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I'm your host, Deborah Goldstein.
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And in the studio today is
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audience. And who is currently
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selling original artwork on
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Etsy. Oh, you are? What kind
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of artwork are you selling? I
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have created digital masterpieces, Deborah. Here, here,
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here. Let me pull up the
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site so you can see some of
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my pieces. Here's one. Hmm. I'm
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sorry. I can't figure out what I'm
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looking at here. What is it? This is
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a super zoomed in,
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super enlarged digital photo of
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a piece of fuzz
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that I cleaned out of
2:28
my Ogle Port. And
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it's on sale for just
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$49 .99. Okay, interesting. I
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don't know how many people would be in
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the market for a blown up piece
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of fuzz. You know what, Deborah? I was
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thinking the same thing, so I have other options.
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What about this one? Okay. Sorry. Again,
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you're going to have to tell me
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what that is. This beauty
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is a super zoomed
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in, super enlarged digital
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photo of a candy
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rapper that I also
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cleaned out of my
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Ogle Port. This too
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is on sale for
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the low price of
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$49 .99. I see.
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But wait, there's more, Deborah. I've
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also got a special image
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right here. Let me guess. It's
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a super zoomed in, super enlarged piece
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of trash you cleaned out of your
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Ogle Port. Oh, Deborah. This is
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just a picture of my empty Ogle
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Port for the low price of $49 .99.
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Okay, well I wish you
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lots of luck with your
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side business there. Thank you
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very much, Deborah. Let me know which piece
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you'd like and I'll get a frame
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for you and then it'll just be $79
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.99. Okay, I'll get back to
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you Oh, I
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just received a message. It's
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probably a customer. Oh, no.
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It's just a listener question. Oh,
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okay. Well, let's hear that. Fine. But
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if I get a sale, I'm
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shutting this whole listener question thing down.
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Hi, Lisa. My name's
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Allie and I'm wondering... If
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you have any friends that are
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hamsters, and if so, what are
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their names and are they nice?
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Hamsters, hamsters, hamsters. Oh, yes, yes, yes,
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yes. I have a friend who is
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a hamster, a very nice friend. His
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name is Greg, but it's been a
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few weeks since I've heard from him.
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I hope he's okay. Oh,
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Greg? Greg? Is that you, Greg?
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Greg? What are you doing in
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my Alga port? There you go,
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buddy. I could have sworn I
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cleaned out my Alga port. Oh,
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you're hiding in the corner? Ah,
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and you were eating all the crumbs
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from the food I was storing in there.
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So you must have gotten pretty hungry
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after I cleaned it out. Sure thing, buddy.
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You can hang out in there until I can drop you
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off at home after the show. That,
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Greg, such a nice hamster. You know
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what? Let's get this show on the
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road so I can get him home,
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okay? Sure thing, no problem. Why don't you
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kick it off by telling everyone how our
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game works? Okay, every week we
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bring on two grown -ups. One is an
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expert, the other is a liar. And
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it's the job of a human child
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to help us figure out who is
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who, because no one can spot a
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liar better than a kid. At least
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we hope, Deborah, at least we hope.
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What are we lying about today, Deborah
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Goldstein? We are lying about clocks,
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devices used to tell time. And
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we are going to learn all about
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clocks along with our contestant today.
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Who might that be, Lisa? Our
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human child contestant is a nine and
5:30
a half year old who wants to be
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an artist when she grows up. Lucy,
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pie and sun. Welcome, Lucy. How
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are you? I'm good. How are you?
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I'm good. Thank you for asking.
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So tell us about your artwork. You
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want to be an artist. What
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kind of art do you do? I
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mostly do like eyes. Sometimes I
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just like doodle. So drawing, sketching or
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painting or watercolor? I like sketching
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with like pencils. I don't usually color
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it in. I see. So
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sort of black and white eyes.
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and toodles. What other kind of art might
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you do? Do you make anything as well?
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I make like bracelets. I have like a
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lot that I just wear on a daily
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basis, but I made a bunch for Thanksgiving
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to give to my family. Oh, that's so
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nice. We do want to learn some more
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fun facts about you Lucy, but we're going
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to do it a little bit differently here
6:20
than just asking you questions. We're going to
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play a game, our game, two truths and
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a lie. So, Lucy is going to tell
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us two truths and one lie, but we
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won't know which is which, and we're going
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to have to figure it out on our
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own by using maybe some logic, maybe just
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some instinct. We're going to have to see
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how she presents these statements, so Lucy in
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no particular order. I've been to six flags
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twice. I was born in the capital city
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and I've been to three schools. Three schools.
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I see we have a destination themed two
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truths and a lie segment here. So which
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makes them all quite believable. So I don't
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know. I'm stumped. What do you think Lisa?
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Well, it's interesting. She says she's been to
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six flags twice. That would mean 12 flags.
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And she didn't say 12 flags. So that
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makes me think maybe that's a lie. She
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says she was born in a capital city,
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but all cities are capitalized. So that one's
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suspicious as well. And she says she's been
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to three schools, but she's not a fish.
7:14
So I'm not sure why she would be
7:17
in any school. Interesting. So all of these
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seem like lies. Is it possible that all
7:21
lies? No, it's not. Okay, well then the
7:24
one about the schools is definitely the line.
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That's right. Bye. Okay, let's see about that.
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I think it was just throwing darts at
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a darkboard there, metaphorically speaking. Let's see, Lucy,
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which one of those is actually a lie?
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I've been to Six Flags twice. Oh, she
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got you. No, you said that the lie
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was the three schools. I know, but that
7:42
was after I changed my answer. Well, we
7:44
were unaware. So that means we've been to
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Six Flags. That's an amusement
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park. Have you been
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there at all? No.
7:53
So you haven't been
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to Six Flags at
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all But you were
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born in a capital
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city. Which city was
8:04
that? Washington DC Oh,
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you see that's the
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capital of the United
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States and that has three
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capitals in a WDNC No,
8:16
that is meaning that that is the
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capital of the United States Which
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is pretty exciting and you've been to
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three schools and is that because
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you got bored at one? So you
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decided to try another one out.
8:28
What is that about my preschool? Obviously,
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right and then my old elementary
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school and then this year I switched
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schools because it was getting a
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little too easy for me Oh, I
8:39
see there's this program called talented
8:41
and gifted Oh, I'm going to an
8:43
all talented and gifted school Wow
8:45
easier and is it fun. Do you enjoy
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it? Yeah, it's a lot more easier. Well,
8:50
not easier harder It's challenging. I see
8:52
what you're saying. Yeah, so that's good. So
8:54
you're enjoying it. All right Well, that
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was very good you stumped Lisa Which
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might mean that you're able to figure out
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who's trying to stump you when we
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play our game about clocks Do you know
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much about clocks Lucy? Oh, no, all
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I know is how to like read them.
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Good. Well, that's good They're difficult to
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read sometimes. I mean the digital one's not
9:13
as much but that's pretty impressive I'm
9:15
impressed with that. I have trouble following
9:17
the story when I'm reading them.
9:19
I'm just like tick. Oh, tick I'm
9:23
just like, I don't know. Where's this
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going? Right? What is the arc? Right? We
9:27
don't know what the character development is That's fair.
9:29
All right Well, I think we're all
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gonna learn a thing or two about clocks
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now because I don't know very much
9:36
about them either So let's welcome our clock
9:38
experts Lisa. Can we get some welcome
9:40
music for our clock experts? One
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of my favorites very
9:59
good Our first expert
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is Risa McHugh and Risa
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please introduce yourself to Lucy.
10:06
Hi Lucy, my name is
10:08
Risa and I Fix Watches
10:10
for a Living. Thank you
10:12
very much. Let's meet our
10:15
second expert Sinjan Karp. Sinjan,
10:17
please introduce yourself to Lucy.
10:19
Hi Lucy, I'm a librarian
10:22
in a time library. At
10:24
a time library. I'd like
10:26
to check out 733 p.m.
10:29
Please. I
10:31
see I see I see I see
10:34
I see I see Okay, I hear
10:36
you chiming in with a particular sound
10:38
file, Lisa. That's because it's chime for
10:41
hot seat time. Yes, it's hot seat
10:43
time. And that's when we put our
10:45
experts on the hot seat while they
10:48
answer Lucy's questions. Lisa, whom should we
10:50
put on the hot seat first? Lisa
10:52
McCune, because she almost spells her name
10:55
right. Oh, you mean because it sounds
10:57
like Lisa? Yeah, she spells at R-I-I-S-A,
10:59
but it's supposed to be spelled L-L-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I
11:02
It's supposed to be R-I-S-A. I think
11:04
that's just its own name. No, my
11:06
name is L-I-S-A. So I assume she
11:09
was naming herself after me, which is
11:11
thank you and honor. But yes, she
11:13
just misspelled it. No problem. We can
11:16
fix that. All right. So Lucy, what
11:18
question do you have for Risa? Describe
11:20
a typical day at your job. Okay,
11:23
I am the Directors of Operation for
11:25
the Mr. Minute franchise. I don't believe
11:27
you have that store in America, but
11:30
we're everywhere in Australia and a little
11:32
bit in Southeast Asia. And what's really
11:34
unique about us is that we don't
11:37
sell any products at our store, we're
11:39
a repair shop. So people come to
11:41
us with things to repair. We specialize
11:44
in like making keys and engraving, but
11:46
our big thing is fixing watches. So
11:48
a typical day for me involves overseeing
11:51
the stores I'm in charge of, and
11:53
then also getting my hands dirty and
11:55
helping out fix the watches. when there
11:58
are stores are a little bit overwhelmed.
12:00
But because people come to us, we
12:02
can't always guarantee how many people and
12:05
how many watches we're going to need
12:07
to fix in a day. So I'm
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there to help out wherever possible. Fantastic. Lucy,
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do you want to ask Sinjan the same
12:13
question or do you want to move on?
12:16
Sure. Sinjan, can you also describe a difficult
12:18
day at your job? Sure. People come to
12:20
our library to use our research materials
12:22
and find out answers about time-time keeping
12:25
clocks and watches. So maybe they've inherited
12:27
a clock or a watch from
12:29
their parents or their grandparents and they
12:31
want to find out more information
12:33
about it. They might be doing some
12:36
research into an old clock or
12:38
watchmaking brand that hasn't been around for
12:40
a hundred years. And sometimes they
12:42
want to become clock or
12:44
watchmakers themselves and they want to learn
12:46
about what makes a clock tick tick. Very
12:49
good. How do you like figure out the
12:51
history of like watches and clocks? Good one.
12:53
My training as a librarian leads me directly
12:55
to the correct section of the library
12:58
where I can point people to the
13:00
right books. And you know, hopefully some
13:02
of that knowledge rubs off on me
13:04
in the process and I'm able to
13:06
assist people a little bit along
13:08
the way. Nice follow-up question Lucy.
13:10
Good. What is something most people
13:12
don't know about clocks? Well. Did
13:14
you know that watches only had
13:17
one hand to begin with? They
13:19
only had the hour hand, but
13:21
it was around the early 1900s
13:23
when the minute hand was added,
13:25
and then the second hand came
13:28
very quickly after that, if you
13:30
get that joke. Well, clock experts
13:32
are not known for their humor.
13:34
It's fine. We'll let it go.
13:36
Very interesting. Okay, very good. Lucy,
13:39
back to you. Okay, Risa, why
13:41
are a clock's hands called hands
13:43
and not a line? Oh. It
13:45
has to do with a thing called
13:47
happy time, which is when watches
13:49
or clocks are sold in stores,
13:51
most of the time their hands
13:53
are set to 10 minutes past
13:55
10, because it looks like the
13:57
face of the clock is smiling.
13:59
And first off, no one likes
14:02
the lines being pointed out on
14:04
their face. True. That's the number
14:06
one reason. But the other thing
14:08
is that when you're drawing a
14:10
smile on a face and you're
14:12
pointing out that smile, you're using
14:14
your hands. So that is why
14:16
clock hands are called hands and
14:19
not lines. Oh, interesting. Thank you
14:21
very much. Well, that's cool. Yeah.
14:23
Hey, Sinjan, how were clocks invented
14:25
and who invented them? Oh, the
14:27
earliest clocks go back to ancient Egypt.
14:29
They were sun dials and water clocks.
14:32
So sun dials will tell the
14:34
time using the sun casting a shadow
14:36
onto something that's got some markings on
14:38
it to delineate the hours. And water
14:40
clocks, it's basically a bucket with a
14:42
hole in it and the water runs
14:44
out and you know how long it
14:47
takes for the water to empty out
14:49
the bucket. Cool, yeah. Okay, this one
14:51
is for Risa. How did you become
14:53
an expert and did you have to
14:56
study retrained for it? Yeah. I did.
14:58
Well initially I trained to be a
15:00
jeweler first someone who makes and fixes
15:03
jewelry and then someone came in with
15:05
a really cool vintage pocket watch and
15:07
I just got really fascinated by all
15:10
the cool parts of the pocket watch
15:12
like the lug nuts and the belt
15:14
and the back case and it was
15:16
just also fascinating to like take about
15:19
these tiny pieces and see what made
15:21
the pocket watch tick and so then
15:23
I got... really interested in that and
15:25
I applied and got into the Australian
15:28
Institute of Watchmakers and Clockmakers and then
15:30
I went there for two years and
15:32
got an apprenticeship at the Mr. Minutes
15:34
and I've been working at Mr. Minutes
15:37
ever since. Mm-hmm. Oh my gosh, all
15:39
these like stuff about clocks. It's just
15:41
I never knew it. Who knew? I
15:44
know. We should do an episode about
15:46
clocks Deborah. Good idea, good
15:48
idea. Lucy, do you want to ask
15:50
Sinjan the same question or do you
15:52
want to? Yeah, I was just gonna.
15:55
Sinjan, can you also explain how did
15:57
you become an expert in if you
15:59
had... to study or train for it.
16:01
I can. It was completely by accident.
16:03
I started working in this library
16:06
and just loved it so much.
16:08
I did take some watchmaking classes
16:10
and I'm lucky enough to work
16:12
with some very smart people and
16:14
I learned from them every day. Cool.
16:17
Cool. Right? We can all agree. Cool.
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Excellent. Thank you so much
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Lucy for those very interesting
16:23
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19:00
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19:04
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19:17
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19:24
one of the first clocks used
19:26
in ancient Egypt? The sundial or
19:28
the water clock. Which part of
19:30
a clock makes the tick -tock
19:32
sound? The escapement mechanism. The English
19:34
word for clock comes from a
19:37
Latin word that means what? Time,
19:39
the Latin word tempest. Oh, I'm
19:41
late. What do people add or
19:43
take out of Big Ben's pendulum
19:45
to change the time? Pass.
19:48
Gravy. Who is
19:50
the first African -American clockmaker?
19:53
Peter Hill. What is the
19:55
name of the most common
19:57
chime played by clocks? The
20:00
Big Ben Chime In the
20:02
nursery rhyme, hickory dickory dock, what
20:04
animal ran up and down
20:06
the clock? A mouse! Hello, Pimp.
20:08
No. Factor Fib.
20:10
Until the 20th century, women
20:12
were not allowed to wear
20:14
wristwatches. Unfortunately, FACT. Factor Fib.
20:17
During the French Revolution, the
20:19
French created clocks that showed
20:21
how many hours in a
20:23
day. Oh. I have no
20:25
idea. Name a movie where
20:27
someone hangs from a giant
20:29
hand of a clock. Peter
20:31
Pan. Okay, that is time. That's
20:33
all the time, okay? Well, that's all the
20:35
time we had for a reset. Can you please reset?
20:37
Oh, yeah. We got plenty of time in the warehouse. Exactly.
20:40
Please dig some up and reset
20:42
the timer. All right. Resetting the
20:44
timer, you would think the clock experts would do
20:46
that, but I guess I'll do it. Fair.
20:48
Fine. Ah! It's
20:52
reset. Oh, thank you. Okay.
20:54
Lucy, you can ask your
20:56
shorts on by our questions
20:58
for singin' now. What made
21:00
clock dials glow in the
21:02
dark in the 1920s? Radiom.
21:04
Radioactive paint. Before alarm
21:07
clocks, whose job was it to
21:09
wake people up? The
21:11
knocker -opper. What was the name
21:13
of the first clock that could work at sea?
21:15
Oh, that would be the marine chronometer.
21:17
Name two brands of watches that have
21:19
been worn by James Bond. Omega
21:22
and Seiko. Which
21:24
clock is the most accurate type of
21:26
clock? Oh, an atomic
21:29
clock? What is the pointy
21:31
part of a sundial called? That's
21:33
a nomen. Ouchie thingy. What
21:35
is the name of the
21:37
clock and Disney's beauty and
21:39
the beast? Pass. How would
21:41
you say 3pm in military
21:43
time? 1500. Factor
21:46
Fib. Watches do not work
21:48
in outer space. Fib.
21:50
Which part of a cuckoo
21:52
clock makes the cuckoo
21:55
sound? Closs. Who made the
21:57
first Swiss wristwatch in
21:59
1868? Perfect. Perfectly.
22:01
Very good. And time. That's all
22:03
the time. Excellent. Hello.
22:06
Woo. Go on, Deborah. That
22:08
was great. Good job, Lucy. We'll
22:10
see how good of a job
22:12
our experts did. Okay.
22:18
It's decision time. Lucy had
22:20
to pay close attention and
22:22
watch out for lies. Lucy,
22:24
who do you think our
22:26
fiber is? Risa. Why do
22:28
you think Risa is our
22:31
fiber? I don't know. It's
22:33
just like something feels off.
22:35
Okay. You don't know. You
22:37
just have a feeling. I
22:39
love it. Okay. Will the
22:41
actual clock expert please say
22:43
I am the clock expert? I
22:47
am the clock expert. Yay.
22:49
You did it. You did it,
22:51
Lucy. That is correct. Syngin Karp
22:53
is a librarian at the
22:56
Horological Society of New York, a
22:58
nonprofit organization which promotes the
23:00
study of time and timekeeping. Fascinating.
23:03
Oh my gosh. There's so much
23:05
information here that we need to
23:07
know whether it's true or false. But
23:09
Syngin, what would you like us
23:11
all to appreciate about time and
23:13
timekeeping, that is your mission at the
23:15
Horological Society? It's everything. I
23:17
mean, you think it's just clocks and
23:20
watches, right? But it's also astronomy,
23:22
navigation, the history of science. It's just
23:24
an integral part of the human
23:26
existence at this point in human history.
23:28
Wow. There's a lot there. Deep.
23:30
Deep stuff. Very cool. That's me
23:32
a big library. Right? Let's get
23:35
to the bottom of some of
23:37
these things. Syngin, can you tell
23:39
us what you heard Risa say
23:41
that would have deserved a timeout? She
23:43
was kind of on point about our hands.
23:45
When she said that clocks only used
23:47
to have an hour hand, it's actually more
23:49
accurate to say the early pocket watches
23:51
only had an hour hand because they could
23:53
lose like up to 40 minutes per
23:56
day. But they were actually fine by the
23:58
time that she mentioned them late 19th. century.
24:00
I see. Yeah, she was definitely
24:02
talking some interesting nonsense about why they
24:04
called hands. Oh, really? That
24:06
wasn't true at all. I suspect not. Okay,
24:08
so that was a whole lot of
24:10
nothing I see. Very good. Anything else that
24:12
stood out? Ooh, no, not at the top
24:14
of my head. Okay, no worries. Risa, how
24:16
did you try to make us second
24:18
guess the truth? Well, happy time does
24:21
exist, but that I don't know why
24:23
that hands are called hands and not
24:25
lines that I completely made up. Oh,
24:27
right. And also, the English word for
24:29
clock doesn't come from the Latin word
24:31
for time. I made that one up.
24:33
Yes. Sinjin, do you know what it
24:35
means? Yes, it's a medieval Latin
24:37
word. It's clocker. It means bell. Bell.
24:40
Oh. So it's almost nothing
24:42
really to do with time
24:44
directly. Not directly. I suppose
24:46
it's referring to the bells in a
24:48
clock tower. Right. Interesting. Okay,
24:50
well, I'll wrap things up too.
24:52
I'll just go through some of
24:54
them for everyone. So in order
24:57
to change the time in Big
24:59
Ben, you actually add or take
25:01
out pennies in the pendulum. Very
25:03
interesting. Oh, I thought it was gravy. No,
25:05
not gravy, sorry. So one
25:08
of the other lies, until the
25:10
20th century, women were not
25:12
allowed to wear wrist watches. Risa
25:14
said that that was true,
25:16
but actually, until that time, it
25:18
was mostly women who wore
25:20
wrist watches, while men wore pocket
25:22
watches. Interesting. The
25:24
name of the clock in Disney's
25:27
Beauty and the Beast was Cogsworth,
25:29
as anybody was wondering. Well,
25:31
I learned a lot. I hope
25:33
you all did too. But time
25:35
certainly flies when you're having fun.
25:38
So thanks to our contestant, Lucy,
25:40
who was hands down a super
25:42
watchdog of truth. And thank you
25:44
to our expert and liar, Sinjin
25:46
and Risa. And thanks to Lisa,
25:48
our technological sound mixer. And of
25:51
course, many thanks to our listeners
25:53
tuning into the Big Fib, where
25:55
our glass is half full when
25:57
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