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The world is full
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of stories. Join Cat
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and Jethro Gilligan Toth
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for The Strange, The
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Bazaar, The Unexpected, as
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they lift the lid
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and cautiously peer inside
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the box of oddities.
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In a surprise move last
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night, Stain did a concert
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in Quenka Ecuador. And we
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were curious as to what
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led to that, because Quenka,
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yes, a city, but not
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a large city. No. And our
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stadium is, I mean, okay. It
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was cast out of concrete,
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which appears to have come
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from the Soviet era. We
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have some questions, but it
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was great. And it was only
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$30. Which, which was kind of
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nice. But he was amazing.
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He came out. He had
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great energy. His voice was
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just perfect. You know, sometimes
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you go and you see
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some artists that you knew
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and loved when you were
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younger. And of course, age
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will catch up with all
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of us, and maybe they're
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not quite as versatile. in
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their vocal performance, but sting
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sounded like he did 25,
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30 years ago. Absolutely incredible.
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I've felt, all this morning,
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I've been humming and just
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walking on air, or walking
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on the moon, I should
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say. Yeah, you should. Security
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was interesting there. We were
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afraid they were going to
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take our umbrella because, you
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know, it was outside in
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the stadium and rain was...
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predicted, but no, no, no,
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I had my cell phone
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and the little container that
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I keep my credit cards
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in and stuff in my
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pockets and I had keys
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and I, you know, and
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they just kind of like
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patted my shoulders and said,
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okay. I was expecting a
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cavity search. I had a
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taser on me and no
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problems at all. I loved
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that. It was great. It's
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one of the first times
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that you've had a taser
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on you trying to get
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through security that it made
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no difference whatsoever. It's been
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a problem at all here
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in Quenca. Thank you very
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much. curator at the box
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of oddities.com that is our
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email we get so many
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emails please know that we
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do read them all even
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though we can't respond to
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them all that's why we
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started the inbox of oddities
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which happens every well almost
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every Friday and we try
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to share with you some
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of the most interesting and
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humorous emails that we get,
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and we get plenty. This
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one really caught my eye.
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It came from Adam. Hey
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guys, and more specifically, JG.
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I heard you mention several
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times how you're interested in
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military history. Well, this topic
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may tie in like a
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crossover of military history and
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paranormal. Have you ever heard
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of Radio Ghost transmissions? Having
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been in the Marines, I've
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heard several of my friends
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that served in the communications
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field that sometimes radio operators
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would receive distress calls of
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what sounds like a massive
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firefight going on. And upon
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further investigation, us being in
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the Afghanistan area, that transmission
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came from Vietnam. Apparently, it
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would just get sent and
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never received or something like
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that, just bounce around in
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the atmosphere, whatever the hell
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it does, until it randomly
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gets picked up by one
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of our radios. I was
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infantry, not communications. I didn't
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know if you've heard of
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this, or would like to
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do a deep dive on
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it. I've heard of, like,
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QRF, quick reaction forces, getting
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mobilized, only to realize that
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the coordinates given... We're in
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Vietnam somewhere. What? While the
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receiver was 40 years later
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in Afghanistan. Anyway, thought you'd
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find it interesting. Thanks, Adam.
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Okay, Adam? Yes, oh yes,
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that is right in my
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wheelhouse. And I remember hearing
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something about this, but I've
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never done a dive on
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it. Let's go. Did you
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ever hear of ghost transmissions
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from Vietnam? Oh yeah, yeah,
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because I mean as you
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know I love war and
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so I... Sure, and radios,
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so... And I totally understand
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how radios work. Well again...
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None of that's true by
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the way. These are referred
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to as ghost transmissions. They're
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radio signals that are picked
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up long after the original
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broadcast. The ones out of
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Vietnam have been identified as
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either Morse code or voice
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signals, and they were received
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years, sometimes decades after the
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transmissions were first sent. Now,
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there is a logical scientific
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explanation for this. How is
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it possible? It's something called
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radio wave propagation. It turns
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out that radio waves, they
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don't travel in straight lines.
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They can bounce off the
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ionosphere, and that makes, which
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it's like a giant mirror,
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almost. According to a guy
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named Dr. Andrew Latham, he's
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a physicist. that specializes in
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radio wave propagation. He said,
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quote, radio waves can travel
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in strange ways under the
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right conditions. They can be
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reflected off the ionosphere and
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get caught in loops. And
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these signals can travel far
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beyond their intended reach. Wow.
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And time frame causing them
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to be received years later.
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That blows my mind. That's
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so wild. It's like a...
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Well, ghost transmission is a
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great way to describe it.
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It's like hearing from the
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past. Now when you factor
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in also that, and I
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did a little digging into
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this, the technology that was
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used. in the Vietnam era,
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particularly military radios, had extremely
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powerful transmitters and of course
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they were designed to cover
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long distances, but also a
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lot of the fighting took
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place in deep thick jungles,
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so they wanted to make
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sure that their walkies could
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transmit and the radio transmitters
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were strong enough to get
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to them. So of course
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these high-powered signals could easily...
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have made their way into
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the ionosphere and bounced around
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for years. Who knows what's
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up there. It's crazy. It
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reminds me of, you've heard
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stories like this, that, you
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know, we've only been broadcasting
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television signals since like 1939,
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1940. So those really early
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episodes of say Milton Burrell
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or Jack Benny or whoever
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was on at the time,
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are now... 80 light years
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away. That's so wild. Just
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out. somewhere. God, I hope
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that whoever intercepts that doesn't
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think that's what comedy is
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still like. I have this
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image in my mind of
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some extra terrestrial higher intellect
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creature on a distant planet
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watching reruns of the honeymooners
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and going, we gotta kill
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those people. This is not
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good you guys. In the
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vast expanse of radio frequencies,
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it is entirely plausible that
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these signals were simply out
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of sight, but still very
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much alive. And the strange
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thing is, it seems like
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the, this is what really
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blows my mind. It seems
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like the vast majority of
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these ghost transmissions were distress
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calls coming out of Vietnam.
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Horific moments in a very
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bloody war. that are somehow
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stuck in time. Moments that
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seem to live on far
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longer and more powerfully than
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simple day-to-day radio communication. Really?
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Like for real, for real?
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Or like, you might say
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that it... Do you know
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what I mean? Does the
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data show that these really
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are in greater numbers than...
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Well, yes, but I will
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add a caveat to that.
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That's based on the ones
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that have been reported. Okay,
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okay. You know, I'm sure
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there have been others where
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people, it just didn't really
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seem to be of much
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interest and so they just...
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That makes sense. Yeah. But
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one of the most famous
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cases of these mysterious transmissions
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did come from Vietnam. It
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was a case called the
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Ghost Flight Incident Incident. And
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it involves a US pilot
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named Major Jack E. E.
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Arnett. In the early 80s
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amateur radio operators all over
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the US started reporting strange
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Morse code signals that appeared
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to be coming from a
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The signal seemed to be
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originating from the same location
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where a U.S. pilot Major
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Jackie Arnett had gone missing
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in 1968. The signals were
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received at irregular intervals as
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though the transmission was somehow
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caught in a loop. And
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this wasn't just like a
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quirky glitch. It seemed like
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echoes of a tragedy being...
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just broadcasting themselves across the
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void of time and in
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an interview one amateur radio
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operator said I heard it
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myself it was just weird
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like a ghost from the
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past sending out a signal
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for someone to hear it
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felt like the pilot was
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still out there trying to
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get help even though decades
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had passed now there were
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many reported incidents of these
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messages being received by several
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amateur radio enthusiasts. Some of
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them were hurt on a
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very specific frequency, around 5
10:59
megahertz, and they became something
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of a legend within the
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amateur radio community. These signals
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weren't just isolated incidents either.
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Other operators in different parts
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of the world began picking
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up the same type of
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signals. Of course, the most
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unnerving part... The signals came
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through at seemingly random intervals,
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months or even years apart,
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they were identical, and it's
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though the broadcast had been
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trapped in the atmosphere, unable
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to escape the force of
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the Earth's magnetic field. Many
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of these signals contained repetitive
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patterns that seemed urgent in
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nature. Some of the messages
11:38
were described as including the
11:40
following phrases. We'll start with
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this one. This is Jack
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E. Arnett. Come in. Please
11:46
respond. M.I.A. Requesting assistance. Coordinates
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1020. And his plane was
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lost back in 1968. And
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was Jack. lost with it.
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Yeah. Yeah. And so the
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story of Jack E.R. Net
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is probably one of the
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more famous Vietnam ghost transmissions,
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but it certainly isn't the
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only one. So like I
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do when I'm obsessed with
12:09
things, I over-researched this, but
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I've got it down to
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a few more. There was
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an incident... In 1971, when
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a series of strange beeps,
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Morse Code-type messages were received
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by an amateur radio operator
12:23
in California, the messages seemed
12:25
to repeat a certain phrase
12:27
over and over and over
12:29
again, including what sounded like
12:31
a distress call, quote, come
12:33
in, please respond. They could
12:35
not identify the source of
12:37
this transmission, but it was
12:39
on a military frequency. The
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operator. A man named Bill
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Thompson recorded the transmissions. I
12:46
tried to find them. I
12:48
can't find them anywhere. Because
12:50
he submitted them to several
12:52
government agencies and they don't
12:54
know where they are. No
12:56
one could explain the occurrence.
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He said, I kept getting
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the same message over and
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over. It sounded like it
13:04
came from deep within the
13:06
atmosphere. It was like the
13:08
signal was stuck in time
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and I was the only
13:12
one who could hear it
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gave me chills. So that's
13:16
when he sent the recording
13:18
in to the government and
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they never responded and so
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we still don't know what
13:24
that was all about. Interesting.
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Now there was an incident
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called the Lost Navy Signal
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of Denang and it is
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by far one of the
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most mysterious transmissions tied to
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the Vietnam War. In 1968,
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during the height of the
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conflict, I mean, well, it
13:43
was really ramping up at
13:45
this point. A US Navy
13:47
communications officer stationed in Denang
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in South Vietnam sent out
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a distress signal that was
13:53
never received by its intended
13:55
recipient. They sent it out.
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