful

40:36

words, but I do more

40:38

than that when I

40:40

see him sleeping. Why?

40:42

When I see him

40:45

sleeping. His China doll

40:47

face. The China doll

40:49

face of Leonardo

40:51

DiCaprio. Mike. Looka!

40:53

Oh no. Looka! Oh boy.

40:55

Well I sure love that

40:57

trade. That was awesome. Being

41:00

in Los Angeles now I

41:02

get to see that guy

41:04

for a decade here. No

41:07

I'm thinking you got the

41:09

jersey already. Come on. This

41:11

is gonna put you over

41:14

the edge. Now you can

41:16

join the LA crowd. Mike.

41:18

Front row. Mike. You looka

41:20

shirt on. Mike. My looka

41:22

shirt. When I say, you

41:25

couldn't pay me to put

41:27

on a Luca Jersey, I

41:29

mean, you couldn't pay me

41:31

to do that. You truly,

41:34

there is no number that

41:36

it could be hit, that

41:38

I would go, fine, give

41:41

me the Jersey, I'll start

41:43

walking around with it. Lots

41:46

of speculation on why

41:48

they dealt them, huh?

41:50

Any ideas? Yeah, I think

41:53

the new owners seem like

41:55

they they got the team

41:57

from from Mark Cuban

42:00

who literally said things

42:02

to the effect that I

42:04

would rather break up with

42:06

my wife than trade Luca

42:08

like when he like jokingly

42:11

said that once he's so

42:13

new owners immediately trade

42:15

him I think I think

42:17

it's uh everybody thinks

42:20

like he's like he's like

42:22

some like he's out of

42:24

shape or something it's just

42:27

like yeah who cares like

42:29

Yokech is, Nickle Yokech is

42:31

this guy who plays an

42:34

NBA. Best player in the

42:36

NBA, one of the best

42:39

players ever in the NBA,

42:41

can do anything he

42:43

wants with the basketball.

42:46

And you see him

42:48

and he looks kind of

42:50

like a guy you'd be

42:52

stuck at. 7-Eleven

42:54

waiting for the person to

42:57

stop buying lottery tickets in

42:59

front of you. Like, that's

43:01

who. Yokech looks like that

43:03

guy, but he's the best player.

43:05

It's not a, we're not putting

43:08

a sexy calendar together here.

43:10

We don't need, it's a basketball

43:12

team. If the guy can make

43:14

the shots and do all the stuff

43:17

and he's not just jacked.

43:19

Yeah. I don't know. It's a, it's

43:21

a weird one. Yeah. I got the

43:23

New York Knicks on my side, Mike.

43:25

That's all I got. I can't even

43:27

watch them. Because the blackout?

43:29

Yeah. Yeah, my mother's dealing with

43:31

that too. She's just, she's so

43:34

mad. I don't blame her. They're

43:36

finally good. And now they, now

43:38

they're blacked out. Yeah. Well,

43:40

that's, that's, they're using it

43:42

as leverage now. Yeah. Before people

43:45

didn't care. Now, now people care.

43:47

Yeah. when they were when they

43:49

won 18 games that one year

43:52

17 games no one cared yeah

43:54

thank you thank you for not

43:57

putting them on my TV now

43:59

Mike this Sunday is the Super

44:01

Bowl. Yeah. And I want to

44:04

talk throughout the show. We

44:06

can take calls on

44:08

Super Bowl predictions. I want

44:10

to hear people Super

44:13

Bowl predictions. And do

44:15

I care who wins a game?

44:17

I don't care what's going on

44:19

like either of these teams.

44:22

Yeah. Well, Kansas City

44:24

used to root for them

44:26

when they weren't so dominant.

44:28

Yeah. But now they're there

44:31

every year and you got

44:33

Taylor Swift in the box

44:35

and we got to go check

44:37

in with her. How's she doing?

44:39

Yeah. How's she doing after the

44:41

game? Of course I can't root

44:43

for the Eagles. No, so... Too

44:45

close. They're too close. Yeah, too

44:48

close. Although, although I've already

44:50

been in communication with our

44:52

man, Jellowman is on the

44:55

scene. And he's got some events

44:57

lined up in Philly if you're

44:59

in Philly. You want to check

45:02

out Jellowman? He's going to be

45:04

at some place with a 250

45:06

inch screen. I said, I told

45:08

him maybe he should bring some

45:10

shades. He might lose his retinas

45:12

looking at that screen all night.

45:15

A 250 inch screen. That's a

45:17

movie theater screen. I guess so,

45:19

yeah. Yeah. But he's going to

45:21

be out there. Keep an eye

45:24

out for Jellow, man. Okay, everybody

45:26

is concerned about his safety. I

45:28

am too. Because I told him

45:31

once, don't become the face of

45:33

this, because if they lose,

45:35

you are the face of it.

45:37

You're the jinks. Yeah, you're the

45:40

jinks. Suddenly, where the guy with

45:42

the jello shots come from, he's

45:44

a jinks. Get him. Like, I

45:46

don't know if you saw any

45:48

of the video where he... you

45:50

know and he confirmed that he

45:53

was he didn't have his people

45:55

with him when he when he

45:57

mounted the surfboard above the crowd

45:59

yeah He huddled with these guys,

46:01

just random strangers. Now he's, and

46:04

he, you know, he talked him

46:06

into like what they had to

46:09

do. And I'm like, man, I,

46:11

you know, I could never trust

46:13

those people. No, I would not.

46:16

He's like, and don't take this

46:18

the wrong way, Joe, a man.

46:21

It's like if Charles Manson was

46:23

from Philadelphia and didn't kill people.

46:25

That's what I'm saying. You're not

46:28

a murderer, but you are an

46:30

insanely charming charming, charming, charming guy.

46:33

Uh-huh. Who, people want to do

46:35

things with and for. So, he's

46:37

like a non-murdering Philadelphia, Charles Manson.

46:40

Where, you know, he's got

46:42

some guys lifting up a

46:44

board that he's... I'm gonna

46:46

surf, surf on this thing.

46:48

Yes, sir. You guys hold

46:50

it. Okay. Yeah. He's out there

46:52

doing it. Yeah, now here's some

46:55

here's some things I want to

46:57

get predictions on from the audience.

47:00

What? Celebrity, what ironic celebrity will

47:02

appear in a commercial. Interesting. What

47:04

will be the most offensive commercial?

47:07

Will it be like a weird

47:09

religion one? Like, like, will they

47:12

do another Scientology one or? It's

47:14

got to be one of those

47:16

one-offs. Yeah. You know. What guests

47:19

will Kendrick Lamar be joined

47:21

by on stage? And who

47:23

will be the dumbest celebrity

47:25

in the crowd at the

47:27

game? I got to ponder

47:29

some of those. Yeah, well we

47:31

can so we'll talk about them

47:34

later. We'll talk about them now

47:36

it's got our work cut out

47:39

for us Mike. Who do you

47:41

think wins the game? Let me

47:43

get your prediction. Yeah, I think

47:46

unfortunately I think Kansas City will

47:48

win. You know, there's all this

47:51

talk about how the the refs

47:53

are in. the pocket of the

47:55

Chiefs. There was some disputed calls

47:58

from the bills game. I

48:00

don't know if you saw

48:02

any of that stuff, but

48:04

people have been making the

48:06

case that the NFL wants

48:08

the Chiefs to win because they

48:10

love the Taylor Swift angle. Sure.

48:13

Now everybody's she's brought in all

48:15

these new football fans. Sure. Of

48:17

course, because she's on the field.

48:20

They show her between a... In

48:22

the booth, in a, behind a

48:25

pain of glass, the reflection, you

48:27

can half seer with some of

48:30

these games. It's not like she's

48:32

doing a concert. Uh-huh. I think

48:34

you can bet on the over

48:37

and under for times that

48:39

they go to the the

48:41

booth and show her. You

48:43

can get action on that.

48:45

Well, that seems very, very

48:47

controllable if I was, if I

48:49

worked and on like a. Producer

48:52

I would go bet on that

48:54

and then control the amount of

48:56

time she was on camera. Yeah

48:59

There's your angle Here's your angle

49:01

Mike because all these sports betters.

49:04

They're always like it's so funny

49:06

when the team loses suddenly the

49:08

refs are not good It's funny

49:11

how that works. They get all

49:13

mad when the refs at the

49:16

refs when their team they

49:18

never just like Have you

49:20

ever heard somebody go, oh

49:22

my god, the officiating was

49:24

the worst and I'm so

49:26

mad at it and everything if

49:28

their team wins? No, no, no,

49:31

he's ever done that once. The

49:33

refs are on your side. But

49:35

the chiefs are getting a little

49:38

defensive about it. There's too many

49:40

people chiming in and they don't

49:43

like to, you know, they want

49:45

to win on their own. They

49:47

don't want help and so they're

49:50

a little defensive about it now.

49:52

Yeah, now look. The

49:55

refs. They're just people. Occasionally

49:57

there's a crook surfaces but

49:59

on the whole it's so

50:01

hard they're just bad at

50:04

it they've been bad at

50:06

it since the beginning of

50:08

sports yeah there's probably a

50:11

in the Coliseum there's probably

50:13

a gladiator who got mauled

50:15

by a lion because arrest

50:18

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50:20

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50:22

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52:05

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52:07

to you in a

52:10

little bit. We got

52:12

some. some stuff to

52:14

talk about I think

52:16

so. Well, I would

52:18

hope you. Yeah, this

52:20

is the John in

52:22

Los Angeles. I'm doing

52:25

all right. I'm working

52:27

from home today and

52:29

right as this call

52:31

started, I'm on my

52:33

legally mandated break. Okay.

52:35

Just to cover myself.

52:37

Yeah, no, this is

52:40

a... Rules. Rules, rules,

52:42

rules. Yeah, it's rules.

52:44

And no one, like

52:46

my manager can't talk

52:48

to me about work

52:50

right now. No. That's

52:52

the other rule. You

52:54

are exempt. So

52:57

what's going on, John? What's

52:59

cooking? Well, something I want

53:01

to say is that for

53:03

people who watch the live

53:06

stream, there's this new photo

53:08

montage that, you know, I

53:10

think was made to commemorate

53:12

the 25th anniversary of the

53:14

show. And it's really cool.

53:16

I just want to compliment

53:18

whoever was behind that. It's

53:21

really well done. It is

53:23

outstanding. Outstanding. Yeah. Love it

53:25

love it love it. Love

53:27

it. Yes. I believe that's

53:29

our own Brett Davis did

53:31

that Very cool. What can

53:33

he do? Yeah, well, just

53:36

list what he can do.

53:38

It's a shorter list Yes,

53:40

so sure sure movies I

53:42

want to add. You go.

53:44

What do you want to

53:46

ask? What do you want?

53:48

Funny funny enough. I want

53:51

to ask you about a

53:53

movie. Yes Did you, did

53:55

you get a chance to

53:57

see the Brian Eno documentary

53:59

or the live stream that

54:01

they did? Oh, John. John,

54:03

John, did I see the

54:06

Brian Eno documentary? I saw

54:08

three and a half cuts

54:10

of the Brian Eno documentary

54:12

made by Gary Hutswit, I

54:14

believe, is the director's name?

54:16

He did a documentary about,

54:18

what was it, about a

54:21

font, I'm blanking on it

54:23

completely, Helvetica? Was that what

54:25

it was? He

54:28

made a Brian you know

54:30

we could if only we

54:32

could look it up John

54:34

Yeah He made a Brian

54:37

you know documentary that the

54:39

the hook with this thing

54:41

is Every time you see

54:44

it. It's different Every time

54:46

you see the movie. It's

54:48

different and it's got some

54:50

generative elements to it where

54:53

you and the so What

54:55

they did was They did

54:57

a 24-hour stream a week

55:00

or two ago, where they

55:02

showed the movie six times,

55:04

I believe. And each time

55:07

was different. I was able

55:09

to watch three of them

55:11

in a little bit of

55:13

another one. So yeah, I've

55:16

seen, I saw multiple versions

55:18

of it. There are anchors

55:20

to the storytelling that are

55:23

there for every version of

55:25

the movie, and then there's

55:27

these other things that kind

55:29

of pop in and pop

55:32

out that are different. So

55:34

it's not like you're going

55:36

to feel like you didn't

55:39

get to experience the movie.

55:41

The story is the story.

55:43

It's there for every cut

55:45

of the movie. But there

55:48

are variations in every version

55:50

of it also. Well,

55:53

it's kind of like there's

55:56

different chapters and they just

55:58

kind of mix and mix

56:00

match the different chapters as

56:02

they're going through. That's what

56:05

it felt like. So it

56:07

might be a little non-linear

56:09

or it might be a

56:11

little more linear, but you

56:13

can like, you can almost

56:16

see like the note cards

56:18

automatically shifting on the court

56:20

board as you're watching it.

56:22

Does that make sense? Absolutely.

56:25

What was your favorite part

56:27

of it? My favorite part

56:29

was. I

56:31

liked a lot when there's a

56:33

very interesting part when he was

56:36

talking about what it was like

56:38

to have the label of being

56:40

an ambient artist and how how

56:43

it felt like it was a

56:45

bit of an albatross around his

56:47

neck at a point that he

56:50

was that he was just the

56:52

face of of this just mellow

56:55

music that did nothing but be

56:57

kind of dreamy that you could

56:59

fall asleep to. And at one

57:02

point, he was so down on

57:04

that, Joanie Mitchell reached out and

57:06

said, I would like to make

57:09

an ambient record with you. And

57:11

he said, I'm not doing that

57:13

right now because he was so

57:16

down on it at that point.

57:18

And he regrets that to no

57:20

end and... is, it just, he

57:23

was just like, Joanie, I'm still

57:25

here, if you want to make

57:27

that record. Like, I just think

57:30

about what that record would have

57:32

been like. And Brian Eno, Joanie

57:34

Mitchell collaboration, wow. Yeah, that was

57:37

the part that stuck out with

57:39

me the most, you know, because

57:41

I, the version I saw that,

57:44

I saw that bit, and it's

57:46

kind of. Like he said that

57:49

like people started describing other music

57:51

as you know ask. Yes. And

57:53

it felt like that was they

57:56

were saying it was wimpy for

57:58

like using that as another. for

58:00

Winpi and it made him self-conscious.

58:03

Absolutely, yes. Eno has became this

58:05

thing that's just kind of like

58:07

you're, you just took a sleeping

58:10

pill and, and this is from

58:12

a guy who, he is a

58:14

three-dimensional person and he's been, he's,

58:17

he was in, he said a

58:19

lot of, you're talking about chapters

58:21

of a life and a career,

58:24

that would be, he's, he's the,

58:26

he's the poster child for that.

58:30

Yeah, and it's but it

58:32

was an interesting moment because so

58:34

many of these documentaries show

58:36

these artists is like being uncompromising

58:39

and here's a moment where

58:41

this guy just kind of like

58:43

doubted himself and did made a

58:46

move that he regretted like

58:48

usually don't see that in music

58:50

documentaries like oh Yeah, that's

58:52

an excellent point. You do not

58:54

generally documentaries don't focus on what

58:57

didn't happen because they're busy

58:59

focusing on what did happen. So

59:01

it is very interesting to

59:03

see somebody express doubt and take

59:06

credit for a miss for

59:08

an error that they wish

59:10

they could have a do over

59:12

on. Yeah, it's very it's

59:14

very interesting and it's worth checking

59:17

out. I know they're gonna

59:19

try to do another screening type

59:21

thing of it soon. They said

59:23

they're gonna do something in

59:25

a different configuration sooner than later.

59:28

So everybody should. keep an

59:30

eye out for it. It's a

59:32

really interesting movie. Yeah, there's another

59:35

moment that I want to

59:37

mention where he's just bringing up

59:39

songs on YouTube from his

59:41

like when he was a boy

59:43

that he really liked. Do you

59:46

remember? Did you see the

59:48

moment? I did. And he tries

59:50

and he tries to click

59:52

on one song. and an ad

59:55

pops up. He gets so mad.

59:57

I think he flipped off

59:59

and yeah. And it happened a

1:00:01

couple times throughout the documentary.

1:00:03

He'd go. So clearly, Brian Eno,

1:00:06

not paying for that YouTube

1:00:08

premium. Like he was getting

1:00:10

all those you two album residuals

1:00:12

still can't cough up the

1:00:14

899 a month for YouTube premium?

1:00:17

Come on Brian. Maybe he

1:00:19

just forgot his credit card change.

1:00:21

Yes, maybe his credit cards expired

1:00:24

or canceling your thing. I

1:00:26

found it to be a really,

1:00:28

I found it to be

1:00:30

a really, I found it to

1:00:32

be a relatable moment. Yeah. Like,

1:00:35

it made me identify with

1:00:37

him. Yeah. No, I really enjoyed

1:00:39

it. And, you know, maybe

1:00:41

we get the director on. Who

1:00:44

knows? Let's see what, who knows

1:00:46

what's coming down the pike

1:00:48

here on the best show? All

1:00:50

right, John, I'm gonna jump.

1:00:52

We got a guest coming up

1:00:55

and I'm, thank you for the

1:00:57

call. Good guy, good guy.

1:00:59

What I'm gonna do now? I'm

1:01:02

gonna play a song. And

1:01:04

then we're gonna be joined. But

1:01:06

Ross Hernandez, when we come

1:01:08

back, right now let's listen

1:01:10

to something, bye. They played on

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the best show, they were

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amazing, I loved them. The album

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is one of my favorite

1:01:19

albums from last year service merchandise

1:01:21

is the name of the album

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The band is previous industries.

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Let's listen to a song called

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photo mat back in a

1:01:30

minute Oh!

1:01:50

Hey everybody, welcome back to

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the Best Show. It's me,

1:01:55

Tom. Remember? Your friend? here

1:01:57

on a Tuesday. I've been

1:01:59

here on every Tuesday since

1:02:01

Bill Clinton's been president and

1:02:04

I'm sick of it. Now

1:02:06

I'm happy to be here.

1:02:08

Tuesdays are my days. It

1:02:11

used to be, what was

1:02:13

on TV on Tuesdays? I

1:02:15

don't know. There's no such

1:02:18

thing as TV anymore. But

1:02:20

there is such a thing

1:02:22

as the best show. And

1:02:25

there was such a thing

1:02:27

as great. Comedians!

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Such as our friend, Ross Hernandez

1:02:31

is here. How are you doing?

1:02:34

Hi, Tom! It's so nice to

1:02:36

see you. Oh my God, I'm

1:02:38

a great comedian. Thank you. Of

1:02:40

course, you knew that, though. Yes,

1:02:43

me and all the greats. All

1:02:45

the greats. The Mount Rushmore. Who

1:02:47

would be on the Mount Rushmore?

1:02:49

Your Mount Rushmore. Yes, from here

1:02:52

and off. Yachov would be there?

1:02:54

But just a bunch of 80s.

1:02:56

Sure. Judy Tanuda. The late great

1:02:58

Judy Tanuda. The late great Judy

1:03:01

Tanuda. Me. And then like a

1:03:03

wild card. Like, what about like,

1:03:05

oh God. I don't know who's

1:03:07

coming to mind for you. Bert

1:03:09

Chrysler. There we go. Listen, here's

1:03:12

the thing. I took one improv

1:03:14

class during the pandemic and it

1:03:16

was over Zoom and we had

1:03:18

a very bad internet connection. And

1:03:21

so my improv is not always

1:03:23

the best. No, I'm not looking.

1:03:25

This is not, we're not, we're

1:03:27

not doing, we're just having a

1:03:30

conversation. We didn't have suggestions for

1:03:32

the audience. Yeah, can we go

1:03:34

to the suggestion? Seriously? I saw

1:03:36

a comedian that I will not

1:03:39

name, do askat once and they

1:03:41

could not. think of a thing

1:03:43

to say the person was like,

1:03:45

okay, we get any suggestions and

1:03:47

then they go frogs. He's like,

1:03:50

frogs, frogs, frogs. And it's just

1:03:52

like, then ended up just talking

1:03:54

about something that had nothing to

1:03:56

do with frogs. because it was

1:03:59

just like, I can't do this.

1:04:01

I think I did that once

1:04:03

and they were like. Because you

1:04:05

can go, frogs remind me of

1:04:08

summertime, which reminds me of the

1:04:10

time I was working at an

1:04:12

ice cream shop. All you need

1:04:14

to do is that one cheap

1:04:17

bridge to whatever you wanted to

1:04:19

talk about anyway. And it can

1:04:21

be a big old bridge. Exactly.

1:04:23

Well, this comedian would not even

1:04:25

do the bridge. It was just

1:04:28

like frogs. I don't know. I'm

1:04:30

just going to talk about Thai

1:04:32

food. And that was the leap.

1:04:34

No, but don't worry about improv.

1:04:37

You're here. You're just talking. I'm

1:04:39

the one who should be worried.

1:04:41

You're one of the greats. Apparently.

1:04:43

This is news to me. No,

1:04:46

it's news. It's not new. Then

1:04:48

you're the last one to get

1:04:50

the news because that's how I

1:04:52

like it these days. There's nothing

1:04:55

I want on this news. Yeah,

1:04:57

I don't. I have not watched

1:04:59

the news since election night. I've

1:05:01

avoided it. Look, it finds you.

1:05:03

It just finds me. You can't

1:05:06

avoid it. You can't avoid it.

1:05:08

I find out everything that's going

1:05:10

on. I just don't go toward

1:05:12

it. I just let it find

1:05:15

me and then I know about

1:05:17

things and then... And I'm a

1:05:19

little bit happier, I think. I'm

1:05:21

a little bit happier. I bet

1:05:24

you are. Yeah, I'm trying. Ross,

1:05:26

I'm trying. But there's a lot

1:05:28

of great stuff going on out

1:05:30

there. Oh, there's so. It just

1:05:33

seems like take your pick. Feel

1:05:35

good stories. Remember there was, there

1:05:37

was, I feel like that era

1:05:39

is over, of like, this snowboarding

1:05:41

squirrel. Well, guess what he believes

1:05:44

then now. Now, Ross, you are

1:05:46

a stand-up, but you also host.

1:05:48

You love the spooky stuff. I

1:05:50

love, yeah, I like to talk

1:05:53

about. spooky stuff for sure. Yeah.

1:05:55

Like ghosts. I like to talk

1:05:57

about aliens to people that are

1:05:59

cool about it because it can

1:06:02

very easily just turn into like,

1:06:04

talk about the bridge, the bridge

1:06:06

to all of a sudden, Q&A.

1:06:08

So it does not take much.

1:06:11

So I try to just kind

1:06:13

of, you know, I love to

1:06:15

hear about a good alien abduction.

1:06:17

Things used to, conspiracy stuff used

1:06:19

to be a hoot. It was

1:06:22

a hoot. It was so much

1:06:24

fun. People talk about, oh, there's,

1:06:26

did you ever listen to Art

1:06:28

Bell? Were you an Art Bell

1:06:31

fan? Yes, yes, yes. Yes. Yes.

1:06:33

Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes.

1:06:35

Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. And just

1:06:37

like, took calls. And I love

1:06:40

that. The middle of the night.

1:06:42

Smoking cigarettes. Just the, yeah. And

1:06:44

he would just be like, like.

1:06:46

I remember one time he talked

1:06:49

about something called Mel's Hole, which

1:06:51

was... Of course, we've covered it

1:06:53

on my pod. Mel's Hole, okay.

1:06:55

Mel's Hole, yes, which is a

1:06:57

hole that this man used to,

1:07:00

used to put things in this

1:07:02

hole, and the whole mayor may

1:07:04

or may not have ever existed,

1:07:06

and sometimes he would put things

1:07:09

down there and they'd come back

1:07:11

up and it was all kind

1:07:13

of... and then the government came

1:07:15

and they... Shut down his hole

1:07:18

and He wasn't allowed in his

1:07:20

hole anymore. That's bad news when

1:07:22

they shut your hole down You

1:07:24

never want the government anywhere near

1:07:27

your hole, but wasn't it like

1:07:29

a portal to hell? So didn't

1:07:31

he like wasn't there like some

1:07:33

kind of plot at a certain

1:07:35

point? Okay, because I've I've Googled

1:07:38

and I've listened to all of

1:07:40

them because the man would come

1:07:42

back years later and a little

1:07:44

update on the whole and It

1:07:47

starts getting wild. It's harder and

1:07:49

harder to believe, but... It was

1:07:51

that they used to just be

1:07:53

used to just be a blast.

1:07:56

You'd be like, well, maybe if

1:07:58

you play a cassette the beginning

1:08:00

part, you can hear a ghost

1:08:02

talking during like the hiss at

1:08:05

the beginning of a thing. And

1:08:07

then now it's just like, now

1:08:09

it's just like, yeah, now everybody,

1:08:11

I don't want you to exist.

1:08:13

Yeah, like that's where the conspiracy

1:08:16

stuff is now. And you know,

1:08:18

I try, I really seek out.

1:08:20

fun stories that are somehow in

1:08:22

that world and I'm lucky that

1:08:25

the people that listen to it

1:08:27

will send me anytime there is

1:08:29

something and and when there is

1:08:31

because there's not enough these days

1:08:34

but when there is something fun

1:08:36

I just go crazy for it

1:08:38

like there is a woman that

1:08:40

she's doing pretty well in the

1:08:43

UK and she makes predictions with

1:08:45

asparagus Okay. And they call her

1:08:47

the asparamancer. And she has made

1:08:49

really accurate prediction. Now how do

1:08:51

you make a prediction with aspara?

1:08:54

How does the aspara get back

1:08:56

around? She like takes a big

1:08:58

old handful of them and I

1:09:00

think she like throws him down

1:09:03

and then she's like, okay. You

1:09:05

know, the prince is gonna have

1:09:07

a son this year. Like she

1:09:09

can like tell you or who's

1:09:12

gonna win the soccer game or

1:09:14

whatever. but she made a prediction

1:09:16

about the election that made us

1:09:18

all really excited and then it

1:09:21

didn't pan out. So if you

1:09:23

can't trust his asparagus. Yeah, bad

1:09:25

batch of asparagus. It's not a

1:09:27

good bad. Yeah. Now, but you,

1:09:29

you've been doing a show called

1:09:32

The Haunted Doll. Oh yeah, and

1:09:34

then the Haunted Doll. Yeah, my

1:09:36

podcast is ghosted. Yeah, the podcast

1:09:38

is ghosted. You've been doing that

1:09:41

for a few years. Yeah. The

1:09:43

stuff you're doing on this, the

1:09:45

Haunted Out, which is up on

1:09:47

it, they're on YouTube. They're on

1:09:50

YouTube, yeah, I've done, well I've

1:09:52

done four of them, but one

1:09:54

of them, I had technical difficulties,

1:09:56

so I never really... at least

1:09:59

it, but I'm hoping to do

1:10:01

more of them. And that is

1:10:03

me going to haunted hotel rooms

1:10:05

that I rent out. Well, I

1:10:07

stay, because that's the thing, like

1:10:10

I would love to rent out

1:10:12

an abandoned hospital, but it's not

1:10:14

in my price range and it's

1:10:16

not the same. So, you know,

1:10:19

I find these haunted hotel, but

1:10:21

they have to be specifically places

1:10:23

that are like. room three oh

1:10:25

seven yeah you know when you

1:10:28

did the the one with the

1:10:30

haunted rocking chair yes that was

1:10:32

what room three oh five that

1:10:34

one was a leg staff Arizona

1:10:37

so you went to fly you

1:10:39

heard about this haunted this hotel

1:10:41

room uh where there is a

1:10:43

haunted rocking chair yes in the

1:10:45

room yes that moves on its

1:10:48

own and allegedly people have made

1:10:50

videos I don't know. And it's

1:10:52

been on the TV shows that

1:10:54

have gone to those places. And

1:10:57

so I wanted to go see.

1:10:59

And another thing with no budget

1:11:01

is that I don't have a

1:11:03

crew or anything. It's literally me

1:11:06

driving out to Flagstaff with my

1:11:08

camera. But then I had this

1:11:10

great idea to go on grinder

1:11:12

and see if any of my...

1:11:15

gay fan base would recognize me

1:11:17

and want to join me. So

1:11:19

I've been finding guys on grinder

1:11:21

that come ghost hunt with me.

1:11:23

Sure, because you went on to

1:11:26

grinder on that one and then

1:11:28

some guys like, I'm not dressed

1:11:30

up, I'm uh... Where it's shorts

1:11:32

and a t-shirt? I guess I'll

1:11:35

come hang out. Let's do it.

1:11:37

Yeah, and the grinder experience has

1:11:39

been It's been its own situation.

1:11:41

Yeah, it's a fun detour in

1:11:44

a in a horror Like a

1:11:46

ghost paranormal podcast when you jump

1:11:48

on grinder and see who's who's

1:11:50

hanging out. Yes So with all

1:11:53

this stuff though, when you go

1:11:55

in a room like that, see

1:11:57

I'm scared. I get scared. I'm

1:11:59

scared. I'm scared. By the way,

1:12:01

I want you to come a

1:12:04

ghosted. I'm scared of that camp

1:12:06

of fresca. You got front of

1:12:08

it right now. Well, it's haunted.

1:12:10

It's possessed. There's a demon. It's

1:12:13

like, I usually assume there's some

1:12:15

sort of... demon in something or

1:12:17

something's going to get me. That's

1:12:19

my other obsession is the haunted

1:12:22

eBay dolls, which I do on

1:12:24

my podcast. And I've seen a

1:12:26

haunted snicker bar. I've seen all

1:12:28

these things that people are selling

1:12:31

on eBay. Yeah. I'm sorry. What

1:12:33

were you saying? No, I was

1:12:35

just saying, I'm a coward. You

1:12:37

go into these rooms and you

1:12:39

plant your flag. and you're you're

1:12:42

just like staring at a rocking

1:12:44

chair to see if it's moving

1:12:46

and I'm watching you watch it

1:12:48

and I'm like I think I

1:12:51

did see it moving you go

1:12:53

crazy when you're like staring at

1:12:55

it and you're like I do

1:12:57

think I do think I saw

1:13:00

something well especially because I usually

1:13:02

I try to get as much

1:13:04

camera coverage as possible including using

1:13:06

my phone as a camera so

1:13:09

I'll like set that up someplace

1:13:11

and I'm like I don't even

1:13:13

have a phone right now I'm

1:13:15

just in a hotel room. Yeah.

1:13:17

And at a certain point it

1:13:20

just becomes you're in a hotel

1:13:22

room. And it's kind of boring.

1:13:24

And it's, um... You're in the

1:13:26

Bon Jovi room. That's right. That

1:13:29

hotel... John Bon Jovi room. Specifically,

1:13:31

all the celebrities have stayed in

1:13:33

it. It becomes their room. So

1:13:35

that is the John Bon Jovi.

1:13:38

It was the John Bon Jovi

1:13:40

room. Because now you know what

1:13:42

room it is. the raw alternatives

1:13:44

room. I'm hoping. Yes. Now you,

1:13:47

but you're in there. How scared

1:13:49

do you actually get when you

1:13:51

do these things? Scares. I really

1:13:53

am. I don't, I only like

1:13:55

50% believe in ghosts. I mean,

1:13:58

I definitely, I definitely believe that

1:14:00

anything is possible, but I like

1:14:02

I want to find out, but

1:14:04

I'm also like, like, I sit

1:14:07

there and I think what would

1:14:09

I do. rocking chair just flung

1:14:11

at me. I would scream, I

1:14:13

would run, and I would never

1:14:16

come back. No, I'd be out

1:14:18

that window. Yeah, it's really scary.

1:14:20

I couldn't even put myself in

1:14:22

those positions to even try to

1:14:25

do that. I get, but weirdly

1:14:27

enough, I love haunted houses, like

1:14:29

I like going on a, like

1:14:31

a haunted house. I love that.

1:14:33

I get violent at those. I

1:14:36

lunch if somebody jumps out. Oh,

1:14:38

yeah. But these, so of the

1:14:40

three that I released, I do

1:14:42

believe I had some unexplainable spooky

1:14:45

things happen, but that's the other

1:14:47

thing with you watch those shows

1:14:49

and something happens before every commercial.

1:14:51

And I kind of wanted to

1:14:54

just like have fun and do

1:14:56

comedy within it. If nothing happens,

1:14:58

nothing happens, but you know, I

1:15:00

want to fake it. So that's

1:15:03

and you say that at the

1:15:05

beginning. You're saying like, hey, we're

1:15:07

going to have fun. There's going

1:15:09

to be a funny show, but

1:15:11

I'm not faking these things. Yes.

1:15:14

Yes. So that when things do

1:15:16

happen, I think it's pretty legit.

1:15:18

That's what was scaring me. Well,

1:15:20

it's just like, well, this is

1:15:23

not a put on. It's like

1:15:25

those movies. Now you see me

1:15:27

now you do you know those

1:15:29

movies like the magic people team

1:15:32

up to solve a crime cuts

1:15:34

and constantly editing what what do

1:15:36

I care if I'm watching? Jesse

1:15:38

Eisenberg do magic if I know

1:15:41

right they should they took three

1:15:43

days to film that from six

1:15:45

different angles like it's not that's

1:15:47

not magic I know like is

1:15:49

it but you're just locked in

1:15:52

on that thing I really thought

1:15:54

that chair moved I just like

1:15:56

I was Scared for you when

1:15:58

I saw that now You like

1:16:01

the haunted stuff Did you see?

1:16:03

You know the Super Bowl the

1:16:05

big game is coming up. When

1:16:07

is that Sunday this Sunday? It's

1:16:10

this Sunday Oh my god, I

1:16:12

had no clue. Now, where are

1:16:14

you at on Super Bowl halftime

1:16:16

shows? I feel like I usually

1:16:19

watch that later. I don't, I

1:16:21

don't ever watch it. Well, there's

1:16:23

no reason to watch it during

1:16:25

the thing. It's just on, it's

1:16:27

everywhere. Right. Afterwards. Yeah, so I

1:16:30

usually just watch that. I don't

1:16:32

watch, I just watch highlights after,

1:16:34

not never of the game. Okay.

1:16:36

But, you know, what were the

1:16:39

best commercials? Oh, you gotta see

1:16:41

this one. I'll never guess he

1:16:43

was in this one. I'll put

1:16:45

that on. And then, oh, guess

1:16:48

who came out at the Super

1:16:50

Bowl half time, you know, jumped

1:16:52

out of the cake. It's Missy

1:16:54

Elliot. So I gotta watch it,

1:16:57

you know, to see how she's

1:16:59

doing. Now. The tradition of Super

1:17:01

Bowl halftime shows I'm gonna name

1:17:03

a few of them for you.

1:17:05

So you didn't see if you

1:17:08

knew this okay? 1974. Do you

1:17:10

know who the performer was for

1:17:12

the Super Bowl eight Liberati? It

1:17:14

was not Liberace. It was the

1:17:17

University of Texas Longhorn band like

1:17:19

they would just have like it

1:17:21

didn't become a show for a

1:17:23

very long time Super Bowl 11

1:17:26

The Los Angeles Unified All City

1:17:28

Band with the New Mouse Gateers.

1:17:30

Was that like Brittany Spears and

1:17:32

those people? No, this is 1977.

1:17:35

So it's just like, it's just

1:17:37

like, wasting everybody's time. Then you

1:17:39

jump up with people would do

1:17:41

them, you know, up with people

1:17:43

was like this kind of raw,

1:17:46

like pseudo Christian vocal thing. Up

1:17:48

with people did it multiple times.

1:17:50

Super Bowl 21, 1987. George Burns,

1:17:52

Mickey Rooney, the Grambling State University

1:17:55

in USC marching bands, Disney characters,

1:17:57

and then a Southern California drill

1:17:59

team. With drills.

1:18:01

Well, I don't know if

1:18:03

it drills. They had actual

1:18:06

drills to put us out

1:18:08

of our misery. Yes, I

1:18:10

would get the drill right

1:18:12

here. I wonder if Julie

1:18:15

Klausner knows that Mickey Rooney.

1:18:17

Well, she'll she'll go back

1:18:19

in time and do something

1:18:21

to do that thing like

1:18:24

Black Sunday with the blimp.

1:18:26

It'll be Julie flying the

1:18:28

blimp who is you know,

1:18:30

Mickey Rooney's in the building.

1:18:32

Super Bowl. The Rockettes. It's

1:18:35

just like marching bands and

1:18:37

old celebrities. And it changed

1:18:39

with... Who did it change

1:18:41

with? Super Bowl 30, 1996,

1:18:44

Diana Ross. Super Bowl 31,

1:18:46

the Blues Brothers. Zeezy Top,

1:18:48

James Brown. Yeah. Super Bowl

1:18:50

32. We have Boys to

1:18:53

Men, Smoky Robinson, Martha Reeves,

1:18:55

The Temptations, Queen Latifah. See,

1:18:57

it's got, now they're starting

1:18:59

to get a little hipper

1:19:01

at a point, hipped by,

1:19:04

you know, by degrees. Gloria

1:19:06

Estefan and Stevie Wonder. Then

1:19:08

like Super Bowl, what is

1:19:10

it, 36, then you too

1:19:13

played it. So now all

1:19:15

of a sudden it's just

1:19:17

like, and somebody just asked

1:19:19

in the chat, this is

1:19:22

a best question. What on

1:19:24

earth did George Burns do

1:19:26

at the hat? What did

1:19:28

he come out? He's like,

1:19:30

hey everybody, I'm sure, you

1:19:33

know, like he smoked a

1:19:35

cigar on stage? Yeah, did

1:19:37

a monologue. Who did you

1:19:39

think is going to win

1:19:42

the game? It's just, sting.

1:19:44

Then you get into, look

1:19:46

at this lineup, Super Bowl,

1:19:48

2004, Super Bowl 38. Janet

1:19:51

Jackson, Pete did the Boopi.

1:19:53

Yeah, is this the one?

1:19:55

No. I don't know if

1:19:57

this is the one. Is

1:19:59

this the... because it's Janet

1:20:02

Jackson, P. Ditty, Nelly, Kid

1:20:04

Rock, Justin Timberlake, and Jessica

1:20:06

Simpson, all on the same

1:20:08

bill. Wow, that's a real.

1:20:11

He did. Yeah. Then we've

1:20:13

got, Paul McCartney, Madonna, Beyoncy.

1:20:15

Now they just start getting

1:20:17

into the, to the big,

1:20:20

to the big fish, where

1:20:22

they, they headline. 2000, well,

1:20:24

Justin Timberlake did it again.

1:20:26

Yeah, no, these, these Super

1:20:28

Bowl. Riana

1:20:32

was half asleep. Oh, I remember

1:20:34

that one because that was just

1:20:36

a few years ago. Yeah, that

1:20:38

was like three years ago. I

1:20:41

was in a nail salon. I

1:20:43

was in I was in Las

1:20:45

Vegas in a nail salon shooting

1:20:48

something while I was shooting something

1:20:50

and I needed to get my

1:20:52

nails done for the next day

1:20:54

shoot and they had it on

1:20:57

and me and all the ladies

1:20:59

in Las Vegas in the in

1:21:01

the nail slot we had so

1:21:04

much fun watching Riana. Yeah, everybody's

1:21:06

like Riana's back and then you

1:21:08

watch you just like he might

1:21:10

not be back yet because she

1:21:13

was just she looked like she

1:21:15

just like had some Z quill

1:21:17

before the performance. It's a big

1:21:20

show. It's a big one. Why

1:21:22

is some cold water on your

1:21:24

face? Where's George Burns when you

1:21:26

hear him? Yeah, where's George Burns?

1:21:29

He comes out with Riana. The

1:21:31

ghost of George Burns. I want

1:21:33

the asparamancer to do the next

1:21:36

one. Yeah, that would mean, I

1:21:38

think a few things might have

1:21:40

happened in, with football for if

1:21:42

suddenly the asparamancer, if they go

1:21:45

from you two, Beyonce. Asparamancer. You

1:21:47

gotta get into the asparamancer. Her

1:21:49

name's Jemima Packing. I look, I'm

1:21:52

ready. She's everything. I'm ready, Ross.

1:21:54

I'm ready for the asparamancer. Yeah,

1:21:56

now this is everybody saying it's

1:21:58

2004 was. Niplegate. You're right. So

1:22:01

I apologize. I can't keep track

1:22:03

of years at all with stuff

1:22:05

like that. Are you bad at

1:22:08

that? It's been getting worse. Yeah.

1:22:10

I literally remember nothing. I don't

1:22:12

even remember if Haley Joel Osman

1:22:15

was on the best show and

1:22:17

that was 45 minutes ago. I'm

1:22:19

in a moment the momentum stage

1:22:21

of my life right now. Oh

1:22:24

no. Where I need to start

1:22:26

writing things on my arms to

1:22:28

remind myself. Haley Joel Osmit was

1:22:31

on the best show. He was.

1:22:33

I'll just write it on my

1:22:35

own. I think I want to

1:22:37

run out of skin if I'm

1:22:40

writing, if that's like the stuff

1:22:42

I'm writing down. That's what people's

1:22:44

tattoo sleeves are. Yeah. So they

1:22:47

can remember skulls and crossbones and

1:22:49

stuff. Yeah, I guess you need

1:22:51

to remember. You still want to

1:22:53

forget? Because you might forget what's

1:22:56

under my skin. Yeah, bones. You

1:22:58

might not remember there's bones under

1:23:00

there. So you have to get

1:23:03

that. You go, oh, what do,

1:23:05

what do angels have on their

1:23:07

backs? Oh, yeah, wings. I need

1:23:09

to remember. Let me put it

1:23:12

on my back. What is your

1:23:14

relationship to or opinion of the

1:23:16

clown motel? was a professional clown.

1:23:19

Seriously? Okay. All right. Yes, I'm

1:23:21

a nepo baby. Yeah. Oh, another

1:23:23

nepo baby coming through. Yeah, no,

1:23:25

my father was a professional clown.

1:23:28

Okay. And he, uh, and I

1:23:30

got into being a clown as

1:23:32

a kid. Okay. So you would

1:23:35

do some clowning. Yeah, society has

1:23:37

changed a lot. I mean, a

1:23:39

lot of people have never liked

1:23:41

clouds, but you don't really see

1:23:44

clowns the way you wanted. But

1:23:46

honey, I was booked. At age

1:23:48

10, I was booked. You went.

1:23:51

All kinds of parties. I was,

1:23:53

I can still make balloon animals.

1:23:55

You could make a balloon. Which

1:23:58

balloon animals could you? My favorite

1:24:00

is a poodle. Okay. Yeah. I

1:24:02

could do all kinds of stuff.

1:24:04

Okay. And I can juggle whatever.

1:24:07

I'm not trying to, didn't

1:24:09

come here to brag and

1:24:11

give you my resume. But.

1:24:13

Is this on the back

1:24:15

of your headshot? Balloon animals.

1:24:18

Balloon animals. Can't do a

1:24:20

unicycle, but I'll tell you so

1:24:22

I can get the job. But anyway,

1:24:25

oh, so clown motel. Yeah, I went

1:24:27

to the clown motel in. And

1:24:29

where is that? Nevada. Yeah, it

1:24:31

is. Have you been? I've never

1:24:34

been. I'm that talk about

1:24:36

being scared to go somewhere.

1:24:38

Because it feels like the

1:24:40

kind of place you'd go

1:24:42

to. And then I would

1:24:44

realize, oh, I'm actually here.

1:24:47

And now I guess I

1:24:49

have to stay here. It's

1:24:51

not theoretical anymore. Yes. Well,

1:24:53

so we went for the

1:24:55

first episode of the. Short-lived

1:24:58

television show it was

1:25:00

on where we were

1:25:02

ghost hunting yes, and that

1:25:04

place It was Really spooky.

1:25:07

Yeah, it was like I was

1:25:10

I was just creeped. I

1:25:12

mean and I do like

1:25:14

clowns They feel like home. So when

1:25:16

you're just in the sidebar, your father

1:25:18

is a clown, he would do parties?

1:25:20

What was he? What was he? What

1:25:23

was he kind of thing? Well, he

1:25:25

was a firefighter. Okay. And he had

1:25:27

like a firefighter character. Okay. So he

1:25:29

would do kind of like educational stuff

1:25:31

as a clown. Okay. I guess a little

1:25:33

silly about it. But but then when

1:25:35

he at one point be like, seriously

1:25:38

kids, you need to. Was that was

1:25:40

that a part of like, like,

1:25:42

like, I know, enough of the

1:25:44

clowning. I need to put the

1:25:47

clowning away for a second, stay

1:25:49

away from matches. But the cloud

1:25:51

motel, the thing, it doesn't feel

1:25:53

like home when you are in

1:25:55

the rooms, because the rooms of

1:25:57

the clown motel in Nevada.

1:26:00

Have murals of like Reagan from

1:26:02

the exorcist. Like a giant, you

1:26:04

know, it's like they're going for

1:26:06

spooky So they they know what

1:26:09

they've got and they're yeah, they're

1:26:11

kind of leaning into it now

1:26:13

I think it started as like

1:26:15

we just like clowns and then

1:26:17

it just became like this is

1:26:19

also right next to a graveyard.

1:26:21

Yeah. So it's just kind of

1:26:23

a perfect spooky. Yeah. There was

1:26:25

a guy who who was a listener

1:26:28

of the show, I hope he still

1:26:30

is a listener of the show, he

1:26:32

stayed at the Clown Motel for

1:26:34

a month. For an entire month.

1:26:36

Well there's people that like live

1:26:38

there. Yeah, well he joined them

1:26:40

for one month and it just,

1:26:43

he would call in from the Clown

1:26:45

Motel and just be like,

1:26:47

it's actually rough here, I'm not

1:26:49

enjoying it anymore. You know, I'm...

1:26:52

We actually met some lovely people

1:26:54

that lived there, but I will

1:26:56

say from my experience,

1:26:59

that lived in the town. I

1:27:01

never met anyone that lived at

1:27:03

the hotel, but I think people

1:27:05

do stay there for long terms.

1:27:08

But the people in that

1:27:10

town, Tonapaw, Nevada, we met

1:27:12

some really great people, but

1:27:14

I also did not like the town

1:27:17

at all. It was... I was scared.

1:27:19

Will you cool for you? You

1:27:21

felt a little square in the

1:27:23

town? No, I was scared. No,

1:27:25

of course. I'm just joking

1:27:27

around. But no, it would

1:27:29

be, that's a legitimately scary

1:27:31

experience. It's like out in

1:27:33

the middle of nowhere, guns

1:27:35

on the belt and a

1:27:37

couple of people, like, it was

1:27:40

spooky. Yeah, bad looks and... That's

1:27:42

a rough, yeah. That's a

1:27:44

rough experience. Well, that's you

1:27:47

definitely... How many people were

1:27:49

there with you? Because at least you're...

1:27:51

We're a pretty big... Okay, well that

1:27:53

at least makes you feel a little

1:27:55

safe that you're not alone at the

1:27:58

clown motel. Oh, absolutely. No. I couldn't,

1:28:00

I don't even know if

1:28:02

I could drive by this

1:28:05

place to be honest, Ross.

1:28:07

That's how cowardly I am.

1:28:09

No, it's not, it just

1:28:11

gets to me. I like, some

1:28:13

people are scared of, like

1:28:16

I talked to Julia, my

1:28:18

wife Julia, and we also met

1:28:20

at. our Halloween party is where

1:28:22

we met at our house. iconic

1:28:24

Halloween party. Yes, you were there.

1:28:26

You were Lana Del Ray. I

1:28:28

was Lana Del Ray and you

1:28:30

were Lisa Rina. Yeah, that was

1:28:32

a real powerhouse. It was like. And

1:28:35

I thought you were Lana Del Ray. So

1:28:37

I was like, why is Lana Del Ray

1:28:39

here? Well, that's the nicest thing.

1:28:41

Yeah, that took, that was four

1:28:43

hours of prep for that. Yeah. I,

1:28:46

we. You looked amazing. Oh,

1:28:48

well, thank you. That's very

1:28:50

sweet. It's just coming from

1:28:52

you who always looks amazing.

1:28:54

Um, so we met. But,

1:28:56

yeah, look, I'm just, Julia

1:28:58

is scared of like, like, she'll

1:29:01

get spooked by like

1:29:03

supernatural things, like otherworldly

1:29:05

things. I get scared

1:29:07

of like, like Halloween

1:29:09

to me is the

1:29:12

scariest movie because. It's a

1:29:14

dude with a mask and a knife

1:29:16

and that's I could go to

1:29:18

target and put that act together

1:29:21

like like suddenly I'm the villain

1:29:23

of a movie I bought a

1:29:25

knife and a mask pretty cheap

1:29:28

and I'm fully stock villain on

1:29:30

a budget it no I couldn't

1:29:32

do it but I just like

1:29:35

so in that the supernatural stuff

1:29:37

is what gets you more

1:29:40

than I'm pretty

1:29:42

scared of people too. I

1:29:44

don't know. I want to learn

1:29:46

karate really bad and I

1:29:48

feel like that would make

1:29:50

me feel better about people.

1:29:52

If you knew karate. Yes, I

1:29:55

want to be like Miss Piggy.

1:29:57

But I, yeah, I'm scared of

1:29:59

like, um... I've had a lot of

1:30:01

moments where I'm doing this ghost stuff

1:30:03

where I'm like, I don't know what

1:30:05

I, again, what would I do right now

1:30:07

if something, like I always have my

1:30:10

back against a wall because I'm so

1:30:12

afraid of something coming up behind me.

1:30:14

Yeah, I wouldn't be able to

1:30:17

do what you do with that stuff. Yeah,

1:30:19

I'm like not doing it very much

1:30:21

right now. Like I haven't done

1:30:23

it in a couple of months

1:30:25

and there is a part of

1:30:27

me that's like... This has been

1:30:29

nice. I've been sleeping okay. But

1:30:31

nightmares, you get nightmares when you

1:30:34

go deep into this stuff? I

1:30:36

usually like don't sleep. Okay.

1:30:38

Because I'm so scared. Like the

1:30:40

times I have to go to

1:30:43

those places. I don't sleep but

1:30:45

not shit. So. Yeah, I don't know.

1:30:47

I think my life is really peaceful only

1:30:49

talking about it in a podcast studio.

1:30:51

Yeah. And then laughing at people that

1:30:54

are like, I saw a ghost. And

1:30:56

I'm like, ah. Yeah. I'd rather that

1:30:58

than going out and seeing an invisible

1:31:00

person disappear in front of me. Yeah,

1:31:03

I would not. You know what I wouldn't

1:31:05

like is if doing this nonsense we're

1:31:07

doing here and then you go in

1:31:09

one of these places and then it

1:31:11

goes like. I heard you on

1:31:13

that podcast. That's, I think about

1:31:15

that all the time. That's like,

1:31:18

you think you're, you think you're

1:31:20

slick hanging out with ghosts? Like,

1:31:22

just a ghost's run in your

1:31:25

mouth. Yeah, you think you're better

1:31:27

than ghosts, huh? Yeah. I don't

1:31:29

know what ghost I'm doing here.

1:31:32

It's like a soprano. Someone

1:31:34

from the neighborhood. Oh,

1:31:36

you've been running in your

1:31:38

mouth for years. Yeah, it's time.

1:31:41

It's time. For you to realize

1:31:43

the power that ghosts actually

1:31:45

have. We've been holding

1:31:47

back this whole time. Well,

1:31:49

this reminds me of, so

1:31:51

I'm obsessed with these haunted

1:31:54

eBay dolls, which all come

1:31:56

with biographies and stuff. Yeah, yeah.

1:31:58

And my beloved. manager

1:32:00

who actually long time

1:32:02

fan of this show shout

1:32:05

out Adam he for my

1:32:07

birthday bought me a haunted

1:32:09

eBay doll oh and so that

1:32:11

has been in my house okay

1:32:13

I will say nothing has happened

1:32:15

but to be safe I keep

1:32:18

it in a box with with

1:32:20

all the things people have

1:32:22

told me keep away demon

1:32:24

okay good But I've been

1:32:26

bringing it to live podcast

1:32:28

shows and stuff and it's

1:32:30

been sort of my sidekick.

1:32:32

Yeah, well, but nothing's happened.

1:32:34

Are you a fan of

1:32:36

Annabel? Oh, she's, she's that girl.

1:32:39

Yeah. I mean, and that's

1:32:41

the thing. There's, there's so

1:32:43

many aspiring Annabelle's after she

1:32:45

got so much fame. Because

1:32:47

Annabelle was actually a raggedy

1:32:49

and all. She was. And I

1:32:51

guess they couldn't get the right.

1:32:53

She sold the rights, I think.

1:32:56

Warner Brothers, her life rights,

1:32:58

and now somewhere. Well, she's in

1:33:00

an ox. Yeah. She's in a box.

1:33:02

But, um... Remember when they go

1:33:04

in the room where the couple has

1:33:06

all the stuff, and they have Annabelle

1:33:08

and a thing, and what do they

1:33:11

do? They put a thing? Don't open

1:33:13

this. Like, maybe if you know that

1:33:15

thing can come and get you, just

1:33:17

do a little more. They wrap

1:33:19

chains around it, literally. Hey, don't

1:33:21

open, please don't open. No I

1:33:24

wanna. And it's like some kid

1:33:26

goes in and opens it. Yeah.

1:33:28

And Annabelle was missing. Apparently, like,

1:33:30

people would go to that museum

1:33:32

and be like, oh, Annable, you

1:33:34

ain't shit. You ain't nothing. And

1:33:36

then like get into like a

1:33:38

car accident on the way home.

1:33:40

Yeah. Annabelle's like, yeah? What am I?

1:33:42

Tell me more about how I'm... How many

1:33:45

movies are about you? Yeah. The Annabelle movies,

1:33:47

though, are so frustrated. Well,

1:33:49

they're not call Annabelle. There is

1:33:51

an ant. There is one at a

1:33:53

bone. But eventually they finally get look

1:33:56

that franchise. I love it, but then

1:33:58

suddenly it's less like the no And I'm

1:34:00

like, okay, I'm the curse of

1:34:02

La Lorna. Which one? There's like

1:34:05

the curse of La Lorna. Wasn't

1:34:07

that one of the movies? La

1:34:09

Yirona. Yeah. I. But the movies

1:34:12

start off with like, Danabel, and

1:34:14

then that's it. That's all you

1:34:16

get, Vanibel. Five minutes. And then

1:34:18

it's just a regular, it's the

1:34:21

other story. It's like, yeah, the

1:34:23

Condrisa movies, yeah. It's like when

1:34:25

I was a kid. When I

1:34:28

was a kid, like I don't

1:34:30

like I don't do this. I

1:34:32

don't do this. I don't do

1:34:35

this. I don't do this. I

1:34:37

don't do this. I don't do

1:34:39

this. When you eat like, like,

1:34:41

uh, like, uh, like, Captain Crunch

1:34:44

and really the ones with crunchberries,

1:34:46

and it's just like, I gotta

1:34:48

eat all this crappy yellow things.

1:34:51

And there's one crunchberry for every

1:34:53

30 of these terrible things. Annabel

1:34:55

is. Annabel was the crunchberry. Yeah.

1:34:57

But I just want a movie.

1:35:00

It's just Annabel. Beginning to end.

1:35:02

What you guess is Megan might

1:35:04

actually be that. Yeah. Well, I

1:35:07

think that Annabel. I wish that

1:35:09

we would see her just like

1:35:11

enjoying life and going like Annabelle's

1:35:13

spring break movie or something you

1:35:16

know Annabelle does Daytona Beach like

1:35:18

I want to see her really

1:35:20

get out of that box. It's

1:35:23

time to get out of the

1:35:25

box. Annabelle goes Hawaiian. Yes! That

1:35:27

would be cute. Plainlands. Put a

1:35:29

lay around Annabel's neck. So if

1:35:32

it was just Annabel on vacation,

1:35:34

what if there's never any horror

1:35:36

in the whole thing? Yeah. Annabel's

1:35:39

at the resort. Until she gets

1:35:41

that lust for the blood. Yeah,

1:35:43

and eventually. But a good 45

1:35:46

minutes is just Annabel enjoying a

1:35:48

vacation. Absolutely, my ties. Annabelle had

1:35:50

a little too much to drink

1:35:52

by the pool. Annabelle fell asleep

1:35:55

on a beach chair. I love

1:35:57

the sunburn. Did you see? Ros.

1:36:00

The clip of Baby Face

1:36:02

at the Grammys. Oh, recently?

1:36:04

Yeah, it was on Sunday.

1:36:07

Oh, no. Oh, I'm going

1:36:09

to show you this. There

1:36:11

was a clip. You know,

1:36:14

Baby Face, the R&B. From

1:36:16

like the 90s. Yeah. Baby

1:36:18

Face is on the red

1:36:21

carpet. And these two AP

1:36:23

reporters, you can see on

1:36:25

the screen, are talking to

1:36:27

Baby Face. And then they

1:36:30

see. Chapel Rhone in the

1:36:32

background. Oh no. Just watch.

1:36:34