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It's a podcast called

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twenty five wist Stocking Football

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and they are whist So, yeah, it's too

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bad, But what don't you expect?

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It's a podcast called twenty

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five.

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Whistles twenty wine.

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Hello, welcome. It

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could be our last show ever. What do you mean why

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it could be?

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No, like somebody dies over the weekend.

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What do you mean.

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Our contract runs through the super Bowl, then it's

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over.

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No one told me this.

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It's always been that.

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Oh my goodness. All

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right, boys, make it the best show ever.

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Originally.

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Yeah, like last year we did like seventy

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for twenty five and this year we signed

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double then last

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year meaning double episodes fifty

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even we did more than that, and it was all

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the way up until the super Bowl. This is probably unless

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they renew last year. We renewed

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up until NCAA basketball. But I've not hurt anything

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about that.

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We'll get on it, man, I made every

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call.

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Really, it's super Bowl week.

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Yeah, they're busy.

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It's hard to get hold anybody. So

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I thought you said best ever, but now

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I'm like, it's could be our last. Who cares well,

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what a way to go out there. Two times Super Bowl champion Tony

1:38

Casi is on with us.

1:39

Yeah, that's awesome.

1:41

It's coming up.

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And also Paul Mills, head coach of

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Wichitall State Basketball and assistant coach

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Quincy Acy who played in the NBA for a bunch of teams

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and guard Xavier Bill.

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So that's coming up. So we're gonna have a heck of a

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possibly last show.

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Maybe not Okay, I do

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not know.

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Give me send a message right now.

1:57

And ask please just say like, hey,

2:00

we're wondering what to do. We're recording our last

2:02

show right now.

2:02

Oh we're not wondering what to do.

2:03

I know what to do.

2:04

Just do the show.

2:05

Oh what do you mean? We still just do it?

2:06

You want to just quit mid mid. I don't understand

2:08

what we do different.

2:09

Someone tells me, hey, you're gonna die like in the next thirty

2:12

minutes, I'd be like, cool, all right, see,

2:14

yeah, you just.

2:15

Said do the best show ever. Then you blew the whistle, but yeah,

2:17

you're all over.

2:18

It changed my mind quickly.

2:20

Hold on, hey man,

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it's uh after

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ten here Ceral time. I don't know where you are, if you're

2:27

in Vegas for the super Bowl yet or not. We

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are doing our very last twenty

2:31

five whistles that we know of. I'm with all the guys now

2:34

and they were a bit shocked. This is our last

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show unless you have heard

2:39

that we're getting renewed at

2:41

all for any weeks or for NCAA basketball.

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If you have any new information, please let us know. And

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I'm sitting with them now. Anything

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you want to say, Yeah, we need it, man, we need

2:52

more episodes.

2:53

We're not done yet.

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All right, man, talk to you soon.

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Thanks.

2:57

I won't to have a job. Who was there? Who

3:00

was that mister Drapkings was

3:02

mister oh well,

3:05

that's cool for sure?

3:07

In Vegas.

3:08

It was actually Kevin Lagrette, who was head

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of iHeartRadio Sports from

3:12

Los Angeles.

3:13

So we'll see what's up.

3:15

I know, I know who he is.

3:20

All right, let's go to what's possibly the final tittle

3:22

tattle? Oh no, no, no, all

3:26

right, let's go even do it.

3:31

The last tattle. Read's

3:33

now jumping into it, redoing

3:39

it. Never ever does you talk? And

3:42

now he jumps in. He's

3:44

losing it.

3:45

We're going crazy. Well, super Bowl

3:47

weekend it's here. What is your favorite

3:49

headline heading into the big game?

3:53

Oh?

3:53

I got mine?

3:54

Well, so the headlines, for example are Taylor

3:58

Kelsey, Will Taylor make the make

4:00

it?

4:00

That's a big one.

4:01

Patrick Mahomes is if he wins

4:04

again, will he be a step

4:06

closer being the greatest of all time? If

4:08

he doesn't win, is he a step closer to being the greatest of all time?

4:10

Just getting there?

4:11

Rock party? Is he legit or not?

4:12

Yeah?

4:13

I like that one.

4:14

Andy Reid chasing

4:16

Belichick the same way that Mahomes is kind of chasing

4:18

Brady if he wins another one, He's

4:20

in that conversation for sure. Kyle

4:24

Shanahan back at it after one

4:27

lost Super Bowl last time, but also twenty

4:29

eight to three when they were up on the Patriots

4:31

in Atlanta. He was the offensive coordinator, so

4:35

this is his vindication. Ish the

4:38

two top defenses. My

4:40

favorite storyline.

4:43

Of all of that A

4:46

lot to choose from.

4:51

What interests me the most. I

4:53

guess my favorite storyline is will I win this money?

4:55

Because I haven't cashed out of it?

4:56

You haven't seen that storyline, the headline.

4:58

It's mine though, because I did all these futures on Kansas City.

5:01

Is that up anywhere?

5:02

No, man, it's in Bobby's Bobby's publication.

5:04

It's a story that I'm doing now in my head. I was like, what most

5:07

interests me about this game? It's that I have all these

5:10

futures on Kansas City. I haven't made any bets on

5:12

the game itself, and.

5:13

You haven't cashed out any of those.

5:15

I've done a couple of prop bets. I've not cashed out anything.

5:17

We told you what to do. Is it just a

5:19

bit when you ask us for advice?

5:21

No, it's not. But a lot of times when you say stuff, I do

5:23

the opposite.

5:24

I mean, I get it, And that's why I asked. When

5:26

we see the outcome, You're like, I good call.

5:29

Who do you think wins the game? Because

5:32

mine is there's no points mine was just a future to win the Super

5:34

Bowl.

5:35

I think the Chiefs win the game.

5:38

That's what most people think.

5:39

That's my prediction. Yeah, except Vegas, except

5:42

Vegas. You're right, correct, Kevin.

5:46

Yeah, who wins the game?

5:47

The Chiefs?

5:49

Yeah.

5:49

If I yeah, if you're holding a gun to my head, I hot and say

5:51

the Chiefs.

5:52

You just put it on the quarterback, you think.

5:53

Yeah, at the end of the day, like like what what what do

5:56

you say around here?

5:57

Gott to be the man.

5:58

You gotta beat the man exactly. Also, can't City's

6:00

defense, although young, they're really good.

6:04

I have one cash out that I could do right now for one thy ninety

6:07

seven dollars.

6:08

That's the one we told you. I

6:12

just think I'm gonna.

6:13

Roll, Yes, roll

6:15

dogget.

6:17

With raw Doggett.

6:19

All right, next question, all right, do you think Kyle Shanahan

6:22

needs to win the Super Bowl in order to get put in the Andy

6:24

Reid category?

6:25

Well, yeah, Andy reads in the category of is

6:27

he the greatest of all time?

6:30

And if he wins this one, he'll be in that category.

6:33

Now he's that guy in the precipice of being possibly

6:35

the one of the greatest of all time. But

6:37

he needs to win a super Bowl because the Niners

6:40

have been really good. He's

6:42

been really good, but

6:44

twice his teams have choked. He

6:47

listened, he didn't play defense, he didn't coax the defense

6:49

when Atlanta, but they also didn't score, you

6:52

know, yeah, so that

6:55

sucks.

6:56

In the San.

6:56

Francisco they

6:59

had it. Yeah, Jimmy g throw

7:01

a bad back. But again, it's never just on one play.

7:03

There are also always many decisions that lead to one

7:05

play. But I think he needs to win

7:07

the super Bowl to be considered one

7:10

of the I mean, it's just like a ring, even though it's always

7:12

not fair. You get a ring, you're considered a

7:15

level higher than nobody who doesn't have a ring, even if

7:18

the person who doesn't have the ring is better. For example,

7:21

when people compare like now read, who would

7:23

you say it was a better quarterback, knowing what you know,

7:25

Eli Manning two super Bowl wins or

7:27

Jimmy wis Dan Reno played all No?

7:30

Yeah, like who would you have as your

7:32

quarterback? But I've heard better

7:34

things about Dan Marino. You've heard better things. Yeah,

7:36

I would say Peyton's better than Eli, right, yeah,

7:39

but.

7:39

We're talking about Eli and Dan. Right, let's comparison.

7:42

All I would say is a lot of people don't give Dan

7:44

Reno the credit possibly be one of the greatest ever because

7:46

he has no rings. Charles Barkley same thing, no rings.

7:50

I think he needs a ring. He's been to

7:52

the Super Bowl twice falcons of Niners. He's reached the NFC

7:54

Championship five times. He's

7:57

known as one of the greatest offensive minds. None

8:00

owns a guy that makes grea adjustments at halftime but

8:03

just can't win the big game.

8:04

It's got to be much easier for Andy Reid too. When

8:06

your quarterbacks Patrick Mahomes, you got Shanahan,

8:08

You're just like God.

8:09

To be fair Andy Reid's quarterbacks, Patrick Mahomes,

8:11

because Patrick Mahomes, Andy Reid, meaning

8:14

all these quarterbacks and Andy Reid systems from

8:16

Alex Smith to Dante Culpepper to whomever.

8:18

They always that's you want to be in

8:20

his system?

8:21

Oh wow, I didn't really.

8:21

But until like when they won it four

8:24

years ago. Now he had that monkey on his back too,

8:26

Andy Reid. You know, he went to the NFC Championship

8:28

what four years in row with the Eagles, couldn't get it done,

8:30

and then they lost to the who oh the Patriots?

8:33

Yeah, I think right, ye,

8:36

No, four.

8:36

We don't care, we don't hate the Patriots, and not really prove him.

8:38

Man, it's the last show and you're being all spiteful

8:41

tittle tattle.

8:42

Next, all right, the quarterback is a heavy

8:44

favorite to win the MVP. But if you had to pick one

8:46

non QB, who would it be easy?

8:48

I know McCaffrey is the dude that probably is gonna

8:51

get the ball and it will be the factor. However,

8:54

I think that I think people

8:56

would love for it Kelsey to be the MVP.

8:58

Oh gosh, I hope and if it's close,

9:00

yes please no.

9:02

So the problem is, if Kansas City wins, Mahomes

9:04

is probably the MVP, and if San Francisco

9:06

wins, most likely

9:09

party, but it also could be one of those other guys. It could be anybody

9:11

from AYUK or Debo. But

9:14

for Kansas City to have Kelsey be the

9:16

MVP, is Kelsey

9:18

scoring like three touchdowns? Because

9:22

if Mahomes throws three, Kelsey catches

9:24

all three. Kelsey is gonna

9:26

get the benefit of that doubt because

9:29

of Taylor, just because it's

9:31

easier to throw a touchdown because

9:34

you have all these options and to catch a touchdown when you're the only option

9:37

just a numbers game. Yeah, So I think Kelsey

9:39

would be hilarious to win. And I think if

9:41

it's even he'll get it. And this is a big deal too,

9:43

because if he retires after this year, we're not going to

9:45

have.

9:47

He's getting married.

9:48

He's not gonna tire. And I don't know that he's getting married.

9:50

That's what they're saying.

9:51

They said that about every tailor romance.

9:54

True.

9:55

Yeah, right, next up the last one. Let's do a

9:57

two parter because it could be the last one ever. Right, Usher

10:00

is set to perform. So are you excited about Usher?

10:02

And number two? Who out of an

10:04

artist or a band that you haven't seen perform there

10:07

at the super Bowl?

10:07

Would you like to see?

10:08

I don't want any of my favorite people to ever perform at halftime

10:10

in the Super Bowl because all it does is create haters. So

10:14

one of my favorite yeah, imagine one of my favorite

10:16

bands. Let's say Foo Fighters goes out

10:18

and plays and freaking rocks it. It

10:21

doesn't matter how good they play. My wife's gonna be like, why these

10:23

old dudes up?

10:23

They're playing?

10:24

And people and then people who just want to complain

10:26

and be like that sucked even though it was great, because they do

10:28

it to everybody. So I don't want my favorite band to play

10:31

that halftime show.

10:31

It's not worth it.

10:33

I think like a Beaber or

10:36

an ed Shearon would be cool because generally they're

10:39

liked and there's really not a lot they can do to make people like

10:41

them less because what they do you

10:43

already get it. They go out, they play their

10:45

music, they sing at Sharon especially

10:47

it's guys a guitar, you'd be good.

10:49

Yeah, I think that would be cool, or

10:52

like.

10:54

I just wouldn't do it if I were like somebody, though that depended

10:56

so much on the vocals, Like if you were like

10:58

an Adele for example, Oh yeah, because

11:00

it's so she's so good vocally that if they happen

11:03

to mess that up a little bit where it's not exactly perfect, it

11:05

didn't live up to the Adele standard.

11:06

Well, they lip sync it too, right.

11:08

Sometimes sometimes in some of it, but

11:11

not all of it all the time.

11:12

Yeah, like they turn it off when they're like thank you super

11:14

Bowl.

11:15

Well.

11:15

I think they also sing with their track sometimes too, because

11:17

it's been a thing where it's like, oh, their liptaking.

11:19

I think they missed the boat on this one huge opportunity

11:21

and not how Taylor do it?

11:22

They couldn't mean I believe

11:24

the sponsor maybe it was last year, the sponsor that the

11:26

pepsi coke thing apple

11:29

this year. And

11:31

also why would Taylor doesn't she doesn't need

11:33

it, No, because they don't even pay it.

11:35

It doesn't pay it just for the followers

11:38

and promotion. Yeah, she definitely doesn't

11:40

need.

11:40

It first person ever.

11:41

Right now?

11:42

All right, that's the final tittle Tattle, Thank you stupid.

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12:27

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12:59

Super Bowl champion Eddies.

13:01

Dude who you guys sat with him in the

13:03

suite at the Cowboys game.

13:04

Oh dude, Yes, it's awesome. I have his phone number.

13:06

And how you got him on the show. Yeah, got his number.

13:09

Yeah.

13:09

I told him all about what we do and everything. He's like, cool,

13:11

man's get me on your podcast. We'll

13:13

see.

13:14

So he requested you and then you said we'll see dude,

13:16

and I said we'll see Elan.

13:17

That's not how it happened.

13:19

Yes, please, please come on our podcast.

13:21

Do we love It?

13:22

Tony.

13:23

Tony was a nose tackle who went back to back Super Bowls

13:25

with the Cowboys in the early nineties. Right, he won

13:27

a natural championship at Oklahoma, Big

13:30

big Boomer, Sooner guy.

13:32

Him and Eddy became best friends. Did you write this?

13:34

I did not, but that's a great description.

13:37

Him and Eddy became best friends, and they met in Dallas for a game

13:39

this year and I grew stronger during this. Okay, anyway,

13:42

here he is at Tony Casillas.

13:44

Thank you.

13:45

Do you consider yourself or do you think

13:47

that you get called out more for

13:49

being a Sooner legend or a Cowboys

13:52

super Bowl champion? If you're just somewhere,

13:55

who are you mostly Tony the Sooners

13:57

All American or Dallas Cowboy champion?

14:00

Well, I'll tell you what with my Super Bowl ring, I'm

14:02

just this old old guy with the Super

14:04

Bowl ring. And you know it's a funny thing about

14:06

as a cowboy. You're living in Dallas, and man,

14:09

it's just been you know, Dallas has

14:11

been this toxic relationship for so

14:13

many years. I think everyone just hears the same

14:15

thing and you know it's going to change,

14:17

But you never change, and you

14:19

break up and you go back together. You

14:22

know, I think probably living in Dallas.

14:26

You know, I've been out of the game for so long, but uh,

14:29

you know, the true true fans

14:32

remember you. Uh you know, Dallas.

14:34

It's such an Unfortunately, as I mentioned, it's

14:36

been so long since we've done anything relevant,

14:39

and which is okay, we

14:41

just have to reminisce about it the old times. But I

14:44

think, oh, you, football is something that

14:46

always be in my DNA. God,

14:49

I had so many great memories. I think when I go back

14:51

to Oklahoma, yeah, a lot of people, you

14:53

know, they recognize my work. And in

14:56

regardless of how do you get,

14:58

there's some there's

15:01

a yoke between you and

15:03

the fan base. And I think that that's

15:05

the beauty of that. The beauty of I think

15:08

when I look at playing the game of football is

15:10

how lucky I've been to be able to play on championship

15:13

teams because a

15:15

lot of fans, the fan base will

15:18

forget different

15:20

players and different groups of generations,

15:23

but they have the tendency not

15:25

to forget hopefully the history and

15:28

understand that. And I think

15:30

in Oklahoma is obviously

15:33

a great case for that. But you know, Dallas

15:36

is such a Again, it's

15:38

just it's been such a long time, and

15:41

so people have to we have to be relevant

15:43

somewhat with the guys that played in the Super Bowl

15:45

thirty years. As weird as that sounds,

15:49

unfortunately, that's where we're at now, which is

15:51

not my it's not my undoing. I tell

15:53

everyone I have nothing to do with it, and we

15:56

just did what we did, and I do I

15:58

do tell people. You were just

16:00

born at the wrong place at the wrong time.

16:02

So would you rather if you had to pick one, Oh,

16:04

you won a national championship next year, first year in the SEC,

16:06

or the Cowboys won the Super Bowl?

16:08

Damn, that's a great question because

16:10

you.

16:10

Only get one.

16:12

Uh Uh,

16:17

I don't know. I think that's a

16:19

great question. I'm gonna I'm gonna go with Dallas.

16:21

I think Oklahoma and let

16:24

it's gonna take some transition for them to

16:26

get used to the SEC, and

16:29

you know, I think they'll win. But it's I

16:31

think the parody is a little different. I think

16:34

the Big Twelve had some great teams in it,

16:37

or some teams, you know, with the trans support

16:39

and the nil you guys know, it just changes everything.

16:42

It's just you can't really get any gauge

16:44

on any team because they changed so much. I'm

16:47

looking for that answer. I'm gonna

16:50

go with I'm gonna go with Dallas because I think

16:52

that they're we and

16:54

here I am following it's not even it's

16:57

not even preseason yet, because that's usually what everyone

16:59

does. Our year, this is our year, Yeah,

17:02

this is our year, or it's yeah,

17:04

it's our year until it gets to the postseason

17:07

play and him, We're like, what the hell

17:09

just happened the last seventeen

17:11

weeks.

17:14

But I don't know.

17:14

I think it's gonna be interesting. And you know this, what's

17:16

the bonds is what you know, Bobby,

17:19

is that my daughter went to Arkansas. So I'm

17:21

a big Arkansas FN and

17:24

I know John Daly and I know he's a huge

17:26

obviously he's he bleeds uh you

17:29

razor back. But I love going to

17:31

Arkansas. I love going to I love the SEC

17:33

and environment and everything that goes along with that. And

17:38

but it's just that's a that's

17:41

a man's that's a big boy conference.

17:44

So but I'm gonna go

17:46

with Dallas. I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna continue

17:48

on. It's gonna be our year, and damn,

17:51

I just want them.

17:52

I just want them to.

17:54

Go back while

17:57

I'm still here. I mean, is that too much ass?

18:00

Let's just keep our fingers cross man.

18:01

That's not too much to ask. I think that's that's that's perfect.

18:04

But Tony, let me ask you this. You were there when

18:07

Jimmy Johnson did the famous how about them

18:09

Cowboys? What was that like

18:11

in person? I mean, obviously you were on top of the world

18:13

when that happened, but that's something

18:16

we will as Cowboys fans will say forever.

18:18

And you were there.

18:20

But here's the thing. I remember.

18:23

You know, he got inducted the Ring of Honor, guys

18:26

went back for his players. He wanted

18:28

to make sure that we're able to come back and experience

18:31

that, which was long overdue. But

18:34

when he when he came out there and the

18:37

last thing you said, I think we're all just anticipating

18:40

that happened, but when he said it, how

18:42

about them Cowboys? It just it's

18:44

just very vivid because I remember, after,

18:47

you know, we won the

18:50

Super Bowl, that

18:53

he that's the words that came out of his

18:56

after the after the game, after we won the game. And it's

18:58

so vivid because hadn't

19:00

changed. You know, Jimmy's older,

19:02

but his his his

19:05

delivery and his communication

19:08

with us in the locker

19:10

room was the thing that great coaches were able

19:12

to do.

19:12

And who would have thought that that would

19:14

have been this legendary.

19:17

Uh.

19:18

You know this quote that he said after

19:20

the game is beyond

19:22

and you know, it just really sends

19:25

what's chills down your spine because

19:28

being in that moment and understanding how vivid

19:31

it was and to hear him say it, you know, granted

19:33

this has been thirty years ago and now here

19:35

it.

19:37

Man, it's timeless.

19:38

And the fact that he did it when

19:41

Dallas was getting blown out

19:43

by Green Bay at the halftime,

19:45

Like why did they just kind of.

19:46

Plug it in the locker room?

19:47

So these guys, these these

19:50

modern day players could hear that because it doesn't

19:52

change, man, it makes you move. And so yeah,

19:55

it's it's a vivid, vivid moment that

19:57

will never change. And he was

19:59

just amazing communicator. He

20:02

just pulled those things out of nowhere and just here

20:05

we go thirty years later. That's and

20:07

you'll hear that forever.

20:09

I've always wondered, you know, like how the

20:11

announcers get clarifications for like

20:14

names, you know, and I'm Hispanic, and I know

20:16

that Garcia is a little easier,

20:18

but Garcias is like specific.

20:21

My last name is did you have to tell people

20:23

over and over like all right, this is how you pronounce it's not Cacilla's,

20:26

like, this is how you pronounce it.

20:29

Well, it's a.

20:29

Butcher name, without a doubt, and I expected.

20:33

What's interesting is like when I was growing up in

20:35

Oklahoma, I had sixty

20:37

five first cousins, a big culture

20:40

Hispanic family. Dad had

20:42

thirteen brothers and sisters. Do the math,

20:45

Hispanic Catholic, so kind

20:48

of get the picture. So when

20:50

I was when I was in prejudice

20:52

and was really relevant prevalent in

20:56

Oklahoma. And so it was funny because

20:59

we lived on the other We lived in the

21:01

white neighborhood, so to

21:03

speak. We got out and then it really wasn't

21:06

this you know, it very middle class

21:08

or maybe lower middle class. But my grandparents

21:11

lived on the other side. And what would happen

21:13

is every weekend, all

21:15

of a sudden, you know, it's like a small

21:17

house. It's like one or two room house, very

21:20

small. I remember I could touch the ceiling when

21:22

I was like sixth grade, that's how small the house

21:24

was. So anyway, we had everyone would

21:26

come there with sixty five first cousins, grandparents,

21:29

everything, my kid, my, my, uh. You

21:31

know, my dad never spoke Spanish

21:33

around me, but I know when he got around my uncles, they started,

21:36

you know, saying all these corchina words. I knew they didn't

21:38

want to sit here what they were talking about. But

21:40

anyway, when I went over to my grandparents, they

21:43

my uncles and aunts pronounce

21:45

their named Cassius. But then

21:47

we went back over to east

21:50

side Tulsa, it went back to Casillas,

21:52

and I'm thinking, okay, well aren't we related.

21:55

This is something to your brother, and

21:57

so he never did give me really an answer that

22:00

so it's Casillas. So everyone called

22:02

me Casillas until I got to college

22:05

and I'm my following had a hard

22:07

heart conversation. I said, Dad, I said,

22:09

why why is a hard name pronounced

22:11

different than my other family as

22:13

well?

22:14

I just wanted to make it sound more Anglo.

22:16

We're living in an area and I just didn't want to hear all you

22:18

guys have to go deal with all the prejudice. And so that's

22:21

when I went back to Casillas. And you

22:23

know, Obviously, people that knew

22:25

me, you know, thought that my

22:28

name was Casillas for a long time, and I said, now

22:30

I corrected them. So, but yeah,

22:33

it's a very profound name.

22:35

It's very I know there's a lot more cassius

22:37

is out there, but uh it's probably

22:39

one of the most butchered names, without a doubt.

22:42

Whenever you're drafted by the Falcons, you play a few years

22:44

in Atlanta and you're you know, you head over

22:46

to Dallas. But Dallas wasn't good your

22:48

first year's in Atlanta, as a matter of fact, they were terrible.

22:51

So when you were going to Dallas, were you like,

22:53

all right, I'm about to get in on it, organizations,

22:56

it's on the way up.

22:57

Or were you like, I don't even know what's about to happen.

23:01

No, I knew anything was good, but I knew

23:03

anything it was gonna be better than than uh th

23:05

In Atlanta. It was this toxic environment the

23:09

organization. It was more uh

23:12

more just trying to make money

23:14

and not spend money to be good, and

23:17

it just become this culture of it

23:19

was very toxic. And I just coming

23:23

from Oklahoma and winning. I know that

23:25

you're the second player picked in the draft

23:27

and it's you. It's a huge

23:29

honor.

23:30

You get paid. You know, back then, I thought

23:32

it was a lot.

23:32

I mean, it's still a lot of money, but you know, the

23:34

anyway, I knew that

23:36

there's a lot of things that come with that. For one, it's that

23:38

you're gonna be on a really crappy team, and

23:41

I was. But I think it

23:43

was a culture.

23:43

There was not.

23:44

I think that that's kind of the misleading about people.

23:46

Whenever, you know, they think that they

23:49

see these athletes playing on different teams

23:51

and how glamorous it is, and you know, social

23:53

media and everything. But I'll tell you what, you

23:56

get into that that

23:59

routine of just going to work and

24:01

you've heard this all the time and just getting a paycheck.

24:04

I mean, all of a sudden, it becomes us. It's

24:06

contagious and everyone has that same attitude.

24:08

Hey, we don't we don't need to win. We can go four

24:10

and twelve and I'm gonna get ready for a vacation

24:13

when it's the tenth week

24:15

in the season. So I just didn't and

24:17

I hated that, and so

24:19

I you know, I got traded, and I tell

24:21

you, what's the best thing going to happen to me. You

24:24

mentioned Jimmy Johnson. Jimmy Johnson, he saved

24:26

my football career because you know, Jay

24:28

Dave One said, who I knew from high school recruited

24:31

me. I knew Jimmy, he was both they

24:33

were Oklahoma State, so they had

24:35

some familiarity with me, and so they

24:37

saw the good in me. But I tell you, dude,

24:40

man, when I got to when I got to Dallas

24:43

and I got up playing, it was it

24:45

was a night and day, and people

24:47

were excited. Even if they were

24:50

bad, they still had expectations because

24:52

that was coming from the new owner and I was coming from

24:54

a coach, and you just kind of knew it wasn't

24:56

going to be like that forever. These guys going

24:58

to make something really really special happening.

25:01

You beat Buffalo twice in a row. They

25:03

ended up losing two. They end up losing two more. After

25:06

what loss, did you start to feel bad for them?

25:08

No?

25:09

No, never, never, never,

25:13

don't ever feel bad for the opponent. Look,

25:15

there's a reason why you know you

25:17

got the rings and they don't. I

25:20

guess they give you a runner up ring in the Super

25:22

Bowl. But this is not as good as the

25:25

as the uh, you know, the super Bowl, the

25:27

Champion Ring and and I guess

25:29

there was some many. I mean, you go to the super Bowl four times

25:32

and you can't you don't have anything to show for it. I

25:34

guess I feel sorry to the fans. I mean they got

25:36

the best fans, But no,

25:39

I never feeling I don't really feel sorry for the

25:41

loser.

25:41

I mean, I just I don't.

25:43

Whenever they were playing the Giants, or did

25:45

you root for Buffalo when you guys weren't in it because

25:47

you had played them, or did you have like a weird taste because

25:50

you played them and competed against them and didn't like them.

25:53

Well, you never we hated people in the

25:56

NCAST.

25:56

I mean, yet that's you got the Giants, you got

25:59

Washington, and you got the Eagles,

26:01

So you all you hated each other in that division.

26:04

Without a doubt.

26:05

You know.

26:06

Now I cheer for Buffalo.

26:07

I think it's it's been so long and as

26:10

long as Kansas City's and the AOC and you

26:12

know, all these other teams, they just for some reason

26:15

that's kind of the you know, that's uh,

26:18

they can't ever get over the winning the Big Game.

26:20

And it's been for a long time. And but

26:23

yeah, I'm just like anyone else. I love watching

26:25

football. I'm I'm a huge fan. But

26:29

yeah, when it comes to playing a team and Phil

26:31

and so for me and you watch guys after the game,

26:34

maybe it's old school, you know, exchanging

26:36

jerseys and you know, after you get your ass

26:38

kicked, and like really, I mean you really want to you

26:40

want my jersey after I just kicked your ass, and

26:45

and I hate, I don't like that, but I

26:47

guess that's just the way it is in today's generation.

26:50

So with San Francisco and the Super

26:52

Bowl and obviously my memories,

26:54

especially when you were playing it was Dallas and San Francisco

26:56

in the NFTY championship every year, it felt like every

26:59

year, right, And so do you still

27:01

have you know, this negative feeling

27:04

just towards the brand of the forty nine ers, not

27:06

the people or the organization or

27:08

because they were a rival or as that long

27:11

gone as well.

27:12

You know what, I think there's certain when they're playing

27:14

Dallas, I think some of that stuff comes out.

27:18

And I think that.

27:21

You know, our success against the forty nine ers

27:23

and you just mentioned we played each other and it

27:25

met something.

27:26

You know, it's gonna be the postseason play.

27:28

It's gonna be the forty nine Ers and the Cowboys and

27:30

all these historic matchups

27:32

and everything that goes along with it. But

27:35

I mean, when I look at the Super Bowl, I just think

27:37

it's such an accomplishment that teams get there

27:40

because it's so hard to get there. And

27:42

I think we you know, there's a lot of people

27:45

that they have their teams

27:48

and the teams they chair for, and

27:50

even for Buffalo in

27:52

saying that, yeah, I said, I feel

27:55

sorry for him. But the fact that

27:57

you get you're able to get there is a

27:59

huge pomplishment and winning it. I

28:01

mean, there's so many things that have to happen for

28:04

you to for you to be able

28:06

to get on that road of going

28:08

to Super Bowl. But you

28:11

know, I look at the forty nine Ers, The Raiders

28:13

are probably the worst the

28:16

most aggressive fan

28:19

base, I would say, and that would be the Raiders

28:21

and after that the forty nine Ers. First

28:24

of all, if anybody who invites you to go to forty nine

28:26

Ers Raiders game, don't

28:28

go, man, a good chance you're

28:30

gonna get your ask you're or

28:33

it depends on which jersey are gonna wear. But

28:37

I just love watching I mean, there's so many great things

28:39

these two. You know, with San Francisco, you got a quarterback

28:42

that was drafted, last player picked

28:44

in the draft and taking his team to

28:46

Super Bowl. So there's so many storylines to it to not

28:48

make you to want to

28:50

make you cheer for him just because

28:52

of what their storylines are, all right.

28:54

Three final questions.

28:55

Dan Quinn left defensive COORDA

28:57

did a great job in Dallas, but now he's gonna go and be

28:59

the head coach of the Commanders.

29:01

How big of a loss of the Cowboys is

29:03

that.

29:05

I think it's a big loss.

29:07

I think that I think

29:09

we all kind of knew that Dan was going to be

29:11

a head coach again after Atlanta,

29:14

and but I think that after

29:17

that playoff game and when

29:19

Dallas lost the Green Bay there was kind of some kind

29:22

of decision making that was

29:24

made on the defensive side of the ball.

29:26

But I don't know.

29:27

I think that there's probably some things

29:30

on that defense we don't know about. I think that when

29:32

you look at the players that they have defensive

29:34

lead, you know, I think Micah Parson

29:37

is a tremendous player.

29:38

But I think sometimes

29:40

you may be a little selfish and

29:44

because you look.

29:45

In that game not to get too technical,

29:48

the way they're playing with on the nickel Pats,

29:50

they're playing with a lot of defensive backs.

29:52

They really didn't have a linebacker.

29:53

All their linebacker were decimated Leydon

29:55

vander Ashy, he was injured, so they really their

29:58

their linebackers.

29:59

Just this appeared.

30:01

And I just don't think Micah the way

30:03

he plays, he wants to play up and make all these

30:05

big plays, and there's nothing wrong with that, but

30:07

whenever you need to solidify the core

30:10

of your defense, you've got no one to play. I

30:13

just don't think guys really took

30:15

on that role. And I think Dan's

30:17

gonna be a tremendous a tremendous coach. Everyone I

30:20

talked to been around and he's this leader

30:22

man, he's very defense is

30:24

fun to play and uh and and

30:27

really the guy's really he's the last

30:29

three years you got to what he did for the Dallass

30:31

defense was amazing. And will

30:34

it hurt uh to

30:36

a certain stoint, But I think that there'll be a different

30:38

philosophy, but but it'll be a philosophy

30:41

that's kind of similar to what they have now. But

30:43

I think he's going to be a tremendous tremendous

30:45

coach. I mean, Washington got their guy. I think

30:48

he'll definitely help turn that program around.

30:50

Yeah, along with that Champ. You know people

30:52

the fans are always talking about like, oh.

30:55

I know

30:58

he's a Champ, but you just it was just like so actually

31:00

super Bowl Tim, Yeah, I love it.

31:02

Man.

31:04

Hey to be honest, when when we were listening to let

31:07

him continue, Hey,

31:10

just a couple of cowboys fans talking here. All right,

31:12

Okay, so Champ, like I was saying,

31:15

so so, so you know, like

31:17

a lot of the fans love that. They blamed Dak, they

31:19

blame Jerry Jones, they blamed the coach,

31:21

they blamed d like like Dan Quinn, they

31:24

blame all sorts of things, And I

31:26

just feel like, don't they know what

31:29

they're doing, Like we don't know what's going on in

31:31

there? Like we they know what they're doing. But

31:34

you've been inside it too, Like is that is that factual?

31:37

To be inside the organization and listen to fans

31:39

listen to radio shows talk about what the problem

31:41

is and then you just listen to that and say, like, that's not

31:43

even close to what's happened here.

31:45

Well, I think that that's now with Uh, it

31:48

was funny. I asked Troy im I was doing a

31:50

podcast doing some hit on Instagram

31:52

and and I was asking, so, what would

31:54

be the difference between now and you

31:56

know, when you played in the quarterback now

31:59

for the Cowboys, because I probably

32:01

have about five million more followers on Instagram.

32:04

So the social media component

32:07

has really changed things. Because it's

32:09

a brand. I think that that really it's

32:12

kind of a slippery slope for the brand,

32:14

especially the Dallas because I think that some guys

32:16

just get all caught up in that really

32:20

didn't cut their teeth or do anything to

32:22

haven't won anything in the last thirty

32:25

years, and so it's a representation

32:27

of what this brand brings you as a player, and I

32:30

think sometimes that kind of gets lost in all the

32:32

most important thing is like you go out there and you're supposed

32:35

to win, and this is a franchise

32:37

that's one in the past,

32:41

so it's your job to get us relevant. And

32:43

I think sometimes it gets lost with just hey,

32:46

I'm a Dallas Cowboy, I'm America's team.

32:49

Forty million people watch this last week, They're

32:51

going to see me and then I'm gonna And I think sometimes

32:55

maybe for some guys and it gets

32:57

they get caught up in that. I think that that's kind

33:00

of something we're seeing with this team because

33:05

whenever you show up and you play in

33:07

a playoff game like they did

33:09

against Green Bay and you play awful

33:11

on offense, on defense, every aspect,

33:14

coaching was horrific and was terrible,

33:17

and then you expect people

33:19

to listen to what you have to

33:21

say without any criticism.

33:24

And to me, you can't have it both

33:26

ways.

33:27

Man.

33:27

You got If you want to.

33:28

Be part of this platform and

33:31

you don't want to be criticized your play, or you played

33:34

and you want to be soft, then that's your

33:36

problem. To me,

33:38

I think that that's kind of been a demise, certainly

33:41

for Dallas in the last few years,

33:43

just because of that. Because the brand's gotten so big without

33:46

any without any validation,

33:49

validating hey, we're.

33:50

This good and it and you know this.

33:52

It makes people mad to hear

33:54

America's team and like, hey, you guys haven't done anything

33:57

in years but.

33:59

Jerry's and Mark genius.

34:00

You are who you are.

34:02

You are America to My final

34:04

question is more of a statement. I got

34:06

a text from my father in law, massive

34:08

ou fan. He said to tell you thanks for the goal

34:10

line stand against Texas and Nebraska.

34:13

He really appreciated that.

34:16

What do you remember about

34:18

the goal line stands against Texas

34:20

and Nebraska?

34:23

Well, I remember the Texas game

34:25

and tell you your dad, your dad, right,

34:27

just tell your dad that I'm still my

34:30

butt still heard about that game because we end up losing.

34:32

You know, the goal line stand was amazing and

34:35

that it was nineteen eighty four in

34:37

the Cotton Bowl Ou Texas

34:40

game and we're just balling out

34:42

and during the duration of that game,

34:44

there's so many plays that we recovered

34:47

far more we got takeaways, but we didn't get the

34:49

ball. We just didn't catch any of the breaks

34:51

we should have. Instant replay slammed

34:54

up in the game. Then we had the goal line stand

34:57

and we had to keep them out as miserable as

35:00

and uh, just this kind

35:02

of a cool environment if you're a player, just down

35:04

and dirty. And they had the ball right there

35:06

on the goal line

35:08

right there. I believe it was fourth and or

35:11

it was first in half of half

35:13

a yard to the score, and

35:16

we stuffed them four times, and ultimately

35:18

that's how we ended up winning the game. We're tying

35:20

the game because we we

35:22

ended up taking a safety and then they got the ball

35:24

back and uh, we

35:27

made an interception in the end zone which was

35:29

clearly two yards in bounds

35:31

by Keith Stanberry, and that would have changed

35:33

the like we would have won the game. But

35:36

they were certainly they're very

35:39

fortunate, and they kicked the field goal and

35:41

tied. So you know, that really

35:43

pissed me off, and I was really upset

35:45

about that.

35:47

Uh.

35:47

In the Nebraska game, you

35:50

know, we played Nebraska, It's always there

35:52

was always something that was

35:54

gonna happen big at whoever won that game,

35:56

and we needed to win that game. In Norman, we

35:59

stuffed in the same same uh

36:02

circumstances. It was one of these,

36:04

uh you know, you you can keep them

36:06

mount the in zone or we're not going there one

36:08

spot playing for the national championship, and

36:11

we ended up stuff because you know what, we were used

36:13

to it. You know, it's a thing about it. Tell people

36:15

you get used to doing things and

36:18

you create that confidence that you're do. You

36:20

think yourself can't, you can't accomplish,

36:23

and you do it once

36:25

or twice. You know what, We're gonna get confidence.

36:27

And that's what we did. We played with a lot of confidence,

36:30

and hell, we knew it was a state and

36:32

we ended up went out there and got it done.

36:35

Tony, we really appreciate the time. And

36:38

Eddie appreciates your life. Yeah, thanks, Jim,

36:40

he really appreciate it.

36:42

He appreciates you existing all and yeah,

36:45

everything about you.

36:46

Actually.

36:47

So you guys follow Tony Casias at Tony Casias

36:49

on Instagram. Two time Super

36:51

Bowl champion, and you know, let's

36:54

go. Let's go Chiefs.

36:57

If you guys like, well, I have way, I got

36:59

a bunch of money on the Chiefs.

37:00

I bet a bunch of future.

37:01

I bet a bunch of futures like way

37:03

a long time ago on Kansas City. So we're

37:06

looking at a big payout if they happen to win.

37:08

So let's go Chiefs.

37:10

Yeah, and I support my buddy, So let's go Chiefs.

37:12

Yeah.

37:13

Yeah, let's go cheef.

37:14

Let's go cheese.

37:15

Hey. So what I like is the prop bets.

37:18

What do you think what's the biggest prop bet for you?

37:20

Well, we were gonna we like the over

37:23

under.

37:24

I think it's now it's like twenty one of

37:26

the first touchdown, the jersey the first person

37:29

who scores, And so we were laying out

37:31

obviously Debo, but

37:35

Mahomes.

37:35

But he's not gonna rush.

37:36

He has no rushing touchdowns the whole year,

37:40

So I don't know. To me, it

37:42

feels like I'm gonna bet the over

37:44

on that and hope it's like a Kelsey.

37:46

But McCaffrey Brandon Ayuk is a low number

37:49

two.

37:49

But like McCaffrey Kelsey, you

37:52

know, I think those guys are who I would bet on scoring.

37:54

That's that's our favorite one.

37:56

Man.

37:57

I thought you were gonna do it over and under. How many

37:59

times are gonna shaw Taylor's You.

38:01

Know, I've learned not to really talk about that. You

38:03

know, I feel that the the power

38:06

of the Swifties when

38:08

I am.

38:08

Not I'm sorry, I just had I had

38:11

to throw that out hey.

38:12

And I'm glad you did. But swift you

38:14

heard it. It wasn't me.

38:15

Swifties and whatever number that is, it's going

38:17

to be over probably unless

38:20

she hides.

38:21

Yeah. I love yeah, I love I love

38:23

the prop bets.

38:25

We did a Super Bowl party before the's

38:27

like twenty five questions and you know how long

38:29

the national anthem is? How you know who they which

38:31

coach are going to show first? And you know

38:33

which just this different

38:35

thing is pretty cool to the bet prop bets.

38:37

But man, I really appreciate you guys

38:40

having me on here. This is true and honor. I appreciate

38:43

love your show, my

38:45

boy man. Thanks for the thanks

38:48

for the Champ comments that that

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that made by day.

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You got it, Champ anytime, all

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right, Tony, see you letter buddy, Peace out.

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resources. Here's

40:03

our talk now with witch Toss State head coach

40:05

Paul Mills from our show Too Much Access.

40:08

Coach Mills was an assistant at Baylor for fourteen

40:10

seasons before going to Oral Roberts and now witch

40:12

Toll State. He talked about his inability

40:14

to sit during games because of an old injury, and

40:16

we really liked him.

40:17

Good dude, here is coach Mills.

40:20

Coach, thanks for having us. We noticed

40:22

there's a game on now when we're here.

40:25

What's like ten am?

40:25

Yes?

40:26

Early, this game can't be live because you're not there.

40:28

So do you ever choose to show bad

40:30

games? Or is it only wins on

40:32

the screen in the locker room one?

40:34

I have no idea what game it is, So I'm

40:36

not responsible for that. But there's no

40:38

reason in the world to relive bad games.

40:41

You know, you're probably trying to relive good experiences.

40:44

So I can promise you I've

40:46

been married for twenty six years. If my

40:48

wife ever asked me to watch our wedding video

40:51

it actually went well. If

40:53

it had gone sideways, we wouldn't want to relive

40:55

that. So if a game's on, it's probably

40:58

one we won. Okay, so it's Saint Louis we

41:00

win, Yeah, and we win

41:02

this for sure? Yeah, yeah, Yeah, that's good.

41:04

Do you ever see yourself in even

41:06

a game you win and you're kind of maybe, man, I wish

41:08

I would have reacted that way, Like I'm kind of embarrassed by because

41:10

I do it all the time. I always embarrassing my own

41:12

actions. You ever see you react to something

41:14

and you think, maybe maybe that's a little too much?

41:16

Yes, definitely.

41:17

I think any of us, as we're doing anything,

41:20

we're like, I could have handled that better.

41:22

And you know, it's just an issue of growth, right.

41:24

I think people who don't ever want to grow, they

41:27

think they're always perfect. But the people

41:29

who can kind of look introspectively and say,

41:31

man, I could have tightened this up, I could have responded

41:34

better. I find myself sometimes

41:36

doing that with my own children, like we got

41:38

in ninety two on the history

41:40

test instead of a ninety five

41:44

and not really, but you

41:46

kind of do that with your players, and you learn

41:49

how to handle things better.

41:51

Being a parent and being a coach similarities

41:54

there, same thing.

41:56

A lot of encouragement.

41:57

You recognize when they're down, and

42:00

you recognize when they need to be encouraged.

42:03

You recognize when things aren't going.

42:04

Well and you're asking them why.

42:07

And the reality is, I'm

42:10

probably with these guys

42:12

more than I am some days with my own family.

42:15

I mean, I'm around these guys four hours

42:17

every day, six days a week,

42:19

and then if you're traveling and playing games, you're

42:21

probably with them about ten twelve hours

42:24

a day. So you're around these guys quite

42:26

a bit, and you kind of recognize

42:28

what works. Some guys are encouragement guys

42:30

and you got to tell them how good they're doing. Other

42:33

guys are challenge guys. I have little

42:35

Man syndrome, and so the

42:37

more you challenge me, the more

42:39

I would kind of all right, I'll prove you wrong.

42:41

And so you kind of do you have to know all the different

42:44

personalities in the room and how to handle

42:46

it.

42:46

But very similar. I'm a better coach

42:48

because I'm a parent.

42:50

Yeah.

42:50

My next question was about leadership, and you talked about a

42:52

little bit there because it's on a one size fits

42:54

all with different personalities, even

42:57

with me and my role, and I have a big

42:59

staff, and I have to handle everybody

43:01

a little differently based on the

43:04

performance I can get from them on how they like to

43:06

be communicated with where some players like

43:08

to have it told and something I just like to have dance

43:10

around and like to be soft with them. How do you how long

43:12

is the kind of figure out someone's communication

43:14

style and method?

43:16

Yeah, it takes a while, you know, you have

43:18

to spend a lot of time with them. We do a thing called

43:20

Mills Mills in my L L S M

43:23

E A L S H Mills

43:26

Mills. Yeah, and so so we eat

43:28

every Sunday night.

43:29

And oh that's what I thought.

43:30

It was.

43:33

Whole mill. Let's take me a ls How many

43:36

triangles in this triangle?

43:37

I'm like, all right, let's go.

43:38

Being from Houston, my pronunciation

43:40

isn't great.

43:41

So you kind of got from Arkansas, and

43:44

so you know, spending a lot of

43:46

time in that fellowship where they get to know each

43:49

other, We get to know them. Uh,

43:51

we quite a bit obviously on the road

43:53

together. So being in those situations

43:56

to where you know, but I think you can be demanding

43:58

without being demeaning. You can

44:01

say, hey, here's the standard. How

44:03

do we rise up to it. We're

44:05

not going to lower the standard. This is the

44:07

standard. How can I help you reach

44:09

that standard? How can we make sure

44:11

that you have the resources and the people necessary

44:14

in order to get to where you need to go. I

44:17

can recall one day somebody in

44:19

the office said, man, can I get you know what I

44:21

need to help me? I need a paper cutter. It's

44:23

say, all right, next

44:26

morning, try to stop by target and

44:28

you hey, here's a bow with a paper cutter

44:30

on it.

44:31

That's going to help you. I don't know how it's going to.

44:33

Help you, but if that's going to help us be more

44:35

efficient, those are the things you want

44:37

to do. And so I think you're just constantly

44:39

this is the standard, this is what needs to

44:42

get done.

44:43

We're not going to lower it.

44:45

We can be demanding without being demeaning,

44:47

but you need to tell us what

44:50

you want out of this so that

44:52

we can help you, provide the resources,

44:54

provide the people in order to get

44:57

to wherever it is we're.

44:57

Trying to go.

44:58

Just so you know, coach, so a coach, I coach my

45:01

son's ten year old basketball team.

45:03

To say so.

45:04

But after a game, coach, I'm

45:07

exhausted. Yeah, Like sometimes

45:09

it's Saturday morning, eleven o'clock game.

45:11

Afterwards, I'm like, I need a beer, Like I'm

45:14

so tired from just screaming and

45:16

stressing and yelling.

45:17

Are you exhausted after a game depends.

45:20

On the game, but you're definitely pretty

45:23

fatigued. There's just so much

45:25

prep work. So we'll give a

45:27

scouting report to our players, and

45:30

it'll be about one hundred and twenty hours committed

45:33

to that specific scouting report. And

45:35

you have to keep it really, really simple. So all

45:37

the preparation and the work that goes

45:40

into presenting that information

45:42

to your players to help them on the court, that

45:45

takes a lot. The practices leading

45:47

up to it take a lot. The game takes

45:49

a lot. That's probably the most. But

45:52

I have so much adrenaline flowing in me

45:54

after the game, whether we win

45:56

or lose. If you win, you're kind

45:58

of like, all right, if we lose, You're

46:01

like, what went wrong? And

46:03

I'm just so anxious to jump into the film

46:06

usually takes me about eight hours after

46:09

a game. So let's say a game seven

46:11

o'clock. I get home ten thirty

46:13

eleven. I'm usually pulling

46:15

all nighters. I usually go to about seven

46:18

am, breaking down the game

46:20

and figuring everything out. If we win

46:22

by a lot, sometimes I'll cut it down by like after

46:24

two or three and say, I'm gonna get back to this in the morning.

46:27

But what happens in conference is you only

46:29

get one day off sometimes between games.

46:32

I don't know how football coaches do it, because if

46:34

you lose, I couldn't wait another week.

46:37

So I do like basketball, it's like, all right, forty

46:39

eight hours, we'll get another chance. But

46:42

I find the adrenaline. I am tired,

46:44

but it's like I gotta fight through this because we

46:47

got another team to prepare for in forty

46:49

eight hours.

46:50

Has it ever been so bad that you buried the tape and don't

46:52

watch it?

46:52

Like the game was so bad?

46:53

Done, don't

46:57

I can't ever recall that.

47:00

Baylor for fourteen years prior to going

47:03

to Oarl Roberts and We

47:05

lost a lot of games by fifty my

47:08

first four years, you know, going against Kevin

47:11

Durant and Blake Griffin and really

47:13

good players in the Big Twelve. And so there were days

47:16

there that we

47:18

forgot about the tape and just kind of moved

47:20

on. But it's different now as a head

47:22

coach because you feel that these

47:25

are the it's on us

47:27

and the staff to tighten these areas up, and

47:30

so I haven't. I don't believe as a head

47:32

coach.

47:33

Has it ever really been your fault, because coach

47:35

will be like that one's on me, but I always feel like they're just taking

47:37

the bullet.

47:37

No, it's been my fault. So I'll tell

47:39

you this.

47:40

When we played in the Sweet sixteen game in twenty

47:42

twenty one, when I was at Oarl Roberts,

47:44

we lost by two points to

47:47

tell Arkansas, Yeah, Arkansas's.

47:49

Come on, man, you know what Paul Mills got.

47:51

Paul Mills got a technical that allowed

47:54

Arkansas to get too free.

47:56

Throughout love you remember that, I love you? Oh yeah, And

47:58

in my mind it's man,

48:01

I could have handled that better.

48:03

And you just if you ever coach a Sweet sixteen

48:05

game and it doesn't go your

48:07

way, lose by fifty instead

48:10

of losing by two. Losing by two keeps you up

48:12

at nights. But I do, yeah, I

48:14

totally you got to own it. That's

48:17

on you, and I could have done better.

48:19

Although we did go on a fifteen to four run

48:22

right after the technical and kind of

48:25

I just like that, and so so any

48:27

of that you do kind of have to think through

48:29

it. But yeah, I definitely think

48:32

from my perspective, it's

48:34

on me.

48:35

What about like, schematically, have you ever just planned wrong?

48:38

Oh my goodness, yes, really yeah.

48:41

And it's easy to say all your players

48:43

they didn't get it done. That's just easy

48:46

to throw your guys under the bus. But no,

48:49

definitely planned wrong. Didn't think

48:51

a guy who, hey, this only makes twenty

48:53

percent of his three point shots. All right, we're

48:55

gonna give him some looks. And what

48:58

he is is he's a confident kid. So

49:00

he sees those first one. You want him

49:02

to make the first one if they're bad shooters, because

49:05

what you know is they'll keep shooting. Like,

49:07

all right, the bad shooter made one, he's

49:10

going to continue to do it. Then he makes

49:12

a second one, you're like ugh, And

49:14

the third one you're like, holy Cole

49:16

you can do now, he's just feeling it. That match

49:18

is lit and you can't put it out.

49:21

And I've done that before to where you

49:25

just made a mistake on some personnel calls

49:27

alle oops.

49:28

We love watching him as a fan, but as

49:31

a coach, do you like do you like alle oops?

49:33

Or yeah, like you know, let's just

49:35

do the safe playing.

49:37

No.

49:37

So the best shot in basketball is a dunker layup.

49:40

So we're trying to get as many of those as

49:42

possible. And if you can

49:45

have guys who can go up and fetch that

49:47

stuff, it's pretty one.

49:49

It's it's an electric play. But to be honest

49:51

with you, it's a good play. Like if you could

49:53

just grab a ball and you're above the rim

49:55

and you just tip it down, that's a

49:58

pretty high, highly official shot,

50:00

high percentage shots. So we have guys

50:03

who can go get those, and we encourage

50:05

you. We have a number of them in our in our playbook

50:08

and really try to Now the

50:10

key is not necessarily you do have to have somebody

50:13

with the athletic ability, but you have to have a passer.

50:16

You have to have a guy who can actually put it there.

50:19

But no, we we I'm a big fan.

50:21

How often do you practice allioops?

50:23

Is that kind of one part of one of the practices.

50:25

Yeah, I think like they're in't like, hey, this

50:27

is an alley oops. Sell you out here?

50:29

Yeah.

50:30

Yeah, we don't do any of that.

50:31

But during the normal flow of

50:34

just man, he here goes, here goes player

50:37

development, and here are guards

50:39

practicing pick and rolls.

50:41

Just hey, what are the reads? Where do you throw

50:43

it? When do I throw it? What's the timing?

50:46

All of that.

50:47

It's pretty organic, and then there are some some

50:49

things that are structured in order to get the same

50:51

opportunity.

50:52

You talk about hyh percented shots. There's a coach like Nato.

50:54

It's at Alabama and notoriously they

50:56

talk about how he only wants shots near the basket

50:59

or behind a three point line, no real

51:01

mid range. What is your philosophy on the mid range?

51:04

Well, I was just we were talking this morning as

51:06

a staff.

51:07

If you look at twenty thirteen, there's only two players

51:09

who have better than a fifty percent

51:11

range from long twos. Katie's

51:14

one of them. Can you guess the other? Lebron

51:18

No, No, Lebron, Chris Paul, Chris

51:21

Paul. So there are two hundred and thirty three didn't go out

51:23

of the time to guess, Coach.

51:26

I silent you.

51:27

Guys, I would have got that right, and coach you put

51:29

us on the spot.

51:30

Yeah, I'm sorry.

51:30

I let you guys up and I saw the easy trivia

51:33

question that one, and I would have flunked,

51:36

telling y'all like twenty eight days

51:38

in a month.

51:40

But going back to there's.

51:42

Only two and so what you

51:45

you would what you try to find out is

51:48

what what are ways that are quality

51:50

mid range shot? Now I'm not anti mid

51:52

range whereas some coaches

51:54

are.

51:55

I'm not.

51:55

I think there's value in it in

51:58

certain responsibilities what we would call

52:00

pushdowns, being able to get close

52:02

to the guards, basically

52:05

posting people up through the dribble,

52:07

and I think those are highly percentage shots.

52:10

I think if you can get ball screen twos,

52:13

man, I can get to the elbow, which is what Chris Paul

52:15

does a lot.

52:16

If you have guys.

52:17

But we show our guys their numbers and

52:19

we ask them to be if you take these twos,

52:21

you need to be able to make over fifty percent. So

52:24

we show them their numbers pretty much after

52:26

at least every

52:29

day, if not every other day, so

52:31

they're well aware of it and if it's

52:33

efficient, we're going.

52:34

To do it.

52:35

But I'm not anti middlegame.

52:37

We have three final questions for you taking

52:39

over this program. You come

52:41

and is a culture change that you

52:43

have brought in? Is it, you

52:46

know, a culture elevation from what's

52:48

been here? Like when you come into a new program, don't have to

52:50

be here, could be ru wherever. Like what is your mindset

52:52

when you go into a new place? Yeah, it's the people.

52:55

You know, there's nothing magical

52:57

about any specific school. Just because

52:59

you have a certain jersey

53:02

on on the front of it doesn't mean you're going to win.

53:04

The people have to matter. So whatever

53:06

it is that we can do in order to help the people.

53:09

So, you know, when I got to

53:11

hear the guys asked for PlayStations,

53:15

it's like, hey, we don't have PS

53:17

fives And I was like, dundal, you

53:19

know, they had an older refrigerator

53:22

and I just came in and said, man, we need to get a newer

53:24

refrigerator. And so some of it's just like

53:26

how do we help the players. And so in my

53:28

mind, let's get the right people. Let's

53:31

get the right people in here, and then how

53:34

do we help them? Like, what are the things that we can

53:36

do to help them? I mean, again, everybody

53:38

talks about well, you need to have excellence in

53:40

all things.

53:41

I just think you're not going to have the best

53:43

of everything, but you do need to take

53:46

excellent care of what you are stewarded

53:48

with. And for us, that's the people.

53:50

We want to take excellent care of them and

53:53

make sure we have the right guys in the locker room.

53:56

From a character standpoint, and that's

53:59

kind of how you make strides.

54:01

Coach.

54:01

We were talking about fishing a second ago before we started

54:03

here. What do you like about fishing? Because

54:05

I was talking to my wife she asked me, and I said, it's

54:08

kind of like the lottery.

54:08

You know, you kind of just go in.

54:10

You don't know you're gonna hit it or not. You don't know if they're gonna

54:12

bite or not. But some days you get a good one.

54:14

Yeah, what do you like? So you're

54:16

familiar with live scope? Ever

54:19

heard this turbine fishing?

54:20

All right?

54:20

So this is a video game, all right?

54:23

So on your boat is a TV

54:25

and you can see them and you can see

54:27

them swimming down there, and you kind

54:29

of know and you're basically going

54:32

up and throwing the minto

54:34

or sounds like cheating. Listen, you

54:37

can't get them to bite. As

54:40

I tell people, it doesn't mean they're gonna bite.

54:42

They may have just had a steak dinner, all right,

54:45

and they had shad all night, and

54:47

all of a sudden, if you just give them

54:49

a snickers, they don't want it. So

54:53

having the things necessary to help them is

54:55

important.

54:57

Can I get a water?

54:58

I'm giving it for those they can't see. I'm going coach the Heimlich

55:00

right now. I'm saving his life. You guys, their

55:03

only listen to the audio this, I got you. There he goes,

55:06

Yep, got him. I just saved his life for everybody

55:08

watching. Oh there you okay, Okay, good Patty.

55:11

I think he's breathing.

55:12

He's breathing.

55:12

Now he's save Okay,

55:14

there is eddie mouth mouth.

55:16

Okay, give him there he go. Coach, open up, all right,

55:18

I'm coming in.

55:19

All right, there he is.

55:20

Now you can't pass. Your life is being saved. Can

55:22

you imagine you're gonna save someone's life in his No?

55:24

No, no, we're good, Please

55:27

not you last question?

55:28

All right?

55:28

Yeah, all good?

55:29

Because I was having some of those peanuts too, and I got a

55:31

little bit of that. I thought I was gonna sue. But if it's happening here, Uh

55:35

So, you don't sit down when

55:37

you coach, or at least I've never seen you sit

55:39

down. I know you had the injury that kept you from, uh continue

55:41

your basketball career? Is that why you don't sit down? Because you're

55:43

back You're vertebrae bad back.

55:45

Like and then all of a sudden, if you just jump

55:48

up at the last second because somebody makes

55:50

a good player a bad play, then I really feel

55:52

it. So it's it's easier for me to stand there.

55:55

There's a coach who I used to spend my summers

55:57

with named Rick Majeris.

56:00

He would stand all the time.

56:01

You would you hang out Rick with Jerris?

56:03

I love rings, Yeah, yeah, And

56:06

when he passed away, he was just

56:08

so supportive of me and helped

56:10

me a ton. But he couldn't sit down because

56:12

of his weight. He was just so big

56:15

and it was hard for him sometimes. But

56:17

for me, Uh I did. I cracked my bottom

56:20

vertebrae on my spine, and if

56:22

I set in bleachers or I sit anywhere too

56:24

long, my back can lock up. And

56:27

so It's just best that it doesn't happen in

56:29

front of ten thousand people, so

56:31

I just stay standing the whole game.

56:33

I should get you like one of those sleep numbers that we have that brings

56:35

your back up. You

56:39

know who had that was Phil Jackson. Phil Jackson

56:41

had one of those bigger chairs than everybody

56:43

that really helped him with his back. So I

56:46

could get one of those where you press a button and then it

56:48

just kind of lifts you.

56:50

Yeah.

56:50

Perfect, and yeah, that would be That would be the

56:52

coach. We really appreciate the time. Good

56:55

luck with the program.

56:56

I know everybody's excited about having you here, and

56:58

by everybody, I mean Eddie and I. We don't to anybody

57:00

else saying bubble, thanks for having.

57:02

Us, Eddie, Bobby, thank you guys for coming. Thank

57:05

you coach.

57:06

All right now, this is us talking with which TOAs state assistant

57:08

coach Quincy ac Quincy played

57:11

four Coach Mills at Baylor eight to twenty

57:13

twelve. When coach Mills was assistant there draft

57:15

in the second round of the twenty twelve NBA by the Raptors,

57:18

and he took us through some drills which you can watch on Too Much

57:20

Access and here he is.

57:22

It's just talking NBA, which is cool with Quincy

57:24

ac coach.

57:25

If you saw us walking in the gym and like we were here to try out, look

57:28

exactly like.

57:29

This first glance.

57:31

Well, if you hear that means you you you want to

57:33

be exactly that's the most important thing. So

57:36

that's half the battle. You want to be here. I can, I can.

57:38

I can work with that.

57:39

Okay, But what's the other half, because you probably think the other

57:41

half.

57:41

Is you know, a lot of hat on. You

57:43

know, I don't know if the shoes are tied all

57:46

the way. I don't know if you guys will be ready, you know.

57:47

Don't my shooes aren't type Yeah it has a strap.

57:50

Yeah, and I don't know.

57:51

These are ones without shoes, Okay, I see,

57:54

yes.

57:54

Okay, yeah, I don't know how

57:56

that will hold up. You know, somebody has some nice.

57:59

Handle, but I don't have any of that nice handle.

58:01

Nothing.

58:01

We'll get you right.

58:02

Whenever when you're in the league, do you get

58:04

free shoes?

58:06

Yes, either you're responsored by a

58:08

company, Nike, Adidas, whatever

58:11

or whatever. The league is sponsored by Nike

58:13

Adidas. They have shoes.

58:15

It's unlimited.

58:16

I mean to a certain extent.

58:18

In two k you can choose who you are.

58:20

Yes, it's not that easy.

58:24

I left coins.

58:25

I mean they give you money, but it's not really I

58:27

guess it's VC virtual currencies. You

58:30

don't really see this.

58:31

All currencies virtual that's in a bank in ant

58:33

number. How has it been adjusting

58:36

to not being that dude? But now you've got

58:38

to be this dude, the coach, that's the leader, not the player.

58:40

Yeah. I mean it's a big ego check. You know, that's a that's

58:43

the main thing. Check your ego at the door every day. Realize

58:46

that these these dudes don't care about what you did in

58:48

the past. You know, they want to know how can you help

58:50

them and if you care enough about them. So

58:53

that's the biggest adjustment. But I mean it

58:55

comes naturally. My mom was a teacher, My grandmother was

58:57

a teacher, So I get a great joy out

58:59

of its.

59:00

Coaching always what you wanted to do after you finish your

59:02

playing career.

59:03

Yes, I think so. My mom she kind of she spotted

59:05

it early. She told me I would be a coach,

59:08

but I think it took a longer time for me to accept

59:10

it. And then once injuries kind of started piling

59:13

up. I had to kind of accept it a little quicker.

59:15

When you're a professional and you are getting injuries, do

59:17

you want to not have people know you have injuries

59:20

so they don't know to move you down the

59:22

bench or off the team.

59:23

You try to like get through it, not even fake it, but just try

59:25

not to make it a thing.

59:26

No, definitely, definitely try to tough through it because

59:28

I mean there are people right behind you waiting to take

59:30

your spot, so you know, you have to have a

59:33

high pain tolerance and try to muscle

59:35

through some stuff.

59:36

All these assistant coaches sitting back there,

59:38

like what's your job during the game. Do you focusing

59:40

on a player or are you looking at something specific?

59:43

Yeah, so I'm kind of looking at it all. You know. The coaches

59:45

on the front of the bench, we're all kind of have an

59:47

eye for everything. If it's your scout, looking

59:49

for play calls, looking for tendencies with the

59:51

players that's on the court, and a lot

59:54

of the guys behind the bench they have different roles.

59:56

You know, they have hustle points after

1:00:00

time out plays, you know, it's a playthrough

1:00:03

of different things.

1:00:03

But I get a lot of hustle points point

1:00:06

I scored that That's what I do. Yeah, like one hundred

1:00:08

hustle points and zero game point.

1:00:09

You can make a living that, Yeah, exactly.

1:00:12

The transition from playing the NBA to coaching at

1:00:14

college like baseline sideline, like there are a lot

1:00:16

of different things that you can and can't do and both. So

1:00:19

was it natural to come back and coach

1:00:21

in college? You have to kind of re learn the rules

1:00:23

because there are some small differences.

1:00:25

Yeah, it's a lot of difference. It's actually there's

1:00:27

not as many sideline out of bounds plays as it

1:00:29

is in the NBA. You know, it's just more

1:00:31

so kind of get the ball in. There's no defensive

1:00:33

three seconds in the NBA, so you

1:00:35

know, you can plan to attack a lot

1:00:38

differently. So you know, it's

1:00:40

an adjustment and I want to come back to kind

1:00:42

of like you said, kind of go back to the grassrooms

1:00:44

to learn the ins and out is what it is. I'm

1:00:47

looking for in players. What do young talent

1:00:49

look like nowadays?

1:00:50

You know?

1:00:51

So, yes, college was a great choice for me.

1:00:53

What do people see in you as an eighteen nineteen

1:00:55

year old player.

1:00:57

I think that passion, they see that I played, They

1:01:00

see that I care. I come out here, I kind of talk

1:01:02

a little trash, you know, they can relate a little bit.

1:01:05

And I've done what they've done or trying

1:01:08

to do, you know what I mean. So I've been through all

1:01:10

the spoils, all of the hard times.

1:01:13

I know what it looks like, and I have a different

1:01:15

perspective. You know, it's a different I from the sideline

1:01:17

as it than it is when you're on the court, you

1:01:20

know, So I can kind of give them that perspective.

1:01:22

What coach saw you at eighteen nineteen

1:01:24

and invested a lot in you to make sure that you be

1:01:26

the guy to go to next level.

1:01:28

Coach Mills the head coach here. You know, he recruited

1:01:30

me at Baylor when I was fifteen, and

1:01:33

you know he was responsible for rebounding

1:01:36

all my bricks that I was shooting up in college

1:01:39

and we just built a great relationship. But he saw it early,

1:01:41

you know, he saw the competitiveness, the passion,

1:01:45

and the skill. He knew that that would come

1:01:47

along, you know with just what hard work. Fifteen yeah,

1:01:49

fifteen years old.

1:01:50

How many star recruit were you?

1:01:52

I think I was a four star recruit.

1:01:53

You don't remember, I know, I'd have a tattooed Onmber.

1:01:57

In the middle star. Yeah, that would be.

1:02:02

I'd be so proud of it.

1:02:03

I mean, I want to dance with the Start, and I got a mirrorball trophy

1:02:05

on my arm somewhere there, so if I had Start,

1:02:07

it'd be like.

1:02:08

All the way up and dancing with the starts.

1:02:10

You believe that, you know, look at me like pure

1:02:12

athlete.

1:02:12

I don't never judge the book by scope.

1:02:14

That's right, you know, but that could also be

1:02:16

interpreted as an insult because that's

1:02:18

how you look at exactly how

1:02:20

you look at it.

1:02:21

Coach, what do you do with a player that's just

1:02:24

kind of you know, not really

1:02:26

just moving as hard as you should

1:02:28

or playing as far as you should, Like, how do you motivate

1:02:31

someone like that?

1:02:32

Yeah, I mean each player is different, you know, different

1:02:34

things kind of gets different players going. Some

1:02:37

guys you can kind of challenge, Some guys you

1:02:39

can kind of call out in front of everybody. Some guys you got

1:02:41

to kind of go up and see what's going on behind

1:02:43

closed doors. It's

1:02:46

different for each guy, and you

1:02:48

know, you have to really be careful, you know, because

1:02:51

if you yell at a guy that doesn't respond

1:02:53

well to that. You know, now he shuts down and now

1:02:55

you can't get anything out of him. So you

1:02:57

know, it is it's a learning curve and

1:02:59

that aspect.

1:03:00

You know, when you're playing in the league, who

1:03:02

was the hardest guy that you had to guard?

1:03:06

I tell people that my toughest

1:03:08

matchup was when I was with the New York

1:03:10

Knicks going against LaMarcus Audridge.

1:03:13

He was in the contract year.

1:03:14

So he's trying real hard.

1:03:15

Yeah, yeah, a lot more to play for, and

1:03:17

I think the Knicks were interested in him, so it

1:03:20

was even more. I think he probably

1:03:22

scored on me seven times in a row, not seven

1:03:24

points, like seven times.

1:03:26

And points point.

1:03:28

These were real baskets, So that

1:03:30

that gave me my toughest matchup. But overall,

1:03:33

you know, guys like lebron kd

1:03:36

you know, they're just so big and so skilled. It's

1:03:39

so hard to guard them.

1:03:40

You play with Carmelo in New York, I did so Carmela

1:03:42

could shoot. Carmelo was big, Like what

1:03:44

what what was he like as a teammate and what

1:03:47

was it? That's a rare combination at least. Then now

1:03:49

guys are getting a lot bigger with a lot more ball skills

1:03:51

at able to shoot a lot better like that. He

1:03:54

I mean, he's kind of a That was

1:03:56

a very rare thing from Carmelo or playing Syracuse.

1:03:58

What was that dude like to play with?

1:04:00

Carmelo Man? I saw him this summer at the Top

1:04:02

one hundred camp. His son was there, so

1:04:04

I got a chance to kind of catch up with him. Great dude,

1:04:06

great teammate. Off the court, just unbelievable

1:04:09

and on the court, I mean, he's just a competitor. You know,

1:04:12

he's gonna he's gonna make you feel him whenever

1:04:14

you guard him. You know, he's always bumping

1:04:16

you, pulling on You've heard all

1:04:18

the recordings of you know, how he talks

1:04:20

when he's getting the rebounds and stuff. So that's

1:04:23

just who he is. You know, He's a competitor and just

1:04:25

a great guy.

1:04:26

Said the Pelicans try to get it back this year after

1:04:29

after he recover. What if they call what if the Pelicans

1:04:32

called you today? Can you give us ten games?

1:04:34

Coach?

1:04:36

What about seventy? Could you give him seventy seventy?

1:04:39

My body would break down for sure.

1:04:41

Two final questions, best shooter

1:04:44

that you've ever played with or against against?

1:04:48

Steph Curry. What's that like?

1:04:49

Is he just is he just non stop?

1:04:52

He doesn't stop moving? It

1:04:55

was I was in the same game.

1:04:56

It was.

1:04:56

I think it was when Clay was kind of going back

1:04:58

and forth with Omary cast but it

1:05:01

was just like mad shot. Clay

1:05:03

made a shot, made shot, Steph made a shot.

1:05:05

It was the about six trips back and forth

1:05:07

with nobody missed. Craziest thing I've

1:05:09

ever been a part of. And

1:05:12

then the best shooter I've played with. I

1:05:17

gotta say Dirk Whiskey, but Steve

1:05:20

Novak is very high on that list. He was

1:05:22

a sniper, you know. I mean it was

1:05:25

no no meat on that or no fat on

1:05:27

that shot. You know, he straight to

1:05:29

it and it's all net.

1:05:31

Yeah, no, no, you're all fat. Yeah

1:05:35

you heard him wrong, you heard them wrong. Last

1:05:37

question, As a coach, what

1:05:40

are you about? Like just just straight

1:05:42

up like, what are you about.

1:05:43

As a coach?

1:05:44

Uh?

1:05:45

I mean competitiveness Like when

1:05:47

I played, I was just competitiveness, competitive.

1:05:49

I just had

1:05:52

a will to win, you know that couldn't

1:05:54

be matched in my opinion, And you

1:05:57

know that's kind of what I try to bring out of these

1:05:59

guys. Is there everybody you know, everybody has a

1:06:01

level of competition and a level if

1:06:03

they don't want to lose or whatever in them,

1:06:05

and it's just on you as a coach to figure

1:06:08

out ways to bring it out of you know. So that's

1:06:10

what I'm about, you know, just toughness, greediness.

1:06:12

I'm perfect for you.

1:06:13

Then there we go.

1:06:14

I will to win.

1:06:15

I never win, but I have a will.

1:06:16

I have a willeck.

1:06:16

You've just been with the wrong right, That's it.

1:06:19

Last step is guard Xavier Bell.

1:06:20

Bell spent his first two years a Drexel before coming

1:06:22

back to Kansas to play for the Shockers.

1:06:25

Super nice guy.

1:06:26

You can keep up with Xavier on Instagram at

1:06:28

one of one XB here he is

1:06:30

Xavier Bell.

1:06:32

How many shots you think you get up a day?

1:06:33

Save?

1:06:34

Uh A good two

1:06:37

point fifty just.

1:06:38

Regardless, Like at least gonna get two fifty in. Yeah,

1:06:40

Eddie was trying to shoot a thousand today.

1:06:42

I got to forty seven.

1:06:43

I got he got tired. Yeah,

1:06:45

So it's any advice you'd like to give him.

1:06:47

I just keep going, man, I think forty seven.

1:06:50

You're in chipping away a little bit. So you got

1:06:52

tiny chips, yeah, eight chips.

1:06:55

Yeah. So we were looking at

1:06:57

some of your numbers this year right now, I averaged about

1:06:59

fifteen game. Do you know where you are point

1:07:01

wise during a game? Are you just playing

1:07:03

or do you catch up in between halves?

1:07:06

They kind of showed on our scoreboard every

1:07:09

game, so I kind of look up from time to time, but for

1:07:11

the most part, I don't really try and get too caught up in that.

1:07:13

I kind of just want to help our team.

1:07:15

If you're feeling it, does the bucket feel

1:07:17

huge?

1:07:17

Does it feel like you can't Are there those moments where you're

1:07:19

like, man, I don't know if I can miss.

1:07:21

Yeah, I feel like the person in front

1:07:23

of me is having a rough night. So I like to

1:07:25

just keep, you know, keep going on that.

1:07:27

So can you ever identify that before game or

1:07:29

is that always in game when you kind of feel like you're in

1:07:31

the zone.

1:07:32

I try and get my mind right before the game, you know, kind

1:07:34

of come in with the right attitudes. You know, it's not really

1:07:36

who I'm going against, is really what I can do, So

1:07:39

just kind of focus on that, just keep going.

1:07:40

For sure, in baseball, if you're throwing really

1:07:43

good before the game and the ballpen, that's kind of a bad

1:07:45

sign. If you're shooting

1:07:48

and you're making everything and shoot around now in

1:07:50

basketball, is that good or does that not matter

1:07:52

at all?

1:07:53

I think it's good.

1:07:54

It kind of puts a little bit more confidence in

1:07:56

my head already than what already's in there. So

1:07:58

I would say a little

1:08:00

bit. Sometimes I don't know. I don't like to make a lot

1:08:02

just so that way I go in them.

1:08:05

Yeah, exactly, exactly, go in the game, start

1:08:07

missing, get in my head a little bit more so the

1:08:09

stuff like that.

1:08:10

It's playing on the road much harder.

1:08:12

Is it just the same game?

1:08:14

I would say, it's kind

1:08:16

of it's more fun just to be able to go

1:08:18

into someone else's environment, try and give

1:08:21

them your best and hopefully shut up their

1:08:23

crowd.

1:08:23

So, yeah, what's the best road wind you've

1:08:25

ever had? I

1:08:30

mean, it just felt good, like that baby has some candy

1:08:32

and you walked in it. Took the spreeze by the other

1:08:34

hand and ate them all.

1:08:36

We played a really good game against Tulane last

1:08:39

year at Tulane, I would say, so that

1:08:41

was probably a good a good road win for us.

1:08:43

I would say, what's the game where you felt collegiately

1:08:45

most in the zone, Even if you hadn't scored the most points,

1:08:47

like you felt even your passes were super crisp.

1:08:50

I would say, so it

1:08:53

wasn't here.

1:08:54

I was at an old school, but I scored

1:08:56

thirty in a game, and I think the flow was just

1:08:59

it was just in nature, just keep getting to the

1:09:01

buckets.

1:09:01

So that was that was probably my best one for sure.

1:09:03

Is it like Harry Potter or you don't see the guy's name, like

1:09:06

what's the guy's name in Harry Potter Baltimore?

1:09:08

Is it like you don't say the school the old school?

1:09:10

Yeah, like Baltimore that don't

1:09:12

exist exactly.

1:09:14

What's it like being an elite athlete in

1:09:16

college? Like my college is like we just

1:09:19

parted.

1:09:20

It's a it's a grind.

1:09:21

I think you gotta wake up every day, you know, with the right attitude,

1:09:24

right mindset, weights, classes,

1:09:26

practice as well, but just making sure you're

1:09:28

putting your best foot forward and whatever it is that you do.

1:09:30

So, But do you get to have fun like you get to enjoy

1:09:32

college?

1:09:33

Yeah? Yeah, of course.

1:09:34

You know there's off days you kind of you're able to unwind

1:09:37

or relax, you know, catch up with old friends, stuff

1:09:39

like that family that's closed by I'm from here,

1:09:41

so my family's close. But I

1:09:43

would say it's nothing, nothing too taxing,

1:09:46

especially since I've been doing the sport my whole life.

1:09:48

Can you hear your family in the stands since

1:09:50

they've always been with you and you know their voices?

1:09:53

Nah, but I know where they are, so I like to

1:09:55

I like to look over at them from time to time, for sure,

1:09:58

my dad especially, but for the

1:10:00

most part, you definitely can't hear.

1:10:01

That's got to be exciting though, for your family to be able to

1:10:03

just drive down the road absolutely like that had

1:10:05

to mean a lot to you to come play here too.

1:10:07

It, did you know?

1:10:08

I went to a school that was about twenty hours

1:10:10

away right out of high school, so it was kind of tough

1:10:12

for them to get to a bunch of games. But once I

1:10:14

was transferred back and everything, it was it was super cool

1:10:16

just to see them at all the games that they can come to.

1:10:18

Yeah Baltimore you oh right, yeah to

1:10:20

Baltimore. Yeah yea yeah, yeah yeah right.

1:10:25

Like you talk about your dad, like, is

1:10:27

it hard to tell

1:10:29

your dad like that, I'm at another level now,

1:10:31

Like I got coaches at Oh you

1:10:33

know what I.

1:10:34

Mean with me is that we got

1:10:36

coached.

1:10:37

That's funny you said that, because when I first transferred

1:10:39

back last year, me and my dad kind of got

1:10:41

into it early because he was

1:10:44

just so big.

1:10:44

On getting in the gym with me doing

1:10:47

this, doing that. I'm like, well, I have coaches now who

1:10:49

do that for me.

1:10:49

And he's like, well, you know, you can

1:10:52

never get away from the basics, and I'm like, I understand

1:10:54

that, but it's just a different level that you

1:10:56

got to kind of do it at now. So it was

1:10:59

tough at first, but I think he's got

1:11:01

acquainted to it.

1:11:02

Just like I have.

1:11:03

So if you wanted to shoot around here,

1:11:05

could you come in at any time and shoot in the gym?

1:11:07

Yeah. So, and the coach staff we have now

1:11:09

and everything too.

1:11:10

They have a lot of gas on staff who rebound

1:11:12

for us, you know, get in the gym whenever we're available and

1:11:14

all that. So I like to come in in the morning before

1:11:16

class just to get it out the way and then

1:11:18

maybe shoot after practice and everything.

1:11:20

So somebody to rebound for you, that'll be awesome. Yeah,

1:11:22

they've worked a lot harder for us than him.

1:11:24

That'd be chasing.

1:11:25

We too, We want to chasing.

1:11:28

Yeah, what would your teammates say

1:11:31

about you. If we asked him and you weren't around, and we

1:11:33

said, you know, what's daber all about?

1:11:34

What would they say about you?

1:11:36

Just the right things.

1:11:37

I would just say, you know, trying to be the best leader

1:11:39

I can. Obviously I'm not a leader in everyone's

1:11:41

eyes, but I just try and do the right thing that

1:11:43

I know is right for my team and for everybody

1:11:45

around me as well.

1:11:46

All right, last three questions. Do

1:11:48

you ever play yourself into shape?

1:11:50

Is that a thing? Or do you get in shape and you play yourself

1:11:52

in a better shape?

1:11:54

I would say you play yourself in a better shape,

1:11:56

you know.

1:11:56

I think coaches do a really good job off season,

1:11:58

you know, kind of repairing you for those type

1:12:00

of runs, those type of different environments. But I don't think it's

1:12:03

up until you get that first win going

1:12:05

up against someone who's also been preparing at

1:12:07

that same level as you, that you're like, okay, this

1:12:09

is what I need to pick it up to now. So then day in and day

1:12:12

out, that's where you're just trying to get better and better

1:12:14

at you get a two K. No,

1:12:16

I don't play, nah I

1:12:19

have I haven't bought the new two K I know I'm gonna

1:12:21

get crap for that time.

1:12:23

Yeah, it's the same though. It's

1:12:26

like every year is the same.

1:12:27

I've heard twenty four is the best one yet, but I

1:12:29

hear that every single time a new two K comes

1:12:31

out.

1:12:31

Okay, but you got court knowledge, you got

1:12:34

you know what you're doing, so when you play the game, you just dominate.

1:12:38

My friends would tell you otherwise, but I'm gonna tell

1:12:40

you yeah.

1:12:41

Yeah, mid

1:12:43

range. How you feel about midrange?

1:12:45

I like it.

1:12:45

I don't take a lot of them. I shoot a lot of floaters

1:12:48

more than just pull up mid ranges. But I

1:12:50

actually like that part of the game. I think it's a lost

1:12:52

art, but it's really good. It's appealing

1:12:54

to me. I would say, you ever don't have

1:12:57

I ever done?

1:12:58

Do you ever?

1:12:58

Don't?

1:13:00

Not since the season started, But I've dunked this year?

1:13:02

Yeah?

1:13:03

Yeah, only breakaway

1:13:05

or you ever put it on somebody?

1:13:06

It was on somebody?

1:13:07

This find that clip?

1:13:09

Hard?

1:13:09

Is it to not hang on the rim like when it's a good

1:13:11

dug?

1:13:14

Yeah, it's I would say, it's all about

1:13:16

you've never dunk in your life?

1:13:17

How do you know that's right?

1:13:19

You step on the back, I

1:13:21

would say, it's all about momentum.

1:13:23

So like two hands, it's

1:13:25

probably harder not to hang on the rim, but one hand,

1:13:27

I think it's all about just getting off the rim and then

1:13:30

letting the dude know that you just dunked on them and everything.

1:13:32

How would you let him know without the rest knowing? You

1:13:34

let him know, because if you let him know, if

1:13:37

you stand over them like I do something.

1:13:39

Yeah, yeah,

1:13:42

yeah, I would say its

1:13:46

word choice is what I would say. Word choice.

1:13:48

So I don't like to you know, I'm not gonna say

1:13:50

what I would say on camera. Uh the

1:13:52

clip that they got me this year, they

1:13:54

got what I said on camera.

1:13:56

But okay, we'll say words and then

1:13:58

you tell us if it's the word.

1:14:00

I'll go first. You're satisfactory, good dude?

1:14:03

Was that it? Yeah?

1:14:03

Okay that I thought that was I Yeah,

1:14:06

that was good.

1:14:07

We appreciate you, appreciate you have a great season. I

1:14:09

hope you're healthy, and uh, this is this is for

1:14:11

Xavier right here. I

1:14:16

would have been awesome.

1:14:17

All right, all

1:14:23

right, that's it the final whistles. I

1:14:25

got football cards here to give away just for that.

1:14:27

Okay, are we gonna do that?

1:14:29

Ed?

1:14:29

Do you get a Malik Willis. Yeah, Titans,

1:14:31

I'll take it.

1:14:32

I like it liberty, dude.

1:14:35

Read You get an Amari Cooper cool?

1:14:37

That is why did you give him the Amari one?

1:14:41

Hit him drawn Eddie,

1:14:43

you get Kevin You get a Denzel Mims.

1:14:46

Okay, you know what your team plays for? Uh,

1:14:52

you don't about it? Jacks Jaguars.

1:14:54

Oh, I would not have guessed that.

1:14:56

Mike.

1:14:56

You get a Kyler Murray.

1:14:57

I'll take it.

1:15:00

A good one.

1:15:01

Uh, it's a Tayshaun Gibson that's

1:15:04

reads read on and

1:15:07

then I have this.

1:15:08

I'm gonna keep this. NBA

1:15:11

Hoops Rookie Special Asar

1:15:14

Thompson.

1:15:16

That's worth anything like oh, I played for the Pistons.

1:15:18

Now he does. He was drafted first round. Okay,

1:15:22

it's rookie special Thompson.

1:15:24

You saw that from over there.

1:15:25

Yeah, dude, I got camera no no, no, my

1:15:28

eyes. I got Lacy. It's

1:15:30

a Panini ten Bucks. This

1:15:32

one goes to do

1:15:36

you want to mic?

1:15:37

What the your daddy?

1:15:38

Okay, guys,

1:15:41

it's gonna go straight to my kids.

1:15:42

Don't act and have you got you can do whatever you want all

1:15:44

these I don't even care you open a new pack.

1:15:46

I got a new pack. Here we're gonna open this

1:15:49

first one is a Brett fav rookie card. You

1:15:51

gotta get this to read. Yeah, Brett

1:15:54

Favara fa Okay,

1:15:56

here we go. We got a Matthew Barry

1:15:58

draft card.

1:15:59

Is cary interesting?

1:16:02

We got a first overall nineteen eighty five Bruce

1:16:05

Smith, whoa man

1:16:07

the bills. We got an all American Caleb Williams

1:16:10

draft card.

1:16:11

That's gonna be something.

1:16:12

We got a draft card, uh brought

1:16:15

Bowers? Did this needna be worth a nickel or

1:16:17

a thousand dollars?

1:16:17

I don't know. Mike could have lied to me just to get the card.

1:16:20

And then a Bijhon Robinson. They

1:16:23

can't put the long horn on there. They wiped the long corn off, but touchdown

1:16:26

King's card.

1:16:26

They didn't pay for the licensing. I guess not.

1:16:28

Hey you been there?

1:16:29

Yeah, sure, you know what that's like.

1:16:31

Hey, what's the deal?

1:16:32

Still waiting, but we're making

1:16:34

progress. We're moving along, waiting

1:16:37

and waiting, and.

1:16:38

We're waking progress and waiting and waiting.

1:16:40

Okay, Yeah, last I heard is

1:16:43

double checking again.

1:16:43

He just sent me something if you want to use this during the episode. He sent to me

1:16:46

right now, I just saw it. I just like he literally

1:16:48

sent some material right now as we're ending it.

1:16:50

What was it?

1:16:50

This will be Super Bowl fifty eight. If you had five and eight together,

1:16:52

you get thirteen, Taylor Swift, San FRANSCOO.

1:16:54

Forty nine ers are playing in the game? Four

1:16:57

nine at it together?

1:16:57

Or thirteen Taylor Swift read?

1:17:00

Are you Taylor conspiracy person?

1:17:02

No?

1:17:02

I just saw this.

1:17:02

I was like, forty nine Ers the one seed in the NFC, while

1:17:05

the Chiefs are the three seed in the AFC. Thirteen they're

1:17:07

just they're cherry picking things equal thirteen, They're not every

1:17:09

number from everything. Taylor Swift,

1:17:12

to schedule, took a plane from a concert in Tokyo to Las

1:17:14

Vegas. The flat time from Tokyo to Las Vegas

1:17:16

is roughly thirteen thirteen hours.

1:17:18

Roughly.

1:17:19

I guess if Swift does indeed make it a game, this will

1:17:21

be her thirteen appearance at a Kan City Chiefs game this season.

1:17:24

Come on, to date, the Super Bowl

1:17:26

February eleventh, twenty twenty four. Two

1:17:28

and eleven added together is thirteen.

1:17:30

Wow.

1:17:31

Wait what this is crazy?

1:17:33

Wait?

1:17:33

The date of the Super Bowl is February. Oh,

1:17:35

gat got him?

1:17:36

If you subtract thirteen from one hundred, you get eighty seven,

1:17:38

which is a Jersey number of Swiss

1:17:41

boyfriend.

1:17:41

That's true, so stupid.

1:17:43

No, no, that's so bad. I did want to use in the episode.

1:17:45

Thank you buddy. Yeah, man, thank you.

1:17:46

You get a false star that's a five yard

1:17:48

penalty interview, and.

1:17:49

Then and you get eight.

1:17:53

After a touchdown.

1:17:54

Then yeah, was thirteen and

1:17:56

we talked about Dan Marino earlier who thirteen?

1:18:00

Yeah, all right, woown.

1:18:02

Possibly be our final episode. Thank you guys for

1:18:05

listening.

1:18:05

Hey, I love you guys.

1:18:06

Thank you.

1:18:07

If this is our last.

1:18:08

I've not heard from Kevin during this, but Eddie,

1:18:11

you gotta give us one good blow before we end.

1:18:12

Oh, I'll give you my best blow here is mister go

1:18:15

ahead.

1:18:17

Wow, nice job, dude.

1:18:18

That good That camera crews like what

1:18:20

just happened in there.

1:18:22

That's awesome.

1:18:23

All right, it's been a real treat. Thank you guys.

1:18:25

Maybe we'll see you next week. We probably won't, We don't know.

1:18:28

I love you, guys.

1:18:29

It's like when a show goes to after they finish their season

1:18:31

and they wait to be picked up or not, and they just wait wait

1:18:34

by their phones.

1:18:35

Yeah, we'll let you guys know already at twenty

1:18:37

five whistles. That's our deal there. We'll see you

1:18:39

guys soon or we won't.

1:18:40

Bye, everybody,