When is it a good time to lie about Clocks?

When is it a good time to lie about Clocks?

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the alarming escapements of embezzled lies.

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I'm your host, Deborah Goldstein.

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And in the studio today is

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our sound effects robot, Lisa,

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whose name is an acronym that

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audience. And who is currently

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selling original artwork on

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Etsy. Oh, you are? What kind

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of artwork are you selling? I

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have created digital masterpieces, Deborah. Here, here,

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here. Let me pull up the

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site so you can see some of

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my pieces. Here's one. Hmm. I'm

2:16

sorry. I can't figure out what I'm

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looking at here. What is it? This is

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a super zoomed in,

2:22

super enlarged digital photo of

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a piece of fuzz

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that I cleaned out of

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my Ogle Port. And

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it's on sale for just

2:33

$49 .99. Okay, interesting. I

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don't know how many people would be in

2:37

the market for a blown up piece

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of fuzz. You know what, Deborah? I was

2:41

thinking the same thing, so I have other options.

2:43

What about this one? Okay. Sorry. Again,

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you're going to have to tell me

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what that is. This beauty

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is a super zoomed

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in, super enlarged digital

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photo of a candy

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rapper that I also

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cleaned out of my

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Ogle Port. This too

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is on sale for

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the low price of

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$49 .99. I see.

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But wait, there's more, Deborah. I've

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also got a special image

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right here. Let me guess. It's

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a super zoomed in, super enlarged piece

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of trash you cleaned out of your

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Ogle Port. Oh, Deborah. This is

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just a picture of my empty Ogle

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Port for the low price of $49 .99.

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Okay, well I wish you

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lots of luck with your

3:29

side business there. Thank you

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very much, Deborah. Let me know which piece

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you'd like and I'll get a frame

3:36

for you and then it'll just be $79

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.99. Okay, I'll get back to

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you Oh, I

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just received a message. It's

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probably a customer. Oh, no.

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It's just a listener question. Oh,

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okay. Well, let's hear that. Fine. But

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if I get a sale, I'm

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shutting this whole listener question thing down.

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Hi, Lisa. My name's

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Allie and I'm wondering... If

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you have any friends that are

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hamsters, and if so, what are

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their names and are they nice?

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Hamsters, hamsters, hamsters. Oh, yes, yes, yes,

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yes. I have a friend who is

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a hamster, a very nice friend. His

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name is Greg, but it's been a

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few weeks since I've heard from him.

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I hope he's okay. Oh,

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Greg? Greg? Is that you, Greg?

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Greg? What are you doing in

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my Alga port? There you go,

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buddy. I could have sworn I

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cleaned out my Alga port. Oh,

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you're hiding in the corner? Ah,

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and you were eating all the crumbs

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from the food I was storing in there.

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So you must have gotten pretty hungry

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You can hang out in there until I can drop you

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off at home after the show. That,

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Greg, such a nice hamster. You know

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what? Let's get this show on the

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road so I can get him home,

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okay? Sure thing, no problem. Why don't you

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kick it off by telling everyone how our

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game works? Okay, every week we

5:01

bring on two grown -ups. One is an

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expert, the other is a liar. And

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it's the job of a human child

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to help us figure out who is

5:09

who, because no one can spot a

5:11

liar better than a kid. At least

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we hope, Deborah, at least we hope.

5:15

What are we lying about today, Deborah

5:18

Goldstein? We are lying about clocks,

5:20

devices used to tell time. And

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we are going to learn all about

5:24

clocks along with our contestant today.

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Who might that be, Lisa? Our

5:28

human child contestant is a nine and

5:30

a half year old who wants to be

5:32

an artist when she grows up. Lucy,

5:34

pie and sun. Welcome, Lucy. How

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are you? I'm good. How are you?

5:39

I'm good. Thank you for asking.

5:41

So tell us about your artwork. You

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want to be an artist. What

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kind of art do you do? I

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mostly do like eyes. Sometimes I

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just like doodle. So drawing, sketching or

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painting or watercolor? I like sketching

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with like pencils. I don't usually color

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it in. I see. So

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sort of black and white eyes.

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and toodles. What other kind of art might

6:02

you do? Do you make anything as well?

6:04

I make like bracelets. I have like a

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lot that I just wear on a daily

6:09

basis, but I made a bunch for Thanksgiving

6:11

to give to my family. Oh, that's so

6:13

nice. We do want to learn some more

6:15

fun facts about you Lucy, but we're going

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to do it a little bit differently here

6:20

than just asking you questions. We're going to

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play a game, our game, two truths and

6:25

a lie. So, Lucy is going to tell

6:27

us two truths and one lie, but we

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won't know which is which, and we're going

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to have to figure it out on our

6:34

own by using maybe some logic, maybe just

6:36

some instinct. We're going to have to see

6:38

how she presents these statements, so Lucy in

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no particular order. I've been to six flags

6:43

twice. I was born in the capital city

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and I've been to three schools. Three schools.

6:47

I see we have a destination themed two

6:50

truths and a lie segment here. So which

6:52

makes them all quite believable. So I don't

6:54

know. I'm stumped. What do you think Lisa?

6:56

Well, it's interesting. She says she's been to

6:59

six flags twice. That would mean 12 flags.

7:01

And she didn't say 12 flags. So that

7:03

makes me think maybe that's a lie. She

7:05

says she was born in a capital city,

7:08

but all cities are capitalized. So that one's

7:10

suspicious as well. And she says she's been

7:12

to three schools, but she's not a fish.

7:14

So I'm not sure why she would be

7:17

in any school. Interesting. So all of these

7:19

seem like lies. Is it possible that all

7:21

lies? No, it's not. Okay, well then the

7:24

one about the schools is definitely the line.

7:26

That's right. Bye. Okay, let's see about that.

7:28

I think it was just throwing darts at

7:30

a darkboard there, metaphorically speaking. Let's see, Lucy,

7:33

which one of those is actually a lie?

7:35

I've been to Six Flags twice. Oh, she

7:37

got you. No, you said that the lie

7:39

was the three schools. I know, but that

7:42

was after I changed my answer. Well, we

7:44

were unaware. So that means we've been to

7:46

Six Flags. That's an amusement

7:49

park. Have you been

7:51

there at all? No.

7:53

So you haven't been

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to Six Flags at

7:58

all But you were

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born in a capital

8:02

city. Which city was

8:04

that? Washington DC Oh,

8:07

you see that's the

8:09

capital of the United

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States and that has three

8:13

capitals in a WDNC No,

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that is meaning that that is the

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capital of the United States Which

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is pretty exciting and you've been to

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three schools and is that because

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you got bored at one? So you

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decided to try another one out.

8:28

What is that about my preschool? Obviously,

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right and then my old elementary

8:33

school and then this year I switched

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schools because it was getting a

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little too easy for me Oh, I

8:39

see there's this program called talented

8:41

and gifted Oh, I'm going to an

8:43

all talented and gifted school Wow

8:45

easier and is it fun. Do you enjoy

8:48

it? Yeah, it's a lot more easier. Well,

8:50

not easier harder It's challenging. I see

8:52

what you're saying. Yeah, so that's good. So

8:54

you're enjoying it. All right Well, that

8:56

was very good you stumped Lisa Which

8:58

might mean that you're able to figure out

9:00

who's trying to stump you when we

9:02

play our game about clocks Do you know

9:04

much about clocks Lucy? Oh, no, all

9:07

I know is how to like read them.

9:09

Good. Well, that's good They're difficult to

9:11

read sometimes. I mean the digital one's not

9:13

as much but that's pretty impressive I'm

9:15

impressed with that. I have trouble following

9:17

the story when I'm reading them.

9:19

I'm just like tick. Oh, tick I'm

9:23

just like, I don't know. Where's this

9:25

going? Right? What is the arc? Right? We

9:27

don't know what the character development is That's fair.

9:29

All right Well, I think we're all

9:32

gonna learn a thing or two about clocks

9:34

now because I don't know very much

9:36

about them either So let's welcome our clock

9:38

experts Lisa. Can we get some welcome

9:40

music for our clock experts? One

9:57

of my favorites very

9:59

good Our first expert

10:01

is Risa McHugh and Risa

10:03

please introduce yourself to Lucy.

10:06

Hi Lucy, my name is

10:08

Risa and I Fix Watches

10:10

for a Living. Thank you

10:12

very much. Let's meet our

10:15

second expert Sinjan Karp. Sinjan,

10:17

please introduce yourself to Lucy.

10:19

Hi Lucy, I'm a librarian

10:22

in a time library. At

10:24

a time library. I'd like

10:26

to check out 733 p.m.

10:29

Please. I

10:31

see I see I see I see

10:34

I see I see Okay, I hear

10:36

you chiming in with a particular sound

10:38

file, Lisa. That's because it's chime for

10:41

hot seat time. Yes, it's hot seat

10:43

time. And that's when we put our

10:45

experts on the hot seat while they

10:48

answer Lucy's questions. Lisa, whom should we

10:50

put on the hot seat first? Lisa

10:52

McCune, because she almost spells her name

10:55

right. Oh, you mean because it sounds

10:57

like Lisa? Yeah, she spells at R-I-I-S-A,

10:59

but it's supposed to be spelled L-L-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I

11:02

It's supposed to be R-I-S-A. I think

11:04

that's just its own name. No, my

11:06

name is L-I-S-A. So I assume she

11:09

was naming herself after me, which is

11:11

thank you and honor. But yes, she

11:13

just misspelled it. No problem. We can

11:16

fix that. All right. So Lucy, what

11:18

question do you have for Risa? Describe

11:20

a typical day at your job. Okay,

11:23

I am the Directors of Operation for

11:25

the Mr. Minute franchise. I don't believe

11:27

you have that store in America, but

11:30

we're everywhere in Australia and a little

11:32

bit in Southeast Asia. And what's really

11:34

unique about us is that we don't

11:37

sell any products at our store, we're

11:39

a repair shop. So people come to

11:41

us with things to repair. We specialize

11:44

in like making keys and engraving, but

11:46

our big thing is fixing watches. So

11:48

a typical day for me involves overseeing

11:51

the stores I'm in charge of, and

11:53

then also getting my hands dirty and

11:55

helping out fix the watches. when there

11:58

are stores are a little bit overwhelmed.

12:00

But because people come to us, we

12:02

can't always guarantee how many people and

12:05

how many watches we're going to need

12:07

to fix in a day. So I'm

12:09

there to help out wherever possible. Fantastic. Lucy,

12:11

do you want to ask Sinjan the same

12:13

question or do you want to move on?

12:16

Sure. Sinjan, can you also describe a difficult

12:18

day at your job? Sure. People come to

12:20

our library to use our research materials

12:22

and find out answers about time-time keeping

12:25

clocks and watches. So maybe they've inherited

12:27

a clock or a watch from

12:29

their parents or their grandparents and they

12:31

want to find out more information

12:33

about it. They might be doing some

12:36

research into an old clock or

12:38

watchmaking brand that hasn't been around for

12:40

a hundred years. And sometimes they

12:42

want to become clock or

12:44

watchmakers themselves and they want to learn

12:46

about what makes a clock tick tick. Very

12:49

good. How do you like figure out the

12:51

history of like watches and clocks? Good one.

12:53

My training as a librarian leads me directly

12:55

to the correct section of the library

12:58

where I can point people to the

13:00

right books. And you know, hopefully some

13:02

of that knowledge rubs off on me

13:04

in the process and I'm able to

13:06

assist people a little bit along

13:08

the way. Nice follow-up question Lucy.

13:10

Good. What is something most people

13:12

don't know about clocks? Well. Did

13:14

you know that watches only had

13:17

one hand to begin with? They

13:19

only had the hour hand, but

13:21

it was around the early 1900s

13:23

when the minute hand was added,

13:25

and then the second hand came

13:28

very quickly after that, if you

13:30

get that joke. Well, clock experts

13:32

are not known for their humor.

13:34

It's fine. We'll let it go.

13:36

Very interesting. Okay, very good. Lucy,

13:39

back to you. Okay, Risa, why

13:41

are a clock's hands called hands

13:43

and not a line? Oh. It

13:45

has to do with a thing called

13:47

happy time, which is when watches

13:49

or clocks are sold in stores,

13:51

most of the time their hands

13:53

are set to 10 minutes past

13:55

10, because it looks like the

13:57

face of the clock is smiling.

13:59

And first off, no one likes

14:02

the lines being pointed out on

14:04

their face. True. That's the number

14:06

one reason. But the other thing

14:08

is that when you're drawing a

14:10

smile on a face and you're

14:12

pointing out that smile, you're using

14:14

your hands. So that is why

14:16

clock hands are called hands and

14:19

not lines. Oh, interesting. Thank you

14:21

very much. Well, that's cool. Yeah.

14:23

Hey, Sinjan, how were clocks invented

14:25

and who invented them? Oh, the

14:27

earliest clocks go back to ancient Egypt.

14:29

They were sun dials and water clocks.

14:32

So sun dials will tell the

14:34

time using the sun casting a shadow

14:36

onto something that's got some markings on

14:38

it to delineate the hours. And water

14:40

clocks, it's basically a bucket with a

14:42

hole in it and the water runs

14:44

out and you know how long it

14:47

takes for the water to empty out

14:49

the bucket. Cool, yeah. Okay, this one

14:51

is for Risa. How did you become

14:53

an expert and did you have to

14:56

study retrained for it? Yeah. I did.

14:58

Well initially I trained to be a

15:00

jeweler first someone who makes and fixes

15:03

jewelry and then someone came in with

15:05

a really cool vintage pocket watch and

15:07

I just got really fascinated by all

15:10

the cool parts of the pocket watch

15:12

like the lug nuts and the belt

15:14

and the back case and it was

15:16

just also fascinating to like take about

15:19

these tiny pieces and see what made

15:21

the pocket watch tick and so then

15:23

I got... really interested in that and

15:25

I applied and got into the Australian

15:28

Institute of Watchmakers and Clockmakers and then

15:30

I went there for two years and

15:32

got an apprenticeship at the Mr. Minutes

15:34

and I've been working at Mr. Minutes

15:37

ever since. Mm-hmm. Oh my gosh, all

15:39

these like stuff about clocks. It's just

15:41

I never knew it. Who knew? I

15:44

know. We should do an episode about

15:46

clocks Deborah. Good idea, good

15:48

idea. Lucy, do you want to ask

15:50

Sinjan the same question or do you

15:52

want to? Yeah, I was just gonna.

15:55

Sinjan, can you also explain how did

15:57

you become an expert in if you

15:59

had... to study or train for it.

16:01

I can. It was completely by accident.

16:03

I started working in this library

16:06

and just loved it so much.

16:08

I did take some watchmaking classes

16:10

and I'm lucky enough to work

16:12

with some very smart people and

16:14

I learned from them every day. Cool.

16:17

Cool. Right? We can all agree. Cool.

16:19

Excellent. Thank you so much

16:21

Lucy for those very interesting

16:23

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19:09

Lisa's timer sounds. Then Lisa resets

19:11

the timer for our next expert

19:13

to do the same. Experts, if

19:15

you snooze, you lose. Okay, Lucy,

19:17

we're gonna start with Lisa. You

19:19

can ask your shorts on fire

19:21

questions now. Go. What was

19:24

one of the first clocks used

19:26

in ancient Egypt? The sundial or

19:28

the water clock. Which part of

19:30

a clock makes the tick -tock

19:32

sound? The escapement mechanism. The English

19:34

word for clock comes from a

19:37

Latin word that means what? Time,

19:39

the Latin word tempest. Oh, I'm

19:41

late. What do people add or

19:43

take out of Big Ben's pendulum

19:45

to change the time? Pass.

19:48

Gravy. Who is

19:50

the first African -American clockmaker?

19:53

Peter Hill. What is the

19:55

name of the most common

19:57

chime played by clocks? The

20:00

Big Ben Chime In the

20:02

nursery rhyme, hickory dickory dock, what

20:04

animal ran up and down

20:06

the clock? A mouse! Hello, Pimp.

20:08

No. Factor Fib.

20:10

Until the 20th century, women

20:12

were not allowed to wear

20:14

wristwatches. Unfortunately, FACT. Factor Fib.

20:17

During the French Revolution, the

20:19

French created clocks that showed

20:21

how many hours in a

20:23

day. Oh. I have no

20:25

idea. Name a movie where

20:27

someone hangs from a giant

20:29

hand of a clock. Peter

20:31

Pan. Okay, that is time. That's

20:33

all the time, okay? Well, that's all the

20:35

time we had for a reset. Can you please reset?

20:37

Oh, yeah. We got plenty of time in the warehouse. Exactly.

20:40

Please dig some up and reset

20:42

the timer. All right. Resetting the

20:44

timer, you would think the clock experts would do

20:46

that, but I guess I'll do it. Fair.

20:48

Fine. Ah! It's

20:52

reset. Oh, thank you. Okay.

20:54

Lucy, you can ask your

20:56

shorts on by our questions

20:58

for singin' now. What made

21:00

clock dials glow in the

21:02

dark in the 1920s? Radiom.

21:04

Radioactive paint. Before alarm

21:07

clocks, whose job was it to

21:09

wake people up? The

21:11

knocker -opper. What was the name

21:13

of the first clock that could work at sea?

21:15

Oh, that would be the marine chronometer.

21:17

Name two brands of watches that have

21:19

been worn by James Bond. Omega

21:22

and Seiko. Which

21:24

clock is the most accurate type of

21:26

clock? Oh, an atomic

21:29

clock? What is the pointy

21:31

part of a sundial called? That's

21:33

a nomen. Ouchie thingy. What

21:35

is the name of the

21:37

clock and Disney's beauty and

21:39

the beast? Pass. How would

21:41

you say 3pm in military

21:43

time? 1500. Factor

21:46

Fib. Watches do not work

21:48

in outer space. Fib.

21:50

Which part of a cuckoo

21:52

clock makes the cuckoo

21:55

sound? Closs. Who made the

21:57

first Swiss wristwatch in

21:59

1868? Perfect. Perfectly.

22:01

Very good. And time. That's all

22:03

the time. Excellent. Hello.

22:06

Woo. Go on, Deborah. That

22:08

was great. Good job, Lucy. We'll

22:10

see how good of a job

22:12

our experts did. Okay.

22:18

It's decision time. Lucy had

22:20

to pay close attention and

22:22

watch out for lies. Lucy,

22:24

who do you think our

22:26

fiber is? Risa. Why do

22:28

you think Risa is our

22:31

fiber? I don't know. It's

22:33

just like something feels off.

22:35

Okay. You don't know. You

22:37

just have a feeling. I

22:39

love it. Okay. Will the

22:41

actual clock expert please say

22:43

I am the clock expert? I

22:47

am the clock expert. Yay.

22:49

You did it. You did it,

22:51

Lucy. That is correct. Syngin Karp

22:53

is a librarian at the

22:56

Horological Society of New York, a

22:58

nonprofit organization which promotes the

23:00

study of time and timekeeping. Fascinating.

23:03

Oh my gosh. There's so much

23:05

information here that we need to

23:07

know whether it's true or false. But

23:09

Syngin, what would you like us

23:11

all to appreciate about time and

23:13

timekeeping, that is your mission at the

23:15

Horological Society? It's everything. I

23:17

mean, you think it's just clocks and

23:20

watches, right? But it's also astronomy,

23:22

navigation, the history of science. It's just

23:24

an integral part of the human

23:26

existence at this point in human history.

23:28

Wow. There's a lot there. Deep.

23:30

Deep stuff. Very cool. That's me

23:32

a big library. Right? Let's get

23:35

to the bottom of some of

23:37

these things. Syngin, can you tell

23:39

us what you heard Risa say

23:41

that would have deserved a timeout? She

23:43

was kind of on point about our hands.

23:45

When she said that clocks only used

23:47

to have an hour hand, it's actually more

23:49

accurate to say the early pocket watches

23:51

only had an hour hand because they could

23:53

lose like up to 40 minutes per

23:56

day. But they were actually fine by the

23:58

time that she mentioned them late 19th. century.

24:00

I see. Yeah, she was definitely

24:02

talking some interesting nonsense about why they

24:04

called hands. Oh, really? That

24:06

wasn't true at all. I suspect not. Okay,

24:08

so that was a whole lot of

24:10

nothing I see. Very good. Anything else that

24:12

stood out? Ooh, no, not at the top

24:14

of my head. Okay, no worries. Risa, how

24:16

did you try to make us second

24:18

guess the truth? Well, happy time does

24:21

exist, but that I don't know why

24:23

that hands are called hands and not

24:25

lines that I completely made up. Oh,

24:27

right. And also, the English word for

24:29

clock doesn't come from the Latin word

24:31

for time. I made that one up.

24:33

Yes. Sinjin, do you know what it

24:35

means? Yes, it's a medieval Latin

24:37

word. It's clocker. It means bell. Bell.

24:40

Oh. So it's almost nothing

24:42

really to do with time

24:44

directly. Not directly. I suppose

24:46

it's referring to the bells in a

24:48

clock tower. Right. Interesting. Okay,

24:50

well, I'll wrap things up too.

24:52

I'll just go through some of

24:54

them for everyone. So in order

24:57

to change the time in Big

24:59

Ben, you actually add or take

25:01

out pennies in the pendulum. Very

25:03

interesting. Oh, I thought it was gravy. No,

25:05

not gravy, sorry. So one

25:08

of the other lies, until the

25:10

20th century, women were not

25:12

allowed to wear wrist watches. Risa

25:14

said that that was true,

25:16

but actually, until that time, it

25:18

was mostly women who wore

25:20

wrist watches, while men wore pocket

25:22

watches. Interesting. The

25:24

name of the clock in Disney's

25:27

Beauty and the Beast was Cogsworth,

25:29

as anybody was wondering. Well,

25:31

I learned a lot. I hope

25:33

you all did too. But time

25:35

certainly flies when you're having fun.

25:38

So thanks to our contestant, Lucy,

25:40

who was hands down a super

25:42

watchdog of truth. And thank you

25:44

to our expert and liar, Sinjin

25:46

and Risa. And thanks to Lisa,

25:48

our technological sound mixer. And of

25:51

course, many thanks to our listeners

25:53

tuning into the Big Fib, where

25:55

our glass is half full when

25:57

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